Deaths of Sid and Nancy Leave Many Unanswered Questions, 40 Years Later
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- In the 1970s, New York City was crumbling, bankrupt and riddled with crime, but it was where the punks felt most at home. They were defined by their disheveled wardrobe and anarchist attitudes. Two well-known punks, one-time Sex Pistols' bassist Sid Vicious and his girlfriend Nancy Spungen, lived in the Chelsea Hotel. When Spungen was found dead of a stab wound in their room, Vicious was charged with her murder, but the case would never get the resolution many had hoped for. #InsideEdition
"Sid is no long vicious, he's dead" is the funniest and also most disrespectful way any death has ever been reported.
I know right
Idk "ike beats Tina to death"
is a good one!
The day Ike Turner died That's what the NY Post headline read
Welcome to planet Earth.
@@numba2bvi HAHA! This is awesome! thanks for sharing! hahaha!
Omg yes
Sid's own mom is the one who introduced him to heroin when he was a teenager and then she is the one who killed him because he was 'depressed' it's not hard to see why he was so messed up.
That she did..was sad to see Lydon break down talking about him
She even bought the dope for him when he o.d.
Amen, you could see the trama on his face. So sad for both of them.
It’s speculation that his mother killed him.
She shot him up at 5 years old. The dope was paid for by the British government. It was cheaper to prescribe and buy addicts heroin then methadone or dolophine as it was still called then. His mother made it deathbed confession to her nurse who was a well-respected woman that she did give him a hot shot so his mother did murdered him!
The knife was wiped clean. Sid didn't seem like he was smart enough to do that.
Gina Valera
excellant point...he was too messed up
I totally agree
Sid couldn't even wipe his own a$$, let alone a knife.
That's exactly what I thought when I saw that.
I used to think that too, until I read into the facts of the case. When Sid woke up, he cleaned the blood off Nancy, THEN went to the methadone clinic before calling the cops. That doesn't sound like the action of an innocent man. We know that he had likely sobered up by the time he woke up, hence he went to the methadone clinic. So why did he clean the blood off and wait so long to call the cops? To get rid of evidence, I presume.
"Sid was a idiot. He looked great though" lmaooo who says that
Alot of people may look great and still be idiots.
Sid was put in the band by Malcolm MacLauren, who owned a clothing store. MacLauren thought Sid looked great in his designs and put him in the band as advertisement. Sid was used-the fact he couldn't play the bass or sing didn't matter, the clothes did. That's not my theory, I read that about Sid years ago.
The guy sounds like an idiot he doesn’t even know how to describe anything everything he says is like a contradiction “ oh yeah New York was beautiful it looks like a huge dumpster fire, Chelsea hotel is like an insane asylum with no security it’s terrible but it’s great”
like wtf
I saw a video about queen and Roger,the drummer said Sid was an idiot too 😂
Its the truest thing said about him
The way the reporter said Sid is no longer vicious he's dead. 😂
Neh-Bih Sangbong ok
@@MsEliteForever yeah 😂
*drops mic*
I remember that. He got a lot of flak for it.
@@pjt3887 oh wow. 😂 It's just something out of the ordinary I've heard when it comes to reporting death on the news. I would not be surprised at all by the backlash he received from that reporting.
“Simon ferocious” is what Freddie Mercury once called him.
Sid didn't like that.
@@samyandkitty8399 according to Wikipedia, his legal name was John Simon Ritchie.
When I went to see Bohemian Rhapsody I was hoping that incident would be in the film.
@@maudemathildeh335 I think the producers of the movie left that part out because they couldn't find an actor to portray Sid Vicious.
@@marvinthemaniac7698 His mother married a man by the surname of Beverly. Sid's birth name was Ritchie. Upon his mothers second marriage he began to use his stepfather's name of Beverly. So, John Simon Ritchie became John Simon Beverly......
Probably what happened in my humble opinion:
1. The stabbing was connected to a robbery in the room while Sid was passed out because people knew they were flush with cash dropping all over the place.
2. Sid's mom administered or helped Sid administer the fatal dose.
3. The real murderer of Nancy has never been caught and may be dead by now.
In the book “Vicious Too Fast to Live” says they were robbed by a dealer who then sold Sid a hot shot. The heroin they found in the room was much more pure than any other on the street.
@@bryanmurphy276... That's the story doing the rounds for about a decade now.
SID and Nancy were high and careless. They left up to $US3, 000 in their room in a brown bag. It is alleged that a petty dealer/gopher new about the cash. No doubt this is the mystery man.
@@FrostedSeagull doesn't everyone know his name tho he's been called out by people that saw him there and knew he was returning that night
True..it's a sad story all round no matter how she was, the poor girl never deserved to die so young in such a way.
Nancy's mother speculated that Nancy may have manipulated Sid into ending her life. According to her mom, Sid was easily manipulated by Nancy and Nancy had dealt with mental health issues (and had fallen through the cracks) her entire life and had been suicidal since she was young. Her mother wrote about Nancy's life and her family's struggle to find help for her in the book "And I Don't Want To Live This Life".
The Chelsea hotel actually changed the numbers of all their rooms as they could no longer handle the stream of visitors wanting to see the place where Sid and Nancy stayed. They considered it a terrible event and wish that fans would leave it alone.
I agree. It was a terrible event..who wants see a room where someone was murdered in ??? People glamourized their life and relationship .In reality it was dark. They lived a drug fueled life style which lead to destruction. Really depressing if you wanna think about it. That energy isn't something to glorify..
I wonder if the Dakota did the same thing after the murder of John Lennon. The Days Inn at Corpus Christi did so after the murder of Selena.
@@SEGASister Yoko still lives in their apartment at the Dakota. John was shot on the steps at one of the entrances on the sidewalk. I’ve been there, there’s a gate and a doorman, nothing to indicate what happened there but everyone knows.
They also changed the room numbers because people kept posing in the spot where Nancy died. There’s an original Chelsea occupant who’s lived their since the 60s and she got real upset with all the people. Since she was there when it happened. Just for more context
So sad to hear anyone say they want to be under the ground. If you're feeling this way I'm praying your life gets better soon.
Yes, every life is valuable
@@matzmieze464ehhhh I wouldn’t say every life but sure
you can never convince me that kid did that. he was obsessed with her.
blessed moma, true he loved her she was his rock.💏💞💋
@@blancamiranda4153 OJ was obsessed with Nicole. Mark Chapman was obsessed with John Lennon. You were saying?
@@greg7656 Nicole was no longer with OJ. Mark Chapman wanted to be John Lennon. Sid was WITH Nancy, she was his girlfriend. There was no unfulfilled desire fuelling the obsession, she was part of his life.
I totally agree 💯% He loved her way 2much..look at him afterwards he was lost and confused..she was his life..may they both rip 2gether now 4ever..
Junkies arguing off his head on drugs he 100% killed her he used to threaten women with knifes before he joined the pistols.
There's a great documentary that covers this called Who Killed Nancy? It goes really in-depth and can be found on RUclips for anyone interested in more of the story.
Megan Cook lovvvve that doco, never seen one about this subject that covers so many parts.
Thank you for the name to the doc. Can't wait to watch it!
Great book also called Vicious too fast to live.
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Megan Cook can you paste the link thanks
I remember when that happened. I was about 13. I remember thinking they seemed so old. Now, I know they were just kids.
so you're in your 50's? you don't look that old in your RUclips profile picture
'Sid is no longer viscious - he's dead' Jeez what kind of news headline is that??!
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@MerksPintSizedPenis someone's having a bad day
I remember Sid walking through Union Square, NYC when i was a kid. My dad was a 60's radical and i had lived on many communes and other strange places, so, I thought that I'd seen it all. but Sid's look at the time was so completely other worldly. It was mind blowing. Frankley, he looked insane in a completely new way. Soon after, I saw, The Great Rock and Roll Swindle at the original Max's Kansas City. And few years later I was a punk myself. LoL
He was a cutie pie
Your so lucky
How could Sid have killed her when he was passed out from Tuinal at the time of her murder?
They need someone to blame...
Welcome to NY
Tuinal?
The transition between consuming and passing out I guess.
sally smith “even though Sid didn’t get to tell his side of the story.”
Well considering he was convicted with no evidence and he couldn’t even tell what happened he had to say something...
Finally a cool interesting vid on inside edition. Badass band 🤟🤘
I dont think Sid Killed Nancy..
me to i think it was a dealer
@@alimarpr1110 Or she killed herself.
I think it's very possible that she stabbed herself. After all she was seriously mentally ill and on top of that did lots of drugs... In her mothers book about her she was clearly suicidal from a very young age.
@@josefinebliss2801 ù
I agree. I think Sid was passed out, someone came looking for drugs or was there delivering drugs, maybe they even tried to "make a pass at her" and when she said no, tiny man got mad, stabbed her, took the cash and never looked back. He knew no one would look too much further than Sid since it was Sid's knife and they were high AF and "druggies" so no one would really care too much. Nah, no way Sid killed her, dude could barely function, and he loved her, in their own weird way, they both loved each other. Just my opinion based on far removed, personal observation of their interviews, of course. A shame that no one back then saw these people worthy of the resources to find answers.
It's amazing how the environment shapes music, whether its the danger of '70s NY punk, the politics of UK punk, or the gloom of '90s Seattle grunge.
Gary Oldman's best movie portrayal ever. He should've received an Oscar.
Speek No Evil He said he regretted doing that movie. Daniel Day Lewis was offered the part, but refused it. I agree Gary was awesome in that role.
Bram Stokers Dracula is my favorite Gary Oldman movie. Or Leon the Professional.
Gary Oldman is a great actor but pulling off the role of a 20 - 21 year old???? nope. bad casting
@@bwah7 I meant when he was younger
huh? I was referring to the original post - the fact that Gary Oldman played Sid Vicious in the move Sid n Nancy - he acted well but was too old for the role i thought
0:08 "she was definitely the Yoko of the 70s"
Sid was a victim of his stage persona. When Nancy was found dead, the public thought, “how could it be that a guy named Sid VICIOUS didn’t do it?” His name and image were enough to condemn him.
VERY good point
It's a tragedy to be lost in pain like this. Thank you for sharing.
Sid Vicious was innocent 💔
Lonely Bubblegum Girl he definitely is.
The way I see their relationship is like this, one is the dynamite, one is the match, separately they’re okay, but together they exploded. I think they both just brought out the worst in each other and egged each other on
They need to re-open this case. It deserves a proper, professional and accurate resolution! They closed it because their only suspect died and they didn't want to bother to find out the truth about a couple of, in their opinion I'm sure, useless junkies. Whether Sid did it or not, the case deserves to be solved!
Why? To satisfy your curiosity? Everyone directly connected to the case is dead. NYC has countless crimes that need solving, with real, living people waiting for resolutions. Feel free to hire a private detective and pay for an investigation with your own money, though, if you really feel strongly about it. Spare us New Yorkers some tax money...
Just the reaction I'd expect from a typical ignorant yank.In the interest of justice alone,no-one whoever or whatever they Jare deserve to be remembered in death as a killer if they were not guilty of the crime.Especially when the person killed was someone close to them.Why should he have to pay for a private investigation to be done when clearly the proper authorities didn't carry out a proper investigation of the scene and circumstances originally.A new investigation should be done without prejudice,to learn what they originally missed!
Thanks Darren Parker, that's exactly how I feel too!
can't forget where I heard, they were partying, shooting up with all kinds of unsavory types, some had the idea to rob them later in the night, which is what happened and Nancy got stabbed for it. When Sid woke up from his Narco sleep, he was classically framed.
The Film, all though a Classic, still glamorised the story, everyone including Johnny Rotten said things were a thousand times more worse when it came to Sid & Nancy's life and relationship. And did you all know that Gary Oldman was wearing Sid's real life famous padlock necklace in the movie?
Did Not know that mate..
Howd they even get his necklace
Crazy
@Philip Holmes Ah ok tnx mate!
Damn.. must been pretty weird wearing that js..
BIlly Ray John wanted to sue but he had the lawsuit with McLaren at the time. I do agree the movie glamorized it A LOT. The end scene especially.
@@goldfishcakes329 I did not know that...thank you Diana..
Real life always is!
I was in New York in the 70's . Thought I'd check out the Chelsea as I heard it was a home of artists , poets . I couldn't believe how EXPENSIVE it was to rent a room . All the bohemians &" punks " staying there were rich . I found the hypocrisy unappealing and avoided CBGB'S and the " scene " from that that on .
Damn that’s a cool story that would change my perspective on the scene as well
Rip Sid Vicious and Nancy we hope they find each others 💕
Because Sid died, an investigation was closed. Which meant there was a murderer walking around scott free.
THIS IS AMAZING!!! Love this content, and style of videos. Keep it up guys, you’re doing great!❤️
Oohh😮 a long upload from Inside Edition! I love it, much better than the one to two minute clips👍
I lived in the Hotel Chelsea for 3 & 1/2 years, and the elevator used to stop on the 1st floor when nobody pressed the button. They tried to fix it, thinking it was a short, but it happened inconsistently. We figured it was Sid or Nancy coming and going.
What is it with 1st floors lol
The lift in my building always stops on the first floor regardless of nobody getting on or off at that floor, we've come to think that we have a resident ghost and say hi and bye to it now lol
So New York looks like the 1970s again.
Kinda, but today's music sucks!!!
If you haven’t already, read the book “I don’t want to live this life” by Nancy’s mother. Excellent, tragic read
I finished it last week, I'm glad I read it.
Such a good book! I've read it twice. The title is "And I Don't Want to Live This Life," by Deborah Spungen. Out of print now, I believe.
I am reading it at the moment. I have got to the part where she is 17 and living in an apartment in New York.
I feel sorry for Sid Vicious. He loved Nancy & that ruined him. He became the victim of the murder of his gf & became upset of the accusation & at last killed himself by drug overdose. There's no denying that Sid was super cute.
@sally smith ok. Guys I don't know anything about him. I only watched a video about him for the first time & have no idea about his behavior or nature. If what you say about his behavior is true, then I don't like him anymore. I don't like a nasty person.
belajadevotchka2 I’m not surprised he had a low IQ and that’s because he was a Taurus
CaramelManiChula not saying he didn't have a low IQ but the irony in your comment. because he was a taurus 😂
😩😩😩😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You don’t have to hate him. 😂😂But the guy was no looker and he looked dirty asf!😷😂
Everyone on here should read the book Nancy's mother wrote!!! She talks about Nancy's mental health problems that started showing when she was just a little girl!!! Explains things about Nancy most dnt know. Sorry cant remember the book name I read it in the early 80s when I was in jr high!!!!! 🤯🎃💀👻🧟♀️☠🤩💚✌❕❕❕
Michelle Kennedy it's called and I dontwant to live this life...
@@ernestinemaloy6752 Thank you!!!
Excellent book! I recommend it to anyone who's interested in Nancy's life
@@floydxpixie thanks, I'm definitely gonna check it out!
Read the book too,
Nancy's mother said right from birth Nancy cried for hours as if in pain or anger. As a toddler and young child everyday was a struggle. Teenage years an absolute nightmare. Nancy leaving home before her 18th birthday was a relief to the entire family.
The book, I felt, was written with understanding and love by Nancy's mother.
check this out. if they described sid as stupid and moronic then why would he wipe down a knife. especially while intoxicated. they also mentioned there being money in the room. did vicious is a celebrity at the time and nancy “wanted him for his money or whatever” so i think someone went for the money and nancy tried to stop it so she got shanked and sid didn’t hear anything
One of the things that we may never know what really happened that night. So many rumours and theories and none of them verified and nearly impossible to do so now.
“This place is like a mental hospital.” LOL
I kinda think their heroin dealer did it. A guy Named "Bowery". They had gotten paid 1500 dollars for playing a gig at Max's Kansas City.
Sid was probably passed out when the stabbing / robbery occurred.
I wish I known more of these two or the band. I found out about them from this anime called, "Nana" which was kinda based off them. I wonder what it was like growing up back then in their times
Tina Bina
It was amazing. It would have been even better with social media though.
ahhhh i love nana and i cant believe it didn’t occur to me that they were the inspiration for it😳
It was absolutely amazing but I must disagree- no, it wouldn't have been better with social media. We had our ways of doing things back then. We liked being an underground subculture and doing things in somewhat subversive ways. We stuck our middle fingers up to anything corporate. We had 'zines with secret mailing lists and pretty much invented indie record labels and that whole independent way of doing things to get your band or art or whatever you did, seen and heard by the people you wanted to be seen and heard by, but definitely NOT the "masses".
Any punk I ever knew would not have wanted anything to do with social media.
Seriously. We were loners and misfits. We liked it that way. Most of us didn't even have TeeVees or telephones! We positively loathed that sort of thing.
Matter of fact- Many old punks have tattoos that proudly spell out the word
"ANTISOCIAL""
You didn't miss much, I'll tell you that.😃
No different from today with the lone exception of no computers and no social media. That's it.
I moved to NYC in 1976 and it was unbelievably wild. It was dangerous and exciting! I was 18, from a rural area and found it extremely stressful and wonderful! CB's and Max's were my second homes, as I was in a new wave band. There was nothing like New York in the 70's! Now, it's like Disneyland--totally boring. I moved out.
It's kinda hard to hear the people talking with the background music.
I went to N.Y in 1977 for a trip it was scary
Very disrespectful way to announce a death! Did they just drag his body out in that body bag...not even on a stretcher?!!
The media coverage of both these kids deaths was absolutely disgusting. Sid's management made t-shirts, I mean what in the hell is wrong with some people.
Sid & Nancy is the reason I didn't do heroin despite doing every other drug. Punk Rock saved my life.
So sad every time I hear this story. I do not believe Sid Vicious was treated fairly for a homicide he was accused of. 🥺✝️
Now with all the remakes, this is one I would watch
I always believed he stabbed her. The knife was wiped clean. He went to the methadone clinic the very next morning. Maybe they were arguing she threatened to kill herself w the knife or him.. who knows exactly what lead up to it but yeah I believe he stabbed her. He couldn't live w what he did.
Sid's mum abused him in every way possible. People may not have liked Nancy, but she did love him & I think she wanted to protect him.
She got him hooked on heroin. She helped him to an early grave.
Protect him? Yeah ..as in their suicide pact..
Note to the editor: If you're going to put text on the screen to read at the end, maybe don't put the upcoming video thumbnail DIRECTLY over the words.. Just saying. Can't stress how annoying that is.
Probably the best perspective anyone can get on Sid is from Chrissie Hynde's biography. Chrissie knew him very well.
They both looked 40. Drugs... 😵
Amanda Kay Nancy looked more 30 than 20 but Sid looked like a kid to me.
Loi Web Channel Nancy spungen and Sid Vicious and Gary Oldman channeled Sid Vicious they were amazing
70s New York was an aesthetic lol, nothing like it before or since, once in a lifetime thing
I do not think Sid killed Nancy. And I don't even think Nancy killed herself either.
Truth be told. We'll never know.
i wish these videos would nix the background music
Yoko ono was nothing like nancy if anyone its courtney love who ripped off this girls entire image & is despised just like she was
"Sid and Nancy " is a fantastically sad story.
r.i.p sid and nancy
The book about Nancy Spungen is brilliant book
It is, I'm about to read it again. It explains a lot of why Nancy was how she was.
Shannon I must have read the book atleast 5 times it keps geting better and better. Have u read milion little pieces by James Frey??
@@jollydodgers2552 I haven't, I heard he made a lot of the book up? He was on Oprah and it became a scandal
Shannon yes he did, but even tough the book is brilliant and not to be missed 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
7:30 - I read another theory where, while Sid n Nancy were sleeping a drug dealer they'd tried to ripoff broke into their room hoping to steel & fence something. Nancy woke and confronted him- he stabbed her to death, fleeing the scene leaving Sid holding the bag!
Sid's knife was the murder weapon.
Why would the drug dealer leave the knife in the room with his fingerprints on it? Surely he would have kept the knife and dumped it.
Fellow Philly girl! You can hear her accent.
"Sid is no long vicious, he's dead" was crazy....
If it was he would not have wiped it clean: she was killed by a member of the group while Sud was blacked out Sid got raped in jail, came out feeling humiliated.
The only thing Sid's mum did for him was introduced him to drugs, brainwash him then kill him, talk about a toxic relationship,
tragic toxic couple but they loved each other :'(
Two very messed up individuals and since they became a couple was a disaster waiting to happen.
Thanks for the video 🙃
Ah 1978 i had my third child i was 24 years old it. was so nice bein young
Iris im 60 an i never thought about getting old, now look im grandma13 grandkids an counting ha ha ha👵👸👶👩👦👱👨👧👲👦👱👶👩👶👸
Iris im 60 an i never thought about getting old, now look im grandma13 grandkids an counting ha ha ha👵👸👶👩👦👱👨👧👲👦👱👶👩👶👸
I'm 24 and I have no children. Thank goodness, I love my sleep.
Mother?
I had mine at 20. Felt like an old fart ever since. Kids make you grow up fast.
Poor Sid 🙁
I love the story of Nancy and Sid. It’s truth stranger than fiction. It’s an iconic moment in history.
All these older people criticizing them and trying to destroy him rather than reaching out and helping them
I 100% think someone killed her because they hated her and thought she was breaking up the band.
Hotel Chelsea is the Chateau Marmont of NYC or The Chateau Marmont is the Hotel Chelsea of Hollywood.
The question is where is sid's father? Why he left him ?ugh must be hard when you have a pathetic family .Drug addict mom and ignorant dad. I feel bad for sid, it's really hurt when people blame and curse sid yet they don't know what's going on with his life.
I think Nancy could of seen Sid laying on the couch or wherever he and thought he was dead. She then killed herself because of the pact they had.
The guy with the hat did it, claiming that there was another guy there, and happy they never found out who did it.....seems like he was there
Great bit of detective work, case closed. Well done Inspector Clouseau.
He didn't kill her. He loved her. Must have been the other guy in the room. It ruined his life. Didn't want to go on after that.
Man that reporter is a savage in how he said "Sid is no longer vicious he's dead" damn lol
Samuel Momodu The heartless bastard..Sid was a human being.
"Sid is no longer Vicious hes DEAD!!!!!" THAT 1970'S SAVAGERY JUMPED OUT! IM FACKING DEAD NOW TOO!!LMAO
The music over the interviews is really off putting for me personally. I really like the video tho well done
"Sid is no longer vicious, he is dead".
I'm not a fan of Punk but if Sid stabbed her in a drugged fuel rage no way would he have presence of mind to wipe the knife clean.I don' believe he did it for on minute but that's just my opinion.
R.I.P.
He was sooooo young.
The commentator on this video sounds EXACTLY like Geraldo Rivera. Although Sid was a horrible person, he used to kill cats for fun, I don’t believe he killed Nancy. I think she was stabbed and robbed by a drug dealer.
The real Sid Vicious was not as good looking as Gary Oldman in Sid and Nancy but the real Nancy was better looking than Chloe Webb who played Nancy.
Nicholas Hoult would make a great new Sid if they remade the Sid & Nancy story. Lady Gaga would be good as Nancy .
I use to live in Berlin durring the soviet occupation and the blockade. Punk was a lifestyle for the youth (like myself at the time), it was not just a music genre or a fashion trend.
When the wall came down I moved to the west to escape the horrors of communism.
Vanquish Media, validated.
@@timgreen2426 Most of the young people do not know what good music is.
@@gobshite5150 I have some good memories but mostly bad, the soviets were very bad to people, especially punk youth. Many people died trying to escape to the west.
Who was the mystery man in the room that's what I'd like to know. Obviously Sid was likely passed out all night
that bloke with the hat did it
Still baffling to this day the intrigue over SV. He was a junkie, couldn't play the bass to save his life, couldn't sing, and had the IQ of a turnip.
That’s harsh but the turnip part made me LOL 😂
Sidiot!
Don't worry.. it'll be that way again if it continues the way it's going.
It’s been
Gossip and hearsay
OMG Sal sounds so much like Geraldo Rivera!!!!
I don’t want to be THAT girl, but I hated the fact that in the movie Sid & Nancy they showed Sid fatally stabbing Nancy. We have no way of knowing what happened
Damn I love this channel even more now 🤟🏼