Our leaders(the ones pulling the strings, not the President) have printed our currency into worthlessness. Things haven’t become more expensive, our currency is failing, in real time.
@@MOTOUK1 That was the best thing about mine, I bought it second hand for £8000 and rode it for 2 years 12k miles and sold it for £8000 😂 Basically a free bike to own for me, loved the bike and regret selling it
I did it. I went and bought myself a 2023 Yamaha MT-10 SP! Picked it up on wednesday appointment for 1st service tomorrow Saturday so i`m a LITTLE BIT restricted till then but OMG! What a spectacular bike. And the Öhlins setup makes ALL the difference.
Gratz on getting the SP model. The Yamaha MT-10s, base and SP models, really are great bikes. I've got the 2021 base model and I love how fun and reliable it is.
@@aries4378 Thanks, its a spectacular bike. A sad ending to the ownership experience tho. We were out riding when we hit some roadworks, laying down new tarmac. They sent us after the "follow me" car over some oil based SH^T and it ruined the bike. Gummed up radiator, radiator fan and the bike looked like shit after, it was no longer my lovely new bike so i swapped it for a KTM 1290 SuperDuke EvoR. And that`s like the MT-10 turned up to 11. Not nearly as reliable tho...
The last in-line 4 litre bike I owned was a black and white 1978 Suzuki GS1000. I have to admit, I still have a soft spot for the GSXS 1000 in your test. Love the banter and the way you and Greg bounce off each other 👍🏽
I’ve always had a lot of love for the S1000 despite it lagging a bit behind on paper; Suzuki might not always have the highest specs but their bikes are extremely capable and get a lot of love from riders
I love this test format, a couple of knowledgeable chaps chatting often conveys so much more useful information. And back to back riding is really the only way to work out if your prospective purchase is better or not. I often ask the sales person to come with me on a test ride so i can jump straight back on my bike for comparison. They rarely refuse 😂
I tried to find an MT10 locally last year and had no luck. I ended up getting the GSX-S1000 and have no regrets. I was coming from an MT09 that I wasn’t happy with the chassis and suspension. I love how stabile the Gixxus is and I actually prefer the sound of the Suzuki over the MT10. I wouldn’t mind an extra 10-15 horsepower but I am very happy with it .
im planing for mt09 ! but suzuki ! i think its just better than others ! in other hand suzuki is not on market like other brands ! and no tft screen ! it gives me bad feeling
Interesting... I used to have the older CB1000R and having spent 7 years track racing I actually never had any issues grinding the footrests and getting right to the tyre edges. Such a shame that the newer Neo Cafe has lost its handling.
The MT10 was never going to lose this one, it is an absolutely fantastic bike. I rode my last MT10 to the Nurburgring for a play on the track and it was a great bike to tour on and ride quick.
It lost on looks but that is about it. Great bike otherwise. But it just begs the question why don't Yamaha make an XSR 1000 with more traditional classic styling. That would sell better, no doubt. They do an XSR with the smaller variants so why no 1000 version. Very odd decision from Yamaha and poor marketing I think.
I rode mt-10 2023 on test ride, I did not like the sitting position, you are sitting on top of the bike and you definately are blown away on speed over 130 km/h with out any windscreen.
If the tyres aren’t the same that could give a feel of the bike dropping on the Honda. Tyre profile might be sharper on the Honda and more rounded on the Suzy.
I recently bought a new gsxs1000. And amazed it’s built. The frame stability, of course the engine and electric controls. It could be better but it’s price range, it’s the best.
Currently looking at thr MT10 SP. I considered the Tuono, SuperDukeR and S1000R, but i hear of a lot of reliability issues. I dont get to ride a lot and want to open the garage and it just works and tickles with dangly bits!!!
I’ve had 12 superbikes and a few Supernakeds and my FAVORITE of them all was my MT10 and all I’d done was de-cat , race filter and tune . The sound with no cat is insane! By far my favorite daily, track bike, tourer, take my daughters to school bike, canyon carver , LOVE it!
I have a suzuki gsx s1000 2023 model I am very satisfied the stock sound is great I am in the process of getting used to it so I don't know its limits yet but it is very powerful I had a yamaha mt9 before, the gearbox and the chassis are much better in the suzuki, but the technology is unfortunately behind
What a brilliant video. Really enjoyed that. Two guys talking the difference they feel in the bike. Agreeing and disagreeing really conveyed more info than if it was just one person
The Suzuki was king for me. Tried the Kawasaki Z1000, the MT10, the Triumph equivallent, the Honda CB1000R. The suzuki offers me somewhat more for less. Its a package I grew into rather then love from the get go, it earned my love and respect rather then have it by looks from the get go. Its agressive, powerfull, with those headlights it looks like a angry rhino charging at you. I point my hips and and trough the corner before I ever knew there was one. Best bike I ever owned. Hands down.
I've tested both, the Suzuki and the MT10 and I don't know why I'm heavily drawn to the Suzuki... Yeah the mt10 looks like the superior bike but the Suzuki won my heart. I say that as someone who was dead set as buying an mt10 before I tested the Suzuki.
My experience is that many Hondas are quite sensitive to front tyre pressure. Keeping the pressure in the upper range keeps them from tipping in to the corner in that wired way.
Great review, guys. You're quite right in putting the MT-10 in a class above the other two (still worthy) bikes. It definitely is in contention with the Tuono V4, SDR, S1K etc. I would argue that as a road bike it is competitive with the Streetfighter V4 and M1000R too, as their performance advantage is up at high RPM and perhaps best suited to track, if you can hang on! I look forward to your upcoming comparison.
I think putting it up with the Tuono V4, Streetfighter V4, S1K, or Speed Triple RS is a bit of a stretch. Those bikes are all a bit lighter and have substantially more power. With the crossplane engine it’s going to be a bit more torque rich in the mid range then the GSXS or CB… but real world those 2 are a closer contender to the MT10 then the MT10 is to those listed hypernakeds…
I have ridden the MT10 on several occasions - just amazing 😎🏁 The chassis, the engine / gearbox / quickshifter-blipper feel harmonious indeed😃👍 And last but not least the S22 rubber compliment the entire package. My choice would be the SP 🤩🏁🏁
Brilliant as always chopsie!! I have 2019 MT-10 and a 2022 GSXS 1000 GT. Both had major braking improvements with just a set of SBS RST (track spec) front pads. Also the comfort seat is a must on the MT, that stocker is a plank of wood. The two bikes make great stablemates. The MT is what I choose when I do a more hoonish shorter ride with some wheelies 😃and the GT is the long ride backroad burner. Love em both!
THIS is what I've been waiting to hear, as I'm fingering my checkbook, looking at the MT-10 and the 1000-GT, but in the US you generally cannot test-ride. Is the GT too BLAND? Can you TOUR with the MT?
Was just typing about you guys possibly reviewing the new Triumph Street Triple RS and you go and mention the future comparison!.. Look forward to it!!😀
That K5 motor sold me on my gen 2 GSXS, love the riding position, quick shifter, and the brakes are excellent on mine! Even the stealthy angular looks and headlight I absolutely love 👊😎
Been waiting for this one. Before watching i'll declare my bias! I like the look of the CBR and like the way that the GSX-S rides. Unfortunately i'm not a fan of the MT10. The short wheelbase makes it a bit twitchy for the way I ride. Just not as planted as the Suzuki.
I have the 2019 CB1000R, 30000kms and no issues. IMO the best looking naked out there (especially parked side by side with my Streetfighter 1098S!), but a Supernaked it's definitely not... Think of it as a GT - easy to ride around town but can do the sporty weekend blast. Properly setting up the suspension & switching to Bridgestone S22s made a noticeable difference for me. If I could only have 1 bike to do it all, the MT10 would be the logical choice, looks be damned.
Sorry guys I’ve had GSXsF for since 2016 I’ve spent a couple of hundred pounds on after market parts and , I have to say it’s much easier and better to ride than the MT10 My son in law had the SP version and I rode it a few times The Suzuki is much more forgiving. I do agree that the brakes are totally useless As for looks, I’ve spent a lot less than £1600 for a face lift that’s on the Honda and, I’ve got a bike that looks just as good if not better Thanks for the reviews
I second that the mt10 is a step above. I think it’s in the same hypernaked class as the ktm superduke , touno v4 . The Honda and Suzuki are no doubt great bikes but the mt10 has what I call the “riot factor”. More so than any superbike , it unleashes You can also setup a mt10 up a bit like the touno , puigs windshield looks factory, add a belly pan and you’ve got that “topless only” style naked bike. A gentleman’s bike.
I've had mine for nearly 5 years now, with the comfort seat(essential in my view) and the small fly screen and I am utterly besotted by it. I've had a good demo run on the new one and didn't like it as much as my previous model. For me, they've altered the sound detrimentally, giving it too much induction noise. These engines are absolute gems, the handling is excellent and as you say, bullet proof reliability.
Gents really enjoyed the review, I think that old adage, horses for courses with the bikes you did the comparison on, all good bikes in their own right. For me in this category it would be the BMW S1000R. Thank you.
Excellent. I think you're the only one with this review, everybody wants to compare these Japanese bikes to the much more expensive exotic Euro counterparts.
A great comparison of these three bikes, very well presented covering all angles apart from perhaps one, tyres. I noticed the MT10 and the GSX appeared to be on the same or very similar tyres, going by profile and tread pattern. The Honda was on Michelin's, not the road 6's but very similar, with a taller profile therefor steeper turn in. It's another factor to consider when judging cornering confidence 🤔
I totally agree with Greg on the handling with the Honda. When I test Rode it I felt the exact same issue when you tilt in to corners. The bike just suddenly falls in. To me it feels like a very short wheel base. Very very odd feeling
30:18 😅 The comment about not going in to the garage and looking at it, as you say this is a marmite look. And personally as an owner I love it and even after five years I can leave it parked somewhere and I’ll still look back at it and just feel proud of what an awesome machine it is.
I've only ever owned one Honda in my motorcyling life, 1972 to present, and that was an ST1100. I'm not overly impressed with the CB1000R and doesn't make into my " need something to fill this space in the shed" list. I love Suzuki's from the little TS100 I started on to my GSX-S1000F I have now, she shares space with the BMW R1250RS and The Royal Enfield Continental GT. The new GSX-S well it's the ultimate in standard Japanese fours, does everything well, doesn't need all the gadgets, cheap as chips, lasts for ever. Who could ask for more.
I traded in my 2002 r1 (best looking bike in the world in my opinion) for something more comfy... saw an mt 10 and said to myself "that is the ugliest bike i have ever seen. but at least no one will steal it... ill take it" after a season of riding i love it and the looks have grown on me. the TST lights help make it look a lot better and i did some custom rear turn signals on the rear that makes it look neat. pics on the mt10 forums posted in the parts and accessories section on Dec 2023. best bike i have owned by far.
An Evotech tail tidy and a smaller but not too pisstaking 7x8 numberplate completely transformed the new model MT10 for me looking at it from the rear, looks much better now that EU approved gopping great monstrosity of a tailpiece is in the bin. Buying the Tech Black model makes the whole bike look more co ordinated. Ordered mine May 2022, delivered November 2022. I couldn't get on with any of the other colour choices. Lobbed about 2k on extras including the Akrapovic can in Black (Totally makes the bike look more aggressive and higher spec) and the comfort seat. The stitching on the newest variant of the comfort seat (comfort seat from the older model fits also) has contrasting stitching which makes the bike look more plush and a little bit more special with it's thankfully subtle MT10 logo embossing. Black Gilles levers and Gilles Chain adjusters, GB Racing engine covers, Evotech bobbins everywhere you can fit a set, the Oberon bar end mirrors that used to be on the MT09 I part exchanged for this bike. Yamaha rubber grip pads right around the tank facing me. Daytona heated grips, all black rad guard and oil cooler guards and an equally ugly but considerably less weedy sounding Denali soundbomb horn. Mines definitely giving off a strong Streetfighter vibe now. Things that had to go on DAY ONE included the ugly sticker on the tank reminding me it doesn't run on diesel. Thanks for the top tip Yamaha, thankfully it was pretty easy to peel off without a trace. Also the gash looking huge Raleigh Chopper style orange reflectors on the calipers had to go straight in the bin. Added all the crash protection and tail tidy out in the shed but was keen to crack out some miles to get the service out of the way when the workshop was quieter rather than in Springtime. I still have yet to ride mine this year but got first service out of the way in late December at least so I'm ready to get out on it without nannying it too much. It's truly looking more and more like Batman's Bike every day. When that warranty is up I'll have the decat and the flash to get it sounding as offensive as it looks.
I rode one of these Honda's a couple of years back. I hadn't ridden a road bike for a while. And man I thought I had forgotten how to ride. I felt so nervous tipping it into a corner. I've ridden heaps of different bikes but I had to walk away from it. Loved the look and fit and finish. But at the end of the day you want to feel confident.
Whats the point of having nice looks when handling is bad? Honda should fix the handling so it works both for cafe-to-cafe cruise and a bit of sunday fun on the backroads.
GSX for me is a time machine. Takes me back to the late 90s...I was in my 20s, and Savage Garden on radio, a Startac in my pocket, a Discman in my pack, and whole lots everything on my mind...no other bike can beat that.
I've got the Honda and handling on par with my old srad on favourite roads , the 190 55 maybe what your feeling , no issues for me . Re map and a shock transformed the bike
Oh we are all looking for confirmation. Lol. You got it right on the CB. I have had mine for 1 month. Just lovely. Coming from FZ09. There is a chart organized buy your weight. They get you to adjust everything when you follow along your weight range. Try second gear just nicely take it to 12000 rpm. I can’t.
Cracking review :-) I'm in the market right now for a naked litre bike also considering som of the sport tourers like the GSXS 1000 GT. The GT has the same issue as the GSXS with the brakes, is this a simple pad replacement or are we talking a whole new brake cylinder to rectify this? The MT-10 is quite a bit more expensive in Denmark well I mean all the bikes are expensive in Denmark but MT-10 is 8K pounds more expensive than the GSXS 1000 when converting danish currency so quite a hefty price jump.
Buy a used mt10, decat and "flash" the ecu and you have yourself about the best "grin" factor money can buy. I got my '18 with 1kmi on it for $9800. $600 for a yosh 3/4 system and $300 for the flash and it's absolutely THE most fun bike I've owned out of approx 30 bikes I've owned. It's oure jailbait though!😂
You nailed it again guy's, with you on yam seat, i can only compare early R1 a friend had, it's seat was also like plywood ok it's a full on sports bike, but my old 95 blade seat way more comfy, ATB John & Greg...........Wayne.
Ended up getting my SDR taken back due to an insane amount of issues, and picked up a brand new 23' MT10 for 12.5k and haven't looked back. No major issues, and is just as much fun.
Utterly brilliant video all round 👍 I wondered what you were on about 'it looks like the fly'......how did I miss it ? it must've been modelled on it 😂
Have been looking forward to this one, great review chaps. I was getting back into riding around when the CB1000r came out, nearly bought one as its a fantastic looking stead in my opinion, best of the three. I thought the MT10 front end was just too plain ugly at the time, however I think now I just wouldnt care and would buy the MT10 just for giggles and sheer fun alone. (Ended up buying the Ducati Supersport but still thinking about the MT10 ...... )
Had a cbr 1000r,,new gen,couple yrs.back,can't remember which yr. But,,the Honda was an extremely fine bike.great breaks,killer handling,great acceleration. Top notch quality. Only nit pick,,engine was a bit buzzy.not a deal breaker,by any means..all these bikes are awsome..I would probably go Honda.all winners.
A fella at our club who's a courier has a GSX-S1000 for work, it's a company bike but he has full use of it, he's got the MT-10 for pleasure and when I asked why he never uses the Suzuki on club runs he said "when you've got the MT-10 in your garage it's hard to consider the GSX-S".
I have owned my stock 2017 model for a couple of year's, a fantastic bike, comfort seat and a de-cat a must to get the full soundtrack of the crossplane engine. Upcoming reviews sound great particularly the new Street rs which I have ridden and is absolutely awesome. Cheers Choppsy n Gregorio.
Another great video I love that Yamaha the most but I'll never understand why the company can't give us worthwhile headlights seeing and being seen is impossible on that bike form over function
The MT-10 has always had an appetite for fuel. Yamaha has supposedly improved that, but I doubt it's anywhere as efficient as the GSX. With the extra 1/2 gallon the Suzuki has on the MT-10, clearly the Suzuki is the choice for covering miles. But does a person really use the sort of power these make? If you're after high end electronics, the Duke 890R or MT-09SP/XSR900, and Ducati Monster cover that taste, but offer power you can actually use most of on a daily. The cost between the MT-10 and GSX-S1000 is $2800 in the USA for 2024.
As good as the MT10 is, once you step out of Japan, it’s completely out classed in the heavyweight naked segment (Super Duke, Streetfighter V4, Speed Triple, etc.)
@@madrat5176 yes that's true, but it's probably cheaper (alot in some cases) than the euro competition. It you spend the change on the MT10 how would it compare?
Na Suzuki appleyards are knocking theses out at £10298 on the road , cartridge kit new shock remap £1500 , piss all over mt10 , what people forget it's alright these fuckers playing catch up in a straight line but the tight stuff the Suz will put its power down better , mt10 relies on electronic suite , too much torque , but saying that a well ridden sv 650 will piss both
I've had all of these bikes. Honda 2, months, GSXS 8 months, MT-10 9 months. The Honda to me is very numb, but nice looking, the Suzuki was so nice, its a daily, great and not mental. MT-10, I I'm keeping this, STD mode, loads of pull, chassis is so good. A mode, wow,
I have made this comment before, but an XSR1000 would address the looks issue with the MT10, and the comparison between XSr900 and MT09 suggests the former might be the better bike to ride of those two.
Nice one, guys ! Did you check the front tyre pressure on the Honda? An under inflated tyre can make it feel like the bike tips in suddenly on corners...
Great Vid, i own a 2016 GSX S1000 and i found the front tyre profiles of different makes of tyres changes the handling characteristics, were the tyres on both bikes the same brand and model.
Save £4k,buy a GSX-S950, take it to Maxton and buy a Power Commander/pipe(grinder/£40 mid pipe/Lextek can), pootle all you want on your free 3 weeks in southern Europe?
Seen in a forum exchange: Q: "Hey, this MT10 I just got hit reserve after just 150 km....? Does it really guzzle fuel like that"? A: "Ok but those are 150 km ON WHEELIES" That pretty much said it all :D
Great video. My only point of criticism is how small the text for the key specs were for phone viewers. I had to pause the video, take a screenshot, and zoom it in to read it. Fantastic video otherwise and I have a much better idea of what bike I’m going to get this summer.
@mark simpson agree about the engine Mark. But there are other factors to consider, like looks, daily usability, personal comfort, price, and so on. Alex.
Great video, just one thing I'd like to mention is the bike details are so small on the pop up 😂 im watching on a huge tv and i still cant read it haha. Love the format and like the new LCR effects
Just look at Andycame he found his Honda fantastic on corners, yes the Honda does tip in but that allows it to out corner the other bike , yes it’s slower but it only has 140 hp . I think you made your mind up before you even rode it. The Honda will out corner the other two.
Hooligan Spirit won the game 😉 although I think those three don’t have the same target (neoretro / supernaked / « budget big 1000 all rounder ») Looking forward to your MT10 SP vs Tuono V4 vs Streetfighter V4 vs S1000R vs SuperDuke 🤩🤩🤩
When you've decided between the mt10sp, super duke and Tuono.... You'll have to put the winner of that against the street fighter v4 and s1000r (or m1000r).
Another great video, guys. The MT10 I think I would go for, but I know what you mean about the looks, It is a bit like the Fly from the front! I must say I loved the original R1 engine, and thought it was the best engine in any vehicle that I have ever owned, that’s cars and bikes, and I’m 68, so I’ve owned a few, Look forward to your next video!!
Honda for thé look, MT10 for thé engine, Suzuki for the overall price wise package ✌️
I've had a great time for the last 7 years with my MT10. Zero issues in 30,000 miles, but wow, new bike inflation! Mine was a shade under 10K new.
Our leaders(the ones pulling the strings, not the President) have printed our currency into worthlessness. Things haven’t become more expensive, our currency is failing, in real time.
All good for the second hand pricing now on our Mt10’s Richard 👍
@@MOTOUK1 That was the best thing about mine, I bought it second hand for £8000 and rode it for 2 years 12k miles and sold it for £8000 😂
Basically a free bike to own for me, loved the bike and regret selling it
And people are now selling a 2016 model for 8k!
@@MaximumProductions70That's nearly 2021 gsxs1000 money...
I just got my 2023 GSXS 1000, it's an absolute monster ❤
couple of years ago I decided to buy the gsx-s1000 after watching your video and I couldn't be happier, reasonably priced and overall good bike
I did it. I went and bought myself a 2023 Yamaha MT-10 SP! Picked it up on wednesday appointment for 1st service tomorrow Saturday so i`m a LITTLE BIT restricted till then but OMG! What a spectacular bike. And the Öhlins setup makes ALL the difference.
Very nice John!! Enjoy it buddy 👍👍
Gratz on getting the SP model. The Yamaha MT-10s, base and SP models, really are great bikes. I've got the 2021 base model and I love how fun and reliable it is.
@@aries4378 Thanks, its a spectacular bike. A sad ending to the ownership experience tho. We were out riding when we hit some roadworks, laying down new tarmac. They sent us after the "follow me" car over some oil based SH^T and it ruined the bike. Gummed up radiator, radiator fan and the bike looked like shit after, it was no longer my lovely new bike so i swapped it for a KTM 1290 SuperDuke EvoR. And that`s like the MT-10 turned up to 11. Not nearly as reliable tho...
@@LambChopRidesWhy do British people say 'pound' instead of pounds? Also, why do you say Quid in the first place?
This is such a winning formula with you two assessing the bikes being under pinned with a sense of light hearted humor.A winner for sure.
Thanks Bruce 😁 👍
The last in-line 4 litre bike I owned was a black and white 1978 Suzuki GS1000. I have to admit, I still have a soft spot for the GSXS 1000 in your test. Love the banter and the way you and Greg bounce off each other 👍🏽
I’ve always had a lot of love for the S1000 despite it lagging a bit behind on paper; Suzuki might not always have the highest specs but their bikes are extremely capable and get a lot of love from riders
I'll choose the GSX-S because of bulletproof Suzuki engine...
More than honda?
@@LizardMane of course..
@@lokeshdeshwal5288sorry, this is bullshIt.
Yamaha engines are also bulletproof.
GIXxer engine all the way!
That Honda is one of the best looking bikes ever. Right up there with new Diavel and 1600 V-Max.
I love this test format, a couple of knowledgeable chaps chatting often conveys so much more useful information. And back to back riding is really the only way to work out if your prospective purchase is better or not. I often ask the sales person to come with me on a test ride so i can jump straight back on my bike for comparison. They rarely refuse 😂
Great review. Love my CB1000r and it is a perfect cafe to Cafe racer 😊
I tried to find an MT10 locally last year and had no luck. I ended up getting the GSX-S1000 and have no regrets. I was coming from an MT09 that I wasn’t happy with the chassis and suspension. I love how stabile the Gixxus is and I actually prefer the sound of the Suzuki over the MT10. I wouldn’t mind an extra 10-15 horsepower but I am very happy with it .
Full exhaust and ECU flash for that power. Also consider the ECU is capping power on the high RPM end, shutting down your 2ndary flies.
New gen MT09 is amazing.
@@tigeurrillabut not stabile over 160 km/h too!! 😡
im planing for mt09 ! but suzuki ! i think its just better than others !
in other hand suzuki is not on market like other brands ! and no tft screen ! it gives me bad feeling
Good comparison video by you both. It's the Suzuki for me.
Interesting... I used to have the older CB1000R and having spent 7 years track racing I actually never had any issues grinding the footrests and getting right to the tyre edges. Such a shame that the newer Neo Cafe has lost its handling.
The MT10 was never going to lose this one, it is an absolutely fantastic bike. I rode my last MT10 to the Nurburgring for a play on the track and it was a great bike to tour on and ride quick.
It lost on looks but that is about it. Great bike otherwise. But it just begs the question why don't Yamaha make an XSR 1000 with more traditional classic styling. That would sell better, no doubt. They do an XSR with the smaller variants so why no 1000 version. Very odd decision from Yamaha and poor marketing I think.
CAN you "tour" the MT-10? How's the wind-blast...and comfort, on long runs?
I rode mt-10 2023 on test ride, I did not like the sitting position, you are sitting on top of the bike and you definately are blown away on speed over 130 km/h with out any windscreen.
If the tyres aren’t the same that could give a feel of the bike dropping on the Honda. Tyre profile might be sharper on the Honda and more rounded on the Suzy.
Awesome video Chops 👍
It's the Honda for me. It's always the Honda
I recently bought a new gsxs1000.
And amazed it’s built. The frame stability, of course the engine and electric controls.
It could be better but it’s price range, it’s the best.
Currently looking at thr MT10 SP. I considered the Tuono, SuperDukeR and S1000R, but i hear of a lot of reliability issues. I dont get to ride a lot and want to open the garage and it just works and tickles with dangly bits!!!
I’ve had 12 superbikes and a few Supernakeds and my FAVORITE of them all was my MT10 and all I’d done was de-cat , race filter and tune . The sound with no cat is insane! By far my favorite daily, track bike, tourer, take my daughters to school bike, canyon carver , LOVE it!
I have a suzuki gsx s1000 2023 model I am very satisfied the stock sound is great I am in the process of getting used to it so I don't know its limits yet but it is very powerful I had a yamaha mt9 before, the gearbox and the chassis are much better in the suzuki, but the technology is unfortunately behind
What a brilliant video. Really enjoyed that.
Two guys talking the difference they feel in the bike. Agreeing and disagreeing really conveyed more info than if it was just one person
Thanks buddy 👍
As usual, a very very good Commentary and comparison between (this time)Japanese bikes. Thoroughly enjoyed it Chopsey
The Suzuki was king for me. Tried the Kawasaki Z1000, the MT10, the Triumph equivallent, the Honda CB1000R. The suzuki offers me somewhat more for less. Its a package I grew into rather then love from the get go, it earned my love and respect rather then have it by looks from the get go. Its agressive, powerfull, with those headlights it looks like a angry rhino charging at you. I point my hips and and trough the corner before I ever knew there was one.
Best bike I ever owned. Hands down.
I've tested both, the Suzuki and the MT10 and I don't know why I'm heavily drawn to the Suzuki... Yeah the mt10 looks like the superior bike but the Suzuki won my heart. I say that as someone who was dead set as buying an mt10 before I tested the Suzuki.
Suzuki looks like a jet fighter imo I love it
Preload doesn't change firmness. Only damping and spring rate will change that
My experience is that many Hondas are quite sensitive to front tyre pressure. Keeping the pressure in the upper range keeps them from tipping in to the corner in that wired way.
The higher pressure would surely make it more pointy and prone to tip in too quickly
That's what I thought, sounds like front is under inflated, giving you that feeling of no turn in and then falling into the corner.
It is a new tyre thing! People get used to squaring I reckon!
Tyre profile! Some are more pointy and thus tip onto the side, others are more rounded and roll onto the side.
Great review, guys. You're quite right in putting the MT-10 in a class above the other two (still worthy) bikes. It definitely is in contention with the Tuono V4, SDR, S1K etc. I would argue that as a road bike it is competitive with the Streetfighter V4 and M1000R too, as their performance advantage is up at high RPM and perhaps best suited to track, if you can hang on! I look forward to your upcoming comparison.
I think putting it up with the Tuono V4, Streetfighter V4, S1K, or Speed Triple RS is a bit of a stretch. Those bikes are all a bit lighter and have substantially more power.
With the crossplane engine it’s going to be a bit more torque rich in the mid range then the GSXS or CB… but real world those 2 are a closer contender to the MT10 then the MT10 is to those listed hypernakeds…
I have ridden the MT10 on several occasions - just amazing 😎🏁
The chassis, the engine / gearbox / quickshifter-blipper feel harmonious indeed😃👍
And last but not least the S22 rubber compliment the entire package. My choice would be the SP 🤩🏁🏁
Brilliant as always chopsie!! I have 2019 MT-10 and a 2022 GSXS 1000 GT. Both had major braking improvements with just a set of SBS RST (track spec) front pads. Also the comfort seat is a must on the MT, that stocker is a plank of wood.
The two bikes make great stablemates. The MT is what I choose when I do a more hoonish shorter ride with some wheelies 😃and the GT is the long ride backroad burner. Love em both!
THIS is what I've been waiting to hear, as I'm fingering my checkbook, looking at the MT-10 and the 1000-GT, but in the US you generally cannot test-ride. Is the GT too BLAND? Can you TOUR with the MT?
…fantastic work. Couple of good mates enjoying 3 great bikes and very professionally delivered/produced. Top drawer stuff.
Thanks buddy 👍
Was just typing about you guys possibly reviewing the new Triumph Street Triple RS and you go and mention the future comparison!.. Look forward to it!!😀
That K5 motor sold me on my gen 2 GSXS, love the riding position, quick shifter, and the brakes are excellent on mine! Even the stealthy angular looks and headlight I absolutely love 👊😎
Been waiting for this one.
Before watching i'll declare my bias!
I like the look of the CBR and like the way that the GSX-S rides. Unfortunately i'm not a fan of the MT10. The short wheelbase makes it a bit twitchy for the way I ride. Just not as planted as the Suzuki.
I have the 2019 CB1000R, 30000kms and no issues. IMO the best looking naked out there (especially parked side by side with my Streetfighter 1098S!), but a Supernaked it's definitely not... Think of it as a GT - easy to ride around town but can do the sporty weekend blast. Properly setting up the suspension & switching to Bridgestone S22s made a noticeable difference for me. If I could only have 1 bike to do it all, the MT10 would be the logical choice, looks be damned.
I love the way the MT-10 looks. People whinge so bloody much about bike looks.
I was not sold on its looks but when I saw one in person I was like "daaamn..."
Sorry guys
I’ve had GSXsF for since 2016
I’ve spent a couple of hundred pounds on after market parts and , I have to say it’s much easier and better to ride than the MT10
My son in law had the SP version and I rode it a few times
The Suzuki is much more forgiving.
I do agree that the brakes are totally useless
As for looks, I’ve spent a lot less than £1600 for a face lift that’s on the Honda and, I’ve got a bike that looks just as good if not better
Thanks for the reviews
You should put the MT09 SP in the test with the KTM 890 and the triumph chaps it would be a great addition to the test.
I second that the mt10 is a step above.
I think it’s in the same hypernaked class as the ktm superduke , touno v4 .
The Honda and Suzuki are no doubt great bikes but the mt10 has what I call the “riot factor”.
More so than any superbike , it unleashes
You can also setup a mt10 up a bit like the touno , puigs windshield looks factory, add a belly pan and you’ve got that “topless only” style naked bike. A gentleman’s bike.
I've had mine for nearly 5 years now, with the comfort seat(essential in my view) and the small fly screen and I am utterly besotted by it. I've had a good demo run on the new one and didn't like it as much as my previous model. For me, they've altered the sound detrimentally, giving it too much induction noise. These engines are absolute gems, the handling is excellent and as you say, bullet proof reliability.
Gents really enjoyed the review, I think that old adage, horses for courses with the bikes you did the comparison on, all good bikes in their own right. For me in this category it would be the BMW S1000R. Thank you.
Excellent. I think you're the only one with this review, everybody wants to compare these Japanese bikes to the much more expensive exotic Euro counterparts.
A great comparison of these three bikes, very well presented covering all angles apart from perhaps one, tyres. I noticed the MT10 and the GSX appeared to be on the same or very similar tyres, going by profile and tread pattern. The Honda was on Michelin's, not the road 6's but very similar, with a taller profile therefor steeper turn in. It's another factor to consider when judging cornering confidence 🤔
I totally agree with Greg on the handling with the Honda. When I test Rode it I felt the exact same issue when you tilt in to corners. The bike just suddenly falls in. To me it feels like a very short wheel base. Very very odd feeling
I'm new to motorcycles. Is that a good thing or bad thing?
@KH-qs1di Not good for a new rider as it won't help inspire confidence.
30:18 😅
The comment about not going in to the garage and looking at it, as you say this is a marmite look. And personally as an owner I love it and even after five years I can leave it parked somewhere and I’ll still look back at it and just feel proud of what an awesome machine it is.
I've only ever owned one Honda in my motorcyling life, 1972 to present, and that was an ST1100. I'm not overly impressed with the CB1000R and doesn't make into my " need something to fill this space in the shed" list. I love Suzuki's from the little TS100 I started on to my GSX-S1000F I have now, she shares space with the BMW R1250RS and The Royal Enfield Continental GT. The new GSX-S well it's the ultimate in standard Japanese fours, does everything well, doesn't need all the gadgets, cheap as chips, lasts for ever. Who could ask for more.
I had the same feeling Greg 😂 The mt10 screams fun. I absolutely love the sound of the it. The Yamaha walks this test imho. ❤
I traded in my 2002 r1 (best looking bike in the world in my opinion) for something more comfy... saw an mt 10 and said to myself "that is the ugliest bike i have ever seen. but at least no one will steal it... ill take it" after a season of riding i love it and the looks have grown on me. the TST lights help make it look a lot better and i did some custom rear turn signals on the rear that makes it look neat. pics on the mt10 forums posted in the parts and accessories section on Dec 2023. best bike i have owned by far.
An Evotech tail tidy and a smaller but not too pisstaking 7x8 numberplate completely transformed the new model MT10 for me looking at it from the rear, looks much better now that EU approved gopping great monstrosity of a tailpiece is in the bin. Buying the Tech Black model makes the whole bike look more co ordinated. Ordered mine May 2022, delivered November 2022. I couldn't get on with any of the other colour choices. Lobbed about 2k on extras including the Akrapovic can in Black (Totally makes the bike look more aggressive and higher spec) and the comfort seat. The stitching on the newest variant of the comfort seat (comfort seat from the older model fits also) has contrasting stitching which makes the bike look more plush and a little bit more special with it's thankfully subtle MT10 logo embossing. Black Gilles levers and Gilles Chain adjusters, GB Racing engine covers, Evotech bobbins everywhere you can fit a set, the Oberon bar end mirrors that used to be on the MT09 I part exchanged for this bike. Yamaha rubber grip pads right around the tank facing me. Daytona heated grips, all black rad guard and oil cooler guards and an equally ugly but considerably less weedy sounding Denali soundbomb horn. Mines definitely giving off a strong Streetfighter vibe now. Things that had to go on DAY ONE included the ugly sticker on the tank reminding me it doesn't run on diesel. Thanks for the top tip Yamaha, thankfully it was pretty easy to peel off without a trace. Also the gash looking huge Raleigh Chopper style orange reflectors on the calipers had to go straight in the bin. Added all the crash protection and tail tidy out in the shed but was keen to crack out some miles to get the service out of the way when the workshop was quieter rather than in Springtime. I still have yet to ride mine this year but got first service out of the way in late December at least so I'm ready to get out on it without nannying it too much. It's truly looking more and more like Batman's Bike every day. When that warranty is up I'll have the decat and the flash to get it sounding as offensive as it looks.
Love the looks of the CB1000R but wanted something stupid fast for a 3rd bike so went with the Z H2 SE.
I rode one of these Honda's a couple of years back. I hadn't ridden a road bike for a while. And man I thought I had forgotten how to ride. I felt so nervous tipping it into a corner. I've ridden heaps of different bikes but I had to walk away from it. Loved the look and fit and finish. But at the end of the day you want to feel confident.
Whats the point of having nice looks when handling is bad? Honda should fix the handling so it works both for cafe-to-cafe cruise and a bit of sunday fun on the backroads.
None of these bikes handle bad. Everything gets so exaggerated.
GSX for me is a time machine. Takes me back to the late 90s...I was in my 20s, and Savage Garden on radio, a Startac in my pocket, a Discman in my pack, and whole lots everything on my mind...no other bike can beat that.
Maybe the Honda’s weird handling is because of the tires? Maybe it has a sharper profile so it falls into corners?
I've got the Honda and handling on par with my old srad on favourite roads , the 190 55 maybe what your feeling , no issues for me . Re map and a shock transformed the bike
I have a CB1000R. You can take it in the twisty curvy roads and it’ll handle it all with no problem.
Oh we are all looking for confirmation. Lol. You got it right on the CB. I have had mine for 1 month. Just lovely. Coming from FZ09. There is a chart organized buy your weight. They get you to adjust everything when you follow along your weight range. Try second gear just nicely take it to 12000 rpm. I can’t.
I was looking forward to this one and yeah....bloody epic mate. Nice one Chopsyyyyyyy and Greg
Thanks Alf 😁 👍
Cracking review :-) I'm in the market right now for a naked litre bike also considering som of the sport tourers like the GSXS 1000 GT. The GT has the same issue as the GSXS with the brakes, is this a simple pad replacement or are we talking a whole new brake cylinder to rectify this? The MT-10 is quite a bit more expensive in Denmark well I mean all the bikes are expensive in Denmark but MT-10 is 8K pounds more expensive than the GSXS 1000 when converting danish currency so quite a hefty price jump.
Buy a used mt10, decat and "flash" the ecu and you have yourself about the best "grin" factor money can buy. I got my '18 with 1kmi on it for $9800. $600 for a yosh 3/4 system and $300 for the flash and it's absolutely THE most fun bike I've owned out of approx 30 bikes I've owned. It's oure jailbait though!😂
You nailed it again guy's, with you on yam seat, i can only compare early R1 a friend had, it's seat was also like plywood ok it's a full on sports bike, but my old 95 blade seat way more comfy, ATB John & Greg...........Wayne.
Suzuki -working man's thou', Yamaha working man's super naked. Honda made something within the category.
Ended up getting my SDR taken back due to an insane amount of issues, and picked up a brand new 23' MT10 for 12.5k and haven't looked back. No major issues, and is just as much fun.
Utterly brilliant video all round 👍 I wondered what you were on about 'it looks like the fly'......how did I miss it ? it must've been modelled on it 😂
Thanks Nick 👍
Have been looking forward to this one, great review chaps. I was getting back into riding around when the CB1000r came out, nearly bought one as its a fantastic looking stead in my opinion, best of the three. I thought the MT10 front end was just too plain ugly at the time, however I think now I just wouldnt care and would buy the MT10 just for giggles and sheer fun alone.
(Ended up buying the Ducati Supersport but still thinking about the MT10 ...... )
When you're riding, does it really matter what it looks like? I buy bikes for me, not for other view.
Had a cbr 1000r,,new gen,couple yrs.back,can't remember which yr. But,,the Honda was an extremely fine bike.great breaks,killer handling,great acceleration. Top notch quality. Only nit pick,,engine was a bit buzzy.not a deal breaker,by any means..all these bikes are awsome..I would probably go Honda.all winners.
GSXS 1000 is best for me
Then you like the inferior bike
A fella at our club who's a courier has a GSX-S1000 for work, it's a company bike but he has full use of it, he's got the MT-10 for pleasure and when I asked why he never uses the Suzuki on club runs he said "when you've got the MT-10 in your garage it's hard to consider the GSX-S".
I have owned my stock 2017 model for a couple of year's, a fantastic bike, comfort seat and a de-cat a must to get the full soundtrack of the crossplane engine. Upcoming reviews sound great particularly the new Street rs which I have ridden and is absolutely awesome. Cheers Choppsy n Gregorio.
I just sold my Mt 10 sp ..great bike. Seat is too hard and brakes are bad. (Pads will improve the brakes)
Good video, thanks. Looking forward to the other comparisons, especially the Rocket III vs the Diavel.
Another great video
I love that Yamaha the most
but I'll never understand why the company can't give us worthwhile headlights
seeing and being seen is impossible on that bike
form over function
All three look like fun, something for everyone. I had a 10, but love the look of the Honda, and I’m sure the Suzuki is great too. 👍🤪🇨🇦
Great video as always. The MT10 is much more comparable with the S1000R rather than the larger engined Aprilia/KTM/Ducati...
The MT-10 has always had an appetite for fuel. Yamaha has supposedly improved that, but I doubt it's anywhere as efficient as the GSX. With the extra 1/2 gallon the Suzuki has on the MT-10, clearly the Suzuki is the choice for covering miles.
But does a person really use the sort of power these make? If you're after high end electronics, the Duke 890R or MT-09SP/XSR900, and Ducati Monster cover that taste, but offer power you can actually use most of on a daily. The cost between the MT-10 and GSX-S1000 is $2800 in the USA for 2024.
Mt10 is a class above the other 2
Great video chops
As good as the MT10 is, once you step out of Japan, it’s completely out classed in the heavyweight naked segment (Super Duke, Streetfighter V4, Speed Triple, etc.)
@@madrat5176 yes that's true, but it's probably cheaper (alot in some cases) than the euro competition.
It you spend the change on the MT10 how would it compare?
@@thedriverofallthings It’s incredibly well priced for sure and a ton of bike for the money. I guess I’m spoiled by my Italian counterpart
@@madrat5176 I'm sure if you full system, map and do some suspension mods and maybe some light weight wheels and you will have a truly savage bike
Na Suzuki appleyards are knocking theses out at £10298 on the road , cartridge kit new shock remap £1500 , piss all over mt10 , what people forget it's alright these fuckers playing catch up in a straight line but the tight stuff the Suz will put its power down better , mt10 relies on electronic suite , too much torque , but saying that a well ridden sv 650 will piss both
You should include the MT09 in your upcoming middle weight comparo.
Great video looking forward to your reviews on the xsr 900.
the CB1000R is one of my favorite bikes.
I've had all of these bikes. Honda 2, months, GSXS 8 months, MT-10 9 months. The Honda to me is very numb, but nice looking, the Suzuki was so nice, its a daily, great and not mental. MT-10, I
I'm keeping this, STD mode, loads of pull, chassis is so good. A mode, wow,
The styling on the MT10 is totally marmite and I'm in the 🤑 camp. For my tastes it's lairy, garish ....it would wear orange trainers!
I have made this comment before, but an XSR1000 would address the looks issue with the MT10, and the comparison between XSr900 and MT09 suggests the former might be the better bike to ride of those two.
I've actually started liking the looks of the new gen mt10
Susuki is the way to go, cheap BUT SAME POWER. I think looks wise the Mt10 looks better.
Nice one, guys !
Did you check the front tyre pressure on the Honda? An under inflated tyre can make it feel like the bike tips in suddenly on corners...
Thanks for posting. What happened to your promised Guzzi’s Mandello vs BMW 1250RS comparison, Mr. Chops?
Yes still in the pipe 👍
Lets be honest. The CB and the suzuki have absolutely no buisness competing with the MT10😂 different levels
great review guys!!
Great Vid, i own a 2016 GSX S1000 and i found the front tyre profiles of different makes of tyres changes the handling characteristics, were the tyres on both bikes the same brand and model.
For mostly pootling around its the Honda for me
Save £4k,buy a GSX-S950, take it to Maxton and buy a Power Commander/pipe(grinder/£40 mid pipe/Lextek can), pootle all you want on your free 3 weeks in southern Europe?
Seen in a forum exchange:
Q: "Hey, this MT10 I just got hit reserve after just 150 km....? Does it really guzzle fuel like that"?
A: "Ok but those are 150 km ON WHEELIES"
That pretty much said it all :D
Great video. My only point of criticism is how small the text for the key specs were for phone viewers. I had to pause the video, take a screenshot, and zoom it in to read it. Fantastic video otherwise and I have a much better idea of what bike I’m going to get this summer.
CB1000R all day long.
The motor is bland, compared to the mt10.
@mark simpson agree about the engine Mark. But there are other factors to consider, like looks, daily usability, personal comfort, price, and so on.
Alex.
Great video, just one thing I'd like to mention is the bike details are so small on the pop up 😂 im watching on a huge tv and i still cant read it haha. Love the format and like the new LCR effects
the mt10, tuono, SDR comparative test is a must (please)!!!!!!
MT10Sp vs. Superduke vs. Speed Triple RS/RR please.
Just look at Andycame he found his Honda fantastic on corners, yes the Honda does tip in but that allows it to out corner the other bike , yes it’s slower but it only has 140 hp . I think you made your mind up before you even rode it. The Honda will out corner the other two.
Sorry absolutely not, I've ridden the Honda many times now and it's not as fine a handling machine as the other two.
Quick tip in typically means more weight on and twitchy front. Usually less stable mid corner and esp corner exit.
Hooligan Spirit won the game 😉 although I think those three don’t have the same target (neoretro / supernaked / « budget big 1000 all rounder »)
Looking forward to your MT10 SP vs Tuono V4 vs Streetfighter V4 vs S1000R vs SuperDuke 🤩🤩🤩
When you've decided between the mt10sp, super duke and Tuono.... You'll have to put the winner of that against the street fighter v4 and s1000r (or m1000r).
Another great video, guys. The MT10 I think I would go for, but I know what you mean about the looks, It is a bit like the Fly from the front! I must say I loved the original R1 engine, and thought it was the best engine in any vehicle that I have ever owned, that’s cars and bikes, and I’m 68, so I’ve owned a few, Look forward to your next video!!
Cracking video boys, really enjoyed and that MT10 looks amazing