Jack Johnson was one of the bravest men in history. He not only dominated boxing. He dominated life. Never let any man put him down. And for that he is an AMERICAN HERO
Awesome film of a historical sports event. It is the best film you will find of anything that happened over one hundred years ago. Watched it on 4-19-2020.
@@grawakendream8980 lol dude he was shot, “biological prime” is done by 35 anyways, he lost all his muscle and ballooned in weight on retirement. Jack Johnson himself stated Jeffries was a shell of himself and he knew it coming in, Jack Johnson also highly rated Jeffries and claimed that HE was the greatest in the 40s and could have beat himself, Joe Louis and Dempsey in his prime which I was really surprised to read. The fact Johnson held Jeffries quality as a fighter in such high regard is really something. Jeffries doctor, close friends and particularly Joe Choynski who knew both Johnson and Jeffries knew he was a goner and shot to pieces, Jeffries actually cried before he got in the ring according to sources because he just didn’t have it anymore
@@JeffPenaify you're just going with all the stuff that confirms your biases imo. johnson said in his biography that jeffries was in the best shape of his life. someone also wrote an account of him getting sad when someone said jeff had gotten into form. jeff looks healthy on the film. he just met a better fighter that's all imo
Waaoo. But how were they able to preserve such nice video? Secondly, Jack Johnson must have the heart of iron to have withstood such period of "legal" racism in USA, to be champions.
That fight occurred on America's Day of Independence on 4 July 1910 with James Jeffries the "Great White Hope" to end champion Jack Johnson's unbeaten run which stood for nine years.But alas it was not to be as Jeffries suffered the only defeat of his boxing career going down to Johnson.
Jeffries was retired for 6 years and living on a farm. People had written him hundreds of letters begging him to come out of retirement to fight Johnson. He didn’t want to and he said no many times. He finally caved.
True, but I also think Jack Johnson being knocked down by Stanley Ketchel had something to do with it. If a middleweight could hurt Johnson, surely Jefferies would have no problem, despite the 6 year layoff.
1. main point was that Jeffries fighting after 6 yrs retirement 2. in 1903 Johnson koed only some Joe Butler according to wiki 3. Jeffried retired in 1905, and in 03-04 had title fights
@@TheBatugan77 Possibly he could have, unfortunately there was no film in those days to compare styles. But make no mistake, Sullivan was way past his prime when he fought Corbett. Corbett was like Mayweather, he was slippery and avoided Sullivan's rushes until Sullivan was gassed.
Made it hard for the racists and their rhetoric when halfway through all of the fans are overhearing Jack beating on Jim... “you punch like a girl!... how are you the one to beat???”... lol. I love Jack Johnson. He is perhaps my favorite boxer ever. Tyson is up there with him.
Tyson was good, very good but the heavyweight division was pretty poor when he won the title. I'm not sure he would have become champion if he had to challenge Lewis or Holyfield
@@frankierandle8779 at his prime, it’s my belief he was the greatest. At his prime tho. Short bulldog. I do get what you’re saying and somewhat agree, but damn it’s still exciting to watch.
@@jerseymusicman3332 Totally electrifying to watch yes , you dare not blink! It would have been interesting to see him fight a peak larry holmes though or Lewis, Holyfield etc. In the 90's when Tyson had reclaimed the title from Bruno he paid Lewis $4m to step aside as mandatory challenger so the tyson of the 90's was not the same as the 80's tyson. I think he should have defended the title 4 or 5 times and retired with a shed full of cash. Instead he lost focus, stopped doing the roadwork, stopped moving his head and lost. With the help of Don King he went on for too long.
Johnson was smart, he waited to fight Jeffries after Jeffries was out of boxing 6 years and lost 100 pounds without a tune-up fight. Pretty stupid of Jeffries, but $100,000 was a lot of money in those days.
@@jerseymusicman3332 Mike in his absolute best was when he won the title and the few years when he beat Holmes, spinks and Frazier. The partying got him after that. But between those years he was simply unbeatable.
In so many ways,boxers have become so much better, they're also a lot bigger.However,the grit these guys fought with was impressive,despite inferior training, equipment and rules.
Jeffries sparring partner Joe Chovinsky is very interesting to hear more about, I will look for info about him, knocked out the future champion Jack Johnson and 20 rounds with Jeffries, Chovinsky must have been something special, thxs for knowledge about him
Jeffries never wanted this fight. He was pressured into taking it. James J was no fool. He knew he was out of shape and too old to be fighting a supreme talent like Jack Johnson whod have likely been too much for him at his best. Comments credited to Jeffries about Johnson are unreliable. So dont be too unkind to him. He was the King in his time and simply wanted to remain on his farm growing fat and old.
Well maybe Jeffries was pushed into fighting Johnson and coming out of retirement, but he fell for that great white hope crap that pd his ego and made him feel he was still invincible
Jeffries já não era mais um jovem nessa luta... ao contrário de Johnson, que pelas imagens parecia mais moço. Ele resistiu bem... caiu no 15° round. Acho que naquela época, comecinho do século 20, as lutas iam até um dos adversários ser nocauteado ou desistir, ou seja, poderia durar até mais de 20... 30... rounds. Uau, haja preparo físico!!!
Ive said it over and over again. You have to judge and rate people during there times. They style in Jacks day was to clinch and fight. People didnt have tvs so fighters never went for the quick KO. People wanted there money worth. Plus Jack like toying with his men. He wanted to show that blacks had heart and could go 20 rounds. Back then whites thought black were weak, lazy, and could take punches to the body. So jace would carry these men in the late rounds and then take em out.
If you examine history you should clearly see that Johnosn was hardly considered a serious contender by jeffries or by boxing promoters in the years prior to Jeffreis retirement in 1905.. Johnson prior to 1905 had yet to reach his peak as a fighter. With ko losses to Kondyke Haynes, Joe Choynski and a decision loss to a very average Marvin Hart, Johnson's clamer for a title shot at that time was not seriously considered. He certianly did earn his shot in the years that followed.
Ok 35.But anyway Jeffries was a retired boxer.This fight was 6 years after his retirement.He weighted about 245 pounds just 3 months before fight, or so. Drew colour line on Jackson? Where do you get that information?
Jack Johnson lost 3 fights and fought to 6 draws during Jeffries reign, doesn't sound like a top contender to me. Johnson lost to forgotten Champ Marvin Hart in 1905. But 3 years later, was who we all see here.
damn,you're right,a hopeless scenario.The pressure to depose Johnson must have been tremendous,and the incentives vast,to have proceeded so quickly,and basically unprepared.i think Jeff lived long despite all of his excesses?
Besides collecting what was, I imagine, a much welcomed pay check, Jeffries must also have been grateful for returning to a more enjoyable physical condition.
Jeffries state’s after the fight that he couldn’t have beaten Johnson at his best. And Johnson was old and out of shape against Willard, BUT, would have beaten him in a rematch that never happened. He’d have trained for that fight.
@@vgr112261 Jefferies was old and 6 years out in retirement. You honestly going down this train of thought? Because in all fairness a prime Jefferies would have been a good fight and probably beat Johnson. But a man who was 300lb+ only half a year before the fight is nothing to take pride in beating. End of the day both these men ducked Langford who is arguable better than both of them.
In my mind, it does. Styles make fights, and big, strong, long reach Willard was a perfect foil for Johnson's hold and hit style. Johnson couldn't reach him, and got knocked out by Willard, a guy most historians think was not a great champion. Regarding Jeffries, he was a rough guy, you could make the case that a younger version of Jeffries may beat Johnson, but Jeff's style of crouching and coming forward was perfectly made for Johnson's uppercut.
@@vgr112261 So Johnson being old and out of shape excuses a Willard loss, but Jeffries being out of the ring for 6 years and losing 100 pounds with no tune-up fights makes Johnson better? Remember Larry Holmes vs Mike Tyson? Same thing. A prime Holmes boxes Tyson's ears off.
Big difference between an athletic healthy 226Lb 30-yr-old, & an inactive, fat 37-yr-old losing 100+Lbs to 226. Jeffries might've fought better fat: His muscle-loss cost him his major attribute: strength, while dehydration slowed him & killed his endurance. Add in the skill-deterioration of 7-yr lay-off & Jack's victory's no great feat. Jack may well have even beaten Jeff at his best, but it'd be a very different fight, w/Jack relying more on his great defense, most likely for a decision.
i dont after gaining to 336lbs that a man can ever be any where near peak shape ever again,even at 226lbs.Sure you can be in good shape perhaps but not peak fighting shape after all that prior abuse with food.
Very true. Jeffries physique looked like a newly divorced guy who lost a lot of weight to get back in the dating game. Not near the muscle he had while he was champ.
If you examine the history, you see clearly that Jefferies dodged Johnson during his reign as champ. Granted, Jefferies had everything to lose and little to gain to make such a contest, but, it will be one of those great match ups that never occured. Personally, I believe Jefferies in his prime knew he had no chance against a hungry, focused, top conditioned Johnson.
Jeffries had not fought since August 1904, six years before. He was a faded shell of his former self, much like the version of Johnson that would later lose to Jess Willard. Most experts stated that Tommy Burns had put up a better fight than Jeff was able to.
The Whites at the ringside were so incensed and apparently angered at champion Jack Johnson going for the kill even after he had sent down James J.Jeffries twice.They were shocked and disbelieved that the undefeated Jeffries had failed to dethrone Johnson and end his unbeaten run. For Jeffries who retired undefeated from 1899-1904 it was indeed a great mistake of him to make a comeback to challenge Johnson for the crown. Jeffries had not boxed professionally or competitively for six long years but was coerced out of retirement by overzealous whites who wanted to see an end to Jack Johnson's reign as the world champion. But the James J.Jeffries of 1910 was not the same boxer who last fought in 1904 and retired undefeated.This James Jeffries was out of shaped and past his prime.It came as a no surprised that Johnson knocked him thrice in the 15th round to send Jeffries crashing to his only defeat.
@@TheBatugan77 yes that's me and that's fine for you to refer to me like that.But then you should remember that Jack Johnson boxed in an era when the Whites frown upon the Blacks.This was in the early 20th century.No doubt that soon changed when Joe Louis became the champion.
For peoples that are saying they are just hugging around it’s a technique an needed to not get your head knocked off boxing in these days was a whole bother art
That's a good question! Let's just say I would have paid to see that one. Both in their prime I might go with JJ by decision. Wills was probably the harder puncher who could possibly have hurt Johnson if he connected. If he connected though. JJ's defense was air tight in his prime.
Peak vs peak, Johnson beats Jeffires.Both Jeffries. Dempsey didn't throw fight. He was knocked out by a 39 year old Flynn that Johnson handled easy twice.So what if he beat Flynn who was in his forties in rematch. Reality is Dempsey avoided Wills. That;s reality for you. Reality is Dempsey dominated a watered down era. Tough black opponents weren't allowed to compete. The old handy color line ensured Dempsey watered down reign.
@andrewr62 We can -not- see fighters' limitations on these old films.Virtually all of the seemingly apparent differences between fighters then & now is actually the nature of the film itself.
@whit:K's are conservative & cautious.They'd wait for JJ to make a mistake & then knock him out. But the only mistake Jack might make is going in for the kill. If JJ scouted the fight, he'd know the K's don't get tired or frustrated, they just wait for their chance. There'd be -no- "right moment" for him to try & knock them out. JJ's a defensive genius. If he stick to 'd', & picks shots wisely, he hits more than he gets hit. K's get points for aggression, but not aggressive enough. JJ by SD.
In 1917 absolutely. IIn Dempsey's prime no way. Certainluy not buy 1924 when the Wills v Demspey fight was proposed. Think about it Firpo was beaten by Wills unofficially. But Firpo was never off his feet and went the distance with Wills. This clearly shows how much Wills had faded by the 1920's. He's prime was durinng Johnson and Willards era. To bad Johnson drew the color line as champion. Wills would have thrashed him.
I disagree. Dempsey even signed a contract to fight Wills, tickets were printed and a venue was secured only to have Rickard under political pressure squash the fight. In lieu of Sharkey's later thrashing of Wills Dempsey had little to fear from Wills anyway.
@1899sharkey No I'm not blind, I can plainly se from the films, (though you refuse to) the limitations of turn of the century fighers. As for the rule differences it's a matter of interpretation of those rules. The clinching I've seen especially by fighters like Johnson would be considered excess holding today. His constant hitting on the breaks would not be allowed today as well. Johnson's right upper cut on the break seemed to bde his greatest weapon.
Prime Jeffries offered to fight Johnson in a cellar, no rules, winner take all (money, not title). Johnson wisely refused as Jeffries would have mopped the floor with him.
Yeah he was such good friends with his sparring partners that he drew color line on them. Google Dempsey drawing color line on Big Tate. With friends like that, who needs enemies?
Well,then good,he was famous,and carried the honor of a being a special HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD,during a huge period of the sport.The man fit,looked stronger than Liston easily in my view,fast and strong as an ox.The only footage ive seen of him is Johnson which is a shame as his comeback, that whole white hope thing,his terrible loss etc.,hides the truth about Jeffs real merits i think.
You are incorrect. Dempsey's manager was Doc Kearns. Tex Richard was the Don King of his day, the premier promoter. This same Doc Kearns was sued over the violence that occurred as the result of his promotion of the Jeffres v Johnson fight. No way Rickard was ever going to promote another mixed race title fight. The color line had much more to do with politcal pressure than anything else.
Jeffries made a comeback after almost 6 years retirement for this fight. He weighed over 330 pounds when the fight was agreed and had to lose 110 pounds (some sources say only 70 lbs) in weight in a relatively short period of time. It was his only loss.. In his brief - by todays standards - career, he beat some of the greatest - Peter Jackson, Bob Fitzsimmons (twice), Tom Sharkey (twice), James Corbett.
Oh sure the public got so tired of waiting Dempsey just continue to draw the biggest gates in boxing history. Dempsey had nothing to fear from Wills. He was already 30 when Dempsey won the title. It was niether predjuice (which Dempsey was not) orfear that prevented the Wills fight. It was pure and simple politcis.
Jack the First, yet in other videos they say there was a color line drawn. Makes you wonder if that was true or not. maybe the money was not right of maybe this was just to some. Watching Jack fight small men really makes him look good. That is how he got his reputation as a great fighter, fighting smaller men. When he got in the ring with Jess W he got his butt kicked easily. Jess exposed Jacks flaws as a fighter. His skill just was not there, he was highly overrated. Had he fought more big men and won. He would be a great fighter. what I see is over hyped and lacking in many skills.
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Jack Johnson was one of the bravest men in history. He not only dominated boxing. He dominated life. Never let any man put him down. And for that he is an AMERICAN HERO
True. Those were times were black people were still lynched
I hate people saying "boxing was less evolved back then". Boxing was different.
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This narrator has been to every single major fight in history.
He's amazing. My hero.
Maybe some kin to that one guy who always seems to narrate all the "world's greatest police chase " videos.
WHO IS THIS NOTED RINGSIDE NARRATOR?
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@@jesusapolicarpio-delacruz3851 That's Jim Jacobs, a notable boxing historian. He used to manage Mike Tyson.
Awesome film of a historical sports event. It is the best film you will find of anything that happened over one hundred years ago. Watched it on 4-19-2020.
Exactly what I thought
Johnson was a beast. Easily the best HW of his era.
unbelievable Jeffries lost 100 lbs and was still strong enough to get in the ring, aft 5-6 yrs of inactivity.
he wasnt an invalid. guy was still in his biological prime
@@grawakendream8980 but nowhere near his fighting prime
@@loyaldude10 i think he was
@@grawakendream8980 lol dude he was shot, “biological prime” is done by 35 anyways, he lost all his muscle and ballooned in weight on retirement. Jack Johnson himself stated Jeffries was a shell of himself and he knew it coming in, Jack Johnson also highly rated Jeffries and claimed that HE was the greatest in the 40s and could have beat himself, Joe Louis and Dempsey in his prime which I was really surprised to read. The fact Johnson held Jeffries quality as a fighter in such high regard is really something. Jeffries doctor, close friends and particularly Joe Choynski who knew both Johnson and Jeffries knew he was a goner and shot to pieces, Jeffries actually cried before he got in the ring according to sources because he just didn’t have it anymore
@@JeffPenaify you're just going with all the stuff that confirms your biases imo. johnson said in his biography that jeffries was in the best shape of his life. someone also wrote an account of him getting sad when someone said jeff had gotten into form. jeff looks healthy on the film. he just met a better fighter that's all imo
Waaoo. But how were they able to preserve such nice video?
Secondly, Jack Johnson must have the heart of iron to have withstood such period of "legal" racism in USA, to be champions.
That fight occurred on America's Day of Independence on 4 July 1910 with James Jeffries the "Great White Hope" to end champion Jack Johnson's unbeaten run which stood for nine years.But alas it was not to be as Jeffries suffered the only defeat of his boxing career going down to Johnson.
My theory is, these fighters could eat and drink anywhere for free, and took full advantage of the opportunity.
Jeffries was retired for 6 years and living on a farm. People had written him hundreds of letters begging him to come out of retirement to fight Johnson. He didn’t want to and he said no many times. He finally caved.
True, but I also think Jack Johnson being knocked down by Stanley Ketchel had something to do with it. If a middleweight could hurt Johnson, surely Jefferies would have no problem, despite the 6 year layoff.
1. main point was that Jeffries fighting after 6 yrs retirement
2. in 1903 Johnson koed only some Joe Butler according to wiki
3. Jeffried retired in 1905, and in 03-04 had title fights
well said - yes Jeffries was out of shape - why even get in the ring with the new kid - when you are tired out to begin with - ?
@@hollywoodjoe123 because they offered him a lot of money $100,000 which was the equivalent over 3 million back then
@Tr0llinator what? which one? you mean the full screen?
@Tr0llinator what is this 1911 button i keep hearing about?
The colorline was also drawn by John L Sullivan and his refusal to fight Peter Jackson.
I think Jackson drew in a 60 round fight with Corbett, before Corbett was champ. He could have beaten Sullivan.
@@TheBatugan77 Possibly he could have, unfortunately there was no film in those days to compare styles. But make no mistake, Sullivan was way past his prime when he fought Corbett. Corbett was like Mayweather, he was slippery and avoided Sullivan's rushes until Sullivan was gassed.
And Jack Johnson himself who refused to defend against any black fighters
Jefferies was a shadow of his younger self..Not taking anything away from Johnson..He was a great heavyweight indeed..
Made it hard for the racists and their rhetoric when halfway through all of the fans are overhearing Jack beating on Jim... “you punch like a girl!... how are you the one to beat???”... lol. I love Jack Johnson. He is perhaps my favorite boxer ever. Tyson is up there with him.
Tyson was good, very good but the heavyweight division was pretty poor when he won the title. I'm not sure he would have become champion if he had to challenge Lewis or Holyfield
@@frankierandle8779 at his prime, it’s my belief he was the greatest. At his prime tho. Short bulldog. I do get what you’re saying and somewhat agree, but damn it’s still exciting to watch.
@@jerseymusicman3332 Totally electrifying to watch yes , you dare not blink! It would have been interesting to see him fight a peak larry holmes though or Lewis, Holyfield etc. In the 90's when Tyson had reclaimed the title from Bruno he paid Lewis $4m to step aside as mandatory challenger so the tyson of the 90's was not the same as the 80's tyson.
I think he should have defended the title 4 or 5 times and retired with a shed full of cash. Instead he lost focus, stopped doing the roadwork, stopped moving his head and lost. With the help of Don King he went on for too long.
Johnson was smart, he waited to fight Jeffries after Jeffries was out of boxing 6 years and lost 100 pounds without a tune-up fight. Pretty stupid of Jeffries, but $100,000 was a lot of money in those days.
@@jerseymusicman3332 Mike in his absolute best was when he won the title and the few years when he beat Holmes, spinks and Frazier. The partying got him after that. But between those years he was simply unbeatable.
Very beautiful match..
1:00 John L. Sullivan!
In so many ways,boxers have become so much better, they're also a lot bigger.However,the grit these guys fought with was impressive,despite inferior training, equipment and rules.
Anyone know where i can see the full fight on here?
Yes.
this is when the 1911 feature on youtube makes sense!
Jeffries sparring partner Joe Chovinsky is very interesting to hear more about, I will look for info about him, knocked out the future champion Jack Johnson and 20 rounds with Jeffries, Chovinsky must have been something special, thxs for knowledge about him
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*That kick in the ass of Jim Jeffries did not help him much.*
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It was the referee.
JACK JOHNSON, is like a Messiah figure, in ancient times when the greatest worrier was king JACK Johnson would have been the King.
Hence why he refused to defend the title against any black fighters
@@rebelliousredneckvlogs Maybe because he enjoyed beating up white boys 👦
Jeffries never wanted this fight. He was pressured into taking it. James J was no fool. He knew he was out of shape and too old to be fighting a supreme talent like Jack Johnson whod have likely been too much for him at his best. Comments credited to Jeffries about Johnson are unreliable. So dont be too unkind to him. He was the King in his time and simply wanted to remain on his farm growing fat and old.
Well maybe Jeffries was pushed into fighting Johnson and coming out of retirement, but he fell for that great white hope crap that pd his ego and made him feel he was still invincible
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Stop the Bullshit, jonny
@@TheBatugan77 He's telling the truth. These people couldn't stand a black man being champion of anything.
This is the Goat john Arthur Johnson. It doesn't matter who it is. Jack Johnson is the 🐐
Jeffries já não era mais um jovem nessa luta... ao contrário de Johnson, que pelas imagens parecia mais moço. Ele resistiu bem... caiu no 15° round. Acho que naquela época, comecinho do século 20, as lutas iam até um dos adversários ser nocauteado ou desistir, ou seja, poderia durar até mais de 20... 30... rounds. Uau, haja preparo físico!!!
Ive said it over and over again. You have to judge and rate people during there times. They style in Jacks day was to clinch and fight. People didnt have tvs so fighters never went for the quick KO. People wanted there money worth. Plus Jack like toying with his men. He wanted to show that blacks had heart and could go 20 rounds. Back then whites thought black were weak, lazy, and could take punches to the body. So jace would carry these men in the late rounds and then take em out.
@nandansho Correction, Johnson did not invent the wrench. He filed for and was granted a patent
for a modification of the wrench.
If you examine history you should clearly see that Johnosn was hardly considered a serious contender by jeffries or by boxing promoters in the years prior to Jeffreis retirement in 1905.. Johnson prior to 1905 had yet to reach his peak as a fighter. With ko losses to Kondyke Haynes, Joe Choynski and a decision loss to a very average Marvin Hart, Johnson's clamer for a title shot at that time was not seriously considered. He certianly did earn his shot in the years that followed.
he was robbed vs hart
Ok 35.But anyway Jeffries was a retired boxer.This fight was 6 years after his retirement.He weighted about 245 pounds just 3 months before fight, or so.
Drew colour line on Jackson? Where do you get that information?
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Right on man... That sounds about right. But I gotta say man, you had me going with that Sugar Ray stuff. LOL.
Jack Johnson lost 3 fights and fought to 6 draws during Jeffries reign, doesn't sound like a top contender to me.
Johnson lost to forgotten Champ Marvin Hart in 1905. But 3 years later, was who we all see here.
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This commentator must have lived to be 120-125 years old. He was at every major title fight...ever.
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I actually loved playing handball back in the day. Great workout too!
I sometimes forget about Sugar being a middle weight at time. But I do concur. Robinson ways clearly the best.
So true Spadge. Don't pay Crember no mind. He doesn't know much about early boxing history nor does it know much about modern boxing history.
damn,you're right,a hopeless scenario.The pressure to depose Johnson must have been tremendous,and the incentives vast,to have proceeded so quickly,and basically unprepared.i think Jeff lived long despite all of his excesses?
Besides collecting what was, I imagine, a much welcomed pay check, Jeffries must also have been grateful for returning to a more enjoyable physical condition.
Frank Gotch was announced to the crowd before the fight. Pro wrestling = beast mode during this time period.
Bernkastel back in the legit catch wrestling days
they tried to get a fight by training gotch in boxing to fight johnson so desperate were they for white hopes
So if this proves Johnson superior to Jeffries, does Willard's KO prove him superior to Johnson?
Jeffries state’s after the fight that he couldn’t have beaten Johnson at his best.
And Johnson was old and out of shape against Willard, BUT, would have beaten him in a rematch that never happened. He’d have trained for that fight.
@@vgr112261 Jefferies was old and 6 years out in retirement. You honestly going down this train of thought? Because in all fairness a prime Jefferies would have been a good fight and probably beat Johnson. But a man who was 300lb+ only half a year before the fight is nothing to take pride in beating. End of the day both these men ducked Langford who is arguable better than both of them.
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Bingo!
In my mind, it does. Styles make fights, and big, strong, long reach Willard was a perfect foil for Johnson's hold and hit style. Johnson couldn't reach him, and got knocked out by Willard, a guy most historians think was not a great champion. Regarding Jeffries, he was a rough guy, you could make the case that a younger version of Jeffries may beat Johnson, but Jeff's style of crouching and coming forward was perfectly made for Johnson's uppercut.
@@vgr112261 So Johnson being old and out of shape excuses a Willard loss, but Jeffries being out of the ring for 6 years and losing 100 pounds with no tune-up fights makes Johnson better? Remember Larry Holmes vs Mike Tyson? Same thing. A prime Holmes boxes Tyson's ears off.
Big difference between an athletic healthy 226Lb 30-yr-old, & an inactive, fat 37-yr-old losing 100+Lbs to 226. Jeffries might've fought better fat: His muscle-loss cost him his major attribute: strength, while dehydration slowed him & killed his endurance. Add in the skill-deterioration of 7-yr lay-off & Jack's victory's no great feat. Jack may well have even beaten Jeff at his best, but it'd be a very different fight, w/Jack relying more on his great defense, most likely for a decision.
Would of been a different fight for sure. Pity their peaks were a few years apart
i dont after gaining to 336lbs that a man can ever be any where near peak shape ever again,even at 226lbs.Sure you can be in good shape perhaps but not peak fighting shape after all that prior abuse with food.
Very true. Jeffries physique looked like a newly divorced guy who lost a lot of weight to get back in the dating game. Not near the muscle he had while he was champ.
If you examine the history, you see clearly that Jefferies dodged Johnson during his reign as champ. Granted, Jefferies had everything to lose and little to gain to make such a contest, but, it will be one of those great match ups that never occured. Personally, I believe Jefferies in his prime knew he had no chance against a hungry, focused, top conditioned Johnson.
Johnson had his chance to boost himself as a contender when he fought Marvin Hart and lost the decision and looked terrible.
Jeffries had not fought since August 1904, six years before. He was a faded shell of his former self, much like the version of Johnson that would later lose to Jess Willard. Most experts stated that Tommy Burns had put up a better fight than Jeff was able to.
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it is located on the bottom right of the video
110 degrees! crazy!
Now you see what we are dealing with.
Yeah. You.
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The Whites at the ringside were so incensed and apparently angered at champion Jack Johnson going for the kill even after he had sent down James J.Jeffries twice.They were shocked and disbelieved that the undefeated Jeffries had failed to dethrone Johnson and end his unbeaten run.
For Jeffries who retired undefeated from 1899-1904 it was indeed a great mistake of him to make a comeback to challenge Johnson for the crown.
Jeffries had not boxed professionally or competitively for six long years but was coerced out of retirement by overzealous whites who wanted to see an end to Jack Johnson's reign as the world champion.
But the James J.Jeffries of 1910 was not the same boxer who last fought in 1904 and retired undefeated.This James Jeffries was out of shaped and past his prime.It came as a no surprised that Johnson knocked him thrice in the 15th round to send Jeffries crashing to his only defeat.
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@@TheBatugan77 yes that's me and that's fine for you to refer to me like that.But then you should remember that Jack Johnson boxed in an era when the Whites frown upon the Blacks.This was in the early 20th century.No doubt that soon changed when Joe Louis became the champion.
@@TheBatugan77 be a "Kwai Chai" and try to behave yourself.
For peoples that are saying they are just hugging around it’s a technique an needed to not get your head knocked off boxing in these days was a whole bother art
That's a good question! Let's just say I would have paid to see that one. Both in their prime I might go with JJ by decision. Wills was probably the harder puncher who could
possibly have hurt Johnson if he connected. If he connected though. JJ's defense was
air tight in his prime.
So you pick JJ over JJ?
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Peak vs peak, Johnson beats Jeffires.Both Jeffries. Dempsey didn't throw fight. He was knocked out by a 39 year old Flynn that Johnson handled easy twice.So what if he beat Flynn who was in his forties in rematch. Reality is Dempsey avoided Wills. That;s reality for you. Reality is Dempsey dominated a watered down era. Tough black opponents weren't allowed to compete. The old handy color line ensured Dempsey watered down reign.
I watched Jonson vs Dempsey, it was an easy win for Johnson
"The Boston tar baby?!?!?!?"
Yeah. Boston Tar Baby.
Catchy, eh?
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Fans brought him back up to fight LOL
Lmaoooo
"affectionately" called the Boston tar baby? 🤨🤨
Yep.
@andrewr62 We can -not- see fighters' limitations on these old films.Virtually all of the seemingly apparent differences between fighters then & now is actually the nature of the film itself.
Dempsey would return the favor a year later.
when u lose all that weigh u get weak in the later rounds i use to box....
The original black mamba
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it is the greatest button EVER!!!!
looks like original version of come dancing
I watch this video with the 1911 button clicked
@whit:K's are conservative & cautious.They'd wait for JJ to make a mistake & then knock him out. But the only mistake Jack might make is going in for the kill. If JJ scouted the fight, he'd know the K's don't get tired or frustrated, they just wait for their chance. There'd be -no- "right moment" for him to try & knock them out. JJ's a defensive genius. If he stick to 'd', & picks shots wisely, he hits more than he gets hit. K's get points for aggression, but not aggressive enough. JJ by SD.
Jack Johnson number 1
In 1917 absolutely. IIn Dempsey's prime no way. Certainluy not buy 1924 when the Wills v Demspey fight was proposed. Think about it Firpo was beaten by Wills
unofficially. But Firpo was never off his feet and went the distance with Wills. This clearly shows how much Wills had faded by the 1920's. He's prime was durinng Johnson and Willards era. To bad Johnson drew the color line as champion. Wills
would have thrashed him.
@treydavis28 I meant in the crow :( lol
@Surannhealz nice 1
I disagree. Dempsey even signed a contract to fight Wills, tickets were printed and a venue was secured only to have Rickard under political pressure
squash the fight. In lieu of Sharkey's later thrashing of Wills Dempsey had little to
fear from Wills anyway.
@1899sharkey No I'm not blind, I can plainly se from the films, (though you refuse to) the limitations of turn of the century fighers. As for the rule differences it's a matter of interpretation of those rules. The clinching I've seen especially by fighters like Johnson would be considered excess holding today. His constant hitting on the breaks would not be allowed today as well. Johnson's right upper cut on the break seemed to bde his greatest weapon.
what breaks
Flynn went on to knock out a 21 year old Dempsey in 1.
You mean when his brother threw the towel in?
@TrapMansLoad Except Willard or little way over the hill Joy Choynski who KO'd
Johnson early on.
Goods Jack Johnson
lol, mr.0467 you totally wrong :3
Man dey move feeeeast in dose dais.
Hand-wound cameras in those days.
Are you serious? Johnson played with Jeffries. He was getting even for all t he years Jeffries ducked him. Johnson could of taken him out at will.
Ducked him?
Johnson lost to Marvin Hart and Joe Jeanette in 1905! Nobody gets a shot at the title losing fights
Prime Jeffries offered to fight Johnson in a cellar, no rules, winner take all (money, not title). Johnson wisely refused as Jeffries would have mopped the floor with him.
@@ishatype2764 Cap. Jeffries refused to give a title shot to Johnson. Johnson beats the shit out of Jeffries.
@@SimplyThatGuy12 Johnson refused to give a title shot to black boxers. Willard beats the shit out of Johnson.
3:31 Jim Jeffries.. The original dog whisperer.
Yeah he was such good friends with his sparring partners that he drew color line on them. Google Dempsey drawing color line on Big Tate. With friends like that, who needs enemies?
You mean Johnson and his refusal to defend against any black fighters? At least Dempsey signed for wills twice.
BOXE 🥊 1918
It Says Moore punched harder than Foreman. That Lastarza SD s Tua.
wow...this is 1910....
2020 july 4
Well,then good,he was famous,and carried the honor of a being a special HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD,during a huge period of the sport.The man fit,looked stronger than Liston easily in my view,fast and strong as an ox.The only footage ive seen of him is Johnson which is a shame as his comeback, that whole white hope thing,his terrible loss etc.,hides the truth about Jeffs real merits i think.
You are incorrect. Dempsey's manager was Doc Kearns. Tex Richard was the Don King of his day, the premier promoter. This same Doc Kearns was sued over the violence that occurred as the result of his promotion of the Jeffres v Johnson fight. No way Rickard was ever going to promote another mixed race title fight. The color line had much more to do with politcal pressure than anything else.
How about prime Tom Sharkey vs prime Langford?
Sam would've knocked Sharkey out in two rounds or less. Just like Fitzsimmons did.
Referees of that time were cowards or they didn't know how to stop a fight.
Men were men.
Not pussified pansy pantywaist pissants like you, one4none.
Tex Rickard was the referee/promoter. Who couldn't find a referee Johnson/Jeffries could agree on. He never refereed again.
Jeffries made a comeback after almost 6 years retirement for this fight. He weighed over 330 pounds when the fight was agreed and had to lose 110 pounds (some sources say only 70 lbs) in weight in a relatively short period of time. It was his only loss.. In his brief - by todays standards - career, he beat some of the greatest - Peter Jackson, Bob Fitzsimmons (twice), Tom Sharkey (twice), James Corbett.
Ya but he lost when he fought a black man
Looks like a lot of clinching. I suppose that can be expected when you have to fight 45 rounds in the middle of the dessert in the summer.
When I'm in the middle of a dessert it means I'm halfway through consuming a piece of chocolate cake.
The great black hope.
cool
If William Howard Taft HAD refereed this fight, Johnson & Jefferies would've been fighting in a sink-hole!!...😃
Oh sure the public got so tired of waiting Dempsey just continue to draw the biggest gates in boxing history. Dempsey had nothing to fear from Wills. He was already 30 when Dempsey won the title. It was niether predjuice (which Dempsey was not) orfear that prevented the Wills fight. It was pure and simple politcis.
Monzon is good...but he was no Sugar Ray Robinson. He's the reason we have pound for pound rank.
@1899sharkey I watched the documentary too
Jack the First, yet in other videos they say there was a color line drawn. Makes you wonder if that was true or not. maybe the money was not right of maybe this was just to some. Watching Jack fight small men really makes him look good. That is how he got his reputation as a great fighter, fighting smaller men. When he got in the ring with Jess W he got his butt kicked easily. Jess exposed Jacks flaws as a fighter. His skill just was not there, he was highly overrated. Had he fought more big men and won. He would be a great fighter. what I see is over hyped and lacking in many skills.
Jack Johnson Ali= SD 15rd
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Did he say "45" 3 minute rounds??
Yes. Whoever is still alive after 45 rounds wins
james jaffries was Classius Clay styles
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