I actually liked the pacing of this. Didn't feel slow or meandering to me, felt like a throwback to a time when audiences had patience and were happy to luxuriate in world-building etc. I never got the sense that time was just being wasted, which I do get with some other franchise installment type things.
Same! I do think it was going slow at times, but I like that. It never wasted time, only spent it wisely on worldbuilding and character development. In fact, I even liked the first half better than the second half, when "things got moving" and it became a typical Hollywood film with a predictable and unoriginal storyline with explosions and fight scenes. Albeit with a really cool finale.
Saw it last night and absolutely loved it. I love abandoned post-post apocalyptic settings but the idea of how Caesar’s teachings have been interpreted over the generations and between the different tribes was fascinating.
I can see what he means aboutnit feeling like set-up, but actually surprised at how lukewarm his review was. Just saw it and was shocked at how much I enjoyed it. It felt more like a old school Hollywood epic than anything else, sweeping shots, defined custard, big themes - really had a good time!
This movie was fantastic. For me it was consistent with the high standard that the franchise has maintained since being relaunched in 2011. I hope we get at least one more that is this good.
Kingdom is brilliant. The storytelling, imbued with humanity’s most important moralities, is powerful and subversive in that it’s again convincingly expressed by special effects apes! And on the visual note, it is incredible and so cinematic. The fidelity of the CG is awesome. I really enjoyed it.
Best reviewer period. Does not give out stars or out of 10 or thumbs up or anytthing like that. Talks about the movie and movies. Knows his stuff. passionate. :-)
Fantastic movie in my opinion, Proximus was an awesome villain because you could understand him wanting to expand upon his Kingdom and wanting to prevail over humanity but at the same time he was willing to harm his own kind to have power.
If the good doctor's diagnosis is correct, it basically sounds like its about as good as Rise, with the same positives and negatives. I can roll with that.
Im not sure, his main gripes seem to be with it being too much a setup for the next movies and not focused on being a good story by itself. Rise is definitely he weaker of the reboot trilogy but it is also the most different and could've easily stood on its own with no sequels
I rewatched Rise yesterday, and I think Kingdom was much better. Rise had some great scenes and character development, but the acting (except Serkis!), dialog, direction.. meh.
@@georgeelsbury2520 So much of Rise is also set up, though. There's a lot more table setting to get those apes to the Redwoods than people remember, I think
I thought it was very average. Its only purpose to me seemed to be re-franchise the franchise so more follow on movies could be made. As Mark says its a prequel, it doesn't work as a standalone film.
I saw this last night and was curious to see what Mark thought. He’s right, there’s a lot of setup but I actually found that setup really interesting. Some great themes within the story
Yep, the set up and world building is actually the best half of the film, for me it's then too blockbuster towards the end. I really think they could be much bolder with exploring this world of a new intelligent species finding it's way and whilst I enjoyed the fiom I think the choice of director ultimately lacks ambition.
I started off similar to you in that I walked into my cinema wondering why this even exists , is it just a “saleable ip” as you put it, a cash grab, whatever, but by the end I was very invested and can’t wait to see the rest of the trilogy. I also think you missed the mark with a lot of the cgi - for every digital looking swinging sequence , there was a 100% real looking closeup of an orangutan or chimpanzee or gorilla face , animated incredibly perfectly to the point that you might not even realise it was cgi, emotive and relatable and entirely engaging. Whichever studio did this really smashed it out of the park.
It's spot on in most contexts except for this film. Are we really at a point where audiences and critics are so jaded that the mere existence if a sequel hook means that we write of the entire rest of the film immediately?
@@TheValeyard92 Yes. I think audiences are especially frustrated by this. (Although, it could be argued that we are responsible for it, as we clamour for a sequel if the movie is enjoyable.) However, that is it for me. A sequel should be earned rather than forced upon us. If we go into nearly every movie expecting the story to be left incomplete, should we not be jaded? Or at least frustrated? Critics probably aren't jaded though because it's their job to critique films and the more films there are, the more work they have. Also, he doesn't really write the whole film off, does he? He has numerous positives to say about it, he just comments (correctly imo) that the film was more focused on setting up a sequel than being a self-contained film. It's a perfectly valid complaint.
I'm a little warmer on it than Mark, but I think for me this is a case where I like what I see, but I also see so much of the potential these ideas had and just wished they pushed it harder to do something fresh and properly expand this epic universe instead of mostly re-treading things we've already seen. For me, Beneath the Planet of the Apes is the film in the franchise that really shows off the wicked potential this concept has to do something kind of bonkers and out there, and the whole time watching this I kept hoping for some sort of reveal that would really surprise me - but it never came.
I didn’t find it slow. Was having too many thoughts about ape future to find it slow. The production design and art direction was so considered there was plenty to take in without a fast-moving plot. I found it comparable in pacing and world-building to an ancient-times epic, Kingdom of Heaven, Gladiator, LOTR
I've just got back from the cinema after seeing it. I enjoyed it throughout, however I thought that Mae's clothes looked out of place and she was the least interesting part of the movie. Overall it was a very enjoyable film. A solid continuation of the franchise.
One of the first things I noticed was her clothing. Almost like the undergarments of a space suite. Also not one single reviewer as yet has questioned why mia is able to walk around post simian flue earth without protection and no worry of infection given she's handed items by the apes - one of the things we learned from Woody's colonel character in war,even if you're immune,you can contract it from physical touch. When she hand the console to the woman at the base the woman is in a respirator but she isn't.so she's totally immune. My theory is she was on Icarus,seen in rise,and the fell through a worm hole( a tunnel that steals light' as said by Noah). She made the trip back first to scope out the situation on hearth now three hundred years have passed on earth,and what they see in the telescope is the rest of the colony following her back.
@@mattmurdoch3397 SPOILER WARNING I think her immunity to the virus is one of the reason why she was sent on that mission . I mean they obviously trained her very well for this.
Totally agree but I think we’d all be better off if they’d have just done away with either Rise or Dawn as a title altogether. Make either of them 1, make 2 war, and then make 3 eclipse or some cheesy crap like that
Spoilers: I liked that the unique culture of Eagle Clan was the downfall of the empire building Proximus. We didn’t spend much time with Prox which was surprising, the third act seemed to wizz by. It’s hard to make the 4th entry in a series feel unique but this did. (Although all have borrowed much from the original five).
Nice follow-up to what was established in the past trilogy. There's definitely a back story being created to the original 1968 film and I'm for another trilogy being made off this one. Noa is definitely character that will go through similar scenarios like Caesar in marking his place in a world that's steadily evolving, but towards what will be explored in two more films. 😎👍
Sorry Mark I think you're wrong on this one. The first hour was good, setting up the characters and storyline, building to a stronger second part of the movie. Great movie, looked fantastic (on IMAX), looking forward to the next installment. 🍿
I enjoyed this far more than I expected to. I had forgotten how much I'd enjoyed the previous ones and also didn't trust them to know when to stop milking the gorilla. But this one, apart from needing quite a trim I felt, was a lot of fun and far from brainless.
I enjoyed the slow pace of the movie, this created space for the story set up and character development. So many films these days feel rushed and overstuffed with action sequences. I go to the cinema to be transported into a world, to linger in that world and enjoy being a part of it. This movie did exactly that for me, from start to end. i loved it!
Here’s to hoping that The Promised Land, i.e. Mads Mikkelsen’s latest, will get UK cinema distribution very soon so that Mark is able to tell us what he makes of it! I absolutely loved it, and I suspect that MK will be even more satisfied with it than A Royal Affair, which is a tall order.
Yes, the thing with the first trilogy was they had a solid personal arch with Ceaser. And the original movies work because they feel vary different to each other and tell a complete story I'm each movie because they didn't know if they were going to make another one.
@@balthazarasquith Rewatched it all last week, some in 3D (VR headset) and some in 2D, and honestly, the apes were amazing, their faces were brilliant. The make up versions from either the old or Tim Burtons are just laughable, I'm sorry, they don't look like real apes or move like them so it's not at all convincing.
See, what Mark doesn’t like about the first hour - I actually liked! It gave us time to invest in the set-up and you really got a sense of the world - something which doesn’t happen often in big movies these days. I liked it that it took some time - it felt reminiscent of 80’s movie-making. On the whole I’m not a massive ape movie fan (I found that me last three too gloomy) - but this was a solid, well-crafted, slightly old-fashioned adventure movie.
Watched this last night, and actually didn't mind the slow moving set up of the first half, but thought the whole thing suffered badly from not making much sense until you've seen the next episode. And probably not even then.
There is a bit of a lull in the middle but I actually enjoyed the first act which focused on character building. It introduced us to Noa and his friends.
The film's main problem is that it's playing sort of a rehash of many of the same themes as its predecessors without ever digging deeper than surface level. So it doesn't really have an identity; a character of its own. But it's perfectly fine for what it is -- an old school popcorn flick.
I agree, it's good. It's not great, but not bad either. Slow, like Kermode says, and not the most interesting plot-wise, but I loved the worldbuilding and the characters. CGI apes have never looked better, the actors really do shine through.
My impression of the film was in some sense the opposite of Kermode's. I loved the slow worldbuilding of the first half, where nothing of real importance happened. As the film "found its feet", once they got to the encampment, I found the storyline became pretty standard and predictable. Slaves plotting against a power-mad king, albeit with a bit of distrust within the group, and some typical action scenes. It's fine Hollywood entertainment, but I think I've seen it all before. I just don't think the plot was very interesting. Maybe the first half raised my expectations that this film might be something more than it turned out to be. If you like fast-moving plots, you probably won't like the first half. If you like slow worldbuilding and character development, I think you will.
I honestly thought it would was pretty disappointing but i went in thinking it would be as good as the last one but i did enjoy it so it was just good.
I’m up for it.i just re watched the Matt reeves trilogy for the first time since they came out with my 2 sons and we were all gripped. Caesar and Koba were fantastic well rounded characters and the strong human character cast - James Franco, John Lithgoe, Brian Cox, Jason Clarke, Gary Oldman and Woody Harrelson give great support to the CGI stars
I have to agree with the issues around pacing and also the special effects. There was a scene where Noa was on his horse with an eagle on his arm and it just looked so fake. It took so long to get to the 2nd act
Urgent question as im seeing the film in the morning. Do i need to rewatch War for the Planet of the Apes as i cant remember it too well? I suspect i may have had an ale or two while watching
Nobody should ever set out to film (or write) a ‘Trilogy’ from an original concept. If you aren’t adapting something lengthy from another medium, it should always be organic or it’s always going to contain filler.
I really don't agree. I just watched in Imax and it was brilliant. Great story arch, not silly, and engrossing. And honestly, the originals were great when I was a kid, but watching them recently they really are clunky and 3 4 and 5 are just awful ( best left in the memory)
It's an atmospheric movie Watch it to get yourself involved in its universe, story, morality, etc. It's freaking good! the best of the Ape movies I tell you
I felt the same, the third act is the best part but the entire film is simply a setup. It is well directed, just that it didn't have much to say that the previous 3 didn't.
I'm just back ...very much enjoyed it. I liked the slower pace, i was never bored , like I often am in action films with a million explosions..(. and Dune 2 ..yawn.)
I know what you mean about making a film to setup the other movies, rather than focussing on the film at hand. I felt like Dune did that. Incidentally, they've been doing that in computer games for years now. Holding back content for the next "iteration".
I actually enjoyed the world building, and the time the film took. Where I agree with you is that there was too much hinting at things to come, and not enough story. Are we really going to have to wait another decade before we get to see what an advanced ape civilization will look like?! As a fan of the series, I don’t like that they’re retreading the conflicts of the previous trilogy.
Have to disagree with Mark Kermode. I thought the movie wasn't slow more of a character study of the new characters coming into this new story line. As a matter of fact I wanted more of seeing the apes living their lives in their tribe and their daily routines than any of the end action pieces. One critism I do have is this follows a similar plot device to the last movie 'War for Planet of the Apes' as in the films first half is more of an open world adventure then the second half turns into an enclosed set piece, which I think works for this story but didn't go WOTPOA. Apart from that little critism I thought the acting really good (especially Noah' and didn't think the chi were shonky unlike Mark. I look forward to the continuing story line of the Planet of the Apes'.
I liked it but got me when Caesar keeps saying it’s a lovely day etc in exact same way tone etc as in MadMax Fury Road . I would like seen what happens to Nova from last film. Also if they keep to the Original books make more sense .
First of all, there was only one book originally called "Monkey Planet" by Pierre Boulle (the author who wrote "The Bridge on the River Kwai", and the first film was loosely based off of that, all the other films have been adapted from the source material. Second, in the original film Charlton Heston's character, Taylor names a mute uncivilized woman, who was also captured with him in the hunt, Nova after the star (and who's considered and treated like an animal by the apes) In the recent trilogy Maurice, the Orangutan names a mute girl Nova after picking up a Chevy Nova nameplate emblem and giving it to her. In the new film, and I'm not really giving much away here, Raka the Orangutan says that he calls all humans Novas, so there is no continuity between the characters and the name Nova. As far as the Mad Max films and these films other than the dystopian future I fail to see the connection. Unless I'm missing something from both films.
Loved it. Mark being harsh on rhe pacing and the story. This could have been an action only film, but this a very mature, charscter driven fil, wuth some thrilling action sequences where you care about rhe characters. and builds up nicely to its conclusion. It could have very easily just been a money making rip off of the first three, but no, this version is very respectful to the others and Mark fails to mention how the film addresses the question of apes and humans living together, instead of one or the other dominating the same land and all the moral problems behind that.. Looking forward to the next one.
I really enjoyed the original Planet Of The Apes from 1968 but just never felt any need to watch any other movies in the series. I just feel (and maybe I'm way off base with this) I saw everything I need to see in that first movie.
Surprised by the review. I thought this was a bit indulgent in time taken in the first hour, but it absolutely set up a lot of themes that culminated well. I thoight this was one of the best installments.
I like the pacing because I like inhabiting the post apocalypse world with the apes as long as I can, I thought it was beautiful to see them alive in a way that wasn’t about them trying to break out of cages
I actually liked the pacing of this. Didn't feel slow or meandering to me, felt like a throwback to a time when audiences had patience and were happy to luxuriate in world-building etc. I never got the sense that time was just being wasted, which I do get with some other franchise installment type things.
Same! I do think it was going slow at times, but I like that. It never wasted time, only spent it wisely on worldbuilding and character development. In fact, I even liked the first half better than the second half, when "things got moving" and it became a typical Hollywood film with a predictable and unoriginal storyline with explosions and fight scenes. Albeit with a really cool finale.
Agreed. My wife and i enjoyed exploring the world of the Apes. Also, THAT ending........
Absolutely agree. The pacing was patient and rewarding
@@davidstone-haigh4880 explore what world ? They were literally traveling the whole movie no apes in sight 😂
Same here, I felt the slower build up allowed time to enjoy the world building and it reminded me of the original movie, overall I really enjoyed it
Saw it last night and absolutely loved it. I love abandoned post-post apocalyptic settings but the idea of how Caesar’s teachings have been interpreted over the generations and between the different tribes was fascinating.
My fave of the Apes movies now!
@@ElysiaBrenner favourite of the planet of the apes
I can see what he means aboutnit feeling like set-up, but actually surprised at how lukewarm his review was. Just saw it and was shocked at how much I enjoyed it. It felt more like a old school Hollywood epic than anything else, sweeping shots, defined custard, big themes - really had a good time!
This movie was fantastic. For me it was consistent with the high standard that the franchise has maintained since being relaunched in 2011. I hope we get at least one more that is this good.
That ending............Lets hope so. Loved this new entry in the series.
Agreed! I think this setups an amazing new lead for this series with Noah.
It pays homage to the original movies while being good on its own how can you get better than that
Kingdom is brilliant. The storytelling, imbued with humanity’s most important moralities, is powerful and subversive in that it’s again convincingly expressed by special effects apes! And on the visual note, it is incredible and so cinematic. The fidelity of the CG is awesome. I really enjoyed it.
Don't know why there's such a need to push on with narrative, I just enjoy taking in the world and I was more than happy with the speed of the movie
Best reviewer in the UK hands down. Keep up the sterling work gentlemen.
Appreciated
Best reviewer period. Does not give out stars or out of 10 or thumbs up or anytthing like that. Talks about the movie and movies. Knows his stuff. passionate. :-)
I'm one of those weirdos who'd actually like an extended version. More of Proixmus would be great.
An extended
Directors version would be good.
Just back from seeing it today. Another amazing entry in the series.
Fantastic movie in my opinion, Proximus was an awesome villain because you could understand him wanting to expand upon his Kingdom and wanting to prevail over humanity but at the same time he was willing to harm his own kind to have power.
He is a chilling character the way he manipulates the others and craves the power of Human weaponry
“Apes will learn, I will learn.”
Such a good line
Anyone else really looking forward to Mark's inevitable rant on Rebel Moon Part 2?
When
When
Along with Unfrosted.
@@dustmaker5744I don't know. Hopefully soon
Oh yes 😂
If the good doctor's diagnosis is correct, it basically sounds like its about as good as Rise, with the same positives and negatives. I can roll with that.
Im not sure, his main gripes seem to be with it being too much a setup for the next movies and not focused on being a good story by itself. Rise is definitely he weaker of the reboot trilogy but it is also the most different and could've easily stood on its own with no sequels
I rewatched Rise yesterday, and I think Kingdom was much better. Rise had some great scenes and character development, but the acting (except Serkis!), dialog, direction.. meh.
@@georgeelsbury2520 So much of Rise is also set up, though. There's a lot more table setting to get those apes to the Redwoods than people remember, I think
The good doctor's diagnosis is not correct, great movie!
I thought it was very average. Its only purpose to me seemed to be re-franchise the franchise so more follow on movies could be made. As Mark says its a prequel, it doesn't work as a standalone film.
I saw this last night and was curious to see what Mark thought. He’s right, there’s a lot of setup but I actually found that setup really interesting. Some great themes within the story
Yep, the set up and world building is actually the best half of the film, for me it's then too blockbuster towards the end. I really think they could be much bolder with exploring this world of a new intelligent species finding it's way and whilst I enjoyed the fiom I think the choice of director ultimately lacks ambition.
I started off similar to you in that I walked into my cinema wondering why this even exists , is it just a “saleable ip” as you put it, a cash grab, whatever, but by the end I was very invested and can’t wait to see the rest of the trilogy. I also think you missed the mark with a lot of the cgi - for every digital looking swinging sequence , there was a 100% real looking closeup of an orangutan or chimpanzee or gorilla face , animated incredibly perfectly to the point that you might not even realise it was cgi, emotive and relatable and entirely engaging. Whichever studio did this really smashed it out of the park.
everything Mark says around 4:50 re: market and narrative is spot on for the current media climate. everything’s a set-up for a set-up
It's spot on in most contexts except for this film.
Are we really at a point where audiences and critics are so jaded that the mere existence if a sequel hook means that we write of the entire rest of the film immediately?
@@TheValeyard92 Yes. I think audiences are especially frustrated by this. (Although, it could be argued that we are responsible for it, as we clamour for a sequel if the movie is enjoyable.) However, that is it for me. A sequel should be earned rather than forced upon us. If we go into nearly every movie expecting the story to be left incomplete, should we not be jaded? Or at least frustrated? Critics probably aren't jaded though because it's their job to critique films and the more films there are, the more work they have.
Also, he doesn't really write the whole film off, does he? He has numerous positives to say about it, he just comments (correctly imo) that the film was more focused on setting up a sequel than being a self-contained film. It's a perfectly valid complaint.
As a fan of the original five and the recent trilogy, I'm really looking forward to seeing this one. 🙂
What about the Tim burton one 😂😂
I'm a little warmer on it than Mark, but I think for me this is a case where I like what I see, but I also see so much of the potential these ideas had and just wished they pushed it harder to do something fresh and properly expand this epic universe instead of mostly re-treading things we've already seen. For me, Beneath the Planet of the Apes is the film in the franchise that really shows off the wicked potential this concept has to do something kind of bonkers and out there, and the whole time watching this I kept hoping for some sort of reveal that would really surprise me - but it never came.
Waiting for a parody version called Enough of the Planet of the Apes
Hahahah about time !
Hopefully with Troy Mcclure featuring heavily
Stick around and you'll get that title without the parody. This film stinks.
Oh how I would love that, I'm sick of these movies just long drawn out tosh with as much originality as a Roland Emmerich movie.
Stop the Planet of the Apes, I want to get off!
I didn’t find it slow. Was having too many thoughts about ape future to find it slow. The production design and art direction was so considered there was plenty to take in without a fast-moving plot. I found it comparable in pacing and world-building to an ancient-times epic, Kingdom of Heaven, Gladiator, LOTR
I've just got back from the cinema after seeing it. I enjoyed it throughout, however I thought that Mae's clothes looked out of place and she was the least interesting part of the movie. Overall it was a very enjoyable film. A solid continuation of the franchise.
is it the clothes or the amount of plastic surgery the poor girl has done?
One of the first things I noticed was her clothing.
Almost like the undergarments of a space suite.
Also not one single reviewer as yet has questioned why mia is able to walk around post simian flue earth without protection and no worry of infection given she's handed items by the apes - one of the things we learned from Woody's colonel character in war,even if you're immune,you can contract it from physical touch.
When she hand the console to the woman at the base the woman is in a respirator but she isn't.so she's totally immune.
My theory is she was on Icarus,seen in rise,and the fell through a worm hole( a tunnel that steals light' as said by Noah).
She made the trip back first to scope out the situation on hearth now three hundred years have passed on earth,and what they see in the telescope is the rest of the colony following her back.
Well, there were very good reason why her clothes seem out of place . You knew who she really is , right?
@@mattmurdoch3397 SPOILER WARNING
I think her immunity to the virus is one of the reason why she was sent on that mission . I mean they obviously trained her very well for this.
like an CSI tier actress and wore american eagle 2007 with the distressed effect lol
I never understood the logic of the naming of Rise, Dawn and War. Surely, it would have been better as Dawn (as that comes first), Rise, and then War?
I've been known to rise before dawn, on a good day. I have no comment on War.
Totally agree but I think we’d all be better off if they’d have just done away with either Rise or Dawn as a title altogether. Make either of them 1, make 2 war, and then make 3 eclipse or some cheesy crap like that
Well the yanks do have their dating the wrong way around too. Instead of 24/7/2024, it’s 7/24/2024
Pretty common sentiment
The logical being that Rise was a revolution movie so for that movie it made sense, then it made less sense with Dawn
The Kenjuring
😂
I loved the movie. Possibly my favorite out of the last four.
Doesn't have much rewatch value but it's a MUCH better film than Kermode is making out. Very beautiful and extremely immersive for one watch
Yep. I enjoyed it.
It felt like a greatest hits of the Serkis trilogy if I’m honest.
This. Very much. It's shiny and fun while it lasts but it has no identity or character. It's ever so consumable.
Spoilers:
I liked that the unique culture of Eagle Clan was the downfall of the empire building Proximus.
We didn’t spend much time with Prox which was surprising, the third act seemed to wizz by.
It’s hard to make the 4th entry in a series feel unique but this did. (Although all have borrowed much from the original five).
Nice follow-up to what was established in the past trilogy. There's definitely a back story being created to the original 1968 film and I'm for another trilogy being made off this one.
Noa is definitely character that will go through similar scenarios like Caesar in marking his place in a world that's steadily evolving, but towards what will be explored in two more films.
😎👍
Someone powerful in Hollywood seems to want to keep on making this franchise.
Sorry Mark I think you're wrong on this one. The first hour was good, setting up the characters and storyline, building to a stronger second part of the movie.
Great movie, looked fantastic (on IMAX), looking forward to the next installment. 🍿
I enjoyed this far more than I expected to. I had forgotten how much I'd enjoyed the previous ones and also didn't trust them to know when to stop milking the gorilla. But this one, apart from needing quite a trim I felt, was a lot of fun and far from brainless.
Why aren't they in the studio?
I enjoyed the slow pace of the movie, this created space for the story set up and character development. So many films these days feel rushed and overstuffed with action sequences. I go to the cinema to be transported into a world, to linger in that world and enjoy being a part of it. This movie did exactly that for me, from start to end. i loved it!
Here’s to hoping that The Promised Land, i.e. Mads Mikkelsen’s latest, will get UK cinema distribution very soon so that Mark is able to tell us what he makes of it! I absolutely loved it, and I suspect that MK will be even more satisfied with it than A Royal Affair, which is a tall order.
Trying to follow the previous Trilogy seems like a very tough act to follow!
I still prefer the original films, the cgi apes lose their charm. Well that's just me lol
Yes, the thing with the first trilogy was they had a solid personal arch with Ceaser. And the original movies work because they feel vary different to each other and tell a complete story I'm each movie because they didn't know if they were going to make another one.
@@balthazarasquithso do the stiff costumes
In my opinion, it’s a worthy follow up.
@@balthazarasquith Rewatched it all last week, some in 3D (VR headset) and some in 2D, and honestly, the apes were amazing, their faces were brilliant. The make up versions from either the old or Tim Burtons are just laughable, I'm sorry, they don't look like real apes or move like them so it's not at all convincing.
I disagree, I think this is possibly the best POTA yet, enough action, excellent settings, moving pace, with a hint of things to come.
I came here for the review... but now I need to know more about Mark's Ken doll.
Wes Ball's next film is The Legend of Zelda
See, what Mark doesn’t like about the first hour - I actually liked! It gave us time to invest in the set-up and you really got a sense of the world - something which doesn’t happen often in big movies these days. I liked it that it took some time - it felt reminiscent of 80’s movie-making. On the whole I’m not a massive ape movie fan (I found that me last three too gloomy) - but this was a solid, well-crafted, slightly old-fashioned adventure movie.
did these guys lose the studio?
Power in the Darkness. Good album :)
All you kids who just sit and whine,
You should have been there back in 79.
This review reminded me that Tangerine Dream did great soundtracks. Thanks Mark!
Watched this last night, and actually didn't mind the slow moving set up of the first half, but thought the whole thing suffered badly from not making much sense until you've seen the next episode. And probably not even then.
Its really setting up for the "new version" of battle of the planet of the apes! Some nice cue's to old pota with Charlton Heston.
Conquest is one of my all time favourite movies.
"AND THAT DAY IS UPON YOU NOW!!!"
I kinda like how some of the apes sound like Bollo from Mighty Boosh.
I miss 90 minute movies, especially as I and my bladder get older...
This is why I alway emptied my bladder before entering the movie theatre and I never bought any drinks when watching movies.
I watched Dune 1 in the Netherlands, where the cinema didn't have an intermission - it was the best pees I ever had after that!
Can’t wait for the ‘Siesta of …’ installment.
Followed by the "BOGO of..." installment
would love that. Just apes in their modern era chilling and doing normal jobs. Won't be a good film but something slice of life.
There is a bit of a lull in the middle but I actually enjoyed the first act which focused on character building. It introduced us to Noa and his friends.
The film's main problem is that it's playing sort of a rehash of many of the same themes as its predecessors without ever digging deeper than surface level. So it doesn't really have an identity; a character of its own. But it's perfectly fine for what it is -- an old school popcorn flick.
True. Still entertaining tho
Rise, Dawn and War are fantastic. I'm wary of this one but most reviews seem pretty good so I'll go in hopeful. 🤞
I saw it last night. It’s good.
I agree, it's good. It's not great, but not bad either. Slow, like Kermode says, and not the most interesting plot-wise, but I loved the worldbuilding and the characters. CGI apes have never looked better, the actors really do shine through.
loved the first 3, walked out after 45 min in this, couldn't connect with it, just cgi dribble
I didn't think it was up to par with the previous
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sounds more like you're watching a prologue rather than a prequel
Just seen it. Really enjoyed it.
My impression of the film was in some sense the opposite of Kermode's. I loved the slow worldbuilding of the first half, where nothing of real importance happened. As the film "found its feet", once they got to the encampment, I found the storyline became pretty standard and predictable. Slaves plotting against a power-mad king, albeit with a bit of distrust within the group, and some typical action scenes. It's fine Hollywood entertainment, but I think I've seen it all before. I just don't think the plot was very interesting. Maybe the first half raised my expectations that this film might be something more than it turned out to be.
If you like fast-moving plots, you probably won't like the first half. If you like slow worldbuilding and character development, I think you will.
Anyone know why they’re not in the studio anymore?
There's a a saying: "Those who can do. Those who can't criticize."
I always get confused about whether Dawn or Rise came first.
Rise came first - but this was illogical naming in my opinion
"Rise before dawn"
I saw it today I went to the wrong screen by accident so missed bits of the beginning. I found it watchable but I prefer the trilogy preceding it.
I honestly thought it would was pretty disappointing but i went in thinking it would be as good as the last one but i did enjoy it so it was just good.
Pretty much.
I’m up for it.i just re watched the Matt reeves trilogy for the first time since they came out with my 2 sons and we were all gripped. Caesar and Koba were fantastic well rounded characters and the strong human character cast - James Franco, John Lithgoe, Brian Cox, Jason Clarke, Gary Oldman and Woody Harrelson give great support to the CGI stars
Power in the darkness by TRB above Marks left shoulder….awesome.
I have to agree with the issues around pacing and also the special effects. There was a scene where Noa was on his horse with an eagle on his arm and it just looked so fake. It took so long to get to the 2nd act
As hyped for this as a Dental appointment
Urgent question as im seeing the film in the morning. Do i need to rewatch War for the Planet of the Apes as i cant remember it too well? I suspect i may have had an ale or two while watching
I really enjoyed it.
This is exactly how I feel about it
Nobody should ever set out to film (or write) a ‘Trilogy’ from an original concept. If you aren’t adapting something lengthy from another medium, it should always be organic or it’s always going to contain filler.
Brilliant movie👍🏼
We really enjoyed this too!
I really don't agree. I just watched in Imax and it was brilliant. Great story arch, not silly, and engrossing. And honestly, the originals were great when I was a kid, but watching them recently they really are clunky and 3 4 and 5 are just awful ( best left in the memory)
So far 4/4 ❤
It's an atmospheric movie
Watch it to get yourself involved in its universe, story, morality, etc.
It's freaking good! the best of the Ape movies I tell you
I loved this film. I particularly enjoyed it’s religious commentary
I felt the same, the third act is the best part but the entire film is simply a setup. It is well directed, just that it didn't have much to say that the previous 3 didn't.
First
I enjoyed it. Keep expectations moderate. Well acted. Sets up future episodes
I'm just back ...very much enjoyed it. I liked the slower pace, i was never bored , like I often am in action films with a million explosions..(. and Dune 2 ..yawn.)
Broadly agree- watched it last night. If you like this sort of thing, you’ll like it. But only ‘ok’
I liked the first hour adventure, best.
What happened to the studio?
I know what you mean about making a film to setup the other movies, rather than focussing on the film at hand. I felt like Dune did that.
Incidentally, they've been doing that in computer games for years now. Holding back content for the next "iteration".
I actually enjoyed the world building, and the time the film took. Where I agree with you is that there was too much hinting at things to come, and not enough story.
Are we really going to have to wait another decade before we get to see what an advanced ape civilization will look like?! As a fan of the series, I don’t like that they’re retreading the conflicts of the previous trilogy.
Im hearing Andy Serkis isn't in this one... And that upsets me
If you want a picture of the future, imagine Rex Harrison as Doctor Dolittle stamping on a human face - for ever.
I love Kermode, and I agree with him about 80% of the time. For me he's just missed the mark on this one.
These ape movies have all been good to great.
It would be lovely if just one of the new tri-ology is simply named 'Planet of the Apes'
Exactly how I felt.
I thought it was no where near the previous film, disappointing if i am honest
LMAO 🤣The fallen Ken doll.
The effects looked ropey? WTF are you talking about. I thought it looked amazing. And I realy enjoying this.
Have to disagree with Mark Kermode. I thought the movie wasn't slow more of a character study of the new characters coming into this new story line. As a matter of fact I wanted more of seeing the apes living their lives in their tribe and their daily routines than any of the end action pieces. One critism I do have is this follows a similar plot device to the last movie 'War for Planet of the Apes' as in the films first half is more of an open world adventure then the second half turns into an enclosed set piece, which I think works for this story but didn't go WOTPOA. Apart from that little critism I thought the acting really good (especially Noah' and didn't think the chi were shonky unlike Mark.
I look forward to the continuing story line of the Planet of the Apes'.
I liked it but got me when Caesar keeps saying it’s a lovely day etc in exact same way tone etc as in MadMax Fury Road . I would like seen what happens to Nova from last film.
Also if they keep to the Original books make more sense .
First of all, there was only one book originally called "Monkey Planet" by Pierre Boulle (the author who wrote "The Bridge
on the River Kwai", and the first film was loosely based off of that, all the other films have been adapted from the source material. Second, in the original film Charlton Heston's character, Taylor names a mute uncivilized woman, who was also captured with him in the hunt, Nova after the star (and who's considered and treated like an animal by the apes) In the recent trilogy Maurice, the Orangutan names a mute girl Nova after picking up a Chevy Nova nameplate emblem and giving it to her. In the new film, and I'm not really giving much away here, Raka the Orangutan says that he calls all humans Novas, so there is no continuity between the characters and the name Nova. As far as the Mad Max films and these films other than the dystopian future I fail to see the connection. Unless I'm missing something from both films.
Loved it. Mark being harsh on rhe pacing and the story. This could have been an action only film, but this a very mature, charscter driven fil, wuth some thrilling action sequences where you care about rhe characters. and builds up nicely to its conclusion. It could have very easily just been a money making rip off of the first three, but no, this version is very respectful to the others and Mark fails to mention how the film addresses the question of apes and humans living together, instead of one or the other dominating the same land and all the moral problems behind that.. Looking forward to the next one.
Havent seen this but assuming this ends with a space capsule landing in a lake
I feared the same, but thankfully no
what are these comments, like people are commenting on a completely different video and not a kermode review
Agree
The last trilogy was so great, I don't see what else there is to say in more movies
I really enjoyed the original Planet Of The Apes from 1968 but just never felt any need to watch any other movies in the series. I just feel (and maybe I'm way off base with this) I saw everything I need to see in that first movie.
The Caesar trilogy, especially Dawn, is fantastic. Matt Reeves is a brilliant director and Andy Serkis’ performance as Caesar is superb.
Surprised by the review. I thought this was a bit indulgent in time taken in the first hour, but it absolutely set up a lot of themes that culminated well. I thoight this was one of the best installments.
rise of the kingdom of the dawn of the war of the apes from the planet of the apes from planet of the apes
I like the pacing because I like inhabiting the post apocalypse world with the apes as long as I can, I thought it was beautiful to see them alive in a way that wasn’t about them trying to break out of cages
How come they’re doing this remotely these days?