YouTube Movie Critics vs Woke Disney
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I used to care, now I don't. They already killed all the franchises I cared about.
Apathy
I don’t care in general I just don’t watch it cause they’re not good. These anti woke dudes be dragging it on like it’s their livelihoods when they change next to nothing.
apathy is death
This is a huge problem though, investors will never give them millions to experiment with new things because they are afraid it will flop and they will lose money, if they ruined all franchises what movies are they gonna make?
give it a decade or two and they will reboot those franchises as soon as they think there is a market again. just look at how many times the batman franchise has been remade. you have the corny live action batman from the 1940s, the movie series from the 1990s, the animated cartoons from the 1990s, the dark knight trilogy, etc.. same thing happened with X-Men, Star Trek, and many others.
big franchises don't die, they just go into hibernation for a few years until a new director/studio wants to try again.
You know what was a diverse film? Predator.
3 white guys, THREE black guys, TWO Native Americans, and a Mexican lady. And they're all f'ing legendary.
And its the Guy Who cant speak English that wins
Damn I never thought of that! But so true! See...... They claim race is this giant fucking thing and it's the furthest from the truth... A good movie is a good movie. A good actor is a good actor. It doesn't matter what race they are to 99.99% of us. It's only an issue for those that are hiding their own racist beliefs and feel the need to project their own issues outwards so they won't have to take responsibility for their own moral flaws
Hell yeah
Absolutely, amazing film
Out of context but, I hate how the first number is not written like a word.
It's funny, because Disney was way better at being "inclusive" when they weren't even trying.
Bingo. Just like all great art it comes naturally
Forced narritives andunnecessary inclusivity ruins actual representation
Lilo and stitch, brother bear, Alladin, princess and the frog, Mulan.
It's a pretty decent line up imo.
Bro for real, They had movies for EVERYONE!
is it woke to be sexy let me ask u this question is it woke to have a lamborghini, is it woke to flex your vanity, is it woke to be a hard- core player in shooting games to farms loot.
Atlantis the Lost Empire: had PERFECT diversity. and they didnt even try or mention it. it just happened NATURALLY. cause they all fit their roles PERFECTLY
To be fair:
Disney HATES Atlantis with a burning passion.
And Treasure Planet too. T ^ T
@@RealCodreX aye T.T
💯 in general they did better at diversity when they weren’t trying as hard! 😂
Just watched it last night and you're right. It's honestly one of my top 10 favorite movies.
Perfect example. One of my favorite Disney movies.
No one cared about Guardians of the Galaxy until they made a great movie.
It's not that these new characters are B or C list, it's that the movies are shit.
Guardians proved that you can make an absolute hit with low tier characters by just making great movies.
Facts.
Iron man wasn't even a list
@@weatheredseeker But Iron Man did have a few successful cartoons under his belt.
Lots of people cared it just wasnt mainstream
But you are not doing yourself any favours by using obscure nobodies when your ship is sinking and you dont have audiences benefit of a doubt
Guardians of the Galaxy was made when Disney Marvel was an ok franchise u could do this then
But when u make 5 years of trash u need any help u can get
@@MastaofPastaIron Man was C tier until the movies. Same with Captain America honestly.
They don't write characters. They write diversity check boxes.
Exactly. You're not allowed to write anything that could offend woke.
So you don't like avatar the last airbender?
@@Remedy462 "They don't write characters. They write diversity check boxes." Read it again.
@@Remedy462how are avatar's characters a diversity check box?
Yes. And the weird thing is that you CAN write a good damn story diverse characters. Arcane, for example, is so well written and directed that none of the characters seem out of place.
We had a woman present the pre-ANZAC day speech at my daughters school today.
ANZAC day in australia is specifically about the men who died in gallipoli during World War I.
The first 3 minutes of a 4 minute speech was about women in the army in the 80s and how they aren't allowed to be in combat situations even though, and i quote, "women can do all the things men do in the army". She spoke about how women would need to leave the army if they fell pregnant. Regardless of validity of any of what she said is, ANZAC day is not the vehicle to use for gender politics to a primary school with kids aged 6-12.
This is essentially what Disney is doing. Using the wrong vehicle to spread a message. It's messed up.
Great point
You should speak up in future, only happens because people don’t do anything about it
@@oldylad I fully hear what you're saying but I only confront an issue when I'm the only person that would be affected by the fallout.
But my daughter is only 8 and the last thing I want is for her to become the target of other peoples ire. Under any other circumstance, I would have publicly called her out for such a shameful display. Though I myself would have been putting myself in the same boat as her by disgracing what should otherwise be, a day about those that have sacrificed everything.
But I wholly agree with your sentiments.
@@phenelyou could still discuss it with the parents, wether that be a comitee or a reunion. Things should be left there, without kids getting involved. If your daughter starts getting bullied, then one or more of the parents is being very immature and disrespectful, and should be penalized.
The thing with these subjects is that a lot more people than you think care about these things, they just don't know how to speak up while others would love to have a congregate of parents to side with them.
Keeping quiet just enables it further. Just my two cents.
You putting your kids first is the correct approach as a parent, but doing the right thing at the right time could save you future headaches.
@@ugn154 ok I see what you mean. Thank you. At the next P&C meeting, I will address the issue. If it happened this year it will likely happen again next year.
It really just comes down to 2 things.
1. Changing existing source material.
2. "The difference of doing a gay character and a character that is gay."
example: william from invincible
Changing source material is not always a bad thing. You can't always get 1to1 to the source material. Look at marvel, they get close, but still make their own version.
@@Aquageo555 wasnt the whole video about how Marvel is failing for that exact reason?
@@Xxxxxxxxxxzzzsasff yes and no. Changing source material itself is not a bad thing. It's what you change that matters.
"So, we made this movie about a character~"
"Oh, neat! What's her backstory?"
"She's a girl"
"Uhh I mean like what's her motivation?"
"She is a STRONK girl"
"You mean she has flaws but overcomes them by sheer force of will?"
"No, I mean she's perfect in every way"
"OK... what does she do in the movie?"
"Uhh... _(to the side)_ what does she actually do? _(out loud)_ She... does stuff, yeah"
If a character's entire point is a label, there is no character to that character
The Alien movies did it best i think. Originally, Ripley was written without a gender. Just a badass character they ended up casting as a woman.
@@Colonelclout As Nostalgia Critic put it, "Disney wrote a character who is a strong woman, and these guys wrote a strong character who is a woman" or something like that
Actutally the answer to "what does she do?" is usually "fight the misogynistic patriarchy"
@@DarkDemon259 self-insert LULE
What character are you talking about?
Imagine if Peter Jackson gave interviews crapping on Lord of the rings and telling everyone that he never read the books.
Before or after the movies where made? Because that would have had a huge impact.
Also, even if the movies where the same, I feel it would have caused a lot of people to turn away from the movie or critique them in a way they're not doing now.
Exactly. He made great pains to be true to the source material (no 'reimagined for modern audiences' doublespeak) and his trilogy was one of the best regarded and most successful of all time. The precedent, the recipe for success, is right there for everyone to see, but they're deliberately ignoring it.
LOTR by Peter Jackson was at some point going very much away from the books... but the FANS turned Peter's mind around. The One Ring community is to thank for the LOTR trilogy as well.
and that he had to change the racial and gender make-up of the characters because its not reflective of our modern day california BS
@@paulw5039 I mean he did make changes like with the eye of Sauron which in the book was not a literal eye on top of Barad-Dur but then again adaptations need to make changes to work. He generally stayed true to the spirit of the books. Also knowing some of Tolkiens general attitudes he probably wouldn't have liked the movies. Then again the guy who wrote the book for Willy Wonka didn't like the original movie which was a huge success. I guess that's just the authors pride as an artist
We want to be entertained not lectured.
It's not that people hate minority characters, it's that people hate badly written characters.
Nothing like watching a Batman movie and they start talking about bs "white privilege".
Ikr! when I was watching the Batman that quote really threw me off 😂
@@Casualcrusader777wait that actually happened?!
Can you guys give more context here in detail??
@@eafesaf6934 He made it up.
@@eafesaf6934 A character rubs the death of Bruce Wayne's parents in his face - basically declared that a white child watching his parents getting murdered and then having no other family after they're gone has an easier and cushier life than the average non-white person and then tries to shame him for grieving.
@@nachofilament294 LOL wtf. See, the issue isnt the representation of marginalized people- its the demonization of everyone who isnt "them".
As a Mexican i can say, blue beetle failed because of the pandering, they really tried to sell it like "he's the first mexican super hero, and it talks about colonialism, you know because he's mexican, if you don't watch it then you're racist"
As soon as we heard the director say that we turned our head, we seriously don't need to be pandered to
También soy mexicano güey. I enjoyed the “pandering” as you say. It was fun. It was just the same god damn super hero movie we’ve all seen 3932 times already.
As a Mexican born in Mexico but raised here the movie accurately represents what it’s like to be Mexican in the states
I am Mexican. I don't read comic books but I do like comic books movies. And to be honest that line about batman and mentioning something about his race that was in the trailer made me not want to see this movie...
@@jessy8a10 American born and barely connected to the homeland probably
@@kibi8311sorry, who are talking about?
Plot twist: Men like women.
no one asks the right questions in these situations because they want to appear to be right and smart rather than doing whats needed
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The question to ask him here is a simple one "Why is it important to have a diverse cast?"
Why does it matter? He'll respond with "to identify with the characters we need representation."
You then respond with "so you're saying minorities cannot identify with characters that don't look like them?"
Because that's what the source of this is on the face of it - it isn't the actual reality but that's an aside - the point that needs t obe made is that these people are saying "I can only identify if I see someone like me on screen." and to do it to as big an audience as possible while saying you are the opposite. "doesn't matter to me what they look like, white black blue yellow green pink it doesn't matter, it's the person that's important not what they look like, you can identify with John MacLane equally as much as you can Mike Lowrey or Ip Man. If you think you can't do that without them looking like you, I'm sorry but you're the bigot." and let that be the end of it.
That is a damn good point
as a tunisian this is very annoying for me , they have replaced every single historical north african as black west african in mainstream movies/series which is a totally erasure of us .
Tunisian and South italian are similar people, Annibale Barca was white, most of tunisians has white mediterranean skin!
Yeah its bs they got Denzel Washington about to play Hannibal too lol
@@alexdragoon74 Hannibal Barca, is Punic who are a people who emigrated from Phoenicia (the coast of Lebanon and Syria) to Tunisia. And since he is from the upper echelons of Carthaginian society it is somewhat likely that they either married into each other, or made political marriages with the local elites that were referred to as Lybians (who were settled, sedentary light brown skined people described by greek historians, contrary to the numidians who were more nomadic, and were more dark skinned, according to the same historians).
Therefore this Hannibal Barca should ressemble someone who has light brown skin, mediterranean/North african and middle eastern features, not sub-saharan african features.
Same deal with Cleopatra, the name is of greek origin, that should tell enough about her ascendancy, but that's besides the point, im just being salty
Oh boy, let me talk to you about a country called Egypt...
@@arthurdaffos1490 That's the essence of woke-ism, especially on historic-based movies they "mutilate" the characters/concept to satisfy woke/diversity agendas while in reality people get mad cause their history/ancestry is being misrepresented and butchered. All consumers want are good quality movies not diversity crap, why would you watch something that is a flop story and "advertises" their politics to your brain all while you pay for it?
People : we want to evade our boring reality, we want to have fun, we want to be inspired by characters that couldnt exist IRL
Industry : Best i can do is DEI and unfinished products
True. I want to add. They only believe in the identities of DEI that benefits them. Nobody of them want to include the identities nation, lanugage, political affiliation and so fort. Because they would have to give their jobs and movie industry to other nations, because every nation has to be porportionally epresented otherwise it is systemic and instituational discrimination according to their ideology. So they believe in DEI when it benefits them, they dont believe in it when it disbenefits them.
Industry : We asked our sensitivity readers and they said fun is forbidden now.
@@paulw5039??
I greatly enjoy that Asmongold slowly but surely had no other choice but to directly watch & react to the culturewar.
Just like bullys you can't ignore it after all, cause just like bullys, the culturewar is not going to ignore *YOU.*
They are here to pester, to hurt, to attack and to insult.
Cause they are insecure, envious and unhappy in their general loser lifes.
When people think of beloved strong female lead characters... I would bet that MOST people first think of Ripley from Alien.
Tell me how many times her character points out that she's strong and/or female.
Yeah but the people who are complaining about the lack of strong women don't know those characters. They don't watch the movies or the series or don't play the video games, they just talk about them.
Ripley and Sarah Conner are the first two that come to mind. Then Leia, Clarice, Trinity, Buffy, all of Charlies Angels, Scully, Aeryn Sun, and Xena. List gets deeper if you include cartoons and anime.
@@stephenclark4258 angela basset strange days, Quellcrist Falconer, thandie newton as maev in westworld, every other angelina jolie movie, every other julia roberts movie. All the women of 90s Adams Family [new Wednesday is not a strong female lead, she is a Mary Sue], Cap. Janeway and 7of9 in Star Trek Voyager, little girl from True Grit, matilda the professional.
There is absolutely no need for the proliferation of "strong female lead." They are already competently proliferated by good writers who write character first, gender last.
I think of Sarah Connor!
Oh yeah, when you do it RIGHT.
GOOD story, the right Lady... IT'S GOLD!
The original Mulan
23:29 23:33 Did that walking checkbox just call her Candace Owen's Jr?
_"Nobody gives a shit about She-Hulk!"_
Nobody gave a shit about Iron Man until 2008, either. The difference is that Iron Man was made with talent and care, while She-Hulk was used as a mouthpiece for talentless wine aunt writers.
“Wine aunt atrocious fan fiction writers”
Another perfect example that people don’t mention often is Guardians of the Galaxy. Nobody gave a shit about them until the movie(as well as it riding the success of iron man and avengers) until they had a good movie come out
For _freaking_ real.
I only liked Hulk and Spider Man from the entire of Marvel, BUT the MCU made me care about all of them.
@kaynekovack5968 yes as a comic book fan I can tell you had had a massive fan base even guys who watched animations mainly know him it was just lazy superhero movie watchers who didn't even bother to check what was going on outside of movies in superhero genre that didn't know him
Yeah Asmon's argument on this is stupid, whether people give a shit about a character beforehand makes no difference because if people hear that the movie is good, they'll see it.
Nobody mentions kill bill. Immensely successful awesome movies about strong female character. Was it good because it had women? No, it was just a good movie, with good acting and writing.
There are many good movies with strong females. But those movies didn't focus on "the message" or in those movies they didn't have to minimize the men either. They were good writen movies.
Terminator
Wonder woman (the first one)
Xmen
Star wars
Halloween
And more
@@jessy8a10 To this day one of my favorite female-led movie is China O'Brien. Such an awesome movie if you're looking for nice choreographed fight scenes. A little cheesy here and there but I loved it. Especially the biker dude pulling off Chris Angel stunts. XD
@leoncoben6983 thanks :) .. Now u made me remember kill bill another good movie with a strong female
Yep people don't hate strong female leads, they hate bad writing.
Alein franchise anyone and that started in 1979.
People forget that one of the best musicals is South Park: Longer, Bigger & Uncut...
Content is king. Everything else is secondary. If the stroy doesnt drag you in. It won't matter.
"Who cares about She-Hulk?" I would if the made a good story and interesting character. Quality should determine success, not nostalgia.
Didn't even have to be high quality, If they had fun with she Hulk and treated it like it was a massive WWE skit ppl would like it, they treated it as an SI for their bitter woke nonsense, and no one is interested watching that
I don't care about she-hulk at all but I do care about the fact that they completely minimized the character development of the Hulk. This chick is just super good at everything. Everything that Bruce struggled with, she just owns it
Exactly, I think people are usually open to new characters they have never heard before as long as they are well written and enjoyable to watch.
im not a comic book fan but wasn't the guardians of the galaxy not that popular as a comic until the movie came out? were they c list heroes too?
She-Hulk was a real character but it was all tongue in cheek. It was a joke comic. They are so clueless, they took it literally and made a show that wasn't a comedy.
Someone in the comment mentioned this - The first Blade movie is one of the best black-lead comic book movies of all time, second only to it's sequel.
These movies are somehow always left out of the conversations - they are cult classics
and that's basic and natural diversity and inclusion already. movies in our era has always has been. this "diversity and inclusion" thing they're doing is a marketing ploy. it's like them selling free clean water to people.
Blade is one of the best Marvel movies.
I remember MSM propping up Black Panther as the first black-led comic book movie when it came out. Also, Blade had one of the best intros for any protagonist in an action movie, let alone comic book movie.
@RadioactiveDinosaurYep, there is a blank period in a lot of people’s minds from about 1995-2009 where no one cared about the race of lead actors and none of this woke brain rot on both sides of the political spectrum existed. My father told me that Obama caused a lot of the race relations to fall apart in America indirectly and directly.
I feel like diversity in media does best when it's implicit. The character doesn't need to make a speech about white privilelge or male privilege. If the character is black or a woman and they are doing amazing heroic things, that speaks for itself. If they do struggle against discrimination, that needs to be center to the story and be told in a good way, narrative wise, like Mulan, or The Hunchback of Notre Dame, or some episodes of Avatar The Last Airbender.
Anyone here post release of The Acolyte?
Strong Female Characters always existed, not as many as male to be fair but they were there. They just get badly writen in the current time.
One of my favorite examples for a strong female character is to this day Lieutenant Colonel Samantha Carter from Stargate SG-1/Atlantis. This woman kicked ass and was inteligent without being a power trip. One of the best moments was when she had to admit that she needed help from Ba'al to read an Alien inscribtion while he was riding his superiority complex. She wasnt above admiting she needed help but she also punched him in the face afterwards to signal that she doesnt take shit from him.
This is not about female or male - this is about well writen or not. And suprise suprise a lot of those woke activists dont know shit about character writing.
That earnest guy undercuts everything he says, and you nail it at the end. The constant eye rolling, the holier than thou remarks, Thinking everything is sexist/transphobic/misogynistic. These people are unpleasant to be around because it feels like you can never tell a joke and are constantly walking on egg shells. Then companies like Disney go out of their way to cater their movies to people like him, and what it results in is just an unpleasant movie trying to cater to unpleasant people. Largely speaking the vast majority of people don't have an issue with diversity or inclusion. What they have a problem with is when these elements are put at the forefront of entertainment, instead of simply telling a good story, or making a fun game.
I agree.
It’s literally a problem of priorities.
Your No.1 priority should be making a good story, book, comic, movie, series or game.
If your No.1 priority is DEI, then you are inevitably going to sacrifice making the best product that you can because it is not your main priority.
In real life, people are friends because they are comfortable to call each other nasty words about their appearance, ideals and even past behaivor. But everyone knows it's in good fun, because these are... well, your friends.
The twitter mob has no friends. They are united by their lack of social interaction.
I used to hang out in a streamer friends discord channel and have a great time, I felt like I could just be myself and relax around my friends in there. She happened to be trans but I didn't give a sh*t about that, she was fun to hang out with and was a good friend. I used to moderate for her stream channel and would hang out with everyone in virtual reality all the time. After her channel started to get super popular I felt like I was getting pushed further and further from her community, it was getting filled to the brim with people just like Ernest. After that, instead of relaxing and having a great time I was always trying to be careful about everything I said, walking on eggshells. Even with me being so careful, because I said 'hey guys' to a group of people, an Ernest in that group added me to some sort of blacklist of people. This list was consistently shared with other Ernest's so they could ban everyone on the list, even if they haven't ever interacted with the people or even seen them at all. It's fricken crazy man.
Narcissist trying to hide behind virtue signaling
What if MOST people do have a problem? Because MOST do.
They did better rePrEsEnTaTiOn when they didnt care about it. We all saw these old movie cartoons such as Mulan, Lilo and Stitch, Pocahontas
true its funny how beloved the old Proud family was on disney and the new one did nothing but shit on everything that made the original good.
very true.
@@keyki9832because they were smart about it.
Look at 2000s Static Shock cartoon - literally had an episode where titular Black protag and his White BFF got kidnapped and their fathers went to look for kids... But White Father was a racist... Not a caricature of one... A reasonable person with flaws. Flaws that didn't came out of nowhere - his world view became like that because for years he was social worker in ghetto and was dissapointed again and again by deeds of local black people. And MC's Black Father calls him out on it, reminds that every person is different and they MUST put their prejudices aside and work TOGETHER to find their sons and just BE BETTER for the sake of their sons even if their life experiences make it hard for them.
And it wasn't presented like preaching - it was exactly presented like one parent talking to the other. Heck, racist White Father was specifically presented as a very decent person aside for his flaw not as a BAD person. Just a man who had actual reasons to have a worldview he had and reflected on his actions by the end of episode deciding to be better for the sake of his son.
You can even argue that moral of the story was not just "Racism is bad" but "Parents have to try to better themselves for the sake of their kids" using "Racism" as the example of a "flaw" one can have.
Gen X vs. Millennial writing. The millennials clearly have worse media literacy and knowledge of compelling narratives and themes.
The entire industry was doing better prior too. Current movies failing with horribly written female leads being blamed on sexist men not wanting that in their movies.. but men loved Sarah Conners and Ellen Ripley making those franchises successful.... because THEY WERE WELL WRITTEN. Imagine that. Captain Marvel failed because it was written by activists making a point instead of writers telling a good story.
Black Panther also *makes sense*. It takes place in Africa, specifically in a very Bantu part of Africa. The cast *should* be african
Disney inadvertently created an eco system of creators who have pivoted to speaking all most exclusively about Disneys down fall
She Hulk is cool in the comics, but the showrunner made her awful, stupid, cringe and pathetic.
The biggest issue is Hulk's entire development was about controlling his anger allowing him to control his power but she hulk's power is amplified by hatred of men with complete control without any character development with the added excuse of "women have had to deal with men therefore they've been controlling their anger since the beginning of human history" kind of BS. The core value is literally "women strong, men weak."
Comics? U srs?
@@duewhat9815with lot of cartoon and comics. I actually love Hulk but hate Banner. Hulk is simple story of angry men learning to self control and understanding the world around him. Banner felt less impressive.
The writers also do not read the comics as well when they wrote the script
When you make a good character so insufferable, that some of the audience *wants* them dead so they’re out of the story, you know you messed up. I was just waiting for She-Hulk to be humbled or killed off, so Banner took her place.
A teenager working minimum wage at McDonald's has a better understanding in how to treat a customer than whole marketing and publicity departments of big companies. Even worse; when the teenager mistreats the customer he gets fired, if they mistreat them they get a raise of a promotion.
The issue with diversity politics in entertainment companies is that having an opposing view is easily labelled as racism and you will be reported to HR and fired, so any rational person even remotely suggesting "hey guys this is going overboard a bit maybe we do it a different way" is gone, or is not speaking in fear of losing their job.
That's not right, it's not fair, and it's definitely not healthy.
because the left side are defending the teenager. That is like having parents defend their own spoil kid. Leftist liberal media and youtubers like John Campea defend these bad behavior.
I'm pretty sure my local McDonald's fired all the teenagers and hired a bunch of migrants that don't speak English.
@@sharkshock9080 Majestic maneuver, they can't talk shit if they don't know how to speak the same language
Minimum wage teenagers don’t know anything they can’t handle marketing strategy, just because they can find some areas of improvement doesn’t mean they understand the sales funnel bozo kid
Lol at the end holds a book up ... ty mate ..I know what book to dodge lol
The problem with Disney or Hollywood in general is they have a very strong urge to make everything a franchise when most movies don't need or is not fit for having a franchise.
I got so annoyed that the CC guy, who looks like he should be a professional. Could not go 10 seconds with out eye rolling and facial silliness. I would think that would be the “unprofessional” YT people.
I KNOW, RIGHT?
It really shows the maturity of people being hired to write stories and defend them.
As a story writer and animator, it’s genuinely frustrating and depressing.
His eyes are probably connected to that single fly between his ears.
I agree. They should only hire robots and psychopaths who can hide their emotions.
People displaying emotions or getting angry about other people displaying emotions are unfit to be seen.
@@ShizlgizlI didn't think you got the point my guy, this is a discussion/debate. A certain level of professionalism or courtesy is required when listening to other people not making faces at their talk. Last time I remember someone not respecting another debater is in elementary. If you still think otherwise, then I'm telling you in a healthy way you might be unpleasant to talk irl.
@@rishiredij2449 I think the argument the way you frame it completely fair, but it's different from OP's. Looking back I could have framed mine better too.
We're watching a guy whose inseperable part of the brand is making faces while reacting to videos. That made me question how much of the outrage (OP is not alone) stems from disrespect and how much of it stems from that guy's lack of charisma and the side he took in the debate.
I still think you're right that even is Asmon was acting his usual self on debate it would be unprofessional, but I get the feeling OP wouldn't consider this standard of professionalism (being a robot in debates).
Disney used to touch our heart. Now it touches inappropriately
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Mate, true that, I think the only Disney/Marvel movie I am going to watch is the next Deadpool movie, anything else is most likely not on my radar.
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The Firefly series was also diverse. Well written and casted characters shine brighter than their appearance 💖
Dune 2 has plenty of diversity and it was a phenomenal film. It also doesn’t force feed the fact that it’s a diverse cast down your throat. It cares more about world building and immersion. What really matters is not the “inclusion” shit, but is the movie entertaining?
Bald black dude was actually right on his first point. People aren't mad at films with a diverse cast. They're mad when a classic character is Race or gender swapped so blatantly for some political bs. I guarantee if instead of Madame web where they have 4 spider females, had they Released a Storm movie and done it justice it would have been a global hit.
But at the same time nor Nerdrotic, nor the Critical Drinker have ever made apoint against diversity. They hate FORCED diversity tho, and the way modern Hollywood does it nowdays.
Agree. Hes wrong and they are wrong and right at the same time.. people aren’t listening to each other..
A storm movie done really well would sell bank. And it’s not becuase shes black.
He got it right almost on accident; it's been one car crash after another, including his mic quality
Bro I'd watch the hell out of a well made Storm movie. She was one of my favorite characters back in the old 90's cartoon.
They would NEVER try to make Storm white, it would outrage everyone! Even my white @$$! She could literally change the world with her powers. Bring rain to droughted areas, move torrential rains away to avoid flooding, counter storm hurricanes to cancel them out. She would save thousands of lives on a weekly basis. But multicultural Spider People or "Eternals" is pandering at this point. Miles gets a pass because he's an original character, not black Peter Parker.
Black Panther made sense ... it's like, they're complaining about the fact that there are no Black people in Shogun, a time period series about Japan.
White people hardly even existed at that time over there, so of course the cast is going to be "Asian" (Japanese) only. It makes sense.
It's come to a point where identifying woke films has become too easy, because they're instantly and constantly shoving it down your throat.
Or when people said Dunkirk had too many white people 😂
@@scottfitz6582 hahaha yeah, I'd forgotten about that one xD
Absolutely.
There was even a legendary black samurai actually, which was also the main inspiration for Afro Samurai centuries later.
It was around the same time period at that. They actually could, if they really wanted tbh
@@danpmss You're talking about Yasuke. He wasn't a samurai, he was a sword bearer. Basically, a squire.
@@Shane-un8pe It heavily depends on how one defines "samurai" to this day, but it's not untruth to consider or call him one, academically speaking.
You could tell when Black Panther 2 had a BIG tonal/writing room shift. Part of the movie they had dedicated to Chadwick Bozeman was amazing and really tugs on your heart strings, great part. Then when it shifts over to the conflict between Suri and Nemor you will find yourself questioning a lot of actions and choices, even for a superhero movie. Like the characters are supposed to be geniuses and wise but they make terrible decisions. Who attacks a sea based opponent with a boat when you have something they want on a land locked area???
I personally like musicals but I understand they aren't for everyone, I think those that happen to like them most often are people with a background in the arts like myself, so who have an understanding on the bar of talent and work that goes into making that such a thing work, and thus pleasing for us to watch, but we also think about everything that is going on at that moment and we disect it. In music, I love picking out the different instruments, Dog fights in songs especially, the closest rock gets to this is dueling guitar solos.
Much like how a dark souls player enjoys learning timing and move sets, they have patience beyond measure at times, take those same players, would likely hate playing the cokefuel run n' gun fest that is the latest CoD. Whilst both are gaming, we can appreciate the skill and talent knowing what goes into each of those respectively whilst also knowing it isn't for us.
The guys HAS to say "people want to see diverse films" and not say " people want good films" because he literally gets paid for that.
Ernest's eyes must hurt from all that rolling.
Don't worry he doesn't feel it. His brain is too busy trying to find things to be offended about.
agreed, his mannerisms are annoying and cringe.
@@odyssey-_-23These people think funny faces are all they need to be hilarious and impactful
Hey, atleast he now has map out the back of his skull.
Maybe he has a severe concussion from shaking his head 😂
Is The Baby Driver a Musical? It had a lot of music sinked with the action and also emotions. I think it was one of the best movies I watched. Sorry for my bad English. Can someone tell me if it is or not.
Well, if the characters don't sing their lines, it's not.
Great movie
@@thereflextester I love it a lot I can rewatch it when I am bored as many Movies now arent that good except Puss in Boots which was amazing. I recommend to watch it as It is emotional.
Yeeeah! Gary and Drinker! LESSGOOOOO! I'm checking this video of Asmongold, cause it got Nerdrotic and Drinker in the thumbnail. Hail The Fellowship, Hail 199!
EDIT: I heard Asmon has some good takes and some that ain't that good. Agreed. I mean I know it is opinions, and much of this is subjective... The CEOs of Disney, and Hollyweird in general, actively promote not knowing source material as a good thing, *_publicly!_* From everything I've heard at least. They are doing it openly cause right now they are operating on the basis of _"Yeah, we own these properties now and what are you gonna do about it?!"_ Because they want to *DESTROY* modern mythos and entertainment - they are dedicated to it. Asmon says over and over again that these actors, producers and whatnot kept running their mouth and that's why these movies flopped and the management shoud've kept them in check - which is a part of it, but how could they do that, if the decision makers, the CEOs and other higher-ups didn't allow it?! Answer is they did, it's always a top-down decision.
absolutely wild that a godzilla and king kong movie is obliterating Marvel at the box office something went seriously wrong with Disney
Nah monster verse is awesome, and always will be. People are tired of forced agendas.
I’m waiting for them to make Godzilla’s atomic breath rainbow and try to explain that one 😂.
That movie was incredibly entertaining. They kept the human characters few and far between.
@@michaelcastoriaNah that could actually look good. Shouldnt be Godzillas, but another monster with a similar attack thats rainbow would be dope. Think like the dragons in Book 3 of ATLA
mothra is not supposed to be a Flash Light it's a Moth not some Light Bulb
She hulk wasnt even jacked. Not even the guys with muscle fetish could watch it.
Lol exactly
As a Hulk fan, I'm disappointed in Disney Marvel for not letting Hulk get his revenge on Thanos after Infinity War. I so wanted a one on one throwdown similar or greater than Hulk vs Hulkbuster in Age of Ultron. Another one is not giving Hulk his own movie series. I like the Ant Man but the Hulk should've had his own series before Ant Man.
She also was just really boring and uncharasmatic unlike they way she was In the comics or animated shows
They basically wrote her to always point out things to make you roll your eyes than to laugh, it was supposed to be a comedy and it was a joke that they wrote something so bad and not even similar to the source
Marvel does tell their actors to not read the comics but writers too, yeesh
@@AerysTMD
Hulk had that back in the day with Edward Norton.
@@LUCAS420BLZuhm she hulk was highly charismatic in the comics and very entertaining.
I was genuinely trying to figure out which one of the superheroes is Bobby 🤣🤣
The mic issues are with the connection not there equipment as I watch nerdrotic and critical d4injer and there mics are really good normally
24:02 when people say “people want diverse films” isn’t that proven wrong when diverse films fail, people want good films whether they are diverse or not
Once Disney made Luke skywalker a bitch, they died forever
Disney really went the "I made your game my bitch." Route
@@zuzusflower9503 dude the saddest part is that I recently started reading the legacy of the force books (which essentially the same time period as the sequels in legends) and it’s like Luke can tell that Han’s son is turning to the dark side, but for a lot of the time he’s genuinly worried about him. And he doesn’t blame him either, he can tell that there’s somebody manipulating him (which is mostly true) and that if he could just get that person out of the picture then Han’s son would be easy to bring back to the light.
It’s just like… DUH. That’s what Luke would actually think. Obviously. He always assumes the best in people even if it gets him into trouble. He doesn’t go around assassinating his own family in their sleep.
Disney allergic to superior white man
And happy family
So they destroy luke leia and solo story
@@irfanzain2347 and then cry "racism and sexism" when it fails horribly
@@Zlittlepenguinyeah that scene is the only time I got to see a green lightsaber, since luke uses a virtual version of the blue one that Kylo ren watched explode in the previous battle. I have to ignore Luke being a near murderer to see his lightsaber 😂
Awesome story to hear about Asmon and his mom watching Black Panther and how his mom enjoyed it. something they both can share they had in common. I could relate to my mom as well very cool.
Tenacious D is the only musical I can revisit
The pet store analogy is fkn awesome. Imagine every time you buy food for your dog they lecture you why don`t you have cat or vice versa. Every fkn time, all the time. And when you go and buy cat and dog food they start talking you about fish or hamsters?
That’s just called selling you animals 😉
I better analogy is: A guy goes to a restaurant and orders a medium-well steak, the steak comes out and it's burned. So the guy calls the waiter back and says "Hey, this steak isn't how I ordered it"
Then the waiter says: How dare you, a strong, lesbian, independent woman burned that steak and you better like it istaphobe"
Have your pets spayed and neutered by from the price is right- Bob Barker.
They will soon ask why aren't you feeding the Gaza Palestine and Haiti people...
And all this is total BS. No one CARES about DIwhatever. We want good actors and good story. I am pretty sure all we want is Idris Elba as Bond! No one will bat an eye.
I need one of these influencers to point out the simple fact that 50% or more Male gamers when playing an MMO create an attractive female character rather than someone that "represents" them. If we have to stare at something for hours at a time, it might as well be appeasing. Gamers DO NOT CARE about representation we just want something fun to look at. Whether it's Kratos godlike physique and tattoos or 2B's greatest assets. We DON'T care about seeing ourselves in games as long as the main character is good looking or well written. Like everyone says, gaming is an ESCAPE. The last thing I wanna see in a fantasy world (as much as I love myself) is myself or being reminded about the real world.
I didn't know a lot of people make themselves in character creators. I always make the most insane acid wash color blind character every time.
If I can play as a female I will play as a female, you are 100% right 😅😂
I love having the options yeah, it's why i really loved FF14.
I can make a cute girl, i can make her sexy or i can make her really badass in heavy armor and glowing weapons.
Or i can just make a good-looking guy that i would 'aspire" to become if i could.
Same man, my character creation are always
1. Glasses, big Boba nerd girl (it's a plus if her class is Priest)
2. An abomination of Squidward.
Yes true.. i play games to "live" through the eyes of the character... not to "inject" myself into the story.. that is.. narcissistic and weird... a majority of my characters are female... "body type 2".. lmao.. y? because of the different perspective.
Man south parks the best w that 😂😂
Many stories nowadays are not stories, they're guidelines. That's when you have to wary of what's going on. When a story is just a story, you can just innocently watch and not care about who is what or what each person does. An innocent story is declarative, not imperative.
It's INSANE that Critical Drinker is on here, what a legend.
This was his second appearance too, he did one a week or two before and was just as good, same with Nerdrotic. We need to see the bridge between the two worlds more.
I think they need a bit more time to adapt. They're used to speaking freely instead of pre-planned sound bites
@@Gaming_Sparky58 - oh really? That's cool. Not really a fan of Piers Morgan, but glad it's getting a little bit more traction now. I'm a huge fan of Star Wars, it's a fantastic franchise that's been utterly ruined by Disney.
pierce has been interviewing internet people for a while, since his show is basically an internet show now.
Yeah. famous people getting on TV is FUCKING CRAZY!!!
"there is a lot of miss information" I know right, imagine that coming out of his mouth.
The issue is companies have spent to much tike changing characters to make films more diverse, making to many movie in general and then making them for the purpose of checkijg boxs rather than telling a good story. You can have diverse films and tv. Star trek one of the most successful science fiction IPs all time made a name for its self for its diversity at one of the most divisive times in american history, but the story telling was phenomenal. And there was something in the show for everyone. The fallout tv show had a female lead and a black secondary character. The show was raved about because they stuck to the lore and did a good job with the story telling. The halo tv show was panned because they told the people making it to not play the games. They changed characters they focused on story telling with some box checked that made absolutely not sense and completely changed the lore. The second season was much hetter because they started to push the characters development and story back to what the games were about. Sadly they screwed up way to had out of the gate that i dont think they will continue it. Disney race swapped the little mermaid when they didnt need to to check a box. When they could have done a live action princess and the frog movie which ill add was a great animated film and featured a massively diverse portrayal of characters and had political undertones. But it was a good film.
Here's the thing. Representation is a good thing. But again, it's a momentarily happy impulse and that's it.
Fast & Furious 6, the last Chris Pine led Star Trek had Indonesian representation in it. Indonesians were riled up for a moment, but that's it. At the end of the day, it's about what the movie brings.
That's why Stuber wasn't really quite popular to Indonesians, even though it has an Indonesian actor as the villain. It's about the movie itself at the end of the day.
The woke enthusiast was so salty the entire time. My man is literally immune to reason.
Find me one cult member who is reasonable. He literally is a book writer for the cult of course he can't see reason.
Constantly shaking no with his head. 4 people laughing together a couple times but not him. I think it's awefull to be him, no humor what so ever.
He advertised his book at the end. He is capitalizing off of people who agree with him. He has to act that way in public to get paid.
Who's?
"You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into." - Baldie himself
"Why would internal strategy matter if consumer perception of it is bad? It doesn't matter what your goal is if your goal fails." You hit the nail on the head.
They legit killed my childhood and made me watch it bleed out exactly why I don’t watch marvel anymore since GOTG3
"transgender muslim" that really got me lmao
And it was just a dishonest dogwhistle. Whenever any of those comments are made I know the speaking is dishonest
@@MrzPicklez i don't understand what you said
@@masaiyd he is implying hidden agenda to rile up people against transgender muslims
@@masaiyd he is implying hidden agenda to rile people up against _transgender muslims_
Which obviously wasn't the point
@@MrzPicklez it is a dog whistle and you would be the dog for reacting to it
Guy rolls his eyes more than my teenage son when he'd effed up royally, knows he's in the wrong, and just doesn't want to hear it. I had to learn that lectures mean nothing, only consequences change behavior. God bless him tho (my son), he's become a truly stand-up person who I admire.
Unlike the guy on the screen right now 💀
They remember the lecture when they're dealing with the consequences and think "dammit my dad was right"
@davidandrews5262 Can confirm, had that exact thing happen to me. Not fun being on the receiving end, but it teaches you life lessons REAL quick.
Never even knew Blue Beetle got a movie. Waiting to find super powers blue beetle and that really cool vehicle, it is the coolest, the all clear plastic jet was cool but wing doors arrre so cool.
Got em. How many copies/variants are they putting out for these, 5 of every main money maker? And that is not the batmobile we had, we had the 60s looking hand me downs, until keatons black buety.
OMG THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT BARBIE? I only got it once Piers said "at the Oscars it was all about Ryan Gosling". I thought they were talking about some flick called "Bobby".
My lil sister said something to me about Disney and it hit me ...Disney stories at their core were about love which is our most important aspect of being human and now their stories are about power
Insightful sister, bro.
“True love conquers all”
“Absolute power corrupts absolutely”
That's very touching, very true, and also disturbing. I think she nailed it.
Fun fact: this is an edited version. In the original, Ernest calls the woman on the panel Candace Owens to insult her...
Edit: i missed it on the first couple times watching it, thanks to the gents in the comments for the timestamps.
I heard it around 23:30~
Progressive Leftists are fond of ad hominem attacks.
When they cannot refute an argument with logic and reason, they attack the person instead.
Edit (side note) - How the hell does Asmongold not know that "Gone With The Wind" is NOT A MUSICAL?
There used to be many great musical movies, but culture has changed. Musicals were hugely popular with the Greatest Generation and with the Silent Generation that followed them. Even many baby boomers enjoyed musicals. It's only relatively recently with Millennials and later generations that they've declined precipitously. The "GLEE" tv show did really well, so even among young folks there is still an audience.
Candace Owens Junior.... yes. Is in minute 23:30. He is a total clown.
Look at lad with the glasses trying to not burst out laughing, he never saw that south park clip before.
Best superhero ever: Man MAN. His power is making rational decisions and staying levelheaded during tough times.
Identity politics doesn’t attract mainstream audiences. If you divide your audience don’t expect your audience to grow. If you cater for one group, especially if it is a niche, don’t expect a mainstream success. If in addition to this agenda pandering you suffer from a serious lack of creativity, talent and passion, you should not be surprised if a lukewarm reception is the best you can expect and in general you are pushing commercial AND creative flops. If you have an agenda, fine, if you want to target a niche audience, fine, but do so with new material, do so with creative storytelling. Create NEW epic heroes and tales, but if you fail don’t blame the audience and (grassroots) critics. In a way the customer is always right and customers, in general as a mainstream audience, are rejecting the identity agenda driven movies and stories. The people who push this are suffering from an extreme case of denial. It is a culture war, don’t be fooled. It is not a matter of taste if it is structural. There are always flops, but this is not what is happening in the entertainment business right now.
I just love how there are apparently 2 different realities we live in. Disney creates tons of unwatchable, boring and leftist /POC-pandering garbage and really asks "Why wont they see it? What went wrong? It must be racism."
Yeah, thats how cult mentality tends to work 😑
But what about all the popular and interesting leftist /POC-pandering stuff (Moana, Soul, Encanto, etc) they make that are still very popular. Wokeness neither makes or breaks a show, it being good or bad(which is completely unrelated) does.
@@frosthammer917 The profit margins are much lower overall. They pay useless people to "work" on the stuff, then the stuff sells fewer copies. It's not about the thing being seen by millions of people. It's that it needs to be seen by ENOUGH millions of people. If Disney has the same profit margins as your local pizza joint, why even be in the content production business? That's what many shareholders are asking but unfortunately the cultists are in charge of the money so Disney has to go broke.
@@frosthammer917 I don't recall Moana being woke? Are you talking about female lead? Idt any1 cares about that per se. Also, it's not POC pandering, it's organically based on that culture (you can watch the Making Of, they took a lot of inspiration from natives there).
Same reason people don't mind Black Panther cast. It's not pandering. The other trash that has been releasing in the past few years, though, is precisely that; where it is purely shoved at your face, completely unnecessary, all about minority/gender empowerment, forced inorganic diversity and orientations, for no apparent reason, with no respect to the viewers, the plot, and in some cases (adaptations/remakes) - the original story. That's the issue, at least imo.
@@ishay3000Moana was nearly a decade ago, and Black Panther was nearly six years ago. They were in production prior to that, before all this started happening in full swing. A ‘blockbuster’ movie released in 2024 for instance probably would have started production in 2021 for instance.
If it's about representation only, that'd only cater to the people that it represents. The other range of audience wouldn't care much, or at all, unless it brings a recognition about what's unique about that representation
Rush Hour wasn't a success because it's led by a Chinese and an black American actor. It was a success because it gives quite a recognition on how funny the dynamics of a Chinese man and a black American man can be.
People are also really intrigued by KDramas just fine, because those often bring new things to film audiences about some things unique about Korea or Korean themselves, that can attract attention from any range of audience
35:35 I was thinking this the whole interview 😂
“Who cares about she-hulk?” No one cared about guardians of the galaxy, it doesn’t matter if the character is popular or not, what matters is if it’s written good, acted good and have compelling story, asmon’s logic strikes again.
Good writing a good director and good world building.
She was very well liked among comic book fans. The show though managed to get literally everything wrong about the character though.
People went to watch them mainly because they were being involved with Thanos and the stones, shown multiple times in the end of every video
But almost everyone left enjoying them because it was good overall
she hulk could have been good but the people writing don't know shit about her or even about law which is the fucking title of the show
@@dougfax Marvel = 2008 to 2019.
I love when people say the other side is just spewing misinformation and then continue to not clarify a single point of misinformation.
I LUV Esther!! She is my hero on Pier's Morgan! I could listen to her speak perfect english for hours and hours... She is pretty easy on the eye too! More Esther!!
BTW Asmon.. it's time you stepped up. You are an excellent interviewer and can control an interview/conversation. You are very well versed and up to date on sooooo many issues. You could do a talk show like Piers.. U.S style. Do a few live streams to get a feel for it.. I know you have already taken some small steps into this arena.. through your mediation videos. I would love to see it!! Bring it on!!!
Black Panther was good but let’s not pretend it’s diverse, if I made a movie with only white people you wouldn’t call it diverse so why would you call black panther diverse?
Shocker, people want a little escapism that's worth their time, not something that's an allegory for politics so they can preach at you with what you've been told many times in reality. Nobody wants this shit
I stopped watched wednesday because the woke messaging annoyed me too much. When wednesday started preaching about white washing of history or telling a dude he's mansplaining, i just turned it off.
Good story & entertainment matters most but if the woke messaging, identity politics, forced diversity, representation, gender politics & mary sue is there, thats enough to stop watching as well.
The thing about "political breasts" is that in today's insanity driven environment, they kind of are, you've seen the IGN france meltdown over Eve from Stellar Blade, it is not an isolated issue, it is an ideological objection to female beauty, as stupid as that sounds.
The lady was completely imagining her case about the Barbie movie. Acting like it was a flop, "abomination," etc. when it was very well received and record-breaking box office sales.
Piers is also completely imagining it being about bashing men and "only women things are good." That didn't happen. It's like he anticipated that happening and decided it's reality
All this time I thought they are talking something about this bobby and i don't know what they were on about until i heard ryan gosling 🤣🤣
Esther is based af.
Also, Black Panther is from 2018 - before Endgame - and the second one was a bust. They have to stop using that as an example. Even Bob did it in the shareholder meeting. It's bad analysis and a clear lack of understanding the market.
I'd hardly call 859 mil a bust, no Marvel movie is gonna hit over a Billion anymore. It's franchise fatigue and the general audience basically being done with superhero genre in general.
@@ChrisDeebo We don't really know the numbers, but 859 mil is aboslutely not that great a number, when we consider how much the cinemas take, and the fact the actual cost of the movie nowadays is about twice its budget (marketing and all that).
Estimates put profit at 260 mil, while 170 mil of that is from streaming. Money that Disney gets to decide how to attribute, as the whole system is theirs. So, anywhere between 90 and 260 million dollars. Not terrible, but not a milestone either.
Compared to previous years' movies, it absolutely underperformed, and that is the best outcome from that year. It's not a good look.
@@ChrisDeeboThere is absolutely no fatigue. You make a good movie and people will watch it. This is just a lazy excuse and lack of creativity
@@vb2806 That is true if you make a good movie people will come. Last year Barbie made 1.4 billion and Super Mario made 1.3 Bbllion. Neither of those movies were my cup of tea but they succeeded. Unfortunately chance of Disney or WB getting money from Superheroes movies is growing slim. Hell Dune 2 was fantastic but so far only made over 600 mil 😐
@@habama1077 I'm only going by Box Office numbers anything pass that is just fluff imo but like I said no superhero will exceed Billion again. This is just the reality. Luckily for Disney Avatar is doing just fine
Disney has a problem hiring people for their actual qualifications in terms of skill and knowledge, and instead they prioritise people’s identity.
If you want a good movie, hire people who make good movies and ALSO know and love the source material.
Disney instead prioritise the person who will get them the most DEI, when that should be a secondary consideration.
Stories are about challenges that force characters to make decisions. Decisions reveal who a character is. The tougher the decision, and the more novel their answer is, the better the character. This applies no matter what demographic the character belongs to. But, we're lucky to see a lot of these new characters make any decisions at all and if they are forced to make one, more often than not it's a brain dead easy one to make or they just shrug until something happens to make the challenge go away. All the while you're being TOLD either by some side character, the character themselves, or marketing just how awesome they are.
The main issue is the writers aren't smart enough to tell the story or make a point in a non-contrived way. A good writer well look at Mike Pondsmith the writer for Cyberpunk, he doesn't beat you over the head with what is right or wrong he merely makes and shows you arguments and allows you to make choices and decide for yourself what right and wrong is, he isn't lecturing you on his beliefs or belittling your intelligence.
Prince of Egypt was an animated movie that was a musical, and it was awesome!
Agree, 100% one of my childhood favorites.
It is an amazing movie! But we are not talking about Prince Moses.
We are talking about one of the legendary villain THE JOKER and his gang from Gotham City fighting against the iconic Batman. I dont know how kids will stay for an hour and a half to listen to GAGA singing. My boy will kill me if I force that on him.
@@mariyan5433 Time will tell. I'm not a big fan of Gaga. But who knows, they might pull it off.
There isn’t superhero fatigue there’s bad movie fatigue. If these movies were good and had characters people cared about and didn’t spend the whole movie focusing on woke politics people would go see them in the masses.
The visuals for Barbie really captured peoples attention, particularly women.
28:20 Cannibal! The Musical - South Park: Bigger, Longer, Uncut - Team America: World Police. Those are the three good musicals I can think of…
Asmon is absolutely wrong about a character's "tier" mattering. What really matters is making them interesting and compelling. Normies didn't know many of the Marvel characters whose movies turned out to be successful, chief among them the Guardians of the Galaxy. I used to collect Marvel comics and even I barely knew of them.
Exactly, also on a more basic note, people have to start somewhere. It is not like (especially if you aren't from America) your parents would be so into comic characters and be like "wow, now I am gonna watch Iron Man with my child". Sure there were the comics, but I am sure for the majority it just looked like a cool film / series first, and only after watching it they liked the characters.
When the first MCU Iron Man film was released, I had no idea who he was.Iirc there was like one episode in the 90s Spider-Man cartoon where he appeared for like 5min, that was my Iron Man knowledge.
think that iron man was also a C-list hero before the first movie
@@gaysfortrump2024 before the MCU pretty much the whole roster is C-list to me as i grew up watching DC cartoons with the justice league. I guess the only marvel's heroes back then was only those whos on tv, like xmen with Hugh Jackman and the spiderman trilogy
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Feel like Asmon over-generalizes Marvel films success down to nostalgia when that's... really not true at all. They had fantastic casting, were well produced, and were pretty well marketed. Nostalgia may have even been a slight deterrent due to how terrible a lot of older Marvel films had been, vexing certain people from seeing later films.
People forgot some musicals that were just great movies. The south park movie is probably still one of my all time favorite movies. It was also a musical..
I like a ton of show tunes but hate musicals.
Bigger, Longer and Uncut is my all time favorite musical.
I listened to the soundtrack for BLU before I even saw it and the movie is amazing.
South Park is an institution.
musicals are the worst form of media the world has to offer.
Coming from a son of a mother who loves musicals, I think "ew" cuz musicals tbh... suck. The only musical that i tolerated was Phantom of the Opera bc the story AND the music was pretty okay. The rest, suck. Idk why my mother likes them so much. I find musicals to be the most fakest films and waste of money and time, but this is coming from me. I personally don't like musicals in general.
@@newmnsilver well put actually, the fakeness is a good point
little shop of horrors is currently one of my favorite movies and that's a musical
although musicals have a million ways to go wrong, not to mention its ties with cringe theater kids
Little shop of horrors is the 1 and only musical I can get behind
Couldn’t be more wrong the she hulk is the perfect example of men liking a woman character , at some point in time back in the day she hulk comic book was one of the most sold comic book of marvel and almost read only by men. People didnt watch she hulk because they didnt care about the comic its not because shes a woman its because it sucks
The oversaturation tipping point coincidentally took place the moment movies went woke🤔
what is woke to you tho? BG3 is the most woke game ever and also one of the most successful games ever. they have politics in there, but the writing and character development is amazing.
@@NormalCleanCars what polotics are in BG3?
@@YourLoveableBard are you serious?
BG3 has some woke narratives, but it does not demand that players abide by them. Take the arguably "political" narrative af the tiefling migrant refugees (if one wants to draw real world parallels, one can)... in a truly woke game there is no way the players would allowed to annihilate them. As for the romancing aspect of the gameplay, that is also entirely up to player preference and tastes. Woke games force narratives devoid of player choice.
@@YourLoveableBard in case you are serious, just look at Gordash and his plans... the devil himself... what about the Grove and politics there?