Don’t disagree with your idea but I’m wondering what will happen if they do get sick and get treated for free at hospital and don’t claim their insurance. Perhaps a healthcare surcharge should be imposed when foreigners apply for a UK visa.
I totally agree my friend is a consultant from Sir Sir Lanka he bought his mother over here and she had a new hip replacement!!!!!!!! My uncle had been waiting a year !!!!!! Its all wrong !
No. Don't charge upfront; we don't have the infrastructure that we have the space to deal with the health problems of people from other countries, regardless of the money the NHS makes. Emergency treatment only for foreign nationals..
Alan Gaillard, the whole NHS is plagued with bureaucracy and fundamental structure. The whole thing need to be independently investigated and reworked, so that the British people can get the most out of it!
@@stephenmurray2851 we really do. We're rather dependent on them as we have an aging population and not enough people going to (let alone graduating from) medical school.
I’ve been waiting for a hysterectomy for almost 3 yrs and it annoys me when foreigners come in and jump the queue when they haven’t paid a penny into the nhs
no travel insurance no travel not hard is it ??? refuse anyone who doesn't have it at the airport they are leaving from if the airports or airlines are unwilling to help then charge THEM for it
My brain refuses to even contemplate the views of the lady ? who thinks giving free NHS service is wonderful...I am here to tell her...NHS means NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE ...NOT INTERNATIONAL !!!! FOR gOD'S SAKE woman...get bloody real....James W H
It's not a free service, we pay for it through our taxes. Call me racist, biggoted , whatever but I dont want to pay for foreign peoplke to get for free what I have to pay for here and abroad. Doctors dont live in the real world!
So do foreigners not work in this country? They pay tax just like us. How about stopping tax avoidance from the rich. I think refusing healthcare because of wealth is shameful.
She’s half Ghanaian and I went to Ghana. I wasn’t allowed to enter the country without showing proof of yellow fever vaccination. I don’t hear her say there was racial profiling there.
It's the NHS, ie the National Health Service. The clue is in the name National. It's for UK people paid for by UK tax payers. It's not a Global Health Service
theyve already sold most doctors surgeries to american health companies, sold most police stations and created a pollice state more interested in protecting the property of wealthy russians funding the tory party although johnson has nothing but constant lies and denial
@Gold rush when I go abroad I have to pay if I need to go to docs or hospital ,so why is it everyone comes here for free ,look at the woman who got train from France to have Quads then went back to France she was an Immigrant in France
We have to have travel insurance, so why doesn't it work both ways as any other country in the world would make us pay first before any health treatment.
A relation went for a short four day break to Spain (Marbella), she never gave insurance a thought and she had let her European Health card expire. She fell over in the hotel and broke her hip and shoulder. She was rushed to hospital but would not be even looked at until she had deposited her credit card. After the x-ray she was not attended to until a third party guaranteed the whole cost of any required treatment. I will not go into the protracted details but it cost her the equivalent of £30,000.00. We should do the same because our NHS is abused beyond belief and can't cope with the British nationals let alone the foreign spongers and so called immigrants.
If these doctors are wanting to treat everybody around the world they should pay for it or go join a charity the nhs is uk made paid for by uk tax payers
I heard a story on LBC some time ago from a lady whose son had been involved in a motorcycle accident abroad, somewhere in Europe but I cant remember which country. He was in intensive care. When she had not heard from him for a week or so she started checking and found out he might be in hospital. She flew out there to see if it was him, when at the hospital the staff asked her to get his passport (which she did) to formally identify him. They then refused to give it back until someone had paid (many thousands) for his care. Other countries go to extreme lengths to get non nationals to pay for their treatment! Our docors are plain wrong!
We pay for our opticians , we pay for our dental treatment. AT THE POINT OF TREATMENT. Why should treatment by a Doctor or a Hospital be any different for a foreigner. It cannot cost anymore to collect their money than it does ours.
Oh, last bit. None of the panel has a clue about money and mis-spending. "£500M is nothing" Wtf 🤦♂️take it from their pockets and see how little they think it is. This attitude perpeutes misuse of funds through the country in its entirity
I would never go abroad without health insurance. Our NHS is the most wonderful thing and needs to be protected. These doctors are making a big mistake and are making a problem that I feel in the future will allow a government to say the NHS has to change because we can no longer afford it. The NHS is not free, the NHS is not a charity, The NHS needs protection. The NHS is funded by UK taxpayers.
I've been waiting 4 months to get my knee looked at, not even had a scan yet due to no stop cancellations etc so not being able to walk means not being able to work means hardship, debt etc. Not used the NHS for the past 25 years ( been paying tax & NI for 40 years) so have no idea if this is normal, but its beyond a joke.
I agree. Unfortunately opening our boarders and irresponsibly allowing the whole of Eastern Europe to come and use it for free created completely unsustainable pressure (the amount of immigrant doctors does not equate to the correct amount of people who have come and freely used it). I was always for the NHS but I’ve felt seriously let down in the last 5 years (I got arthritis from doughy surgery, I had to wait 8 months for a scan to diagnose me and physiotherapy is no longer 1:1, I was put in a room with 15 other patients with different limbs/problems and one physiotherapist). £200 a month comes out of my payslip and I’m having to pay another £200 on top of that just to have a consultation at a reasonable time! When I do get NHS appointments they are ALWAYS cancelled and moved further back. Why should I fund this crappy service when the ones who are benefitting the most are those who have paid the least in the system?
An ambulance service worker once told me, he had responded to Manchester Airport ,to at least half a dozen incoming air India/Pakistan flights , where a passenger was suffering from stomach complaints only to be whisked straight into Wythenshawe hospital (down the road) for treatment. National health service, not International health service. !!
Correct. I had to pay for my stent in Thailand which has a NHS for Thai people. I've lived there 36 years, paid taxes, yet I still have to pay. BTW, I'm OK with it.
The cost of collection is irrelevant; it is obviously part of the cost. It is about the infrastructure we have, what its capacity is, and the deterrent value of charging. Playing the race card is disgraceful.
The solution is so simple. No tourist gets into the country unless they can prove that they have sufficient current medical insurance to cover their treatment in the UK and fly them back home should this be required. Their treatment should take place in the private sector with the only exception being Accident and Emergency.
The simplest answer is to go for a compulsory insurance system such as Germany which is absolutely fantastic. If we did 12,000 less would have died from cancer in 2018 with their survival rate. The NHS is awful.
How does a country with great minds like Sir Issac Newton, can also raise people who don’t know what travel insurance is? And to think that we invented insurance!
Isaac Newton believed that he could turn base metals into gold, despite his genius. Perhaps therein lies the problem. Some people do not realise that they are in fact paying for it as individuals and collectively as a nation through tax contributions. It is a grotesque insult to those people that the service should be provided to people who do not have British national status, or rights extended through EU agreements. The introduction to the NHS public information documents from 1948 clearly stated this and also emphasised that "it is not a charity". Surely that is what overseas aid is for?
Goodness gracious, "I'm constantly being asked where I come from", I went to China, I am white with blonde hair and blue eyes, strangers came up to me and touched me and took pictures without asking. The very same would happen in many African countries.
What the headline of The Times says on the issue: "Making tourists pay to use NHS is racist, says doctors" What was actually said by doctors: “We are doctors not border guards... Charging migrants for accessing NHS services is a fundamentally racist endeavour - we are complicit in the oppressive regime.” Could someone please explain to me when the words "tourist" and "migrant" became synonyms?
As someone who spent 2000-2016 under the NHS and came out of there with more things than i went in with,all i can say is keep healthy and give hospitals a wide berth.
During a Holiday in Spain I had a bad spell and was taken to a Hospital the first thing they asked my name as I am English they then asked for my Credit card which I had to give them they charged me for the treatment but lucky for me my Travel Insurance covered it, if they can do it there why not here, they only need a card reader.
I am sure there a company somewhere who wud gladly take 10% of all monies they bring in on payments for treatments as a insentive to carrying out this work for free
Doctors in the NHS are very well paid by the public tax, they have a far greater responsibility to that taxpayer than the health and well being of the world. If the want to change that, then they should leave the NHS and volunteer their services free of charge somewhere else in the world.
How could it cost more money, to charge for care, than give it away freely. Also, what has this got to do with racism? If there were a case for claiming a racist bias, then it is against the British public, who are forced to pay for a health service that non nationals are entitled to for free. How can these people on your panel claim that the cost of policing a system that charges foreign visitors for care would be greater than money collected? They are not informed and freely admit so, of the numbers of people being treated, or the costs to the NHS. Whilst there is no deterrent to coming to Britain for free treatment it will continue to be a drain on our health system and a strain on its staff. Yes it would be nice to treat the world, but who is going to pay for it? Perhaps these generous and compassionate contributors to your program would be prepared to pay the same proportion of their income as the poorly paid working classes, that make up the bulk of the population of Britain, who have no surplus funds available (and I don't mean after paying for their second, third and forth homes).
The NHS isnt really free, we do pay for it, so basically we are paying for anyone that can get into the country and needs medical assistance. There is nothing rasist about asking foreigners to prove they do live here and pay into the system.
If these doctors belong to private clubs and golf clubs I assume that being a non member I can just walk in and use all of the benefits that they have paid for
I’m with Afua. The world is racist. Everyone. Look at painters and decorators - extremely racist!!! Why are all the walls white? I’m painting my bedroom black in protest
The BMA ought to be sent to prison for life for that decision. I was taken ill in 2016 in Turkey for an illness not disclosed in my travel insurance. For over 36 hours stay in one of their pitiful private hospitals that made your usual NHS one look like a Five Star Hotel, I was charged £2000 and told it must be paid before I would be released. 99.9% of my stay was recuperating and I was allowed between 5 and 10 minutes visiting time per day!
A year or so ago my 20 yrs something son had forgotten his European Health Insurance Card, had not renewed his travel insurance when he tripped and sprained his wrist in Majorca. Off we go to the well organised and good Inca Hospital. Ultimately he is discharged with no long lasting consequences. Upon departure he is marched into the hospital accounting office, given a copy of his costs and told to pay. This is the procedure required in GB, no ifs no buts. Implementation cost of this is negligible compared to the costs that are written off. Wake up NHS
I don't like NHS tourism but any LEGAL migrants, who have paid their taxes, should have more rights to it than any able bodied local person, who hasn't worked a day in their life.
@@XMan-qu5kl NO.....non-residents the home state will refund but for resident EU nationals they get the same rigths as a native....here have a look and get educated www2.acss.min-saude.pt/Default.aspx?TabId=1180&language=en-US
I am from EU living and working in UK , my self and my friends rather go for treatment to Europe as the waiting time is shorter and on higher standard then here, very sad for so developed country.
I am in my 70s and have been paying for NHS all my life if some one comes here and needs treatment then why should they get it for free when I used to go abroad I took out health insurance because other countries do not give health services away for no payment. Simple amswer is make health insurance a condition for coming to this country. And use the money to pay for wage rises just watch the Doctors change there minds about charges to people from a broad then?
I personally know commercial air crew who call flights from certain common wealth countries "stork flights" due to the great number of heavily pregnant women with letters from corrupt doctors saying they are fit to fly. Hey presto free delivery with the best of care and that all important anchor baby.
For me, the one element of this debate that was not even touched upon was "entitlement". The NHS should provide A&E care for everyone. Those who are entitled to care over and above that level are those people who have contributed financially to the system. People paying UK NHI contributions and tax are entitled to full NHS care. An Australian or Bangladeshi coming to this country to have medical treatment, and that being the sole purpose of their journey, should have to pay in full. But I would also make the point that the people from abroad who receive treatment in this way are depriving entitled people from occupying that bed or receiving that treatment from a hospital. I recently had to re-register with a dentist and noticed that on completing the paperwork there was space for me to give my social security number. I was told by the receptionist that it was not necessary as was me not filling in the section which asked about my ethnicity. If these questions are no longer asked and the answers no longer collated, how can anyone know how much the NHS spend on foreign un-entitled recipients of non emergency care?
Yes. If travelling they get insurance....like if we travel to other places. Eu has reciprocal arrangement at moment yet the rest of the world needs insurance.. If provable resident then nhs applies. Simple. Why should it be free for people who dont live here?
The medics who voted not to charge foreigners for the service need reminding it is the NATIONAL Health Service, not the INTERNATIONAL Health Service. However, they are correct in that it is racist... ...I am an indigenous person of the UK paying taxes to fund the NHS through income tax and other taxes like VAT etc etc. To allow someone waltzing in from abroad to get expensive treatment for absolutely nothing after having never paid a penny towards it, and perhaps ahead of m with it,, then yes it's downright racist - against ME.
Any tourist entering Britain should have medical insurance to cover the period of their stay, either through an insurance company or through their own countries health service, the cost of administering the charge can be met by their insurer concerned, all they would need to do is show proof of medical insurance that covers the duration of their stay, at the time of entering the UK, no insurance, no entry. Those entering a Britain to work should be covered by the NHS for any new illness or A&E services for a given period, say one month from entry and then their NI payments from their employment income will entitle them to use the NHS free of charge for as long as they are in lawful |employment. No one would suggest that someone needing A&E care should have to show their insurance documents before receiving treatment but as soon after as possible. It’s not rocket science, nor is it difficult to manage. Mr James Gandesha from Kenya and his family enter the UK for a three week vacation, when they arrive they must show their passport and insurance documents, if they do not have insurance they should be given the opportunity to buy the same at the airport or leave on the next available flight. There is no need for the NHS service to get involved other than to inform the authority that manages the payment collection service, which as said would be funded by the insurer.
No one should be allowed to use our NHS if they haven't put anything into it.
Anyone coming into the country who doesn't have some sort of medical cover they should be turned away at customs.
At customs? Even if they aren't seeking treatment?
Don’t disagree with your idea but I’m wondering what will happen if they do get sick and get treated for free at hospital and don’t claim their insurance. Perhaps a healthcare surcharge should be imposed when foreigners apply for a UK visa.
I totally agree my friend is a consultant from Sir Sir Lanka he bought his mother over here and she had a new hip replacement!!!!!!!! My uncle had been waiting a year !!!!!! Its all wrong !
@@lukaszwason5031 Yes..... 100% Yes
@@lukaszwason5031 Yes, health insurance proof before being allowed into the UK should be written into law.
Who’s NHS is it??
It’s our NHS
It’s Not the WORLDS NHS.
Charge them up front before any treatment.
The NHS has been devolved. There are four, NHS England, NHS Scotland, NHS Wales and NHS Northern Ireland. NHS UK no longer exists.
No. Don't charge upfront; we don't have the infrastructure that we have the space to deal with the health problems of people from other countries, regardless of the money the NHS makes. Emergency treatment only for foreign nationals..
Alan Gaillard, the whole NHS is plagued with bureaucracy and fundamental structure. The whole thing need to be independently investigated and reworked, so that the British people can get the most out of it!
@Darth Remainer Take them. We don't want them.
@@stephenmurray2851 we really do. We're rather dependent on them as we have an aging population and not enough people going to (let alone graduating from) medical school.
I’ve been waiting for a hysterectomy for almost 3 yrs and it annoys me when foreigners come in and jump the queue when they haven’t paid a penny into the nhs
Just wear black face and mumble something that sounds Swahili.
They dont and immigrants pay for the NHS through taxes and NHS fee in the visa charges. Its a surcharge they pay..
Nothing is free. Someone is paying for someone who is not.
Mal Barber - Better known as socialism!
It's called travel insurance. Makes sense to me.
no travel insurance no travel not hard is it ??? refuse anyone who doesn't have it at the airport they are leaving from if the airports or airlines are unwilling to help then charge THEM for it
Some ppl are uninsurable due to existing conditions or are old. Charge for operations but not for A&E
yip, dont let any Brit without it into the EU, another Brexshit benefit!
My brain refuses to even contemplate the views of the lady ? who thinks giving free NHS service is wonderful...I am here to tell her...NHS means NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE ...NOT INTERNATIONAL !!!!
FOR gOD'S SAKE woman...get bloody real....James W H
She is nuts !
It's not a free service, we pay for it through our taxes. Call me racist, biggoted , whatever but I dont want to pay for foreign peoplke to get for free what I have to pay for here and abroad. Doctors dont live in the real world!
Females like this are running this country (and the rest of the Western world) into the ground. To Hell with them all.
sensible driver If the NHS is free how come it costs us SO MUCH.
So do foreigners not work in this country? They pay tax just like us. How about stopping tax avoidance from the rich. I think refusing healthcare because of wealth is shameful.
Afua could bring racial profiling into a discussion about door handles
most of our door handle start off white but end up black and stop working
@@debeeriz Ha! Very good
She’s half Ghanaian and I went to Ghana. I wasn’t allowed to enter the country without showing proof of yellow fever vaccination. I don’t hear her say there was racial profiling there.
She one of the biggest racists iv ever listened too it just comes out of her mouth automatically
@Teresa Watts having it both ways is hypocrisy
It's the NHS, ie the National Health Service. The clue is in the name National. It's for UK people paid for by UK tax payers. It's not a Global Health Service
It’s called the NHS not the international health service - only people who should decide this is the British people
theyve already sold most doctors surgeries to american health companies, sold most police stations and created a pollice state more interested in protecting the property of wealthy russians funding the tory party although johnson has nothing but constant lies and denial
Are we supposed to offer healthcare for the whole world, FFS?
Its Free... how is it free I pay into it, trust me it's not free.. Health Tourism needs to stop.
Who is this women who thinks our NHS should be free , why should we pay for care for tourist medical seekers
He didn't say tourists. He said foreigners a nice English word meaning enemy aliens. He is a vile racist and an enemy of all foreigners.
A foreigner for sure
Why is Afua who is clearly a racist allowed continually spout her venom.
@Gold rush when I go abroad I have to pay if I need to go to docs or hospital ,so why is it everyone comes here for free ,look at the woman who got train from France to have Quads then went back to France she was an Immigrant in France
@Gold rush Why?
If that’s the case can I have all my national health contributions returned. 44 years in full time employment and still paying in retirement.
Only residents (inclusive of immigrants with 3+yrs working) should qualify for free treatment. After all its not free, we the people pay for it
jim tait as someone who works for the NHS I absolutely agree and it should be 5 years not 3
What about dole dossers who haven't contributed? Why should they get free treatment?
Not only residents but also UK citizens who happen to live abroad. They did pay (and probably will pay) into the system at some point.
@@bteamgleemllc6864 They shouldn't
@@susanwebber9247 should be encouraged to take contraceptives though
Unless the British people speak up I can see the NHS becoming more privatised.
THE BMA DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THIS DECISION!
Who are they to give away our resources!
We have to have travel insurance, so why doesn't it work both ways as any other country in the world would make us pay first before any health treatment.
The NHS is free is it hell as like some body has to pay for it. !!!
Yes the UK citizens pay through their taxes and National Insurance stamp. Why does the world want to come to UK. They call it 'health tourism' now!!
Make it compulsory to show a British passport before treatment. Simple as that! Our NHS is national not international!!!!
Stop talking about Windrush!!
A relation went for a short four day break to Spain (Marbella), she never gave insurance a thought and she had let her European Health card expire. She fell over in the hotel and broke her hip and shoulder. She was rushed to hospital but would not be even looked at until she had deposited her credit card. After the x-ray she was not attended to until a third party guaranteed the whole cost of any required treatment. I will not go into the protracted details but it cost her the equivalent of £30,000.00. We should do the same because our NHS is abused beyond belief and can't cope with the British nationals let alone the foreign spongers and so called immigrants.
500million is peanuts! What world does he live in
The NHS is not free. We pay for it through our NI contributions
Exactly.
"racist" = give me your money....... Shame is a powerful tool but can be abused.
British Empire did strip £50 Trillion from Islamic Mughal Empire (Modern day Pakistan/India)!!
If these doctors are wanting to treat everybody around the world they should pay for it or go join a charity the nhs is uk made paid for by uk tax payers
Any foreigner whether on holiday or moving to the country should pay. Simple as.
I heard a story on LBC some time ago from a lady whose son had been involved in a motorcycle accident abroad, somewhere in Europe but I cant remember which country. He was in intensive care. When she had not heard from him for a week or so she started checking and found out he might be in hospital. She flew out there to see if it was him, when at the hospital the staff asked her to get his passport (which she did) to formally identify him. They then refused to give it back until someone had paid (many thousands) for his care. Other countries go to extreme lengths to get non nationals to pay for their treatment! Our docors are plain wrong!
What would the world be like if afrua was in charge......she's unreal I can't stand watching her.
Doris D she's a massive cock ( excuse my language )
We pay for our opticians , we pay for our dental treatment. AT THE POINT OF TREATMENT.
Why should treatment by a Doctor or a Hospital be any different for a foreigner.
It cannot cost anymore to collect their money than it does ours.
That woman is obsessed with race and brings it into every conversation even when the subject has nothing to do with race.
She see color bar all the time her & David Lammy belong to the same club
Oh, last bit. None of the panel has a clue about money and mis-spending. "£500M is nothing" Wtf 🤦♂️take it from their pockets and see how little they think it is.
This attitude perpeutes misuse of funds through the country in its entirity
British Empire did strip £50 Trillion from Islamic Mughal Empire (Modern day Pakistan/India)!!
I would never go abroad without health insurance. Our NHS is the most wonderful thing and needs to be protected. These doctors are making a big mistake and are making a problem that I feel in the future will allow a government to say the NHS has to change because we can no longer afford it. The NHS is not free, the NHS is not a charity, The NHS needs protection. The NHS is funded by UK taxpayers.
@@markpetrie4417 NHS is funded by British Muslims..
I've been waiting 4 months to get my knee looked at, not even had a scan yet due to no stop cancellations etc so not being able to walk means not being able to work means hardship, debt etc. Not used the NHS for the past 25 years ( been paying tax & NI for 40 years) so have no idea if this is normal, but its beyond a joke.
I agree. Unfortunately opening our boarders and irresponsibly allowing the whole of Eastern Europe to come and use it for free created completely unsustainable pressure (the amount of immigrant doctors does not equate to the correct amount of people who have come and freely used it).
I was always for the NHS but I’ve felt seriously let down in the last 5 years (I got arthritis from doughy surgery, I had to wait 8 months for a scan to diagnose me and physiotherapy is no longer 1:1, I was put in a room with 15 other patients with different limbs/problems and one physiotherapist). £200 a month comes out of my payslip and I’m having to pay another £200 on top of that just to have a consultation at a reasonable time! When I do get NHS appointments they are ALWAYS cancelled and moved further back.
Why should I fund this crappy service when the ones who are benefitting the most are those who have paid the least in the system?
An ambulance service worker once told me, he had responded to Manchester Airport ,to at least half a dozen incoming air India/Pakistan flights , where a passenger was suffering from stomach complaints only to be whisked straight into Wythenshawe hospital (down the road) for treatment. National health service, not International health service. !!
ID card solves all problems, not just this one. No ID, no service
WTF I have to pay when I go anywhere in world Hotels etc we are a soft touch
If I went to Bangladesh and had a heart attack guess what. I’D HAVE TO PAY
Correct. I had to pay for my stent in Thailand which has a NHS for Thai people. I've lived there 36 years, paid taxes, yet I still have to pay. BTW, I'm OK with it.
The cost of collection is irrelevant; it is obviously part of the cost. It is about the infrastructure we have, what its capacity is, and the deterrent value of charging.
Playing the race card is disgraceful.
The race card is played all the time
@@tonyaberdeen4478 Indeed.
The solution is so simple. No tourist gets into the country unless they can prove that they have sufficient current medical insurance to cover their treatment in the UK and fly them back home should this be required. Their treatment should take place in the private sector with the only exception being Accident and Emergency.
Funny how every other country charges us for medical care
Most of them are foreners that is why hay won't it free to ther incoming family's
The simplest answer is to go for a compulsory insurance system such as Germany which is absolutely fantastic. If we did 12,000 less would have died from cancer in 2018 with their survival rate. The NHS is awful.
it costs the nhs over £90 per hour just to get an interpretor extra cost?
How does a country with great minds like Sir Issac Newton, can also raise people who don’t know what travel insurance is?
And to think that we invented insurance!
Isaac Newton believed that he could turn base metals into gold, despite his genius. Perhaps therein lies the problem. Some people do not realise that they are in fact paying for it as individuals and collectively as a nation through tax contributions. It is a grotesque insult to those people that the service should be provided to people who do not have British national status, or rights extended through EU agreements. The introduction to the NHS public information documents from 1948 clearly stated this and also emphasised that "it is not a charity". Surely that is what overseas aid is for?
Americans believe Henry Ford invented the car.... and they are your colony, no wonder they are stupid... my guess is, it comes from the language!
Foreign emergency treatment should still be billed to individual, just not at the point of use.
Outside out of A&E, treatment should be charged for. And I’m a lefty.
Goodness gracious, "I'm constantly being asked where I come from", I went to China, I am white with blonde hair and blue eyes, strangers came up to me and touched me and took pictures without asking. The very same would happen in many African countries.
They do it in other countries without the cries of racism
Someone: Why is the sky blue?
Afua Hirsch: RACISM!!
Am a doctor believe that foreigners. should pay if I go abroad I buy travel insurance
Why do those who have NEVER payed a penny into the system ( Junkies etc) expect free health care?
Er....I thought we already *were* supposedly doing this?
The doctors don't like it because it reduces their fees and increases their administration
They should pay
What the headline of The Times says on the issue: "Making tourists pay to use NHS is racist, says doctors"
What was actually said by doctors: “We are doctors not border guards... Charging migrants for accessing NHS services is a fundamentally racist endeavour - we are complicit in the oppressive regime.”
Could someone please explain to me when the words "tourist" and "migrant" became synonyms?
As someone who spent 2000-2016 under the NHS and came out of there with more things than i went in with,all i can say is keep healthy and give hospitals a wide berth.
During a Holiday in Spain I had a bad spell and was taken to a Hospital the first thing they asked my name as I am English they then asked for my Credit card which I had to give them they charged me for the treatment but lucky for me my Travel Insurance covered it, if they can do it there why not here, they only need a card reader.
I am sure there a company somewhere who wud gladly take 10% of all monies they bring in on payments for treatments as a insentive to carrying out this work for free
In America EVERYBODY not just foreigners has to prove that u have insurance or U GET NO CARE
Doctors in the NHS are very well paid by the public tax, they have a far greater responsibility to that taxpayer than the health and well being of the world. If the want to change that, then they should leave the NHS and volunteer their services free of charge somewhere else in the world.
i was just wondering if these doctors would be treating people free at the point of delivery if they turned up to their private surgeries?
It's not Freee, I'm paying for it!
ok, tired of the 'race card' now 😴
End free at the point of use. That will sort it.
These fools don't realise that this will be the end result.
Under this scenario how many doctors and nurses would be denied treatment?
How could it cost more money, to charge for care, than give it away freely. Also, what has this got to do with racism? If there were a case for claiming a racist bias, then it is against the British public, who are forced to pay for a health service that non nationals are entitled to for free. How can these people on your panel claim that the cost of policing a system that charges foreign visitors for care would be greater than money collected? They are not informed and freely admit so, of the numbers of people being treated, or the costs to the NHS. Whilst there is no deterrent to coming to Britain for free treatment it will continue to be a drain on our health system and a strain on its staff. Yes it would be nice to treat the world, but who is going to pay for it? Perhaps these generous and compassionate contributors to your program would be prepared to pay the same proportion of their income as the poorly paid working classes, that make up the bulk of the population of Britain, who have no surplus funds available (and I don't mean after paying for their second, third and forth homes).
It's so easy to ask for NI number at start of care. No need to implement complicated procedures
The NHS isnt really free, we do pay for it, so basically we are paying for anyone that can get into the country and needs medical assistance.
There is nothing rasist about asking foreigners to prove they do live here and pay into the system.
this will end up being a ligitimate argument for a national ID card (not all brits speak with a british accent)... big brother is in complete control
In order to prove these five hundred doctors are not virtue signaling, they should work for free.
NATIONAL health service. Not INTERNATIONAL health service.
The NHS will be privatised b4 i die.
Why is everything Racism and law on about it the more it becomes racist
If these doctors belong to private clubs and golf clubs I assume that being a non member I can just walk in and use all of the benefits that they have paid for
I’m with Afua. The world is racist. Everyone. Look at painters and decorators - extremely racist!!!
Why are all the walls white?
I’m painting my bedroom black in protest
The BMA ought to be sent to prison for life for that decision. I was taken ill in 2016 in Turkey for an illness not disclosed in my travel insurance. For over 36 hours stay in one of their pitiful private hospitals that made your usual NHS one look like a Five Star Hotel, I was charged £2000 and told it must be paid before I would be released. 99.9% of my stay was recuperating and I was allowed between 5 and 10 minutes visiting time per day!
A year or so ago my 20 yrs something son had forgotten his European Health Insurance Card, had not renewed his travel insurance when he tripped and sprained his wrist in Majorca. Off we go to the well organised and good Inca Hospital. Ultimately he is discharged with no long lasting consequences. Upon departure he is marched into the hospital accounting office, given a copy of his costs and told to pay. This is the procedure required in GB, no ifs no buts. Implementation cost of this is negligible compared to the costs that are written off. Wake up NHS
HOW ABOUT JUST DONT LET THEM IN TO OUR COUNTRY FULL STOP ! PROBLEM SOLVED !
It is a NATIONAL Health Service, not a International Health Service.
NHS = *National Health Service*
I don't like NHS tourism but any LEGAL migrants, who have paid their taxes, should have more rights to it than any able bodied local person, who hasn't worked a day in their life.
who's paying ???? her I think not
The nhs shouldn’t be free for the hole world ..
EU citizens should be charged for NHS care even if they work and live in the U.K. at least for 5 years after settling in the U.K.
agree.....all the brits living in portugal and using our health services for free should pay full price.
@@ilidiocarmona4827 Portugal reclaims those health service costs
Ilidio Carmona Portugal gets money from the NHS to treat those people
les ferguson I work for the NHS and one of the worst things it does is not claim money for treating EU citizens
@@XMan-qu5kl NO.....non-residents the home state will refund but for resident EU nationals they get the same rigths as a native....here have a look and get educated www2.acss.min-saude.pt/Default.aspx?TabId=1180&language=en-US
I am from EU living and working in UK , my self and my friends rather go for treatment to Europe as the waiting time is shorter and on higher standard then here, very sad for so developed country.
I am in my 70s and have been paying for NHS all my life if some one comes here and needs treatment then why should they get it for free when I used to go abroad I took out health insurance because other countries do not give health services away for no payment. Simple amswer is make health insurance a condition for coming to this country. And use the money to pay for wage rises just watch the Doctors change there minds about charges to people from a broad then?
So many overseas private patients come here because their treatment is unavailable in their own countries. I have nursed a lot of these patients
All people who come here should have insurance or there not allowed to bourd the plane , boat , or train.
Everyone in the U.K. should have a National Insurance Number - this number should be the basis of ANY NHS treatment.
I personally know commercial air crew who call flights from certain common wealth countries "stork flights" due to the great number of heavily pregnant women with letters from corrupt doctors saying they are fit to fly. Hey presto free delivery with the best of care and that all important anchor baby.
For me, the one element of this debate that was not even touched upon was "entitlement". The NHS should provide A&E care for everyone. Those who are entitled to care over and above that level are those people who have contributed financially to the system. People paying UK NHI contributions and tax are entitled to full NHS care. An Australian or Bangladeshi coming to this country to have medical treatment, and that being the sole purpose of their journey, should have to pay in full. But I would also make the point that the people from abroad who receive treatment in this way are depriving entitled people from occupying that bed or receiving that treatment from a hospital. I recently had to re-register with a dentist and noticed that on completing the paperwork there was space for me to give my social security number. I was told by the receptionist that it was not necessary as was me not filling in the section which asked about my ethnicity. If these questions are no longer asked and the answers no longer collated, how can anyone know how much the NHS spend on foreign un-entitled recipients of non emergency care?
WELL SAID !!!!
Hep C costs 60k for a course of treatment.....who pays for that.. I do?
They can pay for it out of their wages , then see them change their minds.
Yes. If travelling they get insurance....like if we travel to other places. Eu has reciprocal arrangement at moment yet the rest of the world needs insurance..
If provable resident then nhs applies. Simple.
Why should it be free for people who dont live here?
The medics who voted not to charge foreigners for the service need reminding it is the NATIONAL Health Service, not the INTERNATIONAL Health Service. However, they are correct in that it is racist...
...I am an indigenous person of the UK paying taxes to fund the NHS through income tax and other taxes like VAT etc etc. To allow someone waltzing in from abroad to get expensive treatment for absolutely nothing after having never paid a penny towards it, and perhaps ahead of m with it,, then yes it's downright racist - against ME.
Simply need reminded of who pays their generous wages...…...Simples!!
Mt wife pays twice, once through her taxes and NI, and secondly on the Health Surcharge payment of £400 per year of her settlement visas.
No insurance , no treatment. Simple.
Any tourist entering Britain should have medical insurance to cover the period of their stay, either through an insurance company or through their own countries health service, the cost of administering the charge can be met by their insurer concerned, all they would need to do is show proof of medical insurance that covers the duration of their stay, at the time of entering the UK, no insurance, no entry. Those entering a Britain to work should be covered by the NHS for any new illness or A&E services for a given period, say one month from entry and then their NI payments from their employment income will entitle them to use the NHS free of charge for as long as they are in lawful |employment. No one would suggest that someone needing A&E care should have to show their insurance documents before receiving treatment but as soon after as possible. It’s not rocket science, nor is it difficult to manage.
Mr James Gandesha from Kenya and his family enter the UK for a three week vacation, when they arrive they must show their passport and insurance documents, if they do not have insurance they should be given the opportunity to buy the same at the airport or leave on the next available flight.
There is no need for the NHS service to get involved other than to inform the authority that manages the payment collection service, which as said would be funded by the insurer.