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Paddy Constantine was truly robbed of his Emmy. He acted his ass off in this show.
He acted his face off in the show, literally
who won instead of him
This is an absurdity…
Looking at the nominees, and that is truly ridiculous. Just putting it up against Succession (which is a goddamn great show), did Considine really deserve a nod less than Nicholas Braun, Alan Ruck or Alexander Skarsgård, who were all nominated in the same category? All great performances to be sure, but it doesn’t really compare in terms of heft or just sheer acting muscle.
(Matthew Macfadyen was also nominated in that category, but I don’t have a quibble with that - he and Paddy should 100% both be nominated)
That's complete and total BS!!!@@hakasims
"You are my second political headache your uncle Daemon is the first"
Daemon in the background - "Brother, no need to shower me with compliments! "
they should get married and have some baby headaches
They did lol. If you mean Rhae and Dae >.>@@cat8506
@@cat8506those baby headaches would have saved so many future headaches...
Lmfaooo
“The truth doesn’t matter, only perception”. That is such a perfect line, clearly encapsulating everything Rhaenyra doesn’t get about the game of thrones.
She’s a child. She does get it but she’s angry, frustrated, lonely and feels abandoned and betrayed by her best friend. Feels that her father would throw her aside the second he gets a son. It’s like she said if she were a man she could do anything and no one would blink and she has every right to be furious of that reality. It goes back to how women have always been expected to be perfect, proper, infallible and it is _dehumanizing_ to be treated that way because it strips away your entire personality and it’s still going on even in first world countries
@@atiqahdiyana5665but men can't do whatever they want, bastards and second sons aren't exactly treated well and have to really earn their place. Rhaenyra has education, station and more agency then she utilises; squandered because she wanted to experience her base desires and couldn't control herself as well as Alicent. I'm sure her feelings are valid but she can't put them before the realm if she wants to lead.
@@therukshuka3616 men DO get away from it. It’s the PRODUCT of their indiscretion that becomes collateral damage. The women and the bastard would be condemned while the man would get off Scott free. Daemon himself points this out when he’s arguing with viserys about Rhaenyra. Plus I never said her actions were mature. Only that we judge her unfairly for doing things that a man could do without it affecting their status at all. Aegon (as an ADULT) RAPES a servant and still gets crowned almost immediately after and what he did wasn’t a secret.
@@therukshuka3616saying that men aren’t treated differently is absolutely false. The women and children are collateral damage yes but if the male child decided to sleep around the same way his father did no one would bat an eye. He is only judged for his status, not his actions or own reputation. Aegon RAPES an innocent servant girl and is crowned king regardless. Even if you might frown upon Rhaenyras affairs it’s still no where close to being as awful as Aegons
I never said Rhaenyra’s actions were mature but her anger and frustration are still very much warranted and understandable. Again she is a TEENAGER. Doesn’t matter what their status is, the struggles they face are still more or less the same if not different merely in intensity depending on status.
@@atiqahdiyana5665 well gee good thing I never said they aren't treated differently then.. maybe it's because men have a bit more tactical and political value than women.. after all pregnancy and birth are the battlefield of women. They're not usually considered military assets or made the target of assasination.
Both males and females can sleep around, the idea is dont get caught. Your idea of no one batting an eye at men siring bastards is silly when it looms over Ned stark despite Jon not actually being his. Yes aegon rapes a girl (you don't need to capitalise it, we know it's bad) but who gives the girl the moon tea and essentially threatens her into silence? Maybe aegon was still crowned because he served political purpose? Hmmmm gee, I wonder..
Also, you dont get a pass at political fuck ups because you're teenager. There have been plenty of historical figures that have been young and still fit for their roles. So whilst rhaenyras emotions may be understandable, they're not warranted. This isn't about whos worse, this is about not slipping up and giving people a chance or ammunition to challenge your claim. Something rhaenyra is still yet to learn in season 2 ep 6 when she decides to kiss a potential spy and almost gets caught... it's also kinda silly how you'll defend her because she's young but she's smart enough to understand that otto is trying to catch her out politically in this short.. almost like she does have the wit to understand what's going on and should probably know better.
"you are my political headache" is such a dad line
"YOU ARE my political headaches" 😂 i love that line 😂
She was so lucky to have Viserys as her father... She never truly realised what could have happened to her if she was the daughter of someone else..
Of pretty much ANYONE else
or, what would've been done to her had someone else been her daddy=-)
Yeah like the hand ✋️.
Not really think of what the Jeharris would have done to aegon finding out he sa and had basterd he would have been disinheirted as well yall always try that one way crap no me both of thek fucked up and pay the price
If she was someone else's daughter no one would care about the rumors
Patty Constantine did such a great job as Viserys. Awesome actor.
Lol NOT his name but close. its considine
It's also paddy
@@Cheezeblade😂😂 well played
Caught me off guard
Oh yes to the point where George is tempted to change the Viserys in the books. FOR OUR SAKE GEORGE PLEASE DON'T
Like Mark Addy and Sean Bean, he exited when the time was right.
They all stressed that man tf out.
"The truth does not matter, only perception" is so interesting
"Perception is reality"
In social situations it's true, but apply that vain of logic anywhere else and things go to crap real fast.
@@narsilreforgedHe’s saying it in a social situation though
That's the truth of things politically.
Perception is up, and half way around the world before reality gets out of bed in the morning
Rhaenyra was SO lucky that Viserys was her dad. Seriously if her father was any other king she would’ve been absolutely ostracized from the Targaryen family for her actions. Let alone the strong boys she has later, that shit would absolutely not have been okay under anyone else’s rule. And while I do really like her character it’s kinda frustrating how much shit her the rest of the family put Viserys through. They quite literally stressed that man to death with all their family drama lol.
If she didn’t have those strong boys, there wouldn’t have been an heir. Leanor was sterile
Most of the shit was instigated by either Daemon (this exact example in the scene) or Alicent and her boys. Rhaynera was responding in kind.
@@jawo8754i disagree Rhaenyra instigated a lot of it by having 3 bastards which was an insult to the laws of inheritance set forth by centuries of a people’s history. It set a terrible example that lords were afraid of as if a wife cheats on her husband and has children with her affair partner it’s up to the lord to raise the bastards as his own and make them his heirs even though they are not his children. And then she argued that Aemond and all of alicents children were the issue when Aemond lost his eye when it’s clear it’s the strongs fault. So Lucerys’ death can be traced to that incident as if Aemond was allowed his justice he wouldn’t have held such deep seeded hatred and vengeance against the strongs and Rhaenyra. And he helped find Aegon who was drunk and didn’t even want the throne. So the dance can be traced to the fact Rhaenyra had bastards. And Ik the common counter is she needed to have kids and Laenor was sterile well then tough luck. You would have to wait till he died to remarry. Which knowing Daemon would’ve happened anyway as he is very power hungry and it shows that the creators were thinking of having him kill Lucerys.
@@CristianMartinez-yc6pr fair point. But in the books it wasn’t as clear that they were bastards as Laenor wasn’t described as having dark skin, also Rhaenys, Laenor’s mother, actually had black “BARATHEON” hair.
@@jawo8754 yeah as In the books laenor has a traditional Valyrian appearance and Rhaenys is the daughter of Aemon and Jocelyn Baratheon hence black hair. But both her children had silver hair. And Rhaenys is described to show more Targaryen silver in her hair as she ages. To further prove they are bastards George went on to say they have Harwin’s nose. And official described in the books all three of Rhaenyras bastards have brown hair not black making the Rhaenys argument invalid
Paddy was EXCELLENT in that role. That was perfect casting. He gave Viserys depth & likeability
War is easier then daughters
-Lord Eddard Stark
This was so well written it’s still mind blowing.
I watched the Series and He really does love his Daughter dearly I felt sad when he got sick and she asked him to defend her and he was walking in I said this is so touching😢he was a good man but some of tried to play him for a fool
Lo malo es que no amo a sus hijos como amo a raimira
She is the one who played him like a fool and betrayed his trust .
@@stormbringer2840that’s not fair to say at all. If you look at it like that, you must’ve not been paying attention that well
@@kellystevenson1776 Or maybe I payed more attention than you did ? I know how the serie try to portray her but when you analyse her actions you can only come to one conclusion.
That and he married the daughter of a wicked man who wanted the throne. And convinced the daughter that she should be queen and her children should inherit above Rhenerys
Ironic she said she could father a dozen bastards no one would blink an eye well aegon the second had Atleast 20 and those are just the living ones he didn’t have killed in the fighting pit 🤣
But people did bat their eyes, and it was kept secret to avoid public scandal.
@@TheStraightestWhitestalso hey weren't lines up for the throne
@@TheStraightestWhitest no where near the same thing. The reason is clear and simple. As long as mischief isn't around the birth, it's pretty easy to figure out who the kid's mother is. As such it doesn't matter if the male half of an important marriage messes around. His children by laypeople, whores, and etc aren't really an issue. When the woman messes around, well... that compounds problems.
Which also boggles my mind that they insisted on male inheritancy chains when logically and mechanically female inheritancy chains work better. If that is the secure knowledge, than it should follow that knowledge and not the unsecure knowledge.
“Sow it with further division”
He meant the divide between him and Rhaenyra.
He only loved her even after more children, it was only her.
yeah he pucked the realm so hard it split.
That's because he was truly in love with and loved her mother so much.
@@mesa577yeah the smart decision would’ve been to let Rhaenyra marry on her own and then once married disinherited each of her bastards as that was always a recipe for disaster. Keep her as heir if you want but don’t expect a peaceful transition of power when your make such an unprecedented move. The best way for Rhaenerya to have succeeded Viserys peacefully without bloodshed would’ve been to get rid of the strongs, be more involved in the growth of his other children and NOT SHOW FAVORITISM. As that will always build resentment.
@@CristianMartinez-yc6prbut that wouldn’t stop the ambitions of Otto. She would always be a threat to his goals
Because he loved only her, he only further divisioned his house.
Such a great daughter-cousin and father-cousin relationship
“daughter-cousin father-cousin” 💀💀💀
I'd rather say niece😂
I don't know about where you live, but where I live, the daughter of your cousin could count as a niece due to the age gap that's probably going to be. Since Aemma and Viserys were cousins, well... 😂
@@lmaoashley where’s the lie 💀
@@Arthalmia I mean true lol and if it was a normal type Targaryen marriage then Viserys and Aemma would’ve been siblings lmaooo
🤣🤣🤣🤣
The only time Viserys ever disciplined Rhaenyra...
Jaehaerys wouldn't have named her heir fo a second
Neither aegon once he seen the sa and basterds of aegon maybe deron tho not aemond for sure he would have seen the bloodthirsty ness coming from him
@@Daniel-ug4puwas jaehaerys such a great judge of character
@@Daniel-ug4puJaehaerys is long dead when the hightower kids were born
Jaehaerys was a misogynist, how he called his own daughter a whore
@@shreyakar9220 i mean, saera kinda is a wh*re tho. She plays around with multiple boys at once and when the court found out, she blamed everyone but herself. And she lied to those boys she played with, thinking they are the first to take her virginity, and then she planned to marry three of them and compare herself to Maegor the Cruel🤦 you could see why King Jae was sooo mad about it. Not to mention she disobey every order she was given and she lives out the rest of her lives as a pleasure house keeper, or in a more simpler terms, a wh*re master
Paddy did an amazing job! Made a bland character into a well developed person, made him human. Someone you could sympathize/empathize for.
He was really good and I'll miss him in the second season! 😢😢
Viserys was always considered "weak," but I never once got that perception from him. He knew how to keep his subject, his court, and his own brother and daughter in line when he needed to. He knew when to exercise his authority to command respect. What he was, was compassionate, to a fault. And in this world, that is indeed a flaw.
All her dad had to say was “yeah, that’s pretty much the scope of it. Men can do everything and woman can’t, I didn’t make the game Rhaenyra, we just play it”
That's basically what he said, but with different words.
@@WestLegend03 but did she listen??
@@KenobiStark1 She wouldn’t have listened to what your rewording either.
She’s not raising a question about her gender. She is questioning gender roles. Different thing nowadays.
😮😅
We have been questioning gender roles for a long time. Look at the backlash, this young generation grows up with Peterson, Tate, Shapiro, Owens... And lots of religions doing there best to enhance gender roles and biases.
Because genders are still so much seen as defining abilities and character, and there are do many Expectations put upon them, it one reason why people who don't fit into this all (and who really does?) question their gender. And this may be the way to finally get rid of it, to get rid of those dam stereotypes. Because nothing else worked so far.
@@CJ-vw3dt that’s what I said didn’t I? She’s questioning gender roles. Not gender.
@@CJ-vw3dtyou said a lot of words but didn’t make any sense.
But it’s an absurd question. The hypocrisy has to be remedied by appeals to proper enforcement of religious monogamous ideals to please the gods, NOT to suggest that a woman should have as much right to be as promiscuous, because that’s just biology colliding with cultural/spiritual needs.
“War was easier than daughters.” - Eddard Stark
She was so naive…all the lords married for alliances or to keep the Targaryen blood pure…
I knew he was going to say "you are my political headache" first time I was watching this.
Every father, ever: "You ARE my political headache!"
"the truth does not matter, only perception"
Meanwhile Tywin: "the lion does not bother himself with the opinion of the sheep"
Meanwhile Olenna: "all the lords of westeros are sheeps, are you a sheep? No, youre a dragon. Be a dragon"
Tywins actions eventually lead to the downfall of his house and Olenna was a old women who wanted to avenge her family.
Cool one liners but aren't really appropriate when you are planning to rule
@@thepowerofsand6180 nope, it just shows Viserys was a weak ruler. Tywin and Olenna were strong players of politics at the power vacuum the targaryen (and robert) left with their demise. Viserys attitude also lead to the weakened, dragonless house Targ. At least Tywin died seeing to it that his house, Lannister (Baratheon) thru Cersei, sits the iron throne
@@Rui6zero Tywin fractured Westeros and destroyed his house's power. Let's not lionize the guy, he does that enough on his own haha.
@@tlhockey tywin? You mean joffrey killind ned? Cersei killing the tyrells? Tywins presence stabilize the red keep? The show actyally gravitated towards the lannisters and tyrells with some clips of jons and danys adventures by season 4, becausse the two powerhouse, tywin and olenna enough to keep the show running
@@Rui6zero As I see it, the Red Wedding ensured the cultural divide with the North. Placing the Boltons and Freys, and Baelish/Tyrion, in charge of the occupied regions made for a whole mess imo. Bookwise, getting the Westerling's heir killed is a powder keg waiting to happen, considering their conspiring with Tywin. And it forgoes a more stable peace with Robb that may have been forged while the Lannisters had the advantage, losing that gave Stannis a chance to strike back, led to the Freys and Boltons bleeding and being overthrown, a revanchist North, etc.
Ordering the deaths (and rape) of Elia and her children created a blood feud with the Martells, freed the Targaryens to act against the Baratheons and Lannisters, cemented the divide between loyalists and rebels, and ruined the righteous story of Robert's Rebellion. If you're a book fan, this also hid Aegon's escape, allowing him to live in safety and obscurity. And it removed the opportunity to marry the Targ kids into the Baratheon family, which would have permanently bridged the divide in royal claims and made Targaryen supporters into Baratheon/Lannister ones.
And that's not getting into things like Tywin's misrule as Hand costing him both his sons, Jaime and Tyrion. Or bookwise, refusing the Greyjoy alliance out of hand, which inevitably led them to begin attacking Lannister allies and stretching their thin forces even thinner. Or how Tywin's particularly cruel conduct in the war has radicalized the Faith, contributing to Cersei's own problems with them, the threat to Lannister legitimacy over the throne and so on.
It's actually something of a running theme that Tywin has wrapped himself in a faux image. Like the saying attached to him, he 'shits gold.' Not merely about his wealth, but a metaphor for his character. Tywin plays up his actions as golden, but in truth they are really shit. Which is why he dies on the privy and Tyrion signs him of with 'Lord Tywin did not, in the end, shit gold.' GRRM makes it a point to begin peeling back on that image over the course of AFFC.
In fact, Jaeherys DID disinherit a kid of his for behavior, so Viserys knows exactly how his grandpa would have acted... granted, Saera did far worse and was an utter terror, and was far outside the succession, but she still got sent to their version of a nunnery.
Which did nothing in the end as she got out anyway. But most importantly she was no dragon rider, trying to punish them harshly may result in disaster for the realm, especially as the king himself doesn't have a dragon.
Seriously if he name Aegon as his successor it'd end peacefully
" You are my political headache" 😂
“Jahaerys would have disinherited you”
Jahaerys would have killed Daemon himself and made her a silent sister (Saera Targaryen)
He didn't make her a silent sister, he sent her there to "repent" for a while and planned bringing her back, but she ran away after several months. And how would he kill a dragon rider without a dragon.
@@thevelkelp2179 Viserys had Daemon at his mercy in the throne room. Dragons are tough, dragonriders are squishy and vulnerable.
And that’s if we take Jaeherys and put him in Viserys’ exact situation. If we don’t, then Jaeherys had Vermithor.
Jaeherys likely wouldn’t have wanted to be seen as a kinslayer so he probably would force Daemon into the Night’s Watch or something.
YOU ARE MY POLITICAL HEADACHE.. KIDS THEY NEVER UNDERSTAND UNTIL THEY BECOME A PARENT THEMSELVES.. WHICH SHE DID...
Such a daddy daughter convo
And if I was born with wings I could fly, but here we are.
Lol she was too woke for the that time period 😂😂😂...Viserys was really lenient with his daughter and i don't know how she does not see he loves her most
Woke is such a retarded term to use in context of GOT
I've not watched yet, when she mentions Aegon taking her place ......she's not meaning John Snow, right?
@@katiejenkins4532bro jon aint no aegon this is 200 yrs ago ☠
@@elongatedmuskrat6767plus that was D and D fan fiction. Even if he is Rhaegars son why the hell would he name two of his sons Aegon
@@jeambeam3173likes that name maybe
This scene ALWAYS cracks me up! He tried his best to be a good father to her 🥺🥺
He wasn’t angry enough. Big slap was needed when she said to her own father she basically wants to sleep around. I will re-emphasise to her own father.
Yet if she were a boy would she be slapped for saying the same thing? @@randomlygeneratedname7171
Viserys was so good to Rhaenyra. I absolutely loved this scene
He had to. She has a dragon. He doesn't. And he doesn't have anyone with a dragon who'd surely pick his side over Rhaenyra's.
The truth does not matter. Only perception.
She didn’t question her gender. She pointed out the double standard 🤦♂️
Nature's double standard. How is a woman in medieval times *supposed* to have a dozen bastards?
Idk why Viserys thought acknowledging Aegon would sow seed for division in the realm when the whole realm expected it to happen and it was in accordance with a precedent upheld twice over already. If anything, keeping Rhaenyra as heir even after everything divided the realm more.
Because the Great Lords of the Realm had already sworn to Rhaneyra. They would be bound by that oath to fight for her rights against Aegon. not to mention her lineage. her mother was as Aryn. Regardless of oath, disinheriting the granddaughter of the Lord of the Vale would of instantly lost their support. Her marriage to Laenor also would of gotten the Storm Lands, if she didnt squander her relations with them.
edit: its also brought up more in the book about how the conspirators for Aegon had gone through every lord, lady or knight that supported Rhaenys claim. Their first notion during their counsil, after claiming intent to put Aegon up instead, was acknowledge that certain lords bot h swore oaths to Raneyra and supported Rhaenys claim before her, Starks chief among them.
@@TheManadeath A Great Council would've chosen Aegon for sure. There's more to Westeros than just the Arryns and Velaryons. Also, if you think about it, every rebel, every unjust king, every lord that didn't listen to their king, every married womanizer, and many Nights Watch recruits are oathbreakers. Even Ned Stark. Robert's Rebellion was absolutely justified as the things Aerys II did would be grounds for deposition in most medieval societies but did the Starks not owe allegiance to the Royal House? Sure, Aerys II definitely broke whatever coronation oaths he had to take and broke faith with House Stark first is that a reason for an oath to become meaningless? Yeah, I think the Starks were in the right but the idea of oaths of allegiance sworn in perpetuity disagrees with that. Even northern houses abandoned their oaths to the Starks when Robb couldn't protect them. Joffrey justified breaking his oath to marry Sansa because her father was a traitor. What about Ned hiding the rightful king? Even the best of characters use various justifications for wiggling around their oaths. This idea that the world is run by oaths is a romantic illusion. It clearly doesn't have the same weight as an official pact or legal precedents that were already upheld multiple times before, especially if you are not a particularly godly man.
He can pass it throught Rhaenyra. He was hoping Rhaenyra could get married and have an heir so she can pass the throne but Rhaenyra was enjoying her youthful days and time for Young Aegon wont stop
@@TheManadeathviserys had daemon heir before rheanera so it can be done, infact i think if he did the same for aegon the realm would be better off (assuming he doesn't neglect him and or spoil him)
Nah, Green propaganda. Every monarch chose an heir only once, only when chosen heir died, monarch chose again. Even Jaehaerys were the one who could choose differently after the council, it is specifically said that he thanked the lords and gave Viserys all his titles. He could have named anyone.
Succession was messy. The Conqueror's younger son Maegor took the throne from his nephew (or perhaps they were supposed to co-rule and Aegon the Uncrowned did not want to cooperate), Conqueror's grandson Jaehaerys was installed by Rogar Baratheon because he wanted to rule via boy king, when Jaehaerys started to be rebelling teen, he attempted to make Rhaena's child an heir. Jaehaerys chose his younger son Baelon over Rhaenys, even though Westerosi succession on paper puts nieces before their uncles, perhaps because Jaehaerys did not want woman to rule, perhaps because he was an old man doing what council told him to do.
TL,DR: Rhaenys should have ruled. She was the rightful heir as the only child of prince of Dragonstone. Rhaenyra vs. Aegon is debatable. Either we accept the monarch chooses his heir, or we accept that women cannot rule. While yes, Aegon Is the heir according to Andal succession, Rhaenys was too and was screwed over.
Paddy considine immortalized Viserys.
He was such a good king.
He literally sacrificed so much of the power he could’ve had as a Targaryen king just to please her. It’s really hard not to like him.
Not just her this guy was people pleasing his whole life . He was so proud of a council that all didn’t think he was shit and raised them to an esteem higher than his own blood.
Rhaenyra should have learned a lesson from this, everything she said here was completely true, had she been born a man she could bed whom she pleased and fathered scores of bastard children and no one would have cared about it, the political reality for Rhaenyra was that being a woman she was going to be held to a higher standard, she should have been going on Royal processions throughout the Kingdoms as soon as Aegon was born, engraciating herself to the smallfolk and winning friendships and political alliances anong the Nobility, the fact that she sat back and was politically inactive while Ser Otto Hightower had a grandson in the line of succession was foolish, Rhaenyra had the love and adoration of the smallfolk and the support of the Nobility when she was young but squandered it by doing nothing to strengthen her position while simultaneously acting in a way that turned the people and the Nobility against her.
The Iron Throne was Rhaenyra's to lose and that's precisely what she did with it.
Women weren’t held to a higher standard, they were just held to a different standard. The identity of a child can’t be questioned when it comes to the mother, but it can be questioned when it comes to the father, that’s why female promiscuity was always a problem, especially for nobles.
In this very season, we even see that Viserys’ monogamous preference caused huge problems, since if he had 2-3 wives, having at least 2 children with each, there would be no question as far as the succession goes, and he probably wouldn’t lose anyone to childbirth, since the stress would be reduced. But with one, it wasn’t that hard, and if she died, that side of his lineage would go away for good.
I agree. She should never have left King's Landing after marrying Daemon. She should have been in on every small council meeting and as her father's health declined, stepped up to rule the kingdom. Also sent her younger brothers away from court on some bs "diplomatic" missions just to keep them out of the way and kept her nieces/nephews at Dragonstone.
I actually agree with all this.
@@alexman378 that is by definition a higher standard
@@davidlewis5312 Take it with nature.
I miss Milly playing Rhaenrya so much. I love Emma Darcy don’t get me wrong but Milly is so beautiful and she was amazing. Her scenes with Daemon were 🔥🔥🔥 they had amazing chemistry. We were robbed. I wish she would’ve been in more episodes so we could’ve gotten more screen time with them together and I absolutely hate that her mother died in the first episode )): Aemma was stunning & so sweet. & I hate that Viserys died so soon as well. He was a good man //: I just wish he would’ve seen Ottos and Alicents deceitful ways so much sooner
If he asked her then she would still have lied. No point in wasting energy. He already knew.
She's like any teenager going through a rebellious phase, only she isn't ordinary but a royalty who the moment she was born already has responsibilities. Her actions have heavier consequences
U R MY FUKIN HEADACHE 😂😂😂
"Truth doesn't matter, only perception" Facts. She finds this out when Otto names her kinslayer and cruel for the death of Aegons son, which she in truth had nothing to do with.
She's the Queen, right? She should know to keep those under her in line. A leader has responsibility in whatever their subordinate does so she is partly responsible for that child being assassinated.
She wanted to murder Aemong, so kinslayer title would be accurate anyways.
"I sent a catspaw to murder my brother, instead he murdered my nephew" is not exactly a defense against kinslaying.
@@honza970 I don't hear anyone calling Aemond kinslayer for killing Luke. I don't hear anyone calling Aegon kinslayer for trying to have Rhaenyra killed in her own castle. The hypocrisy is insane
@keleighiorek99 have you been living under a rock? You Black fans call Aemond a kinslayer all the time. And Aegon sending someone to kill Rhaenyra is so bad but Daemon sending people to kill an innocent child is so great, right?
@greenapples1149 It's not which is bad and which isn't. It's that one is getting punished for it and the other isn't. They should both be punishable offenses. They should both be called kinslayers!
The guy is only trying to build his play city, but people keep stressing him out.
Paddy was amazing as Viserys. He showed just right the amount of love for his daugher, worry about her, being affected by all this politics and having to do his duties as a king.
My parents: "You ARE my political headache." Point well taken.
I loved how he countered his daughter, she thought she got a away with the saying, but then he said, You are my political headache
It’s crazy what a worm between legs can do…powerful little thing 😂
She needs to learn the saying "Perception is Reality"
Quick reminder, she's saying this after coercing/forcing Criston into sex.
Tywin: That's not an opinion, it's a fact.
Making her heir was first in a line of many of his mistakes
It was Otto's idea.
Young Rhaenyra had much bigger balls than the older one.
“Truth does not matter, only perception” honestly not wrong
It hurts loving Viserys so much because I know we’ll never see him again. Paddy’s performance was remarkable and his onscreen chemistry with Milly and Matt were some of the best scenes in the show.
Truly in a sea of amazing performances and characters he shall remain one I’ll never forget.
Viserys is arguably the best King we’ve seen in Westeros. He was merciful, but not weak. He loved his family and truly wanted the best for the realm. He knew of the coming darkness and was tried his damndest to hold the realm together in the face of the ever approaching Long Night. If only he could have kept his mouth shut as he was dying.
In the end she had a great idea . Viserys's patience paid off.
Saw the back of his head and thought this was The Witcher for a second.
Viserys is the “Geralt we have at home.”
He was absolutely amazing
“You are my political headache” That sounds like something my parents would say to me
She's damn lucky he didn't name Aegon heir and ship her off to the Silent Sisters.
It absolutely isn't fair, but that's feudalism in a patriarchal society.
Paddy Considine should’ve been handed the Emmy on a silver platter.
This show is off to a phenomenal start.
Rhaenyra would have been so proud of Dany and what she accomplished so many years later
Not even an Emmy nomination 😅
This is a prime example of why I hold no sympathy for Rhaenyra. She's a spoiled brat who never received a well deserved whooping. But look who her father is.
He was awesome as her father. His father literally disowned a daughter and called her a whore for similar behavior. Yet he really did try to do right by her as much as he could.
Ill be honest I don't like Rhaenyra. "A lie" it was only a lie because of a technicality. She did almost sleep with Deamon, then actually did with Criston. Then when discovered,she gaslit her father, her friend, and the entire realm.
"Were she born a man she could father a dozen bastards" yes, and she would grow up to create and raise 3 bastards. The difference is that unlike if she were a man she is pretending that the boys are legitimate.
The sad thing is that she could have so easily chosen Harwin when she was allowed the choice. I think the greens would have done anything to throw dirt at Rhaenyra, but she was certainly giving them alot of ammo to work with.
Rhaenyra didn't figure out yet that harwin would be her love
Had she known earlier, she would've quickly chosen him and so much pain would've been prevented
Finally, someone says it.
She only ever does what she wants, not what is needed of her. How can she be so naive to think that she can get away with 3 bastards as her heirs, cuckolding the 2nd house of the realm. All for a shag...
She is absolutely lying to her friend and her father with intent
In a thrown away rough script grrm said he initially wrote rhae marries harwin and has legitimate sons, still the dance happens
you've never been a teenage girl apparently
@@nevadalacroix8575 she's not just a teenage girl, she's heir to the throne and should act like it if she wants to sit it.
If she wants to drink and party and whatever she likes, she should abdicate, enjoy her life and let someone better suited do the job. As Viserys is unsuitable and should have been a country lord, so is Rhaenerya.
Besides, she's not a teenage girl while having an affair with Harwin that is putting her children in mortal danger. She's just a selfish fool who thinks everyone is blind and has to accept whatever she wants because she's the princess
Paddy is stellar in this role ❤❤
the thought that runs across her inner mind when she looks down, when he voiced his ideology about division in the realm. ✌🏾
"One is not born, but becomes a women." Lady Simone of House de Beauvoir.
If only Robert’s kids were that lucky
the parallels are astounding.. and actors superb
Viscerys did have the DOPEST fits of any GOT characters...the costume department if this show deserved the emmy and I damn sure hope they got it
He was a good king, a peaceful king with principles and disciplined
Why daemon think he was weak? Thats strength right there.even more than daemoj ever coul have. My respect for viserys is there. He is strong,bold and kind.
The idealism of a child understanding that a man and a woman are and will be treated differently is the sign of her maturity and development but the great leaders understand this and use it too their advantage.
There is no advantage for women.
@@alexbush714 Mhmm because being conscripted is such a privilege as a man, the fact we are significantly more likely to be killed, tortured, and shamed. Seriously pick up a history book and read it. No man has ever been able to live a life of luxury based purely on their looks but plenty of women have thats a hell of a priviledge
You are my political headache is way too crisp being emphasized furthermore😂
What Viserys should've done:
Take Rhaenyra and tour the 7 kingdoms for a while, maybe even up to a full year. Introducing her to the great houses and many minor too, allowing them and her to know who will rule them/who she'll rule, teaching them to respect their future female sovereign and teaching her humility and the importance of keeping allies. Might even find a suitable consort for her while you're at it.
In any way this would've without question cemented the line of succession as directed and chosen by the king in everyone's head and when the time comes and (if in this case still attempted) when someone tries to take the crown from her, the ENTIRE realm will know better than to believe some desperate Hightower's claims about what the king truly wanted.
My two favorite things here are how Viserys mentions that Jaeharys would have disowned Rhaenyra, because yeah it’s true. He was a great King and all but he was also extremely
Misogynistic. And Two I love how he’s very honest with her about gender, yeah if she were a man it wouldn’t matter but guess what she’s not
Detective Sergeant Wainwright!
She was a 19 year old frustrated by men having the option to bed any woman they wanted but her answer was to coerce, lock in and kiss a Kingsguard and look to break his vows despite him physically trying to prevent her. Rhaenyra has herself to blame more than anyone for Cole becoming an enemy.
Its all his fault that these bad things happened. He did NOT have to remarry, he COULD have stayed single ,that way she wouldn't have to fight to be queen. Its his fault
And if anything happened to Rhaenyra, there would be problems as well.
Decent father, terrible king. Naming a daughter as heir and having true born sons. He was just asking for rebellion.
POV: When my mentor hears a piece of gossip about me.
I am very glad he at least acknowledged she had a valid point and it was a hypocritical standard to hold women to simply because men have the authority to make it that way. But having a valid point isn't enough to change the way things have been for so long, unfortunately.
Hypocrisy of the society
Define hypocrisy
She really had the audacity to say: “For a lie”
I mean she didn't actually have sex with Daemon at that point in time, Daemon ditched her what she was lying about is with Criston Cole which the king have no idea about
The thumbnail is wrong. She never questions her gender. She isnt wondering if she is a woman. She's questioning tradional roles.
Honestly if he did strip her from being heir & given it to Aegon at this point all would of been fine
Man the dialogue is so good
Have i been her i'd go get my stuff and my dragon and fly away without looking back.
And end up like Aerea Targaryen
@@kirillvishnyakov3035 why would she end up like her?
That would've meant giving up all those privileges she enjoyed as princess and technically heir to the realm.
Rhaenyra only really started taking things seriously when her position and power was in danger.
@@kirillvishnyakov3035Syrax is no balerion
So Rhaenyra would be fine
It's what she wanted to do initially anyway+ Alicent being with her
@@Corristo89she should’ve a long time ago tbh
If Baby baelon was alive, this conversation would never exist.
When it’s all set n done I think szn 1 will be one of the best simply because of bruhs performance 😂 shit was impeccable
King Viserys is underrated