Why Modern Movies Suck - The Soft Reboot
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2024
- We've all heard of remakes, resets and reimaginings, but the most insidious cash grab of all has got to be the "soft reboot". Join me as I explore how this idea came to exist, and why its so bad for moviemaking.
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Hey man can you review Kate movie.
Please do a video on Pixars sad straight to streaming last three movies. Luca: The Different Italian Merboy
Soul: The stereotype dark skinned person
Turning Red: A Chinese teen that turns into A RED PANDA when emotional.
You can't make this up. 🤣
Edit: Fixed my mess up on Luca... The reality is far too funny to not correct.
Where the dexter new blood review...
How did they f'd everything up soooo badly the second time
I've been trying out many indi films for a while now I there are some real gems @Drinker do you have some favorites?
Not to poke holes in you theory, but does being a reboot not imply step 1 by default as you need an old franchise to be able to call something a reboot?
The only downside to writing a good story is someone will inevitably want to revive it for "modern audiences."
“revive”
Holn Kya, guess we gotta reboot you too.
I’m a millennial and I only watch classic movies/tv shows. I’m sick and tired of watching good characters and storytelling being sacrificed because of THE MESSAGE.
@@NickNapoli There is some good stuff out there, it's just not too popular. Hidden gems are where it's at.
The best creative minds are those who have multiple films/shows that stand on their own. Just look at my two favorite Davids, David Lynch and David Fincher. Both haven't made sequels or have only made one. While they didn't make the most money, most of their stuff was well received and made their money back. There's countless other directors and writers who have this same approach, and most of the time it shows some level of success.
The Force Awakens annoys me to no end. Saying that the galaxy went back to the same state it was before with little explanation basically undermines the entire Original Trilogy.
Thank heavens for The Mandalorian and The Book Of Boba Fett
@@chasehedges6775 Although Drinker had a problem with Boba Fett series getting a bit downhill in Drinker’s openbar #9. Like retconning Tusken raiders to be less violent, Boba being out of character (reliant on fennec), etc. I’m spreading my whole buttcheeks for EU fan’s explanation.
Edit: Holy fuck, episode 3 sucks ass and Boba Kart
I never understood that. After the events depicted in the 1983 movie, wouldn't the next step in the story be how the galaxy adjusts to the new power vacuum and how the rebels continue trying to restore the Republic? What the heck was this "reset" button to yet another empire? Who financed it? This is why I didn't bother seeing the Disney trilogy. It made absolutely no sense to me from jump.
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You mean The Farce A Woke ends?
"You should really only remake bad movies. It's easy to improve upon failure."
- Michael Caine
A star is born
FMA vs FMA: Brotherhood
@@AnishCharihave you seen the Dune Miniseries? Considering the low budget, it's pretty good.
Unless it's Fantastic Four. That group just seems impervious to good writing.
Bad movies, and occasionally, good movies which can benefit from updated technology, techniques, or better casting.
Case in point: All Quiet on the Western Front, a classic. The recent German remake is also great. It was a good decision to remake it not because the original was bad, but because resources were available to tell the story more thoroughly and realistically.
I also prefer Sabrina 1991 to the original because of casting, but that's not an enormously popular opinion so I won't base an argument on it.
When The Last Jedi got a 91% on Rotten Tomatoes, that was the last proof I needed that Disney and many other companies pay review platforms for good reviews scores.
Ofcourse they do. Money talks ahah
It was the same when the 2016 Ghostbusters movie first came out, that's where I lost faith in their rating system.
Not sure mate, I think people are generally quite dumb
@@jamesn2724 No, RT has been caught many, many times deleting reviews they didn't like. Always negative ones, though; I don't think they've ever been caught trying to stop review-buffing. That doesn't mean they always do it, but it means we never know when the score we see is accurate or manipulated.
What would they gain from better reviews? They already made their pile of money and they clearly don't care about the minority who sees through the shallowness of their crap.
Opinions like in this video being voiced is not new, they just don't give a shit. And rightly so, sadly...
I love how the Star Wars sequels are so bad they've become a literal template for how not to do a reboot.
Yeah. How good could they have been done right. I feel like a junkie hoping to get some sort of a fix from the Mandalorian and Boba Fett. 💉
Weird, I am hearing and reading the exact same things as 20 years ago, when the prequels were the trilogy to shit on. And I mean that they were completely, totally and UTTERLY shit upon.
Now everybody suddenly likes the prequels....bunch of hypocrite pricks.
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 I personally felt the prequels were a little disappointing and too shiny. They did, however, have a story to tell. I watched EpVII and thought this is just A New Hope, we’ve been there and done this already.
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 Yep just goes to show that given the shitty state of storytelling in movies, people will look back to something that was bad and think that was good.
Disney Star Wars is the Van Hagar of sci-fi/fantasy
'Somehow Palpatine returned' has to be the most embarrassing line ever recorded in the history of cinema.
SERIOUSLY. look im 44, huge SW fan. Grew up on it. I was so fukn offended by TLJ that I didn't even finish it for over 2yrs n have yet to see it straight through. So I skipped ROS.. well cpl weeks ago SW marathon was on n it was jst playing in the background. And I actually kinda saw the beginning of ROS. When Poe said that I almost messed myself. N the delivery was sooooo, stagnant. Like even he couldn't believe he had to say it. Blew my mind. I LOOOOLLL for a sec and turned it off. Lord willing I will never, EVER see the rest of that abomination. 💩🚽
Holy shit they acutally put that in. I'm glad I skipped that trash.
Lmaooo like how tf did that make it passed the writer’s room 🤷🏾♂️
“A good question-for another time” And the question is never answered
JJ is just a shitty writer.
And “I’M THE SPY!”
Zemeckis’ has blocked sequels from being filmed for Back to the future for years now. He doesn’t want his movies looking lesser and crowded with dumb sequels. He would obviously make a tremendous amount of money off this property if he did but he’s a better person for not doing this to us. I have a feeling when he passes away the studio will instantly make a Back to Future sequel trilogy.
He sees what is happening To other franchises.
LLP oppo p
Or prequel trilogy, covering Doc Brown's prior scientific work, falling and hitting his head, building the first Flux Capacitor -- because if you know science, then you KNOW the one in the DeLorean is not the original prototype -- and his initial (and no doubt "hilarious") experiments with time travel. That's about enough material for a 30-minute short film ... which the studios will no doubt stretch out Hobbit-style over three full-length feature films.
The main problem I have with prequels, is that I already know how it ends before the opening credits roll. Star Wars Ep. 1 introduced us to 9-year-old Anakin Skywalker, and my thought was, "Cute kid. It's a shame what's going to happen to him over the next three movies."
Oh gawd I sincerely hope not. Back to the Future is done.
Or maybe the rights for Back to the Future will be passed to his kids, who knows that the studio need some sort of permission from Zemeckis' family after he passed away and they say no
"After thinking it over while taking a shit earlier...."
Critical Drinker just unlocked the mystery of modern day screenwriting.
To be fair, that how I inspire to keep writing my thesis
To be fair, the best ideas really do come to you when you're taking a shower, taking a shit, or trying to sleep. Which means that modern screenwriters don't do these things.
Huh, that would explain a lot actually.
It's almost like today's big screenwriters do mountains of coke and try to brainstorm
Take away the thinking and you got it pegged
They're divining scripts from feces? Ew.
Still, it explains a lot about Hollywood.
"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made" -J.R.R. Tolkien
This 👏🏻
Makes sense with the Amazon Lord of the Rings reboot coming out
@@bagel1612 The WHAT? Oh....oh I hate that.
@@bagel1612 do you know the channel The plain Bagel?
Must be a slip in that quote, A., : Tolkien wouldn't have used 'they' with the singular 'evil'.
All best.
I'm trying to write my first novel, and one of the things that inspire me the most, is thinking that no matter how bad i feel i'm writing, it won't be as bad as modern Hollywood stories
You dont even have to write fiction anymore, just watch the news.
Things are so transparent because the majority have been so consumerized that it takes no imagination or effort to write. Thats my method.
I suggest you first read the classic ones like the Russians.
Same here haha.
Between “There was no plan for the Star Wars sequel trilogy” and “Cruella’s tragic backstory is that Dalmatians killed her mother”, I hope that you feel very reassured in your storytelling skills and/or professional competency.
Good luck!
"Write your own stories." I did that, three times, and got rejected by big name publishers three times, because they prefer to publish "vampires glowing in sunlight fanfiction but with ass beads," instead. There are millions of us with new and exciting ideas. The industries just don't give us the time of the day and choose the safer route of going back to the tried and tested reboots and sequels.
At least new stories in the form of video games are far easier to find.
Just look to the indie scene.
@@typehere6689 agreed. Video games are the final bastion of new ideas, but I don't even see that lasting.
Sam Esmail did things you weren't supposed to do and ended up creating Mr. Robot.
If you've got something we need to hear, keep pushing.
its lasting and its actually a problem because instead of game designers who know how to make entertaining gameplay, you have this cutscene heavy game with little to no interaction just because a writer wanted his story somewhere.
My dude, self publish. Screw the elitists.
A depressing stagnation of pop culture, a loss of confidence in our own creativity and an increasing tendency to look backward instead of forwards - this is a brilliant summary
Ikr? Why do these youtubers beg for remakes and reboots when there are more films being made than ever before?
Go watch a non Hollywood movie, something out of your wheelhouse.
Maybe go back 100 years and watch something like Metropolis or Noseferatu.
There is so much out there, you could watch old movies for the next decade and not even scratch the surface.
@@KrolKaz Get a DVD Player and go to your library to borrow and watch every movie made, every year, from the beginning
And what happens when we get something truly bold, forward-looking, really interesting and great, like Snyder's Man of Steel and Batman v Superman? All the twitter and youtube crybabies and checkmarks lose their minds and demand the old Superman saving cats from trees shallow nostalgia trip and the studio succumbs.
There are filmmakers willing to risk, the make daring great new stories about the old characters, and what happens? They get hate from internet dimwits or their films don't make money like Blade Runner 2049.
@@consonaadversapars
Comic book characters are NOT "bold, forward-looking, really interesting and great"
Come on
@@RideAcrossTheRiver What logic is this? Every character is as interesting as the writers and the director. Whether it's a comicbook, or a western or a sci-fi character.
There was a time when I'd be excited to hear one of my favourite franchises was returning. Now I'm filled with dread!
Same.
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My dad watched The Force Awakens when everyone was raving about it. When I asked him how he liked it, he said, "It sucked. It's the same exact story as last time." My dad is as much of a normie as you can get; he didn't read any woke undertones. He couldn't tell you what a Mary Sue is. He's also not an emotional guy at all. All he saw was a retread, and that's all he thought.
The movie might've been good if Finn was the main character. Imagine what cool stories you could get from a Storm Trooper going rogue? Not every protagonist has to be a Jedi.
"Stormtrooper going rogue" the fact that we never got that movie makes me regret pirating The Force Awakens. At least I didn't spend any money. Just my time...and patience...and sanity
Theyd also have to have Finn actually act like a stong person instead of screaming Wray's name like a little girl at every sign of danger. This was enough to make me quit on Rise of Skywalker. God that was shit.
They should of just had the new characters meet the orginal characters who save the day but train the next generation up. Like how Cobra Kai did.
They couldn't have that because a certain Communist country with lots of money isn't fond of persons of a melanated persuasion
Apparently there was actually a concept script for this, intended to be used either as part of one of the movies or replace a whole movie, where Finn leads a stormtrooper rebellion.
There is also another characteristic to soft reboots: Upping the scales of the problems, but keeping the problems.
The new Independence day had the same plot as the old, but the aliens had a ship which could destroy a planet and not a city. The New Star Wars had a Death Star that could destroy entire systems and not just planets at a time. Jurassic World had a park full of people and not just a few here and there. The list goes on and on
Granted, the problems could be considered part of the essence of the work, but OK.
I don't think it's a characteristic of a reboot, it's rather a characteristic of a sequel.
Y'know, when they are out of ideas how to continue the story, they just kind of do the same thing but on a larger scale-
Ghostbusters Afterlife does it right. The stakes are the same. The characters are respected. And everybody contributes in their own way.
Great observation. I'm sure in the minds of the studios, producers, and financiers, this makes it "better". Back to one of the central problems: loss of creativity.
That was one of the things that set Spider-Man apart from other super heroes- he dealt with small-scale problems, like normal people. Fighting super-villains was a side job. Making enough cash to cover rent, food, and tuition was his real job. All the Marvel movies these days deal with apocalyptic end of universe level bad guys- the stakes are always the same- all or nothing. Writers have forgotten that problems don’t have to be existential to be meaningful.
"If it's a remake of a classic, rent the classic."
- Jay Sherman, The Critic
What a tragedy that series didn't go past 2 seasons. It was way ahead of its time
... except for The Thing.
You forgot the last rule: The Message. Every soft reboot must have The Message so that it is agenda, age, and audience appropriate whether the audience wants it or not.
Agree. Every single reboot these days has to shove a black disabled doctor scientist Muslim lesbian multi-gender womyxn with colorful hair down our throats. It’s exhausting.
I'm sure everyone involved with the latest Matrix movie is thrilled that it's sucess has taken the Red Pill back from the Deplorables.
Afterlife didn't
The Message has been propergrandma for decades under the guise of showcasing the hWite Germans. There have been hundreds of WW2 movies all pushing the same narrative and people continue to eat that garbage up and fund future terrible movies.
@@channingtaintum Or an especially annoying black male with a white, beautiful Scandinavian female love interest, aka the Miscegenation agenda.
The absolute worst thing about soft reboots is that aside from restarting the state of the universe back to ground zero, they actively undermine the accomplishments of the previous protagonists and turn them into twisted versions of how they were originally portrayed.
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Yep, and usually made by mediocre creators with no love/interest in the previous work to make it good. Or sometimes by its original creators out of spite from being forced into continuing the franchise by greedy studio execs.
And then blame "toxic masculinity" or "white supremacy" when the product fails
Yes, look for example: Cobra Kai/Karate Kid and Star Wars: one paid respect to the classic characters and even helped develop them... while the other just pissed on them making feel irreverent
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"A post-creativity world" -- elegantly, succinctly, precisely expressed!
Totally right on the "soft reboot." This era of American film will be looked upon as heartbreaking. Unfettered greed took over. Films are no longer artistic endeavors but products designed for the short-term cash-in. It's hard to even laugh at it anymore. But listening to the Drinker helps.
I’d be surprised if film doesn’t die out in the US (or Hollywood at least) since surly people can only take so much before just giving up on movies, right?
@@cara-setun you overestimate the masses
Yep, nowadays, I found a new entertainment. Since I didn't understand English when I was young and watched only dubbed versionz. I just watch old movies/TV shows in English.
I watched Force Awakens in the theater with my 70-year-old dad, who probably hadn’t seen the 1st Star Wars since it was in the theater in 1976, or whenever. He leans over to me toward the end and whispers, “So, it’s the same story?”
lol
I used to make jokes about fanboys just wanting to watch episode 4.1, seeing how much complaining there was about 1, 2 and 3. Before anybody says anything, I am well aware that those three movies are far from perfect. Well, looks like I called it and no, I never watched it. I had no interest in it at the time and even less now with the movies that came afterwards.
@@JLAvey
I called it, too, then watched it because I was young and naive 7 years ago.
And no believed me in any of the comment sections I mentioned it in.
The irony is non-fans are far more likely to call out BS like this, since it's so blatant on a surface layer. Fans will try to rationalise this stuff to death until their brain hamster dies or they have an epiphany that they are shilling for a crappy film made by a creatively bankrupt director.
Disney fans will do that. OG star wars fans know that even the prequels, although not as well written as the OT, were better than the crap which came out recently
"The best way to honor the past is to leave it the F alone!"
The wisest words ever spoken....
Yeah unfortunately greed knows no bounds. There is no respect for the past, no one believes in letting the past die. They see nothing wrong with digging up and desecrating great franchises by stealing their bones and reanimating their corpses.
I always use Cobra Kai as a good example, of it being done right. It's new, but stays true to the original lore of that universe. It doesn't deviate too much from the original material. But, also gives us a broader, newer story, and moments that we haven't seen before while giving us call-back moments we all know and love. It gives us a well-rounded cast, good story-telling. The females aren't more overpowered than the males, each character gets their arc and moment in the series, the cameos are amazing, they hit the nostalgia factor perfectly, and aren't afraid to give us the fan service we want. It doesn't spit in the face of the fans and respects the fan base, while also bringing old and new generations of fans together, which these types of reboots/sequel shows and movies try and do.
Agreed i love cobra kai. But it should've ended by now. I didn't like the new season.
@@Barney25252525 season 4 is crap
if you ask me, Cobra Kai, The Mandalorian s2 and No Way Home are nostalgia done right
Yea but they always have these big karate fights in school & other public places with little to no consequence & no cops ever getting called.
Mainly because Cobra Kai really isn't a soft reboot, It's more of a sequel. But unlike the original Karate Kid movies, it doesn't use the classic protagonist vs antagonist setup. It's designed with the idea that everyone has flaws and makes mistakes.
This makes me want to see a horror film about people slowly becoming aware they are stuck in a soft reboot
That's basically the plot of Scream 5 😆😆😆
@@MusicalPenguin127 ooh nice, weekend watching sorted
Oif
One of the reasons why I quit my writers group at my local community college, the message was deemed more important than quality.
That and someone said “Ahsoka is more important to Star Wars than Anakin”
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And that is where fun dies, modern message and IP
And that’s why I don’t go to any of these things. They are just more ways for str8 white people with more money than taste to form new cliques after they get bored with the old ones.
While i like Asoka, she isn't more important
@@Attmay Ok, help me understand why race and sexual orientation have anything to do with the OP's comment.
In my younger, naive days, I thought reboots were only for films that didn't do so well commercially or critically. Makes sense, yeah?
I literally thought that the director and writers would get together in a room after watching and rewatching the movie, then brainstorming what went wrong and what to improve on.
How wrong I was.. how very wrong.
Speaking of which, The Black Cauldron was a commercial disaster for Disney, but I think they still own the rights to the Lloyd Alexander books. But, instead of making a live action trilogy from this, they make absolute garbage like the CGI Lion King and the horrible Star Whores new trilogy.
@@seed_drill7135 I've just finished researching The Black Cauldron film, and it's borderline heartbreaking to read how much of a failure it was, even from the start.
Watching it as a child I didn't know better, but at least you have influenced me to read The Chronicles of Prydain, which I didn't know existed before.
For that, I thank you.
@@seed_drill7135 Keep the Prydain series animated. Animators and voice actors give exponential amounts of care more than live action ever could.
Good concept though. I can think of a few that might benefit from today's special effects.
Is that really a reboot, though? Your description kind of reminds me of Dragonball Z Kai, which basically cut down all the filler stuff that was necessary back when the anime was first made, or the Zeta Gundam: A New Translation movies that condensed the original Zeta Gundam anime but famously had a different ending (which, if I remember right, changed enough things that the sequel Double Zeta Gundam wouldn't happen in that timeline).
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
-George Orwell
(or in other words: It' all part of "the message")"
It's always a shock at how refreshing it is to sit down and watch an Edgar Wright or Wes Anderson film. Bizarre characters, sharp dark humor, and above all great storytelling with a distinct mark. They care about their craft. I choose their movies over the other drivel any old day.
The bigest irony and a vicious circle at the same time is that all this Hollywood studios think that people are addicted to nostalgia factor in modern movies. And the sad fact is that people clinge to nostalgia and glory of 90-s movies because today modern movies lack any imagination, creativity and talent.
But nostalgia can also work really well - look at the latest spiderman absolutely crushing it while incorporating nostalgia like a finely aged wine. Loved it! Along the superhero lines, I loved Endgame as well, although not as much as spiderman.
@@yomommashaus nah it was fan service trash to attract more wallets and wallets. Bringing back Tobey as Spidey? Yeah, absolutely a big stunt to attract lots of money for shitty Marvel. How pathetic -_-
@@martinlopez2816 haha ok well it's currently in the IMBD top 100, so it looks like most people disagree with you!
@Majinsky Porterhaus hahaha get off your high horse man. You may not agree with IMBD top 100 but A) there are some damn fine movies in there (enough to form said opinion to some extent) and B) Spiderman is liked across the board - that's my main point anyways. LOL you can take your cinephile and shove it!
@@frankgrimes7388 lol a lot of the reboots I don't particularly like (but thanks for asking) so not sure how that makes me the reason? "Incapable of making good decisions" - I guess Shawshank is garbage, LOTR, Inception, etc. it's all garbage then haha. I mean, don't get me wrong - my favourite movie is probably 'Hero' w/ Jet Li, not close to being on the list, and there are many lower budget movies or foreign flicks that are missed, and I don't agree with many of the choices on the list, but Spiderman is a damn good movie and compared to other reboots like Star Wars and Matrix, etc, it actually navigated it quite well. You see, some of us do enjoy the right amount of nostalgia. It's not all about making something completely new and unique in every way!
"1. Find an old franchise..."
The course is clear, hide your favourite franchises and take the secret to the grave
Gatekeeping can be a good thing.
@@NickNapoli it is
its simple, watch it if you are really curious then dont talk about it
@@madmanpete and don't join the fandoms.
Keep your filly hands off my Babylon 5 Hollywood.
Let me give you the formula for a good Jurassic Park sequel: a group of people go back to the original island and actually revive the project, and end up successful. After a lot of deaths, pain, destruction, but it works! The interesting part is to see how they pull that off. Well, at least it's more original than just telling the same story.
Alternative: ingen finally makes their biologically enhanced combat dinosaurs and we see regular conscripts and armor fighting dinosaurs in what looks like the desert scene from the first transformers. Tanks vs MegaRex, troops vs raptors, we see different combat scenarios as they push forwards against the horde. Humanity has an advantage at first but unchecked evolution and alteration turns the entire thing into a game of Evolve. End the movie with humanity loosing and having to retreat to islands and you can spark a Jurassic park version of the monster hunter franchise and have a chance to make an innovative video game about taking back an earth that was lost due to greed and man playing god.
But then there's no conflict or anything, it's just "people want to do blank and they successfully did blank".
I think it could only work if they just did only herbivores and maybe one T-Rex if they can build a proper enclosure.
@@Battle5star Hippos are Hembivores and they are most dangerous animal in africa. Why should Hembivore dinosaurs be different than hippos? Who said they would be peaceful?
THIS IS WHAT WE NEEDED FOR JP 3
I was so excited first seeing the new Star Wars trilogy, didn’t watch the trailers to keep everything a first; but Finns beginning was a tragedy and seeing him want to defect was so interesting to see running away from this new order…how would he change, how would he overcome his past, how would he find out he’s force sensitive, will he find Luke while running?…and the actual main character is a female Luke who is amazing at everything automatically..and the same story we’ve already seen with Finn becoming an anime support character…
Absolutely nailed it! This is exactly why I'm glad that the people involved in creating Back To The Future refuse to allow any form of reboot while they're still breathing.
The circling vultures outlive the gatekeepers. All they have to do is wait. Look what happened with LotR now that the gatekeeper has passed.
BUT IT WOULD BE SO COOL! WE'LL GET JOHN CENA TO PLAY DOC AND INSTEAD OF A DELOREAN WELL USE A TESLA MODEL X!
MARTY CAN GO BACK IN TIME AND LEARN A LESSON ABOUT HOW RACIST AND SEXIST EVERYONE WAS IN THE 1980S!
OH YEAH, DID I MENTION MARTY WILL GO BACK TO THE 1980S? HES GOING TO HELP THE LIBYANS BUILD THAT NUKE!
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Exactly. Amazon were egregious with that. Making swathing changes whilst Christopher Tolkien's body was still warm.
@@MrJustinOtis Biff (1990) stole the Delorean and Marty's son went back to stop him. Instead of killing Marty he actually is trying to stop himself from ruining his own life in the past. Marty's son has to make sure Biff tries to force himself on his grandma so things play out as they did.
The same with The Princess Bride - lots of people will never allow that remake/reboot to happen
The "open ending" is one of the reason these movies fail IMO. When You look at the older franchises You can spot that there is one original, complete and closed movie where we meet characters, we see their arcs and we witness them concluded. Then when movie becomes a hit, writers takes elements "hidden" in the first one, expand them and built a sequel on it. But because they already know the franchise is a hit, they often already plan continuation to be two-parted so the second and third movies are practically the same story (This is Star Wars and Pirates of Carribean case).
I think that is the biggest mistake of nowadays movies. They are made to start a franchise, not to entertain on their own. Assassin's Creed movie, Tomb Raider, all those soft reboots, movies from monster universe, scary universe, mythological universe, DCEU and so on and so on... Producers forgot that we want sequels because we liked the movie, not like the movie because it will have sequels. When MCU started they made Iron Man which was good on its own and that's why the universe worked.
This comment should have thousands of likes.
Well put!
excellent point good sir take a like
I think Terminator 2 is a film that actually handled the "open ending" well. Sarah's closing monologue explicitly states the future is unknown but is for the first time hopeful since maybe they averted the great disaster that was to come. The viewer is left to imagine what will happen and the backdrop of the unending road is meant to convey that notion that the story can go anywhere from there witj "they lived happily ever after" as a valid option.
Imagine Hollywood execs pushing for like, inception 2.
Agree. Went to watch Dune at the cinema and groaned when it came up ‘part one’ at the start. It wasn’t advertised as a ‘part one’. I knew then I wouldn’t be seeing a complete story.
When I was watching The Force Awakens in the theater, and realized we were dealing with yet another death star.. for the third time.. I literally yelled out "you have got to be kidding me". Thankfully I wasn't the only one pissed so nobody cared.
I fixed that by no longer watching this garbage. Half the stuff he reviews I''ve never heard of and am thankful he watches it for me and the review is 1000% more entertaining than the movie could have possibly been
The really sad part is that is is possible to tell the same story over and over with new and fun twists. The most obvious in my mind is the Sherlock Holmes stories. The modern spin by Moffet and Gatniss was well thought out and quite fun to watch. More recently I came across a well executed Chinese period soap opera that pulled in a lot of the same themes. Particularly a main character whose hyper-attentive attention to detail allows her to solve murders, stay one step ahead of those trying to eliminate her, and shape a kingdom (Story of Yanxi Palace). One that took me by surprise when I was younger was Ella Enchanted (the book, NOT the movie). It's a marvelous creative spin on the Cinderella story. Drew Barrymore's "Ever After" was another great telling of the old and often told Cinderella story. The potential exists to take a story and re-tell it in a way that brings new entertainment. The franchise soft-reboot is mostly suffering due to the slaughter of everything that made those franchises good in the first place. The Critical Drinker summed it up best with his video about them being written by children. I've often noted that the new Star Trek feel like it was written by a fangirl who couldn't see past tropes that don't even actually exists most of the time, but she was in love with one character. Add a hefty dose of modern propaganda and you've reduced a franchise to a steaming pile.
" we're living in a post creativity world now" -the critical drinker
Pretty much sums it all up
Ironically, drinker seems to plateau aswell. Always moaning about the most obvious cashgrabs and circling back to the same few franchises to roast.
@@AndiBraun93 I see what you mean, that's why in a way I prefer his After Hours channel. He makes some more recommendations for films and tends to discuss some more films he's fond of there. This main channel does has a few recommendations to be fair dut is mostly more of a content dump of the obvious decline of franchises today.
nope, thats pretty much doomsaying. we tent to judge past in congested form. there are always good and bad decades in music, tv , teathre , whatever, thats totaly normal and will eventualy swing in other direction. drinker is also dead wrong about remakes and soft reboots, from the dawn of writing we are retelling the same stories with new perspectives. thats pretty much how art works. very few thinks are original. how about the star wars, its mix of samurai a classic western movies, dumbed down, simplified and made attractive with the galaxy. and i am pretty sure, that movie geeks and old time loving critics saw it that way in their time.
It turns out that post modernists are uniformly terrible storytellers.
@@MrJustinOtis what you consider post modern? for example sapkowski is post modern, so is umberto eco. the issue with you guys is, that you have a political agenda.
I feel like you could make the "why modern movies suck" video every week and still have fresh content. Yes, its that bad.
he does
"Complaining about things on the internet?" - Nobody has ever done that before!
Yeah! We'll watch yet another rebooted critique, while the Drinker is out of ideas for how to bitch about actual creators being out of ideas.
Next episode: that godawful hack Hans Zimmer.
@@carlodave9 yeah, we always got you crybabies to entertain us too with your lack of ideas on how to hate on a content creator you don’t like. Please continue. I’ve got popcorn.
Going through my parents books that date back some 70+ years I have discovered some great story telling that I have NEVER seen dramatised on TV let alone made into film. If Hollywood would just read they could find a wealth of untold stories without having to create anything new and you know what ... they might just learn how to write as well.
Especially with Sci-fi..The only sci-fi genre movies being made now is Star Wars/Star Trek and MCU/DCEU, because they have a built-in fanboy audience base that will drop cash money on any prequel/now-quel/ sequel released no matter the quality. There are many excellent sci-fi books worthy of adaptation by a skilled writer, caring director, and a studio willing to tell story that doesn't have merchandise to sell.
A while back, I had introduced my wife to a couple CD reviews that had been in keeping with some movies we had been discussing - flash forward to just the other day, and the wife says she’s just watched this video on why today’s movies suck & she says, “I just watched a video on RUclips on why modern movies suck by your favorite guy… you know… that guy you always watch… the Angry Irishman?”
… I fucking lost it 😂
I remember sitting in the cinema watching Episode VII and thinking: "They have to be kidding me. JJ Abrams demoted the Extended Universe to better fan-fiction to have 'full creative freedom', and they are giving me the plot of Episode IV again? I should ask for my money back, I have seen this movie already. But better."
Little did I know that Episode VIII and IX would be even worse.
I never bothered watching any of the recent Star Wars movies ever since I saw that "Force is Female" nonsense from their T-Shirts
I thought pretty much the same and took it as a sign that the people in charge of creating this new Trilogy had no real (i.e. original) idea what to with the franchise, which is why I didn't go see Ep 8+9 - and boy did I dodge a bullet there :D
I was thinking that same thing dude, you had 40 years of awesome content to adapt into films and you just make a PC remake of ANH, moment I heard they nuked the EU is when I already gave up on the new movies.
People defended VII by saying Luke was a Mary Sue and IV wasn't much different. I'm like, are you even a Star Wars fan....
I also saw TFA at the theater. My buddy asked me what I thought and I remember telling him "if you seen a new hope, then you have seen this".
Drinker makes the point in 10 sec "we're living in a post creativity world!"
exactly!
They're pretty much the same made points in the other video.
The other side of this is that the audience gets off easy, too. No work, no thinking, no "Wow, that story didn't go the way I expected it to"...just let the superficially satisfying, watered-down nostalgia vibe wash over you. Eventually you start forgetting how good the real thing can actually feel, and don't want to take the risk trying to find it.
It died out in the early 2000s. Thank goodness we got LOTR as the last gasp of creative adaptation.
Not exactly. We are living in a post-creativity CORPORATE world. The talent is still out there, but the big studios have circled the wagons and appropriated most of the goodies and the ad space. The problem is not a lack of talent: it is a broken corrupt system that prioritizes marketability over talent.
Thank you! Finally someone mentioning the musical aspect of this problem....I can't stand how many times I used to listen to Ray Charles and some of my peers going "oh yeah I love that song by Jamie Foxx".
Jesus, at least have the decency to call it what it is: a cover.
I remember my sister used to think "I'm Blue" was a remix of "I'm Good".
A lot of younger people alive today don't actually realise that these things are reboots. I've personally witnessed this at movie theatres and in discussions online when people are streaming or doing podcasts - They don't know who the original actors are or what they are famous for, they might see something like Ghostbusters Afterlife, but they'll be confused by seeing the original Ghostbusters at the end for an entirely different reason (it's "who are these random old people?"). I know people who took their kids to see Jurassic World, but never watched Jurassic Park with them because 'it was too old' or said things like 'they wouldn't get it', even though as you said, they're basically the same movie and the original JP has effects and cinematography that still holds up today.
You know what the sad part is about all of this? This really only applies to establishment Hollywood. It wasn't that long ago that one of the ladies in charge of screening scripts admitted that they had and actively were passing up on scripts that were amazing because they didn't meet their identity politics agenda. Another great example is the Joker movie where they admitted that the original script had nothing to do with DC at all but they had to make the edits just to get it green lit at all and they basically secretly made it so that the studio wouldn't interfere because they had an agenda for nothing but comic book related movies at the time. So the real question is what actual scripts are out there that are being quietly squashed in the shadows? What are the movies that should be getting made but because Hollywood is a stagnant wasteland the scripts that should be getting made are being buried in a proverbial mass grave?
ABC, Disnazi owned openly admitted they passed on SEVERAL good scripts for TV shows because they weren't " woke" enough for them. So I wonder how those script writers dealt with that, did they give up hope on their idea because they were shut down for not being woke enough? Did they just accept that bury their scripts forever? Do they have the mentality of the participation trophy generation and gave up because they didn't get to see their scripts realized?
That’s a excellent point even fresh and more than likely great actors or actress that could brings those scripts to life being passed over because their sexuality or politics doesn’t add up to the gate keepers in Hollywood
When the first Wonder Woman came out (minus the ending) I enjoyed it and was onboard with giving female directors and execs a shot, but instantly regretted it when I saw the shite sequel. And ever since I've been sensitized by all the shows where the protagonists are two women working out their difficulties. Now I see it everywhere, The "Waste" of Time series, the latest Star Trek the USS Relationship, The Witcher rip Henry Cavil the only male on the show minus the cringey twat of a bard, Discovery of Bitches where demons, vampires and witches are interconnected and stronger together than apart, ending with the old white guy standing by himself because he's incapable of learning the message. And how many shows and commercials do I have to see where the guy is a baffoon, incompetent, or socially inappropriate, having to be patiently led by his woke friends.
Tis is not new, though. Just go back to Lucas and his attempts to get SW produced.
@Dickey Spouse So basically the original script was just an homage to Taxi Driver/The King of Comedy and they had to change the names and characters to fit it into the DC universe to get it greenlit.
One of the best examples of Great acting and good storytelling is Cobra Kai. Not a soft reboot, more of an actual sequel to the events of the first stories. No one is all good or all evil, each character has an arc, and you can’t help but be drawn in to the conflict.
How this made it passed the censors I will never know but thank goodness it did.
Apparently the twittarti are after Cobra Kai because they say it failed whamen or something like that.
agreed.
Cobra Kai, where they found a franchise that's a few decades old where not much was happening and therefore had loose continuity, filled with 80s nostalgia and references to the old material that went on to spawn several more seasons?
Yes, that totally breaks the mold the Drinker described.
Way better than it should be, way more enjoyable than 95% of the garbage we are fed today. Well done Cobra Kai crew. Keep it up
I get suspect now when I see big budget production
I went to the cinema in I think 2019 and I remember getting really disheartened at how nearly every film being promoted was beating a dead franchise, or reboots nobody asked for and nobody ended up watching.
I have been watching films from the 80's and I have found something that seems missing in modern films, something I call "ideal frienship", I mean a group of characters who stick to one another group who share the Easy and the hard. Today characters in films don't really seem to share this kind of friendship that makes you root for the main characters. Maybe modern films are a portrayal of today's human relationships, less personal, less affective.
The best joke made about Jurrasic Park:
"The dinosaurs are on a rampage! Who keeps giving us public liability insurance to keep this place open!?"
Even funnier when you read the book. Crichton addresses the insurers heavily, and how nervous they are about the park, and how they are already nearly about to pull the plug on the park at the start of the story due to worker deaths.
Flo from Progressive
If you're willing to pay the premiums you can probably find an insurer to cover your project. There are policies to cover the wartime losses of merchant ships to enemy raiding, they just cost an arm and a leg.
Why heavy story costs my dinosaur's future why
Atleast when the movie has things you can fix, your not put to shame for having ideas, movies and stuff with a purpose are boastful at how we the people cannot have an idea
When I was a kid I loved Calvin and Hobbes the comic strip. It was sad when it came to a end, I wanted Bill Watterson to keep going. But now looking back as an adult I am so glad he did Stop and that he did not sell out. It’s one of those things you can go back to every now and again, without that yucky feeling of oh god someone came along and rebooted this.
If he had kept it going, it would likely have gotten into “get woke, go broke” territory. Gary Larson of “The Far Side” is another one who knew better than to run his creation into the ground.
Sssh, don't give them ideas.
Great example. His final comic is an invitation to be creative ones own works to fill the void of having no more Calvin and Hobbes. If only more followed his lead.
Yeah same. It is better that the strip remains where it is, and how Watterson never wanted C&H merchandise to happen because it wasn’t something he wanted the series to be known for. No Calvin & Hobbes all grown up, no Spaceman Spiff spin-off series, no Hobbes plushies, none of that, and that I can respect.
Oh 100% the same. Loved Calvin and Hobbes. Thank God he never sold the rights for some dumb Cartoon Network cartoon.
There was actually a "course" peddled online twenty or so years ago (and probably still) that coached aspiring writers on how to take a popular old story and update and repackage it into a popular new story. Change the time frame! Change the country! Hence we got Pretty Woman (a cheapened version of My Fair Lady) and War Horse (a reworking of Black Beauty without the horse VO that gave the plot some continuity), and no doubt others. It's a cynical approach to writing.
We need clever movies again, from movie makers that are experimenting with ideas, looking forward in the art form instead of backwards or stagnated by current media trends and attention.
Christopher Nolan is one of the only directors I actually feel excited to watch these days, he's always exploring new themes.
They can’t do anything new because it’ll offend someone somewhere and that’s a no-no.
I was watching The Sting the other night and lamenting that we never see films even close to that quality these days. In fact i've been re-watching a lot of 70's films lately, possibly the best decade ever
@@krispykremes2482 I agree. 60’s and 70’s so many great movies: Dr. Zhivago, Ryan’s Daughter, Psycho, Midnight Cowboy, The Godfather, In the Heat of the Night, Lawrence of Arabia. Truly epic films which don’t compare with the awful crap Hollyweird puts out now.
I'm just glad there are so many older movies that I haven't seen. I can spend the rest of my life watching "new" movies without spending one minute on this kind of trash. Keep up the great work, Drinker.
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Same
That’s what I’ve been doing! 👌
Same goes for music and games. There's plenty out there to keep us entertained our entire Iives.
YES
I recently watched the early/mid 90s movie "The Net" starring Sandra Bullock, a thoroughly mediocre movie from the 90s that I had never seen before despite being around during that decade, and by the end I was like "HOLY SHIT...that was a better constructed, more fun, original, and entertaining movie than any I've seen in YEARS!". We are truly in a dark place creatively. Everything is preachy. Nothing is fun. Everything is woke. Nothing is original.
I'm with you brother lol. Whenever new movies come out, I get so depressed by the trailers that I just watch "crappy" movies that I missed in the 90's. Turns out they're pretty damn good compared to what's on offer today 🤣
If you want to see how far Hollywood has fallen just compare a list of Oscar nominated films from the 70s or 80s with the last decade. It's a real kick in the head for movie lovers. Recent winners like Moonlight and The Shape of Water have no business even being considered Best Movie.
In mainstream Hollywood maybe. You need to expand your horizons for more creative and original stuff!
No one believes me when I say this. They say "Eh, you just don't remember the bad old movies." No. Wrong. I do remember, and what was considered mediocre in the 80's-90's is now the gold standard. Many 'bad' old movies are legitimately better constructed films than a lot of the 'good' movies of today.
If something of even remotely good quality is released today (Nobody, Far From Home, ect.) It is praised to high heaven simply by having achieved basic competence of film-making. That's how far the standard has fallen. The bar is underground at this point.
The Net was awesome! lots good fun 90's technology based movies. If you can track down 'Virtuosity' from 95 you are in for a heap of fun
An interesting thing about the soft reboot is that it works best for those who have never seen the original, or those who haven’t seen the original since the 30 some odd years since it was released.
I wonder if there is some studio logic to that. Perhaps they know the die hard fans will watch the movie anyway, so the casual filmgoer is the one they have to please.
The shame, I guess, in this is that the casual filmgoer misses out on what is usually a better told version of the same film they just watched.
Basically. I see alot of "fans" who defend the new versions, but if you actually try to discuss details, they don't actually remember. Something something space ship pew pew, what's the difference?
I don't know. Plenty of times I hadn't seen the original, or I did, but not long ago to have any nostalgia for it, so I just see them as kinda "eh".
That’s their motive.. they know the odds of new generations to watch a TV show called West World and to think it’s something new and shiny since Studios don’t expect these kids to undust the old content.. yet they seem surprised when you tell them… Oh no.. West World is just a Tv show reboot of the old 70s Yule Bryner’s movie. Lol. So they capitalize on the new gens, it’s best figured to make some money while spending less efforts on something that was already made than something new with a total or partial failure.
I see no reason to see remakes if the original is already public domain: you watch a better movie for free, absolute stonks
@@sergiowinter5383The original is almost never public domain.
Snow White (1937) is the oldest animated movie ever, and it's still restricted by copyright.
Once again you hit the nail on the head. To me the movie industry is very similar to the music industry, there is almost nothing that is new or original. Almost everything is copied, sampled or just plain copied from the older original songs. We have accepted that "sampling" is now part of songs theses days when they should be unable to blatantly copy parts of older successful songs to " create" their new crappy version. IMHO this just dilutes the pool of creativity of our species and creates weaker versions of generations that come after them.
"when it comes to mainstream movies, we are pretty much living in a post - creativity world now"
That line struck me really deeply
Plenty of foreign films to enjoy!
Because evil cannot create, it can only imitate and destroy.
Actually if to pronounce it academically it is not post-creativity,but post-modernism. And unfortunately it is not only about movies. It is about everything.
Same goes for music, television and games!
@@SpiritofNature sadly true.
Here is a list of the classic movies that came out in 1984: "Footloose", "This Is Spinal Tap", "Splash", "Romancing The Stone", "The Bounty", "Sixteen Candles", "The Natural", "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom", "Once Upon A Time In America", "Star Trek III: The Search For Spock", "Ghostbusters", "Gremlins", "The Karate Kid", "The Last Starfighter", "Revenge of the Nerds", "Purple Rain", "The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension", "Red Dawn", "Amadeus", "The Bear", "All of Me", "The Terminator", "The Killing Fields", "Beverly Hill Cop", "2010", "Starman". Funny thing there more I just got tired of writing.
Most of those are good, but I happened to rewatch "Gremlins" three days ago on a whim, and it wasn't really anything special.
There were plenty of stupid parts, with my favorite being Zach Galligan struggling mightily to make it seem as if he was somehow being defeated by a two-foot puppet weakly tossing random sporting goods at him. Overall, the movie was just moderately amusing in a dopey way.
@@stevenscott2136 it’s silly, but it’s a good silly.
The point is not how some of the effects or scenes aged almost 40 years later, but that so many different things were tried that year. Sure, a few sequels in there, all worse than their predecessors. But at least not reboots.
@@MrNickPresley It's original too.
@@stevenscott2136 I like "Streets of Fire" a lot more.
The first time I watched the force awaken I was a wee lad
After getting out of the cinema I asked my father "wasn't that identical to the first movie?"
It was
youre expressing my innermost thoughts here. its so frustrating, i dont even know who to blame, it just feels like everythings becoming more dumb, shallow and repetitive and still remains successful and people are buying or even loving it..
and nobodys coming up with new ideas, everythings just a remake of someone elses creative work. every goddamn show im seeing is based on a novel or based on a former movie that was based on a novel - not that making movies from books is a 100% terrible thing per se but why cant people think of new stories anymore ffs
I always thought one of the problems with the reboots are the executives that finance them, is not unheard of them inserting themselves in the creative process and ruining the vision of the creator and lay all the blame on them
My comment seems to have been deleted, but I'll try again.
While it's true executives like to interfere, the truth is that most original scripts in this day an age are incoherent and boring.
So that's why executives try to work together with somewhat competent writers to resurrect old franchises.
But there's hope. If a new script is good it can end up on the ironically named Black List.
Vox did some good reporting on this for their RUclips channel, but the Film Courage RUclips channel is more up to date.
With the way she's written, it wouldn't surprise me if Rey from the Sequel Trilogy is basically Kathleen Kennedy's avatar.
You know, I find myself willing to watch low quality films, so long as they aren't infected with identity politics. That's how low my bar is at the moment when it comes to the modern entertainment. But, more often than not, I just watch or re-watch the good old stuff. Plenty of good or at least passable films prior to 2015. I don't pay for woke, and wouldn't watch it for free either, because my time is just as valuable. People tend to fall for a computerised special effects pretty pic and that's all they care about, but to me 80-90s B-movies are better than modern sht from Hollywood that makes billions...
Yes..but the producers are the ones who hire these shitty writers in the first place then fire them, hire another hack or 'go to guy' and stuff up even more, delay the release date and order re-shoots, and more re-shoots and even more CGI to 'fill the blank spaces'. Hell, even Lucas did this with his 'remastered Star Wars' releases. They were inferior to the originals in every way. But...you've gotta get bums on seats and the pop corn sales up somehow.
That scene in Jurrassic World where the park owner and lead scientist are supposed to be having this philosophical discussion made absolutely no sense to me when watching. Your reference to it being a meta commentary on declining quality of sequels was both genius and hilarious.
I didn't realize how fortunate I was to have grown up in the un-modern era where movies were just movies and not a social experiment.
Imagine you had an ex that you remember was extremely attractive and clever, funny, all the things you wanted but it never worked out. 15 years later they call you up and they are an absolute wreck, but still try to hit on you like nothing has changed. This is what the soft reboot feels like to me.
Nah, it's a bit like being hit on by their daughter... They look like a younger, newer, more exciting version of the person you knew, but turn out to be far more vapid, vacuous, shallow and self absorbed...
@@ImRuined666 ……and more up tight about everything and less open minded!
And would gladly fake sexual assault to ruin your life!
One of the biggest problems with modern movies is how emotionally manipulative they are. They will construct a scene to illicit an emotional reaction, but said scene has little or nothing to do with the overall plot. It is simply designed to raise an emotional reaction from the viewer, tricking them into thinking they are watching something of great substance.
They really love trying to convince you that this soulless cash grab is a deep and thought-provoking experience.
Bingo!!!
I know what you mean. Absolutely forced scenarios to get The Message across.
Someone said recently that modern movie making has become all about moments, not stories or characters. Think it might have been a comment in a CinemaSins vid. In the end the result as you said is hollow and barren, but upon the emotional wave people think it has meaning. Sometimes they're just downright stupid, such as an often cited line from "Black Panter" which makes no sense at all, yet because it *sounds* emotionally deep people choose to believe it must be (oodles of comments from people saying it made them cry, I mean for grud's sake), without properly thinking at all about the implications of what they've heard. Movies have become a blend of visual sophistry and collectivist ideological messaging.
@@mapesdhs597 Which line from Black Panther?
It feels like we’ve been having reboots for the last ten years with minimal original pieces and the actual originals have no soul. Good movies or shows are rare now. The creativity has been sucked away and replaced with quotas and check marks and lecturing narratives. It’s not about story-telling anymore.
I think back to Star Trek Generations. It combined the old and new Star Trek in a pretty decent way. The plot was simple, but the characters were all on point. And, instead of jobbing the old characters out to the new ones, they simply passed the torch as equals.
None of the old characters needed to die, or get outdone by the new ones. Just allowed time to press on, and The Next Generation was a huge hit on TV, and the movies were all brilliant as well.
Such a hit, that they still need to drag Patrick Stewart, the Borg, and the rest of the TNG cast into all the new material just so people will notice it.
The title got me thinking for a moment, “Why modern movies suck.” The first thing that came to mind for me is; they don’t really need to try anymore.
It’s kinda like video games. At first, they used to be extremely innovative, trying anything they can to grab the audience’s attention. However, now they found a formula, a formula that works and makes a LOT of money, time and time again.
“If it’s broken but makes loads of cash, why fix it?”
So, "Subnautica: Below Zero" wasn't up to the original?
@@Otokichi786 I meant this in more of Tripple A developers.
This is just a general statement so it won't work for EVERY SINGLE sequel game there is.
(TBH, I think BZ is ok, but I would much rather replay the original, just MY opinion.)
Can't say I've seen something interesting on the front page of Steam in a long while. It's all F2P and/or grindfest and/or boring sequel/ubisoft or something else that I couldn't care less about. Haven't upgraded my PC since 2015 and don't intend to considering I have nothing to look forward to. Most of the few games I bought in the last year are older titles on GOG, and Psychonauts 2 (which honestly was a breath of fresh air). If that's the direction the whole gaming industry is going, well then I guess me and my cash are out.
And I'm pretty sure I'm far from alone in that situation.
@@Otokichi786 yes your one example totally disproves that vast marjority of video games are lazy and follow the same formula over and over again.
If it makes money, these studios don’t see it as broken. All they care about anymore is profits
Baudrillard predicted that we would one day live in an “after-world” where practically everything already exists and the same old stuff just gets recycled, the same old stories retold, the same old ideas reframed and rebranded, culturally and psychologically regurgitating symbols that once meant something over and over again. As this process continues people lose all sense of actual meaning and reality.
_(1981, Simulacra and Simulation)_
40 years later here we are.
Very interesting
Except that, actually, we've been retelling the same story for tens of thousands of years.
People and society have not really qualitatively changed in a long LONG time.
Baurdrillard's philosophy was very inspirational in the making of The Matrix. We truly are living in synthetic times.
@@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself Except that we haven't, stories sharing the same core "The Hero's Journey" base does not means they are the same and to imply otherwise is not only wrong, but dishonest, its dishonest to imply that sharing the universal base of a (good) story is on par with uncreatively regurgitating the same plot, dot by dot, of a particular story over and over again.
Yes, I know you might think yourself deep, but there's nothing of clever in intellectual dishonesty.
@@konglight4070 Well that’s a lot of negative intention to read into a complete stranger’s comment…I didn’t take any of that away from those thoughts at all. Humans just aren’t that original to begin with and I can’t help but wonder if some of the plots we consider modern have been told before and are simply lost to time.
The Harry Potter movie franchise id say had a massive impact...the influence of turning out consecutive movies, that are all the same but also put butts in seats... turned into a model that the film industry took and ran with.
Thank you man, you inspired me to keep going. I became a passionate screenwriter a few years back, lost my mojo but you're inspiration Mr Drinker.
It really pissed me off when Force Awakens went with Star Killer Base as their Big-Scary-Weapon. The Death Star...only bigger?
Seriously, they could have had self-piloting hyper-space thrusters dispensing a tungsten rod just outside a planet's atmosphere, annihilating a planet with a weapon the size of the Millennium Falcon! Scary, equally as destructive than the Death Star, and impossible to locate, track, or predict. Or take a plasma weapon that harvests a sun's energy to charge itself, then uses that energy to create a repulsion beam that can "nudge" a star, freezing (or roasting) the target planet by shoving its own sun further away or closer to it.
But NOOOO!!!! It was "Death Star, only bigger! I made LOST! Mystery Box, guys!"
I could swear that both your suggestions were already covered in some way by the old EU, the former by the Galaxy Gun and the latter by the Sun Crusher.
And not only that but as a horrible bonus they used the name StarKiller.
@@MikeSandersonVideos They really called it Starkiller base??? I was so confused whether I missed some Force Unleashed references
Meanwhile at the construction site of the starkiller base : hey, how was the deathstar destroyed two times? Oh, we had an design mistake that it could be blown up with an average pilot with an single torpedo.... Cool, we have to implant that here too!
@@Daemonarch2k6 I liked the really old canon for the Death Star, where the Empire _knew_ the thermal port was a potential weak point but judged the chances of anyone making that kind of shot being so infinitesimal that it was considered almost impossible... and they still added extra defenses in the area just in case.
Like, I have the old "Death Star User's Manual", and in it Tarkin observes that armaments entering that thermal port would reach the reactor and potential cause a catastrophic failure, but based on the advice of the Death Star's designer, the engineers and his own experience and expertise he considered it an acceptable risk.
I can understand StarKiller Base having a similar weakness... but not how _easy_ it was.
I still remember my growing shock and disgust as I was watching TFA for the first and last time, as it dawned on me that the new Star Wars film everyone was so hyped about wasn't a continuation of the saga but rather a disjointed and illogical retelling of A New Hope that made no sense in the continuity established in the OT.
It may seem silly and naive in hindsight, but I was completely blindsided by the level of laziness and contempt for the audience that went into that film. I had low expectations for sure, but I was at least expecting an original story...
Insanely lazy and insulting to the OT. For all its faults, the PT at least had the basis of a good story that with some scriptwriting and directing help could have been great. I think the first mistake was thinking in terms of a trilogy for the ST. The first movie should have been a standalone with the original characters in a better place and situation that what we found (and of course the big three should have been on the screen together at some point). The threat should have come from the outside - not reinforce that Lea, Luke, Han, and the leadership structure from the original movies didn't know what they were doing. I haven't read much of the expanded literature, but there had to have been great concepts that could have been employed.
Given that they had decades of expanded universe to pull inspiration from, it was especially disappointing
And yet, it was arguably the best movie of that trilogy...
You think that's bad, try watching The Last Jedi. TLJ was so bad I haven't been to see a Star Wars film at the cinema since, and I'm a 40 years SW fan.
@@jarink1 No argument possible there. Last Jedi somehow was so bad it made Force Awakes worse. And yet Rise of Skywalker was so exponentially bad it made Last Jedi look BETTER by comparison (all three are dogshit but each one gets more liquid as it goes on).
Every time I want to write my own versions of past characters for my kids, I watch this video, to remind myself that I should reflect carefully on "do I really need to add to what the character's already done? Or has it been done before?" Thanks Drinker, for keeping it real.
This is the most validating critique of blockbusters I have ever seen. Thank you for this.
I remember my family being very excited for Coming 2 America as we all love the first one. I was aware that Hollywood has a habit of ruining great films so I wasn't particularly excited. When it came out on Prime, we watched it, my parents and my brother thought it was hilarious, while I grumbled in the corner as they repeated jokes that were told better 40 years ago, bringing back every character from the original as fan service, and "Luke Skywalkered" Akeem, taking away everything that made him loveable in the first place so that they could send a feminist message about his daughter rightfully becoming Queen after being held back by older men.
That was a major disappointment.
My dad absolutely hated it, he pretty much just watches Chinese and Japanese historical dramas/action movies and reruns of Everyone Loves Raymond now.
Right! The did Akeem so dirty.
I didn't even bother watching it.
Even in the first video.
The prince sought out a modern feminist woman. You're telling me most men wouldn't have rather had his FIRST chosen wife? An well behaved virgin. Willing to devote her body & mind to her husband?
Yeah I'd rather have that. Than a confrontational feminist. With a body count higher than a terminator.
@@0Doves0 Didn't they retcon in him getting date-raped so he would have a bastard son living in NYC?
Alan Grant was a great protagonist. Nerdy, middle aged scientist with a heart of gold. He was someone kids could realistically aspire to be like.
I found him to be a great example of a man, when I was a kid. He was intelligent, learned, brave, in good shape and didn't shy from speaking his opinions but did so diplomatically without being an abrasive dick.
My wife recently asked why I don't want to watch movies with her anymore. I guess I'm going to have to have her watch a bunch of Critical Drinker's vids.
Because I literally get sick at the thought of 99% of the movies she asks to watch, and she's beginning to complain that I only want to watch old movies again.
save your relationship and do just that.
Communication is key!
Self indulgent screenwriters using the characters to channel themselves and their music/film/animé etc. tastes, tee me off.
"Characters"are all Zombis now anyway - jerked this way and that with no internal coherence for the sake of endless plot twists, that in turn have no narrative coherence they're just reflexive ...
Sounds like your wife just wants to enjoy movies with you and you want to nitpick instead of having fun with her because some random drunk guy tells you it's a bad movie because....well because. you don't even see the movies she suggests how do you know you will hate it ? because some guy on YT told you? good luck enjoying anything. Movies ain't that deep when it comes to just watching them for the sake of watching with family. You can still enjoy the movies you personally like.
@@DesiCat789 Does it occur to you that different people consume media differently? You may be able to watch a bad movie and still be entertained, doesn't mean that others work the same.
And it just breaks my heart because there are SO MANY writers across the globe who would give anything to have a shot to tell their stories. Original stories and otherwise and maybe even stories from old franchises that could revive them in an effective way. And they will never get a chance because of idiots in Hollywood wanting money more than art.
That is capitalism buddy.
"Post-creativity world" - Brilliant phrasing! Accurate AND frightening.
No, this is wrong.
We live in a post coup world.
A world ruled by the tribe, members of the sos.
I maintain that if Ghostbusters: Afterlife achieved nothing else, erasing 2016 WAS honor done to the originals.
I concur, well said 👌🏻
Couldn't agree more..never happened 🤣🤣...that reminds me I planned to watch tonight..
I think it's the one, and so far pretty much only, soft reboot that actually works, both as a movie and as a reboot of the series because that last stinger gives some interesting possibilities for a new movie, or movies, which could maybe create new stories while using the same fictional universe. It's by no means perfect, but personally, I like franchises, provided they don't just rehash the old but move forward with the story. That has sometimes been done quite well in book series, a good example being the Dresden Files, but while it is admittedly rather more rare with movies the way Afterlife is done, and with that ending stinger, who knows, there is maybe some hope for that with Ghostbusters now if there are more movies.
AND the suits don't get scared and decide that the next movie really just needs to copy the same already tested formula. Which will probably happen...
well said Drinker.
and another great montage at the end.
keep up the good work! RobG
Once again, absolutely accurate assessment! I'm inspired by your extolling storytellers to stop ruining franchises from the past that achieved success and attempt to create something new, or at least their own. Your prompts is encouraging. So I will. 😊
I hate how studios will bring back iconic characters unanimously loved by the entire fanbase just to completely shit on them to show off their new and bland characters. This is exactly what happened with Star Wars and the Matrix. This concept has made me terrified of watching Michael Keaton get emasculated in the Flash film. At least No Way Home did this right.
So they're doing _another_ attempt at their DCEU thingie? Having both the Micheal Keaton _and_ the Ben Afleck Batman? With _zero_ connection to the Batman movie that will be released the same year? JFC.
History will repeat yourself I reckon. Keaton was against the fans because they didn't find him big enough. Good scriptwriting would have someone say " I thought you'll be bigger. " Then he does one of the many martial arts taking on a opponent larger than him with ease.
A way of showing that batman doesn't have to have a physique of a kettlebell to be imposing.
I heard Doc Ock was the brunt of many jokes in No Way Home tho...
@@Gotten37 He was still great and I thought the character got a good ending to his story
Star Wars, Matrix, Terminator reboots and so many more all have a similar theme, replace iconic male characters with a hard earned skill set with a female who hasn't trained or struggled, but is equally impressive. Won't that be hard to sell? Nope, barely an inconvenience.
"The Force Awakens" is perhaps the ultimate example of how easy it is to pull the wool over people's eyes. An utterly safe and predictable rehash of a previously successful story with flashy new special effects. And just enough characters, references and call backs to the originals to convince long time fans that this movie is somehow on their side." Words I needed to hear back in 2015 to avoid 6 years of disappointment and regret.
I had so much naïve optimism for what the first movie was leading to, only to be disappointed by the follow up
Well the first movie needed to be this way i think. To show every one that you can do a star wars movie (witch is still a simple action adventure storys) but after that .wow they fucked upp .i like some part in 8 (*some parts) but 9.....9 is almost as bas as the prequals. Wich is a very low bar
@@yuvalgabay1023 the prequels are way better than those movies. They don't completely shit on star wars lore
@@trevorthornley8835 wtf do you mean. They murder yoda character. The made the force a fucking dbz power scale,they made ankine the littles bitch baby imaginable..+lore serve the story not the other way around.but even will i agree whit you that episode 9 did shit on the og. Still not as bad as the prequals..i cant even call the first one a movie and second one makes me sleep or cring. The third one is only ok for the very start and end (but still 5).ate least in the sqaules (wich i dont like) i can find some good stuff like kilo development (a dark sider drawn to the light is pretty cool) and look. Even phin ,pho?(the black strom struper in the first movie .but i couldn't really find the good stuff in the prequals except the sanator here and there. And cool designs
@@yuvalgabay1023 please learn to spell. The prequels add to star wars, the sequels just take it all away. Also prequels did the clone wars, prequel music, Darth maul, new interesting mythology and era, qui Gon jinn, prequel villains, and it actually was one singular vision and plan. The sequels are well made, sure, but that's it.
Very well-said. I think you've captured the con perfectly here, Mr. Drinker. Cheap, hollow, and manipulative indeed. I particularly enjoyed your closing words about taking risks in the name of good storytelling again.
Enough people feel this way, something has to change, right? When? 10 years, 20 years? I'm ready
Hollywood has lost it in more ways than one.
Especially because of *THE MESSAGE*
How do kill the massage.
i have been calling it, "the era of creatively bankrupt" we have been seeing different forms of this in different genres, comics, rpg, and video games. you can definitely tell that the creators wanted to do something completely different by they were the new hotness the corp wanted to push forward. it is either: their ideas weren't good enough to stand on their own or the corp already purchased an expensive IP and wanted to get returns on it. it's a damn shame that creators are not given a chance to allow their ideas to stand on their own and corps are too incentivized to just by an popular IP that they know is a "sure thing" at the boxoffice.
It's more broadly a mental bankruptcy of society itself. Living by glorifying the past and unwilling or unable to deal with that future challenges, clinging to the comfortabel things from nostalgia and tradition.
Rehashed Star Wars, rehashed bad guy bringing doom to the world, rehashed Godzilla, rehashed "Personal Jesus" by Depeche Mode... the second coming...
"Stop stealing my stories", my favourite line from the video...
I once read "Star Wars: The Thrawn Trilogy" books back in the late 90's and they were fantastic. I was expecting a storyline more akin to this than what we got with The Force Awakens. I didn't bother watching movies 8 and 9. 7 was total trash.
You’re lucky
8 and 9 were way worse. On the bright side you don’t have to see how they ruined luke
Trust me, you didn’t miss anything. Episodes 8 and 9 are just trash.
There are a number of good star wars books, they should have used as material.
Even the very old graphic novel where Leah is a Jedi, and the emperor has a bunch of clones, is better than what we got.
These 2 series are also worth listening to.
The Legacy of the Force series
and
The Fate of the Jedi series
as far as I'm concerned the original trilogy and the Thrawn trilogy are the true canon
@@Protoman888 and the prequels
This reminds me of a sentence I heard when I was still at University: You can copy my technique, but you cannot copy my inspiration. I think this is where modern media (be it Films, Musik or Games) just falls of. In the beginning, people had ideas, dreams or worries about the future or heard an unbelievable story that resonated with them. Then they tried to bring their thoughts accross by using a medium. Nowadays the inspiration for most of these movies are movies. So they try to recapture what made the movie so special without realizing that it simply was the idea, message or story that the creator wanted to tell that made it special in the first place
"When the Real is no longer what it once was, nostalgia assumes its full meaning" -Jean Baudrillard, 1981, Simulation & Simulacra.
@Brandon Knight he hated it? I would‘ve assumed he loved it. Please explain
@Brandon Knight I was playing devil‘s advocate.
Baudrillard hated the movie because The Matrix masquerades as Postmod while actually being Plato‘s Cave. The real and unreal are clearly defined in the movie while Baudrillard believed we could no longer separate them. TV (The Matrix) had dissolved in reality.
Plus, Baudrillard was a Marxist theorist and wrote to topple capitalism while the Wachowskis recuperated value for the system by commodifying his theories
wow! This is perfect
Since there's no new franchises nowadays, I'm curious what they're gonna spoof in 10/20 yrs?
Hollywood's gonna have an issue if they just remake remakes, the allure of these ip's will hopefully be lost by then, but I can see hollywood continuing reskinning these franchises to "appeal" to younger/upcoming generations. I can see them gutting the stories & keeping the aesthetic into perpetuity.
The soft reboot thing has made me even more cynical towards Hollywood/movies than I already was.
Nostalgia is the worst part of these soft reboots. Playing with our memories in order to ruin them.
solution: dont watch reboots
The video game industry has been cashing in on nostalgia too, bringing back WoW classic and BC, and pumping out shit expansions, milking their entire franchise into desiccation.
@@Rob-uv6fb one video game franchise that focused very hard on nostalgia was Sonic The Hedgehog in the 2010’s decade but now I hope the next game invents something new
@@JonathanGaeta
The problem with Sonic is that the original creators stopped working on Sonic many years ago.
This is all so spot on. We're actually not cynical enough when it comes to Hollywood's grift. New releases like the new Matrix gets met with (mostly) open mindedness and optimism. But even with the original writer and director on board, its a ridiculous revisionist mess.
I honestly don't think it's about making money for them, I think the idea is to overwrite beloved movies. The implied destruction is the point. I've come to believe that the money power genuinely is that spiteful.
The new matrix was a hostage negotiation and it turned out fine, really.
@@user-ko3tv7jl2r The problem with this mentality is that YOU have something to be spiteful about, but what do 'they' have to be spiteful about? I think it's really just money motivated and people project the rest.
@@pokermitten9795 It's clearly not profit motivated. It may be money motivated, given that in order to receive investment they need to meet certain ESG targets, but the people managing and/or investing in these things are clearly motivated by a hatred of white western culture. What else do you think explains it?
@@pokermitten9795 I think the reason people accuse "them" of being spiteful is because of things like the marketing and the things they say.
As an example, I _despise_ that Wakiki or Watiti or whatever his name is, the guy behind Thor Ragnarok, since he declared he'd happily fuck up Thor's comic lore. I _liked_ Thor Ragnarok until that exchange happened, and now his name is poison to me. It's the same thing with that moron who directed Terminator Dark Fate and him being all, "I don't give a FUCK".
Compare that to Ghostbusters Afterlife, for example. In the run up to the film's release, all the stuff I saw about it (and I deliberately avoided stuff as much as possible because I wanted to avoid inadvertent spoilers) only talked about how much they want to make a good movie or how much the original meant and how they want to honour it and stuff like that.
A big thing that the showrunners, Hollywood and also these days the videogame industry do not understand is the importance of depth and complexity. What makes you love a movie or a series or a videogame is that there is something beyond the things just happening at the screen. If there is no depth, you just watch and forget it right away. Its one and done.
Lots of people love Tolkien because there is lots of lore and depth that you can dive into and it is well thought out. You fall in love to the smaller things. Those always matter.
A bad example is like the Star Wars 7-9 movies. If you dive deep into them you just become annoyed and frustrated because nothing makes sense. They did not think about the depth.
In the videogame side a good example would be kartracers. People still love, play and speedrun the old kartracers like Mario Kart and the ps1 Crash Team Racing is the absolute endless depth in the physics and karts mechanics. There is always so much to improve ( I know more about CTR than Mario Kart) in CTR after years of playing it. The improving never stops.
In the remake CTR Nitro Fueled, you might improve on some lines or timings in jumps, but the kart is bland, boring. You dont have deep mechanics and small things to improve. Takes some weeks or max months to become 90%+ as good as you can be, then you dont have anything to learn or improve on. Very boring. Thats why new games are not as replayed as old ones.
Another example is Donald Duck. I have read the magazine for 20 years. I just love Don Rosa because when you read it, there is always something happening in the environment that he draws which does not need to be there, does not impact the story, but makes you want to read the comic again. Look at the drawings more in depth, you will find some humour and appreciate the effort of the person that drew it. THAT is what makes you love it. If you dont have it, you just breeze through fast and probably dont remember a thing afterwards. Small things always matter!
. . . wait . . . 30 years after a new hope? How did Luke go from being a teenager to 60 in 30 years?