The Truth About "Toxic Fandoms"
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2022
- "Toxic Fandoms" are something the media never seems to tire of talking about these days, but why? Why do they keep trotting out this most overused of phrases? Join me as I find out.
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Henry Cavill said it best:
“I get what you’re saying, but it is a fan’s right to have whatever opinion they want. I don’t consider that toxic, I just consider that passionate”
@Robert Monroe Maybe have someone not Snyder direct his movie next, the guy deserves so much more
Henry Cavill is based
Henry Cavill is a star of the people, he is literally a nerd for Warhammer 40,000.....and as a fellow fan of Warhammer 40,000 that makes me proud, plus his commitment towards fans of the franchises he plays in
@@shouryajitbhattacharya2900 oh totally agreed, I love that he's a fellow 40k nerd too lol
@@shouryajitbhattacharya2900 hes also a PC gamer nerd too which is pretty cool.
Disney: "We resist"
A multibillion dollar corporation trying to act like freedom fighters.
What a joke
While making a movie in china near slave camps
@Robert Monroe unrelated: hope the concept morbillion popularize and be remembered in the future
They're unbelievably cringe
They don’t resist shit except for morals, ethics, and responsibility.
Fan: "I don't like it"
Studio: "Why not?"
Fan: "Well, the characters are bland, the stories are not engaging, and I feel people just forced in drama."
Studio: "It must be because you hate black people/women."
If "fans" are calling actress N-word, it is fair to call them racists.
@@martinsriber7760
Who called her an N-word? All the posts I have seen just criticize her character and the writing of the show. Are those people racist them? Is it only racism if they use the N-word?
Besides, are those really fans or just some twitter twats that love drama and feed off people's misery?
Say, ever notice that the worst people to exist are all on twitter? Maybe they need to stay away from Twitter.
Oh and if a black person says "all white people should die" is that considered racism too or are we gonna keep pretending that only white on black bigotry is racism while Anti-Japanese leftist on Twitter are just "social commenting on cultural ethics?"
Nigeru means "Run Away" in Japanese which sure does seem to offend alot of white people especially leftist.
Are YOU gonna call people who give constructive criticism racist too even if theh never use a derogatory term?
Is calling a white person a cracker also racist?
Then again, this coming from actress who works for a company that has no issues with concentration camps.
What if it’s both tho? Like what if the story sucks and you’re racist and hate women? Asking for a friend.
@@flexoffender7124 Then you need to seek a therapist....or your friend does.
@@flexoffender7124 then they missed a great opportunity to change the mind of this person by creating a good story with an authentic charakter that would normaly be stigmatised.
Disney: "We're excited to see where Reva's story goes."
Star Wars Fans: "Who gives a fuck about Reva's story. What about KENOBI'S story?!? You know, in the show called KENOBI!?!"
Disney: "Stop being racist. We resist."
disney saying "we resist" as if they fight for freedom
while fans are in the right fighting for actual justice and truth
is true villain move - claim they are the good guys while being the worst guys
yes, you were labelled racist for saying you didn't like a character. not because of the racist messages you sent to an actor over social media.
In uk they can arrest you for coments like that
@@ryszakowy This sounds like something that happened in the real world for the last two and a half years and a certain set of Leaders that may have lied to people to get their agendas attended to.
@@yurkafrankvel966 Know they can't. I live in the UK. Stop making shit up.
Disney: _"Don't you dare act racist, customers!"_
ALSO Disney: shrinks Finn down to 1/8th size on the _TheForceAwakens'_ Chinese poster to appease CCP racism
Plus that it was very clear they were gonna make Finn and Poe homosexual, but randomly decided not to.
I [China] sure [China] wonder [China] why [China].
When they ruined Wheel Of Time, It completely confirmed my suspicion that these people were not woke at all, and that something else was going on.
@@AzureRoxe what? When was it clear that they were going to be homosexual?
@@AzureRoxe I'm genuinely confused. Was it obvious that Finn and Poe would get together, cause I probably missed all the cues
@@MrTREEHUNTER22 men can't be friends any more, there has to be a nascent homosexual attraction. And then they kiss.
Imagine you’ve been a loyal patron to your favourite restaurant for decades. The food was always delicious and on point and the service was impeccable. You tell your friends about it and bring in much business for them throughout the years. Then out of nowhere they change their menu to a totally different cuisine, hire chefs that can’t cook, and hire lazy servers with bad attitudes and after voicing your dissatisfaction with the changes, the restaurant tells You that YOU are a bad customer for not continuing to patronize the business and embrace the changes and you’re toxic for yearning for the better food and better service of the past
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in a nutshell
funny , that actually happen to me this days in real life ...
Sounds like a Kitchen Nightmares episode!
Perfect analogy
@pyropulse because of nostalgia and the vein hope that it will go back to what it was or the glimmer of a chance that it will improve even slightly. Completely forgetting that the new management detest your food favorites and the owners have many other businesses and may be cynically using this one as a tax write off. Then you hear that the head chef that reopened the restaurant is coming back even though they have had made controversial statements about the entire restaurant industry. Analogy for dr who.
It’s a perfect formula:
Step one: Hire an ultra diverse cast
Step two: Write a lazy story with lazy characters
Step three: Convince people they’re bigoted if they don’t enjoy your product
It reminds me of how a lot of modern art avoids criticism by people claiming that critics just don’t understand it. Emperor’s new clothes logic kicks in and now it’s worth millions.
That is true and does happen, however there are cases where a POC will exist in a movie/TV series and then a lot of fans will decide based on that alone, its ultimately woke and should be boycotted/review bombed.
@@M_W_L_F True, but nothing is bad *because* it has a diverse cast, it’s just a lot of stuff with terrible writing and directing also has diverse casts, and people who think something is bad because it has a diverse cast only help people the narrative that opposing to bad writing comes from bigotry.
@@venusianblivet9518 Good point
@@M_W_L_F I can't think of a single example of someone being hated for a role solely based on them being a minority. People don't like actors for their attitude, their opinions, their style or simply because they think they're not a good choice for the role. That last point can include ethnicity without it meaning anything racist. I don't think any of us would look positively at a Black Napoleon, regardless of how good the actor.
"Diverse cast" is a scam: including only humans infringes the
rights of the cockroaches. Where are the cockroaches?
And the machines? Why a vacuum cleaner is not a superhero?
And the toaster? Where's the coffee grinder? They also deserve
to beat up Thanos. Say what?! "Not human?!" Now let's see and
label what kind of "ism" that is... They are tenfold more human
than the husks of nazi garbage that are being pushed forward
by those de-evolution cultists.
I love being lectured about being racist by a company who has business dealings with people currently keeping ethnic minorities in concentration camps
*glares at Mulan remake*
My personal favorite is the "A real fan enjoys everything to come out of this franchise" like we're supposed to mindlessly praise everything and not criticize it in hopes of returning it to what we all fell in love with in the first place.
Yeah I watched a video about the Resident Evil 4 remake. All I asked was if it was necessary and what about Code Veronica. This Jesse Collins guy who's description read he loves making Leftists mad. He got mad at me and said how it was stupid to ask and that CD was a garbage game. Then said to another guy that the fan remake looks great. 🙄 But I know he's just a SMALL minority of the fans. I'm on the fence on gate-keeping. But I think people should ignore the attention seekers.
Consume product
@@zionleach3001 To add insult to injury, I had a similar criticism to when Disney and Square Enix revealed Kingdom Hearts 4 a month ago. I literally just asked why they were making such a sudden jump to KH4 all of a sudden after KH3 and the fact that KH3 was quite a disappointment seen among fans and critics (DLC aside). Then I ended up getting hate and flack for my question with annoying shitheads saying “Oh your not a true KH fan!” Or “Your just a KH3 hater and probably a 2FM fanboy!!!” And I get it, people have different perspectives but having people fret and bully you over what you like or even criticisms is just plain wrong. Besides, its only the SMALL minority. People love KH3, I hate it, I love Chain of Memories, nobody else likes it and vice versa.
You have to remember these are people so invested in celebrities they don't even care about the quality of the content they're in. And if they discover their idol thinks differently than they do about a particular subject they suffer a mental breakdown because apparently it's not possible to disagree with somebody on a single point without them being literally Hitler.
@@cloudshines812 Same with Resident Evil. Nemesis remake had HALF the game cut. Resident Evil had to me a fun combat system and cool enemies. But was more action than horror. Although CD is where Resident Evil was going off the rails.
"The toxic fandom is ruining Star Wars!" -Disney
"You have done that yourself!" -Actual Star Wars fans
Honestly I don't even hate Disney I'm just completely over the entire starwars franchise at this point the opposite of love is not hate its apathy
Because, ya know, those longtime fans weren't important to the financial success of said franchise.
@@Boomslayer19 same, I just stopped watching. I honestly think it's pretty cringe that they still make videos about them and try to cling to the franchise. It's dead guys. Time to move on.
Well said, my fellow judas priest fan. JP never called out their fans "toxic" when they released bad albums like Turbo(i kinda like it). "we tried something new that went with the mainstream popularity and our fans absolutely didnt liked it, we wont do that anymore".
Started when they canned the Expanded Universe.
They haven’t stopped digging that hole yet.
Being in a transformers fandom for many years has taught me that:
- some people are never satisfied with anything
- some people are always satisfied and will defend any garbage no matter what
-the brand is not your friend, it's there to take your money
-within the brand and the fandom there are wonderful, creative people that make you continue to love the thing you share
This. The true beauty of Star Wars was never just in the films- it was in the people, the fans, who built this glorious universe together, building upon each other's strengths and covering each other's weaknesses. The level of creativity in this fandom was like nothing else I've seen before... Fast forward to Disney's purchase of Star Wars. Suddenly, the fans are the "worst" part of the franchise, when it was also it's greatest strength as well.
To be fair I don’t see anyone defending the Bayformers films and calling Fans toxic for not liking it
@@zillauniverse7208, a lot of people who like them just defend as fun dumb action movies. Got to respect them for admitting that.
Having been a pokemon fan, its the same.
@@ScotsmanGamer TF 1 and 3 were good my guy
Disney puts more effort into labeling the fans then they do into writing good scripts.
i love how diverse reva’s acting abilities are. either she’s ANGRY or ANGRY, but sometimes she can also be ANGRY.
amazing.
Don't forget BROODING
You people gotta learn that writers and directors are the ones telling actors what to do. It blows my mind I have to point this out, but here we are. The dumbest society in history.
@@radio.graffiti weird take, character just sucks and it’s a waste of a good actress. Would be the same if it was some old white dude. Shit’s just corny as hell
@@radio.graffiti Dude, this BS rhetoric has been dismantled time and time again. Give us good media, we'll watch it. Give us crap, however, and we will s*** all over it.
And she’s totally annoying on purpose. That makes it okay.
"Here, eat this shit sandwich."
"That's... awful. This restaurant was better under previous management."
"Wow, so toxic."
I had this happen to me recently. New owners took over my favorite Thai restaurant. I got chicken that was pretty obviously heated by a microwave. Basically, it has the texture of tofu. I wrote a bad review, and the new owner tracked me down over other social media and attacked me. It was crazy.
And that in a nutshell is what is happening to fans of almost any corporate owned entertainment franchise.
Don't forget how the new/casual fans happily eat the shit sandwich just because it has the franchise name/logo on it and says you aren't a real fan if you don't enjoy it then call you toxic.
Those people are, and I'm not exaggerating this even tho people over use this saying, mindless sheep who will happily take whatever the company gives them just because it happens to be from a franchise they like and believe you gotta like everything they give you. Companies love these people because they don't need to try to make good content anymore since they'll enjoy whatever and hell as a bonus they'll harass any fans who have more than two brain cells and realize what's going on.
Yup. Nailed it.
@@zelithfang2365 Or maybe those people just happen to be easily satisfied, y'know? That's not exactly a bad thing.
There's a difference between a toxic fandom and a passionate fandom
Yeah a passionate fandom would give their criticisms in a non violent way and would express ways to be better a toxic fandom just calls everything dogshit mid and it’s falling off or it’s over like what wouldn’t u want to say things so they can come back and succeed
There's also a fine like between the two, passionate fans can be toxic too, perfect example is the band The Misfits. I think they have one of the worst fan bases in music, go watch any Misfits video and look at the comments it's mostly people arguing over who the better singer was. Even though I personally love the bands music it's got to the point where I don't ever wanna interact with other fans whether it's online or in real life because I know exactly where the conversation will go.
Any fandom that don't consume product and get excited for the next product is toxic to them
Violent? 🤣
As I expressed in another post, I think toxic fans are those who try and use their fandom to justify acting in genuinely cruel, vicious ways that go far beyond mere criticism.
I think a good example of this, of true toxic fandom, is how certain 'Star Wars' fans treated Ahmed Best (The actor who played Jarjar Binks) after 'The Phantom Menace' premiered. Some fans' treatment of him in that period made the current criticism of Ms. Ingram look like fawning adoration in comparison. He was absolutely deluged with hate mail, some of which called him pretty much every racist slur term for black people that have ever been coined (Some of these even came from fellow blacks; Best said that those hurt him the most), and many even contained death threats. Just for him being an actor who played a character in a movie!
It got so bad that Best contemplated suicide for a brief period. I mean, yeah, a lot of people hated Jarjar, but for them to treat the actor who played him (Not even wrote/ created him, just played the part) in such a way was going too far.
I feel like what a lot of these “creative” media groups don’t understand is that they’d likely have a lot less criticism if they made good shows/movies about the characters they clearly want to parade around. Reva, for example, could’ve gotten her own show without the Obi Wan branding and with decent writing, no matter how mediocre it was, it wouldn’t be so heavily criticized.
“Don’t be a racist” - willingly cuts out the black character in a poster
Don't be racist, unless it costs you money in China. It's weird that they will do that for China but not for Western customers. They'll lose billions in the West, but bendover backwards to get money from China.
Bending to the will of china like a bunch of human fucking palm trees
*at the behalf of an "unspecified" foreign government.
Disney: *makes a bad product
Fans: *don't like it
Disney: "Something needs to be done about these toxic people!"
Disney has been making bad products for a decade now, so manchildren who don't like it have only themselves to blame
You make a simple point about a worrying trend in western society.
That customers must accept a product and are not allowed to criticise it. The multi-billion dollar corporation is allowed to tell people what to think and feel. The customer is no longer right and certainly not King.
@@CountZero78 You will eat the bugs, you will sleep in the pods, you will consoom product, you will own nothing, and you will like it.
@@CountZero78”western”? Not liking a product? They don’t care and if they did it’s a world thing.
To be honest Star Wars fandom used to be more toxic in early 2000, when prequels were made
Your ability to summarise how people feel and intelligently lay it out in an understandable fashion is admirable
It's definitely not for Disney to talk about human rights and racism when they are ready to violate all these principles for the sake of the Chinese market🙄🤦♀️
Yep and it's like they forget with internet and social media, informations spread like wildfire so they can't hide that from people in western countries.
It’s a way for a greedy corporation to feel they are doing something good I guess. 🤷
"The fans aren't toxic, they are *passionate* ." - Henry Cavill, defending The Witcher fandom
Henry is just such a great guy, wish I knew him personally.
Henry Cavill is a man we all didn't know we needed in this time.
I wish Disney would take this approach. Outside of the few deranged outliers who attack actors on social media, 99% of people have passionate opinions about an IP they care about. Most brands would kill for fans that care, and Disney wants to piss it all away in favor of fair weather "ooooo colorful lights and character I recognize" fans. It's short term gains for long term loss. SW had cultural staying power because of the quality in storytelling and entertainment value, and that's all been lost for shoddy writing and surface-level references.
sounds like someone who actually took the time to understand the thing he was doing.
To normal people, having an insane degree of passion for one specific work of fiction is unhealthy.
*"Criticizing bad storytelling isn't toxic."*
- The Critical Drinker
*”So I was taking a shit the other day and-“*
- The Critical Drinker
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"Many people react toxically to bad storytelling" seems to cover all the bases for me. Is it not obvious half of all people are idiots (see 2016 election and pandemic)?
"Most people are jerks already, and it's not like giving a jerk a gun and telling him it's okay to kill people suddenly turns that jerk into a hero. -BoJack
@@dangerfly huh?
It is toxic if you are thin skinned, talentless and have made no effort to learn and understand the lore of the universe you are producing the show for. They are spoiled little children who have just been caught underperforming and are blaming every one they can think of rather than take responsibility for their own actions. Atrocious behaviour and they need to be called out on it. Often. Loudly.
"Toxic Fandom" only happens when a company does a bait and switch. They know what the fans want and they advertise whatever they're making as if it caters to what fans want. Then they give them something that has nothing to do with what they advertised instead. If whatever they're doing just sucks, it just gets ignored because nobody cares about it. If Disney made a bad space movie with a no name star that nobody has heard off, nobody would care. It would still flop, but nobody would be commenting on it. When they promise you a movie about Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker or some other established character that people actually want to see and then give you a character nobody cares about instead, that's when fans get mad. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want the increased viewership you get from a popular franchise then you have to actually give the fans something from that franchise. Fans don't care about diversity. They want a good show. It doesn't matter what color the actor is. It doesn't matter what sex the actor is. What does matter is whether the story is good. If diversity IS the story, then it's pretty much guaranteed NOT to be good.
I'm actually scared out of my ever loving wits of what they're about to do to Buck Rogers and flash gordon. I hope this is an irrational fear. The nearly comic accurate flash Gordon 1930s radio serial got me into science fiction, period end of report.
@@thephoenixhasflown Just expect it and don't watch their $hit! It's all part of their demoralization and plan to destroy established culture.
@@Mannwhich the expected part I haven't quite mastered yet the not watching their crap part I've been able to do for quite a while. This buzz lightyear thing hurts because it effectively ended the space ranger craze that's been going on since that nearly comic accurate radio series of flash Gordon on the radio it also seems to have made a gaping hole at least in family and children's science fiction old and new viewership.
if you believe that you are really naive. some people want those. SOME.
@@berilsevvalbekret772 its the truth. Your the naive one
I remember the days when someone was a bully online, we just muted or banned him from our group. Never gave a second thought about them again.
Like Henry Cavill once said: "when it comes to fans, it is a fan's right to have whatever opinion they want to have, and people are going to be upset... I don't necessarily consider that toxic. I just consider that passion."
Exactly, if someone doesn't like your art then let them, it's not your decision whether they like something or not.
You're allowed to hate something but attacking a actor will always be ignorant.
it doesnt justify every action
like sending death/rape threats to actors
review bombing other movie under same prodn house
Because he's a true fan as well
It is a fans right. However if you only like about 10% of an artist’s work are you really a fan?
Disney: Makes a show called "Kenobi"
Fans: So why isn't about Kenobi?
Disney: All the fans are toxic racists!
I would like to think the show is more about Obi Wan and less about Reva which is a subplot. Or at least that is what I keep telling myself. Obi is getting more screen time in general and I like the young Leia actress who is great. Oh, and Obi, snap out of it, and be a great Jedi again. It is in you!
Are you watching a different show? Obi-Wan is the most featured character on the show by a landslide
@@Jamo-pq9qf You mean the dumb guy without the Jedi powers in a midlife crisis? Yeah, you see him a lot, still waiting for Obi-Wan's appearance ;-)
@@froschkenig you’re forgetting that by the time ANH happens that Obi-Wan can barely swing a lightsaber. Vader even taunts him that his powers are weak right before he kills him. This show is literally showing you how Obi-Wan goes from being able to soar through the air slicing people left and right to being old Ben Kenobi.
Also I love how everyone is pissed because Obi-Wan is a grumpy asshole. Dude lost everything he loved and fought for and has been living in a cave for 10 years in the middle of a desert and you’re pissed because he’s not a happy dude? 🤣
Well you’re a bunch of racist fans …
But we love lando and mace windu , we just hate that character
Do NOT get me wrong, i side with Drinker here, in basically everything, but i do wanna mention: Yeah, we kinda do have a lot of -ists on this planet in general, tbf. I mean, even if we ignore the newest video of 'Some More News' or his videos about the Police and all it’s Flaws,
we have a certain Political Party fall into complete Disarray and corwn themselves as having the 'objectively highest Saturation of C-Theorists'.
@@nenmaster5218 No we don't. All ists do is yell at the TV screen from their couch. They are literally powerless and inconsequential. There is ZERO reason to focus on anything they say. This is PURE deflection by Disney to shield themselves from the real criticism of their shit writing/casting choices. Reva sucks because she is a shitty character, portrayed by a shitty actress and is the focus of a show called OBIWAN instead of Obiwan himself.
Racism is dead. It died in the 90s. Wokeness brought it back, but against whites. No one gives a crap about uncle bob yelling racial slurs at his TV screen... except woketards who PROJECT their own racism (against whites) on everyone else.
The nasty people that call any criticism "toxic"" are the most toxic of all-----they acknowledge no fault, and call everyone else names.
And lumping everyone together isn't bigotry when they do it 😉
I call it for what it is: The borderline personality business model😃
Because it couldn't possibly be them that made a shitty movie or TV show. It's gotta be someone else's fault.
"When your product is mediocre, blame the customer". Puts a whole new spin on customer service.
How dare you like intricate art? You shall enjoy this bland product as we've done research that shows this formula is entertaining to the most vast majority of humans. Therefore any criticism must be from a base of people for whom the product was not intended. ERROR: Hate from fan base. ANALYSIS: Fanbase is toxic. Ignore fanbase as their opinions on [thing they love] is irrelevant. Our desire for [human money] outweighs their need for [thing that they love].
Been a dork for nerdy things for over 30 years. Everything I was nostalgic about is getting raped and I'm an asshole for wanting to remember things for the way they were.
Imagine loving your grandma, and wanting to remember her for the way she was when you were young, full of energy, happy, funny and sweet. But then, 30 years after she passed, a company comes back and tries to charge you money to hang out with your grandma... she's back, but now she's an angry black lesbian! It kinda looks like her... but wtf have they done to you, grandma?
Well if a customer mistreat the product lol. But i see beter stuff online then made by the big guys.
'Mediocre'? Don't you mean 'fucking trash'?
I think you just hit the nail on the head - except that this isn't a "new" spin at all. This is an ever-growing trend, and I'm not sure what it was about. I walk into a local grocery store that has "the customer is always right" plastered onto a big rock at the entrance, and while businesses have rarely followed that to the letter that notion was long the bedrock concept in American business-to-consumer interactions. Not anymore. I work for a small family business that still engages in this philosophy, and even as we at times bend over to meet excessive customer desires those we buy from often try to gaslight our legit issues with them when such issues pop up. They always try to make it something on our end - something everyone in the company experiences as individual customers too. We swap stories, as our own interactions as customer service reps for our own company has raised our radars for how it goes with others, and anecdotally we seem to note more and more examples of this happening.
Let this system die and rebuild anew even better than before
"We are no racists." Said a franchise owned by disney, a franchise that conviently cut out Finn out of mostly all promotional material in countries where racism against black people is still a common trend (china for example).... as much as i enjoy living in the west and all its benefits but jesus we are full of hypocrits
Disney is the most racist corporation possible
@@teacherfromthejungles6671 dont know about the most racist but definetly up there in terms of being immoral.
Don’t forget Disney Hired a black guy to play JarJar binks debacle Disney never credited the actor can’t even remember his name Disney hypocrites.
You nailed it! To make it even more pitiful, Boyega was complaining about racism here. He should take his complaints to China Communist Party instead.
Progressives and wokers should move to China or North Korea to experience *social justice and equality* they want so much here...
Exactly what I told my co-worker when she brought this crap to work, she didn't have much to say about that.
Disney: "We resist"
Disney on Mulan: 'Yea we used slave wranglers during the production, oh uhm, i meant freedom challenged helpers'
THIS. Everyone in Hollowood needs to see this video. Whilst I'm not into fandom culture, it should be obvious that the actual assholes who harass actors don't represent a majority of a fan base, and are just people who need to seek professional help and that they should be seperated from people with legit criticism or the entire group. Someone saying that a character was awfully written or their acting was stiff DOES NOT automatically mean that that person is a racist, sexist, homophobe or whatever. If anything all these actions that these SJW higher-ups do will not only just make them lose more fans, but probably also create more racism, sexism, homophobia etc just to spite them.
Anyone who chooses to be a racist and homophobe to “spite” a multi billion dollar corporation that will never know they exist is Avery specific kind of idiot. If you want to be a racist and calling Moses Ingram a monkey, just do it. Don’t wait for Lucas film to give you permission.
“Toxic fandom” used to apply to the fandom members attacking each other or having really shitty behavior in-group. Now the term has been co-opted to be used by corporations AGAINST the fans.
Hello I'm one of the people that people decided decides things and I've decided that we should take these people and put them in a room so that they'll learn their lesson by being surrounded by equally unstable and possibly hostile persons.
Most these “toxic” fandoms are just the result of the toxic people being the loudest, which leads to the whole fandom being labeled as toxic, which genuinely sucks because it makes the whole franchise look worse off because of it.
Exactly.
They do what they gotta do to stay in biz with certain importer(s) of 'our culture'. [divide and conquer]
@@projectphantom3135 It’s the same thing with the Woke Twitter crowd. This nonsense has been grabbed by corporations because a few loud people (I think it’s only 10% of the population that actually aggressively, loudly, pushes for The Message) started all this on Twitter. Having been in those circles of people, let me tell you THOSE spaces that claim to promote these values are some of the most unbelievably toxic spaces I have ever been in and why I left. The toxicity they commit against their own group members is astonishing. They can only function when they have an external enemy which unites them. In that context, this all makes sense.
As Henry Cavill said, the fans aren’t toxic, their passionate.
Nobody called Henry Cavill the n word. Maybe if he had “fans” that insulted his heritage or ancestry he would say his fans were toxic.
No one called Moses the n word either fuck off with that noise and ignore the trolls
@@ChevyChase301
Buck up, buttercup. It’s just a word.
@@ChevyChase301 Yeah because a few people allows you to say everyone who dislikes the garbage show is bad. Racists would call her that anyway its what they do that is the definition of racism. Its such an intellectually dishonest argument a racist being racist is and unexpected reaction? Their opinion is irrelevant because its biased on race. Everybody else's opinion on the other hand is totally valid.
That's because you're a cash cow
I'm cool with fandoms being labeled toxic because once that label hits, I know I am no longer a fan.
Generalizing has got to be one of our biggest problems as humans. You can’t do anything without being lumped in with one group or another.
This is like breaking into someone's house and calling them hateful for not liking you stealing and ruining their shit.
😂😂
more like not offering them a hot beverage or help them load your stuff into their van 😅
This is why people don't like "SJW's" and "woke" people in general. They're politically motivated with nice-sounding causes on the surface, but underneath they're just a thug in some kind of mob who is going to go after you if you call them out on their shit.
this like stealing someones vap parts an not have the courtesy of cleaning them xdd. cmon how come every body mised that one
I mean, that practically already happens at this point, lol.
I appreciated Henry Cavill when asked about "Toxic fandom" he completely went the opposite direction and said that they were passionate fans and supported them
Problem with Man of Steel was bad writing from Zack Snyder
What a fine man.
Cavill gets it. Passionate fans will support and promote your product/work, but they will also turn on you if you give them garbage. Recently George R.R. Martin complained about fans going from loving something to hating it. It’s exactly what happens when you have something as huge as GoT turn to shit.
@@Willie_Pete_Was_Here Hate is often warranted. Online harassment isn’t, but that should be separated from just fans being passionate about the media they consume and support.
@Spacetrooper He race swapped Perry White! Perry is white in the comics
The criticism is targeted towards the writing of Revas character. It has nothing to do with her ethnicity or colour of her skin, her character feels forced and badly written.
Paint her purple and recast her with a half Chinese/Scottish actor and it wouldn't make a difference. The character sucks.
Bring back Jar Jar.
Soooo none of the racism she got was real? They’re clearly not lumping people in with legit criticisms with actual racists. Seems like you all are doing that to yourselves but hey
You can only tell even the most well-intentioned people that you hate them for so long before they start believing you.
"Toxic" really means people criticizing your abysmal creative decisions.
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Have you ever maybe thought, that the fans themselves could be cancerous themselves sometimes? I have no problem with calling out, say an episode of a show if I’m a fan of it and I’m passionate about the series, but I’m pretty sure “toxic” is meant for the fans who try to cancel a creator of a show because they messed up an episode of SpongeBob (Mr. Enter style), or if the fans are a bunch of zoophiles and disgusting (MLP). The most obvious examples of course but you get my point.
Calling someone toxic or a hater is a common thing when it comes to criticize shitty stuff. It means that people behing those trash have nothing in their defense, basically Raging Karen Mode. Spitting on people like that is a waste of fluid.
Not disagreeing with you - except "creative decisions" are not the same as "ideological possession", which is what is driving their decision making.
@@XX_MelobraacRedux Drinker already covered that.
I don’t dislike Reva for her race, I dislike her for the writing of her character and how Reva’s plot takes time away from Ewan and Haden’s dynamic.
They should have explained more of her backstory to help the audience understand. Instead we are halfway through the season with no explanation of why she is so evil. She is also taking to much screen time from the main character.
Yeah, I can hate Reva but still love Moses Ingram. Those are completely different things.
The former is a bad story, the latter is an actress contracted to tell a bad story.
There's nothing wrong with her writing or acting... You're just upset that she is a powerful black woman in the show and you feel that is forced "wokeness". That's honestly what this boils down to.
@@sockpastarock7082 Are you memeing or are you being serious?
@@kodyshaw6991 are you seriously going to say that you don't feel this actress has been artificially inserted because of "wokeness"? That's what upsets you.
“Growing up it all seems so one-sided. Opinions are provided, the future pre-decided, detached and subdivided in the mass-production zone. Nowhere is the dreamer or the misfit so alone.”
Most of you probably won't even remember this, but when Episode I: The Phantom Menace came out there was a lot of critical backlash on Jake Llyod's performance as young Anakin Skywalker. So much so, that Ron Howard actually came forward and defended him in the media. Ron's point was, "he's just a kid, back off." - My point is, if this happened today, they wouldn't step up to the plate to protect a "white boy" - they would have simply ignored it...or would have just cast a young black boy to begin with. It wasn't toxic fandom then, and it isn't toxic fandom now.
A child that young has insanely limited acting potential, it needs very smart writing and directing to get the best out of them. Expecting them to play such an important character and have them have so many speaking parts in the movie was a terrible idea. It is however a product of it's time, child actors were really pushed in the 1990s because of success of films like Home Alone, Sixth Sense, Matilda etc, it's a relic when everything was being pushed as a kids product.
@@cattysplat Exactly Ron Howard's point. I only paraphrased it for the sake of time.
And considering they fired a Latina actor for very little its very hypocritical.
I definitely agree with you on this, these racist, sickos wouldn't ever WANT to defend a white boy.
@@Thedangerfiles560 when was this and was it Disney
It's honestly sad it became this bad
I'm gay
@@joan3338 so what?
Hi Ben
@@PBK1977 I'm vegan
@@joan3338 And?
Fans: "You were supposed to save star wars, not shroud it in wokeness!"
Disney: "I hate you!!!"
I think the feeling is mutual. they hate us and we hate them
All their anger and hate is turning them to the woke side of the force...
"YOU WERE THE CHOSEN FRANCHISE"
"Have you ever heard of the story of Walt Disney the unwise?"
Where "wokeness" is being blind to the rainbow of existing/previous characters in the franchise and carping on about how their new cast is "a first" for things which were done decades before, in the self-same franchise
Absolutely loved your closing lines Drinker!
These companies forget that they'd be nothing without the fans. They are just bloody ungrateful. We made them as big as they are. Fans are the reason why they can even make any money from all their productions. They should never think they are above criticism. Calling fans "toxic" for giving their opinions/
criticism on any form of art is the same as biting the hand that feeds them.
@max "Some" will still watch. There's movie/series franchises that I've dropped cause they don't value their supporters.
@max well you have to watch it to whine about it, how are you gonna know if its worth complaining or not if you didn't see it
Harassment, death threats, attacking, bullying, body shaming, making fun of celebrities, saying “woke” many times. Yeah, I’m pretty this is what “fans” opinions are.
@@asparagus2578 In this instance. They called fans toxic cause fans gave them a lot of criticism. Not because of those reasons. If that were the case, then calling their fandom toxic would've been warranted.
"We resist."
Like that means anything from a company that panders to Beijing, cares nothing for the artistic and internal integrity of their IPs, abuses and exploits its young talent, cuts ties with a DV victim out of cowadice, and only uses the "Resistance" label to deny Lucas further royalties and keep the justification for rebellion era merchandise. If they cared, they would have advanced the story instead of essentially undoing everything in the OT and rendering it retroactively pointless and stupid.
Using the language of social change for one of the most backwards looking franchises in history always comes off as so hollow
Cue Owen Lars meme: "Like you resisted the Uyghur camps?"
More like "We consume product and get excited for next products."
What's even laughable is that those movies that licks Beijing's ass failed in Box Office even in China (look at Pacific Rim 2).
Why the fuck should US companies support their dictatorial political rival?!
I'm not a toxic fan, I'm an ex-fan. As someone once said, "Let the past die."
I acompany You in your grief brother
Nailed it, was holding onto Prime for the Rings show, finally cancelled today after yet another trailer spreading "the message".
i disagree, let the past live and this modern trash die, the past is usually the best version of the franchises we like.
@@TheAuron32 Hard agree.
@max not a chance, im old enough to remember the original trilogy
All I can say, Critical Drinker, is Amen. You are 100% right. It makes me want to just quit movies and streaming altogether. So tired of garbage.
Narcissism is a disorder, but not to them. To them it's a sound strategy.
I've been saying this from the beginning: Disney owning Stars Wars makes NO SENSE. It makes about as much sense to me as Nickelodeon producing psychological horror.
It stumps me that anyone ever thought that buying Star Wars had even the slightest chance of going remotely well.
They'll own Judge Dredd and Halloween next, i swear
I think the idea was Disney wanted to monopolize childhood, and one of the biggest IPs far all children is Star Wars, so they bought the franchise.
Disney and Lucasfilm have been hand in hand since the 80s though. You've been able to find Star Wars stuff at Disney World for decades, for example. The buyout was obvious, Disney practically already owned Lucasarts and Light and Magic.
The fans got to George Lucas with all the prequel hate.... and he figured fuck it
@@Acolyte47 Smart move from George. He already told the story he wanted to tell, got $4 billion and the prequels now look like absolute masterpieces in comparison to what disney is shittin out.
The same thing can be said for MARVEL which... after being owned by DISNEY... keeps losing the very elements which made it exciting & interesting to the REAL FANS just to please the wrong crowd 🙄🤦♂️😒 !
- Getting away with bad writing might be difficult.
- Actually it's super easy, barely an inconvinience.
- Oh really?
- Yeah, we just label them as toxic so they are the bad people for not liking our stuff.
- Oh dehumanizing valid critics is TIGHT!
I can't tell you how many times my husband and I quote Ryan George on various things. Wowowowowowowow ;)
@@horizonzeromom ..... wow.
Wow, wow, wow!
Disney just called. They want you to get off their back.
I wish I could like this more than once
The boat I badly made didn’t sink because of ME, it was all those toxic passengers that were stupid enough to climb aboard!
(*slow clap) Well said, Drinker, well said! Because let's be honest, if we don't call this shit out, most won't realize crafting the narrative is a real thing. Thanks for doing so!
Imagine singing badly in front of a crowd and calling the audience "toxic" for not liking it...
Imagine calling a black singer a n****r for singing badly. If the word »toxic« triggers you so much, don't be racist. And if you choose to be racist, be more thick-skinned and not a whiny little snowflake.
Imagine singing alright in front of a crowd, some people liked it and other didn't, but then quite a few people in the crowd start yelling racial slurs at you. It would be so crazy to call those people toxic right?
@@milkboy9339 Yes Milkboy it would. Calling the few people yelling racist slurs toxic would be fine, but accusing the *entire* crowd of being toxic based on the actions of just a few idiots is absolutely going a step too far.
@@PunksloveTrumpys Then you agree with me! *Disney isn't calling the entire crowd racist.* All they said was if you are being racist, please stop. That's not referring to everyone criticizing the show, just those who are throwing racial slurs at Moses Ingram.
@@milkboy9339 Please back your arguing with facts. Can you quote Disney discriminating between interesting criticisms and non interesting (like, racist or whatever) criticisms of it's own works ?
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I'm talking about ACTUAL criticism here, like telling (even in a polite way) about things which could at least be improved in the actual works.
Disney finally figured it out, just make terrible characters racially diverse so all criticism can be blamed on “RACISM”
Lets be honest we all enjoyed this video by having this:
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Not all criticism is racism.
Some of it is sexism.
it started with Force Awakens ... they already had figured it out
Races are scientifically real by the way
Don't forget the pedophiles.
I miss the days where the mainstream didn't like sci-fi and even though we had to wait for media it was quality stories.
Thank you sir for this video, and for everyone here who left a like or comment. You all helped me realize I'm not alone in this world.
Toxicity nowadays is when you demand that the stories and characters are coherent, respectful and well written.
HOW DARE YOU, BIGOT?
more like any kind of criticism toward the left and their media is considered "hate speech" and "uneducated/toxic opinion" now. we all HAVE to bow down to their visions and directions. a demand for a well-crafted content and be called out for it is the leeeeeaaaast of the bs we have to put up with.
Tiago, you are 1000% correct
I honestly don’t understand the hate for the mcu I really like it
If you have legitimate criticisms of her character, _that's fine._ Star wars isn't talking to you. They were talking to the people calling her a "darkie" and a "diversity hire" and just complaining that an inquisitor was black. *That is not legitimate criticism.*
As soon as this started I pondered.”Does Disney keep putting “minorities” into these shitty roles to deflect from the shitty writing”? Sure seems like a pattern at this point.
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The answer is a solid "kinda". For females, I'm convinced that leftist writers (any writer Disney employs) can't write women in any fashion except for the same insufferable, bitchy "strong wamen" character that's in literally everything now. Some of those women are going to be considered "minorities" in the United States almost by chance. So any female character with any screentime has almost no hope of not being terrible.
It's less common for male "minority" characters. Nobody really actively hates Shang Chi (his movie's just kinda terrible), and nobody disliked Falcon before his TV show turned him into a preachy child.
Was Rey a good role with good writing?
@@Paul-bs5wl You take that back Shang Chi wasn't amazing but it was damn fun watch. Even my buddy who typically just dislikes anything marvel had fun with it.
@@xShadowChrisx I think you should read it again.
Nice work. I appreciate your articulate malevolence.
If having taste and wanting new stories makes me toxic call me avenger.
A “toxic fan” to them is anyone who dares to express any criticism and isn’t a mindless consumer.
No, a toxic fan is someone who hates everything the franchise puts out but still buys and watches all of it so that it never gets better, and then complains that it's bad so that no one who actually enjoys the new stuff can have any fun.
@@mouthshovel perfect explanation of the Star Wars fandom
@@CantRead1 No it isn't.
CONSOOM
Disney wants mindless consumers. They have no objections to that.
I’ve never considered myself a “fan” of anything for exactly this reason. I enjoy things and when they become shit I walk away without remorse.
Lets be honest we all enjoyed this video by having this:
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based
Exactly
What a stoic, truly the human with no emotion. Do you want a medal along with your inflated ego?
Or you know you can still just enjoy something for while it lasted. Love the original trilogy or something like that and realize that can be the end of it. Set expectations low but be willing to be surprised.
Wow, this was REALLY well scripted. You really know your subject matter. Great job, thanks!
Well said Drinker! To add a little to what you just said, and this has happened to myself. Apathy is the end result from constant bashing on the fans. Some of us GenXers have simply turned away from Disney's Star Wars. We have our DVD's and Blurays. We have our Expanded Universe novels. We're content to enjoy Lucas's Star Wars and give no "energy" to Disney. No subscriptions to Disney +, no visits to their theme parks, no purchasing of any sort that contributes to what they're pushing as Star Wars. Apathy doesn't cost a thing, and when the true toxic people are alone in their echo chamber with no one to argue with. Will the company then make money? I doubt it. 4% is 4%. The End.
The only toxic fandom I know is the Steven universe one. They literally told someone to kill themselves for drawing a character skinny. So much for listening and understanding to others like the show tells you to do.
Iam in your walls botsruclips.net/video/RHGifpnyG_g/видео.html
You haven't seen sh1t about fandom then.
Wew, the bots are out in full force today aren't they?
But, Steven Universe is hardly the only toxic fandom, just the most egregious, every Tumblr fandom is incredibly toxic.
Don’t forget them bullying a kid with cancer
I still have scars from once being in the Legend of Korra fandom - talk about a toxic waste dump
I miss when minorities were just individuals, rather than antagonistic representatives.
Geordi was just a likeable, highly competent, Star Fleet officer, with a cool visor that turned his blindness into a superpower.
Not a weapon to beat 'bigots' with.
Yeah man and in his spare time he helped me learn to read!! Love LeVar Burton
Minorities are a tool, considered as "useful idiots" by the White Marxists.
And it was never a plot point that he was black any more than Picard was bald. As a kid growing up watching TNG, it never occurred to me to note that Geordi was black - he was chief engineer. He was Data's friend. He wasn't Data's black friend.
And this matters because if racism is still a problem when humanity is part of a galactic multispecies civilization, even in a fictional setting, then all the hope Star Trek brought, all the ideals of civility, rationalism, compassion, communication, understanding, and leaving violence as an absolute last resort, it's all for nothing. It means we learned nothing.
What ever happened to Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra?
These people pretend that such history never happened.
but if you don't see and notice the characteristics of the minority he belongs to then that's your unconscious bias showing, how can you not notice he was black and deny his history, you evil closet racist! And just being chief engineer and not Fleet Admiral or Boss Of The Whole Federation just highlights the "subservient POC" theme yet again, so his position isn't a sign of inclusivity it's slavery all over again!
Im sick of these companies ruining what we love. :(
This theme is further applicable to countless aspects of today’s society.
Its scary and everyone needs to understand it
I know this is going to sound extreme, and I’m most likely just pissing in the wind here, but probably the best way to deal with these companies is scorched earth. Don’t watch anything they put out. Don’t buy anything they produce. Have absolutely nothing to do with them. Let the people they’re pandering to carry them for a while, and let the companies see how far that gets them. (Spoiler alert: not very.)
Just my 2¢
I’ve been doing this implicitly since all Disney stuff is trash or mlmd to make you watch every single marvel product
This is not extreme. It's literally the way to beat them and to end this madness but so many of our like minded brothers are still addicted to the media. Start buying used physical media for your entertainment. They can't take that away from you
Or just watch em on pirate sites
I agree with this strategy in theory. I think Disney is too big to fail sadly. they will continue to do what they want, when they want and how they want and, also sadly, continue to hoard dollar bills like the dragon Smaug hoards treasure.
@@dispatch-indirect9206 Surely your approach of "supporting creators you love" is more effective if you also don't feed the monster your money. A total boycott is part of that strategy. It's not like you giving Disney your money as a conservative is going to make them be any less insufferably woke or terrible at writing. Just don't do it. Don't justify paying someone to abuse something you once loved.
Step 1: Find established, well beloved franchise with a built in audience
Step 2: Take advantage of the good will of the fans to gain a foothold
Step 3: Hijack the franchise and subvert it for your own ideological ends
Step 4: Goad the fans into attacking you, then call them toxic for daring to say no
Step 5: Go broke
Step 6: Repeat
This is what the business raiders did in the 80s. The bought up companies with junk bonds. Broke them up into pieces and then sold off the parts while firing employees. Nothing was left but a carcass and fat lions.
Disney be like:
@@187onaPigeon OY VEY!
Those freaking bots ffs
i think the "ideological ends" is probably a stretch. If you make a big franchise show that doesn't have a diverse cast is going to be crucified no matter the subject material.
Fantastic analysis. Thank you sir.
Meanwhile, Paramount actually *RESPECTS* the Sonic fanbase after the backlash that is the original ugly Sonic design by changing it.
I have a theory about that. Just hear me out!
They deliberately made an atrocious Sonic model and put it into a trailer. Here's why:
PR team's plan was to create a huge ass backlash for their Sonic movie so it would pop in every hole as a news article. Then they put out normal trailer with a good model so it would pop up everywhere AGAIN and praise CGI team and Director for re-doing it in addition to tell how "The Internet" managed to correct something by whining about it.
In the end Paramount won. They had a huge ass social media campaign to hype up their movie without actually paying for the PR campaign. The movie was a 'so so' (for a Sonic fan since 1996). But it undeniably had higher box office revenue opposed to if they actually did the right model straight off the beginning.
It is a social media century. The more your product pops out on the social media, the better your business will do.
@@imetators Cool theory but no. It wasn't some publicity stunt or something. There were actual toys for the film that were made *before* the redesign happened that were released after the movie. If they really had the good design the whole time then they definitely would have used it far earlier.
Every single time I've tried to make this argument I've felt like just a spark attempting to illuminate a massive darkness. Wish I could give this one a 1000 likes, Drinker; ya nailed it.
yeah I've made this argument myself in regards to Netflix's "adaptation" of The Witcher, to the point I had a few people call me a troll, and another comparing me to "a blind man who walks into a ditch, even though he knows its there"
But in truth, I'm just calling out the writers for their outright laziness, and sacrificing the series on the "altar of diversity/representation" hell at one point I even said the show was made to satisfy the SJW idiots who complained about a "lack of diversity" in the games
Seriously. We need this to get to 2M+ views. Call this shit out that Disney keeps pulling
Don't worry. 999 other liked it within moments so there's your 1000 among many.
The bad thing about these companies attacking "toxic fandoms" is that they actually miss the REAL toxic fandoms out there or are in support of them.
You are not alone the studios are busting their ass to try to cover up dropping ticket sales & numbers of customers dropping their shiite show services look at netflix.
How to avoid criticism when you make bad shows/writing:
- Get a diverse actor/actress as cheap shield
- Labeling the “toxic fans” racist, sexist, etc. when they’re bringing up valid criticism
- Profit
- Move on, and continue ruining other legacy/fan favorite characters
It’s official, Star Wars is dead. Attacking the fans only seal it’s grave. I’m just coping with the Fallen Order sequel and animated shows including Visions. I have high hopes for Tolkien fans to stand their ground
I guess Star Wars fans right now are going to *High Ground* like Obi-Wan did in episode 3.
Not dead. Mandalorian is keeping it somewhat alive.
@@eternalbeing3339 Mandalorian is garbage as well. filled with fanservice without substance.
Star wars stopped being good after empire strikes back.
I was blocked from many Tolkien content channels here on youtube, but I stand firm:
You can only be a fan of Tolkien if you only read/look or appreciate HIS art. That includes everything while Christopher and Priscilla were still alive. NOTHING ELSE.
In this I reluctantly include the first LotR trilogy, for at least it was done in love and they are objectively good movies, even if not faithful.
#boycottamazon 💪🏻
Remember the days when movie makers strived to wow their audiences? They'd sit nervously during premieres of their movies biting their nails waiting to see and hear their audience's reactions to their work. Sometimes they'd get it wrong and sometimes they would nail it, but after each project they would go back to the drawing board and try to better their work. Their entire reason for making movies was geared around their audience's reactions. Nowadays audiences are accused of having the wrong reactions to so called 'woke' movies. Is their anything that 'wokeism' doesn't turn to shit?
I remember, that Kubrick gave a shit about what "audiences" thought about his films, and nowadays he is considered the best. He did what he wanted to do, and not drawing and plotting, that what established tastes would like.
When they say toxic fandom = shit movie excuse.
The sheer tone deaf irony of Disney, the giant evil media empire, saying "we resist". Who are you resisting? Some nobodys on Twitter? That's so brave of you
1000% THIS
They resist responsibility.
If we lived in the Star Wars universe, Disney would be the damn Empire.
The oppressor loves to pretend they are the oppressed, because admitting what they are doesn't make for a compelling narrative that will put people on your side.
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Fan baiting is the only way to draw the crowd they are looking for in
The line between loyalty and toxicity has been obscured thanks to incompetent and fragile in cinematography hiding under "diversity" shroud
Star wars : don't be racist
Also star wars: removes black characters to please the Chinese
💀 Hippocrit
Not enough people talk about how racist the Chinese are. Especially towards the black community
Hypocrite * 😁
Hilarious. Black lives matter more than anything in the modern mainstream narrative... unless of course it's in anyway inconvenient for the Chinese Communist Party. Pretty much sums it up
I wished Disney could realize we don't want their woke diversity BS either and cater to us as well. This nonstop promoting of non-whites, women, and homosexuals as some kind of super people that rise above everyone is both laughable and obnoxious at the same time. Disney treats IQ and physical strength like they're non-existent and impossible to quantify.
The bad thing about these companies attacking "toxic fandoms" is that they actually miss the REAL toxic fandoms out there or are in support of them.
Its funny how leftists have the most toxic fandoms like the steven universe or undertale fandoms are majorly leftist and the most toxic.
What are you talking about? They ARE attacking the actual toxic people.
At no stage have they called anyone toxic who isn't toxic.
@@TopTwom they like playing victim... the thing they love to criticize the other side for...
@@bush2117 You're not wrong. But people are acting like Disney are slapping labels like "toxic" or "racist" on THEM when they just aren't
The bad thing is people pretending that their fandom isn't toxic. There are people who legit believe the SW fandom isnt. Completely ignoring the shit the fandom has done over the years.
How many people out there DREAM of getting the opportunity to write/direct/do anything for a big time series like Star Wars or Star Trek?
Imagine getting handed that opportunity and then using that platform to spite people you don’t agree with…instead of pouring all your effort into creating the best possible work you can…it’s disgraceful. Shameful.
Wish i could double like this one. Well said sir!
There’s: “We pressure other members of our fandom into suicide if they don’t agree with the general idea.”
And: “You didn’t even try to write anything good, you’re just pandering to mask the lack of an artistic direction.” Type of toxic fandoms.
In other news there's a anime reboot coming that probably won't such as recent western entertainment.
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A good example is the MHA fandom
The bad thing about these companies attacking "toxic fandoms" is that they actually miss the REAL toxic fandoms out there or are in support of them.
Dead on lol
@@ellugerdelacruz2555 they don’t just miss the actual toxic fandoms, they openly defend them.
Bruh, I've had more death threats than Moses Ingram just for shitposting memes on twitter. And I'm not even famous, the difference is that I don't make a big deal out of it and pretend that those people represent everyone else.
Well, no one should get death threats regardless. People who post death threats are insane little trolls.
Perfectly put 🤔👍
Hollywood + Modern Comic-Industry is constantly
Roasted by RUclipsr Terrible-Writing-Advice. I have no doubt they dont now that but the real question for me is: Does HE know it?
"Toxic fandom" = disobedient customers.
"Entitled" = has preferences & doesn't tolerate being gaslighted.
Toxic Fandom = Racist, Hateful people that think that just because the show isn’t to their liking they are justified in targeted relentless attacks against the actors… this shit has been going on since the prequels.
Maybe we just want to avoid politics in our movie
Disney is another example of Amy and her husband from Amy's Baking Company, but after all these years, Amy listened to herself and her critics and simply stuck to promote just baking in her business. Disney has yet to listen.
@@nathanbrown7906 where in Kenobi we're there any politics?
@@nathanbrown7906 star wars always had politics, the entire prequels was politics
The Toxic fandom principle is an invention of the participation trophy generation.
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Didn't we raise the kids that received the participation trophies? Maybe we're the spoiled babies that created the monster.
Woke bs.....the movie industry is just riddled with it ...
You know, that level of stupid has to be dangerous. First off, the trophy generation, if there is one, was created by the generation beforehand so go blame them. Second, you can have a toxic fandom. You're seeing it right now by everyone who is complaining about Obi-Wan because... hm... reasons? I mean you can sit there and pretend that Star Wars has always been the go-to for top-notch writing, compelling characters, detailed storytelling, and no plot holes whatsoever and if you believe that I've got a couple of bridges I'd like to see you.
@@tremendousslouch883 nah, you're just crazy from the heat.
Damn! You're good! Exactly what it is! Exactly!
I think this era of modern movies made me hate franchises. All of my favorite Franchises were written off.
One thing we should do is resist the temptation to "give it a chance" even ironically. Every click generates funds. If the marketing indicates that the show will be woke we need to starve it out and boycott.
Morbius is a prime example of this - the movie bombed so hard in theaters that it got memed to hell and back, which Sony (edit: not Disney, my bad) mistook as genuine interest so they put it back into theaters only for it to bomb a second time.
@@Dargonhuman God, they actually thought people liked it? All the mockery made them think people liked it?
@@thefairybug40 they probably only look at the charts, not the content therein
pretty much my approach. I have my morbid curiosity but I'll be damned if I give Disney a dime for their shit product.
@@Dargonhuman minor correction: disney had no hand in the making of Morbius, that was all sony.
Disney: "Why are Star Wars fans so toxic and racist!?"
99% of fans: "I didn't say anything!"
1% of Star Wars fans are toxic and racist.
The other 99% are merely pathetic (and often toxic and racist when hiding behind a screen)
so banish the only 1% out of the fandom in order to be in incognito mode
@@andreafraustoz banish from what ? Existence ? We aren't an organisation, we can't take their "Geek card". And everybody is entilted to their own opinion. Even if it's bad and hurt your feelings.
Disney: "Good good, let the hate flow through you"
@@indrickboreale7381 my Jedi training prevents me from feeling emotions, go do it yourself Mickey Mouse
1:01 - All we wanted from a series called Obi Wan was a good Obi Wan's story, not Reva's story. They make the main character into a secondary one and give us story of Reva, Scarlet Scarab, Kate Bishop, Yennefer and Ciri... I am scared to watch the never seasons of The Punisher because Frank might take a second seat in his own show.
Super review man
Imagine travelling back in time, and trying to explain a Star Wars fan from the 80's what the franchise will be about it in 2022.
It would be easier to find the means to time travel than explaining someone from the 80s how bad things are going to be.
On a side note...wtf is Leah even doing in this show? It's obvious in A New Hope she never met Obi Wan. It's these things that make the new star wars and trek just shit
@@coreyledin-bristol7068 Yep. Continuity and in-world rules/logic get thrown out the window so they can ham-fist whatever woke shit they want. And the truth is they're all just bad writers. Woke shit can be injected into any ip without destroying it's basis, but they never could write anything good. Likewise, you can create a new, interesting character and make them amazing and badass without reducing the capabilities of existing characters. These are just people who can't write, and because we live in a world where woke talking points devoid of any substance passes for content these days, they're continually sought out and hired.
I bet you $200 they’d say “Damn, that’s pretty cool!”
@@piercetaliaferro5393 The sequel trilogy undid everything the heroes worked for, and butchered Luke's character. This Kenobi series is doing the same to Kenobi. I doubt fans of the franchise who are huge fans of specific characters in the franchise would be happy with that. And I mean... we see that now.
The fan base isn’t toxic, but we are in a toxic relationship with the studio. They are ideologues who actually hate a large majority of the fan base, so they passive aggressively insert storylines and characters that they know will be problematic for that portion of the population. I believe it is more important to them that they stick it to that group of the fan base than writing a good show. They seethe with resentment and that resentment is evident throughout the writing of these shows.
When you care more about the story than the owners of the story, it's time to let it go and enjoy movies 4-6 and 1-3. You can safely ignore anything else.
For real, the Marxists in charge hate the fans. There is no other excuse. They are gaslighting us, and the only way to deal with a toxic relationship is to leave.
Oh yeah, and make better things than they can dream of. Fan works are the way we win. Pirating is the way we win. Copyright law is made so corporations can steal the stories, and we win by taking back ownership.
@@teekay_1 Until they decide they will remake the originals in their style for "modern audiences" and begin to fill up fan discussions with all the "nufans" who hate the old "toxic fandom". This strategy of appeasement does not work against ideologues. They are there to remove and replace you and will just be all the happier to do it if you don't resist.
Do you legit believe that the SW fanbase isn't toxic? Please tell me this is a joke.
@@holy8782 I believe there is atoxic relationship but it is 99% to studio. I also believe a pretty reliable way to spot someone who is Toxic is the one using the word to shut down critique