Why Modern Movies Suck - The Myth Of The "Modern Audience"
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- Опубликовано: 2 ноя 2022
- It seems like everything these days has been "updated for a modern audience." But what exactly does it mean? Who is this "modern audience" that Hollywood is so desperate to cater to? Join me as I do my best to solve this perplexing mystery.
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Imagine replacing characters because of the color of their skin and it not being considered racist.
Jesus joined the chat
Also changing character [se**al orientation]/[gender identity] from original in source to "modern audience standard"...
Here, in Russia we call this "sjw agenda". Really feels like you see this one almost everywhere nowadays. And in addition most of times film itself is not interesting as well.
Stopped watching newer movies and cartoons about 10 years ago.
Imagine knowingly ignoring today's definition of racism bc it doesn't fit your narrative. You can have prejudice against white ppl but you can't be really racist against them.
@@doosin8696 back then it was done out of necissity since they didn´t have many actors of clor in Hollywood.
@@doosin8696 Do you know what Jesus actually looked like? Can anyone be sure? If I had to guess, I'd say that you don't even have any idea of what the ethnic and cultural make up of the region where Jesus supposedly originates from was like, bearing in mind that Arabic people came to the region much later.
Hollywood:- remakes old movie for cash grab by saying its for the "modern audience"
The audience:- Rewatches the original.
That’s because the originals are always good
Edit: okay maybe one exception would be the Star Wars prequels but that’s a totally different story
Example = point break, remake was garbage!!
Hollywood: yea! We got fresh money from old movies.
Unfortunately some of those Disney live action remakes made a billion each
@@jaredsmith112 Some, like the first ones, but i believe i can say that's not the case with the newer ones.
As a Colombian, I don’t understand the need to cast Rachel Zegler as Snow White, I don’t want “diversity” just because, I want an accurate and entertaining film that doesn’t race swap a classic character.
An accurate film about.... Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs? Give me a break.
I think he means accurate to the German fable. I don't agree totally with that either. Just make a good film. Change it do whatever, just make it good and it's fine. But it seems clear there's no creativity going on. Like if Snow White was black and the movie was good then we wouldn't care. It's just when people start saying this movie is about diversity instead of saying this movie is good, then it's probably not gonna be good. Actually they lost an opportunity to do Snow Black. Directed by Spike Lee. That would be fun at least. Set in 80's Baltimore. "Mirror mirror on the wall who's the flyest of them all". The huntsman is Denzel. The Dwarves are a neighborhood basketball team. The Queen is that crazy super mayor. And the Prince is Prince Harry.@@jenniek8391
EXACTLY!
They're incapable of making anything new or unique that is actually good. Their "directives" kill all form of free and creative thinking. So they must attach to a beloved classic like a leech and subvert it to their ends to get people to look at it and be influenced by it....only for people to reject it anyway cause you can't change human nature, for better or for worse.
What does being Colombian have anything to do with this? You are just playing into the woke hand
“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.”
Amen
That's simply because evil destroys everything. Corrupting an existing IP is just a subtle form of destruction.
"Modern audience" "Diverse casting" and "subverting expectations" are 3 movie killers.
It's the "Triangle of Death" for movies nowadays
"re-imagining" is another red flag.
I don't mind some subverting of expectations.
It just better be surprising, in a good, or clever, or entertaining way. The more frustrating, the more pointless, generally.
Only if you're a bigot.
It has gotten so bad that the only way to "subvert my expectations" would be for them to produce a good movie.
Hearing Disney say the Hercules remake *"will be modern musical inspired by TikTok"* was genuinely the scariest thing I've ever read.
Just like sony when they first greenlit the emoji movie because emojis are popular with the young kiddies nowadays.
I'm like, seriously... We go from Broadway to Tik Tok for musicals. Seems like the higher ups at Disney are in major desperate mode.
Yet some people will defend it and say "it reflects morals and values that could be found in the original movie"
When I read that description, every word filled me with dread. Are they going to have everyone act like they're in high school too?
Now that I'm older I recognise that the original Disney film sanitized a lot of stuff and basically made Hercules a lot like Superman. But I still don't mind, because it was a great film. It was funny, with great action and characterization. It even had a message of 'A hero is defined by their heart, rather than their actions.'
So, people would be eating tide pods in the movie?
As someone who was a part of the “modern audience” as a teen, a lot of it is emotional immaturity and the almost cultish approach to “woke” culture. Being told by the internet that if you don’t hit the diverse cast checkboxes, or write minorities with flaws, or include any amount of offensive humor, you’re a shit writer, really got into my head as an emotionally immature teen and caused a lot of unwarranted guilt. My dad showing me The Drinker kickstarted my escape from that mindset, and I’m looking forward to becoming a good writer instead of a “woke” one lol
What a good dad you have for doing that, saving his kid from the woke terminal
Yeah that’s nonsense. If you start with a solid story with good characters first, your message will likely come out 20x more naturally than if you start with the m e s s a g e
As your thumbnail shows, you can evolve into many directions. I recommend the water pokey man, but the electrical one is probably the most successful. Read good writing. Gonna write scripts? Gotta read them so you know the template. Though you want your story to fit the frame, it also needs to grow organically from within you. Write your story for your Dad and not the world. Has a better chance of reaching the world that way. Good luck
Three loud cheers!!
Sure. When I was a teen I went down the right wing pipeline.
Now that I‘m an adult I can see that pretty much anyone using the term woke is a moron who does not understand the proper context of things and would rather attack minorities than the capitalist corporations when they screw up
damn, i'm so relieved we could at least have the Lord of the Rings right before the collective madness really set feet in our pop culture.
In retrospect those movies may very well be the end of an era
Me too. I love that trilogy.
I just don't understand why Hollywood, TV and Cinema don't realize that Twitter does not speak for the masses
Because the capitalist class lives in their own world
Because they don't care. They are staffed by the Twitter retards.
Hollywood lives on Twitter, to them Twitter represents the opinions of the masses.
It's a a part mass media complex spreading mental contagion by elevating one idea to gaslight people to think the thing they peddle is normal.
They understand it. This is called cultural subversion. Why do you think they're not worried about losing billion after billion?
My teenage daughter told me a few weeks ago that she didn't really like movies and didn't understand why people care so much about them. In response we have spent the last few weekends watching some of my favorites; Gattaca, Vanilla Sky, Shawshank Redemption, The Grren Mile, Apollo 13, Interview with the Vampire, Dances with Wolves, Planet of the Apes (1968), Sweeney Todd, etc and now she concedes that she actually just doesn't like modern movies. She said to me that she just hates all movies made after 2010... lmao...
Great shout with Planet of the Apes. Top 5 favorite movie of all time!
The only thing movies are good for nowadays is watching the drinker absolutely tear them apart for being so bad
Speaking of Interview with a vampire, have you seen AMC's version? it's awful.
Well there are some good movies after 2010, but I understand her 🙂
That's just good parenthood right there. Good job.
I once saw a saying that these remakes were "ruining my childhood". No they are not. My childhood was great I got to see these shows and movies as they were originally made. They are ruining the childhood of the kids today with these terrible remakes and censoring of the past.
True that
Censoring of the past?
Now you are probably mentally american, but uhh… the original Disney movies already heavily censored the source material.
@@MaticTheProto "Mentally American" sounds a lot more intelligent compared to the inanity you're spouting.
@@MaticTheProtowrong
@@redsentry9785 bro I‘m German, every fairytale was censored by them
Those who have watched FRIENDS, remember the Bruce Willis episode where he is strong, silent, tough, protective? Rachel wants to get him to open up. What happens? See........
Older movies wanted to captivate audiences, tell stories, and build a legacy full of passion and love. Something that’s foreign to the modern movie making industry
All new movies do is push THE MESSAGE.
Fr. Thankfully you will found some gold.
No no. You got that wrong. They love to build a legacy full of passion and love..
Up your asshole whilst screaming at you for not doing and believing everything they tell you to.
I mean it sure is captivating and worth telling stories about. 😆
This year we had 2 masterpieces, the batman and top gun. Prey was an amazing revival for a franchise as well. I'm thankful for these diamonds in the rough.
You're over complicating it. Everything woke turns to shit and its just that simple.
“We want the film to reflect the world we live in.”
*Depicts tiny women beating up big men*
And the grimm realistic of real life struggle
So succinct and perfectly stated.
None of the women have muscle either..
There are movies where the woman vs man fight is depicted in a way that women could win in real life too by using their agility and wits even without being bodybuilders, not every filmmaker has a competent enough crew to train actors to perform that though...
That's why we see tiny girls pushing back much stronger men in a way that makes zero sense, it's not that women cannot win against much stronger men but that many filmmakers are incompetent enough to even see how silly their movies often look from point of anyone with close combat experience who got reasonable ideas about what can and what cannot be done against a much stronger opponent.
The idea of putting a woman on an equal plane in movies is not bad in itself as old stories often depict the woman as inferior weak-minded beings by default from times when they were trading articles for property or even valuable animals, just the implementation is often silly, thus looking like a forced social engineering project where a woman is portraited in a way where it competes with a man physically in a manner that did not correspond with reality.
Don't forget that even princess stories in decades-old movies were often already modified to be consumable by an audience of that time, we just remember the good examples that were not done by incompetent people, while today we see all that junk production despite the ratio between good and bad movies in AAA titles may not be significantly different, there is just far more of them per year around the world. Bad movies in old days had a far lower chance to lure audiences anyway as new production with good special effects and promotion campaign available these days make it possible for mediocre movies to be somewhat profitable today, so the main anger with new junk production is mainly in the fact that they still managing to make a lot of money despite even though they may deserve none, thus creating an incentive for more bad movies to be created. The fear of the success of low-quality products setting new standards we are unwilling to support is why people concerned with the quality of products watch reviews and actively fight against their proliferation in the first place. We just often want to see intention where is just sheer incompetence, there always were resorurce restrictions whatever in time or money, if anything, todays movies got budgets few decades ago could only dream about.
@@ShesNotAPeanut Or really any training. They just do a lot of cuts to make it seem like they can fight. Usually looks terrible.
Caught this one late! Excellent and well said. As a female I find it so hard to think nower days of female protagonists that are strong without it be blatantly being shoehorned into their character. The modern presentation of females, especially with Disney properties makes me continuously roll my eyes.
Yeah I don't get why any women like that because they seem like they'd be huge bitches to just about anyone.
If Modern audiences actually existed these shows, movies, and games wouldn’t all be failing.
I mean… said minorities and left people exist.
They just aren’t a target audience for garbage movies
I recently saw a TikTok video where a guy said The Breakfast Club has not aged well because of “the crotch shot”. That’s right, a film about five students that come together as strangers and leave as friends after opening up to each other about suicide, depression, peer pressure, parental neglect and abuse and directed by one of the greatest filmmakers of the 80’s if not all time has not aged well because of a three second panty shot.
Link to the Clip : reason why modern movie is bad
ruclips.net/video/mCfYi7634rU/видео.html
What do you expect from TikTok though? Isn't the average age about 15? This is all they know
Oh, and let's not forget, the fact that the Bad Boy tried to get the Nerd to help him rape the Princess...
And the Basket Case girl was ONLY ATTRACTIVE after her makeover!
The horror...
Seriously? I mean, I’m not gonna advocate for sexual stuff in entertainment simply because I don’t like it and have moral objections, but one teeny scene about young people doing dumb young people stuff is hardly enough to ruin a movie 💀
The woke-mob were calling A Christmas Story racist because of the Chinese restaurant scene. They're like terminators. They don't feel, they don't sleep, they just attack.
I’m black and I am disgusted at what is happening… to have these “allies” reduce my culture to whether or not I watch a tv show or movie is appalling… I am tired of the woke media being shoved down my throat and I’m not the only one…
"If you don't watch Black Panther, you ain't black"
thats what I always imagined you felt, it must be so incredibly patronising having woke white people tell you what blackness means
Say it louder for the ones in the back!
Thank you baphomet
Good to know more people believe the word “Woke” can be used in a different context than to just be progressive……………
Their modern audience is Twitter not 99% of the rest of the world. I actually saw a tweet from a writer who reminded his fellow creatives that twitter is a fraction of your audience
And most of them don’t even like movies anyway.
The thing about successful movies is that they capture timeless ideas and communicate them to a new audience.
The idea of a character named "Snow White" being Columbian is absolutely hilarious!
Maybe she's called Snow White because she's a drug kingpin. That's the joke right?
Lmao
*snort*
Ikr if someone did that to Black Panther then they would be flippin their tables
I could deal with that, I can very often not tell Hispanics and white people apart, the problem really is that they changed the story
"Villainy wears many masks; none so dangerous as the mask of virtue." - Washington Irving
"We're oft to blame, tis too much proved. That with devotion's visage and pious actions, we do sugar o'er the devil himself."
"You will stay here for the rest of your lives. You will be happy. And controlled." I, Mudd, original Star Trek episode.
Leftism is a mental illness
Hehehe. Yeah. Because TCD isn't acting "virtuous" at all, right? I mean, he's only trying to SAVE movies. Hilarious.
I liked i love you daddy because it is different from the woke movies
Agree totally, but just to clarify one point about Snow White. In the original story from the Brothers Grimm, Schneewittchen, Snow White was not awakened by a kiss from the man. She woke when a man fell in love with her corpse, carried away her coffin and dropped it by accident, dislodging the poison apple piece stuck in her throat which had "killed" her. Like most Grimm stories, Disney presumably found that too dark so updated it (for modern audiences in 1937) 😆
For children yeah; Think about it, at least they could show a prince and not a meek and weak snowflake, or a stuck-up chic who believes she can do anything and better than a guy ya'know.
M O D E R N E S P U B L I K U M
More like they specifically wanted to make a film appropriate for all audiences and had to trim some darker aspects. Belle's nasty sisters aren't in beauty and the beast either. Nor is the father responsible for her being there.
Also older than the 19th c.
@@poopsmith6853Bluth could have done it
As a kid in the 70's, growing up in sunny Southern California, I was a big fan of Japanese action and animation tv programs. These certainly didn't "reflect the world I lived in," I liked them because they didn't reflect the world I lived in. All the characters were Japanese, all followed Japanese norms, all the scenes were Japan-centric, all were as foreign to me as aliens from Mars, but I loved these shows. Fast-forward many years, and I find myself living in Japan, and finding Japanese people who are rabid fans of old American westerns. The most popular movie ever screened in Japan was "One-eyed Jacks," a Marlon Brando western. No Japanese could relate to any part of that entire movie, yet that was why they loved it so much.
@breadandcircuses8127If I remember correctly, a lot of Japanese people find cowboys to be the American equivalent of samurai. Which is interesting considering that scholars see the roots of cowboy stories in European knights-errant stories which is kinda what a samurai is for the East. Everyone just likes stories about cool guys going on adventures.
The reason why Top Gun: Maverick was such a success was because they didn't pull any of this modern audience BS and just delivered a great action packed movie with an easy to follow plot. If it were to release back in the 80's or 90's it would have still been well received but not nearly to the degree it was now and that is because of how desperate people were for a movie that just wanted to entertain the audiences and not preach to them about "THE MESSAGE".
Let's see if others realise this when trying to analyse and replicate the success of Maverick. My bet is on them already churning bland sequels of similar franchise, but sticking to their losing formula.
while the movie was great and fun to watch, it still had a lot of PC stuff and "diverse people"
that might be true but I think its important to note that the female pilot for example didnt outshine her peers or the main protagonist. In a truly woke version of the movie the main protagonist would have been shown as a failing loser, no longer capable of fullfilling his task. He would have make place for the female pilot who would be better than him at anything.
@@lunisinko7498 exactly and it would've subverted your attention. The second it starts for me I know what kind of show or film I am watching
@@ViperGTS737 Probably to avoid the unfounded shitlib negative press publicity of ist and phobes accusations
My favorite part is that the update to the dwarves in Snow white is barely an update. They were already hardworking miners and craftsmen who sold valuable jewels in order to survive in their idyllic cabin in the middle of the woods who then agree to take in a kind stranger down on her luck because she agrees to cook and clean their home while they're out working. They then basically accept her into their family and when she gets cursed, they both help destroy the person who cursed her and preserved her body until the day when someone could break the curse. The dwarves weren't comedy relief. They were the fucking heroes of the story
I’ll follow up on that. “Modern audiences” seem to be allergic to appropriate arrangements and quid pro quos. Cooking and cleaning in exchange for safety, food, and being treated as part of the family is a perfectly good and healthy system. They just gotta have abuse or sex involved somehow. Probably means they think they were abused as children for being forced to clean their rooms.
@Bluespirit Listen okay, women aren't allowed to cook and clean. Those are a MAN'S domain. Leave such work to MEN, it's laughable to even consider a woman cooking and cleaning or other such housework.
A women should know her place is in the mines digging up carts full of gemstones, not at home playing with woodland critters.
THIS!!!!!
Not in the eyes of the woke mob. Snow White is automatically entitled to room board, sustenance, and doesn't have to do anything because she's a strong independent Whahman that don't need no mian. Toxic Feminazism hard at not working.
@Bluespirit Not to even mention there was basically a bounty out on her. Laying low in a cabin in the woods seems like a good idea...
and ends in "akanda".. best line ever.
The whole reason you want diversity is so you can pull in a wider audience. People ARE more likely to like your show if they relate to at least one of the characters, but people don't just relate to characters based on the race or gender of the actors playing them. It's way more important to have a cast of characters with diverse personalities. Plus, then you get to see them play off each other and that's how we get all our iconic duos, trios, and teams with all their cool and interesting dynamics.
i don't get why people need to relate to characters
I've got a few hours in my logbook but I never finished my private pilot's license - I still enjoyed Top Gun and Maverick. Relating to the characters does not mean I look like them, I am more than what I look like.
I don’t understand why characters have to be relatable. If a person is so egoistical and stuck up, they have the freedom to write whatever self insert fanfic they want to fantasize themselves in if that helps them cope or just watch media that is “relatable” to them. If a character is just a soulless and hollow entity only for self inserts then why is that even considered a character?? Instead of it being a discussion of character, it’s just people talking about how their egos are better…
@@Nizhyii A relatable character isn't a self insert. If a character shares traits with your intended audience, that audience will like them more and care more about what happens to them. People empathize more with people who they have a lot in common with. It's not a good thing (it's believed to be the root cause of all racism) but it is the way humans think, and that's something we can take advantage of in our writing. The problem with self inserts is that they often *aren't* relatable: the author assumes the reader will just assume the character shares the reader's interests so they often forget to write a believable character with interests, flaws, and a personality. People have identities, so they won't think of someone with no personality as being like them at all.
Frightening that people can’t empathize with the universal human condition unless someone looks like them. As if everyone who looks like is a monolith.
The fact that people choose to treat the snow white story as waiting for a prince to come and not extraordinary kindness get repaid at the end is a big problem we have in the world today.
They literally look at the end result of a prince saving her life and forget the journey that took her there.
Her kindness is what made the person who supposed to kill her spare her life. Her kindness is what made the 7 dwarves stick with her, help her when she is harmed. They also don't ignore the fact that your kindness can be abused as they show her get harmed for it but eventually she is still saved.
The only problem that may need updated is the prince being her true love right away as the prince in the story is more of a device that serve the purpose of goodness will come to people who treat others kindly rather than a character.
Something else I noticed on rewatching a few years back, Snow White goes from being a helpless girl lost in the woods to a brave, strong, confident woman who decides to make the best of a bad situation. She doesn't beg the dwarves for mercy, she bargains with them as an equal. Her labor for food & shelter.
Exactly. Snow White was not only kind, but patient, brave, hard working, long suffering, and overall very inspiring. She didn’t let her fears overtake her and cause her to falter, she simply pushed through it. She was eventually rewarded with her own personal dream, which happened to be marrying her true love and living happily. She was a girl raised without the love of a mother, and barely knew the love of her father, and now she gets to have a wonderful family that she can raise herself. The only issue with snow whites character is her age, as she was only 14 and her prince was 30, which is highly inappropriate. But that did not factor into the original cartoon, it was simply the trappings of traditions kept centuries and centuries before, when many women died too young to wait to marry in their 30’s.
You’re assuming woke Hollywood writers understand things like subtlety and literary devices. They only understand things that are continuously whacked over their heads
They make movies to please their community of heterophobic, androphobic white-phobic weirdos.
They please 1% of audience, basically.
And piss off the other 99%.
But they are so narcissist and delusional that they think their little community of weirdos represents a majority.
"Agreeability" is internalised Patriarchy. Sneering, snarling, snapping dagger-eared girlbosses are the true embodiment of the feminine ideal, and the only way for a woman to find true happiness. That, and box wine, and cats.
I was watching The Nightmare Before Christmas with my kids the other day, and I realized, intentional or not, it's an excellent allegory for how modern adaptations are made.
Someone reads a book, and is fascinated by it, and decides they want to make it their own. "I want it, oh I want it!" Then they insert their own ideas, preferences, and biased messaging until it only relates to the original on an extremely surface level, and the people partaking in it are left disappointed, and the piece of media is a disaster. In the end it will become abundantly clear that Christmas was better left in the hands of Santa.
Nicely observed. 🙂
and it was not inteneded
damn, that's a good analogy. jack didn't understand what made people love christmas, so in trying to recreate it, he twisted it in his own image until he created something no one liked. damn
Neat analogy!! Very Good! Thanks.
Brilliant!
Never mind the Hollywood Critiquer, this guy is the enlightened social commentator I've been waiting to hear. Bravo. And a fellow Scot too!
Interestingly, LotR also presents a female character who actively acts against the trope, both in the book and in the movies in the form of Eowyn, and the movies also give Arwen a moment of absolute badassery (originally performed by basically the Batman of the Elves, no less).
And this isn't unique for Tolkien lore. I mean, freaking Luthien. Just. Freaking. Luthien. And a number of other (predominantly Elven) very badass ladies.
Yes! And yet those female characters still managed to be feminine and radiate kindness and gentleness to their friends and loved ones!
I'm working on a "fanfic" of Fallout 3/New Vegas, channeling heroines like Eowyn in my protagonist. She's brilliant, beautiful, determined and driven by forces like protection and love of family.
I kinda wish we'd seen a little more badassery from Arwen, but I suppose Eowyn was meant to be her foil. Arwen had love for Aragorn, and Eowyn had her love for her uncle and brother.
What baffles me is how these producers don't see that James Bond and Indiana Jones aren't *characters* . They're *fantasies* . They're handsome, intelligent, tough, get to travel the world to exotic locations, bed hot chicks, perform well in their respected professions and get to shoot douchebags. They're a male escapist fantasy, not actual characters that need to be "updated".
Exactly. But no, let's bring these characters to 21st century sensibilities.
>>>They're a male escapist fantasy, not actual characters that need to be "updated".
Producers: I see, so what you're saying is we should make a remake of these beloved characters that cater to female audiences?
ah, but, you see, me...excuse me! that should be: "cisheteronormative 46XY chromosome non-birthing persons" are not permitted to have fantasies, didn't'cha get the memo?
@@sifutophmasterofeyerolling2513 I know you're joking but that would actually be awesome. I'm a dude and would gladly watch a movie like that.
But you people have a meltdown when female fantasies exist.
“If you hate the source material so much, why even bother remaking it? Why not just come up with something new?”
THANK YOU, DRINKER. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
@Classic Tate I am so confused
@@ninjustice5574 That's a spam bot, man. Also, to answer the quoted question, "Because they CAN'T."
I don't think it is a matter of hating the source material. And I don't think "they" can't come up with new interesting stories. Personally I think the studios are the problem, studios want to exploit our nostalgia dollars and peak our interest with something from our past.
Something that didn't happen, okay.
They remake it because they hate it so much. It needs to be changed in their weird minds.
You touched on something that I think is vital in these times. Genuine respect for differing perspectives. I remember when that was the definition of being an American....free speech and expression was the defining feature. We can have dramatically differing opinions but will defend your right to have them. There was a time when the ACLU defended actual NAZIS right to march in the streets of Skokie Illinois and it was held up as an ideal for Americans. That is the America I miss. One that felt confident enough to allow for different points of view to use the public space equally. Now we are all cultural cowards that need constant protection from using our own minds. We have outsourced our thinking and have become sheepish robots.
Well, can't speak for all Americans, especially since I'm not, I'm just in upside down land, although I can't say much for city folk, country folk are a different breed of human, and the only ones I have met with sense with what's actually decent and less sheep minded.
Sorry, but your rambling is horseshit. America never truly stood for freedom of speech.
If you honestly think it did then only because you belonged to a group that was free to speak about their agenda.
But I suppose when you grow up in America these details aren’t taught to you
My fiancé has a pretty woke mindset when it comes to media and definitely defends the “strong female protagonist” narrative being pushed currently and it really sucks to watch older movies like Benchwarmers for a good laugh and she made the comment “that women was definitely written by a man” and I wanted to say something but it would’ve started an argument that I don’t want to have but I think I’ll need to at some point
You better run while you still can.
My gott man. Get out while you can. All the looks in the world will fade. All the women today written by women suck. Just ask her who wrote ripley or sarah connor or any of those other great female leads. Could she tell if a man wrote those? Those are some epic women. Not the crap fest we get today.
Don’t get married please it will be a mistake
Lol you're fucked if you wife her. Leave while you can and get a refund on that ring
I'm glad i have a partner who we would banter each other with sexist jokes and laugh about it. Growing up with 5 brothers gave me a sense of humor
'People who see the past as an enemy to be defeated rather than a rich tapestry of ideas and experiences to learn from.' The drinker deserves a fucking medal for this insight.
It's the reaction of spoiled children who were never told "no," who never read, who got trophies for mediocrity, who were never challenged by difficult ideas in school or physical challenges on the playing field. People, in short, NOT to pay attention to.
a past to be defeated or an attempt to forget it? diffrent things that can have the same results, and this thing about attempting to forget the past, it doesnt work!, not only does it fail everytime but those kind of people are vile, because they will "forget" a lot of other things along with what little depravities they really want to forget, for example i have been called a liar to my face twice for saying commercial mainstream gyms have only existed in england since the early-late 1980s nothing today you see people doing regarding health was done back then not even jogging, yet because these cretins had a life that they would prefer to forget will many times will expose them for the ratarded soon to be mass grave fodder they really are, they wont be missed
That's the sad thing - that this is some form of revolutionary idea. It's common sense...or, was, when sense was actually somewhat common
Except @The Drinker, fkd up when he said @ 6:43, that LOTR was racially homogenous because it was based on Northern European Myth, but ... Wakanda shouldnt be, when its inside a racially homogenous Black Continent? lmao.
@@silentwitness536 watch it again, I think his point was that a racially homogenised wakanda is acceptable, but a racially homogenised middle earth or shire is not.
There is a reason why we can still get captivated by Ancient Greek tragedies: We still fight the same fights and fight for the same virtues.
We're still the same species
@@rog6725 except with a little dumber ideals nowadays which would mean most people (liberals) somehow devolved with time
Speaking of strong female characters....Antigone, anyone?
Hellenic tragedies were an evolution of religious sacrificial rites.
That's a great observation. How much did the ancient stories have to be adapted for modern audiences?
I remember what they did to Beowulf in the 2000's and hated it. All I wanted was a screen version of the epic I read in high school. I understand cutting things to fit a run time but retooling the story is unacceptable.
Critical drinker is the pinnacle, the mecca of reviews !! so many RUclipsrs won't say what he says because of fear of getting canceled or losing followers
Historically, Bond did change once. On Her Majesty's Secret Service. He got married, and Blofeld killed his new wife. The movie basically ended with Bond crying over her body. It was remarkably sad in tone compared to the norm. The next movie opened with Bond going on an unmitigated killing spree of bloodthirsty revenge.
It reminded me a lot of The Godfather, when Michael's first wife in Sicaly got carbombed. A really sobering moment.
If I recall, it's one of the reasons Bond stopped letting himself get attached to people, at least for a while.
I seem to recall this was also the movie where an actor played Bond only for one movie, and then didn't keep the role because they thought he was unusually dramatic as Bond.
But I doubt anyone making these new movies have watched enough of the old stuff or read the books to know any of this.
Sorry to bother, but did you read the books yourself? Cause if you did, you would be rather more humble and accurate when criticizing creators of modern Bond movies - as they finally did get 007 right as Fleming wanted him to be: empty-hearted, cold-minded killing machine in HM’s hands, a shipwreck of a person, the one fills his hollowness and grief with substances, but yet not a plain drunk. (And he was never actually attached to anyone, not just for some time). It was Connery and Moore - especially Moore - who got 007 wrong; easy-going, elegant, ever smiling English comedian is almost the exact opposite of Fleming’s original character. The hardest irony there is that it were Connery’s 007 who was adopted to ‘modern audience’ of that time - and the script differed much from the original books (sometimes almost completely, like in ‘you only live twice’). But you seem to have nothing against the ‘modern audience’, it seems, unless you’re not in it.
Also the real reason that Lazenby left is because of his disdain with film crew and because his agent convinced him that 007 will become obsolete and forgotten quite soon. What they both did not consider that there are millions who will consume the same story over and over again - including the sorry author of this video. He himself is the part of ‘modern audience’, albeit of the 80s, and just has a problem with ‘modern audiences’ of these days. The most ironic of all is that he regards the art the very same way SJWs and Hollywood producers do - as a mere product - and when he’s not targeted, he plays the crybaby the same way SJWs do (which is, coincidentally, the content of this video)
The only thing he got right is there are no ‘modern audiences’ - there are different stories without any audience targeted beforehand (so you either listen or stop whining about the story not being appropriate for you) And James Bond’s story is one of them and was in fact drastically different from Connery era movies. And Barbara Broccoli’s response is right if you look at it from another perspective: there is a whole load of action movie franchises like Bourne and more a more are spawn, how do you compete with them on their own field? You don’t. You have to come up with another story and another character. Luckily, there is a reliable source.
No, that's fine. I seem to recall having read two of the books but it's been decades.
Since it's been two months since I replied to this video (I really don't want to watch it again), my recollection was simply that everyone seems to have their own impression of "Bond", and it's apparently quite easy to consume enough of it to either forget or omit the rest and still treat yourself as an authority. This doesn't actually bother me that much with a case like this, since there is so much material out there that I think it's understandable, but it felt like an important detail from earlier movies was being ignored.
I'll take your word that the author never let him get attached to someone, as it doesn't change that it occurs in the movie.
I'm reading George Orwell's 1984 right now, and I have to say; this whole "re-writing history for a modern audience" angle is basically straight out that terrifying dystopian book...
Just change Big Brother to Big Sister and you're all set
But it's fine because the left does it 🤡🤡🤡
And now You are in this little part of humans who knows that we are screwed
We've been living in a Kafkaesque amalgamation of 1984 and Brave New World for a few decades now.
This is basically like adding Fahrenheit 451 into the pot.
Who gets their history from corporate movies
I love how something like Top Gun: Maverick dispensed with this idea and reaped the rewards. They forget that the “modern” audience is largely comprised of the same people that loved the things they’re mangling decades ago. It’s not like we all just died off.
"It's not like we all just died off". That's true and brings into even sharper focus the hate they have for us Gen X and older by killing off older actors like they did in Star Wars' latest sad renditions. And before they killed us off (the white men) they made us (Han and Luke) losers and emotional basket cases. Leia was a hero of the resistance still and died a beloved hero, but not the men.
Kathleen Kennedy and her ilk are poisons to creativity and certainly don't appreciate the millions of positive contributions that white men have made over the centuries. They only focus on the bad ones. Is that because they secretly lusted after the bad boys but were too cowardly to be with one and so now resent the world as people of her psychological makeup are wont to do???
They hope and try to brainwash everyone
Top Gun Maverick has made nearly 1.5 billion dollars because it did what other successful movies before it has done: Focus on things that are universally appreciated by people who watch it.
1. Internal consistency.
2. Likable characters.
3. Immersion, suspense and actual stakes.
4. Respecting it's audience.
Young people like traditional movie making too, they just are given the option anymore.
@@barongerhardt Like what, I didn't see anything you wouldn't have seen in a movie ten to 15 years ago
I remember the glorious days of the 70s to early 00s parody movies , most of which will never get made these days because everyone now is sensitive to everything and anything.
That has to be the finest collection of brief movie moments ever assembled. And great commentary too!
“Designed for past audiences” would be a tagline that would get me into a theater.
That's pretty much what Top Gun Maverick is, and it made a heap of cash.
or playing a newer video game, as I have 0 interest in the witcher 1 remake `for modern audiences`, Dragon age 4 made `for modern audiences` or the race swap in God of war which will lead to the next one fighting a boss in a dress after you use the wrong pronoun. people ascept it and it grows, shame as i`s saved the money for it.
Instead of all this "Designed for ... Audience" how about designed to be good? Because I haven't seen one like that in a while
Or "actual" audiences.
@@aVerySillyBilly Wait...Witcher 1 is not just a graphical remake? They're updating its content too?
Imagine writing your own story instead of messing with the established ones. What a world that would be...
Indeed
Imagine being given the fuckin opportunity to do so at all... but we both know that's not fuckin happening unless a white man that can give a shit about other cultures has his hands all over it.
There's a place for that. It's called Wattpad.
It would require imagination, that is way too risky come on!
*Can't wait for the SNOW **-WHITE-** TAN fairytale remake!*
People born after 2000 don't have enough life experience to be trusted with remaking classic movies, tv shows, etc. They are green, they are rookies, they lack perspective and shouldn't be trusted with anything made before 2000.
The dwarfs in snow white werent changed because the game of thrones dwarf actor felt offended, in reality he felt very threatened by the possibility of 7 new emerging actors being showcassesd in a high profile movie role he'd like a monopoly on for the next decade!
On a semi-related note, it’s incredible that Snow White still looks that good 80 years later.
Amazing what art can do when you do it for the art instead of *THE MESSAGE*
CGI is getting worse and worse every year that passes. Compare Star Wars, LOTR, Avatar etc. To any of the most recent Disney+ shows... The art doesn't matter one bit.
@@Blobbyo25 Yea, noticed that too. The CGI literally hurt my eyes and leaves me feeling sick
I miss hand-drawn animation so much
@@Blobbyo25 thats probably due to them not giving the actuall animators and effects people enough time, going with the "good enough" or "just enough spectacle for people to not notice much" types of production lines.
in all honesty theres not much more we can advance in CGI, especially at this point in time. and jusing it as a crutch to compensate for other things is so not the way to go. honestly, i think the way to go is blend CGI with IRL visual effects. some movies still do this, but not enough, and when done well its pretty great.
but again, it doesnt matter how good or powerful a tool is if you cant use it properly, CGI or IRL effects.
It's a sad world when Snow white and the huntsman is the best live version of snowwhite we'll get.
My sister went with a group of friends to see an "Updated Reimagining of a Musical Classic. Oklahoma!". At intermission, half the audience vanished. My sister stayed because they were supposed to have a late supper afterword. Later, over that meal, she learned every one in the party wanted to bail out as much as she did.
Lol. That’s golden
Did everybody get refunds?
Too bad! They could have lingered over an extended dinner.
I’m trying to imagine an updated Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. That would be hilarious!
After…WARDS!
The past is something that should be remembered and learned from not forgotten
Because if no one remembers it, then what's the point of it ever happening?
There's a great quote from Roman Orator Marcus Tullius Cicero: "To be unaware of what came before is to remain forever a child, for what value do our accomplishments hold if there is no history to weigh it against?"
Frankly, everything correctly analysed and deconstructed in this excellent dialogue should be made statute law instantly. Thank christ for the sanity-restoring healing powers of The Critical Drinker's take-no-bullshit analytical breakdowns. Faith in common sense retained!
"That's not modernization, its bastardization." Wordsmith, truly!
Its almost like he is a writer himself
@Chad 007 no
@@rhysprendergast5842 report the bots
@@ptptpt123 He fancies himself a writer
You are very easily impressed, I see.
From "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves" to "Snow Brown and the Seven Differently Abled Little People"
Ahahahahahaha
Soil Brown
This ain't Snow White it's Soil Brown
"Roasted Snow White"
Disney be like:
Snow Brown
Cinder not vanilla
Sleeping Black Beauty
Black Little Mermaid
Brown and the Beast
Tangled In Dark Curls
Brave to not be white
I'm so thankful for your videos. They are so frustratingly, depressingly accurate.
Woke = bad, right? SO deep.
@@jenniek8391Would you like to talk about why people don't like woke policies? I'd be happy to.
@@jenniek8391Didn't think so.
I believe you're one of the most important and insightful observers of modern culture and society today.
Narrator: he's not.
The main reason why japanese , korean entertainment is getting more and more popular day by day. They experiment with new ideas , they have originality , they want to tell a story with their media not just make money out of it. They have new innovative ideas , also while preserving their culture. They actually want to entertain their audience ( something hollywood hasn't been doing for a long time ).
_Kingdom_ friggin' _rocks_
As a fan of anime myself, I completely agree with you. I mean hell, anime extends out of their culture and experiment with other cultures (i.e. African American culture inspired shows such as Afro Samurai and Samurai Champloo). It feels the teams made those 2 with passion instead of "diversity" and "made for modern audiences".
But this also means some of othose Westerners (i.e. the women and the men who simp for them) will end up being attracted to that media and try to change that Japanese media for when it gets ported over to the US/translated.
You should see what we're having to deal with when it comes to English "localized" versions of Japanese video games. It's awful, tons of wokeists ruining them.
And mate the manga business is out selling comics
Of course there is still a lot of lazy bad anime made as a cheap cash grabs, but the medium as a whole is in a much healthier state than mainstream western media.
I hate it when most movies say they have been "updated for modern audiences" it's basically set up to bad.
The script is absolutely savage and completely spot on.
Mulan (the original animated one) is honestly what a "strong female character" should be
Mulan
1998 is a classic
Sarah Connor
Ripley
@Lachie well chinese audiences loved it so chill
Also, the original Lara Croft, Ripley from Alien, Sarah Conner from Terminator, ... - not one of which had the need to pussify the male characters in the process of their being a strong character
Personally, I love it when studios make these kinds of declarations about upcoming movies. It lets me know I don't need to bother seeing them.
My man here being smart. I'm the same, I look for the buzzwords and swipe left.
same for video games.
I don’t understand why you want the remake to be a carbon copy of the old one? Just watch the old one. I don’t need all the wokeness in movies but I also don’t watch Disney Princess movies, nor do I care what ethnicity they are.
What amazes me is that they keep making these declarations despite it being obvious they are instantly labeling their stuff as box office poison for majority of the population, even those they are arguably catering for. The costs of marketing are often almost as big if not bigger than the costs of production... and then they use it in a way that makes people less likely to see their content. Absolutely insane.
@@jeffroberts6428 no, we want a genuine continuation of a story. What are you trying to prove? You know what the real problem is.
One of your better-written monologues, with a great edit of footage. Bravo. All so acutely true. (Love the shots of Lazenby, BTW -- an underrated Bond.)
This video heree is kinda countered by 'Popculture Detective' actually diving into
'whats wrong with the past'
I’ve watched 💯’s of Drinker videos over the years, but this one just hit an exposed nerve and made me super depressed.
Man. I’ve been born in the wrong time period. But thank you Drinker, for being a voice in the dark. I’m not alone…
@Hello I still do and go back to the ultimate classics regularly. It’s just, there are very few I haven’t watched. I’ve worked at a cinema and blockbuster stores back in the day.
In years that followed, I used to go to the cinema at least once a week. I miss it. Modern movies just suck now 😞
I love the fact you did a entire reel of movies that STILL hold up today compared to what we're currently getting.
I watch the twilight zone for October, man that show is so fucking good and that's for the 60s man.
Snow White: An unusually pale woman so kind-hearted and caring that wild animals and a band of rugged dwarves do their darndest to act polite to her. So sweet and innocent that the only person who could ever hate her is a wicked jealous queen who would poison her with a false gift. So charming and lovable that when she fell, it moved a most attractive young prince to even kiss her deceased lips, bringing her back to the joy and adoration of all.
What some of these "writers" don't seem to understand is that a woman doesn't need to be just like the "the boys" in all their badassery to be an endearing character that people watch over 80 years later. She can be compassionate. What greater human strength is there than the strength of all those who will rally to you?
That's probably what modern movie-makers precisely cannot compute. For them, a character (especially of the "diverse" composition) just earn their likability by being sassy, egotistic, un-empathetic, and generally careless/bully-like on others. This is a big inconsistency since our general social experience (in real life) tells us that kind of behavior is precisely likely to make you unloved, un-trusted, and usually not wanted around.
@@herheartbeats5727 Modern Hollywood don’t grasp that since all of them from actor to producer to writer to director have gotten where they are by being un-empathetic and stepping on other people. Can’t expect people like that to tell a good story or create a relatable character that the audience can feel for.
Just to be clear, this is Disney's Snow White.
You don't want to know what the Prince did to her in the German fairy tale
@@savioblanc The version i know the pale bearer stumbled and she was shaken awake, the true love kiss is disney invention (still works in how such tales where told though), but it is kinda an prince turned frog kissed back to prince theme.... so no issues there either.
@@Spinosaurus44 Well it probably has something to do with those traits, though they are probably shared far beyond Hollywood (and the general entertainement industry).
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Also, reminding how often the majority of us "ordinary" people accept or cheer the promotion of such samples of humanity (while also often complaining with the consequences) is not hopeful.
I fucking love this channel!! The fact that it’s delivered in a Scots accent makes you truly believe he is an actual alcoholic, and it’s such a great accent for insults. Keep up the good work my friend.
One of the best of a good bunch. Great video.
Old Hollywood: "We wanted to make money and entertain people."
New Hollywood: "We want to huff our own farts."
You guys are blind if u believe Hollywood wasn't a degenerate propaganda factory from day 1, only difference is they used to be more subtle about it, which was actually worse.
Hollywood has always pushed poltical narratives and propaganda. The difference was that their propaganda and political narratives used to be entertaining.
Old hollywood cared about money, but let's not pretend they weren't pushing narratives or brainwashing the population from day one.
Make no mistake, Pedowood is all about profiting from their CCP master.
More like: "We want money and money and money and to huff our own farts."
If you want this trend to stop, remember that the opposite of 'love' isn't hate, it's indifference. Don't watch these films. Don't discuss or review these films. Don't go with others to see these films. Simply pretend that they do not exist and, if someone wants you to go see it with them, tell them you're not interested and leave it at that. If enough people do this, they will be compelled to stop but even if that isn't for a while, you can still hold it as a quiet, personal virtue that you have done your part in at least not contributing to the vandalizing of European culture and history.
Considering how physical media is slowly being phased out itd be nice if there was a larger trend among people buying more dvds and prioritizing classics over the box office.
THIS. I'd love if people just stopped giving this crap the attention. In a lot of cases, I don't even know if they "update" franchises to appeal to their idea of a modern audience or even themselves. They do it because they know it'll create controversy within the fanbase and controversy creates attention. Attention they otherwise wouldn't have because they lack the talent and imagination to create anything compelling. But get people angry? Yeah, that's a good way to get them talking about something.
Most, if not all, of the 'updated for modern audiences' things pretty much have proven to have zero staying power--so I really don't think we need to tell people to be indifferent past "Don't waste your money or time." But Western mass media's current management isn't going to grasp what they're doing wrong and why audiences are bouncing on them if they don't get told. They're just not really diverse, because on the inside they're all the same person...and that person is a high-SES from birth (culturally) White dude...who is outright baffled by the whole "Other people are other people" thing that most people figure out in preschool.
That's probably the 'modern audiences' that they're talking about, and the surprising thing is that it isn't even tinier.
no, it doesn`t work this way. If one wants to stop this trend, he doesn`t stop hating it and starts taking it indifferently, he helps OTHERS IN MASS take it indifferently.
@@user-gj7yt1yn9b yes, but people like the drinker make these movies relevant, while being too polarizing, and subjective to convince the majority of the viewers of his opinions
That "perfect storm" scene in the beginning brought me back to when i actually cared about the movie characters
Good movie best half min cry i ever had
So much truth spoken in this...
Hollywood (as a whole) needs a viable competitor. We all want movies from outside the LA echo chamber, and the creators who can figure that out and bypass the gatekeepers will get very, very rich.
Korea’s been increasingly killing it the last few years. To an objective viewer who doesn’t simply watch Hollywood movies because that’s ‘just where movies come from’, Korea is easily outshining Hollywood when it comes to visual storytelling now. Hong Kong and China aren’t doing too bad either. Asia writ-large is stepping their game up I guess lol. I also hear Scandinavia is making some of the best TV out there, but I haven’t checked any of that out yet.
As for American films, you’ve got a few studios like A24 keeping good filmmaking alive, but they’re few and far between.
Turn to anime, comic and book readers have already switched to manga so now it's time for tv and movie watchers to switch to anime.
British and Australian TV has largely gone woke as well ☹️
Scorsese, Tarantino, Richie, Cruise to name a few that Hollywood could never change, all is not lost
@@hoaujudaiyubelwhat you really mean is "resistance is futile"
This is EXACTLY why my wife and I have started to re-watch the movies from the 70s-2000s. Back then movies were great. You cheered on the heroes and remembered all the great one-liners or hero speeches. And why we don't go to the theater anymore. Modern movies suck.
@Chad 007 no
Me and my fiancée are doing exactly the same thing! There are so many good films and series from the past, we don't even miss the modern cinema.
I almost exclusively watch movies from 1980’s to 2010.
I've been doing the same with just about every form of media that I engage with. Whether it be video games, books, music.
Same. I prefer to rewatch movies from the 70’s to the early 2010’s before 2015 happened. At least back then, movies went out of their way to entertain you and not preach to you. Even though there have been some hidden celluloid gems since 2015, they get lost amidst the endless MCU series/movies and modern remakes that end up flopping.
Damn, your tirade at the end without taking a breath was sublime.
This is like the fifth video I see from the Critical Drinker. And oh boy oh boy. This guy is so frikkin spot on. I salute to you, dear sir, every of your vids is 10/10.
The problem with modern movies is...
1. Too much focus on franchises
2. Too much real world politics and a focus on "the message"
3. Whedonesque "snappy" dialogue is far too prevalent and annoying; Abrasive humor can undercut a movie completely
4. Too much terrible CGI
5. Films just look worse on digital compared to film, have you noticed how muted the colors are in movies lately? Or how they have an obnoxious blue filter?
Forgot what channel I heard this term used to describe modern Hollywood movies but it's definitely factory filmmaking in the purest sense.
I think you're talking about Chris Gore from Film Courage. His critique on modern movies is astute and on-point. He's sick of it just like the rest of us - an actual honest critic who *wants* to enjoy the films he watches.
Like what drinker said these people have been praised and not challenged almost their entire lives. It’s basically people who live in their ivory towers for so long they come off as nonsensical to regular folk when they leave said tower.
It's literally just the Js.
It's really that simple.
@@mickeymickey9914 Kanye is right
Joss Whedon and his style has done such horrendous damage to writing as an art form and business
The creators of Velma certainly lived up to the pitfalls of making a series for "Modern Audiences".
That show really is a tipping point in everyone's patience for such problems in media
@@OmniversalInsect imagine how great that'll look on a resume in 10 years... unless we become so brainwashed that suddenly everyone will become a fan of the show, which hopefully won't happen
*Can't wait for the SNOW **-WHITE-** TAN fairytale remake!*
I know right.
They didn't make a series for "The Modern Audience." They made a series for Mindy Kaling.
This video has been in my favorites since it was published because I sincerely believe people will look back on this years down the road and see it as a harbinger for the collapse of original storytelling in Hollywood.
Ah, your dose of sarcasm is so refreshing... It's good that someone can say the truth so confidently!
Who wants to escape reality for a couple hours when you can be miserable all the time and even pay for a ticket
Not me. But then again, I guess I don't know what "real art" is.
Listen if im gonna be suffering from life Id wanna watch it in HD
Apparently we gotta buy the tickets, but not turn up, instead give them to a black family, for wakanda forever.. lol yea, sure, these people are insane.. clearly
As a brown person, the brown snow white is just straight stupid and anyone who says otherwise is just too stupid to realize they are bing used as a token.
Being* sorry was eating and texting lol
"It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" Mark Twain
Hit me up🔝👆.
Perfectly describes Critical Drinker lol
@@carybeweary7209 How?
@Sebastian B. Cause mf has been fooled into a delusional view of the world by people trying to use his vote
@@sebastianb.3978 Because he's just espousing the reactive anti-PC playbook. What does it matter if a Columbian actress is playing Snow White? He doesn't seem to get the irony of his statement that only giving the casting opportunities to White women because of its roots (roots based on folktales with multiple endings, mind you) would indeed be intentionally racist. This is why the Hobbit had the controversy in New Zealand of not allowing any non-White actresses and actors to play as Hobbits in the background cast. He doesn't seem to critically evaluate his own comments, he's just espousing the quickest message for upvotes in a website that doesn't even allow downvotes anymore.
Spot on as usual Drinker. You can pretty much forget anything made after 2010 and then your entertainment will remain rewarding.
Here lately I have been watching a lot of older movies. Everything from say mid 90s and way before. Even some from back in the 60s. I have discovered that everthing I need is in the past and I couldn't be more happy, even if I watch them over and over. I don't watch movies to live in the moment of today, I watch them to escape. There is no substitute for a captivating storyline, great acting and old school cinematics, without all the modern day BS.
The way they sum up Snow White's character as "Someday, my prince will come" tells me all I need to know.
For real, Snow White was a small slip of a girl about to be assassinated in the woods. Wtf do they expect her to do? Do a backflip and break the bad guy's neck?
No. She ran away, survived a cold, dark night in the forest, worked her *ss off to repay the dwarf's kindness (even though she's a princess), and didn't whine like a spoiled brat when nothing went her way.
Classic Snow White was a good, brave girl. "Someday, My Prince" is just a freaking I Want song that's part of the freaking princess movie formula. It doesn't mean that a prince is the only thing Snow White will ever want in her life. It's just that at that moment during the movie, she simply wants to see her crush/admirer again.
referencing ryan george is TIGHT
Preach. Thats ironically the one aspect I feel Disney will never actually bother exploring in the remake. Snow White is fairest in the land because she's a sincere hardworking selfless girl, not an overpowered beauty queen.
I fail to see the problem with "someday my prince will come". Almost ten years ago my princess showed up and I married her. Best thing ever. These modern filmmakers are lacking essential human features.
Also did the actress really say it's a story from the 30s?! This story is at least 300 years old or even older. Just make a new movie if you don't like the fucking story. Also snow-white is called that because she has skin that's white as snow. I don't think the actress will bleach her skin so this is just terrible casting on top
It depends how the song is interpreted. It seems like a "I want song" if you listen without context! But in the movie, Snow White has already met her prince and fallen in love with him, so she is asking not for "any random prince to be saved by him", but she's rather expressing her desire to find her one, true love again and be able to marry him at last. And honestly, in a time without phones, without SMS or any other chat possibilties, it's indeed not likely that the prince will likely find her easily. Yes, it's a passive part for the girl, but staying safe at the dwarves offers for her a better chance to survive than running around and searching for the prince (when she doesn't know where he is or where he is from), and so she decides to dream and hope instead, and what's wrong about that?
(By the way, in the originak fairy tale, the prince hasn't met before Snow White and wants to have the beautiful girl in the coffin, and then they're marrying without any plot between, and would this the better solution??? (In most of Snow White movie adaptions, Snow White has already met the prince in the beginning or at least at the castle or it would be a scary fantasy or a parody...)-
Thank you Critical Drinker for articulating what millions of us think.
Spot on
@@copysulting you articulated perfectly my thoughts on neilunknown's comment that addresses how the drinker articulated perfectly what millions of us think.
Trillions
He's the voice of the cinematically frustrated, hands down
Hear here!
Listening to you gives me hope for humanity's future, but alas just for as long I watch yours and similar channels. Trying to watch new films and series takes me right back into fucked up reality of things. :( Cheers, mate!
"reimagined for the modern audiences" - I hate this sentence, since it always indicates that the film or tv-show will suck.
"Not modernization but bastardization." PERFECTLY said!
A lot of people claimed that old Disney princesses are just weak damsels & thus sex1$t. But they forgot that the actual eye candy, empty of personality reward is the princes, they were just there to solve the girls problems & give them happily ever after. The 1st prince to have a personality is Eric(Little Mermaid). Because they're not the protag, it's the princess the story focused on
Exactly..it’s the princess who is the “star of the show” Snow White, Cinderella, Rapunzell, Ariel etc…
@@GIBBO4182 its almost like its in THE GODDAMNED TITLE!
The Sleeping Beauty prince was the first. She slept through most of the movie while he did all the fighting.
you npc
@@ruthsaunders9507 He fight, but has nothing upstair. All I remember about him is that he's pretty & a good singer. This the reason it's my least favorite classic Disney movie: the princess is asleep most of the movie while the prince is as bland as the others
The modern audience thing has been going on for 20 years now. Still waiting for a studio to run out of money.
Couldn't agree more. That's why really all media sucks today. Every aspect of media and entertainment has become worse during the last 6-7 years.
The clip of Clarice Starling in the bit about female characters is particularly striking. Writers today act like they're the first ones to discover that women aren't always treated the best, and of course all their portrayals have to be both hyperbolic and super on the nose.
But in Silence of the Lambs, the film is saturated with that message without telling you it's doing that. You don't have Clarice complaining to Jamele Jamil about men this and catcalling that. You just have men either looking at her body or pretending to listen to her and then going and doing their own thing. The treatment she has being a woman in a man's world is like an anchor that weighs down the whole movie.
In her scenes with Hannibal she's desperate to get him to take her seriously so he'll answer her questions. But he sees right through her and instead he observes all the things she does to get everyone else to try and take her seriously.
And the irony of it all, is that he's the only one in the movie who really does take her seriously. Once he breaks down her defenses he's actually very intrigued with the woman underneath her social defenses. He takes her seriously because he knows she's intelligent enough to solve this case while most of her male superiors are tiresome to him. He knows that her compassion is real because it's driven by the trauma of her youth. And he knows that her determination means that she will persevere. All of this we learn from what he plucks from her brain, drawing out the bits of her character that make us root for her to catch Bill, and we share her frustration when the other people in their self assurances don't listen.
This happens through character interaction, not through contrived hyperbolic examples or from people telling us exactly how unjust the world is. We feel its injustice with her. And this is a 35 year old movie.
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Excellent analysis. Agreed on all counts!
I miss when movies didn't have dialog that is insulting with the unnecessary exposition
Oh yes such a "feminist" movie so disregarded by these "feminist". That small elevator scene alone in Quantico, in its direction, not telling, just putting a perspective, like it doesn't, just brilliant.
Peter Dinklage singlehandedly ruined the chance for small actors to be cast not just in this upcoming Snow White remake, but anywhere now and for the foreseeable future. They should be beyond angry with him. He shouldn't utter a single word more about 'representation'.
You’re the best. I’m thankful that someone with your reach is telling it like it is
When these studios abandon their fanbases for modern audiences, their fanbases abandons them.
Hollywood: "Best we can do is ruin your childhood memories"
I’d say that catering to “fan bases” is just as bad as catering to “modern audiences”. The Godfather did not cater to any fan base. Neither did Citizen Kane, Pulp Fiction, Shawshank Redemtion, or A Fistful of Dollars. They aspired to make a great movie, and only cater to the vision of the movie creator.
Like Star Wars. It’s a shame some fans left before Andor aired since it’s good
@@fr0ck360 I'm glad Mark Hamill stood up against it in interviews and said he doesn't believe the new movies are canon with how they ruined Luke. Harrison Ford just bounced and wanted nothing to do with it haha.
@@souldreamer9056 for original films you are correct. But for films set in already established worlds, like lotr, you do have to cater to the previous audience to some extent because they are the ones who are going to watch the new film or show.
And this is precisely why I now cherish movies of the past SO much more than I ever did.
Watch Goodfellas or Pulp Fiction with a nephew who has never seen it, and their minds will be blown. Movies were good, and dangerous.
Please define "the past" when it comes to movies. For me when I was growing up, the "past" years were the 1920s, '30s, '40s, '50s, and '60s. Now, of course, the '70s and the '80s have joined them in my imagination.
"Strong, capable, confident, assertive;" also showing "emotion, vulnerability, respectfulness." .... Sounds like my husband.
Well-rounded humans can be many things (regardless of sex/gender). It's dichotomies in society and cinema that tell us otherwise.
We each cannot be everything. Yet we should each aspire to be more than we are to enhance our lives, our relationships, and the world around us.
Thank you sooo much for talking out what we all thought
I'm old enough to remember when Hollywood started to hyper sexualize music & video; back then their response was always, "we're just giving the public what they want." Now when their audience rejects their diversity projects, they attack their audience for not wanting it.
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You're probably old enough to be alive during the time when racism, homophobis and sexism was at an all time high
@@purpleclaws202 Probably not. Unless you think homophobia, racism and sexism was at an all time high only a few decades ago.
@ it was...
@@purpleclaws202 Not
The “modern audience” is a term that they use when they’re trying to gaslight their own fanbase into being perfectly fine with established source material being destroyed.