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The producers of the terminator franchise can't be bargained with, can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear... And they absolutely will not stop - ever! ... Until the franchise is dead.
Honestly, T3 really wasn't THAT bad. Edit : If you're into the horror aspect of Terminator movies then i can totally understand why you wouldn't like T3, especially since the movie seemed to kinda kid friendly the movie up a tiny bit. Still though, it wasn't nearly as bad at T:S or TDF.
@@nixuniverse5240 Not that bad in comparison to what came after maybe, but at the time... I couldn't believe the shit I was seeing. Atrocious. Just terrible imitation re-shots of what had already been done.
@@HGAMES69 I wanted Salvation to get it's own trilogy personally. The idea of making a machine and then filling it with the memories of a dead human to make it the perfect spy. It really was brilliant.
That's THE AGENDA. Erase history, shit on anything good. It's kind of another expression of the US psychology of destroying any political system that doesn't please the empire. You could say, the chickens are coming home to roost.
One of the things the later sequels failed to capture was the extreme PTSD aspect. Reese was constantly jumpy. He's a guy who hadn't had a good night's sleep or decent meal his whole life and to whom the sound of a dog barking meant death was on the way. He was not a ripped, snarky Jai Courtney. In T2, Sarah Conner was seriously messed up. She knew the future was f'd and her only option was to push herself so she could protect and train her son. She berated her son for being brave, loyal, and loving by saving her. She was tough on the outside, but broken on the inside.
Ikr makes me think of the scene in T2 where they are escaping in the car at night. John thinks his mum is giving him a hug, but she's actually checking him for injuries. Brilliant character moments like that are all the way through T1 and T2.
That's true. When the characters take the story very seriously and show signs of accumulated stress, it tells us, the audience, that the situation is not safe and things may go bad. When the characters don't show signs of stress, it tells us that the story and the stakes are who gives a fuck.....
I agree. I was hoping for a terminator movie set in the future, battling machines with clever human strategy and tactics.....ending with the time displacement scene.....and stopping there. Hoped for a platoon of soldiers getting through more futuristic PTSD moments and helping each other overcome them to defeat mankind's arch-nemesis. No more time travel crap because the prototype was destroyed when Reese was sent in the first movie. Would have to fix a temporal problem created in the original storyline by saying something like, "The temporal field around the chamber insulated us from changes in the timeline, so we could send Reese in after the terminator and still exist to do so. Only then can we turn it off." I guess they are just too young to know what they are doing with something older than the screen writers are. FML.
Robert Patrick wasn't too expensive and he was in fact offered the part of T-1000, but he refused so as not to tarnish his original performance. Which looks pretty wise to me, all things considered.
One of the points you raised, about Jai Courtney playing Kyle Reese, I agree. Michael Biehn in the original looked kinda slim and rugged, fidgety, constantly on edge. And it makes sense. I imagine food is not easy to come by and living your whole life in a warzone would make you a ball of nerves. This Reese looks like a model who's been living the most comfortable life.
Terminator 1: incredible cinema. Terminator 2: perfection. Terminator 3: why? Terminator Salvation: meh, an ok movie but if it was just strictly a prequel to Terminator 1 it would have been a ok addition to the franchise. Terminator Genisys: crap. Terminator Dark Fate: oh, fuck that with a soldering iron.
I really wanted the prequel film to work because it was the only one that wasn't doing the same tired time travel story and I think we all (me still) want to see the future war between mankind and the machines but I can't call salvation a good movie nothing really happens with the plot and John Connor isn't even in charge.
Seriously what everyone actually wanted was something akin to Terminator: Future War (based on Kyle's visions) as a prequel: all the crapworld, grimdark, crawling on the ground with the rats with humanity getting it's ass kicked again and again before John Connor finally giving everyone the first ray of hope in showing Skynet could be defeated by rallying humanity. Every portrayal beyond T1 and T2 of the Future War period is too clean, full of CGI with humanity standing their ground to the vastly superior Skynet and less of a really horrific and brutal meat grinder with John Connor the only "glue" holding what is the last strands of humanity together. True it wouldn't be mass appeal but, for the dedicated fans, it would be gold.
@@harrymills2770 By all rights and common sence, it was. But this can be fixed rather easily, just by adding the original ending of T2. It's only a few minutes long, set 30 years after T2 with Sarah as an old lady and a grandmother, telling how judgment day didn't happen and John Connor was now in the senate.
@Joe Connor not being in charge makes sense, in a way, because -for example- the machines would keep sending cruise missiles to any potential location... This would also make the future war -somewhat- difficult to conceptualize, and film. For sure, humans would need a nuclear power plant as a power source for any laser, or -magnetic- rail-gun defenses - and that would, in turn, create clear targets... You know, or humans would need constant resources and means of production in order to be able to manufacture missile defenses; and, also, there wouldn't be much walking-around on the surface going on: if the machines can (self-replicate and) build Terminators, and other tech (such as weapons, and other), then they'd be able to -also- have a constant supply of nuclear weapons - which would be raining down all over the place, right?
As bad as seeing Daenerys Targaryen as Sara Conner, nothing was a bigger spit to the face than seeing John Connor get killed in Dark Fate...in the first 5 minutes
@@TheBarser Yeah, it was clear the trajectory the franchise was going to take when they were like "what if T3 was sort of like a cross between the T800 and T1000 and what if it was, you know, female? We could call it a... Terminatrix."
T1 was genuinely tense and scary, with brilliant PTSD flashbacks to a post apocalyptic future war, a police station massacre that's still brutal AF, and a great love story by the end. ... Now we have this...
@@johnstrawb3521 they were different kinds of films. T1 was more focused on story and themes, with its main way of telling the story being action. T2 was more focused on action, with its main way of propelling the action being to make a story following t1. T2 is more entertaining, but i agree that t1 is more engaging with its story
Exactly. It's kind of like comparing First Blood with Rambo Part II. The first film introduced a character/universe with a history. The second movie expanded on a single part of the original and amped up the excitement. Terminator 2 was and still is an amazing conclusion to the original story. Everything that came afterward is just fan fiction on the screen.@@grandmasteryoda3594
Michael Biehn's Kyle Reese was scrawny, disheveled, and clearly suffered from PTSD. Jai Courtney comes across as unshakably confident and looks like he's never missed a meal nor a day at the gym.
Exactly, Biehn's Reese was scruffy, beat up and half-feral but felt strong because of his iron will and ability to be vulnerable and honest but also hard and no-bullshit. The whole point was that he wasn't a superhuman like the Terminator was, but humanity had a different kind of strength.
I agree. Biehn's Reese looked like a guy who was just barely surviving, a hardened veteran whose entire life since birth was in the field. Courtney's Reese looked like a guy that spent all his time in the future war lifting, manscaping, and pounding protein shakes.
Biehn's Reese looked like he had been eating rats to survive for decades in a war torn apocalyptic future. Courtney's version is basically impossible, because all the other survivors would have killed him for eating all the protein they have so he could stay jacked.
The most bizarre thing about this movie is that they spoiled what was supposed to be a major plot twist in their own trailer, revealing that Conner was a Terminator.
That fucking ruined the whole movie for me. I thought there was some other big thing due to them showing it, but the further into the movie you go. the more you realise that they actually spoiled the major twist. So dumb...
@@RossTheNinja its funny became of all the post T2 films Salvation had the most potential but they don't want to try to do THAT one right. Salvations problem was that it was not dark enough to feel like what the War of the Machines was like. the Future we were shown was extremely grim yet here it is with A-10s and special forces. in T1 the human rebels were like rats hiding in the ruins yet in the first scene of Salvation we see a SEAL Team like raid with A-10s and Helicopters. Does not seem very desperate to me.
That seems to be a common theme with a lot of these newer, shit movies these days. They put all the "best" bits into the trailer...and thats it. If youve watched the trailer, youve seen the movie. What a waste of (insert the many hundreds of millions of dollars that went into making the trash heap of a movie). Theres starving children in Africa that could have eaten that money. And speaking of, "If youve watched the trailer, youve seen the movie.", maybe thats why studios were always copyright striking content creators for showing the trailers in their videos lol
To be fair to Emilia Clarke, she's given honest post-film interviews detailing some of the issues they encountered making this T: Genisys. Filming was described as chaotic and the director pretty much had one prolonged breakdown throughout. "News of the rocky production traveled, and Clarke says the crew on the famously disastrous Fantastic Four, which was filming nearby, even had jackets made that read, AT LEAST WE’RE NOT ON TERMINATOR. “Just to give you a summary,” she says, laughing." Jason Clarke has also commented on how poor the filming / production experience was, which seems to have stemmed from the producers (what a surprise!)
I don't blame those actors. The amount of special effects makes acting into pantomime. Almost nothing we can see in the move actually exists so they have to imagine it- and its not like they are creative to begin with.
I really like Salvation. It had the balls to not just rehash the same shit. Plus it finally showed how deadly the machines rule was, which pretty much everyone wanted to see.
It had the dumbest story though. Create a human terminator and lure John to Skynet to......ambush him with 1 terminator. WHAT. DA. FUCK. Why not put a nuke inside the human terminator and once he makes contact with john detonate it? Why not lure John Connor to a Skynet facilite rigged with explosives and once he enters the building. Detonate it? Or at least ambush John with a 100 terminators instead of just one. Again, dumbest story ever.
Genisys had the worst action scenes totally interchangeable and not relevant to the plot really. Salvation had the best action scenes except with tacky Transformer robots and the action only reminds you of how little you care about the characters or the outcome of the movie
As someone who enjoyed the Sarah Connor Chronicles, I hope Netflix or some other streaming service lets more creative people expand the worldbuilding and move on from recycling the same themes and characters. I feel like the first 30 minutes of Salvation and some worldbuilding like Horizon Zero Dawn would be a great jumping off point for post-Apocalyptic stories.
Um, no. Brie Laughingather would not have been a better choice. She's idiotic, at best, which is a shame because she had a movie personality about her in the early years; while she were still pretending to have a different personality (than that of a female police officer, which you just want to drop kick without even engaging in conversation. ;))
Dark Fate tried to erase the previous movies, Genisys tried to co-opt and reboot them for its own purposes. Picking which is worse is like trying to pick which sharp object you'd rather step on in your bare feet.
Man, I just realized that John must've instructed the t800 to say "come with me if you wanna live" because he knew Sarah would recognize it from Kyle saying that to her. I feel dumb for taking so long to catch this. I miss the time when movies were subtle and smart.
In T2, Linda Hamilton handled weapons like she knew what she was doing. She was muscular and looked strong. She absolutely convinced audiences that she was ready for combat. Emilia Clark never did. As you said, she looks like someone's sister playing dress up for Halloween.
And what is do bad about getting actors dirty? Reese looked like he came off a photo shoot rather than the battle scarred and starved soldier like he did in T1.
@@reikun86 I know - in Genesys, the war sounded like it a walk in the park and the terminators were easy to fool and, with enough humans, they could win the day. In The Terminator, the war was horrible and everyday was going to be the day that a Terminator would in and butcher you whilst you, your mates and your guns, did jack s**t to them. Michael Biehn was socially cold and unforgiving (due to the war and the robots who hunted him) was made the portrayal of Reese being a badass and tragic when he rediscovered his humanity with Sarah.
Linda Hamilton looked like a complete badass, to the point that she was actually scary. I could absolutely imagine her fighting in some small South American jungle war, just for the hell of it.
The series ended with the end of the Sarah Connor chronicles. Which is technically referencing T3, but immediately retcons it with some time travel. So only T1 and T2 are canon for that show.
These franchise-fails really bring it home with a mallet what a beautiful work of art T2 was. The casting, screenplay, cinematography, pacing. Sublime.
In Emilia Clarke's defense: she actually said in an interview that she truly regrets starring in this crapfest. Quote: ''Yeah, taking the role of Sarah Connor was a bad idea...''
She's got some talent, but she's got to play to her strengths. She's basically the English Rose type, I think she's quickly coped on to it and it's proven successful for her. She seems like a cool person in real life, Stuff like Me before You and Last Christmas is where she shines, sappy or dramatic romantic films or comedies. English version of Meg Ryan basically. Take her out of that genre and she just feels out of place.
As for Sophie Turner and Emilia Clarke, remember back when television actors stuck to television roles and only the exceptional made the big leap to the big screen? Now it's like if you're part of a remotely successful TV show you're automatically expect to land a big blockbuster role. I like Emilia and Sophie but they are not great actors. But if you see Peter Dinklage or Charles Dance on the big screen it's like they belong there.
In Sophie Turner's defense, she is pretty shit in GoT as well. edit: Since a few kind folks have suggested I got the wrong actress, I am referencing Drinker's comment around 13:00 - 13:12
She was great in the earlier seasons. She played the innocent naive noble girl really well. Once later seasons came and she became a "tough girl" it was just silly
@@Ricardo-cl3vs bullshit! He will still and always will be widely beloved and remembered and respected by billions of people and fans worldwide (right there with Robert Downey Jr, Al Pacino and Sylvester Stallone) more than any shitty big actor ever will be in the next 40 years right now, definitely. Arnie has a very mega huge fanbase, more than even your favorite actor, loser
Just wanted to point out that the T1 Kyle Reese wasn't scrawny nor skinny. He was in peak form, lean AND strong, just like an efficient soldier would be. The modern hyper jacked look is just a temporary deformation of the understanding of human perfection, much like the baboonish lips many girls aspire to. I would much rather have an army of fit, fast and resilient soldiers than an army I must provide 10k calories a day for each soldier, two workouts plus the time required for recovery and plenty of mirrors so they can check on their progress.
I don’t get why Arnie is willing to return to the Terminator franchise, despite it multiple failures. Yet, he refuses to reprise his role as an older Dutch in the Predator movies.
Arnold is a great man, but he doesn’t understand the value of storytelling. The story was completed after T2, anything else to come after that was pretty much doomed to be gratuitous and stale. As Walter White said in BB, you want them to miss you when you’re gone.
My recurring pipe dream includes Arnold reprising his role in Conan as a disillusioned, jaded old king surrounded by backstabbing courtiers. With the right script, and his experience as Governor the man might play it real enough to win an Oscar.
If you went back and looked at the original, you'd notice that Kyle Reese looks exactly like the kind of person that would come from a war-torn future: emaciated, scarred, beaten and tired. They really went through the effort of creating a sense of verisimilitude and selling the idea that Kyle's future really took its toll on him. And of course, despite spending his whole life fighting off deadly androids, he treated even a single T-800 with dead seriousness because he knew exactly what they were capable of. Meanwhile, Jai Courtney looks buff, hale and without even a scratch or bruise on him. There's no way in hell that guy could convince you he's a soldier from a ravaged world where he'd most likely live off of rations and fight dangerous androids on a daily basis. They couldn't even get such minor details as "looking like a battle-scarred soldier" right. Then again, they couldn't even get those 3 street punks to look right so why am I even surprised? And of course, the guy seems borderline nonplussed when confronted with not only a T-800 but even the more advanced T-1000, both of whom took an entire movie to put down respectively, whereas here they're dispatched with barely any effort at all. Hell, even Salvation handled it better, considering how hard it was to put that one T-800 down. This movie was just a complete mess.
When it comes to terminator movies 1 &2 are the best. 3 just seems like there is something off about it, but actually seeing judgment day and the machines coming online was interesting. Terminator salvations has to be the 3rd best movie of that series. Having it be about the humans vs machines is really the only thing that they hadn’t covered in the franchise. It really shouldn’t have been a franchise, it should have ended at 2. Would have been perfect.
The scene where Sarah Connor and John appear naked in the middle of a highway was shamelessly cribbed from "The Sarah Connor Chronicles" TV show, which was actually an interesting and worthwhile development of the Terminator story line.
That scene is on the bonus disc for the T2 Ultimate Edition. Let me consult the oracle . . . Edit: found the clip! Linky-thingy: ruclips.net/video/njS1__eM5U0/видео.html
These new-ish Terminator movies are designed to: 1. Piss off the Drinker, and by association - us. 2. Hold the rights to make another Terminator movie. Return to 1.
@@fattiger6957 it is not about making money, it is about being sure other people aren't making money. Hollywood is so rich they transcended the need for money, they are just pety assholes now.
@@Noperare If the Earth dies in a nuclear holocaust, I will die happy knowing those Hollywood bastards die with me. Because no matter where I end up, I know they are going to hell. :D
@@shorewall I'm right with you on the sentiment, but the Earth won't die in a nucelar holocaust. The Earth will die (more to the point, evaporate) when the sun expands beyond the orbit of Mars in about 4.5 billion years. A nucelar holocaust would, at best, temporarily sterilize and contaminate part of the Earth's surface.
I am really trying to understand how so many talentless hacks, bereft of imagination, worked their way into so many different decision making positions across all industries and institutions. Was it always this bad?
With respect to extending old franchises I place the blame in the audience. A lot of people pay money to see recycled versions of good movies from their youth, out of nostalgia or whatever. The minute it’s no longer profitable , studios will try something else.
Terminator had a great way to shrug off how the time travel stuff worked. When Reese was being questioned by the police, they asked some technical questions about the time machine. His answer? "I didn't build the f*cking thing!"
Next Terminator will be directed by Paul Fieg and stars that black lady from Ghostbusters 2016 as the new terminator. Of course, they will bring in Arnold to humiliate him once again.
"Hey, remember how furious everyone got when we made John Connor the bad guy in Genisys?" "Yeah, the studio can't risk that kind of backlash again in Dark Fate. Just give him both barrels in the cold open."
That was Tim Miller and his desire to not have John Connor as a messiah figure. Instead we get some little Mexican chick to take his place who looks like she weighs 130 lbs soaking wet and who looks like she couldn’t intimidate a child who’s supposed to be the new future resistance leader. Total misfire. I hope they’re finally done milking the series. Hopefully T2 will just be revealed to be the true end as it so clearly is and all the other misfires are are just alternate scenarios.
“Wow, people didn’t like that we killed off John in the last one” “Yeah.. we definitely shouldn’t do that again... So James Cameron, what’s your idea for Dark Fate?” James: “let’s murder John Connor”
Am I the only one who genuinely likes Terminator: Salvation? Yeah, the double agent thing is kinda too much, but it's nice they showed "the future" instead of rehashing Terminator 2 again
I kinda like Salvation. More than T3. Started well, but went downhill halfway. Pacing problems. By the time the climatic scene happened, I just did not feel any trills. Should have been cool. Was just so- so. But yes, the only way is to show the future world. Though it did remind me of Captain Power ....
James Cameroon himself once said that the story ended with T2: Judgment Day. And I 100% agree with him. None of the other movies in the franchisee exist for me. I have unseen them and forgotten them.
@@DzinkyDzink yes, and others from the old world being lead astray by skynet, which wouldn't be a physical power for a few years and would absolutely need human 'allies' to establish its independence.
@@paulholmes8398 how about robocop predator aliens or anything that was from the 70s/80s/90s that got a reboot I dunno about you but if a heard there is a reboot from a classic film i just know its bad
Jai Courtney telling his childhood self to remember that date for the future is the equivalent of Bill and Ted reminding themselves to set those booby traps to help out their future selves. Except Bill and Ted were in a comedy.
The only terminator movie I like after the first 2 is salvation It had interesting ideas Included the t-600 terminator Marcus was an interesting addition and character why we didn't get a salvation trilogy over 3 genesis and dark fate is beyond me .
I’m not joking, throughout watching the movie I was thinking to myself “is that supposed to be 1984 Sarah Conor or like a younger version of her from the past?”
tell that to 80% of avengers movies. There is a LOT of cgi that you don't even know is cgi. T2 was crafted with attention and love, genisys was quick cashgrab. It's not effects that are wrong, but studios treatment of them, using them like autotune to just "fix everything in post"
If any of you play games, Terminator Resistance is pretty decent too for what it is since the developer straight up ignore any Terminator movie other than 1 and 2 in terms of continuity (plus its a masterpiece compared to their last game which is Rambo The Vedio Game).
Honestly, Salvation works pretty well as a prequel. The actor playing Kyle Reese (Anton Yelchin) not only looks just like him, but emulates him really well. It genuinely feels like a Reese origin story. As far as I'm concerned, Terminator is a trilogy: T4, T1, T2 -- in that order.
It should have been strictly a prequel to t1, not a sequel to t3. If it had ignored t3 and strictly followed the original timeline from before john and sarah destroyed skynet, it might have been a good movie
I don’t like the way it looks. It’s dosnt look like a terminator film in a lot of ways to me. In T2 and T1 the future scenes where always dark and the lighting blue and yea…why couldn’t it be more like that ?
@@AstralWolf86 I'm fine with it as something that happened before. The flashbacks from T1 genuinely feel like a sequel to T4 and part of that is because it feels like things have gotten worse. The world is darker and there are more advanced weapons. That said, I would have loved a dark blue version of Salvation, but I was fine with the tan "war in the Middle East" vibe they were going for.
In a post apocalyptic future where the world is gone, hunted like rats and is covered in radiation... all the soldiers are well feed, buff with abbs, protein powder and weights. Not ill, thin, hungry rebels who are psychologically damaged, but nah it will be fine
And consider Terminator was made in the 80s. The era of the buffed out, steroided, muscle-man hero archetype. Reese was not the typical hero of the time.
As someone who has conceived of sci-fi scenarios, I think I see a way to finally give the Terminator franchise a decent burial. Consider this: "T1" had the machines going back in time, to stop the resistance from ever forming. "T2" had the humans of the present trying to stop the machines from ever being built. This resulted in an endless time loop. One person or company may be prevented from building the machine---only to find that someone else built it, under a different name ("Skynet", "Genisys", "Legion", etc). The technology is already out there, just waiting for someone to pick it up. How to solve this? Possibly, allow the machine to be built, but ensure that it's programming is different. Perhaps, instead of a prime directive of "Neutralize the Enemy", maybe, "Protect Humanity". Or, before allowing the machine to take control of anything, have it run through a series of simulations, so that it comes to a realization---similar to WOPR in "War Games". This would not be an action flick, but more of a psychological thriller with intrigue and deep philosophical questions. The franchise could then be put to bed, in perpetuity. ---Just a thought.
I can't think of another movie that literally made my head hurt from the complete lack of logic. Mainly from the way the character JK Simmons played who was citing events from the original Terminator that couldn't have happened because the time travelling happened before those events could take place.
I genuinely believe Terminator could have been saved if they stayed in the future after Salvation. I'd much rather see the war now instead of the past again and again.
I'd been wishing for it since I saw Terminator as a kid in the 80s. Got my hopes up when T3 just forced the issue by letting Judgment Day happen. Was drooling when Salvation came out (mostly anyway). Irritated when they leaped backward with Genisys. Didn't watch Dark Fate. I've seen too many of my favorite sci-fi franchises growing up turn to shit because no one can be bothered to be creative or respectful today. I get the feeling this middling ground of mediocre has always been the norm.
Yes that could have owrked. Even if that movie had some really dumb moments. However I do like the idea of multiple events of time travel overlapping and changing things. Also the idea of an Arnold Terminator raising a little girl is funny to me.
Yep. And remember it is this sentiment that has led to Salvation being more forgivable now. Because at least they tried something. Unlike Genysis (my grandkids will help save the future) and Dark Fate (my grandma will save the future). The timeline and time travel in this movie is like trying to travel across the USA on foot while reading a Map of China instead.
@@PolMer_90210 In the sarah connor chronicles tv show I think the final episode of the final season involved jumping to the future where I imagine at least some of the 4th season would have happened if it existed.
One of Hamilton's strong points for the role was that she was ordinary-looking, which added to the gritty realism element. Clarke is too cute for that. Then Hamilton took several levels in hardcore for T2, and it SHOWED. I doubt many female actors could do that, especially ones who can't risk spoiling their ability to play cheerleaders and such.
The brilliance of the first Terminator is seriously underrated, as much as I love T2, T1 works best on its own. It's really about Skynet, an AI trying to win a war against a mysterious human leader that came out of nowhere-he's unpredictable, and somehow knows how to hit Skynet exactly when and where. It decides the best way to eliminate him is to go back in time to root him out before he festers, but in doing so, it facilitates his birth and thus assuring its own demise. The time paradox is not a plot hole at all but a feature. The time loop closes perfectly at the end of T1 and makes it one of the best sci-fi movies ever made.
@@joejitsu034 Absolutely agreed! T2 is a brilliant sequel but also an action adventure reimagining/remake of T1 that also works perfectly on its own, perhaps as a separate timeline or a parallel reality with a definitive happy outcome.
@@joejitsu034 i’ve never understood the setup of T2 tho. why did skynet wait 10 yrs to kill john? kyle said that they needed to kill SARAH so they could totally erase john’s existence. why not send another one after pregnant sarah???
@@trevorfrenk4137 They lived off the grid for years after T1. It was only when they were caught by the authorities, with Sarah placed in an institution, and John in foster care, that they became trackable again.
You should do a review for Terminator Salvation. My head cannon is T, T2, TS. It gives you a legitimate result of John Connor's upbringing due to his past experiences, has new terminators, and most importantly continues the time loop from T and T2 to ensure it continues as it does, which means they paid attention to the overarching story and stayed faithful.
It actually took me a long, long time (maybe longer that it should have) to realize the goal wasn't to save civilization as we know it, or to stop Judgement Day, but to just plain save HUMANITY in the future. Thats where John was the hero that defeated Skynet. Its why 3 isn't actually the downer ending it seems like it is, and Salvation just needed to show the victory. It should have ended with something like the beginning of Genysis. I wonder if theres a fanedit that does that?
The main problem with this movie, is how no previous protector sent back by the resistance knew that you could beat up a T1000 with an old speaker magnet. Though, to be fair, it's an extremely obscure weakness to have. Much like Megatron's peanut allergy.
Genisys is like... if there was a Batman movie where the Joker brainwashes Batman within the first 5 or 10 mins of the movie and then he goes off screen, while Batman becomes the main villain, running around Gotham robbing banks and killing people and doing all kinds of evil stuff until it's up to Robin to kill him in the last act and Robin barely kills Batman, and then the Joker is revealed to be still hiding somewhere at the epilogue. That's just how bad Genisys was.
How about the glaring plothole that is: Sarah and Kyle never slept together in 1984 but jumped straight to 2017, thus John was never born -> Skynet wins by default? The Sarah Connor Chronicles is the only "thing" that managed to capture the oldschool Terminator. Shame it had to end so early.
Terminator 9 : Disguised as a violin player in the orchestra,a customised T.800 terminator goes back in time aboard the Titanic to save Sarah Connors great great great grandpapa by stopping the evil T.9000 liquid gas terminator from pushing an iceberg into the path of the ship using omni-directional concentrated gaseous exchanges. Just in time the T.800 ejects his customised circulatory fluid valve mechanism at the T.9000 - the explosion destroying it completely. Sarah Connors great great great grandpapa puts his hand on the shoulder of the dying T.800 thanking him for his sacrifice.The T.800 as last gesture opens his mouth in a wide grin and sings in a loud clear falsetto voice ‘My Heart Will Go On’
"I've said it before that the Terminator really isn't a concept that can support a big ongoing franchises like this" - so true. And what's been forgotten is that T1 was a stalker movie with a twist, T2 was an action movie based on the premise of T1 without explaining too much backstory. Terminator in essence is a horror-style sci-fi 'franchise', not a bigger world that needed explanation. But hey, I liked Terminator Salvation so what do I know?
I too liked Salvation at first. Bought the dvd upon release. Now it just fades into the pit of unappealing Sam Worthington movies we own but never watch again. The guy is an absolute block of wood. Bale didn't exactly carry the dead weight either. I've thought a lot about what I would do with Salvation if it were my own to make. I would have had it be the story of John Connor starting the resistance from the ground up. The flying carrier ship was super cool so I would keep that and all its robotic crew that break down to the motorcycle level. I would have the carrier ship be hunting down John Connor and he would come across pockets of survivors that either tell him to leave them alone or join up with him to help take down the carrier at the end. Would have had Anton Yelchin play the part of John Connor because he's actually watchable. RIP
Salvation tried to take the series into the future war I honestly think it's the only logical place to go after T2, and three other movies seem to confirm that Hell, when I heard T2 was happening, I assumed it would be set in the future war
I’m happy that you made this video because I want to go see this movie in theaters with my fiancé and I fell asleep I honestly don’t remember 3/4 of the movie in fact all the explosions woke me up and I would look and go ‘that’s cool’ and fall asleep again and then I woke up and found out John Connor was a terminator and then felt no need to stay awake for the rest of the movie.
"all I wanted from this franchise was the machine war" I really not often do that, and can't really say i can recommend it... but have you seen Termiantor:Resistance game?
Same here! As bad as T3 was, the ending still promised that eventually we'd get to see a war movie taking place in 2029. Salvation was clearly taking the franchise in that direction, and didn't bother with time travel because the writers knew it was no longer necessary. Genysis was a sad, pathetic case of Hollywood making a safe movie that came across as a near-remake, all for more money. Sure, we still got that war in 2029... during the opening credits!
I excitedly and naively bought Geneshits on blue ray as soon as it came out - watched it once with what must have been a been an expression of someone who thought their cake had extra chocolate sprinkles but then after eating a slice discovered that mice had been getting in the kitchen. The disc hasn’t seen daylight since.
They make an effort to make the Terminator look 100% like it did in Terminator 1, but made zero effort to make Sara and Kyle look like they did in the original movie. Strange, and confusing at first.
After watching Genisys I just wrote it off as non-canon. I didn't even bother with Dark Fate. T3 and Salvation weren't good, but they're mostly harmless to the franchise as a whole. Still, the series should've stopped after 2.
@@EliWintercross Salvation has a good concept. Finally ditching the time travel/chase concept from the first three movies, it was starting to get really stale by T3. Focusing on the war. The execution was pretty bad though.
At least T3 followed T2 and didn't try to retcon the series. Also, you could tell they were really trying to make a good movie with it. There were some great ideas and moments, but it just couldn't live up to the first two movies. Everything after was just nothing more than cash grab.
I enjoyed the Terminator movies all the way up to Salvation, and I agree; they were mostly harmless. Genisys was just an absolute train-wreck, employing a 'scorched earth policy' to the previous movies and just making everything way too confusing and trying to do too much. I would've loved to see this story from Skynet's side, and hear Skynet's thoughts; see the story from the Machine's side and erasing Humanity for their own good. That would have been evil and I would've enjoyed every second of it!
They should've dumped the repetitive time travel formula after the second film and continued the story with new lores and characters to tell the story about Skynet waking up, human machine war etc.
That could have been interesting. I think they got spooked when Salvation didn't do as well as they had hoped and so they went running back to popular characters for nostalgia value. Problem is their timeline had been effectively closed so it took a lot of nonsense and retconning to bring them back.
James Cameron was originally set to direct a 3rd Terminator film in the 90s, but the studio went bankrupt and that was the downfall of the series. Cameron moved on to True Lies, Titanic and of course Avatar. I always wonder what a proper T3 would have looked like.
The human element and survival aspect would have been immensely interesting even if just a short one season series. You can’t brute force the monsters, you have to use your wits and be scrappy about it and would allow the main story to go do its thing of being awesome. Shame they only made 2 movies…
9:51 - In defense of the ridiculous coincidences, I think that's more of a statement on how Time Travel works, that by going back in time, you're pre-determined to do things that from the other side seems like a coincidence. But in reality, it's the time travel that ensures those things happen, like fate. I also think, beyond the negative feedback from longtime fans, this installment of the terminator was more like a reimagining of the time travel laws within the series than the 'next stage in the saga' that fans wanted.
The metal skeleton in the first Terminator was scary. In the first of the sequels it looked like a Halloween trinket. The future battles in the first movie were scenes from hell. In the Judgment Day movie they looked like children's laser-tag. How much money was spent, how little was achieved. The makers of the sequels made a big mistake in bringing human qualities to the robots. Schwarzenegger would have made a stronger impression as a good robot in the sequels if he had stuck to the stilted expression of the bad robot in the first movie. A terminator is always an ominous entity, even if it had good intentions. There is no warmth in the touch of a metal hand. If a being that was created to be bad decided to be good, it would still have that inherent quality of badness, and that would dictate its relations with people, no matter how much help it gave to them. That would be a powerful theme in a movie. If robots really were to take over the world, we humans would lose the war the minute we started seeing signs of personality and emotion in the machines. An illusion of humanity where there is none is what would enslave us.
I was in one of the test screenings for the movie and EVERYONE there told the Paramount numbskulls not to put the John Conner reveal in the trailer. Man they just couldn't help themselves. Most everyone also hated how much Arnold smiled. They decided to highlight that. I think they were trying to kill the franchise to be honest.
Yes because it's obviously a plan to destroy pop culture. Cinema is a business and suddenly they don't give a shit any more about customer review? They don't give a shit about losing millions?
"The Sarah Connor Chronicles"" TV series was actually pretty decent, one of the few Terminator spinoffs to carry its own weight. Naturally it got cancelled. Drinker should do a review of that.
ngl, if it wasn't for that horrible twist at the end I lowkey liked that future set terminator movie with Christian Bale a lot. Too bad they pulled the rug under our feet at the last minute and broke what could be a good terminator movie set in the future.
The whole point of the first Terminator film was that Skynet was doing a Hail Mary pass - sending one machine back in time to stop defeat, and Reese says that Skynet sent back one machine. Now, Terminator 2 was such a good film that I didn’t mind that Cameron went back to the well one more time. However, now it is ridiculous with multiple terminators coming back in time through multiple universes. What is the point if our heroes win in this movie, another terminator will come. It is as story-defeating as if the Empire had 600 Death Stars.
T2 is an amazing film. That being said, the logic that the T1000 was not sent initially or even as a counterpart to the first Terminator doesn't make any logical sense for the insane A.I. that Skynet is. You can effectively rip apart the entire storyline if you really wanted to. Genysis is not amazing, I just really enjoy that they tried to tie it back to the original two.
The fact that these movies completely abandoned practical effects, and incredible set pieces, is another huge problem. The effects in T2, have aged like a fine wine.
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If you have the DVDs of Terminator and T2 just keep those and leave it there.
Jack Daniels, if you please.
Watch primal, it’s a very good animated show
Can you do a review of the good the bad and the ugly?
What about Terminator Dark Fate?
The producers of the terminator franchise can't be bargained with, can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear... And they absolutely will not stop - ever! ... Until the franchise is dead.
Let's hope it finally died with Dark Fate.
@@ViktorKralovic I always thought Dark Fate referred to the franchise. I’m convinced it is referring to the franchise.
Not dead.
Terminated.
@demonbre, 🤣🤣I get it 🤣🤣
No dark fate but what we make
- the producers, probably
I really love Terminator 2. *Too bad they never made any sequels*
Honestly, T3 really wasn't THAT bad.
Edit : If you're into the horror aspect of Terminator movies then i can totally understand why you wouldn't like T3, especially since the movie seemed to kinda kid friendly the movie up a tiny bit. Still though, it wasn't nearly as bad at T:S or TDF.
Hot take: Terminator Salvation was the best movie after the first two movies.
@@nixuniverse5240 Not that bad in comparison to what came after maybe, but at the time... I couldn't believe the shit I was seeing. Atrocious. Just terrible imitation re-shots of what had already been done.
Smartest comment I've read this year.
@@HGAMES69 I wanted Salvation to get it's own trilogy personally. The idea of making a machine and then filling it with the memories of a dead human to make it the perfect spy. It really was brilliant.
"Making a bad movie wasn't enough, they have to go back in time and erase the movies you like".
- Screen Junkies
That's THE AGENDA. Erase history, shit on anything good. It's kind of another expression of the US psychology of destroying any political system that doesn't please the empire. You could say, the chickens are coming home to roost.
Why is this Kyle Reese so buff?
Did he eat all the food, lift weights and inject steroids, while all the rest suffered and starved, wtf man
I know right, this guy’s far less likeable than the original one.
he ate babies like snowpiercer
Like the Walking Dead they were supposed to be starving but theyre all healthy and ripped instead of looking anorexic
One of the things the later sequels failed to capture was the extreme PTSD aspect. Reese was constantly jumpy. He's a guy who hadn't had a good night's sleep or decent meal his whole life and to whom the sound of a dog barking meant death was on the way. He was not a ripped, snarky Jai Courtney.
In T2, Sarah Conner was seriously messed up. She knew the future was f'd and her only option was to push herself so she could protect and train her son. She berated her son for being brave, loyal, and loving by saving her. She was tough on the outside, but broken on the inside.
Ikr makes me think of the scene in T2 where they are escaping in the car at night. John thinks his mum is giving him a hug, but she's actually checking him for injuries. Brilliant character moments like that are all the way through T1 and T2.
That's true.
When the characters take the story very seriously and show signs of accumulated stress, it tells us, the audience, that the situation is not safe and things may go bad. When the characters don't show signs of stress, it tells us that the story and the stakes are who gives a fuck.....
I agree. I was hoping for a terminator movie set in the future, battling machines with clever human strategy and tactics.....ending with the time displacement scene.....and stopping there. Hoped for a platoon of soldiers getting through more futuristic PTSD moments and helping each other overcome them to defeat mankind's arch-nemesis.
No more time travel crap because the prototype was destroyed when Reese was sent in the first movie. Would have to fix a temporal problem created in the original storyline by saying something like, "The temporal field around the chamber insulated us from changes in the timeline, so we could send Reese in after the terminator and still exist to do so. Only then can we turn it off."
I guess they are just too young to know what they are doing with something older than the screen writers are. FML.
Agreed!
@@revolverswitch Anton Yelchin was an underrated actor. Damn sad what happened to him.
Robert Patrick wasn't too expensive and he was in fact offered the part of T-1000, but he refused so as not to tarnish his original performance. Which looks pretty wise to me, all things considered.
Glad to hear he made that decision. His original role is stellar.
Clever guy. The actor that replaced him isn't bad. But the movie is bad.
I thought he did it because he said im to old ohh well at least he dogged a bullet
@@jackdonith at least its better then dark fate
Good on him.
One of the points you raised, about Jai Courtney playing Kyle Reese, I agree.
Michael Biehn in the original looked kinda slim and rugged, fidgety, constantly on edge.
And it makes sense. I imagine food is not easy to come by and living your whole life in a warzone would make you a ball of nerves.
This Reese looks like a model who's been living the most comfortable life.
Terminator 1: incredible cinema.
Terminator 2: perfection.
Terminator 3: why?
Terminator Salvation: meh, an ok movie but if it was just strictly a prequel to Terminator 1 it would have been a ok addition to the franchise.
Terminator Genisys: crap.
Terminator Dark Fate: oh, fuck that with a soldering iron.
I really wanted the prequel film to work because it was the only one that wasn't doing the same tired time travel story and I think we all (me still) want to see the future war between mankind and the machines but I can't call salvation a good movie nothing really happens with the plot and John Connor isn't even in charge.
Seriously what everyone actually wanted was something akin to Terminator: Future War (based on Kyle's visions) as a prequel: all the crapworld, grimdark, crawling on the ground with the rats with humanity getting it's ass kicked again and again before John Connor finally giving everyone the first ray of hope in showing Skynet could be defeated by rallying humanity. Every portrayal beyond T1 and T2 of the Future War period is too clean, full of CGI with humanity standing their ground to the vastly superior Skynet and less of a really horrific and brutal meat grinder with John Connor the only "glue" holding what is the last strands of humanity together. True it wouldn't be mass appeal but, for the dedicated fans, it would be gold.
Yeah. T2 should've been the end of it.
@@harrymills2770 By all rights and common sence, it was. But this can be fixed rather easily, just by adding the original ending of T2. It's only a few minutes long, set 30 years after T2 with Sarah as an old lady and a grandmother, telling how judgment day didn't happen and John Connor was now in the senate.
@Joe Connor not being in charge makes sense, in a way, because -for example- the machines would keep sending cruise missiles to any potential location... This would also make the future war -somewhat- difficult to conceptualize, and film. For sure, humans would need a nuclear power plant as a power source for any laser, or -magnetic- rail-gun defenses - and that would, in turn, create clear targets... You know, or humans would need constant resources and means of production in order to be able to manufacture missile defenses; and, also, there wouldn't be much walking-around on the surface going on: if the machines can (self-replicate and) build Terminators, and other tech (such as weapons, and other), then they'd be able to -also- have a constant supply of nuclear weapons - which would be raining down all over the place, right?
As bad as seeing Daenerys Targaryen as Sara Conner, nothing was a bigger spit to the face than seeing John Connor get killed in Dark Fate...in the first 5 minutes
Considering they made him the previous villain in Genesys, I didn't think they could get any worse, but Dark Fate showed it could.
@@ohnosmoarlulcatz both equally bad.
I can only get so disappointed
But but muh diversity!
@@ohnosmoarlulcatz They had the *decency* to reboot the timeline _before_ ruining John Connor
It's a miracle how every Terminator Movie after T3 makes us go:
"Maybe the last one wasn't so bad after All"
Terminator 3 was also pretty bad imo
@@TheBarser Yeah, it was clear the trajectory the franchise was going to take when they were like "what if T3 was sort of like a cross between the T800 and T1000 and what if it was, you know, female? We could call it a... Terminatrix."
I think it might seem like that but every post T2 sequel disrespects the franchise in its own way. It’s like debating which piece of shit smells worse
It was the foreshadowing for Disney nuWars.
Hahaha yeah
Critical Drinker appears from the future and finds Sara Connor - “Come with me if you want to drink”
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Sarah Connor replies, "Nah, it'll be fine."
😅😂🤣👍
More like
"Drink with me if you want to live"
(This became unintentionally villainous now)
@@mincelamon1680
🤣 That’s good.
T1 was genuinely tense and scary, with brilliant PTSD flashbacks to a post apocalyptic future war, a police station massacre that's still brutal AF, and a great love story by the end. ... Now we have this...
Not to mention the first was brilliant, and the second simply wasn't. That T2 is thought of as some kind of great film is just pitiful.
@@johnstrawb3521 Millions of people would say otherwise.
@@johnstrawb3521 it was good as an action movie and ramped the stakes well. The slasher feel was gone but both are great with different angles
@@johnstrawb3521 they were different kinds of films. T1 was more focused on story and themes, with its main way of telling the story being action. T2 was more focused on action, with its main way of propelling the action being to make a story following t1. T2 is more entertaining, but i agree that t1 is more engaging with its story
Exactly. It's kind of like comparing First Blood with Rambo Part II. The first film introduced a character/universe with a history. The second movie expanded on a single part of the original and amped up the excitement. Terminator 2 was and still is an amazing conclusion to the original story. Everything that came afterward is just fan fiction on the screen.@@grandmasteryoda3594
Michael Biehn's Kyle Reese was scrawny, disheveled, and clearly suffered from PTSD. Jai Courtney comes across as unshakably confident and looks like he's never missed a meal nor a day at the gym.
Exactly, Biehn's Reese was scruffy, beat up and half-feral but felt strong because of his iron will and ability to be vulnerable and honest but also hard and no-bullshit.
The whole point was that he wasn't a superhuman like the Terminator was, but humanity had a different kind of strength.
Also looks dumb af
I agree. Biehn's Reese looked like a guy who was just barely surviving, a hardened veteran whose entire life since birth was in the field. Courtney's Reese looked like a guy that spent all his time in the future war lifting, manscaping, and pounding protein shakes.
Biehn's Reese looked like he had been eating rats to survive for decades in a war torn apocalyptic future. Courtney's version is basically impossible, because all the other survivors would have killed him for eating all the protein they have so he could stay jacked.
Also, Biehns Kyle Reese looks sort of tough in the same way T1 John Connor did, making it more believable for them to be related
The most bizarre thing about this movie is that they spoiled what was supposed to be a major plot twist in their own trailer, revealing that Conner was a Terminator.
That fucking ruined the whole movie for me. I thought there was some other big thing due to them showing it, but the further into the movie you go. the more you realise that they actually spoiled the major twist. So dumb...
Did the same thing with Salvation. It's like they're not even trying
Bit like BvS. BvS trailer literally revealed that Wonder Woman would show up and Dommsday would show up as well
@@RossTheNinja its funny became of all the post T2 films Salvation had the most potential but they don't want to try to do THAT one right. Salvations problem was that it was not dark enough to feel like what the War of the Machines was like. the Future we were shown was extremely grim yet here it is with A-10s and special forces. in T1 the human rebels were like rats hiding in the ruins yet in the first scene of Salvation we see a SEAL Team like raid with A-10s and Helicopters.
Does not seem very desperate to me.
That seems to be a common theme with a lot of these newer, shit movies these days. They put all the "best" bits into the trailer...and thats it. If youve watched the trailer, youve seen the movie. What a waste of (insert the many hundreds of millions of dollars that went into making the trash heap of a movie). Theres starving children in Africa that could have eaten that money.
And speaking of, "If youve watched the trailer, youve seen the movie.", maybe thats why studios were always copyright striking content creators for showing the trailers in their videos lol
To be fair to Emilia Clarke, she's given honest post-film interviews detailing some of the issues they encountered making this T: Genisys. Filming was described as chaotic and the director pretty much had one prolonged breakdown throughout.
"News of the rocky production traveled, and Clarke says the crew on the famously disastrous Fantastic Four, which was filming nearby, even had jackets made that read, AT LEAST WE’RE NOT ON TERMINATOR. “Just to give you a summary,” she says, laughing."
Jason Clarke has also commented on how poor the filming / production experience was, which seems to have stemmed from the producers (what a surprise!)
Emilia Clarke is a treasure and deserves better movies.
I don't blame those actors. The amount of special effects makes acting into pantomime. Almost nothing we can see in the move actually exists so they have to imagine it- and its not like they are creative to begin with.
I don't think she needs you to be her white knight 😂
I really like Salvation. It had the balls to not just rehash the same shit. Plus it finally showed how deadly the machines rule was, which pretty much everyone wanted to see.
I like the set up idea, mcg didn't execute it well.
It had the dumbest story though. Create a human terminator and lure John to Skynet to......ambush him with 1 terminator. WHAT. DA. FUCK. Why not put a nuke inside the human terminator and once he makes contact with john detonate it? Why not lure John Connor to a Skynet facilite rigged with explosives and once he enters the building. Detonate it? Or at least ambush John with a 100 terminators instead of just one. Again, dumbest story ever.
Genisys had the worst action scenes totally interchangeable and not relevant to the plot really. Salvation had the best action scenes except with tacky Transformer robots
and the action only reminds you of how little you care about the characters or the outcome of the movie
The next Terminator movie should involve Arnie going back to the past to prevent any further sequels being made after T2.
Try watching HISHE version of Dark Fate
You do see the paradox there, don’t you? 😂
@@MGForums They would making a sequel about not making sequels...
Dun dun dun, da-dun
As someone who enjoyed the Sarah Connor Chronicles, I hope Netflix or some other streaming service lets more creative people expand the worldbuilding and move on from recycling the same themes and characters. I feel like the first 30 minutes of Salvation and some worldbuilding like Horizon Zero Dawn would be a great jumping off point for post-Apocalyptic stories.
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You guys...🤣🤣🤣
Pin-worthy comment.
Terminator Dark Fate in a nutshell.
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"This small child impersonating Sarah Connor" lol you got me there.
She looks like she's barely 15 years old!
Even Brie Larson would've been a better casting choice.
Linda Hamilton is a tough act to follow for a woman, a child had no chance
Um, no. Brie Laughingather would not have been a better choice. She's idiotic, at best, which is a shame because she had a movie personality about her in the early years; while she were still pretending to have a different personality (than that of a female police officer, which you just want to drop kick without even engaging in conversation. ;))
I read this comment as he was saying the line 😂 funny coincidence
Dark Fate tried to erase the previous movies, Genisys tried to co-opt and reboot them for its own purposes. Picking which is worse is like trying to pick which sharp object you'd rather step on in your bare feet.
Genisys is the worst kind of follow-up: the sequel, prequel, remake, demake.
Or as I'd like to call it, a continuity clusterfuck.
It's the first quelquel ever made, so that didn't help.
And Square Enix did the same thing with the promised FF7 "remake" turned it into a sequel remake demake,
@@redbearington3345 so much awesome potential derailed for no reason
Don't forget deboot.
plot twist: Skynet sent terminators back in time to ruin the franchise so that we wouldn't learn of Skynet's existence.
Underrated
Or couldn’t they just have changed the name of the fuckin company?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_(satellite)
Man, I just realized that John must've instructed the t800 to say "come with me if you wanna live" because he knew Sarah would recognize it from Kyle saying that to her. I feel dumb for taking so long to catch this. I miss the time when movies were subtle and smart.
Goosebumbs. You are right. At first it seems like lazy writing. Nice catch.
"But oh no, Doctor Who shows up and injects weird stuff in to John Connor." That sounds strangely canon.
In T2, Linda Hamilton handled weapons like she knew what she was doing. She was muscular and looked strong. She absolutely convinced audiences that she was ready for combat. Emilia Clark never did. As you said, she looks like someone's sister playing dress up for Halloween.
And what is do bad about getting actors dirty? Reese looked like he came off a photo shoot rather than the battle scarred and starved soldier like he did in T1.
Also Linda Hamilton's twin was an awesome addition for the film - I don't think Emilia has a twin.
@@reikun86 I know - in Genesys, the war sounded like it a walk in the park and the terminators were easy to fool and, with enough humans, they could win the day. In The Terminator, the war was horrible and everyday was going to be the day that a Terminator would in and butcher you whilst you, your mates and your guns, did jack s**t to them. Michael Biehn was socially cold and unforgiving (due to the war and the robots who hunted him) was made the portrayal of Reese being a badass and tragic when he rediscovered his humanity with Sarah.
Agreed!! 🤜
Linda Hamilton looked like a complete badass, to the point that she was actually scary. I could absolutely imagine her fighting in some small South American jungle war, just for the hell of it.
The Terminator series ended with T2.
"There is no fate but what we make."
The series ended with the end of the Sarah Connor chronicles. Which is technically referencing T3, but immediately retcons it with some time travel.
So only T1 and T2 are canon for that show.
100%. series ended with T2
Second that
That's boring. Skynet should exist. The war should happen.
Casting Jai Courtney: When you absolutely, positively want your own movie to bomb like a Stuka.
These franchise-fails really bring it home with a mallet what a beautiful work of art T2 was. The casting, screenplay, cinematography, pacing. Sublime.
In Emilia Clarke's defense: she actually said in an interview that she truly regrets starring in this crapfest. Quote: ''Yeah, taking the role of Sarah Connor was a bad idea...''
Do you have a link to that as I can't find results for that quote in Google?
She's got some talent, but she's got to play to her strengths. She's basically the English Rose type, I think she's quickly coped on to it and it's proven successful for her. She seems like a cool person in real life, Stuff like Me before You and Last Christmas is where she shines, sappy or dramatic romantic films or comedies. English version of Meg Ryan basically. Take her out of that genre and she just feels out of place.
I think she went as far to admit that after GoT she only takes shitty films that don't require a lot effort in her acting
But that MERA role, that'll be different.
2-1 odds she wasn't half as blasted as she was for the GOT series finale gala, but I bet she was close.
J.K. Simmons couldn't even save this movie.
Think about that for a second.
Well he also couldn't save Jennifer’s Body. I bet everyone who just read that and saw the movie rolled their eyes. Guaranteed.
@@ADIDASects Jennifer's Body?
@@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370 Yes. Slow brain. Never grow old.
@@ADIDASects it was a good movie, to be fair. Entertaining when you are bored in a weekend.
They should just hire the writer(s) for “Groundhog Day” for any future Terminator films; cover every scenario in 120 minutes and be done with it.
As for Sophie Turner and Emilia Clarke, remember back when television actors stuck to television roles and only the exceptional made the big leap to the big screen? Now it's like if you're part of a remotely successful TV show you're automatically expect to land a big blockbuster role. I like Emilia and Sophie but they are not great actors. But if you see Peter Dinklage or Charles Dance on the big screen it's like they belong there.
Tbf though Dance was on the big screen for a long time before GOT ever came to be, and I think Dinklage was too at least holding his own if not more.
Emilia definitely has potential. It's just...she ends up in roles that aren't meant to be for her as far as hollywood.
Lol
In Sophie Turner's defense, she is pretty shit in GoT as well.
edit: Since a few kind folks have suggested I got the wrong actress, I am referencing Drinker's comment around 13:00 - 13:12
LOL. My man.
She was great in the earlier seasons. She played the innocent naive noble girl really well. Once later seasons came and she became a "tough girl" it was just silly
Mainly season 6 through 8. But pretty much everyone was
Season 6 was the last good season for anyone.
She a poor Jean Grey as well. I haven't been to impressed by much of her work besides the first couple of seasons of GOT.
"Jai Courtney isn't going to be a thing. Quit trying to make it happen."-Honest Trailers
I am honestly shocked he became an actor
@@Kaosxca
Tbh Arnold is the worse actor of the two!
@@Ricardo-cl3vs eh
Well, he was great in Spartacus.
@@Ricardo-cl3vs bullshit! He will still and always will be widely beloved and remembered and respected by billions of people and fans worldwide (right there with Robert Downey Jr, Al Pacino and Sylvester Stallone) more than any shitty big actor ever will be in the next 40 years right now, definitely. Arnie has a very mega huge fanbase, more than even your favorite actor, loser
I like how he refuses to call Kyle Reese "Kyle Reese." He just calls him Jai Courtney.
Just wanted to point out that the T1 Kyle Reese wasn't scrawny nor skinny. He was in peak form, lean AND strong, just like an efficient soldier would be. The modern hyper jacked look is just a temporary deformation of the understanding of human perfection, much like the baboonish lips many girls aspire to. I would much rather have an army of fit, fast and resilient soldiers than an army I must provide 10k calories a day for each soldier, two workouts plus the time required for recovery and plenty of mirrors so they can check on their progress.
I don’t get why Arnie is willing to return to the Terminator franchise, despite it multiple failures. Yet, he refuses to reprise his role as an older Dutch in the Predator movies.
Maybe because it was his breakout role after Conan?
Arnold is a great man, but he doesn’t understand the value of storytelling. The story was completed after T2, anything else to come after that was pretty much doomed to be gratuitous and stale. As Walter White said in BB, you want them to miss you when you’re gone.
My recurring pipe dream includes Arnold reprising his role in Conan as a disillusioned, jaded old king surrounded by backstabbing courtiers.
With the right script, and his experience as Governor the man might play it real enough to win an Oscar.
Because Terminator has strong female characters but Predator was full of macho men
@@fuferito That would be something to see, if done right.
If you went back and looked at the original, you'd notice that Kyle Reese looks exactly like the kind of person that would come from a war-torn future: emaciated, scarred, beaten and tired. They really went through the effort of creating a sense of verisimilitude and selling the idea that Kyle's future really took its toll on him. And of course, despite spending his whole life fighting off deadly androids, he treated even a single T-800 with dead seriousness because he knew exactly what they were capable of.
Meanwhile, Jai Courtney looks buff, hale and without even a scratch or bruise on him. There's no way in hell that guy could convince you he's a soldier from a ravaged world where he'd most likely live off of rations and fight dangerous androids on a daily basis. They couldn't even get such minor details as "looking like a battle-scarred soldier" right. Then again, they couldn't even get those 3 street punks to look right so why am I even surprised? And of course, the guy seems borderline nonplussed when confronted with not only a T-800 but even the more advanced T-1000, both of whom took an entire movie to put down respectively, whereas here they're dispatched with barely any effort at all. Hell, even Salvation handled it better, considering how hard it was to put that one T-800 down. This movie was just a complete mess.
AGREED!
When it comes to terminator movies 1 &2 are the best. 3 just seems like there is something off about it, but actually seeing judgment day and the machines coming online was interesting. Terminator salvations has to be the 3rd best movie of that series. Having it be about the humans vs machines is really the only thing that they hadn’t covered in the franchise. It really shouldn’t have been a franchise, it should have ended at 2. Would have been perfect.
The scene where Sarah Connor and John appear naked in the middle of a highway was shamelessly cribbed from "The Sarah Connor Chronicles" TV show, which was actually an interesting and worthwhile development of the Terminator story line.
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The tv show is hardcore underrated imo
pops awkward smiling like that is a gag that most ppl don't even know comes from T2 deleated scenes, which casual fans wouldn't even know or remember
That scene is on the bonus disc for the T2 Ultimate Edition. Let me consult the oracle . . .
Edit: found the clip! Linky-thingy:
ruclips.net/video/njS1__eM5U0/видео.html
These new-ish Terminator movies are designed to:
1. Piss off the Drinker, and by association - us.
2. Hold the rights to make another Terminator movie. Return to 1.
Why do they even bother holding onto those rights? Terminator is worthless at this point. Dank Fart cost way more to make than it made.
@@fattiger6957 it is not about making money, it is about being sure other people aren't making money. Hollywood is so rich they transcended the need for money, they are just pety assholes now.
@@Noperare If the Earth dies in a nuclear holocaust, I will die happy knowing those Hollywood bastards die with me. Because no matter where I end up, I know they are going to hell. :D
@@shorewall I'm right with you on the sentiment, but the Earth won't die in a nucelar holocaust. The Earth will die (more to the point, evaporate) when the sun expands beyond the orbit of Mars in about 4.5 billion years. A nucelar holocaust would, at best, temporarily sterilize and contaminate part of the Earth's surface.
@@markusfreund6961 Touche. I guess I meant if the inhabitants of the Earth die in a nuclear holocaust. :D
Studios trying to make everything a franchise is one of the reasons why modern films suck.
100%. No more complete stories.
I am really trying to understand how so many talentless hacks, bereft of imagination, worked their way into so many different decision making positions across all industries and institutions. Was it always this bad?
@@pyerack I was afraid of that...
With respect to extending old franchises I place the blame in the audience. A lot of people pay money to see recycled versions of good movies from their youth, out of nostalgia or whatever. The minute it’s no longer profitable , studios will try something else.
That cut to the "GENESIS!!!" dude from Search for Spock always kills me.
I actually KNEW a guy who talked like that. (Scary)!
Terminator had a great way to shrug off how the time travel stuff worked. When Reese was being questioned by the police, they asked some technical questions about the time machine. His answer? "I didn't build the f*cking thing!"
Me after Genisys: Holy sh*t, it can’t get worse than that.
Dark Fate: You are sorely mistaken
Next Terminator will be directed by Paul Fieg and stars that black lady from Ghostbusters 2016 as the new terminator. Of course, they will bring in Arnold to humiliate him once again.
At least dark fate did so poorly that Hollywood will probably not return to milk the franchise anymore hopefully
@@fattiger6957 Hah, I wouldn’t be surprised if that happened.
Is dark fate worse than genyshit? Genyshit is pretty bad. Its an interesting question.
@@mail123619 reboot on a different timeline, terminator will never go away.
"Hey, remember how furious everyone got when we made John Connor the bad guy in Genisys?" "Yeah, the studio can't risk that kind of backlash again in Dark Fate. Just give him both barrels in the cold open."
That was Tim Miller and his desire to not have John Connor as a messiah figure. Instead we get some little Mexican chick to take his place who looks like she weighs 130 lbs soaking wet and who looks like she couldn’t intimidate a child who’s supposed to be the new future resistance leader. Total misfire. I hope they’re finally done milking the series. Hopefully T2 will just be revealed to be the true end as it so clearly is and all the other misfires are are just alternate scenarios.
“Wow, people didn’t like that we killed off John in the last one”
“Yeah.. we definitely shouldn’t do that again... So James Cameron, what’s your idea for Dark Fate?”
James: “let’s murder John Connor”
Are you a fan of Pitch Meetings too?
"It's the only way to be sure!"
"I love that we can work on cocaine!!!!"
Am I the only one who genuinely likes Terminator: Salvation?
Yeah, the double agent thing is kinda too much, but it's nice they showed "the future" instead of rehashing Terminator 2 again
I kinda like Salvation. More than T3. Started well, but went downhill halfway. Pacing problems. By the time the climatic scene happened, I just did not feel any trills. Should have been cool. Was just so- so. But yes, the only way is to show the future world. Though it did remind me of Captain Power ....
James Cameroon himself once said that the story ended with T2: Judgment Day. And I 100% agree with him. None of the other movies in the franchisee exist for me. I have unseen them and forgotten them.
Agreed. It's a two movie franchise. Just like the Alien and Predator franchises.
Cameron also said he loved Dark Fate.
The series cannot be revived. It's impossible at this point.
I had an idea of a slow burner TV series about the post war but its never going to happen.
Post-Apoc story about a young Reese?
@@DzinkyDzink yes, and others from the old world being lead astray by skynet, which wouldn't be a physical power for a few years and would absolutely need human 'allies' to establish its independence.
Yep Im about as done with terminator as I am with Star Wars. I haven't watched the last installments of either. Not goi g to pay to be insulted.
@@paulholmes8398 how about robocop predator aliens or anything that was from the 70s/80s/90s that got a reboot
I dunno about you but if a heard there is a reboot from a classic film i just know its bad
Jai Courtney telling his childhood self to remember that date for the future is the equivalent of Bill and Ted reminding themselves to set those booby traps to help out their future selves. Except Bill and Ted were in a comedy.
Well said and spot on.
That was racist of you to say!
Shame on you
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Sometime, native speaker will have to explain to me etymological difference between booby trap and bra....
The only terminator movie I like after the first 2 is salvation
It had interesting ideas
Included the t-600 terminator
Marcus was an interesting addition and character why we didn't get a salvation trilogy over 3 genesis and dark fate is beyond me .
Think your misremembering the release dates. T3 came out before Salvation did. It would of existed even if we got a Salvation trilogy.
I’m not joking, throughout watching the movie I was thinking to myself “is that supposed to be 1984 Sarah Conor or like a younger version of her from the past?”
The fact that almost 30 year-old special effects look _way_ better than the current effects is the truly shocking part.
@Kryptoskillet the effects in genysis are shit
Practical effects are always a favorite of mine.
@Kryptoskillet
Tell that to the studios who think CGI is the only way.
The special effects were fine. That was never the problem with any of the sequels at all.
tell that to 80% of avengers movies. There is a LOT of cgi that you don't even know is cgi. T2 was crafted with attention and love, genisys was quick cashgrab. It's not effects that are wrong, but studios treatment of them, using them like autotune to just "fix everything in post"
The first two movies were enough. No more is necessary.
Yeap. Plus, if you want a different movie, their deleted scenes are awesome. And that goes for 1 and 2.
I agree, but most people enjoyed Sarah Connor Chronicles. They could've found a way to put both Sarah Connor's together in a time travel movie.
If any of you play games, Terminator Resistance is pretty decent too for what it is since the developer straight up ignore any Terminator movie other than 1 and 2 in terms of continuity (plus its a masterpiece compared to their last game which is Rambo The Vedio Game).
@@nekovanguard9553 I really like Resistence
With a better story, movie 3 and 4 should of been one movie with John Connor saving his future wife and human civilization from Skynet.
The movie showed the Conner/Terminator hybrid shed a single tear so John's in there somewhere without free will. Probably just to torture him.
Honestly, Salvation works pretty well as a prequel. The actor playing Kyle Reese (Anton Yelchin) not only looks just like him, but emulates him really well. It genuinely feels like a Reese origin story.
As far as I'm concerned, Terminator is a trilogy: T4, T1, T2 -- in that order.
It should have been strictly a prequel to t1, not a sequel to t3. If it had ignored t3 and strictly followed the original timeline from before john and sarah destroyed skynet, it might have been a good movie
I don’t like the way it looks.
It’s dosnt look like a terminator film in a lot of ways to me.
In T2 and T1 the future scenes where always dark and the lighting blue and yea…why couldn’t it be more like that ?
@@AstralWolf86 I'm fine with it as something that happened before. The flashbacks from T1 genuinely feel like a sequel to T4 and part of that is because it feels like things have gotten worse. The world is darker and there are more advanced weapons.
That said, I would have loved a dark blue version of Salvation, but I was fine with the tan "war in the Middle East" vibe they were going for.
I didn't like Genisys but after Dark Fate, I would have much rather got a sequel to Genisys.
dark fate and rise of palpatine are the worst movies in the last 20 years.
Genisys was bad, but Dark Fate was flat out hard to watch. It pained me to watch the damn movie.
"At least" Dark Fate will go down as the worst of the franchise. Genesys is just going to be forgotten
Genesis was shit. Genesis was a blockbuster compared to Dark Fap.
Same here. I liked Genisys far more than DF.
In a post apocalyptic future where the world is gone, hunted like rats and is covered in radiation... all the soldiers are well feed, buff with abbs, protein powder and weights. Not ill, thin, hungry rebels who are psychologically damaged, but nah it will be fine
The only food rations left were steroids.
Terminator 1 John Connor looks like he's seen some messed up shit in his day.
Genesys John Connor looks like he sits around watching TV all day.
Aesthetics is the least of this , or I should say these film's problems.
Thank uuuuu!!!!
And consider Terminator was made in the 80s. The era of the buffed out, steroided, muscle-man hero archetype. Reese was not the typical hero of the time.
As someone who has conceived of sci-fi scenarios, I think I see a way to finally give the Terminator franchise a decent burial. Consider this: "T1" had the machines going back in time, to stop the resistance from ever forming. "T2" had the humans of the present trying to stop the machines from ever being built. This resulted in an endless time loop. One person or company may be prevented from building the machine---only to find that someone else built it, under a different name ("Skynet", "Genisys", "Legion", etc). The technology is already out there, just waiting for someone to pick it up.
How to solve this? Possibly, allow the machine to be built, but ensure that it's programming is different. Perhaps, instead of a prime directive of "Neutralize the Enemy", maybe, "Protect Humanity". Or, before allowing the machine to take control of anything, have it run through a series of simulations, so that it comes to a realization---similar to WOPR in "War Games". This would not be an action flick, but more of a psychological thriller with intrigue and deep philosophical questions. The franchise could then be put to bed, in perpetuity.
---Just a thought.
I can't think of another movie that literally made my head hurt from the complete lack of logic. Mainly from the way the character JK Simmons played who was citing events from the original Terminator that couldn't have happened because the time travelling happened before those events could take place.
I genuinely believe Terminator could have been saved if they stayed in the future after Salvation. I'd much rather see the war now instead of the past again and again.
I'd been wishing for it since I saw Terminator as a kid in the 80s. Got my hopes up when T3 just forced the issue by letting Judgment Day happen. Was drooling when Salvation came out (mostly anyway). Irritated when they leaped backward with Genisys. Didn't watch Dark Fate. I've seen too many of my favorite sci-fi franchises growing up turn to shit because no one can be bothered to be creative or respectful today. I get the feeling this middling ground of mediocre has always been the norm.
Yes that could have owrked. Even if that movie had some really dumb moments.
However I do like the idea of multiple events of time travel overlapping and changing things.
Also the idea of an Arnold Terminator raising a little girl is funny to me.
Yep. And remember it is this sentiment that has led to Salvation being more forgivable now. Because at least they tried something. Unlike Genysis (my grandkids will help save the future) and Dark Fate (my grandma will save the future). The timeline and time travel in this movie is like trying to travel across the USA on foot while reading a Map of China instead.
@@PolMer_90210 In the sarah connor chronicles tv show I think the final episode of the final season involved jumping to the future where I imagine at least some of the 4th season would have happened if it existed.
@@SodapopKevin
You are absolutely correct. I always thought that was a shit way to end the series.
"I feel like I'm gonna throw up."
And another Drinker meme is born
Immediately followed by Tyrion drunkenly vomiting.
Saw that, too, I did.
Doctor who shows up 😂 I love that. That’s exactly what I thought when I watched this.
"Looks like your little sister, dressing up as a soldier chick for Halloween"
LMFAO!! 🤣🤣🤣
"Amelia Clark looks like your little sister dressing up like a soldier for Halloween." I'm crying... 🤣😭
Shes like.....grrr Im tough. 😄
One of Hamilton's strong points for the role was that she was ordinary-looking, which added to the gritty realism element. Clarke is too cute for that. Then Hamilton took several levels in hardcore for T2, and it SHOWED. I doubt many female actors could do that, especially ones who can't risk spoiling their ability to play cheerleaders and such.
The brilliance of the first Terminator is seriously underrated, as much as I love T2, T1 works best on its own. It's really about Skynet, an AI trying to win a war against a mysterious human leader that came out of nowhere-he's unpredictable, and somehow knows how to hit Skynet exactly when and where. It decides the best way to eliminate him is to go back in time to root him out before he festers, but in doing so, it facilitates his birth and thus assuring its own demise. The time paradox is not a plot hole at all but a feature. The time loop closes perfectly at the end of T1 and makes it one of the best sci-fi movies ever made.
I agree 100% mate. T1 is a sci-fi horror masterpiece. T2 is different though. Still a masterpiece but more an action movie.
@@joejitsu034 Absolutely agreed! T2 is a brilliant sequel but also an action adventure reimagining/remake of T1 that also works perfectly on its own, perhaps as a separate timeline or a parallel reality with a definitive happy outcome.
@@joejitsu034 i’ve never understood the setup of T2 tho. why did skynet wait 10 yrs to kill john? kyle said that they needed to kill SARAH so they could totally erase john’s existence. why not send another one after pregnant sarah???
@@trevorfrenk4137 They lived off the grid for years after T1. It was only when they were caught by the authorities, with Sarah placed in an institution, and John in foster care, that they became trackable again.
You should do a review for Terminator Salvation. My head cannon is T, T2, TS. It gives you a legitimate result of John Connor's upbringing due to his past experiences, has new terminators, and most importantly continues the time loop from T and T2 to ensure it continues as it does, which means they paid attention to the overarching story and stayed faithful.
It actually took me a long, long time (maybe longer that it should have) to realize the goal wasn't to save civilization as we know it, or to stop Judgement Day, but to just plain save HUMANITY in the future. Thats where John was the hero that defeated Skynet. Its why 3 isn't actually the downer ending it seems like it is, and Salvation just needed to show the victory. It should have ended with something like the beginning of Genysis. I wonder if theres a fanedit that does that?
The main problem with this movie, is how no previous protector sent back by the resistance knew that you could beat up a T1000 with an old speaker magnet. Though, to be fair, it's an extremely obscure weakness to have. Much like Megatron's peanut allergy.
Turning John Connor from a Christ-like savior (same impossible conception, savior of humanity, etc.) to a villain was worse than killing him.
It still pisses me off
That was actually what killed him. And the movie for me.
@@Leadblast The John Connor Who Laughs
Genisys is like... if there was a Batman movie where the Joker brainwashes Batman within the first 5 or 10 mins of the movie and then he goes off screen, while Batman becomes the main villain, running around Gotham robbing banks and killing people and doing all kinds of evil stuff until it's up to Robin to kill him in the last act and Robin barely kills Batman, and then the Joker is revealed to be still hiding somewhere at the epilogue. That's just how bad Genisys was.
Jesus Christ / John Connor. J C.
How about the glaring plothole that is: Sarah and Kyle never slept together in 1984 but jumped straight to 2017, thus John was never born -> Skynet wins by default?
The Sarah Connor Chronicles is the only "thing" that managed to capture the oldschool Terminator. Shame it had to end so early.
Exactly. i LOVE that series and it is a crime they killed it early.
"i feel like I'm going to throw up."
LMAO. I use that line to this day, when people say stupid shit!
Terminator 9 :
Disguised as a violin player in the orchestra,a customised T.800 terminator goes back in time aboard the Titanic to save Sarah Connors great great great grandpapa by stopping the evil T.9000 liquid gas terminator from pushing an iceberg into the path of the ship using omni-directional concentrated gaseous exchanges.
Just in time the T.800 ejects his customised circulatory fluid valve mechanism at the T.9000 - the explosion destroying it completely.
Sarah Connors great great great grandpapa puts his hand on the shoulder of the dying T.800 thanking him for his sacrifice.The T.800 as last gesture opens his mouth in a wide grin and sings in a loud clear falsetto voice ‘My Heart Will Go On’
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"I've said it before that the Terminator really isn't a concept that can support a big ongoing franchises like this" - so true. And what's been forgotten is that T1 was a stalker movie with a twist, T2 was an action movie based on the premise of T1 without explaining too much backstory. Terminator in essence is a horror-style sci-fi 'franchise', not a bigger world that needed explanation. But hey, I liked Terminator Salvation so what do I know?
I too liked terminator salvation. I felt like that would’ve been a good story to follow and I liked Christian Bale as John Connor
Funnily enough, I could Insert "predator" for every time you said "terminator" and I feel as though it would still make sense(franchise wise anyway)
I agree, it's easy to suspend your disbelief when a movie is executed perfectly for its genre, stick to the strengths of the premise
I too liked Salvation at first. Bought the dvd upon release. Now it just fades into the pit of unappealing Sam Worthington movies we own but never watch again. The guy is an absolute block of wood. Bale didn't exactly carry the dead weight either.
I've thought a lot about what I would do with Salvation if it were my own to make. I would have had it be the story of John Connor starting the resistance from the ground up. The flying carrier ship was super cool so I would keep that and all its robotic crew that break down to the motorcycle level. I would have the carrier ship be hunting down John Connor and he would come across pockets of survivors that either tell him to leave them alone or join up with him to help take down the carrier at the end.
Would have had Anton Yelchin play the part of John Connor because he's actually watchable. RIP
Salvation tried to take the series into the future war
I honestly think it's the only logical place to go after T2, and three other movies seem to confirm that
Hell, when I heard T2 was happening, I assumed it would be set in the future war
“Come with me if you want to kind of forget about the Greyjoy fleet”.
"Come with me if you want to just burn them all because your nephew doesn't wanna bang, and bells or something"
“Come with me if you want to be shanked by someone who now hates you. Alone, in a room without any guards or some kind of protection”
I’m happy that you made this video because I want to go see this movie in theaters with my fiancé and I fell asleep I honestly don’t remember 3/4 of the movie in fact all the explosions woke me up and I would look and go ‘that’s cool’ and fall asleep again and then I woke up and found out John Connor was a terminator and then felt no need to stay awake for the rest of the movie.
Hi,at 0:02 whats the family movie poster on top middle between terminator and conan?
No one will ever look as threatening as Robert Patrick tho
The perfect casting ever 👌👍
Watch T2 again. Robert Patrick trained himself to not blink for the film to make his terminator all the more convincing.
It's pretty funny seeing him as an indebted wimp in the sopranos
As good as Robert Patrick is in T2, I'll always wonder what Billy Idol's T-1000 would've been like...
Arnold looked far more threatening in t1
I hate that Salvation didnt do well all I wanted from this franchise was the machine war and I actually liked Bale as a military Conner.
"all I wanted from this franchise was the machine war"
I really not often do that, and can't really say i can recommend it... but have you seen Termiantor:Resistance game?
@@olotocolo nope never played any of the games
@@sithalchemist I really recommend playing terminator resistance. Well done, respects the source material and only takes into account T1 and T2.
Afte t3 it should have taken in the future to bad they repeat a similar plot done 3 time already in past 3 movie
Same here! As bad as T3 was, the ending still promised that eventually we'd get to see a war movie taking place in 2029. Salvation was clearly taking the franchise in that direction, and didn't bother with time travel because the writers knew it was no longer necessary. Genysis was a sad, pathetic case of Hollywood making a safe movie that came across as a near-remake, all for more money. Sure, we still got that war in 2029... during the opening credits!
I excitedly and naively bought Geneshits on blue ray as soon as it came out - watched it once with what must have been a been an expression of someone who thought their cake had extra chocolate sprinkles but then after eating a slice discovered that mice had been getting in the kitchen.
The disc hasn’t seen daylight since.
They make an effort to make the Terminator look 100% like it did in Terminator 1, but made zero effort to make Sara and Kyle look like they did in the original movie. Strange, and confusing at first.
After watching Genisys I just wrote it off as non-canon. I didn't even bother with Dark Fate. T3 and Salvation weren't good, but they're mostly harmless to the franchise as a whole. Still, the series should've stopped after 2.
Well said.
Salvation should have been more about John Conner leading the future war imo
But it at least doesn't ruin the timeline like Genisys
@@EliWintercross Salvation has a good concept. Finally ditching the time travel/chase concept from the first three movies, it was starting to get really stale by T3. Focusing on the war.
The execution was pretty bad though.
At least T3 followed T2 and didn't try to retcon the series. Also, you could tell they were really trying to make a good movie with it. There were some great ideas and moments, but it just couldn't live up to the first two movies. Everything after was just nothing more than cash grab.
I enjoyed the Terminator movies all the way up to Salvation, and I agree; they were mostly harmless. Genisys was just an absolute train-wreck, employing a 'scorched earth policy' to the previous movies and just making everything way too confusing and trying to do too much. I would've loved to see this story from Skynet's side, and hear Skynet's thoughts; see the story from the Machine's side and erasing Humanity for their own good. That would have been evil and I would've enjoyed every second of it!
They should've dumped the repetitive time travel formula after the second film and continued the story with new lores and characters to tell the story about Skynet waking up, human machine war etc.
That could have been interesting. I think they got spooked when Salvation didn't do as well as they had hoped and so they went running back to popular characters for nostalgia value. Problem is their timeline had been effectively closed so it took a lot of nonsense and retconning to bring them back.
James Cameron was originally set to direct a 3rd Terminator film in the 90s, but the studio went bankrupt and that was the downfall of the series. Cameron moved on to True Lies, Titanic and of course Avatar. I always wonder what a proper T3 would have looked like.
The human element and survival aspect would have been immensely interesting even if just a short one season series. You can’t brute force the monsters, you have to use your wits and be scrappy about it and would allow the main story to go do its thing of being awesome. Shame they only made 2 movies…
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In defense of the ridiculous coincidences, I think that's more of a statement on how Time Travel works, that by going back in time, you're pre-determined to do things that from the other side seems like a coincidence. But in reality, it's the time travel that ensures those things happen, like fate.
I also think, beyond the negative feedback from longtime fans, this installment of the terminator was more like a reimagining of the time travel laws within the series than the 'next stage in the saga' that fans wanted.
I saw this convoluted mess in the theatre. This was the beginning of the end for new movies for me.
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The Terminator franchise is like gender, there are only TWO
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I think dark fate was worse than genesys.
100% agree with you there. I never even finished it.
Yep
Much worse
A LOT worse
I enjoyed Terminator genesis..... I think the hate is because the fans wanted the original actress of Sara O'Connor and they got Dark Fate
At the beginning, what's that in the top centre?
The metal skeleton in the first Terminator was scary. In the first of the sequels it looked like a Halloween trinket. The future battles in the first movie were scenes from hell. In the Judgment Day movie they looked like children's laser-tag. How much money was spent, how little was achieved.
The makers of the sequels made a big mistake in bringing human qualities to the robots. Schwarzenegger would have made a stronger impression as a good robot in the sequels if he had stuck to the stilted expression of the bad robot in the first movie. A terminator is always an ominous entity, even if it had good intentions. There is no warmth in the touch of a metal hand. If a being that was created to be bad decided to be good, it would still have that inherent quality of badness, and that would dictate its relations with people, no matter how much help it gave to them. That would be a powerful theme in a movie.
If robots really were to take over the world, we humans would lose the war the minute we started seeing signs of personality and emotion in the machines. An illusion of humanity where there is none is what would enslave us.
I was in one of the test screenings for the movie and EVERYONE there told the Paramount numbskulls not to put the John Conner reveal in the trailer. Man they just couldn't help themselves. Most everyone also hated how much Arnold smiled. They decided to highlight that. I think they were trying to kill the franchise to be honest.
Why do they even do test screenings if they don't give a flying rats ass about the opinions?
Didn't T2 make the same mistake by revealing that the T-800 was the good guy in the trailer? History is truly doomed to repeat itself
So funny
In the test screening. Did any of you like the movie at all?
Yes because it's obviously a plan to destroy pop culture. Cinema is a business and suddenly they don't give a shit any more about customer review? They don't give a shit about losing millions?
About Arnold, those heart's operations will not pay by himself.
Charlie Kelly?
Think you mean - won’t pay itself
I just find it funny that our action stars tend to be geriatrics. Arnold, Stallone, Chuck Norris to a certain memeish extent.
"The Sarah Connor Chronicles"" TV series was actually pretty decent, one of the few Terminator spinoffs to carry its own weight. Naturally it got cancelled. Drinker should do a review of that.
ngl, if it wasn't for that horrible twist at the end I lowkey liked that future set terminator movie with Christian Bale a lot.
Too bad they pulled the rug under our feet at the last minute and broke what could be a good terminator movie set in the future.
2:45
_The Terminator (1984)_ punks:
The Dead Kennedys
_Genesys (2015)_ punks:
middle aged Green Day
That's the best description I've heard of those two scenes.
The whole point of the first Terminator film was that Skynet was doing a Hail Mary pass - sending one machine back in time to stop defeat, and Reese says that Skynet sent back one machine. Now, Terminator 2 was such a good film that I didn’t mind that Cameron went back to the well one more time. However, now it is ridiculous with multiple terminators coming back in time through multiple universes. What is the point if our heroes win in this movie, another terminator will come. It is as story-defeating as if the Empire had 600 Death Stars.
The Empire has 600 Death Stars? Don't give Di$ney writers ideas!
I think J.J. Abrams heard you, when he was writing the script for The Rise of Skywalker.
Exactly. Its why ALL of these franchises need to end.
T2 is an amazing film. That being said, the logic that the T1000 was not sent initially or even as a counterpart to the first Terminator doesn't make any logical sense for the insane A.I. that Skynet is. You can effectively rip apart the entire storyline if you really wanted to. Genysis is not amazing, I just really enjoy that they tried to tie it back to the original two.
@@lordkhail Given the efficiency of T-800 in the previous missions, Skynet thought it would be enough.
The fact that these movies completely abandoned practical effects, and incredible set pieces, is another huge problem. The effects in T2, have aged like a fine wine.
The coolest thing is that they actually blew up a building in T2 for that scene!!
The whole plot to take Sarah Connor to "present day" has already been done in the Sarah Connor Chronicles which weren't bad
The first season of SCC was superb. Highly recommended. Too bad the second one was so shit.
@@tamarans.ns.ii.4968 Worse, it ended on a cliffhanger.
"Present Day," a.k.a. 1999 or something
“This small child impersonating Sarah Connor” 🤣🤣🤣
Where is that clip of the guy saying "genesis?" from? at 1:23