The TRUTH About These Two Wall Mount Garage Door Motors - RJO70 vs. 8500W
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- Опубликовано: 12 авг 2022
- There is a strong belief the Chamberlain RJO70 is a completely different motor than the LiftMaster 8500W. Yet these two motors share more similarities than we realize. Nevertheless when it comes down to these two motors which one should you get for your next garage door motor needs?
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Another Well done video. I would very much like to see a review of the Genie TorqueMaster Adapter Kits for Wayne Dalton TorqueMaster springs and your recommendations on the subject.
Thanks a great idea. I will start working on the video.
Enjoying watching your wall mount videos. I have had a Liftmaster 3800 for many years on my main shop door. Decided to install an opener for the back door which is also a high lift. After watching your video compareing the 8500 and the Genie, I was leaning towards the Genie. While shopping I came across a smoking hot deal on the Chamberlain RJO70. The battery backup and Wifi will be nice added features. It has got me to thinking if I can add a sensor to my old door and use the MyQ feature of the new opener to make the old door wifi also?
Hello! Thanks for the support to the channel. You can definitely add WiFi to the other motor. It will require some additional accessories but it is possible.
Thanks for the video, and apologize if this was answered dbefore,what have you found as far as the noise of wall mounted vs belt drive overhead on the chamberlain
Love your videos.
The main reason I needed this particular model is because of my low overhead garage and it was the only practical option available.
Just stumbled upon your channel when looking at these 2 units. Glad they’re identical. Seems the better choice is the chamberlain.
It’s $75-$80 cheaper, can be picked up locally as well, where as liftmaster cannot.
The only difference is the opener button and remote. Not sure it justifies $80 though.
What are your thoughts? Also, during installs like these, do most contractors reuse the eyes, and wiring from a standard overhead opener? Or are they different.
Contemplating doing it myself vs a pro. The thing is my garage is a “studio” and I don’t want wires everywhere😢
Very good comparison video. I went with the Chamberlain and saved $70 buying local as well. Glad to know the motor and most all accessories are identical. For my use I’m using homelink in my truck so extra buttons weren’t needed. Also using My Q for diagnostic messages is pretty straight forward.
Wonderful explanation on both units!
Now my question to you, ( this video is a year old) is there any new updates you can share with us?
I am one that wants a bit more space without the bar and motor taking up the valuable storage space!
Thank you again
January 13, 2024
Thanks for a great comparison and breakdown. Any chance you could do a video on the Genie B6172H wall mount? Thanks!
Thanks for watching. I have video comparing the 6172B to the proline motor 6170B.
Here’s the link: ruclips.net/video/DcsruHBEorg/видео.html
@@sosgds 😳 that was fast! Thank you! Going to be picking one of these up today!! 😁
Great videos, I am building a new house and heavily considering wall mount garage door openers and trying to decide between chamberlain, lift master, and genie. Do any of the 3 have wireless wall mount controllers?
Hello! Yes they do. The Genie motors offer the wireless console in the box. The LiftMaster wireless console is an extra cost of the accessory.
When you install these wall mount units do you often have to adjust the doors tension? I have read of a few people have issues with it going down or the cable coming off the pulley?
Yes. Balance is vital to this motors operation. The slight difference in balance will cause the limits to fluctuate.
I prefer these over the genies. I’ve heard both in person and the LM/Chamberlain is quieter and smoother. Of course you would expect that.
Hey Sam! So what you are saying is I need to do a video about the decibel comparison on these two motors! I'm on it my friend!
Thank you for this great video. I'm in the process of enclosing my carport and turning it into a garage and I was considering this RJO70 unit but I was wondering if that digital display can be bought separately to replace the regular one that comes with the RJO70?
Also, would you recommend this RJO70 or is there another wall mounted opener that I should research? Not sure how many garage opener companies are out there so figured I'd ask. Thank you.
Hello. Yes you should be able to utilize the LiftMaster LCD wall button with RJO70. Currently Chamberlain/LiftMaster and Genie are the only brands offering residential wall mount motors. Consider looking at the Genie 6172.
@@sosgds Awesome!! Glad to hear that the display will work with the RJO70. I will most definitely do my research on the Genie 6172 since it seems that RJO70 has some issues like you mentioned in the video.
I'm actually building the frame for the garage door right now since the weather is nice. I was considering getting a Clopay 16ftx8ft R-18 insulated door and order it from Home Depot. Is Clopay a good choice or are there other companies that I should look at to compare?
Thank you for your help and for the informational videos. They're really helpful.
@@canucha1985 Clopay offers excellent choices in garage doors. In fact I do like they're insulated garage door better than their non insulated garage doors. I don't think you will be disappointed.
@@sosgds Sweet!!! I'm framing the garage with 2x6s so I can do the R-19 insulation so it only made sense to get the closest insulated door to R-19 as possible for energy efficiency. Yes, it'll be a garage, but it'll primarily be used as my shop with a mini-split AC system in there to be comfortable year round and then the Wall mounted opener to maximize ceiling storage space.
I really appreciate all your help and guidance with this. Gives me a peace of mind and reassurance knowing that I'm on the right track with this build I'm doing. Hope you have a great day and thank you again!! :-)
So I have a broken 8500 wall mount can I replace it with either one of these without having to replace the locks and sensors? Just the wall mount part?
Great question. The safety sensors can remain, although the new updated sensors are better in design. The auto door lock should be changed for safety reasons.
Chamberlain/LiftMaster is making a big mistake putting the cheap wall mount and remote in the Chamberlain kit. In the past the traditional style openers with battery backup came with the high end wall control and remotes. They are playing a game commonly found on other products where a single manufacturer produces products that are basically identical under the decals and sell them at different prices. The people who wanted the "upscale" brand name had to pay a significantly higher price that really couldn't be justified in terms of performance. With the older openers Chamberlain didn't cheapen the top end Chamberlain models to create that price difference, but now they have basically shafted the DIY'ers by using the low end controls and remotes. If the DYI'er wants the better parts, he will effectively be paying more than the LiftMaster "premium" brand product since he will have to pay full retail for those accessories. Btw the wall mount units cost them less to build and ship than the old traditional units, and yet they put a premium price on the wall mount. I won't fall for their game, and when it comes time to convert to a wall mount unit it won't be from Chamberlain/LiftMaster. It's not really about the money, for me it's about not wanting to reward companies for playing these games.
Do direct drive openers allow you to leave the door partially open for pets to get in and out? I do this with my current opener by pressing the button once the door is about a foot off the ground.
Hello. Yes they can. The can be positioned a couple of feet off the ground and it should be fine.
@@sosgds Thanks!
Why would these cost more to install? Are you talking about labor to install or total install labor plus materials, as I see this being much easier install over the overhead.
Great question. These motors have certain installation advantages versus overhead motors. Yet when it comes to the peripherals, such as a cable tension monitor, LED fixture, auto door lock, these are 3 added steps to get the overall work completed.
I have two bedrooms above my garage and need to figure out a quieter door opening system. The ones that are there now are 30+ year old craftsman, chain driven and the ceiling is low so mounted right up to the ceiling with no hangers. If I got belt driven overhead would that do it or do I need to go with the wall mount?
Hello! Great question! The new DC belt driven openers will offer a quiet experience. There still might be a slight vibration felt from them. Yet I think it should quieten the sound significantly. A wall mount opener will clearly be the best noise reducing solution. But it is a more costly solution.
@@sosgds Thanks I really appreciate it especially since the wall mount costs as much as two belt driven overhead units and I need two of course. Any suggestion for dampening the vibration any more with some sort of mounting solution? I hate that it mounts right to the rafters but I don’t have room to hang them unfortunately. Rubber in between maybe?
@@berkoskilandscaping4247 LiftMaster offers their ISOLATOR VIBRATION KITS
www.liftmaster.com/isolator-spacer-kit/p/041B0139
Is a 12” track curve compatible with this opener? I know 15” is more desirable but I have a 12” track
Hello. Yes. A 12" track will work perfectly fine.
@@sosgds Thank you.
I'm concerned because I have a low clearance track that sits almost parallel to my ceiling. Will either of these motors work with my door?
Hello. Both motors will work on a 3.5" load head track. Unfortunately neither motor will work on a 0" low head track assembly.
Search for a video where a guy converted center opener to side lift using chain and sprocket you could probably do the same with one of these letting you lower unit
What might be the ballpark of having a professional install this wall mount opener?
Great question. I have seen dealer contractors charge anywhere from $300 and up for the installation of this motor.
What do you think about the RJO70 vs RJO20 (or 8500 vs 8500W) for someone looking for simplicity and durability? How does the older 24v motor compare to the newer 12v?
Great question. The experience is different. The RJO20 is not as finessed. I also find that the board is prone to electrical shortages.
@@sosgds will the RJO70 work without a battery?
@@1-UZ Ahhh! Very good question. Yes it can, but it does draw power from the battery backup for faster travel. That is a difference that the ROJ20 does not share. Yet not many consider this a deal breaker.
@@sosgds Interesting. Thanks, that's helpful information.
Would you do a RJ070/8500 over a Genie 6072? They are within 40.00 of each other on Amazon. I'm putting this on a 18x12 sectional pole barn door.
Honestly I would go with the 6072. The cable tension monitor will just give too much problems.
What are the issues with the tension monitor? Seems like something that would cause less issues than a software based one.
@@crs1474 I tried it, it will pop off constantly. If the door isn't brand new or jiggles at all, it unclips
@@Thesocialgarage interesting. Chamberlain now offers the RJO101 which doesn’t use a physical tension monitor. Looks pretty nice
I have an older Chamberlain overhead opener that recently died. It has the myQ and the backlight digital wall mount. Can I use this wall mount with the RJO70?
Hello. Are you asking if you can use the older back lit wall button with the new RJO70 motor?
@@sosgds i was going to ask same question. yes the wall button i have is the lcd version from a traditional chamberlain opener. thanks
They just announced a new wall mount opener!! The chamberlain RJO101, no longer uses a cable monitor
Interesting ... The video on Chamberlain website didn't say anything about the cable tension monitor.
What’s the most common reasons why my newly installed RJ070 won’t close on its own when trying to set the upper and lower limits? It goes up just fine, but as soon as it starts breaking 90 on the way down it stops. I notice with a slight downward pull (force) on the door it will continue downwards passing the 90 and continue on its own to the close position. My garage door recently made contact with a sheet of drywall left overnight as my wife open the door without realizing. It had jumped the track on one side. Any suggestions. Also can I use the 885LM with the RJ070?
Hello. Do you know the height of your garage door? Perhaps you have an 8 foot tall door? Or perhaps you have a 3 section door? The issue you are describing might be in relation to one of the sections being warped.
Additionally you might also have an issue with your springs. Or it could be an issue with the balance from your door.
@@sosgds Hello, I believe it’s an 8 ft door with 4 individual panels. I did the balance check per the manual and it stayed put at about 4ft. I thought it might be that tension sensor, but it appears fine.
@@unfilteredjamaican3478 Excellent. Then it might be the cable tension monitor. It might be detecting slack to the cable. If your balance is good then I would start adjusting the cable tension monitor.
@@sosgds I’ll have to mess with it. Does the 8500W have that tension monitor also, watched your vid and it basically said it’s the same thing? Or is there an equivalent brand without that feature?
6:45 why is it really double the price? I think it is all marketing, a wall mount opener is half the labor and easier to install by a single person, additionally fewer parts and adaptability should make the wall mount cheaper to manufacture and inventory.
November 13, 2023
What's the difference between the RJ070 and RJ0101?
The new RJO101 will not have a cable tension monitor.
@sosgds what's the big difference between the liftmaster 98022 and the chamberlain rjo101? Is there any differences motor wise? Or internally? Thanks!
I got the RJO70 through Lowes who installed it through a third party about a year ago now and I absolutely hate it. It's overengineered nonsense.
On my particular unit I have immense trouble with it being overly sensitive to travel force. I've been trying to DIY diagnose this but there's no adjustment screws and the automated learning it attempts to do doesn't seem to work well. After going through the process of relearning, it still reports and error and will not close correctly, so often find myself fighting with it until I can trick it into closing. All of the YT research I've done keeps talking about cleaning the obstacle sensors but that's NEVER been the issue. The motors internal force sensors are far too sensitive and change with each season. I notice in cold weather it tends to work better.
The MyQ app is absolute garbage as well, if the door fails in some way, it will not allow you to open/close the door again, some kind of soft lock feature in the app. The error reporting merely states 'Issue Reported: Contact a Dealer' - with no other information, thus its fundamentally designed to force you to call out a service tech rather than give you the info you need to diagnose your own problem. It's no surprise to me that all of the Chamberlain videos on YT have comments disabled, I'll bet there's a sea of people who are frustrated with this tech.
The direct drive is a great idea and I'm sure I'll make it work somehow but its been a very painful process.
WOW! Thank you for sharing your feedback. What you're experiencing is common. Especially on garage doors with balance issues and in most cases how the torsion spring system is aligned. Have you tried using cable keepers?
@@sosgds I have not, I'll check that out. Rebalancing is next on my list as I do have the adjustment rods but I need to watch more videos to make sure I fully understand it, I know it's mildly dangerous and my door is 16ft. I'm determined to figure this out.
You mention that these wal mount openers cost double the price to install. That’s ridiculous because they take half the time to install. Lol
In Southern California they go for about $900-$1500 with installation. Ridiculously? Depends on how many you install in a week.
Im a garage door professional and a lifelong diyer. I would not recommend doing anything garage door related as diy. Not because I don't want your money, I definitely do, but, rather that while the work isn't hard, its easy to screw up and get hurt. This is coming from someone who hasn't hired a technician for any trade in his adult life. You can get hurt and or hurt someone you care about easily.
Thank you for sharing your insight and experience!
Garage door openers might be the most annoying product Ive ever researched. All I want is a good quality opener but I cant buy them without paying a dealer 3x the cost. I dont really want the cheap big box models. Then I thought well for 3x the cost maybe I should just go wall mount but no of course they have problems too..
Well crap. The automatic lock was one of the reasons I wanted to upgrade. Boooo!
these side liftmasters are trash constant excessive force detected . total pain in the ass. just get a garage door opener that works.
Hello!
Can you tell me more about your experience? Are you dealing with the Chamberlain motor or the LiftMaster motor? And is it the new models with the omission of the cable tension monitor? You can always reach out to me via email too if you want. Thank you.
This guy uses the word Thus too much and it only makes sense 1/2 the time and thus is very annoying
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