DON'T BUY a Wall Mount Garage Door Motor Until You WATCH THIS - Impressions on the LIftMaster 98022
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- LiftMaster is making safe choices with their new wall mount garage door motor. But is there a problem that might be lurking under the surface?
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Love to see how this compares to the 8500w I just installed!
There's some Clark Kent stuff going on when this guy takes off his glasses!
The problem is that the Liftmaster and Chamberlin MyQ integration is no longer available to home automation users such as Home Assistant. The company turned off 3rd party apps from being able to access it.
Hello. I have heard about this.
What smart home platform are you on?
Alexa? Google Assitant? Siri?
Have you heard of RATGDO?
@@sosgds I am using Home Assistant. Luckily I don't own one of these openers, but I was thinking about it just about a week before I heard all the complaints about the company turning off home automation functionality. I take a dim view of the companies that support a feature, then decide to turn it off suddenly. So I am no longer looking at the Chamberlain/Liftmaster solutions. I did hear about the Ratgdo piece that fixes the problem. That sounds like a great solution for those that are stuck now.
IMO, this is a MAJOR problem. Today's world is about interoperability, not forcing people to use a proprietary platform. What is going to happen when they decide to change the protocol or phase out the support of their own platform? Will they force you to buy a new unit? This is a reason for me not to choose Chamberlain. I didn't realize LIftmaster is also doing this, but it's a reason I won't choose their products.
@@stevec3537 thank you for sharing this very insightful comment. From what I'm understanding through my dealer Representatives is that this will be implemented first through the Chamberlain brand. And it is supposed to provide more distinction between the Pro-Line and retail garage door openers.
@@sosgds Thank you for letting me know. Yes, it's providing distinction... and a strong reason to buy another brand.
I would prefer the new LiftMaster and Chamberlain openers to be able to work with any number of simple, normally-open momentary pushbutton switches, the way openers prior to ca. 2000 worked. It is handy to have additional "dumb" switches that never need batteries in the garage next to interior and exterior doors, so that one can push a button while leaving the garage and not need to carry a remote control.
Yeah ,I don't like that at all.
Just had this opener installed yesterday along with a new 16x7 insulated door + tracks.
It's even quieter than my old Chamberlain Whisperdrive.
From what I've been hearing, the Liftmaster/Chamberlain fixed a lot of the previous issues with the 8500(W) in the 98022. Here's hoping I'll get a decade+ of use out of it.
If you don't mind me asking how much was the motor alone? I was quoted 1,700 to 1,900 for everything including installation...coming from a standard set up...but I bet it wasn't for this model liftmaster...I want to have a car lift put in otherwise I wouldn't even bother with this change.
A decade plus of use? Those Craftsman chain drive POS garage door openers from the 1970's-1980's usually made it 20-30 years.They lasted longer than the garage doors they were attached to.
I am just a regular homeowner but knew instantly that your hat refers to the torsion spring specs. I replaced my own springs one too many times.
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We have 2 of the RJ070 models working since +/- 2019. They work awesome. The said "lack of technology" is a bit out of line IMHO. Who needs all of that complication? Push the button it works. Ours turns the light on when the safety beam is broken, that's kinda cool but unnecessary. We have cameras around the house. We don't need a garage door opener that has a camera or a motion sensor or an LCD display or any of the additional bells and whistles that cost money for really no practical application. KISS principal for workhorse items.
Just came here to say thanks. At one point I needed to reset my limits. My door was jerking up and down. You have to be very careful. You have to also set your profile first.
Hello! I appreciate your feedback!
How is your 98022 holding up?
What do you think about the experience so far?
What's to keep someone from just lifting the garage door open when it is closed with a wall mount opener? Or the wind even?
What are some of the main differences between this liftmaster 98022 and the chamberlain rjo101? Thanks. Keep up the good work! 👍🏻
Hello. Great question. I do plan on making a video about that very subject. But for the moment I believe there will be a difference in the remotes, wall button, and warranty. Stay tuned.
I had never even heard of wall mount motors until this vudeo
They are the most popular doors right now.
Great job these videos are really helpful. Is this the model you recommend? For a regular townhouse garage
Thank you. It all depends on the type of garage door you own.
What can you tell me about your garage door?
What brand of garage door is it?
What type of track assembly does the garage door travel on?
I have a 16ft by 7 foot door. Can I used this to power that large of a door?
Liftmaster 9800 wall mount openers are great longest installed right.Im a professional garage door installer iver 25 years. I have seen so many different cases people attempt to install them, very few succeed others were disaster.
Make sure your door is not binding works smooth and you must have torsion set up for wall mount.
Thank you for the feedback.
I agree that part of the challenge installing wall mount openers is ensuring the torsion system is plum straight.
How do you like to set up residential garage doors with wall mount openers?
What's your technique?
Really like this new motor. I’ve installed about 6 of them so far and no issues.
Have you installed it on a garage door ( 2 car garage door). Does it have the power and doesn't cause the door to tilt?
@@phizz8694 I’ve installed probably close to 50 of them and they are great. You would definitely have no issues on a double car garage door assuming the door runs the way it is supposed to. They are good for up to 850lbs.
@@CanadianDoorMan thank you so much for the quick response!!!
@@phizz8694 no problem! Have a great day
Great video!! thank you, 1 question, can we open 2 garage door with 1 garage opener ( first door Down second door Up or second door Down first door Up) is there possibility? Thank you.
Hello. Let me make sure that I understand you ...
You want to open 2 garage doors with just one garage door operator?
Or
You want to open 2 garage doors with just one remote transmitter?
Great video. I’m a homeowner with two of these Liftmaster 98022 units. For my smaller 8x8 door, the motor has worked beautifully. For my larger 16x8 door, it’s been hell for my installer and I. We just can’t figure out why I keep getting the Excessive Force error when we try to close the door. In many cases the door gets stuck open and I need to reprogram the travel to reset the door. My installer even swapped the motor out for a new one it’s still an issue. He even adjusted the the springs and the tracks but to no avail
We’ve been stumped and Liftmaster’s customer service hasn’t been able to help. The new door is a 16x8 CHI insulated door so it’s pretty light. The installer set the door profile to 1 and we tried setting it to 2 as well but still get the error every few days.
Sorry for the long winded comment but have you seen this happen yourself in the field?
Hello! Thank you so much for sharing your experience. I too have had this experience. I also just had a colleague go through this same issue with a customer on a high lift door. Thus, it's not a track assembly issue.
You mentioned that your dealer contractor adjusted the springs and tracks ... Did he check if the end bearing plates and torsion tube were plumb or straight?
I believe LiftMaster has a problem and they are not sure what's happening.
Thanks for the quick response! I’ll tell him to look at those areas, but after 3 months of struggling we quit and he’s going to install another operator. I’ll circle back with the name of the new unit as he’s installing today. It’s a shame this new 98022 is having this problem
@@TheSunTheSea I completely understand. I was at the point of doing the same thing for my customer. It is a shame. I am hoping LM can figure out what the issue is with this model.
@@sosgds we ended up installing the LJ8900W instead. So far it’s worked flawlessly. Interestingly the 98022 that’s still operating our small garage door is working fine. It’s just odd that we went through two new 98022 units on the big garage door and had issues. So maybe there’s a bug in the motor’s software when it tries to automatically adjust force with larger doors
@@TheSunTheSea Thank you for sharing your experience. It will definitely help this community.
So I have a new garage 15' wide x 30' long x 12' high with standard roof 3.12 pitch. It has a 12' wide x 10' tall roller door with chain. I really like the LiftMaster 98022 but after watch your video I am concerned about getting one installed. I saw that you did the video in Oct 2023 and another Feb 2024. Has any changes been made or solutions found that would make me feel better about getting this door opener?
Hello. Very good question. I have yet to see a clear solution from LiftMaster about this issue.
I have a side mount in my 2 year old home and the motor part has been good so far the only thing that needs improvement is the range of the transmitters
do you have any led bulbs near the motor?
@MalikWong yes my shop lights are all led,but even when there off with zero power going to them the openers still aren't right ,the bulbs in the openers are regular bulbs non led
My biggest question that wasn't answered in this video is would these work on light weight manual roll up doors? (doors that roll up into a ball at the top of the door).
I have liftmaster on my 2 gdoors on the house side and would like to add the same to the detached garage in the 2nd driveway.
Hello. That's a very good question. Just to be clear, what are the dimensions to your sheet roll up doors?
Thanks for the video. Silly question: how loud is the beeping while on battery backup? Can it be defeated? I’m considering installing this off-grid with a solar charger to keep the battery charged. It that means it’ll beep constantly.
(I have an 18wx12h uninsulated door. Specs say it’s within spec. Am I nuts to try this?)
Hello! Great question! I think the beeping from the opener is not extremely loud but it is apparent and at times a nuisance. Think of the beeping from a smoke detector.
Now I do have a question about powering this opener with a solar charger. How many Kwh does the solar charger output?
I don't think you are crazy powering is the opener off the grid. I believe it's an achievable goal. But do you plan on only using the 12V to operate the opener? Or will the solar power also run the opener?
@@sosgds planning to run it off the backup battery all the time with the solar just charging the battery. This opener will not get a lot of use. Not every day. I know I’ll lose advanced features and lighting but I don’t care. I wish I knew if the beeper was soldered to the board.
But now I’m concerned about the excessive force errors people complain about here. Maybe it’s just a poorly designed unit.
@@BillSmithBSartist so this opener is based off the same system as their 8500 w model. The difference is that it no longer requires a cable tension monitor to detect cable slack to the garage door. Thus I believe it's a software or something within the system that's too sensitive when closing. I hope LiftMaster can get to the bottom of this issue.
Santiago, Could you please share whether or not you have had this excessive force problem with the units you have installed? You are in California so your weather may prevent it from being common, but it is just the most frustrating thing. If you have had the problem, would you please share how to fix it?
I just had one of these installed for me. My father's old 8500 works great. But this new one has been nothing but problems. It will work for about 3 days, then when the temperature changes, it will stop working. Various error codes show up, like excessive closing force detected error code 4-1 and motor control 1-5. I understand that this is related to the removal of the cable tension monitor. The problem is that temperature changes fool the unit into thinking there is excess closing force when their isn't. I live in Illinois and the temperature varies greatly in February (and March, which is just around the corner). Liftmaster has claimed that it has a firmware update that fixes this common and recurring problem, and MyQ is supposed to update the firmware automatically when needed. BUT THERE IS NO WAY FOR MY DEALER to force an update. And apparently the fix has not yet been approved for automatic update.
My dealer has had to be out at least 4 times since the unit was installed just so it can reset itself and operate until there is another change in the weather. This is frustrating beyond words, and I am not the only customer with this problem. It is said to be a flaw in the original firmware that they have made essentially impossible to fix until they get around to it - or my dealer, who has been golden in the past with numerous door openers for the three garage doors we have, is somehow entirely inept, which I do not believe to be the case. Please help if you can!
Hello! Thank you for sharing your experience. Yes I have dealt with this issue. I can work on a video sharing what I did to make the door work. Although, like you mentioned it is specific to my area.
It doesnt give me a lot of confidence in LiftMaster that you said you had to replace a new unit with an updated unit. Then, you said we just have to install it "and pray". Is that really what you'd like to say about a quality product?
I went through two units and finally gave up on this piece of garbage.
I would be pleased if liftmaster allow overhead light to be turned on if photobeam is broken. Like it was in older style was.
That is a very nice feature. Now they just use a motion sensor.
Well I’m a bit pissed since having motion turn on so I don’t trip turning on light after dark. I brought the subscription since I would never get any sleep if motion trips every 20 mins by itself. With a subscription I can turn on detect person.
Does this opener worm on a torquemaster slring system? Is there some kind of conversion kit for it?
Hello. Excellent question. This opener will not work on the Wayne Dalton Torquemaster Plus spring system. The Torquemaster system will need to be converted to a Torsion Spring system. If the system cannot be converted it will require an adapter from Genie.
I was so excited to get these, but unfortunately have had nothing but problems. I am constantly getting error codes: Excessive closing force detected error code 4-1 and motor control 1-5. I had a garage door company come out and try to adjust the doors, they said the doors are perfectly balanced. Still having issues, frustrating!
Hello! Do you happen to have insulated garage doors?
Chamberlain knew about this in January 2024 and have not fixed the issue. I had to replace the unit with a conventional opener at my cost.
So will this wall mount work with a dual track, low head room? If so I'll buy one now.
Hello. Great questions. It will work ONLY if you have a 3.5" low head track. It won't work for a zero low head track.
Sounds like frustrating and headache with this kinda unite. I’ll still stick with the old garage door openers until companies coming up with more reliable units. Don’t have time figuring out company’s screwed up design and keeps on calling the installer waiting for them to show up, if they will, than they won’t even honor their own warranty. If you’re having so much problems with this kinda units as a professional, I don’t think it would be advisable for an average Joe to have it with no help.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. There are so many that feel polarized about this issue.
How are you doing Santiago , I have an insulated garage door in the top has windows.four windows can I used a side mount garage opener
Hello! I'm doing well! Thank you.
Based on the information on your garage door a wall mount garage door opener should work perfectly.
If I had my choice I would go with a Genie 6170 wall mount garage door opener.
@@sosgds please explain your choice on the genie,I thought that you like life master or Chamberlain side mount
Gladly.
As a garage door pro I prefer the Genie because of it's simplicity to install and reliability. Genie's Aladdin Connect app was a bit lacking. Yet now they have updated and to a certain degree surpass the MyQ platform.
We are a garage door business in SF bay and we have been having some issues with this new 98022 . Issue : Code 1-6 . Apparently is a coasting issue at full open position. Any thoughts on that ?
Thank you,
Walter
Hello Walter. Yes that is what we also experienced. The door was perfect at the 7 foot level. There should have been no reason for the motor to feel an obstruction. Yet, we took tension off the springs just enough for the door to feel a little heavy. And apparently that did the trick.
I will keep you posted . It seems like this will be an issue and Hopefully LiftMaster can do something about it because it has become a pain in the behind for us already.@@sosgds
Likely is fixed with a logic board change. Call LiftMaster. New boards fixed my units.
LiftMaster fixed the issue with new logic board.
tried installed this unit over the weekend, no issue when setting it manaully but once i click the buttom to close the door the wires unspun from the drum. had a door company come out, he fixed cables, re-tortioned the spring, and tried again, same issue. upon lowering the door it came unwound again. after a few adjustments, a few more tries, and a few hours later it was late and he gave up. he's going to come back in a few days to try again and if all else fails reinstall my old opener. i think the issue may be with the door balance, while i can raise the door with one finger, it takes a lot of force to lower it and as a result the motor keeps spinning, doesnt detect slack, and the cable unspins from drum. its a normal size, uninsulated, 2 car door with low clearance and a single spring which is in good shape. if we can't sort it I'll just have to return the motor.
Hello. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Yes, based on what you shared it does sound like your garage door balance is off. The door should stay open at the turn at each section over the radius.
I had the same experience with thrown cables. The problem is Chamberlain's.
My garage door was damaged by a delivery driver recently. I am having to put in a whole new door and motor. What is your reccomendation.
Hello! Thank you for the question. There are so many variables. What type of door do you want? Do you require a specific size? What sort of energy efficiency would you like to achieve? Are you in an HOA? Do you require certain security features based where you live?
Would you go with a Chamberlain RJO110? On sale dor $150 cheaper.
Will my illuminated lcd liftmaster wall mount remote work?
Thanks
Hello! $450 for a wall mount garage door opener is a great price. Yet, with Chamberlain/LiftMaster dealing with an Excessive Force Closing issue, I can't recommend this opener. Of course, you may have better success vs. others. Thus, if you have a 880LWM smart wall console, then it should work with this opener. Hope this helps.
It's actually $399 rn. I have 3 single car garage doors (single metal sided and insulated on the back). I'm thinking that with the light load the opener should be good?
@@sosgds
Lifetime warranty but they wouldn't replace the one you had issues with?
Correct. In fact, the phone rep at customer service wanted me to open the motor up before even considering a replacement. I had to go back to my distributor in order to get support.
Did you have to go back to this property after installing the new one?
Hello. Yes I did. But after replacing the opener I decided to focus on the garage door. I made an adjustment to the torsion springs and that seemed to have done the trick. I have not received a call back.
What color is the learn button on the 98022?
The LiftMaster openers that are currently out all have a yellow learn button.
Hey Santiago, great video. Still think i will go with a Genie wall mount. Have you expanded your work area to S Corona yet, would like you to install new a door and motor??? Lets party.
Let's party. Shoot me a text!
What difference would the doors being insulated make other than them being heavier? I'm curious as I'm contemplating buying one of these openers for a 14' x 8' insulated door.
The issue is control system was poorly engineered. Get a new board from Listmaster and the unit will work fine.
Does it now work directly with Alexa? Patching with MyQ is a pain. They need to ditch it.
December 19, 2023
With more and more devices like the flipper becoming more accessible. Why would you advocate for a wifi option. Seems to me Wi-Fi is the least secure option.
Party at the garage door pad.
I am deciding between the chamberlain wall mount vs belt drive.
Cost aside would you go with the wall mount?
the wall mount operators are a great way to clean up the appearance of your garage, the downside is that they are far more sensitive to poorly installed or poorly maintained doors. your experience will depend on the condition of your door and technician that installs the operator. Since you said Chamberlain, I am assuming you are buying a retail unit. If you intend to install it yourself, do a thorough inspection of your door and test its operation manually to identify any issues before you buy the operator.
Just had a professional install one of these and am getting some error codes on a double door. The door goes up just fine. Upon closing, it goes down about 6 inches then goes back up. (Profile 1)
From what I can gather in your other videos/comments. It sounds like adjusting the springs 2 quarter inch turns to make the door heavier and adjusting the door rails up so there is some downward rake takes care of this issue? Any advice?
Thank you!!!!!!
Those would be my suggestions for sure.
Yet they're supposed to be an update from LiftMaster that will help the software mitigate this issue.
Have you updated the software to MyQ?
What can you tell me about the experience of using this opener now a month out?
@@sosgds we couldn’t live with it every day for weeks, so liftmaster replaced the unit with a standard overhead belt unit
The lift master 3800 8500 has a great sound these I don’t like the “sound “
I hope lift master that they didn’t infringe on a copyright to do this
I hope they did 😂😂😂😂😂😂
why @@gsxr600rafii
Why don't or haven't you reviewed the Ryobi garage door openers?
Which model of Ryobi do you think is worth reviewing?
@@sosgds Good question 🤔
I thought Ryobi stopped making them because they had so many problems
Because they were absolute garbage. We had to install about 30 of them. Those people had to buy different operators within 2 years.
@@gsxr600rafii I haven’t come across any myself but I know one of my neighbours put one in a couple years ago and lately I’ll consistently see them operating their door by hand 🤷♂️
I have a glass heavy garage door, can this work for me?
Hello. Great question. Yes it will do just fine with a full view door. What size of door is it?
@@sosgds Double door garaj.
I never messed with that tensioner, a 1k ohm resister bypasses all that mess.
Hello. Interesting solution. How do you use the resistor? Did you apply it to the logic board or the cable tension monitor?
@@sosgds Where you would normally plug in the wires for the monitor, plug in the resistor. Through the monitor in the trash.
What is the approx cost?
Good question. It will depend on the local area.
How does it compare to the RJ0101?
Hello. Great question. I have yet to work with RJO101, but they are virtually the same opener.
Made by Chamberlain sister company
Liftmaster just posted on their RUclips channel a video on how to install the 90832, very odd design
I meant the 98032
I think the wire length for the supplied wall button is more than adequate. It is plenty to mount the wall button to the jamb under the operator. If you want it somewhere else, then the electrician should have wired the house for that and had the wires wherever the customer wants them. That's not the responsibility of the manufacturer to determine where someone wants things mounted in any way, because every house/person is different. Your solution is what we do also for genie and LM wall mounts. We put the wired button on the jamb and wireless wherever the customer wants, if it's not already wired properly. Also, i doubt that they could have a wireless wall station with motion/lcd ect. that would work very long before the batteries drain. The battery technology isn't there. Nor does it make sense having to charge via usb the wall station. I do enjoy your videos coming from a professional viewpoint, we all have our opinions. I do still like the Genie units better than the electrical issue plagued LiftMaster/Chamberlain units of the last few years.
Wow! This is fantastic feedback! You make very strong points. I agree with you that it's not LiftMaster's responsibility to determine where to have the wall button positioned. In theory the wall button could be placed anywhere, thus the wire would work just fine. I'm always looking for a new perspective. This gives me much to think about when making the full review.
Tell me, what are your thoughts on garage door R Value efficiency?😅
Sounds like i need to look at something other than a LiftMaster.
We have eight 827LM lights for our shop lighting. Commercial customers didn't need them.
As a lifelong low voltage system installer and repair tech, carrying a spool/box of any wire type in one's truck/van that one is most likely to need for 90% of installs is basic preparedness. I always did so myself, and I made sure that any of the techs I supervised were likewise prepared. The same goes for caddies of screws/bolts/anchors, a pack of various size zip ties to clean up wiring, etc. Expecting a manufacturer to toss in everything necessary to install a product (or at least 90% of installs) is pretty foolish, and experience has proven time and time again that when manufacturers do throw in hardware, it's the cheesiest pot metal garbage out there and the wire is steel, not copper.
Thanks for the feedback. Is there a specific gauge you prefer using?
@@sosgds 1pair18g stranded copper was always reliable, and I preferred that to solid copper because solid copper wiring had a nasty tendency to occasionally break during installation, almost always in the most difficult pulls, making it the most frustrating troubleshooting/replacement. Worse, the solid wire would sometimes deliver intermittent failure because the metal would carry current at times and other times not, and the customers would report completely unpredictable problems.
I would not install one on anything less then 15" radius
Is that because of preference? Wall mount garage door motors tend to work better when a garage door uses gravity closing. On a vertical track door they are practically perfect. I'm interested in your feedback.
Why?
I got that same model last week, already on my second service call tomorrow. The system is garbage as the cable on the spool keeps getting loose which causes the cable to fall off the spool on both ends. I would not recommend this junk. I paid over $4700 Canadian for this with a new single folding garage door, installed by a professional.
Thank you for sharing your experience. What is the company that installed the motor willing to do for you? How old is your garage door?
This is a defective product and chamberlain should be sued for continuing to market it. Class action.
ruclips.net/video/uzFS3QDcqw0/видео.html
Tip for installers set all the flash settings to 5 you will thank me later
Interesting. So you suggest using the High Lift or Vertical Lift setting?
What's the rationale behind this suggestion?
This is the best wall mount on the market period regardless of what people say.
No wireless wall button or backup battery is a joke.
Indeed. The motor still has a batter backup.
Wireless wall stations would be a big mistake. Being able to have all the functionality that you get from the LM wall station is a massive deal on hi-lift and full vertical doors. Switching to a wireless would mean the homeowner would need a tall ladder every time they wanted to add a remote or keypad, program a car, extra light, etc. The app would help with some of that but i go LM over Genie on tall doors for that reason every time. Well, that and the plastic genie clutch is a joke.
1/2 HP will not do! Garbage.
Hello. On standard doors I think the 12V is fine. Yet I would not install them on custom wood doors.
too much talking.
Clickbait. Thumbs down. If you're going to do a review, just say it's a review.
I have a review video coming soon.
show the damn product not your face---waste of a review
Thank you for taking the time to provide your feedback.