Nobbel Reacts to: The War Within Announce Cinematic
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- Blizzcon 2023 dropped a 3 expansion plan on us, the world soul stage, starting with the war within. In this video I react to the announcement cinematic, give some insight and a rar reaction at the end. I hope you'll enjoy ^_^
Deep dive: 0:00 - 14:33
Live reaction 14:34 - 24:56
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The idea that some people don't know who thrall is is making my head spin. Not in incredulity, but just realizing how long he's been in the background.
crazy aint it?!
I just thought the same, with a strange feeling of "Have I became that old, that it has to be explained who Thrall is?" Craaazzzyyyyyyy!
man this reminded me how when we saw chris metzen again...i forgot how it had been a while and he just looked so much older than i remembered XD
I hope they retcon everything from bfa to dragonflight the same way they tried to retcon metzens ideas 😅
my god the CGI on anduin is absolutely ridiculously good. He looks real. The emotion they put into his face is just... unbelievable.
Asmongold hated it
@@shadowzach00 Asmongold seems to hate everything these days
@@shadowzach00 doesn't mean I gotta hate it too just because he does.
@@shadowzach00 Completely wrong information - Asmon said the CGI was absolutely amazing and superb, he didn't like Anduin bitchin and crying.
@@shadowzach00don’t care. Me see fancy pretty thing.
Thrall pushing his chest against the blade to stop it from shaking was such a great bit of cinematography. And a really clever bit of character writing. I don't know if something like that would actually work in real life, but when watching it play out, I firmly believed it worked in that moment. Anduin, shaking and lost, and then Thrall, without even touching him, stabilises his shaking hand. It was a beautiful moment. I've not been following the story much recently, but that cinematic was fantastic.
Absolutely! Highlight of the cinematic for me!
8:16 love how Anduin repeats what Saurfang says in the Old Soldier cinematic.
Just wanna say I really appreciate the videos you put out on the lore and I especially appreciate that you take the time to recap past events instead of assuming everyone already knows everything. Been watching your content since 2014. You're the man, Nobbel.
Been a fan of warcraft since wc3.
Seeing Metzen back on stage put a smile on my face!
I've played since BC (2008) and *I* got excited to see Metzen.
I cried a little bit when Metzen got on stage with that presentation. Just takes you back to the good days, hopefully everything will be on the up from here forward.
He was hired to pick up sales and be the hype man 😂
@@omensoffatemust suck being so miserable. 😢
@@youngcracker9517They're not exactly wrong. Metzen was only brought back to try to bring people back to WoW because numbers (allegedly) aren't great. I'm happy Metzen is back and think the writing will improve, but they didn't do it for the love of Warcraft.
Oh snap this is Velens vision he had back when Anduin was a child.
I like to think that Jaina knew exactly where Anduin has been, but Thrall whom has kinda went through a similar crisis of self character, kept telling her and others that Anduin needs time away to heal himself
Given that Jaina has been through some trauma herself (though not the same kind, obviously), I'd imagine she and Thrall would be the ones telling others to give him space while keeping tabs on him from a distance.
@@Beredaman08 yeah… that’s true. Anduin adopted parents lol
Given that Thrall is a shaman, he understands Anduin's pain. He was there to help him and comfort him
I actually made a parallel between Thrall and Anduin on reddit and it caught a lot of attention. The connection i made here was, Thrall lost his shamanistic abilities after slaying Garrosh, Doomhammer went quiet, the elements he could no longer hear, he lost his power, due to his own inner conflict, and doubt. Anduin has much the same, he admitted he has no light, and he's not that person anymore. Again.. i think it's a self doubt and inner conflict thing. I think blizzard likes doing throwbacks in cinematics to get people hyped, that's all. But i think this is more about.. Thrall relating to Anduin.
I somewhat agree, but he used Astral Recall? at least, the colors of the icon in game were depicted in the cinematic. of the two, Green Jesus is the one who specifically touches the ground & gets hit with a vision, as opposed to Andu who closes his eyes. they both receive the 2nd vision afterwards, but the initial contact of Thrall’s hands on Azeroth’s ground felt v shamanistic. perhaps it’ll be a theme of stepping back into power for these big names? or finding something new altogether via “Hero Talents?”
@@hotlikesauceThrall got his shaman abilities back in Shadowlands.
That's a great point!
also very well represented having both of them at the center point of the cinematic since Thrall suffered his own war within and now Alduin is also suffering his own war within.
They like to toy with throwbacks, but also with internal topics and player psychology. Anduin and Thrall could technically, realistically be stand-ins for so many different levels of things.
No exaggeration, this cinematic was fantastic. Anduins face doesn’t trigger any sort of uncanny valley for me, and his face alone makes me feel for him
The War Within is not only within Azeroth. Is within Anduin.
Alleria isn't getting visions from the World Soul at all. She is getting visions from the Void directly, trying to move her towards siding with Xalatath. That is why it is emphasizing the amulet of Iridikron in Knaifu's hand, and focusing on her (Knaifu) and the Nerubians. She even mentions that in her dialogue in the features trailer. The World Soul wouldn't and I believe couldn't individually target people right now outside of Magni. Alleria gets the knowledge of the visions from Turalyon, and he probably knows her visions, as they tend to share these things. It wouldn't make sense that suddenly Azeroth herself just goes "Hey Alleria, see these visions!" when everyone else can just barely hear her.
Yeah alleria be hearing the call from the void/different message as the others, that's what she says in the trailer. The part about visions/hearing voice for multiple people comes from the anne stickney wowhead interview: Anne Stickney: It's a part of the Saga. The World Soul is calling to people, and calling for a reason. And a lot of people have been hearing these words and these visions.
Every single time I hear Anduin's theme it gives me chills
Well put on a sweater homie.
Anduin looks like he's suffering a bad case of PTSD. He hacked off his hair (you can see parts where his scalp shows through). Flashbacks, hypervigilance, isolating himself. It should be intriguing to see if he can truly pull himself together. Thank you for showing this and giving your insights into it.
Loved this. Nobbel always made the story easier to follow. I am so happy you uploaded BOTH parts the reflection on it and your initial reaction live. Thank you
I don't play WoW but that was a great trailer, the graphics were amazing!! I hope the expansions will be triumphant for you guys! ♥
Thanks, I hope you win in real life :P
Guy in chat: I would like this if it wasn't done in Shadowlands.
... that's the point. Anduin has been hiding out for 3 years since escaping the Maw. He was tortured beyond all reason, forced to do abhorrent terrible things. The fact he is sane at all is a miracle, that's part of the point of this cinematic. To reflect on where Anduin's mind has been.
I would love for the throne of SW to be contested now. That there is now a faction within the alliance that is mad Anduin abandoned the throne and does not accept him back so easily.
They set up this awesome plurality of alliance leadership in legion: Greymane, Mekkatorque, that dwarf lady, etc
Then proceeded to never use any of them ever again. I'd really like to see the geopolitics of azeroth explored a little more, some clashing of values, that kind of thing.
i love politics i hope they do it, but i don't think they will. they seem to be setting up another epic adventure type story
The funniest thing to me is after rewatching the cutscene of Anduin picking up Shalamayne I remember that the Garothi world breaker has a protective face plate, cause Varian one-shot the prototype at the broken shore.
I also felt that Metzen threw out the old story team's ideas instantly :)). Essentially trying to delete shadowlands
Good
Metzen was still working on WoW during BFA and contributed to the Chronicle books. He was involved in setting all that up.
@@SuzakuX He was involved with every wow property and let things slip. And definitely was not part of shadowlands
Hes not deleting their old stories. Hes more like weaving them into his own. If he was throwing out their ideas out then Anduin wouldn't have PTSD from the Jailors domination. And wouldn't have callbacks to Shadowlands.
@farkas266 What is shadowlands? Never heard of it.
as someone also pointed out to me, Anduin even with all his doubts and fears, always had the Light to turn to, he believed that it's divine power would never fail him. but yet The Jailer was able to smash his barrier and capture him with ease, he probably begged the Light to come help him, to save him somehow, but the Light never answered, hence why he feels unworthy and without Light as he states in the Cinematic, since he ultimately had to save himself.
Anduin is stated to be 25 by the time Dragonflight takes place, so if we assume it follows the usual 1-year cycle, he'd be 26 in The War Within.
I like how in the cinematic, anduin’s sword kind of mimics sargaris’ sword. The tip of the sword, plunged into the sand, reminiscent of the sword of sargeras plunged into Azeroth
This is so well done! I have been playing since vanilla and even I have a hard time sometimes with the story line but videos like this really does help so much! Thank you for this!!!
Great video Nobbel - like always! - ty for inserting fragments from the old cinematics!
He looks so cool in this, I kinda like that they're dealing with the issues of PTSD as well with him. You don't see that in video games very much.
I didn't go that far, i thought it was just extreme guilt. Like seeking atonement for causing something and feeling to be isolated as a self-punishment and believing that you're either not the same person anymore or don't deserve the reverence that was you based on the thing you did.
Thanks Nobbel. I can always count on you to catch me up. Well done on putting this together and getting us caught up, especially for those of us who got turned off after BFA. I got goosebumps from this cinematic.
You made a great point about balance in storytelling. If all you have is action, you end up with dumb stuff like Michael Bay Transformers. If you have nothing but emotions, you end up with... Dragonflight. Action and emotional storytelling should compliment and support each other, not have one be a substitute for the other.
This is so true.
I like pepper, but if there's too much pepper in a dish it tastes bad.
you need action in an expansion reveal...it was utter garbage
@@neugassh3570 Why use the word garbage? Just say you don't like it. I was pretty disappointed that it didn't feature a "hook", like some action, but to call it trash is... come on.
@@hybridh9702 WoW isn't a drama though. So this comparison is entirely meaningless in this situation.
@@eyrindirkharneus3815 everything is drama : |
I was just watching other reactions and waiting on this. Yay I'm early for once
Thanks Nobbel for keeping me up with the story of WoW. Nice Soul Reaver chat font ;)
Thanks for all the content Nobbel
Anduin in this cinematic had the internet collectively saying “I can fix him”, and I’m here for it.
Yes I am one of them lol
All he needs is a hot shower and some tea.
I agree, there is nuance in Anduin's situation, people who did not quit the game can see it more clearly or maybe just more empathic people. I love it
One beard strand of Anduin in that cinematic has more polycount than a full WoW character model
Did people really ask the question of how he got there...in a world where teleporting magic is an everyday thing lol.
this whole cinematic feels like metzen finishing up anduins sad arc in 2 minutes and then "but look at that EXPANSION ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE"
and honestly i feel thats a good thing
Great vid as always Nobbel ...ur the lore GOAT!!
I really enjoyed the reveal and the cinematic.
Is it just me or does Anduin look exactly like Stephen Amell from the arrow tv show?
I thought the same the second I saw him
"We need to address the sword! Who knows what the sword is about?"
"None of us were ever told what the sword was about!"
"Then bring me someone who was!"
*Enter Metzen*
I really hate people complaining about how Anduin feels and acts like. They have such a toxic view on masculinity it feels, that they can't let a man be depressed or struggle with PTSD.
Emotional maturity is at an all-time low. Welcome to the tiktok generation.
men complain that their mental health struggles aren’t taken seriously and then proceed to be the biggest parts of their own problems lol. so frustrating to see.
@annaborchion9285 Keep in mind that many of the the same people shaming men for not taking mental health seriously are also propagating an ideology that views men as the root of all societal ills. Its difficult to take them seriously on the things that they are right about when they simultaneously perpetuate that mental crisis with their ideology.
It is tough, for sure. I think it is important to Keep in mind that many of the same groups ridiculing men for not taking mental health seriously are also propagating a set of ideas that views men as the root of all societal ills. Its difficult to take them seriously on the things that they are right about when they simultaneously perpetuate that very same crisis with their ideology.
It's a lot like war profiteering. Creating conflict so that you can create solutions to the conflict, but if anyone is able to see what you're doing, they won't take you seriously when you day how horrible the conflict is.
It's trama it just proves that people never experienced it In there lives before because if they have they wouldn't be talking shit
again another amazing video
Perfectly said . Thank you as always. ❤
Thrall got his hands on some Rogaine
Halloh Nobbel. I wish this was 10 years ago, but here we are. Trilogy hype :)
Such a great video putting all of the references together. I didn't finish Shadowlands, so this was super helpful as a lore fan.
The jailers theme played when they showed the sword, we cannot get away from this man
When they are looking at the sword, isn't it the jalier theme playing?
I love Anduin's story it's been amazing so far and looks like it'll somehow get better and better.
Anduin looks like he was lead designer for world of warcraft for a year...
Haven’t watched Nobbel in a MINUTE but the nostalgia that clicked when he opened with “Helloo evryonnnnnne” 😂
I think it's funny how thrall may have just used the portal from zuldazar to silithus lol
We have been colleting his vagabond robes since July 🙂. Should be interesting to see where they take him.
Steve Daneuser is punching the air right now with Metzen back LOL
He's lucky he not punching a pink slip with how badly he's been doing.
Tbh, it makes sense to go back in time now, the aspects probably regained their power at this point so it would theoretically be better to deal with the sword now.
at 5:20 "But the banshee queen is not his father" =D =D great one Nobbel, someone that haven't have enough sleep =D
I loved the cinematic, the quality is stunning! I like how they have aged Anduin, with the last several years of his life it would be lame if he didn't age because of it. I dont see what they are doing as really going back in time though, more like following up on story lines that were left in the dust and finishing them off or pushing them forward.
All the new stuff coming out is intriguing for sure.
Haven't played WOW for a very long time now , age and time waits for no one sadly but i have followed the trailers and story. The graphics and tone for this new trailer are absolutely beyond belief. Looks utterly insane my god.
Holy...wow...that flinch is soooo real.
Anduin looks like Cal Kestas from Jedi Survivor
Anduin looks like Ragnar Lothbrok from the Vikings!
That's it I'm rolling Alliance
Anduin ist such a fanfiction character, it hurts.
Hi Nobbel! I haven't played wow since right before BFA ended. what videos of yours can I watch to get caught up on the lore to understand the cinematic? Why is Anduin so sad?
He was mindcontroled by the jailer, basically turning him into a death Knight and he killed a bunch of people. Now the light has abandoned him
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Anduin did the Arhas pose from Wrath of The Lich King Trailer.
that sword scene was not from shadowlands....that was almost just like the lich king/arthas
Just when I think I'm out... the *pull* me back in!
I wonder if the sword will forever be stuck there or they somehow will be able to dismantle it. Although is improbable, it isn't impossible.
so the next 3ish expac (as arcs usually mean a story/journey of beginning middle an end) unlike previous expacs will be directly related to each other instead of having a linking sub story/plot that led to new ones as past xpacs did?
Anduins pose was the same as Arthas from the LK cinematic
Been playing since it dropped I guess I'll continue on lol
Honestly the Grom killing Manneroth and the talk with Thrall is probably still my fave Warcraft cinematic.
That's a hard one! That one for sure but the WC3 Intro, the Tomb of Tal'Rasha in D2 or the BC and WotLK cinematics are definitely up there for me.
That sword movement he did was what arthas did when he was the lich king in the wrath cinematic dude, how the hell did you miss that smfh.
Those 3 frames at 8:32; 8:43 and 8:49 are epic and nicely put together there. Well done!
Mama Azeroth calling the boys to dinner.
The arathi is gonna be his arc he’s named after the last arathi noble anduin lothar who was the leader of the alliance just like he’s supposed to be
this scene! i want to raid again! the CGI has gotten so good! and i did think of that comic where Anduin was with Velen(?) and they were about to face the shadow/darkness
@Nobbel87 - Shalamayne is missing the class essence light, it was red for Varian (warrior color), then white for Anduin (priest color), what this mean? who is Anduin? or what is Anduin? Is he no longer a light priest? is he a void priest?
When the World Soul of Azeroth is asking for help, you something serious is going to happen.
Also holy shit but Anduin is basically WoW Derplander, they tried to give him a swagger.
I fucking love this intro. 2 of my favorite characters front and center. Finally staring down a resolution to Azeroth and the void. Please blizz writers, make it worth the wait.
Looks like anduin is going to have to take more after his father now instead of relying on the light
A lot of people are saying Anduin looks like Chris Pine. I actually think he gives me more Stephen Amell vibes.
Anduin is a shadow priest now. Welcome to the emo club, friend.
Midnight Expansion we might just see Anduin vs Turalyon
i agree balance is needed for the storytelling, and same as others in the comments, im happy to see chris metzen back on stage
To me its just painfully awkward that liders of the world don't know about the world soul of Azeroth
im so glad that so many people never encountered real and hard trauma in their time on earth.
Just as an idea.
Anduin is a child, grows up without a mother(he only hears how awesome she was) and a father that fights depression and the vanishes.
gets kidnapped by a dragon, later made a child hostage by dark iron dwarfs while in IF.
has a father that returns with anger issues and nothing he does is good enought for Varian, until Malfurion helps him out of his trauma.
Gets allmost killed by an psycho ork warchief and needs long time to heal like all brocken bones.
Finally makes up with his dad (and then dad dies)
And now as a Teen/young adult has to shoulder all that was his larger then life dad did.
(and Varian had big shoes to fill)
Has to go to battle as a young adult/teen and fight a crazy spycho zombie elf , starts to like saurfang and see another father figure in a way die.
gets taken hostage in shadowlands and forced/tortured to do stuff he doesnt want and at the same time your personality and soul ripped to pieces.
And now he suffers and has all the (in the animation) signs of ex soldier/torture victims PTSD signs and still everyone calls him a B.
(imagine this is the way all Army Veterans feel and nobody gives a damn about them in the end, because MAN up men cant and arent allowed to suffer and show it)
I know how this feels and especially the nobody cares part......
Ended 2019 bright eyed believing in hope and peace. Ending 2023 broken, gaunt, beaten and devoid of hope Anduin enters the halls of Literally me frfr charcaters.
My reaction was:
MY POOR SWEET BABY BOY!!
oooh...
My POOR SWEET BABY MAN?!!! 😢
Then it was uuuugh, why is Asmon in my head right now, "...Blizzard is one cinematic away..."
Thats some TV series calibre animation
Sounding to me like those Ilgynoth whispers are finally coming to pass
It's going to turn out that Sargeras was actually trying to stab one specific void-dude or something, isn't it?
You must be happy to have metzen back! I know i am lol
Anduin looks like the green latern... Steve Amell
love you grom
Am I the only one recognizing the Saurfang voiceline?! "After what I've seen, after what I've done"? That's exactly what Saurfang said to Zappy boi when he attacked him. I love it.
honestly.....id rather a TV series over an MMO at this point.......WoW has burnt me out after the last few xpacs.......but i always keep tabs on the franchise because i fell in love with the Lore of the World. Give me a Lo'Gosh Side-story and Arthas dealing with the Loraderon stuff. By the end of season 1 you would have covered a majority of the Alliance and even touched on the orc culture thru the Arena. Arcane, Fel, Undeath all of this couldve been slowly introduced instead of the 'assumption of knowledge' the movie had.....
I'm exactly like you! I love (most of) the lore in Warcraft. I was so hyped for BFA during the intro and prepatch days. But nothing lived up to the promise, I quit, skipped Shadowlands, all the shit happen, almost fell out of love with Blizzard entirely. Played about a week of DF and still didn't care. I love this cinematic but I remember BFA and I'm weary.
I disagree that Dragonflight is all emotions. Just because there's no pvp doesn't mean it's lacking in action. There's plenty of action in the form of the primalists. It may not burn as hot as all out war between the Alliance and Hoard does, but for the sake of balance, sometimes a slow burn is better.
So is it just me or is it weird that Thrall says stuff like "Something ... Someone is calling out from the heart of the world" and "...but that sword was aimed at someone" . Also Anduin asking Thrall who is calling out to them?
It seems kinda obvious to at least suspect it is Azeroth (The titan) at this point so even if there is a plot twist later on shouldn't they just assume that it is Azeroth calling out or did both of them sleep through all of Legion and BfA to know about Azeroth?
No, I think you misunderstand. They are saying it seems unusual because Azeroth has never spoken to them before......and it is possible that other forces could use voices to trick them. So they are being careful about making wrong assumptions.
And indeed, you and I should also be careful about assuming it is Azeroth.....it is entirely possible that is a lie.
You are seeing this from our point of view, we have so much meta information that these characters don't have.
This is always a danger in story telling. If I write "Thrall broke into Anduins room and stole his water flask"
And later I write about Anduin wondering who took his waterflask, you will be like "Duh, it's Thrall!!!"
But these characters don't know about world souls and titans and all of that, not in the meta way we do.
@@Yattayatta Thrall doesn't know..... but Anduin undeniably and irrefutably and absolutely knows that Azeroth has a world soul inside it.... he was directly involved in the bad story of bfa with the heart chamber and azerite and the nipple robot wanting to drain that world soul of power. By all means, he should be skeptical that the voice he is hearing is that world soul....because we don't have enough information to confirm that or not, yet.
@@laertesindeed That makes zero sense what you are saying. If I have doubt that it is actually Azeroth I talk about how I have doubts that it is actually Azeroth calling and not act like I have no clue who it is.
Yes it might not be Azeroth but the conversation should be about if it is Azeroth or someone else. Both of them act like they have no clue who actually is within Azeroth (the planet). And it is pretty clear that Sargeras sword was aimed at Azeroth so Thrall acting like he has no idea who the sword was aimed at is also not explained.
@@Yattayatta How could they not know? The entire story of BfA was centered around Azeroth the titan sleeping withing who got wounded by the sword.
Unless you are claiming that the King of the alliance did not know that the champion of the alliance is trying to heal the world soul/titan that is leaking Azerite all over there is not a chance Anduin does not know this.
And Thrall would also have to be the biggest idiot to not know about it. It is not like Azeroth having a titan inside is at this point something that is hidden.