Nobbel Reacts to: Shadowlands Cinematic Trailer - Blizzcon 2019
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- Blizzcon 2019 is upon us and with it comes the anouncement of a brand new World of Warcraft expansion! The leaked Shadowlands has been now been confirmed. In this video I give my initial reaction to the trailer. Tomorrow or atleast as soon as possible I'll upload more of a deep dive into the lore and some of the things that are waiting for us. For now...I hope you'll enjoy ^_^
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Woeps wanted to make an early comment but was deep into a script. one note for this reaction; about her power and who she's working with. They've given an explenation/more details in the panel that followed. More on that...soon tm!
If im not mistaken, which if i am i apologize, but i believe his hammer is the DK Artifact the Maw of The Damned.
That is a HUGE problem with the wow lore nowadays. First they screw up, and then they got an "explanation " . Hats off to all WoW book writers, they are working hard to clean the lore
Can u please ask them if they Gona turn her into garosh 2.0 Wana see if I should buy the expansion or quit
Josh D that is not the maw of the damned. The maw was an axe with blades that looked like bat wings with a skull in the center constantly drawing in life force energy. And if you didn’t feed it it would feed off the wielder. Great job by the art department, horrendous fucking writing as far as plot and lore. This screws up sylvannas as a character so much because everything they do to her is the literal antithesis of her being. Since wrath ended they’ve screwed her development up until it’s basically FUBAR. And now greedy activision blizzard just genderswapped the lich king, and are giving us wrath 2.0 and garrosh 3/4.0. Lazy, lazy unimaginative sack of shit over there at blizzard.
@Nobbel87 Did you not see how the sky looked in the cinematic after she broke open the veil? It looks like the sky was the inside of a glass sphere that got shattered. The sky is now broken glass! BROKEN. GLASS. lol
"It's an even bigger Lich King"
World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Licher King
Wrath of the lich King 2: Electric Bugaloo
i love all the people in chat "lich queen confirmed" "we knew it" "so obvious" and then helm gets wrecked. lol.
plot twists
I would of gone with Wrath of the Bitch Queen but I guess they didn't want being mistaking Arthas as the baddie.
But why she want to go to the shadowlands? I know that probably the God of death rule that realm but she wanted to stay alive not to conquer the undead
How does she imagines if she goes there for the valkyres that the ruler will give it to her for free? She's in the gods debt for the void powers.
@@razvandragomir7403 Sylvanus seems like she wants to conquer death, since if she conquers death then she cannot die. In fact, given the last thing she says in the trailer, it seems she wants to end death altogether, so that she can prevent everything people hold dear from coming to its inevitable end. It makes sense that, to conquer death, you would have to conquer the Shadowlands.
@@razvandragomir7403 In the "What's Next" panel they explained that Sylvanas had made a pact with the being shown in the features trailer, which is basically how she's gotten so powerful. I imagine her ultimate goal is to free that being, or steal their power.
sylvanas raging because she didn’t get reins of invincible drop
😂😂
And destroys the loot instead of selling it to the closest vendor 😂
Thank God I got Invincible already :)
She is realllly bitter towards Johnny Awesome.
How can we see it if it's invisible though ?
"his crown will open the way , The blind queen holds a scepter of bone she only brings forth doom “
So we are literally screwed 😁 Thanks Sylvanas
@@rsmith8113 Nah, we'll just kill that bad guy in last patch and its all be ok
This is definitely a Troll, just look at his arms its troll arms.
@@maniek2207 i was thinking about that too, theres a lot of rumors going around who he is though, the arms could also be ''sickly'' or ''dead persons'' arms, if you know what im saying
I forgot about that quote... I wonder what else Ill'gynoth has in store for us when we fight him again.
There is a bit back in Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne, where Illidan uses the Eye of Sargeras to try attack the Lich King from afar with magic, and what he's doing causes earthquakes, with Malfurion sensing what's going on by his connection to the spirits of nature and saying about how northrend, the "the roof of the world" was being torn asunder ( ruclips.net/video/IIz4lgxlLHw/видео.html ). Perhaps that wasn't just a poetic way to talk about the north pole? Illidan confirms a bit later that he was trying to destroy Icecrown, and Maiev lists one of his crimes as "threatening the balance of this world".
Perhaps it was naturally a place where the shadowlands were close, and Icecrown was put there to take advantage of that. Sort of like building an oil derrick, it lets you get the oil but you have to drill so then if you wreck the derrick it spills oil everywhere.
I wonder if the Legion even knew about that. Maybe the demons knew and gave the info to Big boi Sargeras. But why would they go there in the first place when their objective was Azeroth?
It could be possible that most of the legion didn't even know about this, it was specifically a group of dreadlords (which I believe have some connection to the shadowlands) who made the armor of domination (which we will uncover the origin of as stated) and put it in icecrown, this whole things could've been their little secret
@@TheBaffoonShow Dreadlords come from Revendreth, no?
Thành Phạm Duy ???
@@itsmethemario8846 Dreadlords (Nathrezim) come from planet called Nathreza (which is pretty much even more devasted Outland, thanks Illidan)
Next expansion : sylvanas slices a planet in half
Next sylvanas becomes a titan
And throws it at the Avengers.
Wait, wrong universe.
At this point I believe it's possible.
Will she use Flex Tape to fix it tho?
Next Sylvanas fuses the Warcraft + Starcraft + Diablo universe and becomes the God Queen
Sylvanas "I fought the Lich King and I beat him by throwing a rock at him."
Other Warcraft villains "... o.O ..."
Sylvanas "What? It was a _big_ rock."
Nice Batman TAS reference.
You completely forget that he looks completely fine ("alive" ?) after this and he is just trap by magical chain on the ground. Finally, he just lost his helm...
this is in no way funnny at all.
Well she hardly did that with only a rock.. lets not ignore the fact that Sylvanas is overflowing with power from whoever is suplying her from the Shadowlands. And if not for those chains i sincerely doubt bolvar wouldnt just disintegrate that rock mid air(we can actually see him reach out while bound).
@@dawnheroes7574 Exactly. She didn't beat him in the straight fighting sense. Her goal was clearly to immobilize him enough to take off the helmet, which she succeeded in. Bolvar was pretty much just playing with her, amused by the show she was putting on while neither inflicting any damage on the other.
Nobbel: Put it on Nathanos
Ner'zhul in the helm: oh that weak minded fool would be perfect
@Keeper that was retconned, Ner'zhul was still present but after breaking the helm I think its safe to say he's finally gone
@Keeper It's also canon that, as a Frost DK in Legion, you destroy both Arthas AND Ner'zhul within the shards of Frostmourne, so yeah, he's gone forever. XD
@Keeper no Bolvar himself started to loose his control too the Jailor is the true Lich King the Shadowlord as Kelthuzad called him in TFT is the true king to say to conquer him is foolish and arthas : will see about that after i conquer death it self ... Kelthuzad: surprise pikachu face
@@Killerbot23 Nerzhul was prezent in the sword and had no control over Arthas he was merely cannon fodder for the sword the dagger dealt with him in WC3TFT arthas was not in control but the shadowlord knows as the jailor was for the vessels are his extention to the mortal real
in WC3TFT Kelthuzad talked to that lord and arthas interrupted him arthas only said :what who were u talking to nevermind is all prepared and then kelthuzad revealed to him he was talking to their master the shadowlord know as the Jailor and arthas said he will conquer death to and Kelt said i doubt that will ever happen even you are a puppet of his masterplan arthas: shut up watch your mouth damn Lich
I'm gonna call it, right here right now, the way this expansion ends is with us having to reforge the Helm of Domination or create it's replacement so we can seal the breach between Azeroth and the Shadowlands.
That's exactly what i was thinking. The question is: will someone new wear it? or Will it just be encased in ice and nobody touch it ever again?
@@bad6uy117 Unironically a good point for WoW to end with the Champion of Azeroth becoming the Lich King/Queen, giving a good reason for a god-tier hero to disappear from history.
And Why exactly we would do that? If Azeroth the world is a prison for us (everytime u die in-game, u just revive, never leaving the planet, unable to actually die, upsetting balance of life and death) or Azeroth the planet is a prison built by other titans for the world soul Azeroth. I think we want to do the exact opposite of closing it. #SylvanasMyQueen
@@steelhorn1393 Well Azeroth for one, is NOT a prison for it's titan soul. Titan souls have planets around them by nature. The Pantheon did not create Azeroth, they just sent the Old Gods that were already on the planet underground and out of power.
And the reason we revive every time we die is gameplay, not lore. They said spirit healers come from the Shadowlands, but that does not mean that every one of our characters' deaths are canon.
@@MrBern-ex3wq Yeah, keep on living in a lie, you think Pantheon is good but you shall see, one day.
The Helm of Domination has so much lore wrapped around it, how it was fashioned, why, the trials related to it. We were never kept in the dark. Meanwhile, Sylvanas' powerup has continued to be a mystery. Storytelling wise this feels bad. I would expect to be enlightened eventually. But Arthas had to fight through a lot to reach Ice Crown and the Helm, and we as players were right there with him. If this turns out just to be some bestowed powerup you'll hear me groan from here.
Well the mistery around Sylvanas powerup is intentional, its not bad just because it doesnt follow a previous story, and in fact i quite enjoy not knowing who is the big bad feeding death juice to Sylvanas, makes things get a difefrent tone once in a while. We will get enlighted eventually, its just that the story didnt reach that point yet
LK has no longer tousands souls in rune blade and so isn't as powerfull even if he did how many time you did 1 shot LK while farming invincible? We're strong,she's strong.
@@brunohommerding3416 Not knowing the big bad, I get you -- But at this point we've crossed the Mary Sue line A LONG TIME AGO imo. She one-shots everyone? She never loses, ever. It's starting to get very boring very quickly. As an alliance player, it kinda feels like we're constantly spreading salt in our wounds as we're essentially a punching bag.
Don't get me wrong, I love Horde lore as well -- But this Sylvanas stuff is getting severely old, very quickly imo. Worst part is that I fear her redemption won't be dead and forgotten -- Rather become something really 'cool' like the new Lich Queen. Ugh...I vomited in my mouth a bit.
@@Regalya dont mix game mechanics with in game lore. The fact that our characters one shot Arthas now have no bearing on power levels and stuff.. if he were to be alive, none of our characters would "one shot" him lorewise, quite the contrary actually.
And on a second point, Frostmourne amplified the Lich King's powers yes but it was not what made the bulk of what the Lich King was, that was the Helm of Domination.
@@aztaclalz oh dont get me wrong, im with you on the part where its annoying that Sylvanas gets away with everything.. i actually wouldnt mind her succeeding like she did, but she should have done so just barely, with far more "bruises" and paid far greater prices, not just casually walking around and getting her way like its a summer breeze. It would make her op still yes but it would be far more believable
"I wonder when Bolvar got his hammer and armor upgrades"
Dude, he;'s been sitting on that throne for 8 years, the man had to do something with his time :P
Yeah that was odd.
He looks out of form. Maybe he played chess with undead?
He wears the same *Belt of the damned* (correct me if im wrong with the name) as Arthas did. Pretty outdated on gear I'd say.
Blacksmithing, mats collection and lots of artistic liberties.
@@aegoni6176 Yeah, he wears Arthas armor. Only the hammer is new
The thoughts that went through my head when I watched this was how the hell did Sylvanas get this strong, not just with her powers, but physically strong, pulling that huge chunk out of Icecrown.
Right? Being undead, I would think her arm would snap off first.
Sylvanas getting an offscreen power up by joining with a primordial being and ending a fan favorite character just doesn’t feel satisfying. She didn’t earn the power like say illidan, who earned his demon form directly in wc3 and is implied to get stronger with every demon he kills which is shown proactively afterwards. She also isn’t even serving him, she’s somehow strong enough to be partners which feels weird, and makes me think of azhara 2.0 where she’s “partners” with an incredibly more powerful being n’zoth. She seems blown out of proportion by this point and me and others just have sylvanas fatigue, just wanting her to either be killed as an enemy or just handle the worlds problems herself since she’s obviously invincible.
How is she invicible, she kills a 80 years old orc and of course the lich king who's a much stronger opponent but let's face it, she do not stand a chance against Malfurion. And for once it's good to have a character thats isnt just about honor. She's also a freaking badass in every cinematic and Wow cinematics are trending recently so she's personally my favorite character ( 2nd is or was the LK btw)
@@truthiz2805 I can promise you -- If RUclips showed thumbs down. You'd be at a solid 50 by now. I am not saying you're not allowed to have an opinion. However it's a strange one indeed mate. The way she is written and portrayed feels like it was made by an angsty 14 year old imo.
@@aztaclalz Disagree, i dont get easily offended when a popular character dies or is defeated. And id never have 50 thumbs down with a video of around 10k views but i can see why i have a different opinion. That being said, you should def read some books and especially some books involving sylvanas. She's a fucking badass and much smarter and cooler than portrayed in the game (i still think she looks badass in the game imo).
@@truthiz2805 remember at the battle of lordaeron where she raised, what, ten soldiers at least as skeletons with a wave of her hand? and you say the lich king is a stronger character but strength doesnt matter when only one attack lands and it seems, at least to me, that it only landed because she wanted it to. after all she didnt seemed too damaged right after being hit. what more does it take to be considered invincible, at least post legion? I dont hate her for not being about honor, i like wrathion and he gives me the vibe that he'd cast honor aside if he felt it was for the good of azeroth. I just want to see her personally fail at something she had a hand in, at least have the lich king break some ribs and show it was a proper fight to signify his strength.
@@truthiz2805 I COMPLETELY agree that Sylvanas WAS badass. The warcraft series have absolutely carried her well.... in the past. What she has turned into is an absolute mess. As per usual, the Horde or a Horde character -- gets everything and the alliance becomes a punching bag or gets to sit by the sidelines. Yes, I am a salty alliance player at this point.
The first two undead soldiers look so much like the human and orc in the first cinematic in WC3.
One of them is a woman, though...
@@KaNoMikoProductions I'm aware. I mean, the placement, the movement. Its the same.
Just a homage, i guess.
I mean....It's not a proper warcraft cinematic without a human and an orc in it is it?
I think they need to explain why is Helm of Domination the key that breaks the barrier. Helm is quite a recent invention, so it seems off it is the thing that triggers this whole thing.
They should also explain how does BfA and N'zoth factor into all of this. Because this cinematic feels very disconnected from BfA
Yes the afterlife is present in the game but how breaking one supposed way to that world opened up a rift of that size even if the veil may be slightly not present in the northrend
That's something I wonder too, since the veil existed long before Kil'Jaeden created the Lich King. The only thing I can figure is that with the rise of the Lich King an imbalance was created and that since then Azeroth has acclimated to the introduction of such an entity, and that by destroying the Helm of Dominion the status quo has shaken suddenly enough to shatter the barrier. But that's just speculation on my part.
Would make more sense if the actual icy spire the frozen throne is carved into was the thing that had to be destroyed. It’s probably been there the longest, whilst the helm was invented after the Second War.
@@KingRigo2000 what? the helm was invented after the second war? how drunk are you! the helm has existed ever since the lich king became a thing... it was always in the iceblock until arthas finally came to wear it. Its literally where nerzhul was put into... not frostmourne but the helmet. Frostmourne is simply a soulsucking sword which enhances the lich king's abilities further.
bfa and such affects this due to the massive body count that we left behind us. chek out the whats next panel ;)
Helm of Domination- Crafted by KJ in twisting nether with the soul or Ner'zhul one of strongest shamans ever existing and with arthas as lich king almost destroyed whole living existence of azeroth, pulled in half by an angry elf powered by some Jailer in some pocket dimension of azeroth, i miss lore making sense and not blizzard making stuff up, at this point they can just make alternative universes every expansion so it will not hurt wow lore as much
On that note, why is destroying the helm the thing that opens the rift? If the shadowlands predate the titans, they assuredly predate the lich king and his helm...
'I miss when Blizzard's lore made sense' LMAO. Dude WC3 isn't even internally consistent this making sense boat left a long time ago. This JUST NOW crossed the line for you?
all 3 of u are right.
You dont want anything original? We've been fighting the same stuff for years, legion and old gods, what in your opinion will move the story forward? Another burning legion invasion? Another "secret" old god that we will defeat so easily because they're either avatars or either we're so powerful?
Arthas was the powerful one. This is just bolvar.
Blizzard: Sylvanas will not be Garrosh 2.0.
Also Blizzard: Proceeds to make Sylvanas into Garrosh 2.0.
"Put it on Nathanos!" HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
I almost spit my drink
It's disappointing that we are moving on from the Old God stuff this quickly. Like they were supposed to be a big big thing but just another boss...
Maybe not.
Alleria's datamined voice files has her saying that after N'zoth was defeated she started hearing new voices. That may be a hint of more to come, BUT we still don't know how exactly everything will end in 8.3
That and I don't think the void Lord's will give up trying to claim Azeroth like that.
@@andreware2039 Ye but still, I personally thought a whole expansion would be perfect to fit the whole thing on its full scale. From the looks of it, it's possible that is going to be an open window for the future, we kinda defeated him but is he dead?? Mayyybe In case if they decide they want to use him in the future. Idk feels empty seeing the build-up since forever to go down like that in one patch. There is so much potential with old gods but there isn't space nor time to do it in a patch or two.
@@ME-hs7ll I completely agree with you.
N'zoth deserved an entire expansion dedicated to it, but here we go. 1 patch 🙁
At least it's the last of BFA 😁😁😁
@@andreware2039 imagine Nzoth getting entire expansion while they develop shadowland storyline more
Nzoth wasted in a single patch was such a waste of effort and opportunities while current shadowland stories are mostly shit because they had very little development time and was rushed as result(like most event leading to this cinematic/expansion was not present until BoA). What a shame
I bet while we're partying it up in Shadowlands, the Old Gods are gonna take over Azeroth and we're coming back to fight them.
Let's get one thing straight. Even with her current power up, She will still fall short if Arthas was under that helmet.
No she wouldn't. She is as strong as they want her to be.
According to some people he still is because he defeated Ner'zhul within the armor or whatever. So its either Ner'zhul, or Arthas. Bolvar is just a vessel at this point that kept the scourge in check. It look seems that the Lich King took over when everything turned blue.
Meaning that either Arthas or Ner'zhul was in charge, and they got their ass handed to them... for whatever reason.
@@SymplyOP Both arthas and ner'zhul are dead. Bolver turned blue when he started to use helm powers, but since when helm allowes to throw rocks? It was just a fancy undead controlling hat ffs.
@@SapFeaRon When did Ner'zhul die then? Because Kil'jaeden found out he was trying to get away, ripped his body apart but kept his soul intact and aware, put it in the armor and Frostmourne and then sent him to his frozen prison where he was supposed to create an undead army. He wanted out and took advantage of Arthas and eventually led him to the Frozen Throne where Arthas put the helm on. It was even shown in the Frost DK artifact that they were both still had at least remnants of their souls trapped inside the pieces of Frostmourne.
Its not just some helm that controls undead if you actually went and read the lore on the creation of the Lich King.
@@SymplyOP Arthas killed him in the book. About helm - well, yeah it has more fancy functions but mainly it's just a helm that helps command undead and others.
Never played dk in legion so idk about fragments of souls. Maybe just a reflections/echos? It was confirmed several times that arthas is dead and his soul is somewhere else. No idea what happened to Ner'zhul's soul, but probably same thing.
And stop saying aggressively "read the lore". I've been playing warcraft since warcraft 1(!). Not to mention all those years in wow, and insane amount of books for collection :)
Why would breaking an artifact which was made by some demons to hold an orc's soul rip open a skysized portal to the afterlife??
cuz the orc you talk about is ner'zhul, an orcish shaman who gets his powers from the shadowlands, this guy summoned undead ghosts with a snap of his fingers, he corrupted naaru's and almost single handedly wiped out the draenei from draenor with it. if anything a sudden burst of his essense and power leaving the crown like that is gonna do some serious shadowy shit, in this case, open a giant portal.
@@tangosimons8903 You've power creeped Ner'Zhul a lot there with your head canon, and what happened to the Draenei was down to Kil'Jaeden's efforts, Ner'Zhul was just a puppet.
Why would Kil'Jaeden construct a device that when snapped would rip open a portal to the afterlife and then throw it away? Kil'Jaeden is not the sort of guy to just toss that sort of power aside, and they did just discard the Lich King when they arrived on Azeroth, they thought he was pointless after Archimonde was summoned. Do you think they knew breaking the crown would do this? Because it's a serious bug if it was an accident.
Retcon my friendit says that the helm and the sword were created by the same guy that we are going to meet that we will use to craft are legendaries and thus we will probably hear about how the new lich King got his hammer
@@tangosimons8903 Ner'zhul was an Orc, from Dreanor. He should have no connection to Azeroths Shadowlands, neither should the Legion, who made the Helm of Domination. I can understand that Deathknights get their power from the Shadowlands, but Ner'zhul was a shaman. also the Helm only existed for like 25 years or something, so how can it be the key to opening a portal to a realm 'older then the Titans'? the whole thing doesn't make any sense
@@Justicar_Trueblood
I dont know, maybe having a fucking lightning beacon for shadowlands energy sitting for 25 years right under one of the entrances to the shadowlands attune said lightning beacon to a point that would disrupt things if broken/destroyed?
This cinematic alone killed whatever hype I was getting for Shadowlands. I can't believe they pulled a GOT season 8 and just smash cut from someone facing an army to them finishing the last one off. Sylvanas takes down an army and Bolvar on her own without a scratch? Really?
Thank you! Honestly thank you for saying what I've been saying to my friends and fellow nerds. As I've previously stated in the comment section -- She's beyond a Mary Sue at this point. The story feels like it's written by one of the writers angsty and depressed daughter. They don't want to make it too obvious by not showing Sylvanas forearms. Worst part is you KNOW they'll give her a sweet ending becoming either all-loving-good and amazing. Did it for the greater good-type-of-deal... OR, even worse, they'll make her the Lich Queen. I swear to god this is so lame lol.
She’s a McGuffun, period. She’s whatever the devs want her to be because, for some reason, players like her. I don’t get the draw. She was shit, pure shit, in WC3 and easily killed. She’s easily manipulated by making her angry. She was never and never will be interesting as a character to me.
Nick Thompson me fucking either I don’t understand the big deal with her. I hate her voice, hate the way she just is suddenly more powerful than the lich king. The dude we needed a raid for? Sure it’s bolvar or whatever but come the fuck on how many years of build up and making us wait for bolvar to become the new lich king and they just fuck up the helm of domination. So sad
Its not like bolvar was just babysitting some bones on his throne, not even close as powerful as arthas, watching all the events happening in the world. Bolvar is just there to keep the scourge at bay. He probably knew sylvanas was coming and how strong she would be.
@@aztaclalz god every braindeaf pos like you have never heard of Mary Sue now that someone said it and you googled it your wise ass is using it at every corner. If you dont like the game, dont watch the videos, fuuuuck ooooff bro. Let those of us that like it enjoy it in peace. It's fucking Wow. It has bad writing we dont care. Its not a fucking Victorian novel.
Blizzard: Here is some lore
Also Blizzard: Here is some lore to replace that other lore we created
Yep, in my opinion. The wrath of the lich queen was the last cannon warcraft game
@@madness8897 Not sure I follow~
Yeah, it's always nostalgic looking at Warcraft 3 lore or early WoW lore because it's just like "ah, that was three or four different versions of lore ago".
this whole fight is them just throwing rocks at each other LOL
Attack of the Clones flash backs lol
More like Angry Birds lol
pretty big rocks to be fair xD
Naruto type shit. this is the first Blizzard cinematic that I don't like. What k dumb fuck thought that an anime fight would be good for Warcraft.
and ice
Wow the former horde leader get remove and now we have to go in a another world to conclude the story.
SHE IS GARROSH 2.0!!!
was there any real doubt?
Wrong
Not even close.
You don’t know that yet. You’re making assumptions. Who knows what we’re going to do and what Sylvanas is up to in the Shadowlands. She might have some noble goal after all. Just an example, but she could be there to create an army with that Jailer guy to prepare for an eventual void attack. Who knows!
@@TomZazo dude just give it up she's evilshe called The horde nothing abandoned us in the time of need caused the war killed millions caused the problems in the shadowlands and is now working to release the ultimate darkness
She's no hero there's nothing Noble about her it's done
"Sylvanas won't be a Garrosh."
You're right. Garrosh actually cared about his people.
Garrosh was a good leader, butchered cause fanbase hated to see orcs who fought against human. Because fanbase never played first two warcraft.
he only gave a fuck about his orcs. And he was a dumb leader because garrosh realy is the ME SMASH type of orc.
Yeah, his people being orcs, he didn't give a shit about the rest of the horde
@@lelboi3557 Look at the start of Cataclysm. He did. But they changed his character in Pandaland to make him a villain.
@@madcat789 To be honest I don't remember much of Garrosh in Cata, the only thing I remember was what happened in Stonetalon, so just from that alone I would say you are probably right.
00:50 Anyone lurking in the Shadows seeking revenge.
Oh is Tyrande about to get her deserved justice? Nah it's just Blizz and their Sylvanas obsession.
Hypegreene05 Tyrandes deserved justice? Tyrande has fucked over so many people lol.
As soon as something happens to her, she sooks and looks for malfurion for comfort.
Do you know why azshara is pissed off at her? What about Thalyssra? Yeah.. she aint all dandelions and rainbows lol
Sherie Clarke why Azshara pissed? Because Tyrande and Malf ruined her “bring Sargeras to the party” scheme.
Bolivar looked like Anakin after he fought Obi-Wan.
I HATE YOU
@@chipskylark5500 "Well, seeing as how I just f*cked your whole sh*t up...I can understand that."
Wait; you're telling Sylvanas didn't beat up Brand from league just minding his own business?
Artists and VA: A+
Writing: F-
One character being more powerful than another isn't bad writing just because you don't like it.
@@amouramarie Yes it fucking is when the so-called empowerment is purposely left vague so christie goldturd could have her stompshit things around.
@@amouramarie Well the writing is dogshit, and has been since WoD and kicked up a lot of BFA, they have left her general powerlevel super vague so that she can dickstomp anyone the writers want her to, but not do something e.g. Storming Stormwind right now and kill everyone their, but will say "shes not powerful enough", yet shes able to completely 1v1 Bolvar Lich King and the scourge with him
"That was a loadbearing helmet."
Also this Lich King isn't as nearly as powerful as the one we faced in Wrath. He has no Frostmourne, and I'd imagine being bathed in flames of the Aspect of Life would make it harder to channel powers of death.
Yea but previous LK coundnt throw the damn spires of ICC as weapons, Bolvar was as powerful, this cinematic just also shows how powerful slyvanus has become
@@iceheart1289 the previous lich king literally oneshot an entire raid group with no effort, which is arguably a far greater feat
The essence of life when desecrated by darkness gives back even greater death powers. I think that what happened here is that Sylvanas outsmarted the Lich King, rather than overpowered him. Without the chains, I doubt she would have made it.
Powerlevels in WoW has mostly been wack and inconsistent, so trying to argue a reasonable "this is why" is often not worth doing unless you expect the current powerlevels to maintain consistent and within the logic of the Warcraft universe.
well, sylv broke the helm, so I guess even arthas with both helm and frostmounrne wouldn't make any difference. Blizz as always, illogically buffing a character.
12:21 Yeah because Blizzard doesn't care to keep it consistent like Marvel and DC who are also guilty of creating inconsistencies in their universe.
linkzellda lmfao yo marvel and DEF dc do not do power levels great.
The Shadowlands reminds me of Warhammer 40k's Warp, but instead of Slannesh we get owl.
Makes sense considering how Sylvanas is straight up Archaon from age of shitmar.
Well Bolvar did look like he belonged to the Salamanders.
@@Heranara bolvar lives! *Stomp* *stomp*
@@BarokaiRein How old are you, to still be using dumb schoolyard insults for stuff you don't like?
@@BarokaiRein Don't embarass Archaon by comparing him to this walking piece of trash.
The Helm of Domination was my heart.
But it won't be left at that so will wait and see.
Its completely done for dude, it was clearly just a tool for this bigger power in the back that we dont know about yet. Also I think we know who the original voice in the helmet belongs too now.
Heres one thing i cant figure out. I thought Kil'jaden was the one who created the helmet, is that now retconned?
It will. Only Arthas was ever the Litch king. Nerzhul was there to set up the story....as for bolvar.....well,
he didnt even really exist until he came to the top of the citadel....Also his fiery colors ad ice sucked,
they should have made his flames blue at the very start.
God I hope we get to see Kael’Thas again. I’ve had a bad taste in my mouth since BC.
Magisters' Terrace was merely a setback ...
in Revendreth, yes! i'm equally as excited about it as you are
Blizzard: guys we heard u like sylvanas
Every1: no plz, stop its enough
Blizzard: what? u LOVE her and want to ssee more of her like WE do???? nice
What are you talking about??? She is a super complex character that.. oh wait she's not
She is, actually. But the in-game narrative does not make her justice.
And, if it serves as a consolation, it will probably be her last expansion in a while.
They didn't even let Bolvar get a single hit in. Their complete lack of self-awareness about Sylvanas is kind of amazing.
@@MrShadowThief I hope they continue with her story line, I really like her and how her character has developed, because it has developed, over the years.
*My DK walking to the top of ICC*
Hope y'all don't mind if I
*Grabs pieces of crown*
*Repairs crown*
YEET
Nah. One of the pieces would probably have to be fished out somewhere in Stranglethorn Vale with the help of Nat Pagle.
@@bindair_dundat And then use the pieces to craft the Fishing Pole of the Damned
Well...we kinda "repaired" Frostmourne, it's just 2 swords now, soooo...repairing the helm wouldn't be a big deal.
Lol my closed caption said: "we're going to the shadow ass"
Cant wait
"Covenant"
"Arbiter"
Ok, so we're Halo now.
"Trying to bring death to all life."
Yup, we are Halo now.
Light the rings!
Bring its cleansing flame
THE JOURNEY REQUIRES SACRIFICE
they actually named a zone the maw... don't forget that either
@@ShinigamiSamaH trying to bring death to death*
Too Much Sylvanas???
yes... my god! they need to stop with this character!
Yes! This honestly pathetic Mary Sue at this point is getting very old, very quickly. We've been following this Horde arch for so long. She's died, what, 3-4 times? She one-shots people left and right, even the Lich King? Who is Blizz catering to with this? Is it that bald Danuser that just cannot stop writing about his Waifu at Blizz HQ?
I swear if they make her the Lich Queen I'm done. I am so done with female characters taking over established characters. Before any dumb bastard calls me a sexit -- I am 110% for female badass characters -- Just not at the expense of already established ones?! It feels so damn forced!
@@aztaclalz They can't make her Lich Queen, the Helm of Domination's destroyed.
@@aztaclalz lmao 'I'm not sexist' but let me just go on unsolicited rant about female characters lmfao
@@NaraKwonPoD If hating Sylvanas makes me sexist call me Aristotle, because that waste of animation times needs to go. You did it Blizzard, she Mary Sue'd the next expansion into existence. Now let us kill her in a quest or raid and never talk about her garbage existence from the end of WotLK onward.
I remember when Uther a man filled with the power of the light so strong, he was given the title Uther the Lightbringer! Yes this purest of paladins stood and yet fell to the hand of the Lich King.
I remember when illidan stormrage, a demon infused Night Elf, who had also fused with the power of the skull of gul'dan, wielding the legendary twin blades of Azzinoth, willing faced Lich King in combat, and was left to bleed out in the aftermath of it all.
Yes I remember when Sylvanas herself faced the Lich King after the events of him slainng Dranosh Saurfang with one swing of his sword and enslaving him to his will.
Yes, I remember it very well the way she ran, after she had realised where she stood against him, the Lich King!
And only when she went and teamed up with all heroes of azeroth, Tyrion Fordring, Jaina Proudmoore, Thrall, better yet all of the might of the horde and Alliance that existed, combined together!
Is when the Lich King finally Fell, only after he had killed all the heroes of azeroth first ofc. Yes this is the Lich King we all saw, witnessed and knew, I knew.
Then sylvanas, a few years down the line decide "hey! I'm war Chief now, which means I might as well forget the past and 1 V!! 1 the Lich King again.
BUT HEY! This time I'm gonna ez clap him, why? Cuz now I know the secret phrase "no king rules forever" so yeh! Like really? Like Reeeèeèeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllly!?!?!?
fuck the lich king I serve Arthas Menethil
Yea, it's garbage. They are buffing sylvanas for the sake of the story... Much dissapoint tbh...
@@MegaLatexxx The power of ignorance is strong too. Why do you think sylvanas burnt teldrassil and caused so many deaths in BFA? literally to become stronger... as the maw grows stronger, so does sylvanas... and after BFA she had become strong enough to defeat bolvar. And thats what she did.
They literally said that in the panel and its not so difficult believe. What we dont know yet is why....first we didnt know why she burnt teldrassil etc. but now we know... we have a new question now tho and we have to play the expansion to once again figure out why.
Surprised? Thats how stories work.
@@Otakahunt Yawn. Seems like poor writing to me. Like they don't know where it's going or what the end game for the universe is and making shit up as needed. "Shiet, bros, we gots us this mighty big plot hole right here! And? Make shit up and patch it". Which in turn is poor writing and direction. I, for one, will not be buying this expansion, I don't think. Not with what's been presented. And this is coming from someone that sort of enjoyed even WOD, but this is a new level of low for retail.
I will never understand people apologizing for blizzards' shitty moves or bad writing. Fine, I'll bite, sell me the micro transactions and unobtainable pets and mounts from the store.
@@MegaLatexxx as someone who doesn't play the games but watch the cinematics i'm not here to sell you on why this happened.
I'm here for that last bit
Bad writing is subjective. Like VERY Subjective. Especially when you don't have the full story. When you don't have the totality of something EVERYTHING seems bad.
Where the hell are The Horseman?
oblivexx good question
dead
absent since plot demands it. Like every shit plot device Blizzard pull out. Actually Shitvannas might as well have one shot them off screen like she probably did the whole tower while going up.
Also, where is the space ship of the alliance?
Where is Jainas flying ship with the magical cannons?
Sylvanas should have taken damage in this fight
@@JeroenDoes She was empowered by a God facing off against a weakened LK she should have gotten hit a bit but she should still have won but with a bit more struggle
@@NetherCrafterSMC still way too much plot armor
Blizzard WoW animations never show blood - (just check the BfA intro - a huge battle and even Saurfang has no cuts on his face, though you can clearly hear Graymane claw at it) We have no idea how much damage she took from that flying pillar hitting her.
where tf was the entire scourge army when this took place?
She beat them all
@@bellial974 no I mean ALL of them, not the little group that stood with the LK
Also did they go in one at a time so Syl can kill them all?
@@thecommentguy9380 She's a super-nimble ranger high-elf with banshee powers who can fly. She just had to avoid the ones in the Citadel, and she might have fought some of them along the way that we didn't see. She's really fast, a quick shot, and obviously enhanced by some dark powers right now, and Bolvar had arrows in his armor, implying that the fight went on for a long time before we see it again after the cut. The entire Scourge isn't held up in ICC.
@@daniellemckenna8576 So you're telling me Bolvar cant recall his army during the fight?
this trailer made me so mad
how lich king one of the most powerful being in azeroth lost to sylvanas ?
He didn't just lose bro, he didn't land a single fkin hit on her. Not one. Even saurfang got at least one hit, but not bolvar the lich king...
@@Valdenroth To be fair, Sylvannas was toyin with Saurfang, sje dodged LKs attacks cause they actually posed a threat.
And she didnt beat him, jist inmobilized him long enough to take the helmet, you can see Bolvar break a chain so she was careful to place several on him before activating her trap.
Shes been building her power for 4 expansions... How is anyone surprised by her OPness?
Poor spelling, but I agree.
@@HappyroosterYT They dont read quests or pay attention to the story until a cinematic happens then start crying Mary Sue.
Glad Blizz wasnt swayed by these clowns.
I summon Blue Eyes Red Fordragon!
You activated my trap card, Plot Armor, it summons the Banshee Queen in attack mode destroying your Blue Eyes Red Fordragon which creates Marvel Skyhole over the field.
@@Shiirow What!? But that would mean that the Banshee Queen can attack me directly next turn for all my hit points! Curse you, Plot Armooooo-
Btw, LOL at the Marvel Skyhole.
FUCKING PLOT ARMOR
@@Shiirow Only because I didn't draw "Jaina the autovictory" or "thrall the gamefixer" which makes the player win.
Oh well, i suppose the problem is that this time it's Sylvanas turn.
Nobbel, when i heard her say that the whole world (Azeroth) is a prison and the Fact that this thing behind her in the Gameplay-Trailer from the "What's next"-Panel is called "The Jailor"...
What if the Jailor from the Shadowlands is the reason why Azeroth never woke up?
ps: As a Sidenote, Bwonsamdi's Boss is probably "The Arbiter" who judges the souls from the new hub city 💀
@Invictus_trax well the arbiter is essentially King of the shadowlands, he decides where all souls go and their destiny in the afterlife, meaning he probably is because not only is bwomsandi not evil, but his job is to usher troll spirits into the shadowlands. Considering vol'jin's spirit never arrived in the shadowlands, the arbiter would clearly be upset because he couldn't assign his destiny in the afterlife. There's also the fact that bwomsandi has clearly stated he hates sylvanas because she disrupts the cycle, so it wouldn't make sense for him to hate someone his boss is empowering
@Amelius For all we know, the chained figure in the shadowlands could be the titan herself.... that is, the titan which is developing in Azeroth.
@@laertesindeed No, we do know that Azeroth is female and in the core, without a body.
The Jailor is something else-everything about the nascent Titan is long established, Ion explicitely confirms that important point.
@Invictus_trax The Arbiter was probably the one who brought him back, "touched by the hand of valor" sounds like someone who is noble and not evil. He most likely brought him back to life cause his soul wasn't going to go to him in the Shadowlands, thus resurrect him to prevent whoever whispered into his ear to put Sylvannnas as Warchief (most likely the Jailer) from claiming his soul in the maw.
I am almost 100% sure Azeroth is a prison for uh, Azeroth. Magni and MOTHER and we have all been helping to keep her imprisoned. I hadn't thought of the Jailer being HER jailer, but could be. I always assumed it was the other Titans.... of course it could be the Titans who ordered it/did it and left the Jailer to make sure she stayed imprisoned.
really dissapointed with the cinematic and what they present us as the shadowlands.
i wonder where my character is actually walking when he dies...
spirit world between the reality and shadowlands.
There are many realities anyway... we have emerald dream aswell which is the dream world created by the slumbering titan soul of azeroth.
@@Otakahunt I can see us teleporting back and forth, making the Afterlife just another zone in Azeroth. God, this game needs a complete redo so badly, the lore and story have gotten way out of hand. Remember when WoW was "you are a , go do your thing"?
@@nurbsivonsirup1416 what? After so many years, you still would want to be the "do your thing" character? Without any threat and goal? Either way..its not like naxx, the burning legion or the lich king werent already a threat back in the days..
@@Exten13 No one is saying there can't be any threats or overarching theme.
But the way recent addons shove all the exposition in your face and make it the core part of the game ... pretty exhausting, if you ask me.
@@Otakahunt no beeing dead ment we were walking in the shadowlands as spirits and roam around a dark copy of azeroth, they just retconned it.
now the shadowlands are some shitty 5 zone adventure and actual death has no meaning anymore.
you are just getting ported to another zone and live there with an actual body.
Those islands must be collapsing with the sheer amount of people and animals, after all everybody ends up there.
And for some reason the helm of domination is key to shatter that veil between life and death, even if it's made by demons not long ago that have nothing to do with the shadowlands.
So she is technically stronger than a lich without the sword?in his home turf? I don't by that plot armor tbh.
(To fend off any complete aholes in this thread, he did say power level in this game is bs, this is me seeing a lil bs)
She is way OP. Maybe this Jailer guy and she have been communicating in secret all this time to give her more of his magic. But as her alone against the Lich King, no way could she win. I just hope they explain this in the game when it comes out.
@@ColombianMusclePapi
They already explained that she's been drawing power from the shadowlands, and that she made a bargain with the Jailer.
You do get the part that she doesn't want to show all her powers right..? She stopped Saurfang's two handed blow with fucking ease. She deathbolted his high warlord ass in a single blow. You haven't really seen anything of her true power, so yes, while the lich king mooches power from the Shadowlands, Sylvanas is either given this power or taking it at her whim.
@@theragie0986 That's what he said dumb fuck, it's dumb and anyone that thinks that this is good writing just has his brain turned off or is genuinely dumb.
So Sylvanas is a massive Mary Sue, with BfA I was done with the game, now it looks like I'm done with the lore too :(
What happened to the GIANT FREAKING SWORD that's sticking out of Azeroth ?
Sylvanas' gonna pick up the sword and split it in half
A Mary Sue is a character who is perfect with no flaws or no fear. Slyvanas is clearly not one. She has flaws and has lost many times. She has fears and her fear is death which is why she doing all of this out of survival.
@@mr.kingofphenomenal4629 Yeah,she's not a mary sue,she's just become a character that's straight out of an anime who can beat pretty much anyone she faces without struggling.
Not a mary sue,still terrible writing
@@silverhand9965 Well she has gain more power which is pretty clear but as Bolvar said that power will be your prison and I think Slyvanas going die from that mysterious being who more powerful than her. Her selfishness and greed going get her killed most likely. She definitely not a Mary Sue.
Sylvanas is just Waifu-Sue. She's Danuser's nerd boy fantasy and he'll pretty much make her able to do anything now.
So, is it just me or is the shadow lands not the anti-thesis to the Emerald Dream like chronicles implied. Heck, part of it looks like it should be in the Emerald Dream and another part looks like it was made by the Naaru. Another chunk looks like it could be a world controlled by the Burning Legion. I know this is new stuff, but it really feels like reused concepts and a bit misleading based on what the previous lore we got implied.
Another thing to note, that new tower dungeon they are adding reminds me of stuff in FF14 that I used to grind jobs. That part of the game gets old real quick but is fortunately not the main meat of that game. This tower looks to be much more significant. I don't see it being recieved well.
Im not so much into wow the last few years but isnt sylvanas doing and causing everything that drives the plot forward a bit boring
Of screen power up from death itself, that didn't alter her appearance one bit.
"Completely leaked and predicted months ago"
Except the only thing the leaks actually predicted accurately is the name. Just about every other detail is pretty much wrong.
My guess is that an employee's friend's friend heard the name only, and their imagination went wild (probs knew their lore well) so they decided to go ahead and pen it down and toss it in as a "leak".
@geezy1776 HuRr DuRr u GuYz R sO aNal
Says the dipshit who completely missed my point that Nobbel was wrong about Shadowlands having been leaked, except the name.
Nope people said northrends and were right. They said this "death" match would happen it happened. Just disappointing you would try to defend them
@@badrinath5306 What are you even talking about? I'm not defending anyone, and why should I care if you're disappointed?
@@badrinath5306 Or are you talking to loveletters for defending me?
In which case, I still have to say, what are you even talking about? People guessed that Sylvanas would fight Bolvar but got everything else wrong, so that means the leaks were all true and I'm wrong? Even though nobody predicted anything else about Shadowlands?
And you're disappointed? What the fuck?
the return of varian and vuljin, purhaps maybe tyrion because he got screwed over
*gasp* can you imagine?
What about kael'thas in his own words "death was just a set back..... twice"
@@Qualaza that would be true if he were to be alive, but we will see him while dead so the "setback" meme doesnt apply
maybe we get to see lothar again
@@Qualaza I think Kael'thas is confirmed to be alive in the vampire looking area, biding his return. Hes mentioned in the notes.
Bolvar is still alive at the end of the cinematic but people are acting like he is dead.
After watching the cinematic I wanna create new Death Knight, call him Aŕthas or something, and use him to kill Sylvanas repeatedly once the raid with her will come out. Can't decide though if it should be human or Forsaken... also, if I should wait until new DK starting experience starts or just make him now.
Wait for the new starting zone, also kula tiran DK!
It's likely the new DK race options will be available in the prepatch
xEnderxLoneWolf they are if you preorder, they come in 8.3
Whatever keeps you subbed, mate. Live your fantasy!
NOT SO FAST KIDDO, do you realize Sylvanass is a STRONK weeman? hu that's what i tought! She will save AZEROTH AND ALL OF US. She will prolly be a martyr just like Illidan , you think she's bad but she isnt! SHE will be the greatest hero to ever lived!
Sylvanas vs. Arthas: *has absolutely no shred of a chance*
Sylvanas vs. Bolvar: *shoots a couple arrows before breaking his crown with her bare hands*
Aight... Imma head out
Bolvar is weaker than Arthas and Slyvanas is now significantly more powerful than she was in WOTLK, using magic that's previously not been seen (8.2.5)
obviously sylvanas got a powerup. were u not paying attention?
Don't try to reason with him, he's just disliking for the sake of it.
6:49 "and it was bullshit!!" pretty much sums up so much of what it took for the story to get here
"Shut up during cinematic!"
You're watching a REACTION, dude. He's not blathering on incessantly and not paying attention, he's REACTING.
The clowns at Blizzard just love breaking all the good lore storylines... oh well, it the past it must remain! :(
@@HappyroosterYT Joined wow in 2018 eh? ;)
@@HappyroosterYT because it WORKS and people love it
@@HappyroosterYT Not that simple, though it's a bit too simplistic with their goals, it's still better writing then what they have done with Sylvanas for the last 2 expansions
We don't need another Lich King type of story. If we gotten that people like you would complain oh this is boring we already had this story. People like you can never be happy with anything.
@@mr.kingofphenomenal4629 who said that? I was just wiling to see how bolvar arc as we see in legion would develop
as a death knight i feel.. broken :( hope we get to reforge the helmet
The repair cost is going to cost an arm and a leg.
@@Heranara As an Unholy Death Knight, I have plenty of those to spare.
It is KEL THUZAD!!! Look at the crown, the chains, the chains Sylvanas is using! His waist is tiny, too, in that video. He ties directly to Sylvanas vs. Arthas. The voice is more sinister, but the basic symbolism of the chains is just perfect.
So Kil’Jaden crafted the Helm of Domination, used Narzul’s soul to make the Lich King, sent them to Northrend which happens to be connected as a thin veil between life and death, then Silvanas beats Bovar when he would’ve had the same powers of Arthas and Narzul, tears apart the helm and breaks the barrier and seeming to release the spirits in the helm as we see whips, balls of light, flying out of helm when it’s broken.
“MAKE HIM YOUR B*TCH”
-Nobel 2019
Honestly not hyped for this expansion at all. I miss the old cinematics that introduce the content, world and villian rather than dethroning a major plot character with another character that everyone is already bored of, destroying one of the most powerful artifacts in warcraft history and then opening some previously unmentioned sky portal.
The veil was mentioned before though. Chronicles, for example. And in-game quests.
@@ciram9082 Yeah, but keep in mind people might not have read every quest line in the disaster known as bfa and the recent books. It's really not that explained or explored, not even as we discuss it right now.
@@Warlundrie That's a them problem, then. Lore's been there.
@@ciram9082 Not in the game. A lot of sylvanas planning, plotting and thinking has been completely left outside of the game. Should people really have to buy books to follow the IN GAME story line? I do not think so, they should have told more in the game story line, but it's easy being captain hindsight.
@Emirhan Burul Except, no, not even remotely close to this degree.
You successfully disenchanted Helm of Domination. The Helm of Domination disenchants into 4x Souldust
1:10 "Slyvannas, the day you were born.." lmfao i didn't get it until halfway through the vid and just about died
I wonder why Blizz disabled comments under WoW conference video and why there's so many dislikes. Oh wait I know why
Trailers also have lots of dislikes and the comments aren't disabled.
@@MrShadowThief look up facts. This is their most disliked video, all other wow cinematics have a far better like/dislike ratio. And the comments are still disabled. Not under the trailer. Under the 2 hour wow presentation
When I looked up, the trailers had a worse ratio and the presentation already had the comment section disabled. Try to bring some facts next time.
@@MrShadowThief dude you're right. Recent trailer does have a far worse ratio then the others and yes presentation had the comment section disabled. that's exactly my point
Fun fact the lich king is actualy an earthbender XD
Well at the end sylvanas teach him how to aim a rock properly hahaha.
well Ner'zhul was a shaman..
As Phugyeah said, he gained power from Ner'zhul's cursed crown, giving power to control elements nearby as well. That is how Arthas managed to build Icecrown with cursed earth.
@@phugyeah1585 its funny when i was watching videos on how to rp in wow i saw a vid on how to rp a shaman. In that video they compared wow shamans to benders in avatar the last airbender.
Bolvar is not Arthas. Bolvar never fully melded with the spirit of the LK (or did I miss something in the lore?) People keep acting like Sylvanas was a regular elf. She's the Banshee Queen. She's had powers that other "mortals" did not for quite a while.
I don't think I've ever been less hyped for an expansion.
Damnit Blizz not everything has to be for the sake of the twelve remaining people who still care about WoW's lore - Just show me a good cinematic of player-characters duking it out like in the Vanilla and TBC openings.
I love that you reacted to this, but a lot of the cinematic itself was kinda WACK
ITS THE SKELETON KING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Leoric!!!!
I just want to say that "Where a usurper sits on a Frozen Throne" is such a good line
I remembered back in like 2007, possibly even at blizzcon, they mentioned something about 'what power does the lich king draw from to control so many undead' mis-quoted I'm sure. But when I found out that icecrown was a link to the shadowlands this quote popped back into my head and I had thought it was just an abandoned story element from all those years ago. I think people even speculated in reference to that quote that LK was stealing power from yogg and that's what it was.
Remember when Salvanus was just some angry undead elf who wanted to kill arthas?
remember when your character was hunting murlocks in Goldshire?
@@marcusc9931 oh yea, good times.
But my question is, if you get killed in the shadowlands, are you really dead or you just didn't get killed?
What if we are like the legion, demons can only truly die forever in the twisting nether. What if dying in the shadow lands destroys us forever as well?
if you die in the shadowlands you get sent back to the graveyard in the regular world.
dont worry, the valkyrs are one of the covenants in there so they will still keep reviving us. :)
the player plot-armor aint going nowhere!
I want to add to the difference between the Bolvar LK and Arthas LK is that Bolvar doesn't have Frostmourne which was known as a weapon so powerful it would strike through weapons and I doubt that Bolvar's hammer is powerful enough to stand up to it.
Just to mention, after she breaks the helmet, the gateway is not a reflection of Icecrown. The spire/tower we see reflected is the same we see behind the big boss, in the end scene of the "Shadowlands Features" video.
On the subject of Sylvanas vs. Bolvar: Bolvar was never really that particularly strong, and most of Arthas' Lich King's power came from Frostmourne, which Bolvar doesn't have. He is the Lich King only to control the scourge.
Bonus for Arthas for originally being a paladin
Also, wasn't LK strong because he controlled the Scourge and not because of his 1v1 skills? Like a true king, I would say:)
@@flowonthego Bolvar was a paladin.
@@badtiming2208 Arthas was strong even in 1v1 battles. He fought and won the likes of Uther, Anasterian, Kael'thas and Illidan.
Bolvar didn't have the battle prowess of Arthas.
We know that Sylvanas became much stronger in the recent times, but I bet that Arthas the Lich King would've won this battle.
Actually, if you pay attention to the lore given by ion in the panels; he specifically states that maldraxxa is the realm of the shadowlands the LK and other DKs derive their powers. but since all spirits are immediately thrown into the maw, the other realms are starved of anima and thus weakening the covenants, which would also weaken the one that gives LK His powers, which would also weaken him significantly.
It still makes no sense. Breaking the Helm of Domination made by Kil'jaeden is the gateway to Azeroths shadowlands? Bad writing in my opinion even if Ice Crown is connected to the shadowlands.
They even said the shadowlands are older than the titans creation.... Kiljaeden made the key? Cheesy.
afaik demons were around before the titans right? Thats why they had the hugeass war
It’s also not hard to assume that when you make a beacon as powerful and focused as both the citadel itself as well as the helmet that the shadowlands could get a faint hint to it. This massive death entity clearly bound but so damn powerful starts to worm and reach for that single point and forming a bond over the years which when shattered opens the floodgates into the shadowlands. We also fuck with space travel, alternate universes and time why not dimensions?
True Falcon no. Sargeras created the demons
For some reason I think the jailer is the titan killed by Sargeras and in the shadow lands consumed the power of souls to gain power to turn from void to death. The titan was chained up due to it's power and the corruption of the void. But over time, they the corruption faded away in death (as death is resilient to the influence of the void) and the titan was reborn in death. And we might find argus in the shadowlands.
Would love to see Warcraft 3 story as a netflix series.
"There must always be a Lich King."
Sylvanas : "Hold my bow."
Sylvanas embracing the powers of a Mary Sue
Can someone tell me why the Helm of Domination is an artifact that stabilizes the UNIVERSAL Shadowlands? What the hell was the Legion thinking when they created the Helm of Domination, and how did they do it? Did they use Argus' power to craft it? Why would they leave such an important artifact in the hands of a mere pawn on Azeroth? I have so many questions!
The big lore nerd smile on Nobbel's face at around 2:13 gives me life.
Am I the only one who feels that WoW is becoming fanfiction?
becoming? I think you are late to the party, its been fanfiction for a few years now.
Shiirow
How so?
I mean yeah Mist of Pandaria lower the bar since all started to took a major nose dive there, and Warlords of Dreanor did make things worse, but Legion made it a bit worth it.
Took away his bending. :D
Thank you for suggesting to the bros how she got her new powers. Anyone paying attention to the lore lately should have been able to connect the dots that our Dark Lady has been setting this up at least since she was named War Chief. There isn't a SJW narrative, Sylvanas has just been scheming.
i'm pretty sure the big dude is mueh'zala, he's been described as a troll, the model definitely resembles that with thin arms and eyes sitting high on the face, and the wow website says that if the thing that's kept in the maw breaks loose, "all of reality will be consumed", which stands in parallel with mueh'zala feasting on azeroth
Gosh I hope we have to grind exalted with ever faction. That should take about 2 years till the nest XP
bullseye
Wow I didn't hear about any leaks about shadowlands or lich king. Made it so much better
Me too
Neither. I was super surprised she shattered the helm. Now I worry that the scourge will run rampant in the world
People asking why Sylvanas can whip bolvar:Arthas was a powerful paladin, empowered by kelthuzad, wielding frostmourne, merged with Nerzhul, and then sat on the frozen throne stewing in his evil juice for a decade.
Bolvar was a martyr barely clinging to life at the time he put the helm on.
Not all lich kings are made equal
Killer Croc: I knew it!!! Throwing a big rock is the best strategy!!!
I'm just wondering if this going to affect death knights
Besides adding a 4th DK spec modeled after Bolvar?
This looks just like Darksiders, but as an MMO
....yoooo I'd play that!
How would it work though? The horsemen are the last of the nephilim, so maybe you choose between angel and demon? Maybe the Makers and undead?
Those devs were actually gonna make a warhammer 40k mmo, would've been released if THQ hadn't made strange investment decisions.
@Nobbel87 The Lich King is a plan by the Burning Legion to contain Death and now Death is unleashed. This new entity is like an equivalent of the Void Lords in the Shadow cosmic force or maybe Elune with Life. There should be 6 realms like the Emerald Dream and the Shadowlands (so we know about just 2) and each cosmic force is fighting one another to feed on Azeroth.
We have to remember 2 important things:
- Bolvar doesn't have Frostmure.
- He hasn't fully assimilated the Lich King, hence he isn't at his peak.
It is obvious Bolvar was tremendously underpowered compared to Arthas. The fight does make sense, though Sylvannas should have taken a bit of damage IMO.