Tomorrow I'll be able to play through the campaign myself and see all the info live, but for those that want to see it, here's my initial reaction to the newly released cinematics. In short my opinion is a bit mixed. Cinematics look awesome as always and I love the fight. It's unable to shake my general criticism of b4a which is we've done this so many times now. That said, imo best case scenario for the story we've given. Excited to see what's next!
Did any1 notice that during Sylnanes's "you are all nothing" monologue the same theme song was playing during the Illidan's monologue for Burning Crusade cinematic trailer Is that a hint that she is like Illidan sacrificing all to face the ultimate big bad???
BTW, before the loyalist talks to Sylvanas, there is a scene happening with Nathanos talking to her mid conversation. Ending with the cringy ''My Love''...
Sylvanas: "If the traitors knew of your service to me, they'd have put you in irons..." My Undead Warlock, standing there in full plague bringer armour, forsaken tabard and "Of the Undercity" title: "Yeah, don't worry. They don't suspect a thing."
The thing is, the Forsaken as a whole understand they've been abandoned by Sylvanas as well, and they're hurting the hardest from it. In the words of two Forsaken Refugees in Orgrimmar: "We are her people!" "Not anymore." If anything, your character could pull off the "I've been abandoned by Sylvanas and *she will die for it"* bit better than most characters, BECAUSE of how heavily decked out you are in Forsaken imagery.
I will say this: Varok Saurfang, in the end, got *exactly* what he wanted. The Horde is reunited, Sylvanas is no longer in command to poison it, and he got his Warrior's death. And he'll be buried in Nagrand, alongside his son. I can't think of a better way for him to go, really.
@@bf2142Fallensoul that......actually wouldnt be that bad of an idea. The son corrupted by the lich king then returned in reconcilliation, varok sacrifices himself for reconcoliation then comes back to serve in death the greater good.
Garithos fights Kael'thas, he flees and tries to summon Kil'jaeden. Garithos sided with Sylvanas, she betrays him and then becomes a bitch. Garithos did nothing wrong, literally all elves he ever dealt with became supervillains.
Daelin did nothing wrong. The Horde ravaged his kingdom, killed his son and murdered his people. What did you expect him to do? Say hi and became best pals with those brutes? Saurfang said it himself in this cinematic, that the Horde was tainted with corruption and killed many innocents. Saurfang just validated Daelin actions.
Saurfang is a Warrior class, using Furry spec. He is using two two-handed weapons. If anything, Sylv should not be able to block that two-handed axe with a dagger. Especially since Suarfang is 4 - 5 x stronger then Sylv. If my rogue could do that to a Warrior, I would laugh my butt off.
@@robertalexstorm Has nothing to do with it. She has hidden power we know nothing of yet, that she DID NOT have when she was first introduced upon her death.
"Wheres our home?" "Orgrimmar?" "I said home." "Duratar?" (kinda forgot the spelling) "Bigger." "Kalimdor?" "I said bigger." "Azeroth?" "Bingo." "Ohhh!"
Man... I wish they brought Khadgar for this. He is the first guy was: NOT FOR HORDE! NOT FOR ALLIANCE! BUT FOR AZEROTH! And I would love when everyone stands up he would fly there and transformed and bashed his staff into the ground and ready to fight for Azeroth one more. Khadgar for President of Azeroth 2019 Also Sylvanas went full Dementor here
I kinda hoped we'd see something like this. Maybe from various characters or factions, possibly down the line then. Like we'd see more of the neutral forces turning up to a losing fight, let's say if the fight in front of Orgrimmar had erupted. Pandaren (they'd be fine fighting with unified horde/alliance), Wrathion or Ebon Blade (they'd know something we don't about the Death), things like that :P They certainly didn't fit this plot we just saw, though.
What if paladins can't actually bring people back from the dead, but rather bring people back from the BRINK of death? This theory would explain why Calia Menethil couldn't simply have been resurrected by conventional means. Or maybe if an individual is too powerful, then normal resurrective spells won't be strong enough to revive them.
Gallywix actually ran off, and basically abandoned his place in the Bilgewater Cartel. Gazlowe, who has *long* been portrayed as being heavily biased toward supporting the Horde despite being supposedly neutral, is stepping in to take his place. The Horde-aligned Goblins finally have the leader they should have had from the beginning.
Sylvanas comes out the gate just like Arthas at the Wrath Gate... Varok says "Let it be finished!" just like his son... at the Wrath Gate.. Nice one Blizz. The one thing Legion and BFA has taught me is never say "For AZEROTH!" Varian did it and got blown up, Varok did it and got poofed.. don't do it!
@@cautarepvp2079 shes hot, so im gonna go with Bolvar saying yes 🤣 But i dont think Sylvanas has any intentions on sharing anything, especially not power. Plus she hates the entity known as the lich king. But who knows.... 😊 we will see
Reminds me of a conversation 2 Orcs had in the quests leading up to these recent cinematic. Orc Guard 1: "Never though I'd be storming Orgrimmar with the Alliance." Orc Guard 2: "It's my second time, I was there with them then too." Orc Guard 1: "Veteran traitor then huh?" Orc Guard 2: "Not at all, loyalty is why I'm here."
@@franciscorafaelmontielpale7854 It's not really, it's like deliberatly trying to play very very directly the mistakes of the past as an allegory and this thing WoW does all the time, the problem is that blizzard writting is all over the place so instead of being a new conflcit that is reminiscent of horrible things of the past (I.e reminding us of Garrosh and further bacl) it ends up feeling like reharshed same content because there is so much secrecy about Sylvanas motives, which makes them seem nonsensical, at least Garrosh told you directly the motivations of the horrible things he did and that culminated in WoD but Sylvanas? we still don't have a clue what her deal is only that is a self preserving one but her stuff starts from about Legion dealing with Helya it's very obvious building up to something in the back and the problem was making that the centre piece of this expansion but the problem is when it takes focus on an expansion it dilutes everything else, if this was still in the background and the conflict was something else and we got revelaed in 8.3 what her plan was for next expa it'd be different or if we knew what her entire deal was in 8.1 but as it is it's just messy because the story can't focus on what it wants to tell. What I'm saying is that the conflict feels manufactured as a means to drive the story towards a next expansion rather than conclude in this very expansion once the conflict is put into focus.
Can you even believe that after that there is still people who support her? Like, dudes, Sylvanas fanboys need to stop thinking with their dicks for once.
elFacho as a body, yes she is good. However, although I was hoping her to change her ways, the fact that she pulled Warcraft movie Gul’dan on Saurfang at the end I knew that even her most loyal of followers would be like “Oh shit! I thought someone cared about us”. I liked the visual storytelling with the Forsaken, they have been forsaken by everyone yet the Horde is still with them
Sylvanas doesn't serve the Old Gods, Sylvanas serves Death. Her whole schtick this whole expansion has been in fueling the war to add more bodies to the pile and more souls to the Shadowlands. This is looking more and more like it was actually some kind of plot put together by some kind of Death related entity (perhaps Death has it's own 'higher avatar' like the Light has the Naaru and the Void the Void Lords) to give it all the power it needs for some grand plan. Whatever it is, I look forwards to it!
She made a deal with Helya and got the lantern with which she wanted to control Eyir. Maybe her part of the deal was bringing Helya more and more dead people
blizzard isn't that cleaver though, writing has been pure shit this whole xpac except for Saurfang and they fucken killed him...I"m so done with current wow, I'm just going wait for TBC or Wotlk to sub again, I have no interest in new xpac what so ever, BFA was total train wreck and you just again going type it again killed off amazing character
@Brant Hall, you've clearly never seen the price tags for funerals. Gallywix should be all over this, gold-lined coffins with extra large spikes at marked up prices!
Goblins shouldn't be so grasping, they got their new models with this patch, why do they want story-progression as well? (if it isn't obvious, this contains a wee bit of sarcasm)
I'm actually not remotely surprised that a former ranger general of quel'thalas who is probably 1000+ years old and still in her prime who was brought back to life a wraith with altered physiology easily beats an old orc in a 1v1. Varok isn't a pushover, but he's definitely beyond his prime.
that's cause you're not very intelligent she's an archer. This was the equivalent of a warrior dueling a hunter, but with the hunter only using a dagger.
Adrian Lenhardt You just lack imagination mate,Sylvanas is not a hunter. She is Sylvanas Windrunner. In lore Characters arent bound to specs or classes
@@aidenlenhardt4163 You do realize that's not a hunter right? She was the first Dark Ranger (which all do seem to have alot of skill with both Daggers / Swords + Bows) She also has alot of abilities that does make her seem like a sorceress aswell. I also had no doubt that Sylvanas would win the fight even from the start if she were to use her bow only. (nothing would change) Sylvanas is way way too powerful compared to Varok (despite hating sylvanas with all my guts)
Nathanos, gallywix missing. Genn, tyrande and malfurion passing on a chance to storm a horde capital? Turalyon and the wind runner sisters no show to a scrap? Hope my play thru tomorrow fills in some blanks
That smile from Saurfang right before he died affirms it, this was exactly how he planned it. He knew he was going to die but his true intention was to out Sylvanas. He played her like a fiddle.
This cinematic gave me throwbacks to the Wrathgate cinematic: The way Saurfang calls out Sylvanas to face him, like Bolvar with Arthas, the way Sylvanas steps out of Orgrimmar like Arthas out of the Wrathgate, Saurfang saying to Sylvanas "Let it be finished" like his son to Arthas, Sylvanas betraying the Forsaken like Putriss. Aw man, so so so good this cinematic is!
I have an undead holy priest that I always played as a black sheep among the forsaken because he was really cheerful and acted like his old human self and I imagine as soon as he got the choice to split he was just standing there armored up like "I've been waiting 15 years to kill that bitch."
Steven Stone aaw, I also play an undead holy priest. I always imagined that I heal people so they don‘t have to meet the same fate „I“ had to, as an undead :)
One thing I really liked about this cinematic is that it finally shows us something Blizz only really told us before: Saurfang is smart. He's the Horde's top military commander, second only to the Warchief, for a reason. He knew exactly how to get what he wanted out of Sylvanas: he played into her sadism to get the mak'gora, and during the mak'gora, when he realized she had him outmatched so long as she kept her cool, he began hitting her buttons. He'd seen how badly she reacted to Delaryn denying her nihilistic worldview and clinging to hope in the face of death, and it's not exactly uncommon knowledge that she reacts poorly to failure. So Saurfang zeroed in on those and kept hammering those flaws, bringing up all the times in the war she came up short, finishing it with finally getting a blow in on her. Nothing major, just enough to set her off. And set her off it did. At that point, who won the fight was immaterial, and they both knew it. Sylvanas had to take a moment to figure out her next step and decided doubling down was her only real option here, since he just played her into squandering the Horde's support in one sentence. Saurfang knew he was probably going to die, but he died knowing he saved the Horde from a civil war much less lopsided than the one Garrosh brought on himself. I wish we had more cinematics where characters who are supposed to be smart or wise actually play the part. So far, the only smart character who behaves intelligently is Sylvanas, and that's mostly just because her fight with Bolvar turned into a clown show of ineffectual flailing while she strutted about spewing out catch phrases right out of a Rob Liefeld comic book.
This expansion is all about how we are stuck in this cycle of hatred. And instead of fighting for Orgrimmar Saurfang Laying down his life is breaking the cycle
I think the reason why Sylvanas was so strong against Saurfang is because of the power she has acquired from the void and Xal'atath, and probably mixed with some death power. Because it didn't seem normal the way she blocked his powerful blows (we know how crazy Saurfang is) and that also goes for when Saurfang finally hurt her, she were hardly knocked back at all!
she was a ranger general for 10000 years she should be more capable than all of them its only logical she beats him (he is also old...) this is the one who almost killed Arthas remember
@@zerinkreco3925 I don't care how many 'years of experience' you have, you don't parry blows from someone twice your size without moving at all, the momentum still exists. It has to be some form of magic.
Next expansion: World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Banshee Queen, the last raid dungeon will be a massive raid dungeon with the Banshee Queen as the final boss, and some iconic character having to take her place for some reason.
everyone misses the most important part of all this 8:05 do you not hear the whispers? Do you not see how they're trying to show you that she's wielding something new, and it absorbs into her turning her into something OP for the duel?
@@Styder111 you can hear whispers lol. If you seriously dont see a difference between Sylvanas here, and lets say ... fighting on the Broken Shore during the opening of Legion, then you're not very bright.
Blizzard cinematic team did it on purpose. Its forshadowing for the power she now wields. Even the leaders say they did not know where that ppwer came from
And I heard on a video that the horde leaders speak right after the cinematic. They reference Sylv's NEW powers and wonder when did she get them and how they didn't notice...
ChouhouinNeko it seems like there is hope for the Forsaken. Many have honor, like that one Forsaken guardian. What’ll happen to all the dark rangers though
@@Guus775 They can. The mindless undead under Arthas's command still mumbled Void things when they were mining Sargerite. They are highly resistant, but not immune.
Calia Menethil is in the Alliance story arc as well. Jaina says something like, "You( Calia) can help others like youve helped Declan (Proudmore)" Prompting Calia being Forsaken Leader?
"the live entertainment at these festivities gets better every year. the special effects that loudmouth zombie elf whore used to fly off all smokey like must have been insane to pull off. i dont know how theyre gonna top it next year! (noms on soft pretzel)
I think this “you are all nothing” speech is just a part of her plan how to unite Alliance and Horde against true enemy, she sacrificed her reputation for greater thing. This is my opinion from start, but maybe im wrong. We will see in 8.3......maybe
@@kyero8724 Maybe yes, but idk. She sent 2 LIDL rogues to kill ex-warchief green Jesus Thrall. Isnt this weird too? Or maybe it was her plan how to bring back Thrall.
I'm glad it was the Forsaken that first welcomed Saurfang home for his final rest. It is good that the Forsaken can now break away from Sylvanas, they had been deifying her and had been little more than her lackeys for too long. Now they can walk their own path, forge their own identity, not the one Sylvanas made for them.
When he said, "...Perhaps, just one"...he meant himself. "If you could see yourselves as I see you, toy soldiers in tin plate. Beasts who howl for honor. STANDING AS ONE. Savor it, nothing lasts". She knew what she was doing. She is the reason we have united, now.
Never got the feeling that she thinks she can control N'zoth. More that unleashing him will cause more death and those souls will power something else. More like using the old gods as a tool to further her own schemes, or the schemes of her potential master...
If Sylvanas thinks she can even remotely compare the power of N'zoth... put it this way (40k) That'd be like Magnus The Red thinking they were able to dominate Tzeentch, Chaos God of Change. Like, it comes to the point where Hubris is tantamount to Mental Retardation. Personally I think that Sylvanas hit that point long ago but that's Sylvanas Fans for ya.
Never said she thinks she is more cunning or is more powerful. It does not take a genius to figure out releasing an old god will cause a lot of death. I think her plan is to open the door and then get the hell out of the way. Hide in the shadowlands until next expansion. For me it all comes down to if she have a master. Based in the cosmology chart from chronicles, there is still room for a Cosmic entity behind death, a kin to the power of Titans or Void Lords. Maybe Mueh'zala is the cosmic avatar of Death or something, and he feeds on souls of the dead... Would lead nicely into shadowlands plot, and I could see it working for both faction. The night warrior for the ally, and Loa Voljin for horde.
I think they tried to show that Saurfang has grown old and will soon be too weak to find his glorious death. This was the most merciful death they could have given for him
@@EvileyeV Nobbel prob has a vid on her. Also a vid on Varian which touches on his gladiator days with Rehgar (Orc Druid/Shaman, don't remember) and Valeera (Belf Rogue)
Andrew Brannen 5 Not weird if you read the comics you’ll see the struggles she went with Varian and it also doesn’t help that she was a gladiator slave for the Horde. She pops up once or twice on the Alliance side of the war campaign reporting to Anduin.
Nathanos is actually there with Sylvanas. He is talking to her when you first arrive, and then walks away. Thank you for getting this out so quickly. With the reaction I've seen of all of this, it was nice to see someone at least say they liked some things. The cinematics were cool as always. I wish more people could see the things they like and don't like, instead of having just emotional, hate fueled reactions to everything.
The Horde fights for Azeroth. The Alliance fights for Azeroth. Sylvanas fights for... Argus? An Argus that has fallen to the void? Maybe? So, possibly a switch from Horde vs Alliance to Dark vs Light, with Horde and Alliance players being able to choose which new faction they join?
@@MaximumBooger Bahahahaha, you wish. That would be sooooo problematic. Not from a story telling perspective, but from a gameplay one. You already have to choose 1 of 2 factions that splits the player base down the middle...now you want to introduce two more? How will that work with existing guilds for example? It also means you permanently take away zones from players, because they are now hostile all of a sudden. Technically, you might be able to still be able to access these zones for older quests or whatever reason via altered zone states, but come on. This would cause all sorts of problems. Not to mention that it makes it even harder to find people for groups, raids, etc. No. That is one thing I'm 99% sure they'd never do.
Don't think it's the void. In the comic with her sister, the one wielding the void Alleria?, it tells her to kill Sylvanas. Even comes across as though the void is afraid of Sylvanas. My guess is she's a new power. Death. If you look at Wows cosmic graphic, Death is a separate entity and opposed to Life.
You were the Chosen One! You were supposed to destroy the Naga, not join them. You were supposed to bring balance to the Horde, not leave it in darkness. ..You were my Queen, Windrunner! I loved you.
I have a high feeling, that Varok will be resurrected, like his son. It will be very terrible to watch, but lorewise very fulfilling... Can't wait to see what Sylvanas has to offer in coming expansions. Her schemings sure are very creative. Also, no one noticed that one spot? Varok: Walk with me. Anduin: *Offers his daddy sword* Varok: Bruh, pity the sonless father. Anduin: No.
30:54 "Maybe that model actually is Gallywix, not Gazlowe" No- I personally don't think so. *It is Gazlowe* .He's deliberately placed with Rokhan and Rexxar, resembling the founding of Orgrimmar.
As far as Forsaken reaction: I don't think the current Forsaken in game are supposed to be the same Forsaken as pre-Wrath. Since the change, their start zone as well as other lore sources have heavily implied that the vast majority of the current Forsaken were raised by Sylvanas rather than freed by her. The OG Forsaken remaining were portrayed as few in number as well as so rotted (because apparently undeath does not stop decay in WoW) they're falling apart. In addition, the Forsaken killed by Sylvanas at the planned reunion in Arathi between The Forsaken and their living relatives *had* to be OG Forsaken where she just sort of slaughtered them. So no, I don't think Sylvanas would find much support among the Forsaken let alone the fanatical loyalty she'd once held.
I really want to see the implications for this for the forsaken. This is such a GIANT upset for everything they are and that's incredibly interesting to me. But i feel like that's kinda gonna get carried under the rug with old gods coming up right around the corner
as grateful as the forsaken are to her, i got the vibe off the intro forsaken starting quests in classic/vanilla that they still have somewhat of reservations towards her, despite sharing the mutual condition of undeath, sylvanas was a snobby high elf from quelthalas who treated humans as outsiders and not equals with the exception of one human who she liked, it's not too surprising that in some way maybe some forsaken questioned how loyal an undead high elf would be to humans especially since it was a human who was the undoing of their own and almost her own nation
João Correia Is this supposed to show Blizzard contradicting themselves? I hope you aren't pulling that. If you didn't realize almost immediately that Sylvanas was manipulating the Horde with their emotional attachment to that battlecry, then it just goes to show that some players are just as easily manipulated and driven by emotion as Sylvanas's dupes. But we already knew that given the crazy amount of fanboys who insist the selfish, genocidal death queen is acting out of character when she tries to kill a bunch of people for her own sake.
Yeah, but this time she apparently didn't need it at all. You see how physically powerful she is? She didn't use her 'windrunner' speed or tactics at all! She was just stronger than one of the strongest ORCS! Idk what happened in the last few months yet, but I'm really hoping someone can explain why she was so physically powerful instead of just being way too fast for him to hit.
Edit: Oh crap, I made my comment half way through the video. Turns out Nobbel is watching the outcome in this video. I'mm a proud supporter of Sylvanas, both before and after 8.2.5. Admittedly the outcome did feel a little odd considering that I play as a Blood Elf Paladin, but I'm 100% committed to her cause and used the Darkshore transmog set; so I thankfully didn't look out of place in the ingame cinematic. WARNING CONTAINS SPOILERS FOR THE SYLVANAS LOYALIST ROUTE: Sylvanas loyalists (finally!) got their own branch of the story like cracking down on Saurfang supporters within the walls of Orgrimmar before the Mak'Gora which felt so good to do. Seeing Saurfang die at the hands of Sylvanas was a cheerful moment. After the battle, a dark ranger hands us an envelope and requests our presence at WIndrunner Spire which Sylvanas wrote to us in the worst case scenario (she didn't intend to denounce the Horde). In the epilogue we got to see Nathanos and Sylvanas part ways and a revelation that Sylvanas has a pact with Azshara and currently seeks to annihilate all life "to feed the darkness". Sylvanas also says that the Saurfang Alliance will play into her hands because there will be casualties when they fight N'Zoth and she has a plan to kill N'Zoth and enslave him to the undeath. Sylvanas walks away as well, but vowed to be back. Sylvanas is an evil antagonists, there's no denying that. But it's so strange to see people rile up because the don't get their annual loot pinata that every expansion so far has provided. Blizzard actually doing something new like playing as an actual evil faction is worthy of praise. Also, as a bonus there was never any competition when I quested because >95% of the playerbase was outside the walls.
About Nathanos: Just before this cut scene, there is conversation between Sylvanas and Nathanos: They basically say farewell to eachother. [...] Sorry for my bad memory .... here is Taliesin clip clips.twitch.tv/AmazingArbitraryEyeballNomNom
One of my big takeaways from this arc is the development between the fatherless son and the sonless father. I thought that was a neat, under-spoken duality.
As a forsaken player who was loyal, id say I'm still thinking there is a twist in here somewhere, I never bought the "just trying to stay alive" as her only motivation. If she was just trying to stay alive she could be a hermit somewhere in outland or whatever and never risk dying. I think there is still some twist to be found that isn't entirely bad, but we'll see. Sylvanas as a villain wouldn't disappoint me.
My theory Sylvanas heads to Windrunner Spire (eastern kingdoms), Gathers more and more banshees to her(evident in clip) next makes her way to Stormwind uses banshees to decimate the population of Stormwind by using their screams, Raises the Stormwind population into undeath(tying in nicely to the supposed leaked end raid of B.F.A Siege of Stormwind where we have to go in and basically Stratholme 2.0 the city.) Ending with everyone dead and the ships roll into the harbour kicking off next expansion.
Sylvanas clearly had a secret power up at some point, there's a dialogue between Jaina, Lor'themar and Thalysra about the kind of magic she used and they say that it's foreign and never seen before
I loved this conclusion to the war campaign. Very satisfying. One interesting note. During the questing afterwards there is some dialog between Jaina and Thalysra about not recognizing the type of magic that Sylvannas used to kill Saurfang.
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Tomorrow I'll be able to play through the campaign myself and see all the info live, but for those that want to see it, here's my initial reaction to the newly released cinematics.
In short my opinion is a bit mixed. Cinematics look awesome as always and I love the fight. It's unable to shake my general criticism of b4a which is we've done this so many times now.
That said, imo best case scenario for the story we've given. Excited to see what's next!
Nobbel87 hey, are you going to do a summary video of the entire campaign?
Shalamayne can only be split if its wilder is a true king or someone ritrious and true by heart to be a king!
Did any1 notice that during Sylnanes's "you are all nothing" monologue the same theme song was playing during the Illidan's monologue for Burning Crusade cinematic trailer
Is that a hint that she is like Illidan sacrificing all to face the ultimate big bad???
You didnt see most important part of this patch! When Nathanos called her "my love".
BTW, before the loyalist talks to Sylvanas, there is a scene happening with Nathanos talking to her mid conversation. Ending with the cringy ''My Love''...
Sylvanas yells: THE HORDE IS NOTHING
Sylvanas whispers: oops wrong chat!
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Sylvanas: "If the traitors knew of your service to me, they'd have put you in irons..."
My Undead Warlock, standing there in full plague bringer armour, forsaken tabard and "Of the Undercity" title: "Yeah, don't worry. They don't suspect a thing."
xD
The thing is, the Forsaken as a whole understand they've been abandoned by Sylvanas as well, and they're hurting the hardest from it. In the words of two Forsaken Refugees in Orgrimmar: "We are her people!" "Not anymore."
If anything, your character could pull off the "I've been abandoned by Sylvanas and *she will die for it"* bit better than most characters, BECAUSE of how heavily decked out you are in Forsaken imagery.
Hmmmmmm, sounds legit. Let’s go hunt her down together!
"Don't worry, I literally fired some of the cannons with Putress and they just forgot. I'll be fine."
You can put the foam finger down. this battle is lost....
12:10 Zappyboi: What do we do now?
Nobbel: What we always do.
Me: Find a new Warchief.
Thrall: Am I a joke to you?
@@samuelazzaro did you forget the Cinematic with Saurfang and Thrall in Nagrand?
You killed the joke.
I thought it was a reference to the old cartoon "Pinky and the Brain"
At least we got Thrall back for now.
Is there anything more stereotypically Horde than a duel outside Orgrimmar gates?
only the strongest duel in orgrimar ;)
and sometimes you get those few alliance spectators that no one fucks with
A duel in the Warchief's camp.
Sylvanas Windrunner!!!.......duel me tho.
Alliance players duel in Goldshire. Trust me, I play both factions.
We all know Bwonsamdi's boss is Mankriks wife.
he isnt, but he is the only one who knows where she is.
actually its hakarr
Nah it's Mankriks wife
We all know why he’s afraid of her, she pimpslaps her if he messes up
He put her body their , so we find her to make mankrik go on a killing spree to give him more souls ... prove me wrong
I will say this: Varok Saurfang, in the end, got *exactly* what he wanted. The Horde is reunited, Sylvanas is no longer in command to poison it, and he got his Warrior's death. And he'll be buried in Nagrand, alongside his son.
I can't think of a better way for him to go, really.
Totally agree. His smile at the end tells you he got what he wanted out of the duel.
Teldrassil still burns
So lets just bring him back as the Deathlord
@@bf2142Fallensoul that......actually wouldnt be that bad of an idea. The son corrupted by the lich king then returned in reconcilliation, varok sacrifices himself for reconcoliation then comes back to serve in death the greater good.
Better yet lets bring both saurfangs back, also fordring and lets go to the shadowlands
Gallywix is ofcourse organizing the entry fee to this fine event.
My guess is he's playing golf right now. Funerals are such a bummer.
The power of money will conquer all
He was giving a speech at the UN that moment
He and mechatorque are recuperating in hospital right?
He's actually at his Pleasure Palace burning evidence. Go check it's really funny!
"Mr. Gallywix, why are you burning all your personal papers?"
"As of this moment, Jastor Gallywix no longer exists. Say hello to Miguel Sanchez!"
lmao
Brilliant haha
Hahahahaha!
hahahahaha!
Would laugh so hard if he goes down not in battle, but from tax evasion
Anduin: we got a few bad eggs too Arthas, Daelin.
Garithos: Am i a Joke to you?
#Garithosdidnothingwrong
Damn knife ears.
Garithos fights Kael'thas, he flees and tries to summon Kil'jaeden.
Garithos sided with Sylvanas, she betrays him and then becomes a bitch.
Garithos did nothing wrong, literally all elves he ever dealt with became supervillains.
Garithos is the reason why the Horde got the High Elves. Thanks!
Daelin did nothing wrong. The Horde ravaged his kingdom, killed his son and murdered his people. What did you expect him to do? Say hi and became best pals with those brutes? Saurfang said it himself in this cinematic, that the Horde was tainted with corruption and killed many innocents. Saurfang just validated Daelin actions.
Anduin had to cut in, otherwise Saurfang would be there all day listing the Horde's atrocities.
One-handed Axe increased to 2.
One-handed Swords increased to 2.
Saurfang should have stuck with Two-Handed Axe 450/450.
the axe and the sword are two-handed wep , he is like fury
Saurfang is a Warrior class, using Furry spec. He is using two two-handed weapons. If anything, Sylv should not be able to block that two-handed axe with a dagger. Especially since Suarfang is 4 - 5 x stronger then Sylv. If my rogue could do that to a Warrior, I would laugh my butt off.
@@cainabel6356 How many thousands of years old is your rogue, and is your rogue a banshee?
@@robertalexstorm Has nothing to do with it. She has hidden power we know nothing of yet, that she DID NOT have when she was first introduced upon her death.
@@cainabel6356 Sylvannas did not block him with brute strength. She did it with the magic power shes has. Like Superman has super human strength.
"Wheres our home?"
"Orgrimmar?"
"I said home."
"Duratar?" (kinda forgot the spelling)
"Bigger."
"Kalimdor?"
"I said bigger."
"Azeroth?"
"Bingo."
"Ohhh!"
(One orc in the background) Dranor..............what?
"And ours?"
"Stormwind."
"Jaina pls"
"Lets Take him Home"
"Ahh, Azeroth"
".............No. Orgrimmar. Duh"
@@jetfan88 They should bring him to Nagrand. Remember his words towards his dead son in the WotL Raid.
"Our heart...?"
"Uh..."
"The Heart of Azeroth!"
"Close enough."
Man... I wish they brought Khadgar for this. He is the first guy was: NOT FOR HORDE! NOT FOR ALLIANCE! BUT FOR AZEROTH!
And I would love when everyone stands up he would fly there and transformed and bashed his staff into the ground and ready to fight for Azeroth one more.
Khadgar for President of Azeroth 2019
Also Sylvanas went full Dementor here
I kinda hoped we'd see something like this. Maybe from various characters or factions, possibly down the line then.
Like we'd see more of the neutral forces turning up to a losing fight, let's say if the fight in front of Orgrimmar had erupted.
Pandaren (they'd be fine fighting with unified horde/alliance), Wrathion or Ebon Blade (they'd know something we don't about the Death), things like that :P
They certainly didn't fit this plot we just saw, though.
Khadgar is too busy writing dad jokes for the next time his presence is essential.
Yea wth Khadgar should had been there...
But Khadgar is a shitty mage..?
@@Metalton95 not really, he managed to defeat Deathwing
Man Anduin screwd Saurfang so hard, he is an Axe user, obviously his swordskill wasn't high enough...
Anduin: gives his father's swords.
Saurfang: but my swordskill is 1.
Anduin: But my daddy is not here.
@@peagames2002 lmap
Yeah but he didn't even knick her with that axe!
As High Overlord he obviously has maxed out weapon skills for all of em. And he doesn't even need Edgemaster's. duh.
Weapon-skill doesn't matter in PvP though.
Sylvanas: "The horde is nothing"
Also Sylvanas "Nothing lasts"
*foreshadowing intensifies*
Guess a paladin resurrection would have ruined the moment :D
Pally was OOM. We back in WoW classic, mana regen is hard
Yeah a rez would have ruined it and kinda invalidated the finale of his arc
OOM
What if paladins can't actually bring people back from the dead, but rather bring people back from the BRINK of death? This theory would explain why Calia Menethil couldn't simply have been resurrected by conventional means.
Or maybe if an individual is too powerful, then normal resurrective spells won't be strong enough to revive them.
@@Nethrezar yeah i can buy that. Same goes for priests.
Gallywixx was probably selling Saurfang's axe in the auction house.
Gallywix actually ran off, and basically abandoned his place in the Bilgewater Cartel. Gazlowe, who has *long* been portrayed as being heavily biased toward supporting the Horde despite being supposedly neutral, is stepping in to take his place. The Horde-aligned Goblins finally have the leader they should have had from the beginning.
Sylvanas comes out the gate just like Arthas at the Wrath Gate... Varok says "Let it be finished!" just like his son... at the Wrath Gate.. Nice one Blizz.
The one thing Legion and BFA has taught me is never say "For AZEROTH!" Varian did it and got blown up, Varok did it and got poofed.. don't do it!
Indeed, it looked very badass and deja vu.
Yeah i think we are getting a Lich Queen scenario here. Bolvar vs Sylvanas cinematic at blizzcon!
@@DrWarcraft shouldnt they be both lich queen and king? Bolvar is the new lich king
@@cautarepvp2079 shes hot, so im gonna go with Bolvar saying yes 🤣 But i dont think Sylvanas has any intentions on sharing anything, especially not power. Plus she hates the entity known as the lich king. But who knows.... 😊 we will see
they knew they were gonna die is why they say it not the opposite wym
"let it be finished"
His son's last words. Love the throwback.
And then "for Azeroth!" last words of Varian.
"I never thought I'd die fighting side by side with horde scum"
"How about dying side by side with a friend"
"Aye I could do that"
I loved that moment
Reminds me of a conversation 2 Orcs had in the quests leading up to these recent cinematic.
Orc Guard 1: "Never though I'd be storming Orgrimmar with the Alliance."
Orc Guard 2: "It's my second time, I was there with them then too."
Orc Guard 1: "Veteran traitor then huh?"
Orc Guard 2: "Not at all, loyalty is why I'm here."
breaking the cycle.... what the pandas told us to do BACK in MoP
Suddenly TarenZu pops out of no where screaming "FINALLY SOMEONE LISTENS!"
all I got was Danaerys flashbacks tbh
Yeah like we need more facts that shows that BFA is nothing more but MoP 2.0
Medivh was obsessed with breaking the cycle during his first life
@@franciscorafaelmontielpale7854 It's not really, it's like deliberatly trying to play very very directly the mistakes of the past as an allegory and this thing WoW does all the time, the problem is that blizzard writting is all over the place so instead of being a new conflcit that is reminiscent of horrible things of the past (I.e reminding us of Garrosh and further bacl) it ends up feeling like reharshed same content because there is so much secrecy about Sylvanas motives, which makes them seem nonsensical, at least Garrosh told you directly the motivations of the horrible things he did and that culminated in WoD but Sylvanas? we still don't have a clue what her deal is only that is a self preserving one but her stuff starts from about Legion dealing with Helya it's very obvious building up to something in the back and the problem was making that the centre piece of this expansion but the problem is when it takes focus on an expansion it dilutes everything else, if this was still in the background and the conflict was something else and we got revelaed in 8.3 what her plan was for next expa it'd be different or if we knew what her entire deal was in 8.1 but as it is it's just messy because the story can't focus on what it wants to tell.
What I'm saying is that the conflict feels manufactured as a means to drive the story towards a next expansion rather than conclude in this very expansion once the conflict is put into focus.
Sylvannas rejecting the horde is like Scar rejecting the hyenas lmao
funny thing she got a scar after the fight
Fact
Can you even believe that after that there is still people who support her?
Like, dudes, Sylvanas fanboys need to stop thinking with their dicks for once.
elFacho as a body, yes she is good. However, although I was hoping her to change her ways, the fact that she pulled Warcraft movie Gul’dan on Saurfang at the end I knew that even her most loyal of followers would be like “Oh shit! I thought someone cared about us”. I liked the visual storytelling with the Forsaken, they have been forsaken by everyone yet the Horde is still with them
Im a woman and with sylvanas til the end
Sylvanas has earned the achievement:
[Orgrimmar Offensive]
Damage High Overlord Saurfang until he humors you by pretending to die.
We may never know Uther. I intend to live forever
Sylvanas doesn't serve the Old Gods, Sylvanas serves Death. Her whole schtick this whole expansion has been in fueling the war to add more bodies to the pile and more souls to the Shadowlands. This is looking more and more like it was actually some kind of plot put together by some kind of Death related entity (perhaps Death has it's own 'higher avatar' like the Light has the Naaru and the Void the Void Lords) to give it all the power it needs for some grand plan. Whatever it is, I look forwards to it!
She made a deal with Helya and got the lantern with which she wanted to control Eyir. Maybe her part of the deal was bringing Helya more and more dead people
"We have two options : victory or death... And Death is mine to rule over"
Yep, I was right, that definitively meant "I'm going to kill you all"
blizzard isn't that cleaver though, writing has been pure shit this whole xpac except for Saurfang and they fucken killed him...I"m so done with current wow, I'm just going wait for TBC or Wotlk to sub again, I have no interest in new xpac what so ever, BFA was total train wreck and you just again going type it again killed off amazing character
kyotheman69 Oh shut the hell up.
@@kyotheman69 they surptused you then? That is what they went for after all
"Where is our home?"
"Azeroth."
A few moments later.
"What do we do now?"
We take him home."
Carries him to Orgrimmar.
What?!
Ikr.
I suspect by home they actually mean Outland. Seems fitting for him to be taken there.
I say he is laid next to his son
Origimmar was built by men like Saurfang. It’s his home and his final rest is well earned.
I believe he would rather be with his boy. Than in some azeroth grave
Saurfang finally earns his warrior's death
Deathlord: I'm about to ruin this man's funeral.
9.1 new follower; deathlord saurfang. Now we can farm rep with saurfang
I imagine Blizz just forgot Gallywix just like everyone else has and should
He's charging premium for the best seats in the house
@Brant Hall, you've clearly never seen the price tags for funerals. Gallywix should be all over this, gold-lined coffins with extra large spikes at marked up prices!
Goblins shouldn't be so grasping, they got their new models with this patch, why do they want story-progression as well? (if it isn't obvious, this contains a wee bit of sarcasm)
That undead flag carriers look when she said that was PRICELESS!
I honestly would have missed that. TY
And Saurfang's smirk after that like "gotcha"
surprise forsaken pikachu
Banner Bae is the true victory
"Say sike rn milady! Say sike for gods sake!"
I'm actually not remotely surprised that a former ranger general of quel'thalas who is probably 1000+ years old and still in her prime who was brought back to life a wraith with altered physiology easily beats an old orc in a 1v1. Varok isn't a pushover, but he's definitely beyond his prime.
that's cause you're not very intelligent
she's an archer.
This was the equivalent of a warrior dueling a hunter, but with the hunter only using a dagger.
@@aidenlenhardt4163 Just as Legolas of Green Arrow who still kick ass in melee.
@@jacktheripper2537 comparing 2 different methos' to each other isn't an argument
8:05 is the reason she's OP here. Pay attention please.
Adrian Lenhardt You just lack imagination mate,Sylvanas is not a hunter. She is Sylvanas Windrunner. In lore Characters arent bound to specs or classes
@@aidenlenhardt4163 You do realize that's not a hunter right?
She was the first Dark Ranger (which all do seem to have alot of skill with both Daggers / Swords + Bows)
She also has alot of abilities that does make her seem like a sorceress aswell.
I also had no doubt that Sylvanas would win the fight even from the start if she were to use her bow only. (nothing would change)
Sylvanas is way way too powerful compared to Varok
(despite hating sylvanas with all my guts)
Nathanos, gallywix missing.
Genn, tyrande and malfurion passing on a chance to storm a horde capital?
Turalyon and the wind runner sisters no show to a scrap?
Hope my play thru tomorrow fills in some blanks
yeah most of the stuff is answered in the gameplay, other then Turalyon, id guess he was still deployed as a commander.
Gallywix was apparently frantically burning documents and "tying up lose ends" as Saurfang and crew arrived according to some goblin npcs.
I just assumed the Alliance leaders didn't shownup cuz they were busy on other fronts of the war
I have a feeling Nathanos might be dead at this point. Cant say why Greymane isnt there, I mean he should be the one to kill Sylvanas.
Genn is there. He’s not happy about it, but he’s there.
"where is our home"
"Azeroth"
Draenor: am I a joke to you?
Draenor is just a landing strip for a 747 now.
Move on, Draenor
Draenor is ruled by lightfused fanatics
But hey if you like a dictatorship more power to ya
@@lolosh99 Not your draenor.
That smile from Saurfang right before he died affirms it, this was exactly how he planned it. He knew he was going to die but his true intention was to out Sylvanas. He played her like a fiddle.
This cinematic gave me throwbacks to the Wrathgate cinematic: The way Saurfang calls out Sylvanas to face him, like Bolvar with Arthas, the way Sylvanas steps out of Orgrimmar like Arthas out of the Wrathgate, Saurfang saying to Sylvanas "Let it be finished" like his son to Arthas, Sylvanas betraying the Forsaken like Putriss. Aw man, so so so good this cinematic is!
Blizzard writers: What do you mean we make cheesey villains?
Sylvanas: 'Yall are rats!' *rockets away like Voldemort*
It was more of a Snape getaway
Still cool
The last and final boss of World of Warcraft: THE SPIRITHEALER! DUN-DUN-DUNNNNNN!!!!!!
Finally end the cycle and begin a new one:
Hardcore WOW
I can get behind that 😯
@@andreware2039 pls not. I think I died a ton of times just falling of some steep cliff or into some hole.
@@Satherian Classic already came out, Bruv.
@@KVIROS and it has more folk playing it than retail
Thrall: Go join your son with honor.
Some random priest/paladin/druid: *resurrects Saurfang*
Saurfang: srsly guise....
What about us dk's? We could use a fifth horsemen...
This is a bit of an awkward time to be a Forsaken shadow priest in Orgrimmar.
I have an undead holy priest that I always played as a black sheep among the forsaken because he was really cheerful and acted like his old human self and I imagine as soon as he got the choice to split he was just standing there armored up like
"I've been waiting 15 years to kill that bitch."
Steven Stone aaw, I also play an undead holy priest. I always imagined that I heal people so they don‘t have to meet the same fate „I“ had to, as an undead :)
@@stevie_ily "I never asked for my fate, i never enjoyed it, but i will make sure noone else can embrace that kind of death."
@@stevie_ily noice
Sylvanas doing a voldemort
He, too, was afraid of dying.
Mads Laursen literally was like oh, she flew like a death eater lol
One thing I really liked about this cinematic is that it finally shows us something Blizz only really told us before: Saurfang is smart. He's the Horde's top military commander, second only to the Warchief, for a reason. He knew exactly how to get what he wanted out of Sylvanas: he played into her sadism to get the mak'gora, and during the mak'gora, when he realized she had him outmatched so long as she kept her cool, he began hitting her buttons. He'd seen how badly she reacted to Delaryn denying her nihilistic worldview and clinging to hope in the face of death, and it's not exactly uncommon knowledge that she reacts poorly to failure. So Saurfang zeroed in on those and kept hammering those flaws, bringing up all the times in the war she came up short, finishing it with finally getting a blow in on her. Nothing major, just enough to set her off. And set her off it did.
At that point, who won the fight was immaterial, and they both knew it. Sylvanas had to take a moment to figure out her next step and decided doubling down was her only real option here, since he just played her into squandering the Horde's support in one sentence. Saurfang knew he was probably going to die, but he died knowing he saved the Horde from a civil war much less lopsided than the one Garrosh brought on himself.
I wish we had more cinematics where characters who are supposed to be smart or wise actually play the part. So far, the only smart character who behaves intelligently is Sylvanas, and that's mostly just because her fight with Bolvar turned into a clown show of ineffectual flailing while she strutted about spewing out catch phrases right out of a Rob Liefeld comic book.
This expansion is all about how we are stuck in this cycle of hatred. And instead of fighting for Orgrimmar Saurfang Laying down his life is breaking the cycle
Honestly, I am suprised at how good and fresh this feels. I hope it will reflect in the game aswell.
Saurfang is an old orc chained down by the past running from it instead of embracing it thus he was an suicidal orc looking for death.
This lesson will be lost on many, but not us WC3 players.
@Imabubble yay the aether crew got put down like old yeller. It's the GoT of endings
A cycle that shouldve taken more than the guy whose strategy worked fantastically in the siege of teldrassil, to become a martyr.
It's stupid
"Avada kedavra!" *dementors back to Azkaban*
1:45 They replaced Anduin with Arthas model. What they wanted to say 🤔
oh my god this
Reminds me of when Arthas was ascending the Frozen Throne.
holy crap
Giulio Guilherme - Exacly this!
Illgynoth (or however you spell that) did say the boy serves at the masters table so...
I like how we heard the names of fallen heroes and villains. How they remind us... remind us cause we might see them again, in the Shadowlands.
I think the reason why Sylvanas was so strong against Saurfang is because of the power she has acquired from the void and Xal'atath, and probably mixed with some death power. Because it didn't seem normal the way she blocked his powerful blows (we know how crazy Saurfang is) and that also goes for when Saurfang finally hurt her, she were hardly knocked back at all!
Maybe she tapped Azshara? The moment N'Zoth brought her back to life?
she was a ranger general for 10000 years she should be more capable than all of them its only logical she beats him (he is also old...) this is the one who almost killed Arthas remember
@@zerinkreco3925 who almost killed Arthas lol? Varok never fought Arthas and when did Sylvannas fight Arthas
@@cautarepvp2079 Warcraft III
@@zerinkreco3925 I don't care how many 'years of experience' you have, you don't parry blows from someone twice your size without moving at all, the momentum still exists. It has to be some form of magic.
Next expansion:
World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Banshee Queen, the last raid dungeon will be a massive raid dungeon with the Banshee Queen as the final boss, and some iconic character having to take her place for some reason.
everyone misses the most important part of all this
8:05
do you not hear the whispers? Do you not see how they're trying to show you that she's wielding something new, and it absorbs into her turning her into something OP for the duel?
Pretty sure that's just her Banshee powers
Very similar to N'Zoth tentacle shadows in the Azshara cinematic
@@Styder111 you can hear whispers lol.
If you seriously dont see a difference between Sylvanas here, and lets say ... fighting on the Broken Shore during the opening of Legion, then you're not very bright.
Blizzard cinematic team did it on purpose. Its forshadowing for the power she now wields. Even the leaders say they did not know where that ppwer came from
And I heard on a video that the horde leaders speak right after the cinematic. They reference Sylv's NEW powers and wonder when did she get them and how they didn't notice...
Sylvanas: The horde is nothing!
forsaken: looks at his queen. are we jokes to you?
John Arch that’s just sad, she pities her own people but is willing to throw them to the wayside
@@miguelfrancescohogar7501 all because they wouldn't be come cold hearted like her.
ChouhouinNeko it seems like there is hope for the Forsaken. Many have honor, like that one Forsaken guardian. What’ll happen to all the dark rangers though
@@miguelfrancescohogar7501 cailia will lead the forsaken. dark rangers star with der queen
@@ChouhouinNeko Ugh, please no. Calia shouldn't be ruling anything other than a peaceful order of priests.
"Her heart if a void, and we have filled it." I think that the meaning has become clearly apparent.
Oooo i see what u mean.
I mean, all through BFA we've also been filling the Heart of Azeroth
No. I don't think that is correct.
I may be wrong though. There are many who serve thinking they will over power your master but end up in the dirt.
Her heart is a CRATER.
For Sylvanas, that could be the Dead Scar.
@@Guus775 They can. The mindless undead under Arthas's command still mumbled Void things when they were mining Sargerite. They are highly resistant, but not immune.
Nathanos: "Wait, where is everyone going?"
Nathanos: "My Queen just went to the bathroom. She'll be back."
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.
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Nathanos: "Any-time now..."
"Vareesa- No... Valeera? Valeera! Valeera Sanguinar."
Well, someone's obviously not been playing enough Hurtstone.
Anduin: *Sheds a tear*
Thrall: "Hey, man bun, we don't do no crying rez in the horde"
Calia Menethil is in the Alliance story arc as well. Jaina says something like, "You( Calia) can help others like youve helped Declan (Proudmore)"
Prompting Calia being Forsaken Leader?
Meanwhile, civilians enjoying the brewfest just off camera sit frozen mouths gaping.
"the live entertainment at these festivities gets better every year. the special effects that loudmouth zombie elf whore used to fly off all smokey like must have been insane to pull off. i dont know how theyre gonna top it next year! (noms on soft pretzel)
I may be a little paranoid, but when Sylvanas says "you are all nothing", that seems weirdly calculated.
We got Jebaited.....again
I think this “you are all nothing” speech is just a part of her plan how to unite Alliance and Horde against true enemy, she sacrificed her reputation for greater thing. This is my opinion from start, but maybe im wrong. We will see in 8.3......maybe
Look at the loyalist cinematic. It explains this all was a set up
I don't think it completely explains what happened though.
@@kyero8724 Maybe yes, but idk. She sent 2 LIDL rogues to kill ex-warchief green Jesus Thrall. Isnt this weird too? Or maybe it was her plan how to bring back Thrall.
So what are we? Some kind of Battle for Azeroth?
this is such a World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth Patch 8.2.5 War Campaign finale in-game cinematic moment
Lol
I'm glad it was the Forsaken that first welcomed Saurfang home for his final rest. It is good that the Forsaken can now break away from Sylvanas, they had been deifying her and had been little more than her lackeys for too long. Now they can walk their own path, forge their own identity, not the one Sylvanas made for them.
When he said, "...Perhaps, just one"...he meant himself. "If you could see yourselves as I see you, toy soldiers in tin plate. Beasts who howl for honor. STANDING AS ONE. Savor it, nothing lasts". She knew what she was doing. She is the reason we have united, now.
Never got the feeling that she thinks she can control N'zoth. More that unleashing him will cause more death and those souls will power something else. More like using the old gods as a tool to further her own schemes, or the schemes of her potential master...
If Sylvanas thinks she can even remotely compare the power of N'zoth... put it this way
(40k) That'd be like Magnus The Red thinking they were able to dominate Tzeentch, Chaos God of Change.
Like, it comes to the point where Hubris is tantamount to Mental Retardation.
Personally I think that Sylvanas hit that point long ago but that's Sylvanas Fans for ya.
It will make it all the sweeter when N’zoth shrugs Sylvanas off and uses her more than she thinks she can use him.
I really hope blizzard isnt going for Sylvanas being more cunning than N'zoth, that makes no fucking sense whatsoever..
Never said she thinks she is more cunning or is more powerful. It does not take a genius to figure out releasing an old god will cause a lot of death. I think her plan is to open the door and then get the hell out of the way. Hide in the shadowlands until next expansion.
For me it all comes down to if she have a master. Based in the cosmology chart from chronicles, there is still room for a Cosmic entity behind death, a kin to the power of Titans or Void Lords.
Maybe Mueh'zala is the cosmic avatar of Death or something, and he feeds on souls of the dead...
Would lead nicely into shadowlands plot, and I could see it working for both faction. The night warrior for the ally, and Loa Voljin for horde.
@@Eric-sy1xu and not even regular Magnus and Tzeetch, but Text-to-Speech Magnus and Tzeetch
Sylvanas is an anime villain now. I need an Amv with her and Naruto music.
naruto run 25 men raid
She does have that Linkin Park vibe used for old AMVs.
linkin park
Sylvanas: "Team Rocket's blasting off agaiiiiiiin." *Tink*
I think they tried to show that Saurfang has grown old and will soon be too weak to find his glorious death. This was the most merciful death they could have given for him
Oh, Nathanos is indeed with Sylvanas in the loyalist ending. It's a short interaction (he left before where you started) but I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
I will laugh and I mean LAUGH if Sylvanas returns to resurrect Saurfang just out of spite lol
You know we dk's have the four horsemen, right?
...Why not make it five? :D
My first time seeing Valeera in a Cinematic
Corvus Gaming she’s decked out in red and has bright green daggers. She’s also alliance so you can See her walking through the portal
Well yea Valeera pretty much loyal to the Wrynn family. She even saw anduin grow up during the wow comics.
@@shotokankun Weird that a Bloodelf is loyal to the Alliance
@@EvileyeV Nobbel prob has a vid on her. Also a vid on Varian which touches on his gladiator days with Rehgar (Orc Druid/Shaman, don't remember) and Valeera (Belf Rogue)
Andrew Brannen 5 Not weird if you read the comics you’ll see the struggles she went with Varian and it also doesn’t help that she was a gladiator slave for the Horde. She pops up once or twice on the Alliance side of the war campaign reporting to Anduin.
Nathanos is actually there with Sylvanas. He is talking to her when you first arrive, and then walks away. Thank you for getting this out so quickly. With the reaction I've seen of all of this, it was nice to see someone at least say they liked some things. The cinematics were cool as always. I wish more people could see the things they like and don't like, instead of having just emotional, hate fueled reactions to everything.
The Horde fights for Azeroth.
The Alliance fights for Azeroth.
Sylvanas fights for... Argus? An Argus that has fallen to the void? Maybe?
So, possibly a switch from Horde vs Alliance to Dark vs Light, with Horde and Alliance players being able to choose which new faction they join?
what will be the new faction?
@@cautarepvp2079 The Void and the Light
@@MaximumBooger Bahahahaha, you wish. That would be sooooo problematic. Not from a story telling perspective, but from a gameplay one. You already have to choose 1 of 2 factions that splits the player base down the middle...now you want to introduce two more? How will that work with existing guilds for example? It also means you permanently take away zones from players, because they are now hostile all of a sudden. Technically, you might be able to still be able to access these zones for older quests or whatever reason via altered zone states, but come on. This would cause all sorts of problems. Not to mention that it makes it even harder to find people for groups, raids, etc. No. That is one thing I'm 99% sure they'd never do.
Don't think it's the void. In the comic with her sister, the one wielding the void Alleria?, it tells her to kill Sylvanas. Even comes across as though the void is afraid of Sylvanas. My guess is she's a new power. Death. If you look at Wows cosmic graphic, Death is a separate entity and opposed to Life.
I... Have been crying for fuckin years for the factions to change up.
Once she cast the horde aside, Saurfang was pleased. His mission was accomplished and was fine with dying at that point
You were the Chosen One! You were supposed to destroy the Naga, not join them. You were supposed to bring balance to the Horde, not leave it in darkness.
..You were my Queen, Windrunner! I loved you.
*Death claims us all* - Silvanas
That is going to bite her later.
Don't mind me. Just a Death Knight eager to raise him up as a champion of the damned.
Same here.
We could use a fifth horsemen.
Maybe even just as a spare, just in case you know?
Tyrande also missing.
I have a high feeling, that Varok will be resurrected, like his son. It will be very terrible to watch, but lorewise very fulfilling...
Can't wait to see what Sylvanas has to offer in coming expansions. Her schemings sure are very creative.
Also, no one noticed that one spot?
Varok: Walk with me.
Anduin: *Offers his daddy sword*
Varok: Bruh, pity the sonless father.
Anduin: No.
Yes yes yes dew it, Varok needs to be the Deathlord
30:54 "Maybe that model actually is Gallywix, not Gazlowe"
No- I personally don't think so. *It is Gazlowe* .He's deliberately placed with Rokhan and Rexxar, resembling the founding of Orgrimmar.
Interesting that Gallywix is not there actually - and he was the one who approached Sylvanas with the Azerite initially. Alterior Motives.
According to some goblins he was apparently "tying up loose ends" and frantically burning paperwork when Saurfang and crew arrived.
It's funny because if anyone plays on Argent Dawn years ago there was a guild led by Sarraphene that had this exact storyline of a joint Azeroth.
You missed one more cut scene:)
Derek talking with Jaina and Calia.
As far as Forsaken reaction: I don't think the current Forsaken in game are supposed to be the same Forsaken as pre-Wrath. Since the change, their start zone as well as other lore sources have heavily implied that the vast majority of the current Forsaken were raised by Sylvanas rather than freed by her. The OG Forsaken remaining were portrayed as few in number as well as so rotted (because apparently undeath does not stop decay in WoW) they're falling apart. In addition, the Forsaken killed by Sylvanas at the planned reunion in Arathi between The Forsaken and their living relatives *had* to be OG Forsaken where she just sort of slaughtered them. So no, I don't think Sylvanas would find much support among the Forsaken let alone the fanatical loyalty she'd once held.
Inb4 they make Nathanos pull a Jon Snow and he kills Sylvanas
One can only hope. But I doubt it, dude is whipped af for someone that never gets to pound that rotting snatch.
I dunn wunt it. She mah queen.
I really want to see the implications for this for the forsaken. This is such a GIANT upset for everything they are and that's incredibly interesting to me. But i feel like that's kinda gonna get carried under the rug with old gods coming up right around the corner
as grateful as the forsaken are to her, i got the vibe off the intro forsaken starting quests in classic/vanilla that they still have somewhat of reservations towards her, despite sharing the mutual condition of undeath, sylvanas was a snobby high elf from quelthalas who treated humans as outsiders and not equals with the exception of one human who she liked, it's not too surprising that in some way maybe some forsaken questioned how loyal an undead high elf would be to humans especially since it was a human who was the undoing of their own and almost her own nation
"For the Horde!"
"The Horde is nothing!"
Ok
João Correia Is this supposed to show Blizzard contradicting themselves? I hope you aren't pulling that. If you didn't realize almost immediately that Sylvanas was manipulating the Horde with their emotional attachment to that battlecry, then it just goes to show that some players are just as easily manipulated and driven by emotion as Sylvanas's dupes. But we already knew that given the crazy amount of fanboys who insist the selfish, genocidal death queen is acting out of character when she tries to kill a bunch of people for her own sake.
@@TuhljinTampergauge Ok boomer
That horde guard be like: "The fuck did you just say?"
every time we see a makgara the winner uses magic and cheats. from guldan to thrall and now our dark lady
Yeah, but this time she apparently didn't need it at all. You see how physically powerful she is? She didn't use her 'windrunner' speed or tactics at all! She was just stronger than one of the strongest ORCS! Idk what happened in the last few months yet, but I'm really hoping someone can explain why she was so physically powerful instead of just being way too fast for him to hit.
Calling it now: Sylvanas aims to become the new galactic embodiment of Death.
Managed to hit this comment section faster than saurfang hitting that Mak'gora
Edit: Oh crap, I made my comment half way through the video. Turns out Nobbel is watching the outcome in this video.
I'mm a proud supporter of Sylvanas, both before and after 8.2.5. Admittedly the outcome did feel a little odd considering that I play as a Blood Elf Paladin, but I'm 100% committed to her cause and used the Darkshore transmog set; so I thankfully didn't look out of place in the ingame cinematic.
WARNING CONTAINS SPOILERS FOR THE SYLVANAS LOYALIST ROUTE:
Sylvanas loyalists (finally!) got their own branch of the story like cracking down on Saurfang supporters within the walls of Orgrimmar before the Mak'Gora which felt so good to do. Seeing Saurfang die at the hands of Sylvanas was a cheerful moment.
After the battle, a dark ranger hands us an envelope and requests our presence at WIndrunner Spire which Sylvanas wrote to us in the worst case scenario (she didn't intend to denounce the Horde).
In the epilogue we got to see Nathanos and Sylvanas part ways and a revelation that Sylvanas has a pact with Azshara and currently seeks to annihilate all life "to feed the darkness". Sylvanas also says that the Saurfang Alliance will play into her hands because there will be casualties when they fight N'Zoth and she has a plan to kill N'Zoth and enslave him to the undeath. Sylvanas walks away as well, but vowed to be back.
Sylvanas is an evil antagonists, there's no denying that. But it's so strange to see people rile up because the don't get their annual loot pinata that every expansion so far has provided. Blizzard actually doing something new like playing as an actual evil faction is worthy of praise.
Also, as a bonus there was never any competition when I quested because >95% of the playerbase was outside the walls.
Blizzard doesnt write plotlines, they concoct heroic last stands and movie trailer moments with some gameplay smooshed between them.
Not even dude, you clearly dont read the quest text, books, comics, and older games. The story is there but they're not gonna spoon feed you.
About Nathanos:
Just before this cut scene, there is conversation between Sylvanas and Nathanos:
They basically say farewell to eachother. [...] Sorry for my bad memory .... here is Taliesin clip
clips.twitch.tv/AmazingArbitraryEyeballNomNom
Oh and that is not Nathanos that is Geya'rah the Mag'har's leader and alternative reality thrall.
One of my big takeaways from this arc is the development between the fatherless son and the sonless father. I thought that was a neat, under-spoken duality.
So since Talan'ji demanded to be treated as equal to Sylvanas, does that make her Warchief now?
Sylvanas yells: THE HORDE IS NOTHING
undead guy holding the undead banner: wtf!.
sorry i meant Forsaken banner!
As a forsaken player who was loyal, id say I'm still thinking there is a twist in here somewhere, I never bought the "just trying to stay alive" as her only motivation. If she was just trying to stay alive she could be a hermit somewhere in outland or whatever and never risk dying. I think there is still some twist to be found that isn't entirely bad, but we'll see. Sylvanas as a villain wouldn't disappoint me.
My theory Sylvanas heads to Windrunner Spire (eastern kingdoms), Gathers more and more banshees to her(evident in clip) next makes her way to Stormwind uses banshees to decimate the population of Stormwind by using their screams, Raises the Stormwind population into undeath(tying in nicely to the supposed leaked end raid of B.F.A Siege of Stormwind where we have to go in and basically Stratholme 2.0 the city.) Ending with everyone dead and the ships roll into the harbour kicking off next expansion.
best thing would be Forsaken faction, separated from all... "Death to the living".
Sylvanas clearly had a secret power up at some point, there's a dialogue between Jaina, Lor'themar and Thalysra about the kind of magic she used and they say that it's foreign and never seen before
Zyad Hakmi
That power is probably death magic so maybe from Bwonsamdi or even from his master, Hakkar the Soulflayer maybe?
Dat Saurfang glare: I WON, BIATCH!
Nathanos is at Windrunner Spire just before you speak to Sylvanas in the loyalist epilogue. He calls her "my love"
you mean to tell me sylvanas, an evil witch was evil the whole time!? What a twist, what moral greyness.
I loved this conclusion to the war campaign. Very satisfying. One interesting note. During the questing afterwards there is some dialog between Jaina and Thalysra about not recognizing the type of magic that Sylvannas used to kill Saurfang.