Nobbel Explains/ Reacts to Old Soldier "Well played, Blizzard"
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- Woke up to a whole bunch of notifications about a new cinematic for Saurfang. Reaction starts at 6:40. What a beauty this one is and it makes you wonder what else they have planned. No honor, no armor.
Original cinematic: • Cinematic: “Old Soldier”
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That random troll got more screentime than Vol'Jin...
Thats sad and true at the same time haha
Bindair Dundat vol'jin was not da sappyboi
...Oh for fuck's sake he does.
Are people really comparing a meme-character in 1.5 cinematics to one who has been around since the first batch of Warcraft games? Come on, he had little to do in Vanilla+ but screentime in a game like WoW does not equate to cinematics. Vol'Jin has been around for decades and has his own book(s) and central to multiple storylines, as well as a full expansion.
I get that it's a joke but it's been done to death at this point, and I say that as someone who is just as upset that his only inclusion from here on is to appear in spirit-form to conclude the Zandalar storyline and unite them with the Horde. Dead waaaay before his time and I consider it criminal, but no, as much as I like Zappy Boi, he has not had a fraction of Vol's screentime.
Vol’Jin is dead...
Zappyboi, the only living being to have survived a push from Saurfang.
TastyBrush one poke from saurfang is said to destroy any mortal on a molecular level.
Um Anduin in bfa cinematic?
Osuo Official plot armor made so the alli don’t cry about horse bias
Children wear Superman pajamas.
Superman wears Chuck Norris pajamas.
Chuck Norris wears Saurfang pajamas.
And Saurfang doesn’t sleep; he waits.
THAT'S WHY THEY CALL IT MISTER SAURFANG'S ATOMIC POKE!
"Oh give up boy."
"Like you?"
YIKESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Khaled Saleh That troll has balls the size of hot air balloons.
Sicker burn than the entire Night Elf race combined.
He must be a powerful shaman to spit fire like that.
"A son without a father and a father without a son"
Who is this troll? Is he your ward Saurfang?
Genn and anduin
Old warrior, and the new warrior.
The cousin without an uncle, the uncle without a cousin, wait what?
@@alexisnaranjo just two members of the Horde. Saurfang represents what the horde used to be and he remembers that, which is part of why he's so depressed. Zappy boy represents the new Horde and what the Horde COULD be. Saurfang recognizes that there's so much potential for the Horde to be reborn and redeemed from Sylvannas's actions which is why he ultimately changes his mind about claiming his birthright. He knows the young Horde members look up to Him as a hero and a leader, and if he sticks around he just might be able to lead them in the right direction.
i thought varok said "Without honor?" at the end, which i was confused by, but according to the subtitles he actually says "Without armour?" which not only makes more sense but shows a lift in Varok's mood which is a much better ending :)
Ahh, I heard “with our honour”, but I have bad hearing
Actually, if it was "Without Honor?", Zappy Boi could solve the ending by simply saying "So you can restore it once again!"
He said. "Without armor?" He looked at his shoulders.
LOL That makes WAY MORE SENSE.
Yes, i know. I just fantasize about possible alternatives.
It's hard to die a honorable death. But it's even harder to live a honorable life. Saurfang has lost his son... but how many more fathers will lose theirs in this war? He won't return lives of those who have needlessly perished in Teldrassil. But he can still protect lives of other innocents.
In his eyes, Teldrassil was a mistake he can't fix.
But he can still stop future mistakes from happening. And by doing that, prevent other fathers from losing their own sons.
There is nothing honorable about war. Any killing is an inhonorable act. But giving it's World of Warcraft :) i guess one could say Saurfang try to be as honourable as he can
Saurfang is pretty much the embodiment of the Horde's honor at this point, but he cannot simply stop everything Sylvanas is planning to do. However, him willingfully surrendering to the Alliance will have a *huge* impact on the Horde's morale. Many soldiers will start questioning Sylvanas' leadership, making them either follow his example or oppose Banshee's actions.
Except he chooses to live without honor at the end of this cinematic...
Generałek Those who know war are less then willing to start another.
Altrantis He actually said without armor (or armour, whichever you prefer.)
As I said awhile ago today.
Saurfang the true test of honor isn't how you die, it's how you live.
He murdered innocents on Dreanor. Then murdered More innocents in WC1 and WC2. He murdered even more innocents during Cata and now he murdered innocents in Teldreasil and Darkshore.... Saurfang has been bathing in the blood of innocents for what .. 50 years? maby 60 years? He is about as Honerable and Redeamable as Darth Vader!
I'm sure all mass murderers say this to themselves.
Some people might disagree with you, if you use Grom Hellscream as an example
No honor, we need another tree to burn down to prove his honor, or a space ship to invade. :)
The orcs did horrible things in draenor because they were puppets of demons. They were deceived by Gul'dan. During cata they did this because they wanted to expand territory and were obeying warchief's orders (at this time they thought he was not a lunatic). Although I didn't agree with their expansion campaign over the forests, that is their form of living, exploring resources. This time, they were supposed to get one strategically important outpost for alliance. In the end, Sylvanas fucked everything up because... reasons lol.
Saurfang makes the same symbolic gesture, placing and twisting his fist on Zekhan's chest (Zappyboi) as he does to his son's chest.
Saurfang: They will come for us now! All of them!
Sylvanas: Yes! I'm counting on it. The Armys of the Alliance will come for us. And within my fortress, they will face all the terrible creatures i have brought!
Well..We already know how that goes. xD
Just so you know, gathering your entire army together in one place for a push or a siege is consider a huge military mistake, as it has been shown repeatedly throughout history, it solemn ends well, so in all technicality, sylvanas burned the trees wiped out shit ton of the alliance piss down on their morale and made them commit one of the biggest military throughout history
Let them come, Frostmourne hungers...oh wait, they just drained the last bit of energy it had left in Legion.
I miss my Twinblades! ^^
Lady Wanderer why would you think it failed? Because she didn’t kill any “hero” that’s not how you win wars mate,breaking the enemies morale is how you win wars,
This cinematic was SO FUCKING GOOD THOUGH? I'm an alliance player (I play Horde on occasions to see their side of the story, and because of the New Allied races.) but god damn. I have always loved Saurfang and what he stood for. I'M SO EXCITED FOR THIS
I meant BfA and how the rest of the story With Saurfang in the expansion will unfold. Also, thanks for giving me that mental image.
I had to chuckle when zappy boy asked Saurfrang what to do in his first battle and the response was "Don't die". Thats the response people get in LFR when they ask what they need to know lol Couldnt help but think of that
hahahah so cliche, yet so true.
Its the Standartanwer - even in Games like League. When someone ask what to do the usual anwers is "Dont Feed" wich is pretty much the same as Dont Die.
Saurfang will cleave Sylvanas' head off at the end of the expansion
Anduin: "Her fate is not for you alone to decide"
Malfurion: "Let her stand trial in Teldrasil"
LMAO
Hard to have the trial in Teldrassil though since it became the worlds biggest torch.
I hear they used to burn witches at the stake...seems fitting.
If it gets rid of Sylvanas, I'm down for this. Fuck it. Just want that trash character gone.
BT
Jaina:Finish them now!
so when do we get "The Story of Zappy Boi [Lore]" Video Nobbel?
yes please!
Father ded, fought in 3. war with Saurfang, now he has his first fight himself. He is probably just a common troll shaman summoned to war.
Im not common, I be Zappy Boi, mon.
Well soon We will find out, if he is not salughtered on the battlefield he will be a major troll character in the future.
He will be the next Vol'Jin, just wait and see
The Heart of the Horde beats so loudly now. Thanks Zappyboi... thanks Blizzard.
Rest in peace, Dranosh. We will bring glory in your name as well.
Saurfang for Warchief!!
i really wanna see more of Zappyboi in battle, i really loved him in this!
Well Anduin either kills or incapacitates him in the BFA cinematic. I don't think we see his body, and he is a troll so he might regenerate
martinicc67 thats a different troll
Sylvanas almost looks alive when she is in the glow of the world tree. She is basking in death.
looking back on the arc of this expansion, read this. You were... pretty fucking accurate with that one lol
Oooh damn, that gave me chills.
Correction! The troll that gets plowed by Anduin isn't Zappy boi, as is apparent by the fact his hair is grey, not red.
ploughed
I think the scene with Saurfang and his son is taken after his defeat at Icecrown, after Saurfang carries his son away, maybe he lays him down in Icecrown's wastes to say a few words before taking him back to Nagrand.
Yeah that is kinda obvious to me. And he is frozen because he is a death knight living in Icecrown, so ice and such would accumulate on his armor and body and he would not even care since he was already dead.
Btw, Saurfang's armor is all wrong in that scene. :P
His look is a just retcon, as they pretty much took a similar looking armor to the old Tier 1 warrior armor he used to have and change it to a new look that fits more in line with the Horde but still have the iconic jaw guard etc. So storywise he has always been using that armor. Remember that Sylvanas also looked very different back in the day, but she is supposed to have always looked the way she does now.
The story in game will always be a bit flawed compared to how it should truly be and how it is presented via these cinematics. For instance the world itself appears much larger in the cinematics than it does in game. In the game these cities are really tiny compared to how they really are, it is not too scale at all. Just look at how huge Stormwind was in the Warcraft movie, that is how it is supposed to be. A big problem with the burning of the tree was how on earth those catapults was able to shoot across such a great distance. But I guess you just have to go with the flow.
Yeah I was just poking a little fun at the armor, but if they had him wearing the armor from WotLK, that would have been some attention to detail.
In the alliance version of ICC, Varian let's Saurfang come in after the fight to collect the body, saying to make way for a grieving father. Seems like this is just after that but before leaving the zone.
His father is dead. Mother, dead. Wife, dead. Friends, brother, and even his only child. His boy. All dead. But he's still going. Because through all of it, he still lives for the Horde. Except for the moment teldrassil burned. Sylvanas, an undead elf with a nasty attitude that holds none of his values burns the tree down, and he has to wonder if this is what he went to Azeroth for. What he killed innocents in Karabor for. What he built Orgimmar for. What his son died for. And any man would be destroyed by that revelation. Its really really good character development.
Heyitsmewill Bro he has two sons
One was killed in ice crown. Other killed in the war of the ancients fighting Sargeras.
Darren Forsyth Bro that was his BROTHER.
Brox, right? Dranosh was his only son.
Grasshopper! Wow I was 100%sure that brox was his son ill reread the book and back. All the wiki stuff says brother... I apologise. 15 years in and I'm still learning new Lore ha ha
#NoShouldersForOldSoldiers
Come on Varok... Your brother's and son's souls are with you... For the horde!!!!
It's like the brothers of Varok and Broxigar are so monstrously overwhelming in combat that they both have an "Orcish mid-life crisis" in that they suffer from not being granted an orcish death. They're just so good they can't die in a fight plain and simple. Hell, it took a dark titan god to down Broxigar! (Nobbel made a video on this and quite simply his best work)
MisterMan4Twon lol and that dark titan god is now imprisoned. How will Varok ever get his death?
haha very true my friend
"Novel", huh?
Anyway; Varok is a seriously old dude, far beyond any form of "mid-life crisis", but I see your point.
Julian Smit He's going to take out either N'Zoth or Yogg-Saron.
Good morning everybody! Reaction starts at 6:40 because man it had me invested. SO GOOD
But thats you talking after it's done? That's not a reaction.
Your reaction is what you're doing while watching it.
After are your thoughts on what you saw..
how many of these do you think they have made ? just Saurfang you think ?
Man this cinematic had me. Zappyboi so good, and also i think persoanlly the ending where he shows the sons necklace he's trying to say to saurfang live to honor the fallen. Live to honor your son, which makes me think saurfang realises theres more to honor then just die in fair fight and go down in glory
Dranosh was probably so icy because of his time as a death knight. I’m pretty sure the dead don’t feel cold and since he was so high and in such a cold environment it wouldn’t be unusual that some ice would form eventually.
Does he say “with our honour” or “without honour” at the end? (Bad hearing)
i really like that they used a troll for the secondary role here. especially since he's talking about losing his father and the horde being all that's left for him. it just really reminds me of how vol'jin always viewed the horde as family and you get the feeling that that sentiment lives on with young darkspears
Looking forward to more BFA video's Nobbel, following (and enjoying) your video's for years and i hope many years and video's will follow!
Shadowmoon clan paints their faces like this. It makes one DEAD for everyone living. He wants to claim his death. Amasing!!! For the HORDE!!!
Dusan Djordjevic not exactly. True, Saurfang want death on the battlefield, but what he did is not the same as Ner'zhul. What Ner'zhul does is tattoo the picture of the skull on his face, and it is the tradition to mark the failed shaman that they are "dead" from their clan.
Zappy boi saving the Horde!
Zappy boi for Warchief!
More like saving the Alliance from Saurfang.
Zappyboi is now Zappymon
Zappy Boi has some cojones standing up to Saurfang like that. And he is probably only Lvl 5 to 10 with this being his 1st battle and all, he may have just left the Eco Isles.
So he's the one whos been zapping everyone!
Every time a new cinematic is shown, i always look forward to your reviews / reactions to them, well done Nobbel
As I said elsewhere: Saurfang wouldn't be in the polarizing state he's in had Blizzard actually included important details within the game itself rather than putting those details behind a pay wall. In the game it seems as though there's a clear case of character assassination whereas in the novella it really paints a much different picture which is more in line with his character even though they're really pushing the aspect of honor through the roof.
Even this cinematic doesn't really do justice for how pissed he was at Sylvanas when she ordered the burning of Teldrassil. It shows after the fact but we more or less already know where this is going for him.
Their story telling is kind of all over the place.
Saurfang does the exact same pose Thrall does over Grommash's corpse. Saurfang will be the next warchief confirmed.
When Orcs roar over the bodies of the fallen it reminds me of Klingons in Star Trek, they roar to warn the dead that a warrior is coming.
Not exactly- Saurfang holds his son in his arms. Thrall doesn't.
Saurfang should have been warchief for a very long fcking time, still no idea why vol'jin chose sylvanas
andrejoss475 because the old gods were whispering to him not the spirits
I was thinking and I don't think the void lords or old Gods would have wanted for Sylvanas to be Warchief because the three Sisters comic clearly depicted Sylvanas as Alleria's void whisper's enemy. So why would they want to make Death stronger?
is it just me or does azeroth's sun rise in the north?
*looks st map of Azeroth, looks at where UC is..* Huh. You're right.
Omg blizzard learn your astronomy!
The light rises were Anduin commands it to :P
Yea fuck the Sun im my own Sun!
Sanrilas , you are giving me Solaire flashbacks, you monster...
Thank you for making this. Just saw the scene and am wondering more about of the context.
I NEED that burning World Tree image with Sylvanas as an animated desktop background SO BAD
I've had to constantly remind myself that we're seeing small morsels of the story at a time yet they already have the entire arc planned out. This really does reinforce that Blizzard has a plan, they're manipulating feelings... and I love it.
Scottzone whether or not it's a small morsel it's still incredibly lazy storytelling to make Sylvanas the mustache drawing bad guy out of nowhere
They are an old god
horde would find itself again i've never doubted it especially with saurfang there, but i'm still upset about sylvanas being presented in a "chaotic evil raid boss" kind of perspective
she was one of my favourite characters so i just wish that i am among the "many who do not understand" for now
i don't want to accept that her only goal is to destroy life and hope :/
Mad that's not the point along the way we will be losing Sylvanas for no reason other than lazy story writing and they needed another sacrifice in cataclysm Garrosh was an honorable and just war chief and then in Pandaria they shit the bed and turn him into a screaming xenophobic idiot
This is what I've been saying since the Sylvanas episode!
You hit the nail on the head right at the start, Blizzard kept things a secret because they wanted shock value and speculation. BOY did they get it. I have three friends that are resubscribing to WoW because of the warbringer videos. I mean #Sylvanas was trending. Old Soldier is what a lot of Horde players I know needed.
No one went broke underestimating the taste of the public.
It doesn't solve my issue as a horde player that this is again the same crap we did two expansions ago with Garrosh. Its literally the only real meta story the Horde has had since Cata. It might change when it all plays out but that still means I have at least 6 months of following an evil warchief round like a lap dog doing whatever horrific acts she wishes of me or enabling her to do so.
Choosing the side that has a multitude of invasions under its belt has consequences. Unless you main Tauren, I can’t recall a part of their history where they themselves chose to invade another kingdom.
And yes the Alliance has invaded places, the scoreboard for that is rather uneven.
I main Tauren....
Regardless this really isn't what blizzard tells us. They keep talking about greys. They outright said Sylvanas isn't evil at one point in the lead up to BfA. If the horde story has always been about the broken and the fallen rebuilding and re-finding themselves. Hell if this was the first time we had had this plot I probably wouldn't have minded. However this set up is practically what we had with Garrosh. That is just repetitive.
Vol'jin died and Sylvanas because warchief for one reason. So they could have a faction story and effectively make another warchief the villain of the conflict.
Really in warbringers all they had to do was have saurfang go "WARCHIEF!"
and have sylvanas go something like "BURN IT! I'll deal with your treachery later."
Not that much more work they would have had to do
is sylvanas going to another timeline after we beat her in a raid?
god I hope not.
Yeah! And she'll reunite with all of the High Elves and warn them about Arthas before he strikes and they will rise! But knowing Sylvanas, she'd just end up killing her own kin in the end anyway, probably become the Lich Queen and it'd all come full circle after that.
for the iron elves!!
But not iron elves, but wood elves
For real though she is just Garrosh all over again. WoW's writing is terrible.
His son might have been in Frost spec when he died :P
I think if they had revealed this as an in game cinematic that played, for horde only, at the start of the lordaeron scenario...
What Sylvanas did was pretty stupid. She was supposed to be smart and cunning she used to be the ranger general of silvermoon. She could have just occupied teldrasil and blackmailed the alliance that if they attack undercity she’ll burn the tree.
actually sylvanas nearly destroyed the alliance, she burned the tree, the alliance took the bait and then she decimated their army with the blight and nearly killed their whole leadership before the jaina ex machina, all that in only 3 weeks, she's the best warchief we ever had.
No doubt she's a cunning and ruthless strategist, but she's a monster and in time she will destroy the Horde.
When you realised he didnt refer to the soldiers as 'Too many'. *heart squeeze* Like this Saurfang will be the Warchief everyone wants including the Alliance cause he will be so much eadyer to work with!
We named him Dranosh... it means 'Heart of Draenor' in Orcish.
Bysentenial so Garrosh means "Heart of Garror"?
or Garadar.
Or Garroth
Draenor? Orcish? I am no expert but I think Orcs call Dreanor just "The world".
So many newbies in this comment...
I love that they had the foresight to make this a full on cinematic, since it means it'd be impossible for this to be a reactionary addition. It proves that they knew about and planned for the apparent plot hole in the sylvanas video months in advance. Really brings back confidence in their writing.
Purposefully driving a fan favorite into the one-dimensional evil profile? Such writing skills man, so original. Old Soldier was lovely though.
They still messed up sylvanas with that terrible strategic move, but at least the horde isn't all just shrugging and rolling with it.
Screwing up a character isn't as bad as ruining an entire faction.
Sylvanas has been doing evil shit since cataclysm. Since she tossed herself from the ICC onto the spikes made out of saronite. Remember Ashenvale ? How it was destroyed with the plague ? Remember Gilneas ? How she was using the plague after being SPECIFIED not to use it ? How she struck a bargain with Helya, even putting her own heroes in danger, just so she could enslave de Val'kyrs of the Halls of Valor ?
She was evil for a long, long time. And don't get me wrong. I loved her since War3, when she first appeared. But goddam. Stop whining about her "NoT bEiNg EvIl" She is.
+The Welor
When was Ashenvale destroyed with the plague?
Also; the argument is not that she's not evil per se, but that she's not "stupid evil" like a Disney villain would be, committing genocide practically on a whim.
Georgi Mihaylov sylvanas has been evil since the very start of classic, I honestly have no idea how people are shocked by this now. Go watch nixxioms video where he explains this, sylvanas is still sylvanas, nothing changed
I entirely agree Nobble - If you want to capture us geeks/nerds - give us LORE. Give us GOOD, narrative story telling, and they'd have our hearts!
Saurfang is looking hot damn friggin AWESOME!
I like the hand gesture Varok does on Draenosh's chest, and then on zappy boi. I hope we'll get to see more of them together in BFA!
This makes me think that our collective reaction was exactly what Blizzard expected and wanted.
It's pretty obvious now. They did great on achieving their goals, but boy their Sylvanas character development is shit. Sylvanas is supposed to be cold, calculated and strategic, not be driven out of spite from a random Night Elf officer. She could have captured Darnassus and its civilians and there is nothing the Alliance could have done. If they marched on Lordaeron, the Horde could blackmail them by threatening to kill everybody - and there you go, end of the war before it even began.
In the Book u learn that she did it cuz they didnt kill Malfurion not only cuz of the Ranger
In what book?
Ignor it, my Brain mixed it up,i just watched Nobbels Video again and see my Brain is not working.
Gerogi Mihaylov Burning the tree was not the result of a temper tantrum. It was still cold and calculated. It was an extension of her plan which was to demoralize the Alliance by killing Malfurion. Malfurion didn't die, but even if he did, their hope wasn't gonna be destroyed by that act alone. She realized that when Summermoon herself told her so. So yeah, the burning of Teldrassil was decided on a whim, but it certainly wasn't the result of an emotional temper tantrum.
Long live Zap'jin our new Warchief!
EquinoxDrake Zap'pi
Honestly I'm kind of digging your reaction videos. This one and the warbringers sylvanas were pretty cool.
Yes. Was about to say the same !
The Sylvanas one seemed a bit butthurt for me, but had me rolling when he started laughing his ass off at Sylvanas doing the RockstarMove into Arthas's blade xD
Because there is no one as close to the lore as Nobbel so his opinion is actually pretty solid.
Don't forget about the Jaina one! The best video they've released thus far, imo.
waking up to this is the best feelings ever, today is a good day
I want to see the interactions of Anduin and Saurfang after the battle for Lordaeron. I want to know what they talk about and how those conversations go.
well Sourfang kinda assaulted the fuck outa Anduin in the BfA cinematic so I don't think he likes anduin that much
In war, you fight your enemy. Even one you might otherwise respect, or even like.
Being enemies says nothing about any other relationship you might have.
The scene with his son is a memory. Saurfang is still in his current day armor. He is remembering his last moments with his son's body, and the snow, etc., is all symbolic dream scenery.
You're awesome Nobbel! Thanks for you input!
Someone pointed out the parallels between Sylvannas and Saurfang and hit so close to home. Sylvannas had her death robbed from her and so did Saurfang but Sylvannas chooses to try and inflict pain on everyone else and bring everyone down with her yet Saurfang learns from that and becomes stronger/gives him hope. I think this is a good nod as to what Blizzard is trying to portray. Always look forward to your videos and have stayed up just to watch your reaction, thank you so much Nobbel ! Cheers from the west coast of the U.S.
I don't think it's good they portrayed sylvanas like she was 14 years old, a person that old that wise would unlikely take such courses of action confronting past and recent tragedy. They took all what made her a good character (different from what they did with Arthas, wich was an interesting change) and made her a villain so the alliance has an antagonist again. Kind of tired of that story
Um, except that's not Sylvanas' goal at all, she just doesn't care to do it. In her mind, everything she does to other people is a walk in the park compared to what she's gone though, so it's not worth worrying about. Also, Saurfang chooses to give up AND forsake honor, despite the fact he's not burdened with Leadership like Sylvanas is.
Zappy Boy should be the new Troll Leader.
Kasim if he survives the battlefield he will problaby be a future troll leader. We be needin him mon
No we need Budd as he has been a great leader throughout the expansions
Agreed - but let's see him mature and develop his character first. Perhaps he'll be groomed and mentored to lead the Darkspears - then the entire Troll race (maybe he marries Talanji?)
the anduin of the horde?
I think Blizzard said his name is Zekhan. Could be wrong though
"Make sure you know the difference between loyalty and honor.
And pray you never have to choose." - Varok Saurfang
What a great thing they have done. I loved this cinematic as a long time horde player I am stoked.
Such a good cinematic! Blizzard should invest more in making stuff like this related to the lore.
I agree, but these things are freaking expensive to make. Hard to say what Blizzard could even afford without taking a lot of budget away from the actual game.
Joseph Boyd what are you talking about, you realise they are a multi billion company and their expansion budget is massive?
I really hope they develop this troll character!
Robert Casler don't worry, he's a troll so he'll get the vol'jin treatment instead
The last time Blizzard did good characters was Warcraft 3. All WoW does is drag out and ruin those ones.
So Saurfang seems to have given up on Sylvanus, but not on the Horde as a whole. That's what I like to see. Gimme back the Honor Horde!
Alwayz yeah what happend to lok'tar ogar?
Aron Johansson It was never meant to be taken "literally" or at "face value". Even Thrall said that you shouldnt be suicidal over it.
Alwayz yeah....have fun with 8.0 because you're deffinitely gonna have this version of saurfang! yup!......oh god it's stupid
saurfang is a traitor, sylvanas nearly won the war in 3 weeks, she's the warchief we need, only sylvanas can do what needs to be done to stop the alliance, the light and the void. It is time to let go of honor and win
Hakasi the trolls dad has been added to Battle For Azeroth btw. So we will be getting to see some of this troll in the cinematic in-game. He will be found on Vol'dun as Hakasi has been added in 8.0.1 patch.
@Nobbel87 check it out pwease
"there wasn't enough time" remember days when blizz released things not because deadline but when it's ready?
Activision is the reason strict timelines are happening.
Saurfang will be the next warchief.
he's old af, no
he is too tired of all this, and he lost all his honor, so no.
i will never follow the coward who lost his desire to live and just turned himself to the enemy. its total lost of honor, his honor-mania twisted him.
you know what is honor? stay in line with your troups, sacrifice your strength so your army can get through. Sylvana is a leader many oh Horde players didin't deserve. I can not like her character, but she is a great leader.
but thats the thing, he couldn't after what sylvannas did. What she did was not honor and when it comes to orcs, they want to die a warriors death with honor. He was fighting under a banner that just burned hundreds of civilians which is not what the horde is about. and you saying she is a great leader is completely wrong, when you do not care what your soldiers think, and do not think about the impact your decisions will make on your men then you are a bad warchief. Sylvannas didnt give 2 shits about what saurfang felt about burning the tree, or even letting malfurion live. there WAS no honor in the horde after that, saurfang has always wanted a warriors death, and after losing that honor he had to force it himself.
Stormwind will burn when horde rescues saurfang
I always loved how you can hear him speak to a younger Garrosh at Warsong Hold in Borean Tundra. Speaks about honor and the things that still haunt him. I really wish this would have sunk in more with Garrosh but it did for at least a while if you look at the great questline in Stonetalon where Garrosh repeats so much of what he once learned from the old veteran. Thanks for the reaction and, for the true Horde !!!
It's amazing how this fixed so many of the problems I had with the last short
Zappy boi gets me in my feels. I've watched the cinematic a few times and each times I for whatever reason come close to tears. Most cinematics over the years didn't elicit this sort of emotional response from many people, but holy feels trip. They're opposite in the fact that one lost his son and the other his father, and now they're bonding over that fact and it's fucking getting to me man.
I’m not a horde fan and this was awesome.
Joe Murphy so what?
Hermaeus Mora so what this is the coolest thing ever!!!!!
Nobody cares
alliance pig!!
obi juan you can be not a horde fan but not an alliance fan either
Sourfang: They will come for us now all of them
Sylvanas: .... I'm counting on it
Oh lord, THANK YOU for posting this so promptly. I couldnt sleep last night and saw the cinematic. And sure enough, you posted your thoughts right after. I feel slightly more at ease with everything after this cinematic. Again, there's still so much we need to know and understand, but this gave me hope that we WILL receive the answers we're grasping for. Wonderful cinematic
This is what the Warcraft Movie should've looked like I think. 2 hours of this Quality in Cinema. BEAST! just make it Arthas or Sylvanas or Varian or Thralls story or sth else. I would watch 5 of em and pay 2x price.
couldn't agree more! but i wonder a real movie like they made costs more money or an animated one like this? because i think a movie like this one is waaay better.
Here you see the love, in the other Movie you only see the money.
A movie like this would take longer to make and would probably be more expensive but yeah I would love it too.
Why is it so hard to swallow that Sylvannas based on what happened to her during her life and after life that her motivation is just hate? its not lazy storytelling it makes sense just like Jaina is going the same route ( you guys think the alliance wants Jaina becoming a heartless villian? but it makes sense) and it was a small clip of her its not meant to show her motivations or deep feelings just her actions and part of what leds to BFA , we get the storytelling in game or else why even bother playing and instead release a book or movie right? We all knew the horde wont stand behind the actions of Sylvannas even if they stay in the horde for greater reasons.This will come back and bite her in the ass both from Alliance and Horde. Who knows maybe she just wants a release from her torment and hatred became nihilism.
"Fear the Old Man, in a profession where men die young."
3:20
I just fucking love how his mouth twitches ... so subtle and so true and detailed .... also his knuckle hair when he lefts the ashes was so well done ...
The fact Blizzard are capable of quality like this makes how crappy Sylvanas' one is all the more frustrating.
They nail Saurfang here, Sylvanas just looks like she's being emotional in hers and then we find out that isn't the intention in supplemental material that isn't even out yet. Making Sylvanas' motivations look as crappy as they did is just bad, how great this cinematic is or any future material is won't make that Warbringer any better to me. It was just bad, not well played at all.
Also kinda worried we're going to get Garrosh 2.0 - the difference in effort between the two is so staggering that it seems hard not to suspect Blizzards money is on Saurfang, not Sylvanas
The true heart of the Horde still lives! To hell with the corpse queen, I march for Saurfang!
I guess thats what Saurfangs hand on his heart stands for, that he sees there is Honor left in the Horde and he cant just leave like it is now
For Honor, For the TRUE HORDE
Ill fight by Saurfangs side...Together we will find our glorious death!! Lok'tar Ogar!!!!
If the xpac releases i will not wear my shoulders and helmet,
Raven Brown Lok'tar!
The hand gesture Varok gives to dranosh over his chest he later does the same to zappy boy. The feels
The hand motion on the chest Saurafang does to Dranosh and then to zappy boi is so cool. I hope these 2 team up during the expansion and that we could see them learning from each other
5:19 BOI
The slow walk of the old wolf. The wolf who is ready to die alone, thus why he was doffing his armor. You do not need protection when you embrace your death.
he took his armor off cause the alliance wouldnt be able to kill him otherwise. XD
He took off his armour because he wanted to die in a sort of Mak’gora death. Which means no armour just a weapon
So epic, thats the Horde it was when Thrall and even when Garrosh were there. Even Vol'Jin and Blackhand and Doomhammer. Every single one of em had the same ideals that they fight for the Horde. Nowadays we are helping a corpse to ruin it all
The scene with Sylvanas in front of the tree, only watching this video did I finally notice the living night elf hands reaching hopelessly toward Teldrassil. Jesus.
On the day Varok Saurfang becomes Warchief is the day I will give horde a chance and reroll..
I wonder if Blizzard are trying to bring up a warloving side and a peaceloving side in the Horde. As of now, I don't disagree with Sylvanas decisions, I mean, this is not the first time she has destroyed an entire city. Those who prefer to do it more honorably will probably stand with Saurfang but my loyalty is still with Sylvanas, like it always has been.
GARROSH IS BACK FROM THE DEAD IN BANSHEE FORM. NICE WRITING HAVEN'T SEEN DAT BEFORE
Garrosh is Sylvanas the whole time.
Honestly, could Blizzard not just give us an entire Cinematic movie. I understand it'd probably take the same budget as a live action giving the quality of the animation but seriously, that'd be incredible
I don't even play WoW and I'm excited to see how story will develop, mostly thanks to Nobbel amasing way of telling the story.
i think he blames him self for not killing malfurion so silvanas killed everyone in the tree ??
SOO GOOOD AND NEEDED
Every frame of this was incredible.
Good storytelling gets your emotions flowing. Warbringers: Sylvanas is AMAZING storytelling because getting pissed is a great emotion for a subsequent appeasement (in music, we call this tension and resolution; certain notes will clash with what you're expecting to hear and once the "right" notes hit, it's so satisfying!). Blizz did an excellent job getting everyone pissed off about Sylvanas that now that we have Varok's feelings, it's that much better. The fact that this is one of the most beautifully done cinematics Blizz has ever done doesn't hurt, either. The earnest Zappi Boi, Varok's heavy heart, and the smug satisfaction of Sylvanas are some of the best single frames I've ever seen.
Bravo, Blizz.
Zappy boi for warchief! Lol
please yes
Pretty sure Saurfang’s son scene is a dramatization. It definitely looks like he’s wearing DK armor.
10/10 on the cinematic. I’m feeling iffy about the Teldrassil thing not at all being morally grey, but so is everyone else.
Teldrassil burning was NOT morally gray... We all know that, and now it appears that Saurfang knew that also...
That's what I meant. I feel weird about it. I don't think it should have gone down the way it did.
Well he got the body back only after we killed him as a DK but seems weird he just brings him in the middle of nowhere after that
Adrien Romanet - that’s the dramatization bit. I think it’s there to represent his emotions, not the actual event.
Sylvanas is not morally gray - but the expansion as a whole will be (I hope).
The reactions by both Horde and Alliance to what she is doing will be the deciding factor in grayness - what people do as a response to her clearly going down the deep end of morality.
I've heard a lot of people asking why they couldn't make movies or tv shows like this, because this is the true style of WoW. The true Cinematic style is always the best. A great reaction and explanation as always..
I think we all have to swallow our words now. Brilliant writing!
I honestly want to be moved by this but I can't due to what started it. The foundation matters as much as the rest and the current foundation for the new expansion with the way they are going with the Horde being bad once again. Every time they build up a redemption arc for any character or make them seem decent. Such as when Garrosh learned from Saurfang and tossed that commander over the cliff for killing innocents. Blizzard will always undo it in the most mundane ways we have seen a thousand times before. The old gods will corrupt or all development is tossed aside for them to act 100% not like themselves.
Jaina or Greymane were perfect for a new war after all they suffered. Them doing it all behind the scenes and bucking the boy king. All of that could have been an amazing story and let the Alliance even have their own march on Stormwind kinda event later. It would have made sense for them to snap and been an amazing story but instead we get yet another Horde leader going off the rails. You know forgetting how she had that leader in Southshore put down for taking things too far and how after her own death she just wants to live, etc. Now she is generic angry bad 3.0 and it makes me sad.
Darkspear mon ❤️👌🏻
I'm actually glad they left us hanging for a few days. I think it was completely intentional to let us fester in doubt for a bit.
Also, check out Shoulders for Saurfang!
The scene with Sylvanas infront of the Tree I get gosebumps like crazy!
The cinematic was amazing and I admit, I teared up a little, nostalgia hit me. But their writing is just sooo bad.... It's so transparent how they destroyed Sylvanas' character just to introduce Saurfang as the new spotlight hero. I mean before I even finished the trailer, I was thinking "ooooh, that's why..." I have always been a Horde fan, even from the days of warcraft 2. I never liked the Forsaken, never felt like they belonged. Personally, If it was up to me, they would never be part of the Horde, not even mentioning Sylvanas being the warchief. But you gotta respect Sylvanas' character and, since they are part of it, you can't just throw all these years worth of story in the trash bin just for the shake of a shitty plot twist. Let me guess now... By the end of the expansion Suarfang will either sacrifice himself to stop Sylvanas and redeem the Horde or he will do the same but survive and become the new warchief. It's either of these two, it's literally as transparent as any cookie cutter shonen anime lol. Screencap my comment and if im wrong when it's all over, i'll reroll into a freaking Gnome.
I see no reason for why one should "respect Sylvanas' character".
I hate her since she betrayed the remnants of Lordaeron in Warcraft 3. She's just a plotting, double-crossing, undead abomination that gets a free pass because she's a chick in a position of power and the fanboys think she is "hot".
Any moral ambiguity and depth she had died with Arthas, and all we have left is Lich King 2.0.
She was never good, I agree with you, I hated her aswell. But, she was always smart and she wanted to protect her people. There were also moments where she displayed depth, like when she saved Varian. Her going into a genocidal yolo completely contradicts her established personality. They turned her into a cookie-cutter villain who "wants to destroy the world because it hurt her feelings." It's mind-numbingly stupid and cliche. Also let's not forget how this is a gigantic "fuck you" to Vol'jin who used to be one of the most prominent figures of the Horde and the only notable representative character of the Darkspears. They killed him off in an equal manner to sending a useless file into the recycle bin to replace him with her and now they are transforming her into another edgy anime emo villain who will die off for the next warchief. People think the writing favors the Horde. I beg to disagree. The alliance has always been consistent in their leaders and political systems. The Horde has always been exploited to milk the next villain of the week. It actually makes them all look retarded. The Tauren who are so kind and nature-loving, the orcs who are defined by honor and pride...you want me to believe that these races would just follow anyone without question to do whatever crime will be the lore behind the next raid, sure...
I feel sorry for you. Gambling into the alliance, as a gnome no less.
What Spec was Deathbringer Suarfang, Frost or Blood, cuz that it might be mhy he is so frosty.
my fav line in WoW history
Zappi Boi: Live, another day.....
Saurfang: ....Without Armor: lol
Well. There were no specs in WotlK. But yeah, probably put some points in Frost, mostly Blood lul
your right, forgot about that. :)
Deathbringer Saurfang was 100% blood. He used no frost abilities in his fight. Blood Beast, Rune of Blood, Blood Nova, Boiling Blood, Blood Link, Blood Power.
Or he is a Frost that likes the taste of Blood... Sry i show myself the Way out
Fabian Ludwig
What? There totally was specs in wotlk. With talent trees and everything.
Zappyboi is the most human looking troll I’ve ever seen. Great voice acting!
This was a good one. Saurfang is great here. I still remember how meaningful the rp after his son died was. When the Alliance wanted to strike at the Horde, Varian ordered them to stand down and allow Saurfang to grieve his son. Varian was respected by many orcs, not through pretty words, but through acts of honor. We'll have to see if Manduin can live up to his Father.