Nobbel Reacts to: Shadowlands Afterlives: Bastion
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- A delicious new cutscene was dropped today, Shadowlands Afterlives: Bastion. In this video I give you my first reaction and a bit of a deepdive on what they show us!
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"I dearly hope there's a special place in hell waiting for you, Arthas."
*Drops him into a special place in hell*
YAAAAAS!
Arthas did nothing wrong
we may never know, I intend to live for.....boy this is a long fall
@John Nabil Arthas did nothing wrong
And in that special place we could have arthas again so an always win situation for me
Michael McConnohie did a outstanding job voicing Uther for this.
@WANG SILANG Year_15 Yup, he also voices Kel'Thuzad
WANG SILANG Year_15 yee I loved him as Xul
He absolutely killed it, I mean there was so much emotions in the voice acting. So good.
He also voiced the lich king. That’s why in wrath Kel’thuzad got a different voice actor. Blizzard didn’t want to confuse people having him voice 2 major villains.
Yes man , for real....his voice is really awesome
"Remember, Arthas. We are paladins. Vengeance cannot be a part of what we must do."
Uther -2002
I think that’s part of the beauty of this story. Uther was so broken by Arthas’ betrayal that he was willing to forsake even his own principles to get his vengeance. Even the light’s greatest champion has flaws.
Yes, when Uther said that, his soul was still whole. After being killed by Arthas, his soul was split 4:11 That's why he cannot act like his old self.
PrinceVega my thoughts exactly
"Not vengeance... Justice !"
@@PrinceVega Yes, but frostmourne got destroyed by tirion which meant the souls were released so wouldn't that part of uthers soul be brought back to him before he dropped arthas? Could be why he second guessed what he was about to do?
Its possible that Uther's soul is having a varian situation, where there are 2 pieces of him. One that has his paladin convictions that went to the bastion which would explain why he wants justice so bad and why it was yellow and the other blue one which was his compassion and more emotional tendencies. That would explain why in Legion we go visit his tomb and can speak with him. Could it be possible that he still needs to be made whole again like varian?
That would clear up a whole lot of questions raised from this
I mean, this part of Uther's soul has to be redeemed also. He practically helped the Jailer mess up the engine of Death. He needs to atone for that before the reunion happens. Not to mention, his 'good part' is still on Azeroth in his tomb, giving blessings.
There are obviously Two versions. It literally shows you the two different colored souls when arthas sword stabs him
That is my thought as well. The more compassionate side we saw talking to Jaina, in ICC, and at Uther's Tomb vs the half that dropped Arthas into the Maw.
@@Shorkshire once you inhabit an aspirant form your body color changes actually
Does anyone else think its awesome how Uther says in WC3 "I hope there's a special place in hell waiting for you Arthas" and then Uther in Shadowlands literally proceeds to send Arthas into hell himself?
(potential spoilers from datamined stuff)
Yes but after that he hardcore doubts his decision of throwing his soul in there which is part of his storyline in bastion.
@@GRIMHOOD99 Good, becauae Arthas was never in control.
@@GRIMHOOD99 Uther should have went to the maw in my opinion, he and Jaina created Arthas the Licht King
@@lilone7461 well they didnt make him but for sure they helped with that by leaving him all alone against the plague
@@that_invisible_man3460 Arthas took control in the novel Rise of the Lich King. He also killed framed and killed mercenaries that helped him and abandoned Muradin to his death even before he touched frostmourne.
"Sooo...uhhh, cool place you got here." *Whistles and hides Shadowmourne from Bastion folk as a Death Knight*
Don’t forget the blades of the fallen prince too
To be honest they may have seen us walking around in the shadowlands because of our abilities
@@cxfxcdude sadly not an option there. We sacrificed those at the beginning of BfA to heal the land...aka Blizzard took away our cool toys because they couldn't find out anything better to do with them.
How ironic that now the knights of the ebon blade play such a big part in shadowlands (lore wise), even walking in oribos
@@cxfxcdude What do you mean!? Nooothing to see here! *shoves them behind the back *
I love how Uther keeps repeating :
" He was my student"
He was so broken after what Arthas did, those were the only words he could use to describe his pain and sadness.
Arthas really did a number on the world, didn't he? So many of his actions, killing Uther, killing Sylvanas, picking up Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination still have lasting impacts even though he's been gone for like 10 years. I don't think there's a character that has shaped the lore of WoW more than Arthas.
I think Illidan comes close, but he is still a far behind second place to Arthas.
Gul'dan
Gul'dan , Stormrages, Medivh, Thrall .. come on man..
Which is why they aren't going to just have him show up somewhere in the Maw just for fan service. They want to make his appearance be worthy of his legacy and his infamy. I like that they don't want to ruin his story arc like they did to some other beloved characters "cough Garrosh cough."
Well, you can blame many others before Arthas. Ner'zhul for one. After all, he is the reason Arthas became the Lich King.
I wonder if it's possible that, because a piece of his soul was missing, The Arbiter had an incomplete accounting of Uther. Hence the, "I wonder if he was sent here by mistake" line
I actually think the very opposite is true. That Uther really deserves Bastion (and the Arbiter didn't do any mistake), but the piece itself lacked mercy to balance its sense of retribution.
Either way the Uther we saw there wasn't the same Uther who left Arthas at Stratholme
@@C00Cker Might even say the Uther in Bastion is the part of Uther that said "I hope there's a special place in hell waiting for you Arthas".
You need to pay more attention... The reason she said that was because Davos or whatever her name is couldn't understand why Uther was unable to let go and ascend. The reason wasn't due to him being unfit for Bastion, it was because Frostmourne had wounded his soul. Uther as a character in Warcraft is the definition of the selfless and noble paladin. Bastion is designed acording to his image not the other way around.
@@KroVey lol I don't "need" to do anything. It was just guessing/speculation/thinking out loud, relax.
@@laxxboy20 Lmao i smell salt
What I got was that the light DID save part if his soul from imprisonment within Frostmourne but just enough was absorbed by the sword to convince Arthas that Uther was absorbed. Which leads to the question of did the light save Uther's soul to guarantee that Arthas' soul would be cast into the Maw? And in doing so, they started the crack that would lead to the breaking of the machine of death? Did Arthas being put into the maw allow him to conspire with the Jailer to plan the breaking of the machine of death?
I just really hope Blizzard treads carefully with how they play this story out.
I kinda think that uther throwing arthas in the maw without arbiters judgement broke the balance and the machine of death.
Grim Hood The machine of death was broken in Legion, not when Arthas died.
@@shadowgamer4306 well but we know that time in shadowlands works very differently what might be minutes on azeroth might be years in SL and other way around.
Grim Hood It was confirmed that the machine of death got broken during legion not wrath of the lich king PERIOD. So all that time flow talk is irrelevant.
Why would the Light throw someone into the *Shadow* lands when there are imprisoned Naaru inside the Shadowlands and according to quests also "Light incursions". Hardly "saved" his soul.
"Just as the blade rends flesh, so must power scar the spirit." That was on the dais Muradin read and now it makes sense.
"There is no evil here"
"There is no war in Ba-sing-se"
Literally said that as I watched it lol
THATS WHAT I TOUGHT
It's Ba Sing Sae
OO, you were so close to getting the joke perfect by spelling it correctly.
when Devos said welcome to bastion that reminded me of league of legends
I agree with the split-soul theory. I also think it's why Devos sensed something about him and took an interest in something "below her station". Something was *wrong* with Uther; she could feel it. His inability to let go of the mortal plane was because *he was still there* and he yet feels the blade because he is literally inside of it. She's shocked because it shouldn't have been possible. When denied, she gives Uther whatever "justice" (they seem to disagree here) she could when she realizes her Order is wrong about whatever it is that happened to him.
I'm a big fan of both "He was my student" lines. Both had a different emphasis which underlies the feelings Uther has towards Arthas. Such subtle greatness in voice acting and writing.
The first emphasized "student", implying the connection between the two being the thing of importance.
The second emphasized "my", implying some sense of ownership of Arthas' actions as Uther failed in teaching him.
I honestly believe the light split Uthers soul due to his final plea.
Same here, we seemingly see a precedent with Tirion asking for one last blessing and breaking frostmourne, or with Whitemane being canonically being able to resurrect people from death. If you have strong enough faith, the light will answer your call in the most desperate hour.
ThorstenTheViking agreed my friend, the forums though think this implies that frostmourne was nerfed to only take half a persons soul and it’s like. . . Did you even watch the video? lol
Wonder of U doubtful, honestly makes more sense that the light intervened to try and save one of its greatest champions but couldn’t defeat the enchantments of a blade from the maw where the light holds no sway.
Also he was the head of the Order of the Silver Hand, highest ranking paladin, closest to the Light. So who would've been saved by the light but Uther? And as the only one with a "wounded soul" Devos saw the truth.
Fatih let’s not forget all the Paladins bodies that are protected beneath lights hope chapel
When you've been clicking on refresh for two hours waiting just for Nobbel to say "Heeello Everonnnnnne..."
i can feel this comment
agree, after i saw it i hurried into twitch too see if he streamed xD
oh good im not the only one who does this every time a cinematic drops man lol
@@KabukiJava If there is anyone i want to see after something lore related comes out, its Nobbel!
@@golvmoppski is there anyone else?
not going to lie, at the part when Devos says "WHO DID THIS TO YOU" and Uther says "he was my student" that hit me in the emotional dams behind my eyes
The second "He was my student" did too. Like even after everything Arthas did, Uther still regretted not being able to guide him as a paladin.
The voice actor was very good you can hear the pain :(
Uther, I feel so sorry for him. His sadness, his rage, his conflicted feelings.
For a moment, I thought he’d spare Arthas. You could tell in his expression and the way he calls Arthas his student that there was still some affection from when they trained and fought together as paladins. It was a truly beautiful scene, even as his anger overtakes it and leads him to toss him into the maw
@@Marqrk I think he'll go fully into conflict when he finds out that Ner'zhul was the actual mastermind and puppeteer.
@@Marqrk i think that was out of character because in wotlk we see that Uther forgive Arthas for what he has done knowingly he had the best intentions for his people before taking Frostmourne
@@Gandoan but he should already know. In Halls of Reflection he said to Jaina that Arthas was not here and that he was gone long ago
@@kristiyangrigorov5232 That's assuming that the split Holy soul has the same knowledge as the trapped part on Azeroth.
5:00 "You're a loose cannon Devos, you're off the case"
The question what happened with the piece, that was in Frostmourne can easily be answered ( i think). During Legion when we retrieved the Ashbringer we visited Uthers Tomb, where we interacted with his ghost. So in other words; it is possible that this piece of the soul now clings to his remains in his tomb.
NEVER BEEN THIS EXCITED! I've watched this several times now. Oh my god I have so many questions. And that voice acting - 10/10.
2 months. Can't wait.
Same! Although comments on wowhead seem to indicate people are not happy with the October release date. IMO it's fine :)
@@codywhite6337 Well there will be always be those who arent satisfied. I know there is a risk that the game is "incomplete", but personally I'm fine with it. I'm tired of BfA :P
Cody White I’ll take anything WoW related right now, I’m SO tired of BFA. Can’t wait until it launches!
Also so sick of bfa. This looks promising.
@@arongreydanus7668 I enjoyed BFA as an expansion. I thought 8.3 was really cool and interesting. I am looking forward to what comes next and my adventures in the Shadowlands :)
There's something interesting theories going on that I did not thought of. But here it goes.
Notice that in Wrath and all the other interactions we have had with Uther he was always compassionate and kind and forgiving. Even going as far to say that the real arthas is struggling inside. But this one is nothing but retribution and justice. So maybe when the souls split the humaine part of Uther was sucked into frostmourne and the light serving part went to bastion. Which explains why he acts how he acts in Bastion.
Now I haven't seen the beta nor know how Uther acts past this point so if this is wrong just let me know. But that could be an interesting theory.
Again not my theory just one I bummed off of on FB.
Interesting theory, when uther shows devon his wound you get the moment he dies, you see part of his soul sucked up in the sword, and a yellowish soul going up
ok but shouldn't that another part go back to uther when arthas was defeated?
@@managers6667 actually yes but if I understand the lore right for shadowlands these people in Bastion are the one's that take his soul upon death.
However they already did. They probably don't notice the rouge souls roaming around because they already died. Maybe when someone dies they detect it so when Uther and the rest of the souls frostmourne took are still around because these people can't get them?
That sounds like Blizzard logic
@@managers6667 That part seems to be stuck on Azeroth, you can visit him at his Tomb, his spirit is there.
Edit: I've realized that my memory is dumb and it was part of the Paladin Legion Artifact Questline, but he did appear there for it.
I think it is somewhat presumptuous and unfair to call only one part of Uther "Light serving." Rather, both are equally devoted to the Light, but the one in Frostmourne is the forgiving side of this while the other is the more justice-bound side. These two also have very different experiences. The one in Bastion is essentially trapped in the memory of being killed by Arthas, and holding on to the quote in WC3, "I hope there's a special place in Hell for you, Arthas." While the one in Frostmourne is witnessing the inner turmoil of Arthas first hand, and realizes that much of what he has done was at the bidding of the Lich King, and perhaps the Jailor himself.
My thoughts:
1. From the Uther we met in the Halls of Reflection and the Uther we see here, it appears he was split between his empathetic, caring side and his angry, craving justice side. It might be because those were his two dominating thoughts at the moment of his death. Empathy for his student, and justice for what that student has done.
2. This can be a driver for why Devos doubts Uther was meant for Bastion. Because he seems to be bitter and vengeful, and a soul like that isn't meant for Bastion. But the truth is that we are only seeing half of Uther in Bastion. Oh, she sounds *offended* when she sees what has been done to his soul. What great voice acting.
3. Her focus is on vengeance, she keeps insisting that Uther is looking for vengeance, and I have to wonder if she's reflecting.
4. As soon as she said it, I knew Uther would turn down her "vengeance" and replace it with "justice." I've played too much Heroes of the Storm to *not* see that coming. Uther and Tyrael would be great friends.
Uther, by Devos' command, went past the arbiter's judgement, and committed his own judgement on Arthas. I wonder if this will have consequences later.
I think the whole Shadowlands "thing" aka the disruption of the machinery of death IS the consequence. Tossing Arthas who had not been judged into the MAW, which probably made the Jailer enter in action, allowing him to communicate with Sylvannas, allowing him to make a pact with her and so she can use his power and send souls into the Maw directly later on since BFA....
@@josejuanandrade4439 Himm, this could be what started the machine to unravel. Interesting thought.
@@josejuanandrade4439 no, arthas was already using maw power (frostmourne) and that's how she knew something was broken, she recognized the runes
@@perseus1054 The Lich King drew power from the Maw, that is correct. But that would just drain and debilitate the Jailer even more.
Devos recognized the runes, right! And that's why she took the decision of disobey the Archon, empower Uther, and then go against her covenant. Then again, what kickstarted the whole Jailer plan was obviously Arthas being thrown into the Maw.
There is a reazon why they show you this event, and i think is exactly because later on they will make it clear to everybody this particular conflict started. I'm talking the Jailer acting to debilitate the other realms and turn over the actual status quo of the Shadowlands. NOW, the WHY was he imprisioned in the Maw, and the Maw severed from the rest of the Shadowlands and the flow of souls, THAT is another mistery indeed!
I kind of have to agree with Poseidon. For the Legion being able to retrieve Frostmourne and other artifacts from the Maw, something must have gone terribly wrong in the first place.
Arthas : loses his soul, watches trapped inside frostmourne as his evil version kills his father and his people which he loved more than anyone, still fights with the evil side and nerzhul for control, but loses. "Dies" again in his mind, still keeping the scourge at bay from destroying the world. A small portion of his good side escapes and helps players in Icecrown to defeat his evil counterpart. Finally dies and is released from the hell of Frostmourne and Nerzhul.
Uther : Grabs the finally free from frostmourne Arthas after so much suffering and throws him into hell without trial or anything saying "Justice"
Blizzard pls >
Which also begs another question.....is slyvannas' soul also being controlled by the jailer
Don't Blizzard pls me mate, this actually makes perfect fucking sense.
You could see Uther nearly not doing it but Devos egged him on. His regret is well-deserved.
It is sad about Arthas' fate now yeah. But by no means do I believe Blizzard would throw HIM away. Might be able to save and cleanse his and other souls the Jailer has claimed and potentially corrupted.
@@serge2cool My issue is that they are portraying Arthas as 100% evil guy, the reason he is probably the best character they have is because of the tragic fallen hero story. There are books and so much lore we can talk all day and argue if he did nothing wrong or he has his faults. If it is as you say I wont mind. I was dissapointed years ago when Sylvanas killed herself and saw him in hell suffering after WOTLK. They portray Uther in this video blaming Arthas for everything, he didnt have his soul, he was controlled by the Lich King, Uther abandoned him at Stratholme.. That is why I like Jaina we can still see she has regrets she left him at Stratholme, she is the only one that tried to actually save the guy, she knew he kept her locket and so on and so on. I just hope they bring back this duality where Arthas doesnt get the entire blame for not having a soul and being controlled and people pointing at him and saying omg you evil go in hell.
@@CappieBG No, they're playing him like his character. Let's see where this goes.
@@CappieBG I mean, this isn’t being portrayed as a good thing. It’s made very clear that Uther and Devos stepped over a line doing what they just did. Arthas didn’t get a proper judgement.
Sounds like that The Lich King is the "Avatar of the Jailer"
the lich king got the name "jailer of the damned" which is cool.
So, while Uther give me his Tabard of the Lightbringer and says he want to keep a good memory of Arthas, he send him right into the maw at the same time 😅
That was the piece of him that was still stuck on Azeroth, perhaps the ‘blue bit’ of Uther reunites with Bastion Uther and when we meet up with him in Shadowlands (hes back to normal btw when we meet him) hes Whole again
"He was my student" said Uther calmly and lovingly as he yeeted Arthas into the maw in the name of Justice.
Lovely.
wooow when you think about it he really did just yeet him into eternal damnation like it was just another Tuesday XD
That was revenge there’s a difference between revenge and justice
@@emmanuellopez1130 it is justice for all the souls he broke and tortured
@@CodeeXD yet its not for one of his victims to decide. anyway, Arthas gonna be redeemed (to an extent) and i for one fully welcome it.
I like that this animation alone makes it clear the the "Machine of Death is broken" is far more complicated than how many people were speculating. Before it was mostly about Sylvanus' pact, the shattering of the lantern or about the Arbiter being a literal machine of death. This adds a layer of "did the Legion plan for this" when they stole the Domination tier set, or was it just the Nethrazim? Looking forward to Ravendreth's animation now to see how deep into Sire Denathrius' past it goes.
Sylvanas*
Dreadlords playing 64-Dimensional chess
Makes me think Sylvanas was just accelerating an event that would have had to happen anyway. These events are entirely separate from her own actions like you said, but are just as much a cause for concern as it has sewn chaos in an aspect of the Shadowlands steeped heavily in order. A real fel thing to do.
This is Not a Justice This is Pure and Simple Revenge !, And That Path Leads to Downfall of the Light !.
Was wishing for this since I've watched it a few minutes ago, man I should fill in a lottery!
"There is no evil here"
Coming from the people that keep owl slaves!
"There is no evil here" gives the exact same vibe as "There is no war* in Ba Sing Se"
"the Earth King has invited you to Lake Laogai",
My boy arthas looked so calm when they dropped him in the maw.
@Deorc Horc NOW NOW
Does Anyone else think that Sylvanes has a part of her soul somewhere in the shadowlands?
I do i think thats why shes there in the first place to live again
That applies to everyone who died to frostmourne
@@FutayuriShironeko it might not, uther was a paladin and specifically prayed to the light to save his soul which was only able to save half, it might have been due to is dedication and conviction in the light, doubt we will see any other soul taken by frostmourne, seems like the exception rather than the rule
@@alexmag342 This absolutely. The soul splitting is an Uther specific thing because of his connection to the Light.
Another piece of lore they will have to retcon or ignore. In the short story where she kills herself sylvanas remembers back to when she died the first time before being raised again as a banshee. She was in her own heaven for a moment before being yanked back.
Always enjoy watching your content Nobbel and nerding out with you. Your passion and excitement are infectious. You bring positivity into the world, mate!
Arthus is the key to saving the shadowlands and saving Anduin. Their stories are of similar status and tough choices weather others approve or not, as far as how dont ask, but they wouldn't make this cinematic without a plan in mind, and where were at now, maybe that could happen if arthus were rescued from the maw. Just a thought since saving Anduin is going to require help.
Uther YEETS Arthas into the Maw.
OneAboveAll ain’t everyone “dead” in the shadowlands though? Hmm
This explains why everyone that seems to be ressurected become completely different, they turn more edgy and just mean
Especially why Sylvanas became so ruthless.
Stoic
If Arthas had his soul judged fairly, his eventual destination would have probably been the bastion, revendreth, or even maldraxus. Why?
-all he did was to serve his kingdom, his people. All he did was to stop the plague. He picked up frostmourne to slay the biggest threat to his people, the one behind all of the suffering his people had been through. However he made miscalculations in picking up frostmourne, which inevitably mindcontrolled him. From this point on he had to take a backseat when it came to his actions, other powers were now in control of his body. However his soul still tried to resist the foreign powers. His soul still clung to the memory of Jaina, and used all of his power to hold the new entity "the lich king" from releasing the scourge army upon the lands he swore to protect. This is why in my opinion, his soul belonged in bastion if it was fairly judged.
-However he did make mistakes of arrogance when it came to his actions. He was arrogant enough to think he should act alone, and try to stop this grand evil alone by himself. This is a reason why he maybe should have been sent to revendreath to reflect on his mistakes before inevitably joining the Kyrian in the bastion.
-If not the earlier two, he still should have been sent to maldraxus before the maw. If not to serve his people, he did what he did to gain power. His mistakes were made to gain power, in order to save his people. Regardless his own mortal soul that made the decision of picking up frostmourne, didn't do it because he wanted everyone to suffer. He is not an irredeemable soul. His soul was a tragic victim to a foreign power that took over his body to do irredeemable things. The soul of Arthas was not in control when these acts were committed, if anything, his soul tried to resist them.
yep
I think Arthas would end up in Revendreth if he's been judged by the Arbiter
Remember that Arthas gave himself willingly to Frostmourne while being warned by everyone he loved and cared about that his path was a dark one. Muradin TOLD HIM that Frostmourne would take his soul. Arthas didn't care. Not sure if that is so redeemable.
while thats true he like sumerian88 said was warned not to take up the blade before that he framed the mercenaries which led to thier death... not something good lol
He committed far too many atrocities even before becoming the Lich King. The Culling of Stratholme, murdering his father and Uther, the razing of Silvermoon...he willingly took up Frostmourne and then destroyed all he had sworn to protect. Arthas belongs in the 9th Circle of Dante's Inferno with the other betrayers; thus Arthas belongs in The Maw to suffer for all the damage he wrought.
This was such a beautiful cinematic
Everything from the music calling back to Invincible to the line delivery by Uther showing how he’s torn internally on his actions, it was just pure perfection top to bottom. I’m very excited for the rest of them if this is anything to go by.
I imagine it that the Frostmourne and the Light were pulling Uther's soul like two kids and a toy.
Uther's soul ripped in half
Also "there is no war in Ba Sing Se"
They actually continued Arthas' story without retconing anything and now it makes sense when sylvannas tried to suicide she saw Arthas in the dark being tortured he was in the Maw
There is no way Uther could arrive into the shadowlands before Arthas in old lore, since his soul was in frostmourne. so its a huge retcon lol
@@Sharksterfly no its not. One party of his soul will went into the blade. Another party went into the afterlife.
There was no retcon, but there was just added context to what happened to the other part.
@@Sharksterfly His soul was torn in two. Part was trapped in Frostmourne, part was sent to Bastion.
@@mintedcow So what happened to the second half liberated when Frostmourne was shattered?
@@itachiu37 Probably going to find out in the Kyrian storyline plus the part of uther that was in frostmourne actually forgave Arthas its like the light split only uther's hate and rage from his soul
The only correction @Nobbel87 is that when Frostmourne reapes your soul, It takes it whole, but someway Uther saved part of his soul, probably by pleding to that the Light save him, and that is how Arthas and the Lich King plan was unmasked by Davos in the Shadowlands, Uther was the only soul that was "half-reaped".
I honestly think devos circumventing a potent soul like arthas caused the arbitors shut down. Or it allowed the jailer to use a loop hole to strike back. Wasnt it King Menathil who said there must always be a litch king.
The Uther we free from Frostmourne, and the Uther who helps us in Legion as Paladins, is the Uther that was stuck in the blade and kept on Azeroth due to either the Light, or the Bastion lady that broke rank refusing to collect it as it’d turn Uther against her to be restored. So, the other bit is that saving Uther may include a trip to his tomb to collect his other soul. That’s my theory at least.
Uther casting Arthas into The Maw got me way more emotional than i was expecting
My first thought was literally "When he realizes what he's done, it will not be pretty...", as this had nothing to do with justice...
Also made me remember the BEST EVER Blizzard cinematic: "You can not judge me, I am Justice itself!" :D
This short story was just so absolutely awesome, and your reaction to it was really cool. Now I can't wait to see the remaining three episodes, especially the one about Ardenweald.
"What we did to him was not justice, it was vengeance." - Uther (Ascended)
My biggest question after this is "what does this mean for all undead?" When Sylvanas was killed, did a part of her go to the Shadowlands? While what was raised up was just a shadow? Or a piece? what happens if they were every reuninted? or are they "separate" entities now? Bliz has said the Foresaken current story arc is spanning multiple expansions, what kind of blow to their identity would it be to find out their just echoes? Some deep deep shit...if handled right.
If I remember, in the books or somewhere it was suggested Sylvanas temporarily went to an afterlife but Arthas pulled her back into undeath. But she died to Frostmourne, which could suggest that all the souls are ripped in half.
Devos Thunderthighs looks fine AF.
Uther is nice too.
I loved when the Invincible music started to play - something in my eye
I suspect Uther himself will try to get Arthas out of the Maw. Or rather, use the player to do it since you're the Maw-walker.
I mean, we see the Frostmourne part of his soul in Cataclysm. He comes back to his tomb and resides there, giving blessings. So unless he knows that his soul is now split and his ''saved by the Light'' part is in Shadowlands, messing the whole deal and unknowingly helping the Jailer, he is still on Azeroth, in his tomb. Now not to spoil the campaign tidbits but we will have a redemption arc for Bastion half of Uther's soul, definitely. And his Frostmourne part should be involved in that. Maybe on the later patches.
On Sylvanas's case when she's got killed by Arthas, it must be that her spirit (as a whole) has never made it to Shadowlands but has got sucked into the blade.
On Uther's case, light's made his spirit split (so that a part of him could trigger the events we see).
I also think that the armor & helm were made by the Jailer as a part of his grand scheme (them being stolen and ending up on Azeroth to collect souls), what he did not anticipate was this split - otherwise he would have his 'agent', unbeknownst to him, doing Jailer's dirty work on Azeroth, without even needing Sylvanas's help. Remember that he recruited her right after LK's death.
personally i think that the "light" soul that we see is actually an inperfect copy created by the light. That would be why he's so quick to take "justice" into his own hands since it's only that element of him that the light may deem worthy of saving and since it's an inperfect copy he would be missing whole swaths of his mind and what makes Uther, Uther The Paladin
1 question
where is Arthas corpse
we killed him in ICC and left
Sylvanas comes to ICC to find only his armor
so where is his corpse, who took it? and why
His corpse is probably in the Stone Tomb in Stormwind, as it bears the Royal Crest of Lordaeron
Pretty sure varian and jaina took his body and buried jim in stormwind and or theremore as he was the prince of Lorederon
@@tylerjustiss13 most of the time lore talks about every detail. we are talking about the corpse of a Lich King, something big and important like imaging Sylvanas finding his corpse or other necromancers, that's why I always ask this question.
Ninja looters that took care of Deathbringer's will did it again.
It's really interesting how his sould got split in two, so basically the Uther we interacted with in Wrath was the half of his sould trapped in Frostmourne. I was expecting to see Uther go into the Shadowlands after the sword was broken and he was released. Not saying I am dissapointed or anything, I just find it really interesting, so all the souls split in half I guess, or maybe some of them do.
Maybe it is only Uther's soul that was saved by the Light, because he asked for it and served the Light all his life
He prayed to the light right before he died, and the part of his soul that went to the Shadowlands was yellow, so maybe the Light answered his prayer by trying to save his soul from Frostmourne, but instead, it was torn in half.
All these answers are really interesting indeed. Could be his devotion to the Light that saved a part of his soul...
@@tzoanast1061 how could the version of him that wasn't saved still act completely like him, then?
@@labangrankvist2993 I mean, it didnt, the version of Uther trapped in Frostmourne was actually different than the Uther we see in the Shadowlands, he forgave Arthas and chose to keep the memory of him when he was a Paladin, his soul that went into the Shadowlands was influenced by Devos and it seemed to suffer way more. Maybe if Uther was just left alone he would be able to forgive Arthas again but was influenced way too much in Bastion.
I think that the Jailer was using Arthas as a puppet on Azeroth and he also manipulated Sylvanas. He wants to escape the Maw. He needed them to help him.
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Uther: Long lived the king
Arthas : aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh
This was just so good, you can tell that despite Uther wanting justice, he still kind of cared about Arthas. His eyes tear up when she asks him who did that to him, and then he hesitates when he's about to throw him into the Maw. Something tells me Arthas was probably supposed to go into Revendreth or another place, his soul was the first victim of Frostmourne, after all.
There's certainly a difference between Uther and Sylvanas, based on the novel "Rise of the Lich King." Arthas had no intention to raise Uther back, so he just let stabbed Uther (the book said throat btw, not chest O_O) and moved on, didn't care what happened to Uther's soul, although he might've assumed Frostmourne would claim it like many others. Sylvanas, however, Arthas wanted to raise her back, so he probably made sure to bind her whole soul into her bashee form, like how it was depicted in Sylvanas' Warbringer.
I thought the games were basically more Canon than the novels? And in warcraft 3 when we see him die he gets stabbed in the chest doesn't he?
Let's also remember written medium is different than visual. I can see them writing that he was throat stabbed because there's no visual attached but once they need to make an animation? They need to fix that a bit, lol.
I love this series already. This one gave me incredible chills and goosebumps. Awesome work by the cinematic/art team.
Bastion?
Why don't you do what you DREAMED, Bastion?
Call my name!
BASTION, please!
SAVE US!
I know Uther had doubts, because he had to Judge his student who was to him like son, but what if he knew loyality to kingdom and intentions of Arthas before becoming puppet of helmet and rune blade? Its messed up that he judged posessed Arthas, this empty body controlled by sword and evil and he only knew murderer of king and Lich-Arthas, because they parted their ways during purge of Stratholme. Would understanding of situation change viewpoints of Uther and Jaina? After all years passed and not even scarlet crusade cleansed Stratholme... So perhaps best option was to bring citizens earlier death than put them in eternal suffering and brainless ghouls.
@John Nabil Really? Ive always based on WC3 quotes when it comes to this event. Gonna check this book out with pleasure
@@sushionaram The book also has some contradictions that WoW doesn't recognize, some of paladins that show in "King Arthas" mission(which didn't happen in book) show in Blades of Fallen Prince mission, Arthas apparently banished/destroyed/surpressed Ner'zhul and ppl keep saying "Arthas was in full control as Lich King aware of all evil he did", yet Lich King says "ï was once a shaman". So it's not as simple as that, Arthas was prolly only whole after Frostmourne was broken.
It's clear not even game takes the book as some sort of gospel or anything and deviates if necessary for plot sake. Consider both to be about equally canon and keep in mind novel came in 2009, while Wrath of Lich King was year earlier in 2008.
so we have to check on 3 things now:
1- the ability of the light to prevent power of frostmourne (and to an extent, prevent the power of the maw)
2- how kil'jaeden was able to make a deal to borrow some of that power from the maw (maybe the character who forged LK armor and frostmourne is now imprisoned couse he made that deal with kil'jaeden)
and most important i think
3- uther and devos interfere to the usual iter of a soul; arthas' souls, instead of being judged by the arbiter, was stolen (?) by them and thrown into the maw
am I mental? maybe i misunderstood what is the usual iter of a soul (you die, the arbiter judge your soul and then your soul go in one of the areas of the shadowlands according to what the arbiter decided)
(#2 has potencial spoilers if you are not reading datamined stuff)
1. Ashbringer shattered frostmourne so light probably does have power to defy frostmourne
2. Runecarver who very likely made all the LK gear is in the maw in SL so you might be onto something
3. Yes they took arthases soul without any judgement from arbiter and threw it into the maw which against the rules in there.
@@GRIMHOOD99 yes the "3" was actually the first thing nobble said... I wrote my message right after I have seen the blizzard video LoL
1. nice observation I did not thought about ashbringer
2. I know the Runecarver is in the maw, indeed he is chained: maybe punished exactly becouse he crafted those LK gear for Kil'jaeden
OR the runecarver was always been chained and KJ made a pact with the jailer himself
1. Light also negatively affects denizens of Revendreth, so it appears to oppose whole Shadowlands' power
2. did KJ even know the origin of the armor and Frostmourne? There is something off about the Nathrezim
3. potentially caused the whole thing
To be fair, any source of great power seems to be able to subvert some of the Shadowland's power, including that of the Maw. I don't think it's specific to the Light.
Sylvanas broke the Helm of Domination by using what looked to be Banshee strength (in the cinematic it didn't look to be the same purple death magic she used to kill Saurfang which derived from the Maw).
This clip was so good!! Once i started to hear the wotlk music i just instantly did know what moment was coming and what he did see!!! after all those years!!! What an epic idea!!!
that scene of uthers death i wish warcraft 3 reforged if actually did new cutscenes showed something similar. after the fight a cgi cutscene that plays out like that.
It’s kinda poetic. “I dearly hope there’s a special place in Hell waiting for you, Arthas.” In the end, Uther was the one to send Arthas to that Hell
I hope we see how much Garrosh is like his father in terms of having an iron will in Revendreth. Grom wouldn't break, will he?
DAM he better not, Garrosh is badass
Hopefully we team up with Garrosh and murder everyone and everything brutally for hurting him for no reason. Best ending.
I am worried that he wouldn't break so much that he was cast into the Maw. Even at his trial he regretted nothing he had done, and would have done it all again if he had the chance. He truly believed he committed no crimes. But I do hope we actually do see him in Revendreth, maybe still undergoing atonement for his sins, or as a Venthyr but with some distinct markings or something so we can identify him.
@@HavocHounds1988 I know what you mean I doubt he'll go in the maw and maybe he will never atone. Though I do say for his warfare expertise and power mongering he could be judged for Maldraxxus one day.
@dembro Lol, I was thinking his tattoos and piercings.
I've always been a fan of Uther, Arthas and Lordaeron. It's the reason why I always played alliance.
Nobbel87: She’s just gonna drop him into the maw isn’t she?
Uther: Hold my Hammer
Theory: in the trial of the crusade raid, the boy that we meet at the bottom was not Arthas's good side, but rather Arthas himself. When he died and his soul got to frostmourne he tried to resist the lich king but LK took notice of that and discarded him entirely.
Theory ... You did not read Rise of the Lich King novel so do not know Arthas suppressed and destroyed both Nerzul and his own humanity (manifested as a child).
@@sayantanm2 He thought he destroyed Ner'zhul. But in the Blades of the Fallen Prince questline to obtain the Frost Artifact, Ner'zhul is alive inside the blades egging Arthas on. And after Arthas is defeated within the blades, Ner'zhul gets angry and just disappears.
@@HavocHounds1988 so your saying that if nerzhul can reappear after being destroyed arthas' humanity could potentially as well?
@@fdfischer I don't know if his humanity could. I believe the reason Ner'zhul was able to persist after being "killed" is because his soul was not just bound to the helm but also to Frostmourne. So stabbing him with the blade really didn't do anything since he is already part of the blade. Where as Arthas's soul was consumed by Frostmourne not bound to it.
@@HavocHounds1988 Artha's humanity also reappears too but that does not mean it was strong enough to be influential. Also your head canon is not the official stance, the official lore from Chronicles Volume 3 page 171 says Arthas became the dominant personality after nearly destroying Nerzul's spirit.
i was actualy curious about something befor watching this:
did uther get into the shadowlands as he died or when arthas died/frostmourne shattered
but it got answered
well a part of him stayed in frostmourne and the other went into shadowlands.
Take as he has 2 different personalities/Souls. His emotions/normal side was stored in Frostmourne, while his holy/paladin side is in Bastion. So in the cinematic, the Bastion scenes take place after he died, and his interaction takes place from Warcraft 3 to Arthas' death. Makes you wonder how long his soul was in there.
Part of his soul went to the Shadowlands while the other was taken by Frostmourne.
The way I see it the Light intervened to save part of Uther's soul. And that part is the one that is most devout and/or aligned with the Light's ideals. This could be important as it could mean that the Light has intervened in the order of the Shadowlands causing a butterfly effect.
I like how Devos rebuffs Uther and says the darkness was locked in the Maw long ago. I thought she meant Arthas was already sent and that this his soul after freed from Frostmourne, but I think she’s actually referring to the Jailer. Which shows why she’s freaked out when she sees his wounded soul, because as she later notices, his evil is actually running free and unchecked.
Small thing, but thought it was neat.
There's no way Bastion isn't going to be "evil" by the end of this.
I don’t think it’s gonna be evil is gonna be flawed and it’s probably gonna be them accepting it as the story ends
Not pure evil, but I think evil by ignorance, because they are so brain washed into following "the path" they don't have any kind of free will into it.
I’m guessing Arthas will become the new Jailer, and Uther will remain in the Maw with him in penance and because he doesn’t want to leave him again.
Frostmourne completely seals and binds souls to it.
the only reason Uther was saved and went to the Shadowlands was because he plead to the Light.
The only reason he ascended was because Frostmourne was shattered, and his anima was returned under Devos' care,
to be returned once he completed his higher purpose.
The Light answers pleas, The Void answers surrender.
Corruption is a side effect or consequence of Void's involvement.
Vengeance is the side effect of Light's involvement. ( which is why we have evil in the form of Scarlet Crusade able to wield light)
even in the cinematic you can tell that at the end the two halves of uther were rejoined when he shows concern for his student before being egged on by devos to throw his soul into the maw.
nobbel if you remember from adel in warth we are told the light protects its own. so yes the light saved most of the soul. the other tiny part went into the sword. my guess is once the sword was broken it was free to move on and rejoin its main soul.
It makes a lot of sense, Uther at the end of WotLK forgave Arthas yet this Uther wants justice
2 uthers lol watch again
fyi: the russian word for "The Maw" is "Утроба" (utroba). It translates to "womb" in english. Just think about what that could actually mean. Some of differences in translations actually had meanings before like with the preictions of il'gynoth with he/she thingys.
So that measn then re born
I played through Bastion so I know what happens there, but learning how Uther got there in the first place definitely helps fill the gap I was missing.
Thank you Nobbel for always giving the massive spoiler alert for those of use who want to experience it ourselves for the first time. (besides all the amazing lore videos you make)
I wonder what happened to the 2nd part of Uthers soul, since you can see it split in 2 parts 🤔
That's obviously the Uther we see and interact with in Wrath, trapped in Frostmourne. At least thats my guess.
@Invictus_trax Nah, I dont think we have two Uthers, his soul probably got whole again, ofcourse I could be wrong but I really dont think thats the case. We dont see him suffering like he did in the animation at least in the beta where we met him so I will assume for now that his soul is whole since Frostmourne is destroyed. But whats very interesting is, does this go for all souls? Is it random if it splits the sould or not and if yes then what happened for example to Terenas? AAAAH!
I feel like part when Uther's soul is split is really important. His "light" side' face seems featureless comparing to the one sucked into Frostmourne. Maybe Frostmourne sucked part of Uther that made him worthy of Bastion but this broken part went to Bastion itself instead
I have more questions than answers now. The thing I keep coming back to is when Ion said we need to think about why Arthas never unleashed the full might of the Scource on Azeroth. Also is the armor crafter in Torgast the missing lord from Maldraxus? I feel that BFA was the means to get here. And Shadowlands is even more important than we can even imagine for an expanding lore.
I have a feeling in the future we would need to recover the other half of Uther's soul that probably still roamed in Azeroth (I remembered we met his soul at his tomb in Western Plaguelands?) to fully heal and mend Shadowlands Uther's soul again.
Coming back to this, I can't help but feel that it makes sense for Devos to revoke The Path... but I don't totally understand or get why she aligns with the Jailer, as she states in the Spires of Ascension. Never made much sense to me. I don't think she had to align with the Jailer to see the flaw in the Path. She could have been a partially corrupt, but positive catalyst for her people. Instead she was kind of made into a sad pathetic dungeon boss.
hold up, doesn't this mean that part of sylvana's soul is also somewhere in the shadowlands? And the sylvanas we know as the undead banshee is only the part of the soul that frostmourne brought back?
I'm thinking the exact same thing.
Nope..only Uther souls split because of light and Arthas made sylvannas whole soul into banshee 😒
This cinematic confirms that Lich King was actually Jailors puppet. Sylvanas has always, without hesitation, hated the one who killer her and made her into banshee. Now it's confirmed that it was less Arthas and more Jailor. Thus confirming that there's nothing Sylvanas wants more than to destroy Jailor. Makes sense that she no longer wanted to be dead since she learnt who was the one actually at fault.
Yeah, that's a bit too much of a "well it's not his fault" line of thinking. The Jailer didn't make an undead army and sack all of the elven lands, Arthas did. The Jailer didn't rob her of eternal peace when she first died, Arthas did. If you track anyone who ever did something wrong back, you can always pass the buck onto someone else and exonerate anyone of wrong doing. Nobody made Arthas a monster except Arthas.
"Even in Death or Afterlife, Arthas will never find Peace" - now, I'm Wondering what will Jaina do, once she knows that Arthas soul is in the Maw....
for me it's just too shallow how they portray things like the Archon or the prime Narru. i don't have a in-depth thesis on this or anything, it just feels like an angsty teen fan fiction on religious orders because his church growing up didn't approve of his anime choices. *I AM MY SCARS!*
I can see potential for more, also keep up the good work Nobbel.
They are meant to be the opposite of the Void, but necessarily “good” just as the Void isn’t “evil.” Everything they do they because of their nature, which for both the Light and the Void is to “corrupt” in different ways. The Naaru and the Old Gods are just charged with spreading that “corruption.”
I think that the Light (Elune) sent him right into the Bastion to save part of him from the Frostmourne. This way he did NOT stand before the Arbiter and this was the beginning of the crack in the machine of the death. He himself is the glitch in the Shadowlands as this trailer shows.. Damaged, half souls is not suppose to be there. And he sealed it a and broke it fully when they "kidnapped" Arthas.
I’m 100% sure that there are two Uthers, and possibly two souls of every soul that was religious or righteous or whatever faction personally wanted that individuals soul. Every soul taking on the essence of that reason, making me thinking that Uther isn’t the caring and fair Paladin of justice, but will slowly become Judge, jury and executioner with Forsworn influence.
It feels like the Soul/Spirit we interact in the mortal world, (the piece Frostmore took) is more of an Eco, it has a "copy" of his memories and mortal life. While the main soul was sent to the afterlife
Is it still crazy after this to think he wants to save Arthas that a part of him never was done with him? I believe so. Arthas, a character so heavy you cant even imagine. They will not fuck this up they will give him a proper conclusion with Jaina & Anduin .... Yes Anduin. After this Blizzard will be done with Arthas for good. Lets enjoy it together. The only one who truly can judge Arthas is, Azeroth.
The emotional part of Uther forgave Arthas long ago as we learned already back in WotLK. But since that piece of him didn't make it to Bastion with the wounded part of his soul I''m thinking he has a harder time distinguishing vengeance from justice and right from wrong.
I think the location of the wound on the soul is supposed to represent this as it's close to his heart.
Depending on the angle which Frostmourne was thrust in to him it could've hit the heart even at that location on the chest.
And without spoiling why i believe this I'll just say that yea I do believe you are right about him wanting to save Arthas but I would guess we probably have to restore Uther's soul first.
Me and my boyfriend speculated too that the Light might have intertwined the moment his soul was supposed to be claimed by Frostmourne, hence splitting it.
That's exactly what happened.
theycallmebad Niiice. I love that!
Honestly this was beautiful, right up there with the Warbringer for Jaina
I think the piece of Uther that was in Frostmourne stayed on Azeroth, hence why we interact with him in Cataclysm WPL quest and Legion when trying to locate Ashbringer.