One thing you fail to mention is that Dabura wasn't fighting for survival or to kill straight out. He was fighting to cause slow battle damage to revive Buu.
@@SuperbMoves 1. Just because Cell said this, doesn't mean it was true. Cell MOST CERTAINLY is a character that embellishes the truth, ESPECAILLY about his strength. Time and time again Cell is shown to be arrogant and overestimates his own power.... Also, if what he said was true, then why didn't Gohan's attack, which was WAY STRONGER, not destroy the solar system when he defeated cell??? Because if Cell was indeed lauching an attack like that, the one Gohan did would certainly result is damage on that scale, which didn't happen..... 2. Why would he??? What would that achieve? Killing himself and everyone else too??? You're very simple minded. What's the point of launching an attack that will destroy literally everything if you die too... I doubt Dabura can breath in space....(Nor does he want to die). Buu however doesn't fucking care. Dude will sit in the vacuum of space for eternity and be fine.... You guys are batting for Cell so hard that you are being entirely illogical. It's beyond clear that Dabura is superior to Cell at his max power.
@@deckzone3000 Slow damage in the sense of an experienced fighter testing their opponents skills and abilities and then slowly wearing them down before fucking them up. Literally every experienced fighter in the series does this. Add of the caveat that Buu absorbs battle damage to revive and an all-out fight or murdering someone makes absolutely no sense.
He tried to stone Gohan and cut him in half. That’s not slow, that’s instant. If they kill their opponent, they likely just get all their damage/energy right away. But either way, he clearly tried to kill Gohan immediately more than once. He obviously wasn’t holding back
Yes,thank you someone who finally gets that Goku was referring to SPC,and i actually think they’re dead even but Cell wins due to technique,regen and stamina.
In this match despite all the abilities Cell has I still think Dabura would win. His spit alone although you made a good point of Cell self amputating and possibly getting a Zenkai from it, keep in mind Piccolo could've done that too but didn't because 1) It caught him off guard and didn't know & 2) It spreads so fast. So even if Cell could self amputate and regenerate the lost limb That's assuming it would hit his arm or leg. Also, assuming Dabura would give Cell the time to amputate & regenrate which takes time. 3) Once it hit's the chest or face, it's over. I don't think there's any amputation that will be done to those areas and will widespread faster than Cell could understand what's going on.
Vegeta says in frieza saga ( as a reason for why krillin has to put him near death) that you can't get a zenkai from a self inflicting wound. So cell ripping his limb off would be beneficial to him. But I don't think he gets the draw back from regeneration. As frieza noted from nail (when he pulled nails arm off and nail grew a knew one) that nails power greatly diminished after regenerating another arm. So if other than nothing, this could hold cell back.
Hey man...would you like to stream DBZBT3 1v1s anytime soon? +what's with the name change? What happened? (Asking bc. old one was just majestic) Anyhow wish you the best and hope you have a wonderful day man✌️❤️
Yeah def. I’ll reach out on discord! And tbh Neverend was what I originally wanted, but I went with TylerMade. I like both, I just feel like Neverend has more longevity, and goes with my slogan of never giving up! Hope you have a great day too brotha
@@Neverend117Okie doke brotha,I'll be waiting on Discors(sadly can't do that all the timem,but I'd be down whenever I can to beat yo ass again in Tenkaichi 4✌😂❤) Anyhow now I understand...I was only confused af to see the change,but it's fair enough especially if you like it...but TylerMade wasn't bad either,though it's kinda sad that one can't have 2 names tho... Also thanks man and again and forever,best wishes✌❤
I agree with nearly everything you said. One part that you said was completely not true. Because if it were true it would make the power levels and the power scaling of perfect cells super perfect cell Dabura in the Buu arc, false. You cannot in one breath saying go Han lost a considerable amount of power, then make the villain he’s fighting equal to the villain he is no longer stronger than Nora comparable to. Gohan lost over 2/3 of his power double. He is a weakling compared to his cell seven years prior. So then when you say so go on did not train for seven years straight all the power he had or accumulated with Goku in the hyperbolic time chamber he lost out on all of that. And then the only thing he had was nine or 10 days of training with Goten while he wasn’t able to fully train for those nine or 10 days because he had to teach Fidel how to fly so I’m not saying Gohan definitely didn’t get stronger because he did. However he is nothing in comparison to his former self seven years prior. And the reason why the stance through the test of time, is because if you were to have 16 Gohan versus nine year Gohan, nine your Gohan mudstomps his 16 year old self. Why? Go Han stop training for seven years straight. 10 days worth of training can make up for it in that time. But Gohan is not a battle genius he doesn’t know how to get that strong in that short amount of time without guidance or help from a veteran fighter such a Piccolo Goku or even Tienshinhan Yamcha or Krillin. Gohan‘s battle intellect and wisdom is not on par with the veterans I just named. It’s not even close. The only thing Gohan can rely on is his inner potential which equates to his inner rage that boy is over. But it’s not his saving grace every time. Go on became so weak he couldn’t even he probably wasn’t even 1/3 the power level of Perfect Cell.. So whatever rage Boosie got was minimal versus fat boo. That is a testament to how we can go Harvey came due to not training for seven years straight. Go home became a 16 compared to his former self not only that compare to perfect cell answer for perfect sale. It would be a miracle if Gohan was even a strong as a cell Junior. Goku fight and felt the power level of perfect cell. That is the main iteration of cell that he fart and went up against. We can still feel is Paulo from other world. So that’s not here nor there. Goku felt a highly suppressed sell Deborah is not stronger than the former villain of the cell ark. Dabura is equal to heavily Suppressed Perfect Cell. The story narrative says the demon king is not the strongest villain in the third arc. He’s weaker then fat boo. Narratively speaking fat boo shit by emirates intentions and purposes before greater than super perfect cell. Because he is the weakest of the main villains. The demon king is an appetizer if you will. Go Han lost an insurmountable amount of power level from not training for seven years straight. This cannot be understated so with that nobody not even you can say the opposite. Which entails go Hans not that weak from a villain he fights seven years ago and stopped training for the entire seven years. No way no how. You guys upscale Gohan when there is no implication in both the monger and the enemy. And simultaneously you guys refuse to digress him and power level when the story narrative gives as clear evidence that he is weak as water. That’s by us. Gohan stopped training for seven years. He lost an incredible amount of power. There’s no getting around that. Nine or 10 days of training is not gonna make up for that it’s not gonna close the distance. Add further onto that Johan really only got half of that amount of time done training, because he spent time wasted teaching Fidel how to fly.
Saw some bs video saying SP Cell was stronger than teen Gohan. Glad you think he'd beat Cell and Dabura at the same time. It seemed very obvious from Goku's statements. Gohan even injured would win and Goku continued to tell him he's holding back until he didn't and Cell died. Goku was definitely comparing Dabura to SP Cell. Piccolo couldn't stop the spit so idk if Cell could. They seem evenly matched depending on how it goes anyone could win. Not sure how much Dabura was holding back/trying to get energy. I'd still give it to Cell with techniques and self destruct bs zenkai hack potential
In the anime SPC could have completely blown an injured SSJ2 Gohan away so he was like 75% of full power SSJ2 teen Gohan. SPC would have beaten adult Gohan just off skill alone but I think if Gohan would have fought Dabura again Gohan would have gotten the upper hand since Dabura couldn’t really put any real damage on Gohan.
@@SuperbMoves We never really saw full power SSj2 Teen Gohan. He got mad and his rage helped him get 2. Then he played around till Cell injured him. When he was injured he finally let the rest of his power out. Goku had to tell him he had more power. Gohan didn't think he could win. When Gohan let go foreal it was way more than Cell could imagine
@@Paul-tr8bk the reason why SSJ2 teen Gohan didn’t fight with SPC cause it wouldn’t have been a quick fight like everyone thinks no telling what tricks SPC could have used to win and he had instant transmission. Gohan would get the upper hand only to lose it. SPC Zenkai boost was also enough to take out Gohan when before he couldn’t touch him. I agree SPC would have decisively lost the beam struggle if Gohan was 100% but a fight would have been closer than people think. Also Dabura would get beat badly by any SSJ2 his magic was a problem though
Yeah, Super Perfect Cell wins. He's stronger than Dabura. We have to remember that "Adult" Gohan was considerably weaker than "Teen" Gohan because he slacked off over the years.
Dabura fought a weaker but more serious Gohan Cell cheap-shot a stronger but less serious Gohan Dabura has magic, but Cell has regeneration Supreme Kai's mystic techniques proved somewhat impressive against Buu and Goku finds it would make Dabura significantly tougher to deal with him opposed to the spit itself as that's something he already knows about and his own fighting expertise Vegeta before getting the Majin Boost was not questioned in his ability to win by Goku, even though Goku was surprised to see him go SS2 (the intention was to beat Vegeta immediately as one / he didn't know how SS3 would affect his time nor the world since it didn't belong), so "Teen" Gohan compared to Goku & Vegeta was a fair bit weaker than them even then as they're scaling above his rage too. Although Vegeta does bring up Gohan's rage in a future tense way, Gohan's also a lot bigger/physically more developed so he has a higher ki capacity than before despite being weaker under normal circumstances, he was clear that he has surpassed Gohan. Not to say Pre-Majin SS Vegeta > SS2 "Adult" Gohan, but to highlight that SS Vegeta should be within his realm of power to even be a threat/plausible ally against Cell & Dabura before going SS2 to dominate. After all, "Teen" Gohan has less than half his Ki to beat Cell, meaning "Adult" Gohan is hardly half as strong as he was back then. I'd say if it's the manga, Dabura should win with high difficulty since the intentional regeneration Cell does take up ki (for limbs), and Piccolo only survived his body "breaking" because Dabura was killed to Trunks's surprise, BUT if it's the anime, those saiyan genes are going to do a lot of the heavy lifting for him. Which is to say if Dabura spits on Cell in the manga, especially going in blind he's going to constantly nerf himself every time it hits, but in the anime the ideal he has infinite ki among other things are bigger factors that make it a case to where Dabura would need to spit on his face for the most insurance We got to recall Dabura was confident he would win the rematch with Gohan before seeing his power explode (raging out) on Buu's shell, rather than showing a smidge of frustration like past characters. And Dabura was beaten badly enough by Buu for Gohan to try fleeing even with the ideal he may or may not be able to channel his anger again.
in short, in modern db, i'd expect cell to be the clear victor, but had it been written back then i'd expect cell to weaken himself quicker than dabura in any scenario he gets spat on successfully partially due to being naked
@@MegaMachiOnline regardless SPC had enough power to take out a mid variant of SSJ2 when he comes back and says he has enough energy to take out a solar system while perfect Cell couldn’t and also the Dabura that fought buu couldn’t either
🤡 "In daizenshuu..." No one cares what fanfiction has to say. Gohan was only SSJ against Dabura. Super Perfect Cell > Perfect Cell > SSJ Gohan(cell games) > SSJ Gohan(babadi saga) ≈ Dabura
Daizenshu is a literal dragonball encyclopedia of dragonball and even Toriyama mentions it mulptile times which substantiates its credibility. U can’t just clown the statement because it goes against ur argument lol gohan was ssj2 against dabura
@@deckzone3000 “ Toriyama mentioning it means nothing” isn’t an argument lol. Toriyama literally praised the workers on it and says they know more than he does. It’s the main dragonball guide. You’d have to provide evidence like a feat or statement in the manga / anime that proves gohan wasn’t a ssj2 and therefore contradicts the daizenshu
One thing you fail to mention is that Dabura wasn't fighting for survival or to kill straight out. He was fighting to cause slow battle damage to revive Buu.
He was against fat buu and he didn’t use any solar system busting attack like SPC.
@@SuperbMoves 1. Just because Cell said this, doesn't mean it was true. Cell MOST CERTAINLY is a character that embellishes the truth, ESPECAILLY about his strength. Time and time again Cell is shown to be arrogant and overestimates his own power.... Also, if what he said was true, then why didn't Gohan's attack, which was WAY STRONGER, not destroy the solar system when he defeated cell??? Because if Cell was indeed lauching an attack like that, the one Gohan did would certainly result is damage on that scale, which didn't happen.....
2. Why would he???
What would that achieve? Killing himself and everyone else too???
You're very simple minded. What's the point of launching an attack that will destroy literally everything if you die too... I doubt Dabura can breath in space....(Nor does he want to die). Buu however doesn't fucking care. Dude will sit in the vacuum of space for eternity and be fine....
You guys are batting for Cell so hard that you are being entirely illogical. It's beyond clear that Dabura is superior to Cell at his max power.
Slow battle damage? lol Slow, fast, what's the difference?
@@deckzone3000 Slow damage in the sense of an experienced fighter testing their opponents skills and abilities and then slowly wearing them down before fucking them up. Literally every experienced fighter in the series does this. Add of the caveat that Buu absorbs battle damage to revive and an all-out fight or murdering someone makes absolutely no sense.
He tried to stone Gohan and cut him in half. That’s not slow, that’s instant. If they kill their opponent, they likely just get all their damage/energy right away. But either way, he clearly tried to kill Gohan immediately more than once. He obviously wasn’t holding back
Yes,thank you someone who finally gets that Goku was referring to SPC,and i actually think they’re dead even but Cell wins due to technique,regen and stamina.
He wasn't though.
Super Perfect Cell > Perfect Cell > SSJ Gohan(cell games) > SSJ Gohan(babadi saga) ≈ Dabura
In this match despite all the abilities Cell has I still think Dabura would win. His spit alone although you made a good point of Cell self amputating and possibly getting a Zenkai from it, keep in mind Piccolo could've done that too but didn't because
1) It caught him off guard and didn't know
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2) It spreads so fast. So even if Cell could self amputate and regenerate the lost limb That's assuming it would hit his arm or leg. Also, assuming Dabura would give Cell the time to amputate & regenrate which takes time.
3) Once it hit's the chest or face, it's over. I don't think there's any amputation that will be done to those areas and will widespread faster than Cell could understand what's going on.
Vegeta says in frieza saga ( as a reason for why krillin has to put him near death) that you can't get a zenkai from a self inflicting wound. So cell ripping his limb off would be beneficial to him. But I don't think he gets the draw back from regeneration. As frieza noted from nail (when he pulled nails arm off and nail grew a knew one) that nails power greatly diminished after regenerating another arm. So if other than nothing, this could hold cell back.
Hey man...would you like to stream DBZBT3 1v1s anytime soon?
+what's with the name change?
What happened?
(Asking bc. old one was just majestic)
Anyhow wish you the best and hope you have a wonderful day man✌️❤️
Yeah def. I’ll reach out on discord! And tbh Neverend was what I originally wanted, but I went with TylerMade. I like both, I just feel like Neverend has more longevity, and goes with my slogan of never giving up!
Hope you have a great day too brotha
@@Neverend117Okie doke brotha,I'll be waiting on Discors(sadly can't do that all the timem,but I'd be down whenever I can to beat yo ass again in Tenkaichi 4✌😂❤)
Anyhow now I understand...I was only confused af to see the change,but it's fair enough especially if you like it...but TylerMade wasn't bad either,though it's kinda sad that one can't have 2 names tho...
Also thanks man and again and forever,best wishes✌❤
I think Dabra is maybe either as strong, or stronger than Cell. But I’ll go with Dabra, overall.
Super Perfect Cell > Perfect Cell > SSJ Gohan(cell games) > SSJ Gohan(babadi saga) ≈ Dabura
My vote goes to Cell
I agree with nearly everything you said. One part that you said was completely not true. Because if it were true it would make the power levels and the power scaling of perfect cells super perfect cell Dabura in the Buu arc, false.
You cannot in one breath saying go Han lost a considerable amount of power, then make the villain he’s fighting equal to the villain he is no longer stronger than Nora comparable to. Gohan lost over 2/3 of his power double. He is a weakling compared to his cell seven years prior. So then when you say so go on did not train for seven years straight all the power he had or accumulated with Goku in the hyperbolic time chamber he lost out on all of that.
And then the only thing he had was nine or 10 days of training with Goten while he wasn’t able to fully train for those nine or 10 days because he had to teach Fidel how to fly so I’m not saying Gohan definitely didn’t get stronger because he did. However he is nothing in comparison to his former self seven years prior. And the reason why the stance through the test of time, is because if you were to have 16 Gohan versus nine year Gohan, nine your Gohan mudstomps his 16 year old self.
Why? Go Han stop training for seven years straight. 10 days worth of training can make up for it in that time. But Gohan is not a battle genius he doesn’t know how to get that strong in that short amount of time without guidance or help from a veteran fighter such a Piccolo Goku or even Tienshinhan Yamcha or Krillin.
Gohan‘s battle intellect and wisdom is not on par with the veterans I just named. It’s not even close. The only thing Gohan can rely on is his inner potential which equates to his inner rage that boy is over. But it’s not his saving grace every time. Go on became so weak he couldn’t even he probably wasn’t even 1/3 the power level of Perfect Cell.. So whatever rage Boosie got was minimal versus fat boo.
That is a testament to how we can go Harvey came due to not training for seven years straight. Go home became a 16 compared to his former self not only that compare to perfect cell answer for perfect sale. It would be a miracle if Gohan was even a strong as a cell Junior.
Goku fight and felt the power level of perfect cell. That is the main iteration of cell that he fart and went up against. We can still feel is Paulo from other world. So that’s not here nor there. Goku felt a highly suppressed sell Deborah is not stronger than the former villain of the cell ark.
Dabura is equal to heavily Suppressed Perfect Cell. The story narrative says the demon king is not the strongest villain in the third arc. He’s weaker then fat boo. Narratively speaking fat boo shit by emirates intentions and purposes before greater than super perfect cell. Because he is the weakest of the main villains. The demon king is an appetizer if you will.
Go Han lost an insurmountable amount of power level from not training for seven years straight. This cannot be understated so with that nobody not even you can say the opposite. Which entails go Hans not that weak from a villain he fights seven years ago and stopped training for the entire seven years. No way no how. You guys upscale Gohan when there is no implication in both the monger and the enemy. And simultaneously you guys refuse to digress him and power level when the story narrative gives as clear evidence that he is weak as water. That’s by us.
Gohan stopped training for seven years. He lost an incredible amount of power. There’s no getting around that. Nine or 10 days of training is not gonna make up for that it’s not gonna close the distance. Add further onto that Johan really only got half of that amount of time done training, because he spent time wasted teaching Fidel how to fly.
My brain hurts trying to read this
9 or 10 days of training? Didn't he take a month off school to prepare?
Saw some bs video saying SP Cell was stronger than teen Gohan. Glad you think he'd beat Cell and Dabura at the same time. It seemed very obvious from Goku's statements. Gohan even injured would win and Goku continued to tell him he's holding back until he didn't and Cell died. Goku was definitely comparing Dabura to SP Cell. Piccolo couldn't stop the spit so idk if Cell could. They seem evenly matched depending on how it goes anyone could win. Not sure how much Dabura was holding back/trying to get energy. I'd still give it to Cell with techniques and self destruct bs zenkai hack potential
Super Cell and Dabura were about the same power.
That's what I said... thanks for adding nothing to the conversation
In the anime SPC could have completely blown an injured SSJ2 Gohan away so he was like 75% of full power SSJ2 teen Gohan. SPC would have beaten adult Gohan just off skill alone but I think if Gohan would have fought Dabura again Gohan would have gotten the upper hand since Dabura couldn’t really put any real damage on Gohan.
@@SuperbMoves We never really saw full power SSj2 Teen Gohan. He got mad and his rage helped him get 2. Then he played around till Cell injured him. When he was injured he finally let the rest of his power out. Goku had to tell him he had more power. Gohan didn't think he could win. When Gohan let go foreal it was way more than Cell could imagine
@@Paul-tr8bk the reason why SSJ2 teen Gohan didn’t fight with SPC cause it wouldn’t have been a quick fight like everyone thinks no telling what tricks SPC could have used to win and he had instant transmission. Gohan would get the upper hand only to lose it. SPC Zenkai boost was also enough to take out Gohan when before he couldn’t touch him. I agree SPC would have decisively lost the beam struggle if Gohan was 100% but a fight would have been closer than people think. Also Dabura would get beat badly by any SSJ2 his magic was a problem though
Yeah, Super Perfect Cell wins. He's stronger than Dabura.
We have to remember that "Adult" Gohan was considerably weaker than "Teen" Gohan because he slacked off over the years.
@Travis371 Dabura is stronger, I think, according to Goku
Learn what an adult and a teen are before you end up meeting Chris Hansen. 😅
@@LordMalice6d9 Cell is stronger according to Toriyama.
@@deckzone3000 Hahahaha
@@deckzone3000according to Toriyama Ssj2 is Ssj3
Dabura fought a weaker but more serious Gohan
Cell cheap-shot a stronger but less serious Gohan
Dabura has magic, but Cell has regeneration
Supreme Kai's mystic techniques proved somewhat impressive against Buu and Goku finds it would make Dabura significantly tougher to deal with him opposed to the spit itself as that's something he already knows about and his own fighting expertise
Vegeta before getting the Majin Boost was not questioned in his ability to win by Goku, even though Goku was surprised to see him go SS2 (the intention was to beat Vegeta immediately as one / he didn't know how SS3 would affect his time nor the world since it didn't belong), so "Teen" Gohan compared to Goku & Vegeta was a fair bit weaker than them even then as they're scaling above his rage too. Although Vegeta does bring up Gohan's rage in a future tense way, Gohan's also a lot bigger/physically more developed so he has a higher ki capacity than before despite being weaker under normal circumstances, he was clear that he has surpassed Gohan. Not to say Pre-Majin SS Vegeta > SS2 "Adult" Gohan, but to highlight that SS Vegeta should be within his realm of power to even be a threat/plausible ally against Cell & Dabura before going SS2 to dominate.
After all, "Teen" Gohan has less than half his Ki to beat Cell, meaning "Adult" Gohan is hardly half as strong as he was back then.
I'd say if it's the manga, Dabura should win with high difficulty since the intentional regeneration Cell does take up ki (for limbs), and Piccolo only survived his body "breaking" because Dabura was killed to Trunks's surprise, BUT if it's the anime, those saiyan genes are going to do a lot of the heavy lifting for him.
Which is to say if Dabura spits on Cell in the manga, especially going in blind he's going to constantly nerf himself every time it hits, but in the anime the ideal he has infinite ki among other things are bigger factors that make it a case to where Dabura would need to spit on his face for the most insurance
We got to recall Dabura was confident he would win the rematch with Gohan before seeing his power explode (raging out) on Buu's shell, rather than showing a smidge of frustration like past characters. And Dabura was beaten badly enough by Buu for Gohan to try fleeing even with the ideal he may or may not be able to channel his anger again.
in short, in modern db, i'd expect cell to be the clear victor, but had it been written back then i'd expect cell to weaken himself quicker than dabura in any scenario he gets spat on successfully partially due to being naked
@@MegaMachiOnline regardless SPC had enough power to take out a mid variant of SSJ2 when he comes back and says he has enough energy to take out a solar system while perfect Cell couldn’t and also the Dabura that fought buu couldn’t either
@@SuperbMoves Goku & Vegeta > Cell Games Gohan > Gohan >= Dabura & Super Perfect Cell > Perfect Cell > Cell Games Goku
@@MegaMachiOnline yeah but SPC would surely beat Dabura unless he gets spit on.
@@SuperbMoves My initial comment already covers my thoughts on the matchup, win cons included.
Laterz.
Cell also has the multi form technique
🤡 "In daizenshuu..."
No one cares what fanfiction has to say.
Gohan was only SSJ against Dabura.
Super Perfect Cell > Perfect Cell > SSJ Gohan(cell games) > SSJ Gohan(babadi saga) ≈ Dabura
Daizenshu is a literal dragonball encyclopedia of dragonball and even Toriyama mentions it mulptile times which substantiates its credibility. U can’t just clown the statement because it goes against ur argument lol gohan was ssj2 against dabura
@@zubairbaig7617 Encyclopedia of bull💩.
Toriyama mentioning it means nothing.
Gohan was SSJ according to the only canon source, Toriyama's manga.
@@deckzone3000 “ Toriyama mentioning it means nothing” isn’t an argument lol. Toriyama literally praised the workers on it and says they know more than he does. It’s the main dragonball guide. You’d have to provide evidence like a feat or statement in the manga / anime that proves gohan wasn’t a ssj2 and therefore contradicts the daizenshu