Do you think this engine will be a success for Harley-Davidson going forward? Oh by way I pronounced Chassis wrong, yes I know the correct pronunciation, I’m human, I make mistakes. Thanks for watching!
I think it was a great idea to put this engine in an adventure bike. Once the kinks are worked out I could see them spreading it to other chassis. Maybe throw some fins on it to give it that old school look and have it slowly implemented in some of the touring bikes. Going to be tough with all the hate current H-D buyers give when something new comes out.
Give me this engine in a road glide and I’m a happy camper. Keep the styling of the road glide, put this motor in it! Put the radiator in the lowers and keep the road glide how it looks.
I was thinking the same. I'd like more torque though... I thought about more displacement but I think realistically a turbo or supercharger would be awesome.
The Harley Davidson we all knew inthe past is officially dead. Water cooling, lightweight engine, weight reduction...WTF?? If these things ever mattered, I would have bought a Japanese toy bike.
They are entering a very popular market, adventure cruisers. They must match power and performance. I don't think the old style air cooled will go away.
This is all good news! The hydraulic valves is a big plus for me! No expensive valve maintenance for ever! Plus variable cam timing. This engine sure sounds like a winner. I hope it all works out. Time will tell. Fingers Crossed!
HD needs to replace their entire line of engines with maybe even larger displacement revolution max engines for their cruiser and touring frames within the next 5 years. Maybe keep the older air-cooled sportsters for nostalgic reasons and keep releasing special editions
I hope harley gets with the times and makes cool bikes with competitive H.P. and performance. Can't keep making the same old bikes it's killing the brand. And that's coming from a guy who rides a Road King
This, I heard of the story of harley losing money by going to a liquid cooled DOHC and harley fans wanting the brand staying to the traditional fin and pushrod. Eventually leading to harley being more of a brand than motorcycles. I like this and I wish they would release this engine or more liquid cooled DOHC for their other riding styles
@@jeremiahwalker2303 what's killing the brand is the price, not performance. The iron line should not cost near 5 figures. Drop those bikes down to between 7 and 8 grand and they'll fly out of shops.
Harley has had hydraulic lifters in the V twins since the 50s on some model engines with no adjustments needed so this isn't really anything new for them . Most people who build a V twin engine for performance usually get rid of the hydraulic lifters & go solid because you get less valve float and you get more lift out of the cam plus higher RPMs because with hydraulic lifters once the oil thins down from heat you loose some lift plus their is always a slight delay between the hydraulic lifter & push rod to rocker arm & with solids you have none of that but the down fall of solids is more maintenance & if you over rev the engine often times you end up with bent valves or holes in the pistons from the valves smashing into the tops of the pistons especially if you have a ignition that doesn't have a rev limiter built in or an adjustable rev limiter . Looks to be a great engine but looks ugly compared to the air cooled V twins in my opinion . It's too bad Harley pulled out of Super Stock bike drag racing after all the years winning quite a bit using the V rod engine that pushes those bikes to low 7s in the sanctioned 1000 ft drag strip at over 190 mph because I would be curious to see if Harley or Vance & Hines would maybe try to use these engines in this class for racing or not . Supposedly the V rod engines used on the drag bikes are making close to 1000 hp from what I read on race fuel with injected throttle bodies but no other power adders like a turbo blower or nitro or nitrous which is crazy hp for a V twin .
@@RidingintheOzarks I hope so because the only name that's used for the HD drag race bikes are Buell showing on the tanks and I would rather see the name Harley Davidson on the tanks . I also wonder if maybe HD could use this engine in the new flat track bikes as well to at least compete with the Indian that not only stole some of HDs riders but we're smart enough to start engineering testing & building their new flat track bikes before HD did & pretty much has dominated the last few years with it .
It is a maintenance free system, and with a chain instead of pushrods, they will work fine. My '95 pc800 has them and it works great, however I did once swap all of them out in a bmw 316i because of a defect bucket (clack clack clack) and I did see that happen on honda shadows. So maintenance free yes, not problem free. I think the electrically adjusted camshafts will prove more of a reliability issue. We'll just have to wait for 1 or 2 years.
It really looks like they've done their homework designing a platform for the stricter euro emissions. I think we'll see a smaller displacement version of it to help sales in countries with license cc restrictions. I also think we'll see it in a sportster sized chassis for the same reasons.
I had a1992 BMW r100gs. I’ve also had a dyna glide. I often said My perfect bike is a combination of the 2. That is what this is. Good luck with your new bike, I’m putting money aside for one.
I would wait on buying a first year it comes out. I bought a new 2015 street 750. You would not believe there problems it had. The valve covers leaked replaced under warranty. They claimed bad retainer bolts and defective gasket. Steering head bearings in triple tree were not sealed right from factory water got in there locked up steering could not move so rusted and seized replaced whole front assembly under warranty. Two recalls for safety bad fuel pump and rear deflector not to standard. Handle bar controls came apart while riding scary. Another warranty claim. I know the msrp on Pan-America is $17,000 plus starting msrp vs $7,565. Harley hasn't built a all new bike since 2015 and before that 10 plus years. Let's say the engineers forgot how to build a reliable safe bike. Hope you the best of luck with your Pan-America motorcycle 🏍. This was my experience with a all new harley platform motorcycle.
@@paramount10987 Idk those new bmw r1250gs are pretty sweet minus the price tag of course, I have a 06 gs got a good deal on it for 5 grand and it runs great leans nice , couldn't be happier. Then again got lucky , prev owner babied it.
@@lonniecross4698 I meant the 2021 Pan America 1250 with sport tires and hard saddlebags is about the closest thing you're probably going to get from an American motorcycle company making a Sport Touring bike! I personally would rather have the Revolution Max 1250 Sportster S though it's more of a modern Cafe Racer/Bobber style of bike!
@@lonniecross4698 I just watched that reveal for the new H-D Sportster S and I still had it on the brain still, sorry! Yeah Americans don't really make a Sport Touring Bike at all!
its nice for harley to build something thats not just a cosmetic change of the same old stuff.i allways thought the "heritage" they pushed was nonsense.it allowed the worlds bike designers to leave harley in there dust while harley was making updates to ancient designs.congrats to harley for getting out of the 1950's design mentality.they may just survive after all.
At first, when HD introduced this bikes past year, i was sceptical and i laugh at the design... But when this bike get out and all the spec are listed out, i was in aww... Yess, pie on my face...
Yeah it was surprising to see Harley actually make a good engine after so long. An air cooled longitudinally mounted vtwin is likely the worst design of an engine that there is, the cooling is a joke.
I'd say Harley needs to get something in the hottest selling genres right now, and for starters the ADV bikes are at the top of that. Probably naked sports/street bikes would be next. After that, performance bagger/touring machine. A true sports-tourer isn't a hot seller at all and many brands have gotten out of them; bikes such like Concours 14, FJR1300, Ninja 1000SX, H2SX. Gone are ST1300, VFR800/1200, Sprint ST 1050, GSX-1250FA, etc. Now it's 5 different versions of an ADV, old legacy sports-tourers that've been around a long time, sports nakeds, classic/heritage/retro/cafe stuff, and superbikes. Then there's the big tourers with big bags and tons of weight.
As long as the oil changes are easy and the primary chain is gone, and full LED lighting I would like to see a version of this bike bumped up to 1400 and put in a street glide, road king, and heritage classic with no change to the style of the bike, just add a motor. The days of those hot air cooled engines with the loud shifting clunk are gone. Liquid cooling is the way forward to get those hot volcanoes between your legs in check as well as all the unnecessay engine parts like pushrods, pushrod lifters, rocker arms and a big huge left side primary chain rotating in oil using 1950'/1960's technology. Being to old school has hurt HD, technology advancement is everything going forward.
This engine might dig HD out of the grave they've been trying to put themselves in.I really like Harley but they have been shooting their own feet off,lately.Maybe someone on their board of directors finally rode a motorcycle or something :-) Now,get out of the way and let the engineers that finally figured out what Brembo is,how to put two discs on the front and what a radiator is for,do their work. It won't be "traditional" but they have the M8 for that. No reason at all that HD cannot be modern.I love me a Softail but I also love new,badass and exciting.That's why I bought a Diavel 1260 last year when HD was pissing on their own leg with stupid new dealership rules about pricing and demos.They make bikes based on this engine that have the retro look and the modern tech,and learn to sell them,they will take back off like Triumph and Indian did. IMO
It's pronounced Chasie not Chassis I know it's spelled chassis, but that's now how it's pronounced. Could you image how much lighter their other motorcycles would be if they used modern materials? HD needs to come out with a standard motorcycle much batter than their Street series motorcycles.
So this is the motor in the Pan American 150 hp at the crank.Same motor that is in the new 2021 Sportster release de tuned to 121 hp so with a motor that is that adjustable it could be a touring power plant. Zeits is proving himself as a true CEO Putting the aftermarket crate motor companies on the ropes,securing the MoCo as an industry leader pleasing both riders and shareholders. Well played
I know this much when crap goes wrong inside this motor it will be a clusterfuck and will take out all kinds of stuff lets say when a chain breaks inside etc if they were looking for power and reliability they could have kept the old platform and just made a factory 100 ci sportster a little longer swing arm better suspension and that would have been a winner this doesnt sound like a harley and it doesnt look like what all of us who have been riding harleys for years i know there are some people that think its great and its about time but one of the greatest things about harley was its simplicity the sound and america this motor is assembeld here but its not made here also with the epa pushing their climate bullshit and emission nonsense they had to do something with the motors running hotter and hotter just wait until one of these needs work holy hell its going to be expensive
Nicely done brother, I know that engine is putting out the horsepower, but I just don't like the looks of the engine it's self, I'm just ol school I guess lol, it just looks like a plastic motor setting in there 👊🏼😎
I don't think it will be a success with older Riders, Baggers , Road Glides. ,Road Kings and the like but it will probably bring in newer younger riders that don't want the same old thing
sell it as a crate engine and make so its cvt snowmobile clutch version( no tranny) ... 150 hp from 2 cyl that a good power to weight ratio! i can think of engine swaps already!
It seems a perfect fit for an updated version of the sportster and I think that would be a home run for HD! Light weight, inexpensive, EPA compliant, cruiser with modern tech and real performance? Yeah, that makes sense!
@@Bandit-co9xc I am excited to see what the MoCo does with this new engine. After the Sportster changes, I really wanna see a performance bagger with this in it as well as some other updated performance items like Ohlins suspension as well as cutting edge tech.
Put it in the Road King Special and ill get one. Make the 114 the standard engine in the touring chassis bikes and attach the Revolution max with the special models. I think it would be super successful.
I think there will be coming a bagger with a new frame with this engine which will outperform the rest of the market. Also because here in Europe whe have severe rulings
@@RidingintheOzarks nah... the challenger is just a knock off... fit and finish is crap, paint compared to hd is poor and the 131 m8 kills the challenger. To me indian / polaris is a bad copy... they copy more then the chinese do. Not only from HD, but also from bmw, husqvarna...
@@RidingintheOzarks True for some! While I like some of the older models more and think they are awesome and should be there in the lineup forever with little enhancements, these newer, advanced and refined models are a lot appealing too and I am sure there is a growing number whose first and preferred bike would be these newer models though - so, Harley is doing the right thing by stepping up while still reviving the models that brought them glory!
I think it will fail, 1st. When I go into the dealership nobody is exited about everyone calls it an overgrown blast. A couple guys said it's no Ulysses. So if the people selling aren't behind it it's doomed. 2nd it's overpriced I mean if you get all the accessories you've got as much as touring bike invested. If you're going to sell to the target market you need to get in that price range. That being said I can't wait to go ride one next week at my dealer. I hope they expand on this motor and build one for touring bikes.
@@RidingintheOzarks I'm not into the ADV touring. I ride about 20K back road miles a year. "Sporty" touring and seeing new places is my thing. The Pan America could be a replacement for my current ride. A "sport touring" focused bike with that engine... that's what would, no doubt, get my money.
Great engine... high performance, low maintenance that hopefully will prove to be very reliable. They are off to a good start with new innovation in the PA, with HD's new management and vision here's hoping they really branch out and offer more new models to compete in several categories.
It is OK, but I will never buy one..... Can't work/wrench on it without a million dollars (a little exaggeration for max effect - LOL) of tools and diagnostic equipment.... I stopped buying new cars for the same reason......
Lots of great information here. I can’t wait to see this bike in person! I hear a lot of people talk about how much they want one. I hope Harley hits a home run with this one.
Who woulda thought getting rid of the obscene longitudinal air cooled vtwin would be such a success. The design of their engines has been atrocious for the last say, 70 years.
I too would like to see this engine in a sport touring bike, but they don't sell very well in the US market...my favorite bike the R1250Rt is just too expensive to maintain, and the BMW dealer network is terrible! That being said...why not put this engine on the street glide, sounds like they should ASAP!
Maybe someday but that means frame redesign which touring bikes are about do for but it maybe a few years, I expect they want to see how well this engine is accepted...
Change is inevitable. Hope they dont quit making the air cooled 45° v twin . I only say one thing to haters . How many 1947 Hondas do you see still running .
I got mine 3 days ago and already put 800 miles on it. Amazing product from Harley. BTW, it was a trade in on my '17 SGS. Love it, the best bike I ever had, and I had so many.
I'd like to see the 1250 in a Beull type Cafe bike w/ inverted forks and double disks, clubman bars and rear set pegs @ reduced weight. Have a 1200 nightster now so ...!
I'm wondering about the cylinder bores, with the rings riding directly on the aluminum. It may save a little weight and production costs. Reminds me of the Chevrolet Vegas, a very short lived engine. The bike is very complex, it may be too costly to fix down the road, resulting in low trade in value......
BMW has been doing it for years. The Vega was just chrome plated cyl bores. This is much different. It should be good for a 200,000 mile motor. . . . If Harley does it right.
I think all modern engines with so much electronics are costly to fix, I personally don't see this being any worse this most other modern bikes with same tech.
All good info and I applaud Harley for taking this initiative and hope they have nothing but success but I have a few obvious questions from the cheap seats not mentioned in your video: 1) Who was the brain trust behind the engine design? Inhouse Harley/USA, third party engineering like the V-Rod, or? Highly complex engines can have highly complex problems if not engineered correctly and as a potential customer I want more than faith in the bar & shield that they got it right, I want credentials with credibility. When the cheese slides off the cracker the owner gets to hold the bag, especially down the road if problems persist (wouldn't be the first time a manufacturer walks away from a design). 2) Where is it manufactured? Harley leans on their "Made in the USA" title but have shown increasing shifts to leverage global manufacturing (no different than many other manufacturers) and I would want to know whose manufacturing economy my money is supporting. Note: I'm Canadian so I lost out on any outcome of this but I would think this is very dear to their core customers concerns. I haven't read anything about domestic production nor the involvement of an engineering company with a depth of experience in these technologies which makes me wonder. I think it would be nice to know, no matter the answer.
I believe it is mentioned in the Video Harley Davidson just put on RUclips that the Bike is assembled at the York, Pennsylvania, Motor and Transmission is built in Milwaukee. As far as I know this design is inhouse. I haven't seen or heard anything to make me think otherwise.
I’m a KTM and Ducati guy. This 1250 Revolution Max 6 engine seems to be state of the art. The only features I didn’t hear described are vacuum pump evacuation of the crankcase and dry sump oil system. I wonder if these features are included? Of course, a different variant of this engine could include these features. I am impressed and will consider Harley-Davidson in the future.
Hammer has a maxed out build of the evo Sportster making about 130 WHP. This could easily start at 150 engine HP. Ok somebody is going to complain about the sound but that power will sell bikes.
@@vernlochtefeld1626 this is the engine from the vrod, anything they did to make it emissions compliant they could have done to the vrod. Sad day, I would have loved to see the vrod stay and them still expand the lineup into models like this
Looks like a good 21st century engine. HD should have been brave enough to release the Bronx along with the Pan American. Think that would have sold well in Europe. I guess the die hard Harley guys won't buy it though for the same reasons they didn't buy the V rod.
I don’t think existing customers are the target audience and I hope the Bronx will come eventually but a new ceo delayed or cut the Bronx, between Covid and restructuring the company I under the decision regardless of if I like it or not.
I own a Harley and I would buy the Bronx if I had money to buy a second bike . I see no reason not give it a shot especially if it comes with a 1250 . I’ll never sell my 1275cc Sportster of course but I definitely wouldn’t mind having the Bronx next to it in the garage .I’m in my late 40’s
I personally think that this is something Harley has needed to do to stay competitive with the rest of the market. I think they need to keep the bigger bikes air cooled and be more like Indian in their approach. For example, the Chief line has the thunderstroke air cooled mill and then build a lighter bike using the new liquid cooled mill to compete with the scout and then another for rivaling the challenger. Let's face it if they want to stay sport competitive liquid cooled mills allow for greater power figures that are sustainable over greater distances at much higher revs. Indian has a couple of different liquid cooled mills and an air cooled mill. If Harley-Davidson could bring another LCM offering to compete directly with the scout and one for the challenger, I believe they will pull in more of the younger crowds. I do not think they should completely abandon air cooled pushrod engines as it will cause the more die hard enthusiasts to jump ship but they need to offer up designs that will compete with all of the Indian models directly as that is the rivalry that has always been and like in years long past Harley needs to play catch up because Indian is kicking their butts. They need to reconsider the vrod which was in my opinion what the scout was directly competing against.
@@RidingintheOzarks Harley-Davidson has always stayed with if it isn't broke don't fix it when it comes to the designs of their machines and have relied on nostalgia to promote their sales. The V-rod, the street series, and now the Pan-American have been the only true deviations from design cues that have been around since the 50s. The FL has been one of the longest running model designations. It is nice to see some true modernization. The AMF days had Harley-Davidson branded Aerimacchi bikes that served as dual sports and lightweight entry bikes but they were never Harley designs this is Harley collabs with Harley designs which makes it more authentic and appealing.
I have insider information that Harley-Davidson designed the Revolution Max engine however there were other players in the business that got involved (fuel injection, VVT, electronics, exhaust and other engine components) in the development like everyone else but the design is owed by Harley-Davidson. Some may ask is it similar to the Engine that is going in the new Sportster S platform? That engine is a new engine (LaMotta) and technology.
Really according to Harleys Press Release it’s the same basic engine.. different heads and pistons to match the heads combustion chamber, different valve sizes, cam profiles and VVT phasing, different intake and exhaust… I wouldn’t argue it’s a different motor but not different technology…
@@RidingintheOzarks I guess they allowed LaMotta to do some things to it also. If you Google LaMotta you'll see the Sportster S platform but no association with it for some weird reason
Make it a Sportster motor. Classic Sportster styling, staggered tapered mufflers. My favorite. And for god's sake, Harley should offer muffler "options", instead of me buying a bike with mufflers I hate, then replacing the mufflers for $1000.
@Ben Daulton so you claiming the Harley-Davidson Sportster isn't good at handling is that right? How do you explain Harley-Davidson Sportsters winning dirt track races for 50 years?
Harley needs to find another Eric Buell. Bott style frame makes more sense. A few extra ground wires would help electronics on Harleys and older Buells. No idea whats up with Rev engine oil pressures. The electronics remind me of problematic V.A.T. systems on Gm's. Can't they just put a resistor in to bypass the stupid? Seems like this engine should of been made 14 years ago. Reminds me of the Buell 1125. The Harley engineers forgot to keep it simple stupid.
@@RidingintheOzarks the HP is great ! Lol but it will meet more displacement to bring up the torque for a heavier bike like a bagger. So I could see 160HP 135lbsft
@@spiritofthewolf15x yes I have a 114 with a stage lll so I know all about the M8. Can you imagine what a larger version of this engine would produce in HP and Tq? 175HP 150tq?
Harley still making engine covers from magnesium in 2021? Wow. All the other manufacturers figured out that was a bad idea like 40 years ago. It burns if you try to weld it, and isn't as strong as aluminum. Really a shame.
Yet HD is most popular Brand in the US... just cause it isn't what you want doesn't make it awful...I am all for HD offering more and different Motorcycles. Are Honda VTX motors antique and awful too?
Old time HD riders don't like it... I am an old rider and I like it. I want HD to put a reliable water cooled engine in their baggers. Air cooled technology is old school with its inheritent problems. Air cooled engines run too hot, which shortens the life of the engine. Remember the flat 4 engines in old VW vehicles? You were lucky to get 40,000 miles before a rebuild was necessary. Modern water cooled engines can go 300,000 miles if properly mantained. Indian is on the right track. It is my opinion that HD needs to head in the same direction.
Pan America a shaft driven low seat height adventure motorcycle that doesn't require valve adjustment motorcycle 🌟 HD earned many riders hearth with this bike. Others should take notes. I would really like the see HD to come up with a Middle Weight ADV motorcycle. With a smaller version of the same engine.
It is a sharp looking engine design... no doubt. Let us see how this engine pans out in a new years. I believe HD will be making a version of this engine for their touring bikes in the near future. Many of us want reliability and longevity. Our air cooled engines suffer from overheating, which requires expensive upgrades to tackle. Time will tell. I highly recommend never buying any new HD design until the bugs are ironed out. Look at the nightmares with the 17-19 M8s. Excessive oil consumption, sumping, etc...
I would like to see that motor in a smaller stripped down platform that would inspire the chop culture of the American garage junkies to build some insane bikes. I see lots of possibilities here.
You missed one of the main things, the newly designed crank! Not only is it completely different, but it's one of the main reasons this engine can now spin 9000+ rpm.
I would like to see the Bronx with the full power 1250 with 150hp. A true naked sport bike. Keep the electronic controls of the PA out. Just deliver a balls out naked sport machine at a reasonable price. Somewhere in the next two years a sport touring model (150 hp) designed to look some what along the lines of the Buell S3T Thunderbolt. I would be first in line at my dealer for one.
I have one and on the road the Pan Am is awesome. Off-road, the engine and chasis doesn’t match up the best. Power is great, but it’s heavy. And the chasis doesn’t catch up with the engine very well. Definitely need knobby tires off-road. Harleys stock tires are horrible off-road. 👍
They are still saying cruser. When the sportster came out in 1957 it was not called a cruiser. It was built to compete with the the sport bikes that were coming out of the UK. Triumph, Norton and BSA were the machines to beat in any street race if you wanted to be cool, and HD delivered with the Sportster. And none of those bikes back then were called cruisers, just like you would not call the current crop of sport bikes cruisers. So what does Harley do ? They make a competitive engine, charge to much, and talk about using it to build a cruiser. They are no longer innovative, like an old HD mechanic told me years ago, "an HD engineer has not had an original thought since 1957.
Please fill 91 octane 😣 it's giving linear throttle response as bonus to reliability. Don't bite on shit like it's winter, it's having a knock sensor, the high torque range would eat anything: coils followed by misfire under load, compression rings, valve's oil rings, rod bearing, deposits and burns, will cause vibrations, etc.
H-D will sell loads of this Bike., I wish them the Best...But I'm always one to wait 2-3 years to get all the Bugs, recalls, gremlins and improvements and then perhaps I'll think about trading my 2021 GS-1250
@@elithegreat6463 My buddy is going try talk BMW dealer into let me do a demo... problem is I am now booked every weekend till July probably not going happen for a while unless I take a day off work or come down sick one day LOL
If Harley used more aluminum and carbon fiber they could use this in their larger baggers as you would not need as much torque off the line. Making the engine part of the frame on their touring bikes would bring the weight down.
Do you think this engine will be a success for Harley-Davidson going forward? Oh by way I pronounced Chassis wrong, yes I know the correct pronunciation, I’m human, I make mistakes. Thanks for watching!
I think it was a great idea to put this engine in an adventure bike. Once the kinks are worked out I could see them spreading it to other chassis. Maybe throw some fins on it to give it that old school look and have it slowly implemented in some of the touring bikes. Going to be tough with all the hate current H-D buyers give when something new comes out.
Yes.
There is some great technology and innovation in this engine. I know this is a step in the right direction.
It’s the base engine which they will evolve a new set of bikes. The future custom (Nightster?) with the same engine will be a beast
I own a broad ,so love the upgrade and 6 th speed transmission and sport touring would take me away from bmw
“Chassis” is pronounced “CHAH-see” is the USA and ‘SHAH-see” in the UK. In neither case are the esses at the end pronounced.
Literally had to walk away from this video a minute in because that was driving me crazy
@@nicholaslane7063 its because the French somehow mispronounced Latin "capsa" for centuries
Top comment right here. OK, I have to check the oven, my Hore Deevors are done.
This is a super Midwest thing to do. So unexposed to anything but the words on paper ans not spoken out loud
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Give me this engine in a road glide and I’m a happy camper. Keep the styling of the road glide, put this motor in it! Put the radiator in the lowers and keep the road glide how it looks.
My thoughts exactly, how cool that would be, it's the future I'm sure
I was thinking the same. I'd like more torque though... I thought about more displacement but I think realistically a turbo or supercharger would be awesome.
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I bet eventually they will...with Indians challenger and European EPA standards the time for the air cooled engine is quickly dwindling
Give me a 103 Revolution Max Sportglide!...
Bring back the BRONX!!!
Glad to see Harley building a modern engine again. To expensive for me but i hope it's successful. And reliable.
The Harley Davidson we all knew inthe past is officially dead. Water cooling, lightweight engine, weight reduction...WTF?? If these things ever mattered, I would have bought a Japanese toy bike.
They are entering a very popular market, adventure cruisers. They must match power and performance. I don't think the old style air cooled will go away.
This is all good news! The hydraulic valves is a big plus for me! No expensive valve maintenance for ever! Plus variable cam timing. This engine sure sounds like a winner. I hope it all works out. Time will tell. Fingers Crossed!
HD needs to replace their entire line of engines with maybe even larger displacement revolution max engines for their cruiser and touring frames within the next 5 years. Maybe keep the older air-cooled sportsters for nostalgic reasons and keep releasing special editions
I’d like to see a new Vrod ☺️
I do hope Harley is successful with it but I hope the keep more traditional engines and bikes in the US market.
THey pateneted an air cooled motor with VVT last year. I expect it to be the next engine for the traditional bikes.
I hope harley gets with the times and makes cool bikes with competitive H.P. and performance. Can't keep making the same old bikes it's killing the brand. And that's coming from a guy who rides a Road King
This, I heard of the story of harley losing money by going to a liquid cooled DOHC and harley fans wanting the brand staying to the traditional fin and pushrod. Eventually leading to harley being more of a brand than motorcycles. I like this and I wish they would release this engine or more liquid cooled DOHC for their other riding styles
@@jeremiahwalker2303 what's killing the brand is the price, not performance.
The iron line should not cost near 5 figures. Drop those bikes down to between 7 and 8 grand and they'll fly out of shops.
They need to quit caring what you old heads want. Get your trike, and let me have my pan America
I like the fact that it has hydraulic valve lash Adjusters. Real world reliability, ease of maintenance, and cost of maintenance will be seen in time.
Agree but if it performs as well as it looks on paper it should be a plus!
Harley has had hydraulic lifters in the V twins since the 50s on some model engines with no adjustments needed so this isn't really anything new for them . Most people who build a V twin engine for performance usually get rid of the hydraulic lifters & go solid because you get less valve float and you get more lift out of the cam plus higher RPMs because with hydraulic lifters once the oil thins down from heat you loose some lift plus their is always a slight delay between the hydraulic lifter & push rod to rocker arm & with solids you have none of that but the down fall of solids is more maintenance & if you over rev the engine often times you end up with bent valves or holes in the pistons from the valves smashing into the tops of the pistons especially if you have a ignition that doesn't have a rev limiter built in or an adjustable rev limiter . Looks to be a great engine but looks ugly compared to the air cooled V twins in my opinion . It's too bad Harley pulled out of Super Stock bike drag racing after all the years winning quite a bit using the V rod engine that pushes those bikes to low 7s in the sanctioned 1000 ft drag strip at over 190 mph because I would be curious to see if Harley or Vance & Hines would maybe try to use these engines in this class for racing or not . Supposedly the V rod engines used on the drag bikes are making close to 1000 hp from what I read on race fuel with injected throttle bodies but no other power adders like a turbo blower or nitro or nitrous which is crazy hp for a V twin .
@@peteloomis8456 I am wondering if they won’t get back into drag racing after they get this engine out in the custom 1250...
@@RidingintheOzarks I hope so because the only name that's used for the HD drag race bikes are Buell showing on the tanks and I would rather see the name Harley Davidson on the tanks . I also wonder if maybe HD could use this engine in the new flat track bikes as well to at least compete with the Indian that not only stole some of HDs riders but we're smart enough to start engineering testing & building their new flat track bikes before HD did & pretty much has dominated the last few years with it .
It is a maintenance free system, and with a chain instead of pushrods, they will work fine. My '95 pc800 has them and it works great, however I did once swap all of them out in a bmw 316i because of a defect bucket (clack clack clack) and I did see that happen on honda shadows. So maintenance free yes, not problem free. I think the electrically adjusted camshafts will prove more of a reliability issue. We'll just have to wait for 1 or 2 years.
It really looks like they've done their homework designing a platform for the stricter euro emissions. I think we'll see a smaller displacement version of it to help sales in countries with license cc restrictions. I also think we'll see it in a sportster sized chassis for the same reasons.
I sure hope sooner than late!
I believe that '20 was the last year of the sportster in Europe. So they have some catching up to do already.
This engine in a road king would be awesome really.. a 1650 or so would be great..
This is a game changer for HD. I get mine in May. I already have all my accessories in the garage.
Awesome now that’s is enthusiastic!!
I had a1992 BMW r100gs. I’ve also had a dyna glide. I often said My perfect bike is a combination of the 2. That is what this is. Good luck with your new bike, I’m putting money aside for one.
I would wait on buying a first year it comes out. I bought a new 2015 street 750. You would not believe there problems it had. The valve covers leaked replaced under warranty. They claimed bad retainer bolts and defective gasket. Steering head bearings in triple tree were not sealed right from factory water got in there locked up steering could not move so rusted and seized replaced whole front assembly under warranty. Two recalls for safety bad fuel pump and rear deflector not to standard. Handle bar controls came apart while riding scary. Another warranty claim. I know the msrp on Pan-America is $17,000 plus starting msrp vs $7,565. Harley hasn't built a all new bike since 2015 and before that 10 plus years. Let's say the engineers forgot how to build a reliable safe bike. Hope you the best of luck with your Pan-America motorcycle 🏍. This was my experience with a all new harley platform motorcycle.
@@paramount10987 Idk those new bmw r1250gs are pretty sweet minus the price tag of course, I have a 06 gs got a good deal on it for 5 grand and it runs great leans nice , couldn't be happier. Then again got lucky , prev owner babied it.
🤣🤣🤣🤣have fun w that🤣🤣🤣🤣
I want to see this engine in a sport touring bike.
It already is, check out the new H-D Revolution Max 1250cc. Sportster S!
@@RollingArtDesigns that’s cool but it’s in no way, shape, or form a sport tourer.
@@lonniecross4698 I meant the 2021 Pan America 1250 with sport tires and hard saddlebags is about the closest thing you're probably going to get from an American motorcycle company making a Sport Touring bike! I personally would rather have the Revolution Max 1250 Sportster S though it's more of a modern Cafe Racer/Bobber style of bike!
@@lonniecross4698 I just watched that reveal for the new H-D Sportster S and I still had it on the brain still, sorry! Yeah Americans don't really make a Sport Touring Bike at all!
its nice for harley to build something thats not just a cosmetic change of the same old stuff.i allways thought the "heritage" they pushed was nonsense.it allowed the worlds bike designers to leave harley in there dust while harley was making updates to ancient designs.congrats to harley for getting out of the 1950's design mentality.they may just survive after all.
At first, when HD introduced this bikes past year, i was sceptical and i laugh at the design... But when this bike get out and all the spec are listed out, i was in aww... Yess, pie on my face...
Yeah it was surprising to see Harley actually make a good engine after so long. An air cooled longitudinally mounted vtwin is likely the worst design of an engine that there is, the cooling is a joke.
I'd say Harley needs to get something in the hottest selling genres right now, and for starters the ADV bikes are at the top of that. Probably naked sports/street bikes would be next. After that, performance bagger/touring machine. A true sports-tourer isn't a hot seller at all and many brands have gotten out of them; bikes such like Concours 14, FJR1300, Ninja 1000SX, H2SX. Gone are ST1300, VFR800/1200, Sprint ST 1050, GSX-1250FA, etc. Now it's 5 different versions of an ADV, old legacy sports-tourers that've been around a long time, sports nakeds, classic/heritage/retro/cafe stuff, and superbikes. Then there's the big tourers with big bags and tons of weight.
Good overview of the new engine. Keep up the good work. I’m enjoying your content.
Thanks Steve, I appreciate the support!
As long as the oil changes are easy and the primary chain is gone, and full LED lighting I would like to see a version of this bike bumped up to 1400 and put in a street glide, road king, and heritage classic with no change to the style of the bike, just add a motor. The days of those hot air cooled engines with the loud shifting clunk are gone. Liquid cooling is the way forward to get those hot volcanoes between your legs in check as well as all the unnecessay engine parts like pushrods, pushrod lifters, rocker arms and a big huge left side primary chain rotating in oil using 1950'/1960's technology. Being to old school has hurt HD, technology advancement is everything going forward.
I hope they sell a million of them.
me too! It is great for the sport!
This engine might dig HD out of the grave they've been trying to put themselves in.I really like Harley but they have been shooting their own feet off,lately.Maybe someone on their board of directors finally rode a motorcycle or something :-) Now,get out of the way and let the engineers that finally figured out what Brembo is,how to put two discs on the front and what a radiator is for,do their work. It won't be "traditional" but they have the M8 for that. No reason at all that HD cannot be modern.I love me a Softail but I also love new,badass and exciting.That's why I bought a Diavel 1260 last year when HD was pissing on their own leg with stupid new dealership rules about pricing and demos.They make bikes based on this engine that have the retro look and the modern tech,and learn to sell them,they will take back off like Triumph and Indian did. IMO
It's pronounced Chasie not Chassis I know it's spelled chassis, but that's now how it's pronounced.
Could you image how much lighter their other motorcycles would be if they used modern materials?
HD needs to come out with a standard motorcycle much batter than their Street series motorcycles.
So this is the motor in the Pan American 150 hp at the crank.Same motor that is in the new 2021 Sportster release de tuned to 121 hp so with a motor that is that adjustable it could be a touring power plant. Zeits is proving himself as a true CEO Putting the aftermarket crate motor companies on the ropes,securing the MoCo as an industry leader pleasing both riders and shareholders. Well played
I know this much when crap goes wrong inside this motor it will be a clusterfuck and will take out all kinds of stuff lets say when a chain breaks inside etc if they were looking for power and reliability they could have kept the old platform and just made a factory 100 ci sportster a little longer swing arm better suspension and that would have been a winner this doesnt sound like a harley and it doesnt look like what all of us who have been riding harleys for years i know there are some people that think its great and its about time but one of the greatest things about harley was its simplicity the sound and america this motor is assembeld here but its not made here also with the epa pushing their climate bullshit and emission nonsense they had to do something with the motors running hotter and hotter just wait until one of these needs work holy hell its going to be expensive
Very professionally done, brother! It was like watching a Netflix Documentary. Awesome!! 💪
Thanks fletch I took my time and tried to get it right!
HD needs to throw this in a street glide🙏
Nicely done brother, I know that engine is putting out the horsepower, but I just don't like the looks of the engine it's self, I'm just ol school I guess lol, it just looks like a plastic motor setting in there 👊🏼😎
Oh no, every time I look at that engine now, I'll think of a plastic toy motor...🤪
Yea, reminds of the Honda Fury all plastic covers when it came out.
@@thevoyer2002 yes sir 💯
I don't think it will be a success with older Riders, Baggers , Road Glides. ,Road Kings and the like but it will probably bring in newer younger riders that don't want the same old thing
sell it as a crate engine and make so its cvt snowmobile clutch version( no tranny) ... 150 hp from 2 cyl that a good power to weight ratio! i can think of engine swaps already!
It seems a perfect fit for an updated version of the sportster and I think that would be a home run for HD! Light weight, inexpensive, EPA compliant, cruiser with modern tech and real performance? Yeah, that makes sense!
You called it. This motor will be available in the Sportster S.
@@Bandit-co9xc I am excited to see what the MoCo does with this new engine. After the Sportster changes, I really wanna see a performance bagger with this in it as well as some other updated performance items like Ohlins suspension as well as cutting edge tech.
Put it in the Road King Special and ill get one. Make the 114 the standard engine in the touring chassis bikes and attach the Revolution max with the special models. I think it would be super successful.
About time.. they should've skipped the M8 n gone straight into this engine n build their cruisers around this engine ..
Please release the Bronx!!! I need that bike.
Time will tell, I ma listening for any new info but nothing yet...
Also I've had nothing but water cooled bikes except for one and I have never had a problem.
I think there will be coming a bagger with a new frame with this engine which will outperform the rest of the market. Also because here in Europe whe have severe rulings
A challenge for the Indian Challenger!
@@RidingintheOzarks nah... the challenger is just a knock off... fit and finish is crap, paint compared to hd is poor and the 131 m8 kills the challenger. To me indian / polaris is a bad copy... they copy more then the chinese do. Not only from HD, but also from bmw, husqvarna...
I couldn't finish the video due to the mispronunciation of 'Chassis' (the last 's' is silent).
id still buy an africa twin or ktm super adventure
Harley is definitely evolving and making a mark and the Pan America looks like taking on BMW, Ducati and the likes!
Yo can't accuse them of just putting out same old bikes with different paint colors this year...
@@RidingintheOzarks
True for some!
While I like some of the older models more and think they are awesome and should be there in the lineup forever with little enhancements, these newer, advanced and refined models are a lot appealing too and I am sure there is a growing number whose first and preferred bike would be these newer models though - so, Harley is doing the right thing by stepping up while still reviving the models that brought them glory!
Great detail and info. I do think there needs to be a smaller option for the Pan America.
Thanks buddy!
975 is coming soon.
Yes, I think PanAmerica will be reasonably successful because is offers a fantasy lifestyle variation along with the motorcycle itself.
I think it will fail,
1st. When I go into the dealership nobody is exited about everyone calls it an overgrown blast. A couple guys said it's no Ulysses. So if the people selling aren't behind it it's doomed.
2nd it's overpriced I mean if you get all the accessories you've got as much as touring bike invested. If you're going to sell to the target market you need to get in that price range.
That being said I can't wait to go ride one next week at my dealer. I hope they expand on this motor and build one for touring bikes.
very much like a late 90s Honda V-twin but with fuel injection added.
do you know that late 90s Honda had a copy of Harley-Davidson engine?
A sport touring bike would be a great addition. I like the BMW 1250 RT but of course not the cost of their maintenance.
I think it would be an easy jump from the Pan America
@@RidingintheOzarks I'm not into the ADV touring. I ride about 20K back road miles a year. "Sporty" touring and seeing new places is my thing. The Pan America could be a replacement for my current ride. A "sport touring" focused bike with that engine... that's what would, no doubt, get my money.
It's an all new design for HD, but the Japanese have used all those design features since the 1980's.
Great engine... high performance, low maintenance that hopefully will prove to be very reliable. They are off to a good start with new innovation in the PA, with HD's new management and vision here's hoping they really branch out and offer more new models to compete in several categories.
Totally agree
It is OK, but I will never buy one..... Can't work/wrench on it without a million dollars (a little exaggeration for max effect - LOL) of tools and diagnostic equipment.... I stopped buying new cars for the same reason......
I understand that, I like my old Evo bike for that reason as well.
Cruiser ,bagger, like look of motor ,will Indian follow
Lots of great information here. I can’t wait to see this bike in person! I hear a lot of people talk about how much they want one. I hope Harley hits a home run with this one.
Thanks Ty! I am hoping to do a demo ride in a few weeks on one, thanks for watching!
Who woulda thought getting rid of the obscene longitudinal air cooled vtwin would be such a success. The design of their engines has been atrocious for the last say, 70 years.
No huge heavy chain driven primary
I'll like to see this platform go to my house
I too would like to see this engine in a sport touring bike, but they don't sell very well in the US market...my favorite bike the R1250Rt is just too expensive to maintain, and the BMW dealer network is terrible! That being said...why not put this engine on the street glide, sounds like they should ASAP!
Maybe someday but that means frame redesign which touring bikes are about do for but it maybe a few years, I expect they want to see how well this engine is accepted...
I would like to see a 1900CC version of this engine
I would like an mid-size adventure bike, with maximum weight around 200 kg. At 68 year age weight is an important factor
Agree, I love my DR partially because it is light.
Change is inevitable. Hope they dont quit making the air cooled 45° v twin .
I only say one thing to haters . How many 1947 Hondas do you see still running .
well, exactly zero Hondas... they produced the D from 49 to 51... u can't blame 'em 4 that ;)
I got mine 3 days ago and already put 800 miles on it.
Amazing product from Harley.
BTW, it was a trade in on my '17 SGS.
Love it, the best bike I ever had, and I had so many.
I’ve been waiting for Harley to catch up with the rest of the market. I might just consider a Harley now.
Go ride a demo and see what you think!
I want to see it in a Sportster
it would be a nightmare doing a full rebuild if it blew time to sell fam😭😳
Hopefully it turns out to be very reliable!
@@RidingintheOzarks yeah hopefully those mechanics are definitly gonna have to be trained for all those extra components
It’s pronounced Chass-ee the S is silent.
I'd like to see the 1250 in a Beull type Cafe bike w/ inverted forks and double disks, clubman bars and rear set pegs @ reduced weight. Have a 1200 nightster now so ...!
I think cafe style would be cool, did you see prototype they had shown before?
I rode the new pan America last weekend on there demo day. This bike is a work or art. The engine is quite. So fast. So nimble I love it.
I did to have a first ride video coming out this weekend
I'm wondering about the cylinder bores, with the rings riding directly on the aluminum. It may save a little weight and production costs. Reminds me of the Chevrolet Vegas, a very short lived engine.
The bike is very complex, it may be too costly to fix down the road, resulting in low trade in value......
BMW has been doing it for years. The Vega was just chrome plated cyl bores. This is much different. It should be good for a 200,000 mile motor. . . . If Harley does it right.
I think all modern engines with so much electronics are costly to fix, I personally don't see this being any worse this most other modern bikes with same tech.
Basically all motorcycle engines have a plated cylinder of some sort been that way for quite a while.
Yeah, why would you want gears going through oil, lol. Much better bone dry....
All good info and I applaud Harley for taking this initiative and hope they have nothing but success but I have a few obvious questions from the cheap seats not mentioned in your video:
1) Who was the brain trust behind the engine design? Inhouse Harley/USA, third party engineering like the V-Rod, or?
Highly complex engines can have highly complex problems if not engineered correctly and as a potential customer I want more than faith in the bar & shield that they got it right, I want credentials with credibility.
When the cheese slides off the cracker the owner gets to hold the bag, especially down the road if problems persist (wouldn't be the first time a manufacturer walks away from a design).
2) Where is it manufactured?
Harley leans on their "Made in the USA" title but have shown increasing shifts to leverage global manufacturing (no different than many other manufacturers) and I would want to know whose manufacturing economy my money is supporting.
Note: I'm Canadian so I lost out on any outcome of this but I would think this is very dear to their core customers concerns.
I haven't read anything about domestic production nor the involvement of an engineering company with a depth of experience in these technologies which makes me wonder.
I think it would be nice to know, no matter the answer.
I believe it is mentioned in the Video Harley Davidson just put on RUclips that the Bike is assembled at the York, Pennsylvania, Motor and Transmission is built in Milwaukee. As far as I know this design is inhouse. I haven't seen or heard anything to make me think otherwise.
I heard Porsche worked on the vrod engine
I would definitely be interested in this engine in a slightly smaller, lighter Heritage Softail.
I’m a KTM and Ducati guy. This 1250 Revolution Max 6 engine seems to be state of the art. The only features I didn’t hear described are vacuum pump evacuation of the crankcase and dry sump oil system. I wonder if these features are included? Of course, a different variant of this engine could include these features. I am impressed and will consider Harley-Davidson in the future.
I believe it has the feature or a form of them but it was not till after I made the video that I was aware of them.
Traded my bmw for a pan am! Pan am is more fun, faster, more powerful to me.
Touring. At least make it an option
If this is the motor for the next gen sportsters, it’ll be interesting to see them rocking over double the HP of the current gen.
Yeah might be a little scary, I did Rebel 1100 Test ride today and in Sport Mode it will scoot! it is pulling about 86 HP on 510 pound motorcycle.
Hammer has a maxed out build of the evo Sportster making about 130 WHP. This could easily start at 150 engine HP. Ok somebody is going to complain about the sound but that power will sell bikes.
Just ride a vrod lol
The V Rod is gone. Emissions I think
@@vernlochtefeld1626 this is the engine from the vrod, anything they did to make it emissions compliant they could have done to the vrod. Sad day, I would have loved to see the vrod stay and them still expand the lineup into models like this
Looks like a good 21st century engine. HD should have been brave enough to release the Bronx along with the Pan American. Think that would have sold well in Europe. I guess the die hard Harley guys won't buy it though for the same reasons they didn't buy the V rod.
I don’t think existing customers are the target audience and I hope the Bronx will come eventually but a new ceo delayed or cut the Bronx, between Covid and restructuring the company I under the decision regardless of if I like it or not.
I own a Harley and I would buy the Bronx if I had money to buy a second bike . I see no reason not give it a shot especially if it comes with a 1250 . I’ll never sell my 1275cc Sportster of course but I definitely wouldn’t mind having the Bronx next to it in the garage .I’m in my late 40’s
No valve adjustment !!
They could use this engine for a light weight touring bike it has lots of potential
Definitely.
I personally think that this is something Harley has needed to do to stay competitive with the rest of the market. I think they need to keep the bigger bikes air cooled and be more like Indian in their approach.
For example, the Chief line has the thunderstroke air cooled mill and then build a lighter bike using the new liquid cooled mill to compete with the scout and then another for rivaling the challenger. Let's face it if they want to stay sport competitive liquid cooled mills allow for greater power figures that are sustainable over greater distances at much higher revs. Indian has a couple of different liquid cooled mills and an air cooled mill. If Harley-Davidson could bring another LCM offering to compete directly with the scout and one for the challenger, I believe they will pull in more of the younger crowds.
I do not think they should completely abandon air cooled pushrod engines as it will cause the more die hard enthusiasts to jump ship but they need to offer up designs that will compete with all of the Indian models directly as that is the rivalry that has always been and like in years long past Harley needs to play catch up because Indian is kicking their butts. They need to reconsider the vrod which was in my opinion what the scout was directly competing against.
I think having Water Cooled and Air Cooled is definitely way to go, I think an Air Cooled with VVT will be coming in the next few years...
@@RidingintheOzarks Harley-Davidson has always stayed with if it isn't broke don't fix it when it comes to the designs of their machines and have relied on nostalgia to promote their sales. The V-rod, the street series, and now the Pan-American have been the only true deviations from design cues that have been around since the 50s. The FL has been one of the longest running model designations. It is nice to see some true modernization.
The AMF days had Harley-Davidson branded Aerimacchi bikes that served as dual sports and lightweight entry bikes but they were never Harley designs this is Harley collabs with Harley designs which makes it more authentic and appealing.
I have insider information that Harley-Davidson designed the Revolution Max engine however there were other players in the business that got involved (fuel injection, VVT, electronics, exhaust and other engine components) in the development like everyone else but the design is owed by Harley-Davidson.
Some may ask is it similar to the Engine that is going in the new Sportster S platform? That engine is a new engine (LaMotta) and technology.
Really according to Harleys Press Release it’s the same basic engine.. different heads and pistons to match the heads combustion chamber, different valve sizes, cam profiles and VVT phasing, different intake and exhaust… I wouldn’t argue it’s a different motor but not different technology…
@@RidingintheOzarks I guess they allowed LaMotta to do some things to it also. If you Google LaMotta you'll see the Sportster S platform but no association with it for some weird reason
@@kennethwise7108 I will check into. Thanks!
Make it a Sportster motor. Classic Sportster styling, staggered tapered mufflers. My favorite. And for god's sake, Harley should offer muffler "options", instead of me buying a bike with mufflers I hate, then replacing the mufflers for $1000.
Ahh, that muffler stuff is federal. It is hard to please them. Mufflers are really large now.
@Ben Daulton so you claiming the Harley-Davidson Sportster isn't good at handling is that right? How do you explain Harley-Davidson Sportsters winning dirt track races for 50 years?
Sales is your answer!
I wana see it in a all new XR1250
Harley needs to find another Eric Buell. Bott style frame makes more sense. A few extra ground wires would help electronics on Harleys and older Buells. No idea whats up with Rev engine oil pressures. The electronics remind me of problematic V.A.T. systems on Gm's. Can't they just put a resistor in to bypass the stupid? Seems like this engine should of been made 14 years ago. Reminds me of the Buell 1125. The Harley engineers forgot to keep it simple stupid.
13:1 comp...sheezez...
I’d like to see a Sport Tourer but I also want to see a larger version of this engine in a bagger
Larger? I think a lighter bagger with 150 HP might be enough.... who am I kidding you can never have enough right?
@@RidingintheOzarks the HP is great ! Lol but it will meet more displacement to bring up the torque for a heavier bike like a bagger. So I could see 160HP 135lbsft
150hp is nearly twice the power of any of H-D baggers.
@@KevinButler816 the 114 makes less power and less torque stock vs stock compared to this.
@@spiritofthewolf15x yes I have a 114 with a stage lll so I know all about the M8. Can you imagine what a larger version of this engine would produce in HP and Tq? 175HP 150tq?
Harley still making engine covers from magnesium in 2021? Wow. All the other manufacturers figured out that was a bad idea like 40 years ago. It burns if you try to weld it, and isn't as strong as aluminum. Really a shame.
1250 Cafe please
Give me a new Vrod
Great video!
This is so much better than the awful antiques that HD have been churning out for the last 50 years.
Yet HD is most popular Brand in the US... just cause it isn't what you want doesn't make it awful...I am all for HD offering more and different Motorcycles. Are Honda VTX motors antique and awful too?
@@RidingintheOzarks I agree, they are much more suited to the USA than here in the UK. Just seems so odd to me to use pushrods and air cooling.
Old time HD riders don't like it... I am an old rider and I like it. I want HD to put a reliable water cooled engine in their baggers. Air cooled technology is old school with its inheritent problems. Air cooled engines run too hot, which shortens the life of the engine. Remember the flat 4 engines in old VW vehicles? You were lucky to get 40,000 miles before a rebuild was necessary. Modern water cooled engines can go 300,000 miles if properly mantained. Indian is on the right track. It is my opinion that HD needs to head in the same direction.
Pan America a shaft driven low seat height adventure motorcycle that doesn't require valve adjustment motorcycle 🌟 HD earned many riders hearth with this bike. Others should take notes. I would really like the see HD to come up with a Middle Weight ADV motorcycle. With a smaller version of the same engine.
It is a sharp looking engine design... no doubt. Let us see how this engine pans out in a new years. I believe HD will be making a version of this engine for their touring bikes in the near future. Many of us want reliability and longevity. Our air cooled engines suffer from overheating, which requires expensive upgrades to tackle. Time will tell. I highly recommend never buying any new HD design until the bugs are ironed out. Look at the nightmares with the 17-19 M8s. Excessive oil consumption, sumping, etc...
Bring on the Cafe' Racer version with the full 150hp , and a Sport touring to compete with the FJR and ST1300 BMW R1200 RT would be great
I would like to see that motor in a smaller stripped down platform that would inspire the chop culture of the American garage junkies to build some insane bikes.
I see lots of possibilities here.
no. they want air
cooling
You missed one of the main things, the newly designed crank! Not only is it completely different, but it's one of the main reasons this engine can now spin 9000+ rpm.
I would like to see the Bronx with the full power 1250 with 150hp. A true naked sport bike. Keep the electronic controls of the PA out. Just deliver a balls out naked sport machine at a reasonable price. Somewhere in the next two years a sport touring model (150 hp) designed to look some what along the lines of the Buell S3T Thunderbolt. I would be first in line at my dealer for one.
I have one and on the road the Pan Am is awesome. Off-road, the engine and chasis doesn’t match up the best. Power is great, but it’s heavy. And the chasis doesn’t catch up with the engine very well. Definitely need knobby tires off-road. Harleys stock tires are horrible off-road. 👍
Hoping for a midcontrol option for the sport custom!
They are still saying cruser. When the sportster came out in 1957 it was not called a cruiser. It was built to compete with the the sport bikes that were coming out of the UK. Triumph, Norton and BSA were the machines to beat in any street race if you wanted to be cool, and HD delivered with the Sportster. And none of those bikes back then were called cruisers, just like you would not call the current crop of sport bikes cruisers. So what does Harley do ? They make a competitive engine, charge to much, and talk about using it to build a cruiser. They are no longer innovative, like an old HD mechanic told me years ago, "an HD engineer has not had an original thought since 1957.
My Pan only 400km.. But enggine oil leaking .. Verry dispointed.. This engine not extream ride or advanture ride..
Softail Springer with this motor would be great!
Please fill 91 octane 😣 it's giving linear throttle response as bonus to reliability. Don't bite on shit like it's winter, it's having a knock sensor, the high torque range would eat anything: coils followed by misfire under load, compression rings, valve's oil rings, rod bearing, deposits and burns, will cause vibrations, etc.
H-D will sell loads of this Bike., I wish them the Best...But I'm always one to wait 2-3 years to get all the Bugs, recalls, gremlins and improvements and then perhaps I'll think about trading my 2021 GS-1250
Rode my first BMW today, a friend let me try his 2008 GS 1200 Adventure out.
@@RidingintheOzarks
Try and get a hold and test ride the new 1250 Shift cam engine , it’s a totally different Torque Beast ‼️👍
@@elithegreat6463 My buddy is going try talk BMW dealer into let me do a demo... problem is I am now booked every weekend till July probably not going happen for a while unless I take a day off work or come down sick one day LOL
Ha Ha Ha!
I'd like to see the new motor housed in a scrambler motorcycle, something along the lives of the Ducati Scrambler or the Triumph Scrambler.
That would be cool, same size or something smaller for displacement?
@@RidingintheOzarks H-D could offer a scrambler in both 975cc for beginners and 1250cc for experienced riders.
If Harley used more aluminum and carbon fiber they could use this in their larger baggers as you would not need as much torque off the line. Making the engine part of the frame on their touring bikes would bring the weight down.