The Real Reason Harley Made an Adventure Bike. Pan America
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This is the might harley Davidson Pan America
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I bought a 2023 Pan AM, no doubt it is fast, fun and unique. However, it broke two days after I bought it, shut down and screen went black and wouldn't start. Goes to dealer, get it back. Broke immediately again. I lose excitement and trust for the bike. I then ride it around town for about 500 miles. It's doing okay so I decide to ride from NC to IA when my Mom had health issues. The entire way kept having issues. Audio controls and GPS quit working, had ride mode failure with warnings and faults. Ride modes no longer functioning. Then bike would occasionally not start. I took to the IA Harley dealer. They had it a month and a rep came out from Harley. Said nothing was wrong with it. They gave me some BS answers and just reset everything. I had to leave it there since I couldn't trust it. Then had to pay to have it transported to NC. IMMEDIATELY after unloading the bike wouldn't start and had faults. Goes to dealer again and they clear faults and reset it and say it is good. I have pics, videos, documentations and everything. After making the 1000 mile trip to Iowa the bike Has 2k miles on it. Harley won't buy it back, help me get in to another bike, won't even offer more warranty. NOTHING! To add to their poor customer service I have owned 4 Harleys and bought 2 new ones about a year apart. I'd think at 34 years old they'd want to keep me as a customer. I have loved the brand my entire life and no longer have any love or respect for them. Including buying a Pan Am special, with hard bags, fog lights, exhaust, axle guards and many add ons and extended warranty I am $29,991 invested. I asked the dealer what they'd give me for the bike to trade into something else. They offered me $9k after all this, so after getting stuck with a lemon I'd have to take that big of a hit......I hired a lawyer. Hopefully I can get out of this nightmare. I am flying to Milwaukee next week to go to corporate too and try to discuss, I hit a wall with customer service and they won't let me talk to anyone above my "rep." I have never felt so helpless and stuck with a poor quality and expensive purchase/product.
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I am sorry to hear about your problems. I hope you have solved them. My girlfriend and I went on a camping trip from Denmark, through Germany and France to Monaco and back on the GT550 in 1979. We saw a lot of Harleys and American cars sitting at the side of the Autobahns and Autoroutes. In the eighties we went to Milano. The stranded cars had disappeared but we still saw some Harleys. This year I only went to Harz but did not see anybody stranded at all. Maybe this is about to change again?
Use the Lemon law, the same as you use on cars !
It's not unique. There are plenty of other options and Harley was late to the adventure bike game.
The classics:
BMW GS(A)
Honda Africa Twin
Yamaha Super Ténéré
Triumph Tiger
KTM Super Adventure S
I think you forgot about few other competitors like KTM 1290 Super Adventure, the Triumph Tiger 1200 and the Ducati Multistrada. I think Harley is somewhat behind all of those, but it has a little something that I really like 👍 Thanks for your videos !
Thank you...glossing over the Trumpet and the Duc was a little sus...just sayin'.
@@samiam4240 Ducati prices themselves out of these videos. You can't compare a $27,000 bike and a $17,000 bike. Even if they look/act similar, they are made with entirely different people in mind.
I am thinking you never actually rode one to do a comparision
I doubt that very much.
@@stevieraysmith BS. You can't handle comparing the Harley to a $27,000 Duc, but you're totally onboard to comparing it to a $23,000 BMW?
I’m almost 36 years old and as a stay at home Dad it looks very doubtful that I will ever get a motorcycle.
I live vicariously through your videos.
It's worth trying. I started riding at 37 and have never looked back. Buy a small light bike to learn on and take a riding class. You won't regret it.
your missing out.. i not a stay at home dad though.. i work but i got my first bike at age 31 and havent looked back im going on 34 and motorcycles are so freakin fun wife and i take alot of trips in summer and so so much fun
@@pyrolysis2129 This. I am turning 40 shortly and have been wanting a motorcycle since my teen years. Unfortunately, due to location and very large animals and rough roads, I never got one. Now, however, I am in a new state that has so many people riding motorcycles that I actually want one. I am leaning on something smaller for easy riding back and forth to work and exploring country / back roads on the weekends. 300L would be a great bike for this in my opinion. No need to go fast, but of course, I think a Tenere 700 would be nice, just a bit rich for my wallet as this is a desire / want and not a need.
@BiscuitPuncher I did a short test ride on a Tenere 700. Great bike.
Started riding last year at age 40! Got a GROM then a Victory Vegas...now looking at moving up to something like this Pan America or s Sport Touring type thing! It's good for mental health to get out and ride!
My Dad, during WW II, because he owned a Harley prior to the war breaking out, was put into the motorcycle courier service on a Harley with horizontally opposed engine, the XA. He liked the V-Twin better, and apparently most did as that became the standard.
PS: He was later drafted into the Army Air Corp, finishing the war as a Captain flying P-51's. He retired as a Lt. Col.
Bad Ass Dad!
Adventure bikes of all kinds are literally everywhere in Italy I just seen the pan America in person for the first time over there. Now that I'm back home I'm obsessed with the idea buying one
ha "depending on how many times you've seen it" you either find the bike ugly or you're falling in love with it is so true. I initially didn't like the design of the bike, i hated the weird blocky headlight, the windscreen, the way the tank and exhaust and rear fender looked and i thought it was overpriced, too heavy and that it simply paled in comparison to other bikes in this class. But i learned long ago after some research that this bike is super capable and goes toe to toe with the best from other manufacturers. I've come to love the design of it, the headlight is a distinguishing feature that complements the bike well, the lines are elegant and simple, and overall it's a super solid bike for the price. that engine is magnificent and I'm hoping the reliability of it holds up in the long up. Harley really knocked it out of the park with this one.
Ugly is ugly
1st let me say how much I enjoy your videos. Love the content and cant wait to see more. Now for the bike. I love the fact that Harley came out with this bike. It is one of my favorite bikes and hope that one day I can own one. Truly an amazing machine, but honestly the only bike that Harley makes that I never really liked is the V-Rod. But that's just my 2 cents. Harley really did some amazing things with this machine. I believe that if people actually rode this this they would agree. Again thanks for the videos and as always, "Enjoy the Ride"
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The engine was copied from the V-Rod. FJB 🖕🇨🇳
I had a Buell Ulysses and have ridden the pan American . I prefer the Buell
I would say that the “Long Way…” series with Ewan McGregor and Charley Boorman have influenced the Adventure bike popularity.
Never seen it but it nothing else ever made any sense its all of the good parts and its obvious with like -5% at most on other things in comparison + things theyrs just clearly better at... its a no brainer
As I stated on previous post of other reviewers; I personally consider the Pan America in its current form to be more a Sport Tourer than an Adventurer, Ground clearance limations for such a heavy bike will certainly limit your offroard riding to just gravel or dirt roads. I am bewildered at thier choice to place the rectifier and battery in thier current locations, also simple air filter changing looks pretty involved. The maintenance free Valve adjustment looks appealing and is a great idea but is offset by the yet to be discovered longevity of the high compression engine (13:1 compression ratio).
Thanks. I'm doopid of them ratios.
'n here I am wishing I still had my '74 Z1 Kaw I took into quite a few (nobody ever been) mild off roading areas/cross town short cuts out back of cemetery...never waiting in line exiting an outdoor concert/pignic, I took the dry ditch. Z1 was a fun bike same as a CB 350 Honda, kinda.
blah blah.
We will have to tear it out
You obviously have not seen its off road capabilities.
@@grayghost1423 Lol! watch this attempt to drive up a moderate single track! He quickly regretted attempting and bike went into limp mode. Nearly 600lbs stuck on trail. Why do they ship with street tires? Case in point, my 2001 Triumph 900 Thunderbird is equally as capable for "off-roading" ruclips.net/user/shortsnjaz9mnV0Pw?feature=share
@Ima Fool and I can link 10 videos of riders tearing up mountains on the PA, believe what you want.
Thank you! really enjoy these real world unbiased reviews!
I wanted to tell you I am an atheist and I appreciate how you present your Faith. Most important, you do not appear a threat to anyone else's freedom to practice their Faith or No Faith.
I rode it at HD and loved it. It was fun , fast and when owner of HD said hey lets go into this old field we had a ball. Even for two old geezers
Love these Pan Ams, if I actually rode ADV, i'd grab one. Best HD i ever hopped on.
keep riding and filming with bikes even if we seen them already, EVERY bike is different. SRK is my go to.
I absolutely love mine. SE Extreme flow filter and vance and Hines exhaust really woke things up. I hope you make the ride to Milwaukee in July for the 120th. Stop at "The House" and say hi!
Nice, that helps alot to know more about the bike. Thinking about getting one.
Not too shabby dude! Cheers from Poland! :)
I loved it from first sight. I’m not a big adventure bike guy but it looks cool as anything I’ve seen in a long time.
I think it's good for companies to branch out with R&D and make different products which could utilize future tech in future products
I owned a Pan America for some time. I think you covered many of the positives pretty well but you hit none of the negatives.
I traded mine in because they cost so much fully decked out but lack the refinement you SHOULD get for the cost. The jiffy stand causes major issues with the adaptive ride height. Also it’s mounted very poorly on the bike and in a horrible location. The Infotainment system almost NEVER works, and I don’t mean appropriately, I mean it just doesn’t work. It’s battery is to small and is a very simple fix for the factory (as it is a known issue) but they continue to install The smaller battery to pad the profit margin. This causes a host of code issues and starting problems. Additionally, the thing throws codes like crazy. What’s more, the service department’s at the dealerships don’t have enough qualified technicians (a special course they must have) to services the bikes in a timely fashion. There are a host of other problems as well.
That having been said… the engine is like nothing I’ve ever ridden. It wheelies so easily, it can power slide in the corners, it’s balance point is unmatched in the large ADV bike segment, and as far as off-road goes, I went everywhere all the smaller bikes could go.
Bottom line, if you don’t mind spending a ton of money and not getting all that your paying for and just want a fast and capable ADV bike, you can’t go wrong with the Pan Am.
Thanks for the info on your experiences; the issues stated scare me away, along w/ the pricetag. Norden 901 here I go....
"If you don't mind spending a ton of money and not getting all that you're paying for" isn't that Harley-Davidson's standard operating procedure?
I bought my DirtGlide a month ago! It’s absolutely the most enjoyable motorcycle I’ve owned! Yeah it has its software issues here and there, Harley always has a solution! I already have 2,500 miles and 2,500 smiles since ownership🇺🇸🇺🇸
I dubbed mine the DirtGlide the day I bought it back in March and took to my pin striper and had him paint Paint DirtGlide on both sides of front fairing.
Once the fax machine is seen at the front (light) there's no way to make it unseen. :D
Crazy how BMW makes a banging cruiser and now HD is making a great adventure. I hate to say it, but this may be my next bike
love your videos, keep on making more vids guys.- with love from the Philippines
The triglide comes from the factory with a steering dampner, but it is a trike.
Mine has spoked wheels :D . And yes, I love mine to the moon and back, and I plan to ride it there too :D
Hey Srkcycles, Ducati also allow you to provide a pin code if the key is not available
People forget one of Harley Davidsons first competitors was the horse buggy so they needed to withstand rugged terrain
Man.. i really tried to like the pan america. I just can't. It's too ugly, too expensive, and just not practical for my needs.
Every bike is not going to be for everybody.
Would love to see HD reboot the XR next.
Hey Shaun. Love the fact that you share scripture at the beginning of your videos. Great video. I'm about ready to pull the trigger on the Pan America!
Great review, thanks for sharing, I didn"t know you were so close to Harrisburg, Ben
I don't know in the USA, but here in Italy they are not selling them. I have seen just one at my dealer, and one on the roads of Milan. That's all. Strangely enough, Italians (the ones who can afford it) are BMW-people: Gs is the most sold model nowadays. Greetings from Italy.
Awesome bike, except I’m too short. I have legs like a chicken and arms like a T-Rex.
Its agreat Idea, but I need it in a much lower size!
Pretty neat that it lowers itself down at a stop though.
ruclips.net/user/shortsQdA2UCDw_f0?feature=share
@@volvo09 yes, but sadly, not enough.
😊😊😊 hello shawn...nice looking bike but how much does it lower... I have a 29" inseam and have been looking for a new bike...how well is its balance and ease off the kickstand .. will it kill my knees after five stops for fuel and is it a good miler...love the video...where was the word for the day...much love to you, Craig, and your beautiful family...from Ohio ❤❤❤
Wow this sounds like a really epic video Sheen like yeah that's amazing I still like the old green one I seen when I was there I was very blessed to have shaking your hand and said hi to Craig
9:06 The Spy Balloon !!!!!
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Dude! You gave God praise in the middle of the video Sweet! May God bless you!
I have an former boss who was a jetcar racer he had a Harley street bike before they started calling them a Buell I always thought it was cool as I thought Harleys made road bikes very confused when I never saw one on the road except for the what they called Buell's those had cool sounds too.
Ktm 1290 is the biggest competitor. And it wins hands down. Lighter ,cheaper, more power, better electronics, better handling, adaptive crise control etc
I wish I could get this as a new rider, 150hp scares me though.
A very valid point. After 35 years of riding, on nearly a dozen different kinds of motorcycles (including the most powerful Ninja of its time)… yeah, 150hp would have ME a bit leery as well!
I bought a PanAmerica as a new rider. The power is very linear and predictable Tech on this bike makes it much more forgiving. A lighter less powerful 1st motorcycle is recommended to learn.
The HD adventure bike school has been showcased for awhile.
Super comfortable bike!
Take a step back when youre filming to show the product with some perspective..... i wonder how visible it will be front on as none of the lights are mounted level.
i'm not into with Harley all this time until i saw this one :)
Do your motorcycles run better the warmer it is outside?
Caught the Pan Am. S. Video... Great job 👍
Please make video on Royal Enfield classic 350
Would really like to see you take it off road. It seems a scary prospect taking a $20,000 motorbike into the woods.
ABS does not make you stop faster, it helps you stop straighter.
I've been riding for years, and am about to finally take an msf course with a friend of mine, I have a tiger xcx and love it but since we are taking the HD msf, I'm going to go try this thing out. Even though I think it's ugly and don't like the exhaust note. Lol also, dragoo adventure rider training course in Norman Oklahoma is a great course I took all 3 levels highly recommended it. Great group of people down there who legitimate care about you and your success.
No tiger 1200 or KTM 1290 mentions? 😢
I like the bike, but the fairing around the headlight just doesn't work for me!
The Multistrada can lower itself.
The one I got to test did it, not like the Harley but it dit it.
A friend of mine got one back at the dealership 4 times in a month for the display not working
I e not seen one less than $24K. And every dealer seems to have a CVO version of this bike. But I’ll keep my GSA. 😅
Great review Sean. Here in the UK I'd say 99% of adventure bikes spend all their time on the roads tho.
You have so many bikes. Give me a street glide 🤣
At least you kept a 690 Duke for the camera. Of course, you would - because it's not a brick, like that Harley.
I've seen plenty of reviews on this bike. Most were negative. Problems with the fuel pump, battery charging (supposedly the battery doesnt charge at idle, the RPM'S have to be higher), kick stand is too narrow, radiator line touching the exhaust pipe, and "check engine" or code light on for supposedly no reason. I was looking at adventure bikes, but I will stay away from the Pan America for the next few years, til Harley fixes these issues
Did you forget about the ducati multistrada?
Sorry but it looks like a lego motorcycle from the 80s.The front end is so fuggly
Ducati has had the lowering suspension for sometime on the multistrada. Just sayin
Local dealership tried to get me to trade in my 08 Uly XB12XT on a pan am. Looked at it, but it`s a hard pass. 13/1 compression and 1000 gadgets to go wrong along with a hefty price tag. Start adding some options. $$$$$$$ Nope, I`ll stick to my Buell. Looks way better (IMO), and still rides like a dream.
This channel feels like hardly Davidson klick bait
I want a Pan America so bad but I can't afford one.
I used to hate your words of wisdom they never appealed to me and I always would skip past them but the last few weeks I have genuinely found myself finding a lot of meaning in them and it has made me seriously find faith
What a load of Christian BS
Skip past a 20 second segment haha that's the demons bro don't want to hear it , glad ya found peace in them lately though
That’s what it’s all about
Me too man.
Its so cringy lol
I just saw the Pan America for the first time in person yesterday when I went to ask for the Riding Academy program at my local Harley dealer. For some reason the bike seemed "smaller" in real life than in the photos and videos, which, in my mountain bike experience, should be better for flicking it around in between the trees.
I liked it. A lot. I liked the "industrial" look of the headlight and the general "rugged" design of it. I liked that it looks different from other ADV bikes, and the mountain biker in me fell in love with it in an instant. I hope of one day owning one. Cheers, Sean.
Needs to lose at least 100 pounds
totally agree with you and its flipping light. i own a GSA and i rode the Pan America 3 weeks back and its by far lighter.
Its also a huge POS. The Pan America was named the most unreliable motorcycle on the market by Consumer Reports. Read the forums, these bikes are beyond awful.
Flicking it between the trees? Really? There’s a million better bikes for flicking between the trees.
No desire what so ever to own these heavy azz bikes.
Why they made it? Cause of the Million Dollar Bogan.
That poor road king went through hell and back 😂😂😂
shout out to MDB!! love that guy! road king on bolivia death rode absolutely epic.
Anybody that takes a CVO off-road doesn’t need an “adventure bike”. He already owns one.
mdb already did a off road review on this...he still rides marine 1...fair to say the review didnt go well
So they made it because of him... but before he did that.
Really? Suzuki VStrom….. you know the V-twin adventure bike that’s been around for 20 years, probably worth comparing.
I think the Pan American is pretty cool. I have a 2012 V-Strom 650 which I bought new in 2013. It now has more than 100,000 miles on it. It’s been a great bike for me and I think it will last for many more miles. Sean, when I’m finally ready to retire it maybe you can add it to your 100k bike collection.
Yeah I thought it was rude that he didn’t put the V-Strom on the scales.
I have a 2014 VStrom 1000. The Stroms are great cheap bikes
How’s that bike on the highway?
@@jDot2414 I think it’s excellent on the highway.
@@jDot2414 I thought the 650 was a little sluggish but overall cant really complain about my experience with the 650
The two at my local dealership are priced around $25,000. Much more than I can afford. I will have to just admire them from a distance.
They finance, don’t be a brokie
@@maxbrown3235 Financing a $25,000 toy is how you stay broke. There's so many other more sensible options in category. Why would you even want 150HP in an adventure bike? I don't get it. I see so many used KLR 650s and BMW 1200GS for sale.
@@SkullCandy5671 it’s okay if you can’t afford it, just say so
@@maxbrown3235 Say's the guy advocating financing lmao
How much extra a month do you pay for the gay little tassels?
@@SkullCandy5671 my $2000 cash ... Transalp 600 is offroad king for this elephant.
Nice bike but not worth the price you can get a Japanese bike for six or $7000 less and it would definitely be more reliable
I've just brought a Pan Am, feeling very happy. I've had a Lowrider since 1989, I'm keeping it, and the Pan Am is so different. I didn't like the orange/white and blue/white versions, I thought they looked horrible, then I saw the olive green, with the Army star on the tank, and I wanted one of these straight away.
I own one and love it. And its not my first ADV bike. Ive owned several BMWs and KTMs. You can drop a big chunk of that extra 11 lbs with a TBR slip-on. That mailbox of a mid muffler is pretty hefty. Swap out the footpegs with some real ones in billet aluminum from Altrider, too.
H-D sales guy thought I was going to get a "great deal" for $36k. "Ya know, that includes the cases". Of course the same dealer had 10 year old glides with 50,000 miles for $25k. As old and tired as the Tenere' is, pick one up for under $10k and never have to deal with H-D salesperson or service department ever again.
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I rode one for one of Harley’s trial day events, and i absolutely loved everything about it, except for the sound. Sounds a little bit like a lawn mower, but I’d absolutely own one if i could
I have been an avid motorcyclist for over 50 years, but never really caught the cruiser bug, which left me sort of disconnected with Harley Davidson. But I think they hit a home run with the Pan America, and proved without a doubt they are an elite and talented motorcycle company capable of competing in any niche they choose. At my advanced age, the bikes I ride are getting smaller in displacement and lighter, but if I were 20 years younger a Pan America would definitely reside in my garage.
Sport mode=20 years younger. Try one if you get the chance.
They need a honda rebel, grom, and dr650 klr 650 competitor.. the dr and klr have like 30 years in the game its tough competition esspecially since theyre imports and at competitive pricing. Look at the vulcan vaquero price compared to the street glide
This bike has more problems than the DNC. Harley as always dropped the ball on fixing the electrical issues in a timely fashion. With the auto lowering failure it should have been a serious issue. As always the Harley guys that wanted an ADV bike bought one and out found that Harley does not fix things in a timely fashion. The value of this bike has dropped like a stone down a well. Shouda coulda wouda HD
I've been riding (as an owner) since '82 myself, but never had the money to go HD. Bought a 1980 Honda in '82 for $600 (with brand new tires) so I get what you're saying. Still have my YZF 1000, and now a 2020 Indian Scout Bobber. I'm 64, and have never owned a brand new motorcycle. And I've been a motorcycle mechanic for 38 years!
@@gregwillis7767 LOL! I've owned somewhere north of 40 motorcycles, and only one was new - a 1974 Honda XL100. Unlike cars, THOUSANDS of people buy motorcycles every year and then never ride them. A year or two later they can be bought in mint condition with very few miles for a fraction of what they would cost new. 3,000 miles seems to be the sweet spot where I tend to find the best buys, but I have bought used bikes with as little as 200 miles on the clock.
KTM Sup Adv???????
Love how you still read us a bible verse before riding 🙏
BMW ? How about the Yamaha Tenere .. Triumph Tigers, Ducati's ect KTM 1290 Adventure ?
I have had my Pan America from launch and love it. It looks like you had a fault code before the 0-60 that put the bike into a sort of limp mode you should clear that thru the info screen and retest in sport mode or custom mode much more power and throttle response.
I own the Special. I could say things. It is in the shop again. I wouldn't buy a second one. Take that for what it's worth.
This is my favorite thing on two wheels. It's proof Harley can do whatever they want when they put their mind to it.
The KTM 1190 Adventure R has the same power and similar weight, but Harley may have gotten me to trade mine in because of that adaptive ride height and those hydraulic lifters.
I have Pan America taste on a Himalayan budget.
Good to see H-D trying new things. Hopefully they can stay around.
Harley Davidson ain't goin' anywhere. They're here to stay.
Love your work. Great video. A small note. When comparing it to other ADVs, you should add the Triumph Tiger 1200
I owned a Tiger 1050 and it was an amazing bike. Triumph is a good alternative to the R1250GS.
If we ever take one in, I will definitely take it for a rip
I recently sold my 2013 tiger 800xc, it had 110,329 miles on it when the new owner took possession. Never had more than routine maintenance.
Never find a dealer if you ever require service while on a road trip! That is one huge advantage with running a Harley....dealers are everywhere!
The Dirt Glide.
I’ve been watching you since 2018 and as a fellow believer I thank you for your words of wisdom as well as the excellent content
they'll try to sell these for like 5 years then give up
I think it's a pretty good looking bike. Some interesting features too, especially that suspension that lowers at a stop.
Can't wait for an off road review from you!
I was sitting on that same bike the day before you bought it from my dealer. That was a great price for that bike! If only I could have convinced my wife to give me the green light!
I have 3 bikes in my garage. One is a 2022 PA Special. No wife very happy life
Sorry about your wife.
Trade in your wife for the bike.
I would suggest you be a man and grow a set.
I’m glad you decided to post a video to this channel. Bikes and beards isn’t enough.
I took an adventure rider course with HD last fall. Good fun! There were 4 PAs and a few other bikes. Pretty impressed with the HD, but I traded my 1200 GS in for a Norden 901. It’s about 80 lbs lighter than those bikes. Big difference in the dirt.
The front headlight assembly is so ugly!Plus the sound of the motor is weirdly unsatisfactory!For a big v twin to sound like a lawn mower….mneh
Thanks for the review Sean. It looks like an awesome machine. Realistically, how many of the modes will get used? I'll be interested in your further reviews on this bike.
I have had mine for almost a year. For the first 8 months or so, I switched between street and sport on a regular basis. Eventually I took some time to figure out the custom power modes and now I stay in custom full power, sportiest suspension settings with all traction control & ABS at the minimum. It transforms the bike much more than the regular sport mode and lowers it at least an inch or two. Basically reminds me of my old R1 now that I have the Fuel Moto 12” carbon muffler, except you’re sitting upright.
Harley Davidson was saved by the tariff on the competition.
Now here we are.
CEO yes men.
Sad but true figure it out