Which is more powerful? Bosch CX vs Shimano EP801 ebike motor test
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
- It's been a few years since the Shimano EP8 and Bosch Performance CX gen4 was introduced and we've reviewed them both before. But we wanted to review them again because they have changed quite a bit since they were launched. Also, we wanted to find out which is the strongest.
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I forgot to mention, both motors were tested with everything set to max. This means Turbo was set to +5 for the Bosch.
Thanks, awesome testing. I ride the Trek Rail 7 with the Garmin power meter. Nice to see some comparison values.
Great test, thanks!
Thanks for a great video and information. Really pleased with the results as my bike has the Ep801 motor on my favourite bike brand, Orange 👍👍👍
After my ( and many others' ) Shimano EP8 showed e010 code, I didn't dare going for another Shimano. Almost no one repairs those other than Shimano. I'm back to a Bosch CX performance now, and my heart rate confirms the stronger Bosch :)
Yeah, it’s understandable just going with a different brand after experience issuses with the EP800.
I`m on my first Shimano eMTB and my commuter is second time in three years at LBS because of broken CX4 😅 Specialized lasted 2,5 years and 3600km before motor died…
Thanks so much for another great video. I would love to see you do this with a Brose ona Levo. I’ve been riding a Bosch for sometime now and recently rode a Levo. It really seems to give you power more easy and I was wondering what the actual data was.
Thanks! We will do more tests as we review bikes with different motors. We'll try to find a Specialized Rx 2.2 motor.
on Bosch Smart System you can change wheel length in app (change 29" to 27.5") and get ~30kmh
@@mn3469 yes, I confirm, just try and compare speed to gps as kiox300 will show 27
I have a EP801 32 tooth front chainring link glide 11 speed 50 big cog cassette
29er
It climbs walls
Derestricted to 35km
are they easy to derestrict?
Last week i tried out the orbea wild and the old orbea rise. Wild had the 85nm bosch and rise had 60nm ep8. Rise was more natural feeling but the wild gave more support and more fun. I asked an other tester about the new rise with the ep801rs and he said that the new one is stronger but the bosch would still win during a drag race or during a longer climb by providing more support. In this video i see the exact opposite so please help me to understand what is the reality? (I will definitely try out the new rise as soon as it will be available)
Hi! Is every Shimano EP801/EP800 motor come with same default profiles Eco/Trail/Boost without manufactures custom settings? And are you testing these videos with default settings? What if some other brand has a custom power profile that they use, so is every motor compatible to other brans desition?
I think the Shimano usually comes with Boost set to max. Bosch comes with Turbo set to 0. We increased Turbo to +5, which is max. I forgot to mention this in the video, we're setting everything to max before testing.
Would be interesting to do the same test between Bosch Cx an Sx
Hoping to have it out in about a week! (:
Nice video 👌 surprised with the results expected the Bosch to trump the Shimano significantly 😮I have heard though the aftercare with Shimano especially out of warranty is not great Bosch look after you a lot better which would be a huge influence in the purchase
👏👌🙉🤠
👍Real interesting test👏😊.
I always Wonder why the Bosch engine Wins competitions and perhaps only until now, when the EP801 got this latest "race" update.
It would be interesting to know how it is with the "over run" = how long after you stop paddling de engine keep on continues to operate, that I think is the reason why Bosch is wins competitions🤔😉
I actually published a vid about overrun just now (:
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👍Perfekt😊
How similar are these bikes in terms of weight and climbing behavior? I would compare the Orbea Wild to the Pivot Shuttle LT.
Yeah, the Wild is about 2 kg heavier and has a bit more travel than the BESV. We didn't succeed in getting more similar bikes.
But we think it's okay. They've both got steep seat angles and similar chainstays. Both bikes were nicely balanced for this climb and none had traction issues.
Riding the loop, there are many variables apart from weight, travel and geo. There will be variation in line choices and it's difficult setting up the suspension the same as most bikes will have different rear sus designs. So, this test loop is just done to see if we can find any obvious differences.
vivoben united states it is supposed to cut at 20 miles and when I look at the kiox 300 it indicates 19.6 miles quw dwja dw assist could you guide me I have a Bosch cx power line 300 smart system 4 generation engine.
Shimano you can unlock the motor 😊
in Europe ,because of the 250 watt limit restriction ,
'power 'is compared by Nm or torque . Wattage for pedelecs is irrelevant here , it's ALL about the NM .
The 250W limit is continuous power. The peak power can be much higher and it can be maintained until the motor reaches thermal equilibrium. Peak power can vary between motors even though they're rated at the same torque.
Yes but peak power is not used very much as a selling point , where Nm ratings are .
@@siriosstar4789 Yeah, I always assumed the motor brands stated Nm to avoid confusion with the 250W continuous rule. But it seems more motor manufacturers also publish peak power these days.
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I don't give a f which one is the strongest if drivetrain is not compatible with high torque. I have to change a f chain every 1000km which is soo soooo f stupid. Only carbon BELT AND ENGINE WITH GEARBOX MAKE SENSE FOR POWERFUL ENGINES
Hehe, I know. I wish more brands would at least go 10 or 11-speed.
Broke my original shimano chain twice BEFORE 100km xD. Swapped to a kmc now and so far soo good.
1300 miles in boost near all the time in the mountains, original shimano chain
@@brukernavnfettsjit kmc e12 all the way, no more rust and durable. Shimano xt chains are a joke.
Shimano.xtr chain.
Nah the most powerful emtb motor is bafang m560 and m620. Or even bafang m600 of Vitus bikes
True , but i think they are talking about 250 watt motors with varying torque .
some of the most "powerful" in terms of NMs are -
TQ -120 Nm
Sachs/BMZ- 112 Nm
rocky mountain - about 100 Nm
and i think there are one or two new motors coming on the market in Europe with high torque
Bafang will overheat then drop power, gl with it 😂
I changed the title to make it more precise (: