THE CASLTE 1412 NPRC DRAG MOTOR | WHAT CAN WE DO WITH IT??
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
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Just getting into no-prep and I'm going with this motor/esc combo because of your in-depth reviews and testing. I used Castle esc's when I was flying helicopters and always got positive results. Thank you for all the work you put into these vids, especially for us newbies.
Thanks James. Castle is a top player right now. You might be able to control other escs a little better but the castle will hold up and not kill your wallet.
Great videos! I’ve been starting learning journey myself and your content has been awesome. Actually getting my head around things I thought I’d never understand. Keep em coming!
I will and thanks. We have a ton to go for the new year
I’m running the mm8s and Thais motor on my bandit . And I’m running a 76/28-29 and I’m running the Ford pinto body on my bandit and this thing rips !!! I’m loving the combo it’s doing great for me and a couple of my guys also .
Nice. That’s awesome to hear. Keep at it man!
I am I picked up a Losi roller yesterday also going to start the new build for out law . Since my bandit is now the “proper” wheelbase 🙄 some guys where crying last week when we meet up to race . Mind you my best from the bandit is a 2.60 at 53mph on a soft tune lol nothing crazy
I want to buy a Bandit vxl and want to turn it into a Sand Drag Car, can you give me some tips?
No one in my club runs castle. It’s hobbywing and tekin as far as the eye can see. I’m the only castle guy here and boy were they surprised
You be blowing past them in no time.
Looking forward to seeing how you go with this motor.
I ran the 78/26 combo on my B6 and damaged a few gears. But I think there are some other issues with my setup other than mesh and too much power.
Kimbrough make a 32p spur also which I have getting delivered so that extra tooth size may help with some flex and be a little more forgiving.
Looking forward to seeing how you go.
i saw your posts. i have the carbon plate at 3mm adn 4mm thickness for the breakout..they also have an aluminum version out too. think that 4mm carbon should hold it tight. these motors are torque monsters..made exactly for less then 150ft..so it should be interesting. keep us updated
What Gear Radio run you Totay
@@Dorkyand40 nice. The extra thickness may help. I have a custom motor plate coming tomorrow with an extra chassis support, so hopefully that may help also.
@@StewMac570 let us know man..enjoy it
Depends on motor and timing. 87/20 to 90:18 is where you want to start
thanks for the video, just got one of these for my rustler 4x4 looking forward to it.
Awesome videos bud.all the info is a big help.
Thank sir. Glad I can help. More to come and lots here on the channel.
I was running the 6900kv cc motor which to me seems the same....great video 👍
Your 6900 and my 7700 are slightly smaller. For my rear engine chassis I’ll stick w/the 7700kv for now but if I had a mid chassis I’d definitely swap to the new heavier motor.
The 6900 is a 540 motor. The 1412 6400kv is a 550 motor. More available power and torque. Gear up.
Great Info Brother, can't wait to see your #s next month or so with the V-8 installed lol.... I'm currently set up w/ the Maclan 3.5T DRK w/ a MMX8s & plan to order the castle motor in a month or so.... 🏁💯🤙🏼
That’s a good setup as well. Same as my dr10
@@Dorkyand40 Nice!! I haven't even had a chance to run yet, might need to pick up & move South, nice & warm all year long lol
Great info
thanks man..cant wait to run it!!!
New sub
I ran the 78/ 26 and stripped it so I run a 81/27 and haven’t messed up
Need to measure that out for FD and see what that is.
Yeeesssss. I Here we go I was waiting for this. What's good homie.
All good man. About to head to the orthopedic to see what up with this injury of mine. Just making videos while I’m laid up :)
@@Dorkyand40 keep putting them out I look forward to them. I hope your visit goes well and you hear positive news.
Me too man. And thanks for the beers :)
@@Dorkyand40 Thank you for your help, my friend. It's the least I can do. You give free info that works when most class holes cover up their cars like I amma know their setup. SMH.
I'm running a 28-74 with the new FT lock clutch. Cheat @ 22° for the moment Imma do some hits tomorrow.
Your videos give so much advise and knowledge keep up the great videos. Got my stock chassis losi 22s with a mamba x 8s and castle 6400 kv with a m17 so far this past event got my car down the track with a fastest and consistent of 2.15 hopefully I can get it to go 2.0’s next event
Thanks man. We will keep on pushing them for sure !
I knew it was a matter of time before you got one👍
I might have had it under my pillow a few nights :)
Can this 1412 motor be used with a castle mamba x 2-6s esc with out any damage to the esc? I’m new to the sport and enjoy your videos. Thank you Turn RUclips off
I purchased this 1 month ago. Put it on motor analyzer it showed 5 degrees timing and 96,000 rpm
On 2s?
Yes on 2s gen ace 6000 mah 130 c
I have following your channel for little while. Thanks for all the info that you give out. It's ture you can teach a old dog new tricks. I've reaced on off since the eightys and I tell you this we have come along. way.
And we have a long way to go man! It’s gonna be great
Hey man I'm really new to the RC the only reason why run pretty decent is my Drag Racing Experience.. with the motor being limited with adding timing , you can only run the ESC timing.. correct using the gearing and it can only spin a Max of 75,000 RPM ? am I understanding correctlyand changing to this type of motor 4 pole how is it going to compete with the high RPM 2 polel Motors .. these are all questions I do not know the answer to thank you.. theoretically if you could plant the tire.. when you shorten the activation range you should be able to go quicker correct..
i think their thinkingi is theyve built this to be ran and geared for say 150ft so the torque of the 4 pole and stator design should give us the power we need to make the speed for that distance. all these other ROAR motors we use have rotors changed out and the like and i guess you can say have been altered to perform in such as manner with only 2 poles. its proven to work but this design with the 4 pole has yet to be vetted FOR OUR PURPOSE but i see guys hitting hard online and the mmx8s can handle all that heat that its going to make where a smaller esc..DRK..just couldnt spin it as well since it techincally has at least 2 times the resistance against it with the extra poles. hobbywing was the only oyher brand that used to release motors based on kv and stator size but i think they switch to turns for marketing . all of castles motors have been this way forever but this is their first at this size and build. so they took their big can speed run techonology and were able to fit it into a 540 sized can.
@@Dorkyand40 thank you for the reply I know that took a lot of time to type .. curious to see how they work out it seems like a lot of weight and Mass to accelerate. how do you feel about the activation. Question range I asked you
So when I was running 2.2 per day at 90k at a sanwa ramp I had my cheat range from I think 10k-50k. So trying to get it all in as fast as it could like I was doing with my drk and my rx8. I decided to extend my range out so timing came in slower and lower the ramp speed so my throttle ramps was around 1.8 seconds. Timing 6.8k to 75k. I went .2 faster. So a combos of the input signal and the timing algorithm gave me lower rpm but faster times and more speed at less rpm. Without some superior logging we will never know why this is the case. Can only speculate that the gradual build created less heat less resistance and a smoother throttle signal that allowed the castle algorithm to apply timing in a better manner. I can’t prove any of this without data logging of the true rc control signal and the timing algorithms but I’m basing this off of my fpv racing quad experience where I have the ability to see what is really going on between the esc and the control signal loop. Sounds like a lot and fuzzy math but it has to be buried in there. That’s why the sanwa is able to deliver such great results with any esc. Wheww that’s. A lot :)
@@Dorkyand40 dude I know you know all about RC.. that's why I'm here ,my activation range is 12600 to 80600. . And I go through at 88,000 I want to shorten it to 70,000 and see like tightening up the slue rate if the car will rev accelerate quicker . I'll just test and see but I understand what you say about the data logging capabilities we need racepak...
Yeah play with that some and see what happens. I was obviously spinning but not enough to be logged. Yeah our cars basically need flight controllers and we need something better then pwm. A true serial uart connection like sbus from receiver to esc. These quad guys turn 10 second laps now so if you think about it we are not that far off.
Your the man Chad!
Aawww shucks :) I’m just a joe trying to help. Appreciate the kind words Tom
Great video man
Thanks Oscar. Appreciate ya stopping by. Hopefully we can get faster together
@@Dorkyand40 hell yeah I'm counting on it. I'm looking forward to see how the castle motor will perform. Thanks
Hey man, I love your show. Shout out from Fort Wayne IN. Do you think this castle motor would be safe in a tekin rx8 gen 3? How bout a give away lol I'll be 2 years sober in April!!!!
Congrats man. Keep up the solid work. We all need you ! I’d say pass on the rx8. It doesn’t like to be pushed that hard.
If you go back in your videos i have commented on if you had any idea how i BBC an draw less amperage on my mmx8s drag build like a year ago and come to find out almost everyone is pulling amps lol
My logs show around 379 full pull with this 2.5 motor. Crazy stuff.
Do you guys think using 32p gears instead of 48p would fix the spur stripping the teeth would have more bit then the little 48p?
I have some on order to test. Will know in a week or two.
Now is this motor allowed in the 2022 season rules by the nprc? If yes then I will get this bad boy to match up with my mmx8s
There’s nothing in the nprc rules that states what kind of motor can be used. This motor is the same size as a 540 but longer so this increases the stator volume which increases torque. Good stuff.
@@Dorkyand40 well why I ask is with the 4 poles last year all I heard was 2 pole motors were only motors allowed at by the nprc rules. And keep up the good work chad.
What do you think Mamba Monster 8S with Maclan 3.5T or Trinity 2.5T ? I also have a Tekin RX8 . Your thoughts would be very much appreciated ! Thanks for the knowledge and the video sir !
I have the 2.5 in mine now. 3.5 would be fine as well. The properties of the esc just makes these motors run cooler and more efficient when geared correctly. Those same motors used to completely heat soak my rx8
@@Dorkyand40 Castle it is then , thanks bro !
I don't run a mamba monster x. But I do have one. What I have been running is a ztw 220 amp. Ran it with a 2 turn trinity monster it handle just fine but I did melt the negative lug on battery it was smoke that day.
You won’t be sorry. And besides it’s the only esc that can handle the abuse and these other guys like r1 won’t warranty your esc and maclan charges 150 for a refresh. And it’s 3 year old tech. The castle just dropped last summer. It’s the newest on the block. That tsr drk is the same esc in a different wrapper and a bigger cap. So lots to think about. Hit me up for anything
@@Dorkyand40 Thank you !
Isnt this motor Illegal under the current NPRC rules? I think the 5mm shaft is too big
No rules I’ve ever seen about motors. They all just happened to be Roar motors but that’s all we have.
Only motor rules are for 13.5 or 17.5 classes. SE/Outlaw is any 1/10 motor you can get to work on 2s.
I just got the 6400kv motor. Can I street bash with it in my on road 2wd slash with regular arms.
thats not its purpose but sure
@@Dorkyand40 ok was just wondering. Love the channel real content.
Hi where did u buy the motor I've been looking for it and it's not available
I’ve had these for months. Look back on the channel.
My name is Jay I am with Phoenix RC customs out of Franklin Louisiana how much does that motor cost and what kind of setup do I have to put on and will it fit on a losi 22
Can this 1412 motor be used with a castle mamba x 2-6s esc with out any damage to the esc? I’m new to the sport and enjoy your videos. Thank you
Yes mmx6s or mmx8s is what they recommend
@@Dorkyand40 Thank you
I don't think the mamba x has 6.5mm bullet connectors....
I like my noprep castle motor is smoth and liner and very fast
Nice. That’s great to hear. Keep us updated
I was thinking of using a motor and ECS combo that I have a mamba X with a 1410 for poor censored castle creations 3800kv . Would this be ok to start with in a in a team associated DR 10 M builders kit.
It would fit and get you going. Need to work on gearing and keep expectations reasonable. Won’t be the fastest. But fun to learn on. Then swap the motor out.
Do you still have some drag motors or esc’s that you will be gifting?
At some point yes
@@Dorkyand40 Cool I’ll be tuning in to check you out. Good info !!!!
What kind is that motor in the 1412?
I have the same motor and I’m moving to 32P gears.
That you on Facebook talking about mod1? That’s serious business. I like you sir :)
@@Dorkyand40 I’m on there, but no, not me. I’ve got a Kimbrough 50 with 17 pinion for a 7.647 FDR, and a 52 with a 17 and 18 for a 7.953 and 7.511 respectively. Gonna see where that gets me.
@@jocodashcam295 what car is this gearing on?
@@rockyf405fortenberry8 see above.
@@jocodashcam295 I mean as in what car sorry
Has anybody tried this motor with a Tekin RX8 ESC??
Many people used the tekin. It was a little harder to tune and get those last few tenths but I’m sure they have even better software now to make it happen.
I run 3800kv on 6s.
Can this motor be ran w the DRK 160+ esc?
Could u use the mamba x esc with that motor
Technically yes but according to castles website it says it is highly recommended to use with one of their larger escs.
@@Dorkyand40 OK I was wondering cause I have a mamba x in a sc10 drag car I built 2 years ago I thought I would put that motor in if it would work and use my flysky noble to ramp in the power
Try it. Nothing to lose.
@@Dorkyand40 I may as well it just setting the I have a dr10 with the drk160 and a 3.0t it does pretty good its running a 2.3 at 65 on gnss
This 1412 can use 3s lipo?
Maybe. I would need to check castles website.
It can but rotor will probably give out quicker. Most people hit around 50k rpm on 2s and do as low as 1.7s so far so idk why 3s would be needed
Can’t run 3s in nprc outlaw so mute point for me.
Can this 1412 motor be used with a castle mamba x 2-6s esc with out any damage to the esc? I’m new to the sport and enjoy your videos. Thank you
A mamba monster x6s is more suited for our application. I’m running it and castle recommends it or castle mamba monster x8s