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  • The Wiska consumer unit relocation kit is a junction box designed to make moving a fuse box or consumer unit simple. The unit comprises a Wiska 818 junction box, and Wago Top Job S Din rails terminals.
    Electricians often need to relocate an existing fuse board to a new location within a house. The new consumer unit may need a larger area, or a house may be having major alterations. Either way, the existing fuse board location won't work, meaning existing cables need to be extended.
    With this Wiska kit, the easily identifiable Wago screwless din rail terminals make wiring alterations safe and easy.
    In this video, we share out tips for consumer unit relocation and how we use the Wiska Consumer Unit Relocation Kit.
    😀 Remember, Wago Topjob is pronounced Vargo Topjob
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    🕐 TIME STAMPS 🕕
    00:00 Consumer unit relocations
    01:30 Identifying cables and conductors
    04:30 Removing old consumer unit
    05:12 Wiska Consumer unit relocation junction box
    07:00 Cable entry positions
    08:00 Cutting rear entry with multi-tool
    09:00 Mounting the junction box
    11:23 Current ratings and conductor sizes
    12:02 Connecting into a Wago TOPJOB
    12:37 Removing a conductor from a Wago TOPJOB
    13:25 Number identification..?
    14:10 What to do with the bonding conductors
    15:16 Outgoing circuits
    16:31 Circuit chart & identification
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  • @efixx
    @efixx  Год назад +4

    Wiska 818 Consumer Unit relocation kit
    hub.efixx.co.uk/wiska-818

    • @paulmatthews5470
      @paulmatthews5470 Год назад

      @@gadgetman36 may be non combustible?

    • @paulmatthews5470
      @paulmatthews5470 Год назад

      Specs say polycarbonate so I doubt it’s non combustible, but I’d say a similar enclosure is more for DB/CU carcasses with the likes of contactors and metering equipment inside.

    • @rp8068
      @rp8068 Год назад +2

      Would it need any kind of intumescent seal where the old cable exit through the plaster board void into the box?

    • @paulmatthews5470
      @paulmatthews5470 Год назад

      @@rp8068 I’d be heavily inclined to.

  • @adrianupnorth
    @adrianupnorth Год назад +8

    Never used this one before but always had it in mind. A few other similar pieces of kit out there but this seems really well thought out and simple. Great video guys 👍

    • @efixx
      @efixx  Год назад +1

      Thanks

  • @xcruell
    @xcruell Год назад +2

    I recently found this channel and i'm really pleased with the quality! Thank you guys :)
    Ahh finally someone who pronounces Wago the right way!

  • @Builtbypete
    @Builtbypete Год назад

    I love these din rail terminal blocks. I've just ordered some and looking forward to using them.

  • @h8ryj
    @h8ryj Год назад +6

    Brilliant for an installer, makes life a hell of a lot easier for sure.. I made my own one with din terminals a little while back to extend couple of ring main circuits. Downside will be its ugly and customers will not like a grey box housed on a wall in a hall way or lounge. Perfect for understair cupboards or housed in boxing in. 👍

    • @Rosscoff2000
      @Rosscoff2000 Год назад

      Wherever it is, it will probably be less obtrusive than the CU it's replacing!

  • @abdulseaforth6930
    @abdulseaforth6930 11 месяцев назад

    Going to install one this week.
    Quality install by Rick w/ the usual excellent thought provoking commentary by Gaz. Now to head over to my Man, Mr Robinson, for the icing on the cake. Keep it up please- the good work, that is.

  • @unitrader403
    @unitrader403 Год назад +106

    Hint for the lines on the Wires: I usually use a thick Line to indicate 5 Lines, to make counting easier (4 same sized lines is the upper limit of what you can easily count at a glance. but 7 Lines could easily be confused for 6 and the other way around).
    It looks like this (up to 15):

    ▎▎
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    █ ▎▎
    █ ▎▎▎
    █ ▎▎▎▎
    █ █
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    • @Gaunty213
      @Gaunty213 Год назад +4

      That’s a good idea may have to give it a try

    • @efixx
      @efixx  Год назад +6

      I will tell Rick 👍🏻

    • @theamazingtypo
      @theamazingtypo Год назад +2

      Good idea, I'm having it!

    • @jonp6798
      @jonp6798 Год назад +2

      Great tally replacement :-)

    • @charlotterobinson9452
      @charlotterobinson9452 Год назад +4

      I tend to use one along the length of the cable rather than a thick line.

  • @stephencunningham405
    @stephencunningham405 Год назад +7

    Good to see a plastic din rail. Had a few condition reports when boards have being change just to find cpc with low readings due to metal din rail nice job and well done

    • @OldLordSpeedy
      @OldLordSpeedy Год назад +3

      The problem is that the grounded earth/saved earth was in the history one point for all together. It was never a problem to bonding it together till we create RCD's. I wonder why Wago not produce yellow-green products same the gray or blue in plastic only. A plastic DIN-Rail is a wonderful solution but IMHO not a correct way.
      I self would let in this parts how I use only, empty Wagos looks like something forgotten here. Do you can buy numbers for the Wagos so count it 1,2,3,4, aso. Then the table looks exact correct - nobody know the next electrician put it under or left and right.
      The only problem are the UK fire rating where do you should seal the hole. I am unhappy that CU should be metal for fire safety but here plastic is okay. Do you have crazy regulations in UK. Just a hint! 🤔🤑

    • @zoltrix7779
      @zoltrix7779 Год назад +1

      I would have thougt that a non bonded version of the DIN rail connector would be available in earth colours.

  • @frostfang83
    @frostfang83 Год назад

    Lovin the fully insulated gloves :)

  • @siamanspaps
    @siamanspaps Год назад

    This is gorgeous, thanks for great work.

  • @gbelectricks
    @gbelectricks Год назад +5

    Got a board change tomorrow morning, I’m going to use a sharpie to number the line conductors. I usually flag lines with insulation tape, its a nuisance if a tape breaks off whilst removing the old board👍👍

  • @sparkz9803
    @sparkz9803 Год назад +12

    If you struggle to find the Wago range, Phoenix Contact make the same and I use the pre-printed circuit identifier label that clip in just under the small squares which are used with bridging combs to common up terminals. You could also mention the test point just above those squares. I use these extensively when building control panels, they are great.

    • @OldLordSpeedy
      @OldLordSpeedy Год назад +1

      Yeah, the products are equal - but Wago offer different sizes same Phoenix Contact. They offer 1to2 terminals too - so you can put a ring to this box and use one line to CU only. I think for more as 4 mm² (specially more as 10 mm²) is this a better solution.
      BTW: For testing are the holes - the red square are for put together more as one product with special nuts. 😉

  • @smitcher
    @smitcher Год назад +2

    Those are great bits of kit, especially the ones with the lever Wago connections on the lower side. If I were to criticise one thing though compared to the previous box - I personally would have installed washers with the fixing screws to reduce any chance of the screw being pulled through if it bets bumped but other than that it was a flawless install!! Maybe i'd have left the wires a little longer too but that's just down to personal choice...👍

  • @carlvaughan1986
    @carlvaughan1986 Год назад

    Never used 1 before and just about to hope it goes as easy as on this video but looks great

  • @mofarah49
    @mofarah49 Год назад

    😂😂😂 Never did I think you’d mention 2pac and Elton John…. Fair play I love the videos. 👍👍

  • @effervescence5664
    @effervescence5664 Год назад +5

    Seeing this reminds me of the one Artisan did awhile back where they took radials from the new CU to one of these boxes where the rings where. Thankfully labelled up to test in future from the Wiska CURK. That said I feel like unless you can get 2 separate din rails top and bottom in there it's not actually big enough for most properties, not to mention if you have to size down for fine stranded conductors, wouldn't you just ferule them?
    Yes you can join the protective bonding conductor, it's just down to jointing method, my preferred methods are crimping or brazing. If you could run a new cable that would be preferred but cost and accessibility are the limiting factors.

  • @FinlaysFireSystemsElectrical
    @FinlaysFireSystemsElectrical Год назад +2

    Good detailed video!

    • @efixx
      @efixx  Год назад +1

      Massive thanks 👍🏻

  • @NordenEngineering
    @NordenEngineering Год назад +3

    Great video the Wago box looks a brilliant idea, why is it not regs to be made of metal

  • @Cablesmith
    @Cablesmith Год назад +2

    Nice 👌🏼

  • @faisalmoghal4055
    @faisalmoghal4055 Год назад +2

    Would it make more sense to prep the enclosure with the new cabling in the connectors before offering it up? Makes it a lot easier to handle the cables rather than working with it in situ. Obviously it depends on the installation and where those cables run to after the trunking

  • @aussiegruber86
    @aussiegruber86 Год назад +1

    need to get access to this stuff down under

  • @asp217
    @asp217 Год назад +5

    You can extend a main equipotential protective bonding conductor if you use a crimp connection. Same would apply to the earthing conductor

  • @MrIbib
    @MrIbib Год назад +2

    I’ve used the other version, and found it a bit cramped.
    This one looks much better.

  • @Nigel1969
    @Nigel1969 Год назад +2

    Great video..

    • @efixx
      @efixx  Год назад

      Thanks Nigel 👍🏻

  • @Pakistan_zinda_baad
    @Pakistan_zinda_baad Год назад

    Good job .

  • @eeyxeb
    @eeyxeb Год назад +2

    If I can remember rightly there is something in GN8 about main protective bonding conductors needing to be unbroken. But I'm sure somewhere in the Regs it contradicts that by an exemption if using MF connection or appropriate compression joint and it also being accessible for inspection.

  • @calumclark1719
    @calumclark1719 Год назад

    Spot on save you having to make one up from scratch

  • @tecnisdaimondm.g9321
    @tecnisdaimondm.g9321 Год назад

    Excelente

  • @nusermane1076
    @nusermane1076 Год назад +1

    Are these extension boxes used in a set-and-forget manner, or does one to have check the connections as part of e.g. an eicr?

  • @seanmcneill8899
    @seanmcneill8899 Год назад +1

    Very neat work. only thing I would change is to have 7 round hole's at top of box as to the slot.

  • @mra813
    @mra813 Год назад +3

    I have been making these for years using an adaptable box and Klippon terminals.

  • @raj080288
    @raj080288 3 месяца назад

    Are those meter tails in the consumer unit isolated from the main switch or would they still be livd even after isolating the main switch in the CU?

  • @AintBigAintClever
    @AintBigAintClever Год назад +3

    Any regulatory reason why the Wagos are in LNE sequence rather than LEN which would match the T+E cables?
    Other than that, as long as cable bunching as part of the relocation doesn't open its own can of worms they look like a good piece of kit. I expect that high IP rating would also come in handy to correct some of the more controversial installs seen on RUclips, where for example a room's been turned into a bathroom but the CU's still in there, just behind a panel.

  • @topnod2007
    @topnod2007 Год назад

    Are these relocation boxes maintenance free so they can be hidden in the ceiling? Or would I be better to use MF junction boxes on all the circuits maybe?

  • @johnmcfadden7418
    @johnmcfadden7418 Год назад

    When relocating like this obviously at some point cable calcs were measured and correction factors applied so does this matter now that you have chabged this over an placed all that cable in one trunking? surely you are changing the way the cables are now run so there may be a concern with the cooker cable for instance? I know it will depend on the run to the new board also but please explain thx

  • @Edsbar
    @Edsbar Год назад +3

    I would use a crimp connector with a bit of heat shink for extending a bonding conductor so it can be said to be permanent.

  • @markrainford1219
    @markrainford1219 Год назад +4

    Majority of customers want the CU moving because they don't want an ugly box on the wall in that position though.

  • @DanielDouglas-be6jz
    @DanielDouglas-be6jz 2 месяца назад

    Can I use this to extend 3phase circuits for a 3 phase board relocation. As the circuits are not long enough for the new board?

  • @olegonline5984
    @olegonline5984 Год назад

    Interesting decision. Never seen anything like it.

  • @ANTHONYBOOTH
    @ANTHONYBOOTH Год назад

    I will never forget having this to do back in the 90's at FATTY TOWERS CLIFTONVILLE; - Buster ...or Doug wanted me to re-connect all of the crumbly old LEAD CASED CABLE to the original Wooden fusebox which I was to re-fit on the outside of the particular bathroom... he wanted me to send back all the cable + fuse-boards which his manager had let me order previously, - said that by ripping out old lead cables I was making work for myself..... I ended up moving back to Crete, - apparently he could not find the kind of 'electrician' that he wanted Anywhere ...ended up having to sell the place....

  • @dkaloupis75
    @dkaloupis75 Год назад

    Hi Guys. Do you undertake domestic installation jobs in Southampton area? Thanks

  • @Broadcast1Channel
    @Broadcast1Channel Год назад

    As you open it up I'm thinking should this Wiska 818 enclosure be made of metal?

  • @helmanfrow
    @helmanfrow Год назад

    Do your regs have anything to say about raceway overfill?

  • @Maverick2k62k6
    @Maverick2k62k6 Год назад

    Hi What label printer do you use to create the board schedule?

  • @user-vc8ou1te9y
    @user-vc8ou1te9y Год назад +1

    If the bonding conductor isn't needed, as the water pipe is plastic. Should the bonding conductor itself be connected to earth as I becomes an extraneous conductive part itself?

  • @davelivermoore308
    @davelivermoore308 Год назад

    Great idea but if for instance this is located under the wooden staircase with it being plastic what’s the difference between a pvc fuse board and a pvc junction box????

  • @moemiah5799
    @moemiah5799 Год назад +1

    What cable strippers being used?
    Thanks

  • @Xavier-qm3jc
    @Xavier-qm3jc Год назад +1

    Hello, I have a quick question about the regs, I am thinking of having the consumer unit modernized but would it be possible to place an isolator switch between it and the mains? As this would make it much safer to work on it afterwards.

    • @reeceoverton1421
      @reeceoverton1421 Год назад

      Yes

    • @AintBigAintClever
      @AintBigAintClever Год назад +1

      A REC isolator is what you're looking for. Despite REC standing for Regional Electricity Company they're not the sole supplier of them; even Screwfix do them (part 321FR). There are also 3- or 4-pole versions available for polyphase or Economy 7 installations. They also make it easier if the tails to the new consumer unit would need to be extended, as the existing tails can simply be brought into the isolator and new tails run from there to the new board. No opening of the meter cover, no tripping of the meter cover tamper switch.

    • @deang5622
      @deang5622 Год назад

      Many CU's contain a double pole isolator. You don't necessarily need a separate one.

  • @markkennard861
    @markkennard861 Год назад

    Is the Neutral switched at the main Switch ? Illegal here i NZ & Aus

  • @GrahamDIY
    @GrahamDIY Год назад +2

    10y ago I had to swap my CU. I built the new CU on a bit of 18mm ply and mounted a DIN box next to it on the on the ply and wired the two on the Kitchen table. Was very easy. Then mounted on the wall as one unit and terminated the cable runs in to the din box
    All very neat. All very well labelled. All safe. All easy to maintain.
    Several reasons I did this. But afterwards I wondered why everyone doesn’t do this ? Space I suppose 🤷‍♂️ but it didn’t take too much more space.

  • @Rosscoff2000
    @Rosscoff2000 Год назад +41

    As the regs require the consumer unit to be metal, surely that box should be metal as well? It has all the same circuits and twice as many terminations inside, and must represent a key risk area.

    • @boblewis5558
      @boblewis5558 Год назад

      No breakers though ... Apparently the "source" of most CU fires by all accounts ... How ironic is that! Duh!
      Kind of makes my point that I have repeated ad nauseam for years ... Fit a disconnect temp sensor INSIDE the CU. Plastic needs a source of extreme heat (>200°C) to ignite. Remove the source of overheating LONG before it reaches that 200 plus temp (say 75°C) and PREVENT a fire from ever starting in the first place! None so blind as those who will not see!!

    • @scwfan08
      @scwfan08 Год назад +7

      Interesting that in the UK everything needs to be metal and earthed. In Germany it's not required and most consumer units are isolated and also mostly plastic boxes.

    • @Rosscoff2000
      @Rosscoff2000 Год назад +6

      @@scwfan08 Maybe German installers have a history of better installation work. We have a history of fires started by consumer units, mostly I think down to poorly made connections. Probably the same reason arc fault detectors are now bring introduced.

    • @daron8982
      @daron8982 Год назад +1

      @@scwfan08 every system in whatever country you’re in, must be earthed

    • @scwfan08
      @scwfan08 Год назад +2

      @@daron8982
      Not if it's protection class 2 which most consumer units are here

  • @carlrobson5745
    @carlrobson5745 Год назад +1

    whats wromg? crabtree and wlex breakers in the same board bus bar missing dual rcd
    i have used onr of these in my own house and used the brother label printer with heat shrink lables to idernify the circuits at both ends should I ever sell thje property or other electrical work is required both ends have been identified.
    An epensive bit of kit when its possible to replicate for a cheaper price.

  • @ajmalshehzad9081
    @ajmalshehzad9081 11 месяцев назад +1

    I confeus (You removed the all breakers ) you tell clear .. This is a breaker? If are shot circuit .so ther cut off my indoor spley ?

  • @oliveiraestofadostutoriais8340
    @oliveiraestofadostutoriais8340 Год назад +1

    Top

  • @Blackf1ngers
    @Blackf1ngers Год назад +12

    While the regs do not demand that this sort of enclosure be made of metal wouldn't it be better? It doesn't make sense to me to for a plastic consumer unit to be replaced with a plastic DIN rail enclosure considering the amount of connections.

    • @12000gp
      @12000gp Год назад +2

      Absolutely agree with you.

    • @allsystemsdownagain9553
      @allsystemsdownagain9553 Год назад

      Stop taking life so seriously!!

    • @12000gp
      @12000gp Год назад +1

      @@allsystemsdownagain9553 start taking your job more seriously

  • @CaptainK007
    @CaptainK007 Год назад

    Good init.

  • @paultipton743
    @paultipton743 Год назад +2

    I do put numbered sleeves on the wires when reconnecting with a schedule sticker

    • @efixx
      @efixx  Год назад

      👍🏻

  • @JamesCurnowElectricalEngineer
    @JamesCurnowElectricalEngineer Год назад

    I'm guessing the reason for replacing the consumer unit is the lack of spare ways and only type ac rcds? I notice the breakers are a different make.

  • @Andy-71
    @Andy-71 2 месяца назад

    What if you have to bring the tails through also and they were too short and the main earthing conductor but you were using the larger connections for cooker and shower

  • @S7tronic
    @S7tronic Год назад +4

    I would suggest some of those adhesive cable markers rolls for numbering, or at least use an X for 5 if using the line marking method,-save the headache of counting the damn things at the end..

    • @efixx
      @efixx  Год назад

      I will tell Rick 👍🏻

  • @doyles9330
    @doyles9330 Год назад

    All well and good but what about when the main tails are now to short too

  • @08001967
    @08001967 Год назад +1

    the new board you installed for this installation
    was it metallic
    if so why not a metallic enclosure for the wagos
    almost as many terminations with a chance to go wrong

    • @efixx
      @efixx  Год назад

      It doesn’t contain any circuit breakers etc so doesn’t need to be metal.

  • @knightbeat
    @knightbeat 8 месяцев назад

    What is that wire stripper by the way?

  • @TheDrew2022
    @TheDrew2022 Год назад

    I would love it if these kits were ULc or CSA listed like the wago connectors are.

  • @Goboholder
    @Goboholder 11 месяцев назад

    What happened to the mains tails and main earth? Do we assume theses went into service blocks below? (Sorry if I missed this).

    • @Andy-71
      @Andy-71 2 месяца назад +1

      I asked the same question, usually the tails come through with the rest of the circuits and the main earthing conductor. Also you would normally have a shower circuit and a cooker circuit so I'm guessing you would have to through crimp the tails and main earth if you couldn't pull new ones through from outside and they would have to come over the top of the wagos as there isn't room down the side

  • @pcboffin
    @pcboffin Год назад +7

    While this looks a nice idea, it's really only going to be useful for moving smaller or older boards that don't have too many circuits on. Given that RFCs take up two sets, it doesn't have to have many before there are not enough connections. (Yes you could mount two side by side but then the original cables likely won't reach into both)
    I've just relocated a standard 10 way Dual RCD board from a hallway to a cupboard for aesthetic purposes, and this would not have been adequate (3 x RFC, Oven, Shed, 3 x lighting circuits) even though the original board had two unused ways.
    Hopefully in time suppliers will stock wider boxes and let you mix and match the connectors to suit.

    • @kbunboxing938
      @kbunboxing938 Год назад

      im pretty sure they have different sizes of the relocation kit

    • @intercity125
      @intercity125 Год назад +2

      No reason you can't just buy the individual TOPJOB blocks and any size adaptable box with appropriate DIN rail - just a prebuilt kit of that at the end of the day

    • @JasperJanssen
      @JasperJanssen Год назад +1

      @@intercity125 just make sure you get a plastic din rail and/or use grey blocks for the earths.

  • @keithmcgarrigle8921
    @keithmcgarrigle8921 Год назад +1

    Please let me know the difference between a bad joint causing a fire in a plastic juntion box and a plastic fuse board. Causing the same problem. Would it be beter to use a metal enclosure for the juntion box.

    • @efixx
      @efixx  Год назад +1

      Consumer units contain MCBs, RCDs etc which create heat as part of there operation.

    • @keithmcgarrigle8921
      @keithmcgarrigle8921 Год назад +1

      @@efixxA high resistant joint could also cause fires in a plastic enclosure. A metal enclosure would stop the of such a problem.

  • @acelectricalsecurity
    @acelectricalsecurity Год назад +7

    They are ok, can't imagine a customer being too happy with one of those stuck in the middle of a hall or lounge wall, I always use a through crimp when joining a bonding conductor, I have seen people use a big connector or even an earth clamp chucked under the kitchen units.

    • @essdee9143
      @essdee9143 Год назад +3

      Agreed a flush version would go along way.

    • @Rosscoff2000
      @Rosscoff2000 Год назад +1

      Even so, it's not going to look any worse than the CU that it's replacing.

    • @acelectricalsecurity
      @acelectricalsecurity Год назад

      @@Rosscoff2000 yeah it is

    • @Andy-71
      @Andy-71 2 месяца назад

      Usually the tails and main cpc come through with circuits so they would have to be extended but no room. The middle blocks would be used for shower and cooker.

  • @jerzyszczachor724
    @jerzyszczachor724 Год назад

    Moving a fuse box but still you left big box on the wall any different idea to no live a electric art in a middle of the wall?

  • @burlacumarius6790
    @burlacumarius6790 Год назад

    What is the maximum length you can extend a consumer unit ?
    Thank you

    • @efixx
      @efixx  Год назад +1

      All down to the circuit design for volt drop.

  • @fiercefix
    @fiercefix Год назад +6

    My 2 pennies worth. Open wall up wider & square where cables end , joint cables as required with over sleeve to maintain insulation required push back into cavity , flat access plate on wall new cables jointed to new location simple! Over thinking this job with unnecessary likely expensive extra parts. Also leaving a big box on the wall .

  • @yngndrw.
    @yngndrw. Год назад +3

    As you've mentioned in an eFIXX video back in April 2021, regulation 421.1.201 in BS7671 (17th) states that "Within domestic (household) premises, consumer units and similar switchgear assemblies shall comply with BS EN 61439-3 and shall:
    1) Have their enclosure manufactured from non-combustible material, or
    2) Be enclosed in a cabinet or enclosure constructed of non-combustible material and complying with Regulation 132.12
    Note: Ferrous metal, e.g. steel, is deemed to be an example of a non-combustible material."
    For the purpose of the regulations, does the Wiska 818 consumer unit relocation kit not come under the classification of "similar switchgear assemblies"?

    • @zoltrix7779
      @zoltrix7779 Год назад +2

      Hmmm... interesting. But I guess is not a switchgear assembly. Its a junction box. That is how I read it.

    • @yngndrw.
      @yngndrw. Год назад +2

      @@zoltrix7779 I should start by pointing out that I'm not an electrician by trade.
      To me it seems that in order to understand the regulation it helps to consider exactly why it exists and how there might be a difference in risk. I believe the following are the main drivers for this regulation specifically targeting plastic consumer units:
      1) Consumer units in the UK are typically located in hidden areas (Under the stairs) or fire escape routes (By the front door, a hallway or under the stairs).
      2) The risk from a large number of screw terminals (I.e. Not maintenance free).
      3) The presence of particularly high currents in comparison to other locations. (80/100A for meter tails / bus bar, shower / cooker supplies)
      4) The presence of MCBs which have to break high fault currents.
      I'm not entirely sure if all of these are drivers for this particular regulation, nor am I sure exactly what ordering they would be given or if I've missed any.
      Consumer unit relocation kits would appear to me to suffer from a couple of these risks:
      1) They are typically used to relocate a consumer unit from an older traditional location and therefore remain located in these higher risk areas.
      3) Not quite the same risk as the supply doesn't pass through this, but there are typically still going to be some high current circuits.
      #2 is not relevant for this Wiska 818 as maintenance free terminals are used, but if regular screw terminals were used then it would also apply
      #4 is not relevant for relocation
      It's an interesting point you make about it being a junction box, where do you draw the line? Is this a special case due to its location and higher currents?

    • @zoltrix7779
      @zoltrix7779 Год назад +1

      @@yngndrw. I don't disagree with your points. It would probably be better for the regulation to cover this scenario specifically. The electrician really, should not have to understand why a regulation is what it is (even though, in practice, they do understand why most regulations are what they are for due to training), just follow it to the letter, or at the very least, to the best of their ability. I don't think it is clear enough to expect an electrician to use a metal enclosure. However, I am sure many would choose to do so, just to be on the safe side.

    • @efixx
      @efixx  Год назад +3

      The connections in the junction box are simple through connections. In a consumer unit you are distributing power from higher current terminals to lower current ones.

    • @alan2804
      @alan2804 Год назад +1

      @@efixx Interesting point but where do you stop, would a spur off a socket on an RFC come under the metal enclosure requirement as there is switching and higher to lower current circuits?

  • @ianstanley5157
    @ianstanley5157 Год назад +1

    IF you relocate a metal consumer unit, would you be required to use a metal junction box?

    • @deang5622
      @deang5622 Год назад

      Metal consumer units came in with 18th edition amendment 3. I have checked the IET portal on what it says are the changes between 17th edition and 18th edition and I can find no reference to metal junction boxes.
      However, it is possible under Chapter 14 and Appendix 13 which is to do with fire safety and protected escape routes that plastic junction boxes may be prohibited from protected escape routes, as they are combustible. You'll have to check.

  • @johnpidd458
    @johnpidd458 Год назад +3

    Only a small point. On the upper cables I would sleeve the reds with brown sleeve, and the blacks with blue. Maybe ott? Fantastic video though guys.

  • @lillpete
    @lillpete Год назад +2

    You've really got your money's worth out of those gloves!! 🤣

  • @leedavies7580
    @leedavies7580 Год назад

    Panel wiring termination blocks ,was wiring them on naval ships 30 years ago ,cables were all black and we had to tag them with number sleeves ,house wiring is nothing compared to ships control wiring systems ,440v,240v,115v

    • @sally6457
      @sally6457 Год назад

      That'll be why at least one royal navy ship needed a major electrical system overhaul last year, after a number of faults causing fires and phantom crossed phases. (Not really sure if I'm allowed to say which one)

  • @therealdojj
    @therealdojj Год назад

    the tupac reference lol

  • @calmeilles
    @calmeilles Год назад +3

    If the run between this and the new CU location was entirely through trunking I'd be tempted to use singles for the extensions, just that little bit easier to handle than T&E. Is there any reason in regulations not to?

    • @JasperJanssen
      @JasperJanssen Год назад +1

      It may be easier to handle in one aspect, but on the other, imagine replacing that consumer unit some time, let alone going from not to an RCBO board… that would be an utter nightmare. Having the wires of the various circuits physically grouped is something that makes things a lot easier to handle.

    • @efixx
      @efixx  Год назад

      Thanks for adding your thoughts 👍🏻

    • @andrewchilcott5312
      @andrewchilcott5312 Год назад +1

      I think you could only use singles if the trunking can only be opened with a tool rather than just fingers

    • @deang5622
      @deang5622 Год назад

      @@andrewchilcott5312 No, I don't think so. 416.2.4 is about the use of a tool to remove part of an enclosure providing protection.
      It's to do with preventing electric shock risk, by people, even children opening up an enclosure where there are live terminals or joints inside.
      When you run PVC singles in conduit, the conduit is providing mechanical protection and there is no possibility of getting at any live parts unless the person cuts through the PVC single, but that then is a very deliberate act.
      If however, you joint a PVC single in a conduit then that's a different matter. But ideally you wouldn't do that anyway.

  • @kerbsidemotors9249
    @kerbsidemotors9249 Год назад +1

    Lovely grouping factor all in 50x50 trunking 😂

  • @MartinCawley-xy1lo
    @MartinCawley-xy1lo Год назад

    Great video, as usual. This WAGO box is too small for larger installations and is not visually pleasant in domestic Hallways.

  • @ELECTRICLIFE4U
    @ELECTRICLIFE4U Год назад

    👍👍👍👍👍

  • @GregoryBryant-fj9bz
    @GregoryBryant-fj9bz 3 месяца назад

    I expect the reason for the unit not being metal is that unless connected via flylead to a CPC or the equipotential bond, how would the case be earthed? I‘m surprised the rear entry cuts were not filed-down then intumescantly sealed as well as the mounting screws without washers. Surely the TopJobs should be LEN rather than LNE, as PVC PVC twin and CPC cable is in such an order. Will have to read the item specs online to determine if MF.

    • @GregoryBryant-fj9bz
      @GregoryBryant-fj9bz 3 месяца назад

      Just called Wiska UK - they confirmed the unit is MF and can be mounted behind plasterboard etc.

  • @madhatter61
    @madhatter61 Год назад

    Messed that hole up

  • @emilgemc8913
    @emilgemc8913 Год назад +2

    Wiska is only for 10 way board but what about if you want to move 20 way board or 3 phase pannel 30-35 circuits ????🤔🤔🤔 you will need a bigger wiska

    • @Blackf1ngers
      @Blackf1ngers Год назад +1

      or several?

    • @sally6457
      @sally6457 Год назад

      There are plenty of larger alternatives from different manufacturers readily available.

  • @elektrokonto114
    @elektrokonto114 Год назад

    Nice... couldnt you have been 2 Weeks earlier 😅

  • @S-Theo
    @S-Theo Год назад

    What about the other leg of 16mm CPC ?

  • @rickcostelloe8770
    @rickcostelloe8770 Год назад +1

    Nice bit of kit. What are your thoughts on the enclosure being plastic? I think the ref states something along the lines of consumer units and similar enclosures in domestics should be non combustible. I guess with all connections being non-screw this reduces risks of poor connections.

    • @obd6HsN
      @obd6HsN Год назад +4

      Switchgear or similar. Spring contact connectors aren't switchgear...

    • @unitrader403
      @unitrader403 Год назад +2

      Also im pretty sure this is selt-extinguishing Plastic. This basically means it will combust while inside an open Flame, but as soon as you remove the Flame it will extinguish itself.

  • @charles99958
    @charles99958 Год назад

    I saw an old electrician fit 14, black round 30 amp junction boxes instead of a whisker box. Just to save a bit of money I would have thought.

    • @OldLordSpeedy
      @OldLordSpeedy Год назад +2

      Must look funny. Under the stairs isn't it a problem. 😆🙄

  • @JohnnyMotel99
    @JohnnyMotel99 2 месяца назад

    You marked up the cables with lines to indicate where they go, but then snipped off the part with the lines. I guess a scrap off paper was off camera noting which cable was going where.

  • @HarveyPaul007
    @HarveyPaul007 Год назад

    Can we crowd fund Rick some new gloves 🧤 😂

  • @boblewis5558
    @boblewis5558 Год назад +2

    Just a question that only just occurred to me ... Why "move" the CU if all you're going to do is replace it with **another** box occupying the same space?
    There are usually two reasons for wanting to move a CU:
    1. Convenience of a better location
    2. Being able to free the space occupied for **other** purposes
    This method provides no help for the latter however. Isn't it about time that extending cables with appropriate simple, reliable, in line connectors was sorted out? The poor consumer has to pay enough for Microsoft bloat without domestic wiring doing the same! 🤔🙄

    • @mikewhite5936
      @mikewhite5936 Год назад

      the 2 reasons you gave are 2 of the least used due to cost of relocation the most common 2 are home renovations/conversions and the second is because the current consumer unit is no longer fit for use and the new one wont fit in its place so the new one has to be installed only a short distance away the fast connections of the wiska allow for a regulation approved connection meaning your home is in less chance of (a) catching fire or (b) having wiring faults. sounds a good reason to hit the consumer with another small charge instead of him paying a large bill out in the future us sparks are only looking out for ya wellness.

  • @dazdaz105
    @dazdaz105 Год назад

    Surely two of those neutral connections in the board had to much conductor exposed ?

  • @georgewilliams1294
    @georgewilliams1294 4 месяца назад

    SHOULD THE EXTENSION BOX ALSO BE METAL?

    • @efixx
      @efixx  4 месяца назад

      ruclips.net/video/E2p5ZZJNp30/видео.html

  • @jacktissington
    @jacktissington Год назад +1

    I've ripped so many of those old wylex boards off the wall

  • @pel787
    @pel787 Год назад +5

    They need to just make a bigger box with more ways, much cheaper to buy an adaptable box and a box of wagos

  • @bigissue9179
    @bigissue9179 Год назад +2

    Wiska Consumer Unit Relocation Kit FFS IN REAL TERMS A JUNCTION BOX

  • @seandempsey7351
    @seandempsey7351 Год назад

    Nice bit off kit , looks nice and neat , point one what was the reason for changing and relocating the CU ? I get the point that the cables aren’t long enough too reach the new position but why the change of CU . Consumer units in dwellings page 99 in the onsite guide. Point two Gaz when are we going to see you do the job you’re self. 🤣
    Fantastic video guy’s as always 👍👍👍❤️

    • @JasperJanssen
      @JasperJanssen Год назад +2

      I mean, it’s a pretty old unit with a bunch of alterations - non-original MCBs in use, it’s a dual-RCD one to start with, several MCBs unused… replacing it isn’t a hard requirement, but if the consumer is wanting some new circuits, and/or an rcbo board, or wants the thing moved out of the way, well.

    • @seandempsey7351
      @seandempsey7351 Год назад

      @@JasperJanssen I get your point but duel RCD/split load are still compliant with BS7671 and we can still install them,
      My point was apart from the relocation of the CU I can’t see any reason for changing it’s in good condition now signs of damage exposed conductive parts, now signs of over heating or burning. So as long as his tests give readings as specified in BS7671 the it can be deemed as safe for continued service. Even if it’s an old rewireble fuse box BS7671 is not and can not be back dated. The regs only apply from the date they come in onwards, not backwards.

    • @seandempsey7351
      @seandempsey7351 Год назад

      Oh and there is no need to repeat your comments three times.

    • @Dog-whisperer7494
      @Dog-whisperer7494 Год назад

      @@JasperJanssen it’s only the last two Crabtree MCBs on the left side of CU that are not in use , to the best of my knowledge Crabtree MCBs are compatible with some wylex boards. But I could be wrong.

    • @JasperJanssen
      @JasperJanssen Год назад +1

      @@seandempsey7351 no shit, Sherlock. RUclips isn’t always the most reliable site.

  • @solidus784
    @solidus784 Год назад +5

    I might be being stupid here, but I don't see the purpose in this. You still have a box on the wall and are running cables to the new location anyway. Why not just put a larger board in the same location and run the additional circuits back to it.

    • @GrahamDIY
      @GrahamDIY Год назад

      Agreed it would have been useful to explain the reason to move the consumer unit.
      Usually I see this solution, as in my case, because the existing runs won’t reach the extra few inches to where the new Cu needs to be mounted.
      🤷‍♂️

    • @steve11211
      @steve11211 Год назад +1

      With things like SPD's and the increase in circuits sometimes you need a larger board, some older boards are put in cupboards or even the meter box where even if you wanted to there physically is not enough room so the consumer unit needs to be moved.. It is relatively rare..

    • @solidus784
      @solidus784 Год назад +3

      @@steve11211 It's on a big empty wall 🤷‍♂️

    • @12000gp
      @12000gp Год назад +1

      @@solidus784 in this case yes but they’re just showing off the unit, it’s up to you if and where you use it

    • @solidus784
      @solidus784 Год назад +2

      @@12000gp Yeah clearly they are demoing the unit , but it looks like a real installation to me and not a workbench hence my origiinal question

  • @madhatter61
    @madhatter61 Год назад

    Manufacture an entry point?

  • @enzedpcs2
    @enzedpcs2 Год назад

    Just out off intrest why can this be plastic when fuse has to be metal, yet they have the current/ voltage going through them, makes little sense to me.