Sony FX6 vs Sony FX3 // Which Should You BUY?
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
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0:00 INTRO
0:39 FX6
4:59 FX3
9:08 OUTRO
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Agree on all the points made in the video. I’ve been working on a tv show with my fx6 in full shoulder / tripod mount mode and found that to rig back and forth onto my gimbal took more time than I had given so have opted for the 3 for this purpose but since buying it really see the potential to use it for more B cam work than just a gimbal cam.
Thank you! Yup, I hear you 100%. I also love doing lets say fx6 + long lens then the other cam op on a gimbal with the fx3 and wider lens. It makes for nice coverage
The FX6 would be my dream setup, unfortunately I just can't swing it right now. The FX3 is much more affordable and once I built out a rig that I'm happy with, it cost me just as much as the body alone of the FX6 would have cost me. Plus, I only make YT videos, I dont work on set or don't do anything professional so I don't think I'd be able to justify that extra cost. Internal ND sounds like a dream, but IBIS is much more important for me, and it literally means I dont need a gimbal for what I do. Now that Shutter angle is coming to the FX3, I think I'm super happy in my decision to save a buck and go for the cheaper option. I think one day I would still love to get an FX6 v2 or maybe an FX9 but definitely not right now. They're all great cameras tho!
I’m getting the FX6 & FX3 next two days! Cant wait! 🥳
Which one is better?
I rented both for one day before deciding which one to buy. It was an easy decision. I. bought the FX6. It’s so easy to use it allows me to get home with a lot of more quality footage on any given shoot. I’ve fallen in love with my FX6 and we’re still in the honeymoon phase ❤
If I could only have one, I’d pick an FX6 as well! Glad you’re loving it!
They are the same, the biggest decision factor is probably the IBIS in the FX3 (there is none in the FX6) versus the variable ND in the FX6 (there is none on the FX3). Above that the consideration of the weigh can be important, when using a lot of gimbal, the FX3 wins.
Cool! Thankyou for this video. I'm gonna get the fx3 cause it's cheaper. But maybe the fx6 in the future for bigger productions.
My pleasure! You will love the FX3!
6:10 - XAVC-HS is compressed 10 bit. Watch out though it's H.265 so you'll need a newer computer like the m1 and m2 macs with a dedicated chip to edit these files smoothly!
Awesome video bro!
Thanks dude!
Great video as always Jon 👏 FX6 for sure 👍🏻 but I think I will get the small new FX3 😂 the ZVE1 😅 as a small b-cam
Thank you!! That is a cool little camera. The overheating is a deal breaker for me but its cool to see Sony throwing all their tech into a new tiny cheaper body!
I’ve heard they’re working on adding shutter angle. I believe it was Armando that said he spoke to a Sony rep about it
Thanks for the great video
Thanks Jake!!!
Great Breakdown! I'm Team FX6, but both are powerful.
Thanks dude! Me too (if I could only have one)
Can you please tell me which camera u shot this video with 😅 especially at 6:23
Great comparison 🔥
Thank you!!
Please suggest me a good lens for movie making using fx3 and suggest perfect gimbal and drone also .
FX6 Owner who upgraded from the GH5.
I really like the FX6. I've been using it as a wedding cinema camera since it arrived. I had a massive commercial project last year, but the FX6 order was delayed. The GH5 held up.
The only gripe I have with the FX6 is that it needs a compressed 4K 10bit option, as you mentioned.
I believe Sony can update this in firmware.
That’s a nice upgrade! GH5 is still a great camera. Tbh I don’t mind the larger files for certain projects but sometimes a compressed 10 bit would
Be nice
How do you like FX6 compared to GH5. I am also thinking about making the same switch. Been using GH5 with Sigma 35mm 1.4, I am thinking of getting an FX6 with some DZOFILM Vespid Primes? What do you think?
@@robertouzelac5770 it totally depends where you are at with what you shoot and what your needs are. I am taking the fx6 every time for my current work needs!
fx6 for weddings!!!!!!!!! sh^&* man I would never take my fx6 for weddings, waaaay to heavy and big, you look ridiculous.
You convinced me to go with FX6, especially when you mentioned renting the FX3 for B roll. I have a small production company and want to go all "in house."
Awesome! Yes, 100%. I am in the same boat. Good luck
Great vid, shooting in s-log what settings best match the FX3 and FX6 footage?
Shooting at the low base ISOs in both camera. 800 - FX6. 640 - FX3. Then add phantom luts in post :)
I have an fx3, I love it, but am thinking about upgrading to the fx6, I feel like client perception is real like you mentioned. I want to take my business to a higher level and be associated with the higher budget options when it comes to hiring a filmmaker/production company.
Also, do you think it's too late to get an fx6? When do you think the mark II is likely to come out?
My business completely changed when I purchased an FX6 and I know there is direct correlation. Its totally not too late to get one. With the chip shortages over the last few years I think they will continue to milk this sensor for a while
Hi bro, i buyed Fx3, and I am making a movie using Fx3, so i want to make a movie like cinematic style so which lens are perfect for fx3 and which gimble are good for making movie . Because i will make movies like romantic drama. So please suggest me a good lens for making audience feel as cinematic experience and suggest good gimble.
Subscribed. Great video. I am a FX3 owner right now and need a B-Cam. Do I get the FX30 or upgrade my A-Cam to the Fx6? Haha so many options. I would love to own a FX6 and feel it would up the professionalism of my business.
Thanks! Totally depends on what type of work you do. I can vouch for the FX6 + FX3 combo. Fx30 sacrifices a bit of the dynamic range and low light capabilities but still an excellent cam - esp at the cost.
Thank i for video. İ have fx3 and i was planing to buy fx6 i was so close to buy but after this video i will next flag ship sony camera ❤️
Thanks for watching Osman! The future of Sony is exciting for sure. Cheers!
Informative video on sony FX6.
Thanks!
I have the fx3 and I can’t wait to get my hands on the fx6
Both great cams!!
same here
I budget wasn’t an issue, definitely both lol. However, I have been going back and forth trying to decide if I want the Fx3 or 30 as an A cam to my my A7iv.
Hahah true! The rolling shutter on the a7iv makes it a no go for me. But the true hybrid nature of it is very intriguing.
Ah! The perfect videographer to ask…
I’ll be shooting some theater scenes in NYC and I’m trying to see IF I can get by with a Sony FX3 given that the lighting can be highly controlled…
It’s not only is it about the higher rental cost of the the FX6 ecosystem… but the size of the files written out demanding (10?) more NAS storage for editing…
The deciding factor may just be that the final product is only intended for smart phones or tablet… maybe a laptop?
(There’s also some question about shooting under the theaters tungsten lights or (and?) my Aputure LEDS…)
100%. If you need to save on budget and space on media, the FX3 is perfect.
Well, I ended up going with the Alpha 1 😂
When I read about the specs for the video chip and how it was in the ballpark of Red and Arri chips - it was kinda a well thought out “no-brainer” - since I will always be shooting under controlled lights with little - action - so shutter curtain won’t be an issue.
Yes, it will take more GB to shoot ProRes or S-log but that is only an option… I can still shoot HD if needs be - and with a superior sensor and processor - and, to be honest, I was able to put it on my Dell Pfd account and pay over 12 months sooo… roll the dice!
Great video...
There is a question that remains as I plan to invest on a FX6 and a FX3: Are they still worthy in 23/24?
Or, to put it in another way: For how long will they be worthy?
Should I wait for something new in this range or not?
Thank you! 100% yes. I actually have a video coming out soon about this question (particularly the FX6).
@@jonwaldman94 Great!!! I’ll stay tuned 👍🏻
FX6 is very easy to mount onto the RS3 pro with a gm 16-35 or 24-70 so i feel like its not a comparison point between that and the fx3
Sure yes but its still objectively easier to mount a smaller camera package.. My FX6 has a lot more accessories on It (v mount, etc) and It would take a bit to take It off and fly on a ronin. Its much easier for me to throw my smaller B cam on a Gimble.
@@jonwaldman94 you could say the same for someone who only has an fx3 rigged up with accessories, but yeah if you have a b cam with nothing on it then sure!
I agree. I have both as well. The FX-3 is great for gimbal work and steady shots handheld. Other than that the FX-6 is better suited for all of my needs for corporate video production.
Thanks! 100%. FX6 is a corporate beast - which is what most of my work is.
@@jonwaldman94 if your looking for steady handheld footage the FX-3 with that image stabilization is your camera. If you’re going to throw a camera on a tripod, the FX-6 all day.
great post! once you start watching jon waldman’s youtube videos, you’re not gonna wanna go back to not watching jon waldman’s youtube videos.
WOW. Love you dubs
Great points all around, not having 180 is insane. You can’t call it a real cinema camera without shutter angle
Thanks Jose! Seriously. It should have been with the camera at release date.
Come on. If it ticks pretty much all the boxes but uses fractions instead of degrees for shutter speed, it's still a cinema camera. Holy crow. If it had 15 stops of dynamic range but only shot rec709 I'd agree with you. But come on.
If it's not visible in the footage or prohibiting you from using the camera as a cinema camera in any other way, whatever you dont like about it does not make it less of a cinema camera. It just makes it quirky.
I think y’all confused. Shutter angle and shutter speed are the same thing but they have different units. The shutter speed is how long the sensor is exposed. And same thing for shutter angle. These cameras don’t have a mechanical shutter like film cameras. If they did you wouldn’t be able to change it. And you would still need to change the frame rate with shutter angle
I agree to you that the FX6 ist the more professional camera with its features and its look, but as a b-camera I bought the A7IV instead of the FX3 because of the better photo resolution, the sharper video image due to the 7k oversampling and the cheaper price. All the features that are missing at the A7IV compared to the FX3 I have one my FX6...
That’s totally fair! Does the rolling shutter bother you on the a7iv?
@@jonwaldman94
Hi Jon,
I don't have any issues with the rolling shutter, because I use the A7IV mainly on the Ronin-S to achieve smooth camera movements or as a b-camera with a wideangle lens mounted on a tripod without operator. For the close-ups and Action shots I take the FX6 on a tripod or handheld.
The overheating ist the bigger issue for me for example when documenting a theatrical play. During the static wideangle shot the A7IV once had shut down after 1:15 hours in 1080p25 but with the monitor closed and a bluetooth connection to my mobile phone.
Kind regards
Claus
does it match color wise? I have an fx3 looking at a a7iv as a b cam photography camera to replace my a6600
@@tonyamartin1425
Yes they match very well either in S-Log 3 or in S-Cinetone. And when colorgrading with the Phantom LUTs I take those for the FX6 for my FX6 and those for the A7S3 for the A7IV as recommended. You surely won't be dissapointed using the A7IV as a b-camera for the FX3.
@@clausschuessler looks like it it be a b cam for the fx6 moving on up lol
strongly considering the FX3 after this one!
Nice Ben! You will be happy!
Yoru shadow noise is excellent vs some other tests and raw footage I have seen. I'm curious if you apply any post noise reduction or run at a higher in camera noise reduction, OR if you rate the iso a little differently and over expose by 1-2 stops. My understanding is that the FX6 applies less in camera noise reduction because it dissipates heat much better than the fx3 and since the sensor gets less hot it's less noisy (but this is kinda of a guess, since Sont won't really comment on this).
Thanks Aaron!! I keep my noise reduction on high in camera on the FX6. It seems to work nice. For High base ISO's I always tend to expose a bit hotter. I think the low base is a bit more forgiving. You need more light for the high base for cleaner results in my opinion
@@jonwaldman94 Good to know. I've seen a lot of shooters expose to the right at least 1-2 stops for clean shadows, but good to know your in camera noise reduction is set to high. Do you shoot in cine-ei mode?
@@avdcam For low base you really don't need to imo. As long as you preserve your highlights! I honestly shoot in custom mode and set my profile to s log 3. I will bump the iso between 800 - 1250/1600 before going to the high base 12,800. IMO thats still a cleaner image :)
but for the most part (90%) I stick to 800 or 12800
@@jonwaldman94 Good to know. I've seen such a mix bag of work with noisy shadows, but yours was very strong work, keep it up!
As a FX3 owner I can say: buy the SH2. And if you cant wait for it, take the S5IIx.
Coconut Grove!!
Fx3 ❤
The FX6 with its ND build in and shutter angle is a no brainer.I would buy a FX3 as a B-cam but opted for the A7-4 wich also gives me the capability to shoot high resolution pics and save some money for other tools.If I’m not busy with video work the a7-4 pays the bills with photos.😊
100%! A74 is also great for hybrid work. The rolling shutter on a74 is the only thing thats kinda swayed me away from It. I shoot photos with an a7riii. At some point, I would love a good hybrid.
The fx3 recently gotten one 180°
Shutter
@@TolarRay what makes you say that? It doesn't have shutter angle.
If I'm not wrong, the fx3 got the firmware update for the shutter angle, can someone confirm this?
Yes! It’s coming finally :)
I have the FX9. Considering an FX3. How would you compare them?
I've never used an fx9 so I can't speak to It!
trade ya lol
Basketball clip makes the cut 🏀
Owning an FX6 usually helps you get booked on gigs with other production companies or TV Networks rather than owning a non-Sony.
🔥🔥🔥 yessir! I hear that
Bro whats your export settings on primere if you use it
For this video I did QuickTime - pro res
@@jonwaldman94 wait why did you choose pro res, did you even shoot pro res
You actually use an easyrig for an fx6?
All the time yes. My when built out is 14lbs or so
Hey my man are you upstate or nyc ? I’m a one man band type filmmaker who would love to make some portfolio work to showcase to brands with people who take this seriously as you do
NYC! What about you?
@@jonwaldman94 upstate Ny but i have family in nyc …you have insta?
I don’t get it. If having 180 literally 2x your shutter, then what’s the problem? This is literally something you can take 5 seconds to adjust to.
I’ m all for time saving options don’t get
Me wrong, but this being a singular call-out doesn’t make sense.
the FX3 is designed for faster workflow so they alter the image slightly by boosting saturation and sharpness. the FX6 is much more natural, and has better highlight rolloff
Agreed!
No XAVC-S is the only reason preventing me from buying an FX6. It safes sooo much space and in return cost of drives afterwards. In all tests online you see barely a difference between Intra and XAVC-S when you have a lot of movement and punch in the image.
Totally fair!
The real difference is in post-production when it comes to editing. XAVC-S I all-intra is much easier to handle for any decent computer, scrubbing in the timeline is absolutely seamless, no need to transcode.
Unless editing on a Mac with Apple silicon processor like M1/M2 Max which have dedicated media engine hardware, all-intra is much more suitable for editing.
Hope that helps.
I heard from loads of directors, it’s better to have two cameras shooting a scene all at once in different angles to save money and time.
There is a ton of truth to that!
That’s not controversial at all imo, the FX6 has a better image unless you’re shooting ProRes Raw - same sensor, but different processing. That’s because the FX3 has very aggressive Noise Reduction and sharpening going on (that you can’t turn off)
The only thing is the price. I would 100% get the fX6. $6,000 is a bit steep. If the image is basically the same then maybe the FX3 is for me. But those built in ND filters and shutter angle. I am so torn. Does someone want to buy me one? 😂
I hear you. Depending on what type of work you do, I say its 1000% worth the cost. I think its the best bang for buck cinema camera on the market.
3:44 why you think the fx6 has a better image than the fx3 is definitely something that is akin to why your clients are impressed when they see the fx6 as opposed to a barebone fx3. it's called placebo
Imo the FX3 just feels a bit more digitally sharpened. You also can't turn off noise reduction. Something about the FX6 feels slightly more organic. I can't put my finger on It.
and yes, I have turned down sharpening in camera
what lens at 6:29?
Sony 24 - 70mm f2.8 GM I + Hollywood black magic 1/8 filter
@@jonwaldman94 thank you boss!!!
❤️👍
They just shot a complete sci-fi feature that is releasing in theaters with the fx3. Disney, 20 Century lol
What's the name?
the guy in the video looks exactly like me shiii
One year later and the FX3 has 180 shutter angle now 😄
Finally!!!
@@jonwaldman94 indeed, I really don’t understand why they couldn’t fix it right away!
What about fx30?
I’ve never used it so I can’t compare!
really hope the next iteration of the fx6 has a downsampled 6k image, that's when I'll make the jump.
I still can't believe the FX3 doesn't have shutter angle. Blows my mind
Seriously!
@00:30 spoiler alert ? I clicked on the video to know stuff 😂 you are not spoiling anything
Whoops :)
When the movie "The Creator" was filmed with the Sony Fx3 entirely..wonder what everyone thinks now
Yup. It’s an amazing camera!
It only takes .50 seconds to calculate shutter speed to = 180. Take your frame rate and double it. If you are shootong at 30 frame...just double it and you get 60. (1/60) This takes me .5 seconds to figure out but even smarter guys could do that math even faster. No big deal 😂
Yeah it’s pretty quick and easy especially since you’re really only shooting 24 fps or 48/60 so you’re really only need to remember two adjustments.
It's not really about how much time it takes, but rather how convenient it is to set it once and not really think about it again.
It's super easy but when possible I prefer SA vs SS and I feel like Sony really should include it in the FX3(30) since it's part of the cinema line up.
@@kendrickvarela_ I respect that, but I feel like that’s more of a “content creator” issue. If you’re on a set with a AC or even on your own it isn’t that much of an inconvenience to make the switch from one to the other, especially if for the most part you’re sticking with one frame rate.
@@yosoyadae I agree with it being a content creator problem. I was AC'ing over the weekend and we had a crispy 12 hour day running 2 Komodos going from interviews to BROLL and while we never had an issue with frame rates and shutter, it's times like that where you really do appreciate it.
Truth be told, the only thing I want is the option to have it so I can use it moments like that.
With shutter angle you set 180° and literally never have to touch it again
Any time you change frame rate it's still 180°
Also 1/50 isn't true 180° of 24fps because it's technically 1/48
Sony had to patch the FX3 to add this
Or you know, they could have just done shutter angle.....
Nobody talks about audio in 120fps on the fx3 vs fx6 lol Sony has been slacking on FX6 updates smh
Good call but honestly I am not using any scratch audio in 120 fps clips.
@@jonwaldman94 I shoot a lot of fishing stuff and sometimes I’ll use my fx3 in 120fps while recording audio from a lav
It’s such a simple thing imo idk who thought the fx6 shouldn’t get that option
@@Dyeheartxfire Ohh gotcha! Yes, I agree. and 120fps is only available in s&q mode in x AVC I I am pretty sure on the fx6. Thats probably why we can't get audio
My choice: fx6+fx30.
Interested why you would go fx30 over fx3? (besides cost)
@@jonwaldman94 1: fx30 has a much sharper image. 2: fx6 and fx3 lack s35 options. for me, the combination is more versatile for making different kinds of works.
What I learned from all of this is that once you start you’re not gonna want to go back 😅
It’s true 🤣
You almost got it right but not quite… The FX3 is slightly better image quality because it has less noise. Also, I would never buy the FX3 because the viewfinder on the A7S3 is the best EVF I’ve ever seen. If you ever have to manually focus… No problem with the a7S3… I defy you to do it on the FX3 unless you’re 20 years old with perfect vision. Built out the a7S3 With a cage or a gimbal and I’ll take that over the FX6 any day .
none
Then what is your camera of choice?
@@jonwaldman94 Pentax Q
You can buy what you like, if you have the money, not sure why I have to listen to your opinion?
Answer to your title question is non of them, Canon C70 is more superior even with super35 sensor.