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M1 vs. Intel MacBook Pro in Ableton Live | A Practical Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 13 авг 2024
- #MusicProduction #Ableton #Apple #MacBookProM1
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🎦 FOLLOW UP VIDEO: Ableton running native: • Native M1 vs. Rosetta ...
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📝 VIDEO DESCRIPTION: A comparison of the highest performance 13" Intel i7 vs M1 MacBook Pro in Ableton Live using 4 practical test cases.
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📔 CHAPTERS:
00:00 Introduction
01:00 Setup
02:22 Round 1 - Project load time
02:46 Round 2 - Track freeze time
03:58 Round 3 - Export time
04:31 Round 4 - Buffer size
06:29 Summary
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🎦 Follow up video with Ableton running native: ruclips.net/video/cVNEKOOUjXg/видео.html
And this is with the M1 emulating Ableton through Rosetta 2. I'll wait for a test when Ableton has a native Silicon app!
I'm holding onto the same project file for when this happens. Looking forward to see the result and will definitely share!
@Tronam will ableton 11 be completely written for m1?
@@jamest3336 it will, over time. Ableton Live 11 is due out in 2 days out of beta and it’ll only be for intel based Macs, although their Support page that an Apple Silicon version will be available “in the future”.
@@FernandoDCDuarte ye, its because they have to write all the codes that the ableton team was working along the time to make it compatible with arm architecture, fl studio have a bit easier because they make a movile version of FL, so they already have a point to start
@@FlowProdOfficial It would probably make sense to compare the machines using two identical optimised softwares? I am guessing that would, unfortunately, have to be Logic Pro X as nothing else is available? Actually would love to see how a fully maxed out Logic Pro X performs on the M1 compared to the older Intel machine.
Bro the buffer size on the m1 is outstanding!
One of the most informative videos on the M1 vs Intel with Ableton. Keep up the great work!
this is top notch testing and editing... really good job
True man
@marq lmao
This is the niche content I subscribed for.
"Now we've just got dubstep"
I can't tell you how hard that made me laugh as a dubstep producer that heard that clip and thought "you could probably resample that into something" 😭😂
The fact that you can get an entry level M1 Mac Mini for like $650 to $700 and get that same M1 processor which runs great on Ableton through Rosetta is amazing. In theory you can get something like the $200 LaunchKey37 MIDI and a $700 Mac Mini with M1 and have a whole studio for under $1K (minus the cost of the software for Ableton 11). Not bad at all considering what it's capable of. At the end of the day maybe $1500 to $2000 for a 'full setup' that you can produce real music and projects with. The barrier to entry has gotten much better for newcomers like me who are newbies and just want to learn the programs.
What do I need with a mac mini? Only a monitor screen?
This is a PRODUCER's video, thank you so much for your comprehensive review! We need more sharing of knowledge as producers!
I have spent a good month on RUclips attempting to get a handle on how the M1 brood handles music production. This was the vid I was looking for. Though I use different DAW, I'm fairly certain that the results would be similar. And...it was fun to watch! Thx.
This test is only for ableton because on M1 you need Rosetta to use ableton. Your using another app while using ableton. What daw do you use?
@@milim3135 I use Studio One 5. I like the aesthetic and workflow. It's a beautiful thing on my new M1 Macbook Air. Unfortunately my Behringer USB interface will not play nice and will have to be replaced.
I use Ableton mainly for Live Performances and have a huge Project with >50 Tracks, mostly Ableton Synths or Drums. When I opened that Project on my new M1 Macbook Pro 16GB, the CPU load was at 78% (and was going >90% when I performed). On a borrowed 2018 Intel i7 Macbook Pro, the CPU load after opening the project was at 3% (!). Gonna switch to an Intel Macbook till Ableton gets optimized for Apple Silicon.
Interesting how we both get two very different results. Maybe a Session/Arrangement-View issue?
That's interesting. How was the audio quality in that project on the M1? I have noticed that the Ableton CPU meter value on the M1 can go quite high even though the project still runs really smoothly.
For production, it worked fine and just like you said. The CPU meter value was really high but you could work normally. For Live Performing it was different somehow: Depending on the instrument, up to 50 tracks playing at the same time were working well, but then the audio began to get buggy. That was at about 200% CPU load. I now have a 2020 13" i5 2,0 Ghz 16GB Macbook Pro which runs much better with Live Performing: Up to 100 Tracks without an error. Needless to say it sucks against the M1 at every other task :D
Great comparison video, My Intel Mac was stolen and I don't regret buying the new M1 13" 16GB of memory. Only thing I wish it had more ports. Oh well this is still a good machine.
Thanks for the video. I use my MacBook exclusively for ableton and making videos. Going to go from 2011 pro to m1 air
This was a great "real world" video that was incredibly helpful!! Thanks!!
It looks like Ableton runs native on Apple silicon now !
How about round two ? :)
Working on it as we speak!
You should have used live 11 because it already was optimized for the m 1
I’d be interested to know how the M1 is as far as wear on your SSD. Apparently the way it caches to the SSD is greatly improved due to the way everything is integrated but a lot of people are getting readings that they’ve burned through 10%of the use cycle on their SSD in only a month. Not great news given that with everything being integrated you’re looking at the whole logic board needing to be replaced if that is indeed the case.
Yes it’s true. Even with RAM headroom when barely using anything macOS already caches in the most commonly used apps as swap ssd as well. I have returned my M1 since basically everything is running under Rosetta right now and that way even the battery life is not so outstanding. In a couple of months there will be new macs so hopefully those will be better
I thought write cycles would be the damaging factor for ssds. How does the caching on the ssd work? Is there an even faster memory inside the ssd used only for caching?
@@TheOfficalAndI yes the write cycles are the ones to look out for. By caching I mean the OS loads in stuff into memory or swap ahead of execution. I am not talking about ssd cache Hw
thanks for this! The buffer size is by far the most important thing for me, like hundreds of times more of an upgrade to my workflow than anything else. I do wish you had done a project with more 3rd party plugins though, since lately my projects are like 90% 3rd party, and I bet those are worse optimized for M1... or are they?
3rd party plugins are not at all optimzed for M1. Also, the entire Ableton is running under translation, so you can’t even install arm vsts since the translated Ableton will only run intel version vsts
@@zeus1117 I wonder if it's possible to still run intel based vsts in the rosetta layer when ableton runs natively.
@@TheOfficalAndI you will get even worse performance and constant crashes. That is what is happening on Logic which is already native. Everyone uses that via rosetta so that the vsts run normal and don’t open up one by one a rosetta application layer. What a crap.
@@zeus1117 That's pretty important to know, thanks. If apple can't make those wrappers work, ableton surely wouldn't have a better implementation.
@@TheOfficalAndI work or not work I surely would expect better than intel performance. Which is not the case, only if everything is native for M1. The worst thing is that even the RAM and SSD usage is way up there when dealing with this situation compared to native apps.
Apple will finally erase these technical issues and let musicians solely focus on their craft with as little hassle and load times as possible. Steve jobs was light years ahead of his time
Great video Flow Prod. The most important test for me was the Buffer Size test. I was holding my breathing at 5:46 just waiting to see the results. What relief!
Sold my MacBook Pro i7. Now using M1 Air. Absolutely happy. Silence, low weight, no heat and monster battery.
Not familiar with Ableton. Is freezing a track similar to bouncing in other DAWs?
Pretty much, except you have the option to unfreeze at any time to make changes to the underlying devices/plugins/MIID
The fan on the m1 is intentionally made so that it doesn't start that often and it doesn't get to high rpm. I installed an app that handles the fan because it kept getting hot. (I use a lot of virtualisation stuff)
Also, expect some problems, especially with graphic (3D) apps.
This is top-drawer knowledge, thanks for sharing this.
duuude.... BEST video in this regard
“Now we’ve just got dubstep” 🤣
I'm using Ableton with Waves Plugins and FabFilter Plugins, should I get the M1? please someone help i gotta change my laptop ASAP, i'm just afraid that all the plugins will have a hard time running on M1
Damn the editing and sound design of this video is amazing
New sub! Exactly what i was lookin for
Amazing, thank you!
Please make a follow up video as ableton now runs on arm64 natively.. use the existing scores from the intel laptop and compare it with the new ableton release for arm64 on the m1
Working on it as we speak!
The quality of your video is just amazing. Very well put together. I subbed.
wow one of the most useful video around
I really appreciate this video - the content was terrific and to the point and the extra stuff you included was very tasteful and entertaining. Great job!
Gracias por este video!! Me hacía muchísima falta!!! Gracias
this was extremely helpful. I'm waiting a few days till they announce the new MacBook's, just to see how that shakes out. But you just sold me on this one, and answered all my questions...Thank you!!
Would have liked to see how many channels with plug-ins both systems could handle before buckling.
(Edit) Liked and subscribed!!!
It's not a fair matchup if you're using Rosetta on the M1.
I'm going to leave it for a few generations before upgrading to apple silicone...but the future looks promising! My audio interface (UAD) doesn't even officially support it yet! Although I can sees you are using it!
Excellent video. But wouldn’t it be more helpful to compare both models with the same Ram configuration? The M1 was in a clearly disadvantageous position here.
Tanke you! it's a very helpful video and a very clear comparison you made.
Should I go Intel or m1?? For music production and DJ (rekordbox and serato dj pro)
One heck of a video here! For me it’s intel. Most if not all vsts running under translation eating up more ram (so swap ssd since there is little ram in M1 macs), the battery life also dies the same way if you don’t have native arm apps and processes.
Very Well Done! Thank you!
This was one of the most decent reviews I've ever seen. Nice work with the animations and sound effects. Looking forward to see further vids. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it :)
I've got about $800 to spend on a new computer, I can easily get the 13" M1 with 8gigs RAM, even found some around 500. I can't seem to find a 16gig one for around that price. I don't know if I should get an 8gig m1 or a 16gig intel model. I will say that I have a Saffire Pro 20 and I can go down to 64 samples with my 2010 MacBook without glitching, which has only 8gigs of Ram but I can't use effects as much as I'd like.
Super review! Thanks! Especcially the buffer size I was interested in.
Any interest on using this video to compare with the performance of M1 on Ableton 11.1? Big up!
Working on it as we speak!
@@FlowProdOfficial lots of love and appreciation for the work 💪
I bought a Macbook Pro M1 with 16 GB ram and have to say I'm pretty disappointed with the Ableton performance so far. I have to increase te buffer rate very quickly after just a few presets and so far it's not doing much better than my 2015 MBP. Any ideas why this could be?
Thank you for this. Extremely relevant tests.
I don't have a computer monitor, keyboard, mouse.. Budget in $1000 Macmini M1 16GB or Imac 5k 2015 i5 3.2/8GB/1TB?
Since you don't have a keyboard, mouse etc. you might consider a MacBook Air. It still uses apple silicon so it won't become obsolete any time soon and it only has one CPU core less than the Mac Mini M1.
but can you use all plugins that you have used before on your intel Macbook?
Excellent video, thank you for making it.
REALLY a well-done amd timely video. Thank you very much!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it
So the highest performing Intel processor on a Mac is a quad core processor? Even the basic ones now usually have 6 cores. What is the actual model of the Intel processor in this comparison?
Btw project load time depends on the hard drive speed and not the processor, which should obviously be better in newer models.
Freezing and exporting tracks are tasks that use the cpu heavily.
The Apple computers do not seem to be worth their price
Noticed you didn’t do a max track test with basic track running onboard instruments compression, eq and an fx, maybe reverb.....
I would disagree that this is the highest intel model as I had one with 64 gigs of RAM and upgraded graphics. But nevertheless, this was a great test and informative. Was definitely surprised to see the freeze times on the intel beating the M1
Sorry I should have emphasised that this is for 13" models.
This was great info! I've got a 2019 16" MBP with the i9 chip, and unless I handcuff it with Turbo Boost Switcher, even just opening an empty Ableton session causes the fan to spin up. I'm letting things bake a bit longer, and seeing what news we get of the M1x, but I'm very excited to upgrade.
1:15
Ableton is running on intel architecture.
finally a practical comparison instead of benchmarks
Greetings. How do you use Rosetta? Was this done through Rosetta? If the app is not compatible on Bigsur/Apple M1 will the app automatically open through Rosetta? Thanks.
Hi Andrew thanks for watching. All this happens automatically in the background. To find out if a specific app has been written to run natively on the M1 (i.e. without Rosetta) it's a case of going to the website of that specific app to find out.
Wow. Top Notch Comparison. Thank you !
excellent test setup 👍 thanks 🙏
Well made video, gratz :)
I spent weeks trying to figure it out, finally got an answer!
Thks
Did you buy it?
very useful info, thank you!
wow, Flow Prod you are my M10! this video was another level!
Thank you very much! What about higher sample rates like 96 kHz or higher, would love to know how the M1 deals with it in comparison
Do you have a PC with which to perform a comparison?
I'm a PC, but the M1 might be what eventually turns me into a Mac.
LIKED and subscribed! Wish there was a way to repost this though on youtube. This is a phenomenal test!
That's very kind of you ☺️
infinite thanks, wonderfull video
Another great video. Thanks for what you do!
And now we’ve just got dub step😂
Wow, this Video is incredible! Thank you!
incredibly helpful, thank you
Thanks so much for doing this! Was Ableton running on native ARM or emulated instructions with Rosetta?
amasing man! great video
I would say Buffer size is the most important out of all of these IMPO
Hello and thank you for these informations. Is it possible to Use the Push 2 with Bigsure? And With Mac M1? Thank you
Thanks for watching, yes my Push 2 seems to work fine on my Mac M1 running on Big Sur
Gr8 review. Would love a sanity check here: im edging toward an m1 (& ableton 10) on the assumption that Ableton will be native/ARM ready in a year or two. When that happens ill get latest native ableton, which will be able to fully use the m1 chip, and have the same/better performance as an i9 etc. Is this a smart choice? Thx
That certainly sounds wise. If I wasn't needing a new MacBook right away then I would probably have waited for Apple to release the rumoured M1X MacBook before going all in.
preciate the rundown 🙏🏼
I love your editing style
Thanks for this video!
This is the Video I needed!
"I'm not made of money..." - this guy giving it to us straight. +1
Great video, thank you!
So I guess ARM it really power efficient and has tons of IO bandwidth. With new ARM processors in a higher powerband just around the corner, I think it's about time for X86 to finally retire for good.
Great Video! Well done!
I’m looking to get my hands on an Apollo Twin X. I’ll be using Ableton as well for recording audio.
Will you be doing any tutorials on your work flow using universal audio Apollo’s for recording?
Thanks!
Thank you! I'll make a note of that and see what I can do
Nice. Can’t wait for apps to take advantage. Looking to get a M1 Mac Mini unless the iMac has a decent price / performance. Have to wait and see.
Ya had me at the R KELLY!!!!! Bro Great video! and funny at the same time!!!
The best video on RUclips
Hey, ableton updated the 11 beta for better Apple silicon performance (even tho it still runs under Rosetta), could you test it?? :)
Nice! That bodes well for the official release. Great spot!
Sorry, I missed the last bit where you asked me to test it! Sadly I'm not on the 11 beta program but I'll be sure to re-run the test when the official release comes out.
@@FlowProdOfficial thank you very much
I’m going to hold out on getting a Mac mini with an M1 chip until Ableton gets updated for it...but I’m really excited to see what an M1 does already
I'll let you know something more. If you get the same spec Macbook Air with the M1 and take the back cover off and apply thermal conductivity pads on the thermal areas so that essentially the entire back aluminum cover becomes a heatsink it will outperform the Macbook pro and also have better battery life. Linus on Linus Tech Tips did it in a video on RUclips. It also won't have fans to make noise and that also can fail.
I could get too hot for putting it on your lap though.
What is the price difference?
Thanks for this video! 🙂
Isn’t the M1 just a new i5 processor? How does it perform so well??!!
You are not going to mention that the Intel model has double the RAM of the M1?
Super informative video! Did you say you ran the M1 on an external display and yet no fan noise?
Yup!
@@FlowProdOfficial Sold! 🤩
Best test ever for normal humans like us hahaha I’m sold with the buffer size
Amazing job dude you have my subscription! I'm probably going to get a M1X because i haven't upgraded my MacBook pro since 2011! Definitely hoping Ableton will be optimised for M1 by the release of the M1X 🤞🏽
The M1X sounds like it's going to be a real beast. I'm excited for you!
Any idea when ableton will become native to m1?
hopefully when 11 comes out
Still debugging 11 for Intel (I'm participating in the beta test community), as much as I would like 11 released soon - I've got my upgrade on order, from what I've seen of the Beta it needs more time for features to be tweaked and bugs squashed, let alone rewrite for Apple silicon. I have M1 mini with Ableton 11 Beta, it's not stable enough yet plus some of the new features and layouts need to be refined further IMHO. Genuinely needs time to elapse, then it will be awesome.
@@Burnout_AU 2022?
so this means its safe to upgrade to big sur?