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Lee Anderson goes wild, Jacob Rees-Mogg backs Shamima Begum and Lindsay Hoyle hangs on | Podcast #41
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- Опубликовано: 25 фев 2024
- The gang is back after a wild weekend of politicking in Westminster and beyond.
First we delve into the latest in Lee Anderson's standoff with the Tory party, after refusing to apologise for his Islamophobic rant against Sadiq Khan.
Then, we take a look at Jacob Rees-Mogg's op-ed going against the Court's move to uphold the decision to strip Shamima Begum of her citizenship.
Oli also sat down with Andy Hayward to mark the release of his film Warped By War: Inside Putin's Russia.
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I live in 30p Lee's constituency. Tonight leaving Asda overheard a man saying to his wife, "Fucking 30p Lee makes us all look like bigots."
😂
he's not wrong.
look like? no.
it makes you all bigots.
why is he 30p-Lee? is it because that's what he puts on his tax return?
Its 33p Lee(inflation)
Are we going to talk about the fact that Oli was just a floating head and pair of hands?
No one’s talking about it!!
So he’s holly from Red Dwarf?
I mean so was Ava… poor Ed and his lone torso
That might explain why he sounded like he was underwater. Perhaps it was just the lack of lungs.
Thank you, this made me smile and I couldn't unsee it
saw an interview with begum where she said she loved mint aeros, case closed shes a brit for better or worse.
Pickled onion Monster Munch is the true test of Britishness. Anyone can eat a mint aero
“She’s a Brit” - not anymore 😎
Lee Rigby? Begum's friend's father was in the group with Anjam ranting and raving on his megaphone as was the man who beheaded Lee - perhaps you could check the veracity of this
"No strumming while streaming" is a t-shirt that deserves to exist.
As an American who watches this podcast due to Ed, Oli and Ava being so entertaining; can't help but wonder why I cannot purchase a shirt that says "love podcast, hate nonsense." I'm literally about to pay a stranger on Etsy to make me one.
Is that what you think was being said?... 😂
It's "hate nonces" mate. As in the slang term for pedophile.
😂😂😂nonsense 😂😂😂😂😂 you've made my day. Its our British accents I guess. Lol sorry I'm not going to correct you, I'm going to hell i know 😂😂😂😂😂
Omg now I have to know what they're saying
My captions must not be able to understand Oli's accent either! Says "love podcast hate nonsense!"
The brain only finishes developing and maturing in the mid-to-late 20s. The prefrontal cortex, responsible for planning, prioritising and making good decisions, is one of the last parts of the brain to mature. Shamima was 15 and therefore a child with a lot of mental maturing left to do. This government has made an example of her for spitefull reasons. Windrush also took away citizenship from people for no good reason after they had worked here for decades. This is becoming a very nasty country.
Comparing how the media and centrists in the Labour Party stitched up Corbyn over antisemitism and how the Tory party has genuinely been rife with Islamophobia for years doesn’t sit right with me. It’s almost been taken as the historical truth that corbyn’s Labour was antisemitic from the top down, whereas the opposite has been shown through all jazeera’s the Labour files and Martin Forde’s report. Annoyed to see the old lines get regurgitated on here once again. Still love the podcast though chaps:))
Sorry just came back to say thanks for Ava saying the question was a false equivalence- yaaaaasss queen
I actually paused the podcast and got a little angry with this premise at this exact moment until I saw your comment calling it out. Now I can calmly return to enjoying the podcast since Ava picks up on this! 😅
41:00 no one seems to highlight how much of an asset she could be in learning how these girls are being recruited and help prevent it happening…
That's a very good point - who has a better knowledge of extremists and radicalisation than someone they successfully radicalised?
This week has been so awful that I have sent a letter to my MP
Have loved it the last week or so since Ed has dropped any benefit of the doubt to the Tories.
If Shamina had been a white, blond, middle class 15 year old when she was groomed, what would the narative have been?
Child indoctrinated and kidnapped needs to be saved
@@seagull9000you missed out “kidnapped by grooming gang.”
‘Kidnapped by Muslim grooming gang’
We don't have to speculate there's Rhiannan Rudd. She was treated as a victim of the group who indoctrinated her, rather than the greatest enemy of the state
Can anyone see what's different between Rhiannan and Shamina?
She'd be doing Love Island!!
I think a lot of people are overlooking a crucial point for the Gaza vote - despite both being labelled "ceasefire motions" the SNP motion was significantly stronger than Labour's. The SNP demanded a ceasefire, Labour demanded a ceasefire only if Hamas stop ALL violence, with the explicit statement that if Hamas doesn't then Israel should be free to continue.
That's an ENORMOUS difference. Labour's motion effectively greenlights the current action (Hamas is still being violent, so Israel is fine to continue) whereas the SNP demanded a ceasefire right now (obviously they also want Hamas to stop too, but they don't say that it's fine to continue slaughtering Palestinian children with complete impunity if they don't).
This should all be obvious - there would be no reason for Labour to lobby for their motion to be put in there if they only wanted the same thing as the SNP did. This was specifically designed so Labour could pretend they've called for a ceasefire to try and appease the millions of voters who are angry that they haven't, while reassuring their Zionist support that nothing will change.
This descended into wonderful chaos. 😂
And yes, flick the bean.
"Feeding your own pony" is a phrase that will stop me ever feeling comfortable at a farm now, cheers for that...
Yes please stop giving the conservative party credit for having any morality and stop saying what happened to Corbyn was anything but a hit job from the friends of Israel crowd. It is getting ridiculous
I watch a lot of Politics Joe and I really like what you're doing. But I went from laughing about the idea of people getting angry about 'Islamists' on drugs at Glastonbury to pissed off at the rewriting of history over antisemitism in the Labour party. Why do you say that the leadership stuck their head in the sand when surely you know that the party were working against the leader's team and it was only when Corbyn and Jenny Formby intervened that the process started to improve? It was Ian McNicol's crowd who were at fault, not LOTO.
Thank you folks..❤
Eva nailed the Tories on Islamophobia. It's not the accusation they don't like, it's the fact it's stopping them push their other talking points in interviews
If the Tories could be quietly islamophobic, that would suit them just fine...
Tuning your own guitar? Upside down flossing? Candy flossing?
Ed should be dispatched to Kidderminster or Evesham, in Worcestershire, if he wants to visit some interesting market towns!
I have to say having just got back from a few days in London calling out the huge wealth disparities between Moscow and the rest of Russia really makes me think of how aware Londoners are about the same problem up North and especially outside England. Wales and Scotland are pretty grim when compared to London nowadays. It wasn't anywhere near as bad even 10 years ago.
Luv and Peace.
"no strum when streaming" is the only thing I'll remember from this pod😂
Greetings from Prague everyone.
Boo!
Woooo, personally I found it to be a very interesting and welcoming place
Well Czech you out.
The problem with the anti-Islam sentiment is that when it comes to critism of Judaism, there is a very clear line of what's acceptable, and sometimes people will get in trouble for even just approaching the line, without even crossing it, but there isn't such a universally recognised standard for anti-Islamic hate speech. If being called Islamophobic carried the same weight as being called anti-semitic, people like Lee Anderson wouldn't spout off in thevway he did. There's a very real double standard and that is a massive problem
Resisting islamic intolerance and indoctrination is not a phobia.
@@colincampbell4261but seeing it where it doesn't exist just because a muslim is in a position of power IS!
Anyone else having trouble finding the Russian documentary? Can't seem to find it anywhere on RUclips
MP’s are elected by constituents yet ignore the vast majority of their opinions, they deliberately choose to represent an alternative view of in this instance Gaza and are surprised when constituents try to hold them to account. It’s either democracy or it’s not, can’t dance over the line when it suits .
Simply briliant podcast! Cheered me up after Chelsea's defeat on the weekend 😂💙
As long as you think there is an opposition party the quicker we are going to hell in a handcart! Unbelievable.
Oli's mic is waaaaay too low in the mix
Ava spot on with Jake Wallace Simons - It was a softball interview allowing him to platform his talking points without much challenge. Also correct on speaker vote psychodrama
This is basically the same thing that we Irish that were in the UK were called during the troubles.
Never thought to ask this before; what is the music on the countdown for the premier? Because it’s fucking delightful. So chill!
I think it's a generic track that gets played on all RUclips livestream countdowns - certainly I've seen the same countdown visuals/music on the Lumix Live livestream
@@ericaceous1652You are right.
Its okay when Labour does it says Oli and Ava. No mention at all of how they wanted to change the wording to "humanitarian ceasefire", and acting like the labour motion on SNP opposition day was identical (it wasnt).
Also don't find it strange or suspicious that speaker does this for 3rd time in history AFTER speaking to leader of the opposition.
Just repeating the propaganda that Hoyle was concerned with MPs safety, that wasn't discussed at all when he tried to justify his actions in spite of the clerks advice against it. Just thought up by spin doctors after the fact.
Yeah those MPs would have faced some frightening language like "I won't vote for you because you support Israel's actions and the UK funds it"
I feel bad for Ed having to sit there and listen to this crap.
Typical English gaslighting
Typical Scot Nat, playing the downtrodden victim.
@@tcritt People voicing justiciable grievances are not playing victim.
@tcritt Typical moron - attack the man because you wont or can't address the points.
And the speaker has now rejected a second SNP motion after promising he would provide one during his snivelling apology.
One only needs to open their eyes to see that bias is being displayed to dear leader Keir who will be the next PM, by the guy that needs his support to keep a job.
Labour are more than happy to promote this islamophobic dog whistle alongside the Tories.
The SNP are inept morons but not about this issue.
The UK continues to fund and provide diplomatic support for the suffering of children.
The labour front bench cant even admit that turning off water is a crime against humanity!
Joe's mic is a little quiet
What the hell have I dropped into
Imagine the consensus we will have once all this furious and often facetious debate has been had.
Are we going to ignore Ed's socks because they are incredible
The issue for Liz Truss’s book is that there is no overlap between the people who find her views appealing and those who can read.
that Shamima Begum segue was gold
7:24 To be fair I would say that is the default position of most Londoners that did not rock up here from the regions. To a Londoner *England* is a foreign country.
The Labour amendment was so much weaker though. It said they should only ceasefire if Hamas can't do another 07/10 - that's not an immediate ceasefire.
Great podcasting, very funny.
Good interview as well. (Sorry Ed).
"Flicking the bean" would be the obvious one :)
36 letters home! 😂 Wow and you turned out alright Ava maybe there is hope for my niece yet 😂
Flicking the bean
I've never heard a more disgusting take on this podcast, I'm genuinely shocked that I'd hear anything of the like from an outlet that is normally reasonable and at least level headed. Really? What were you thinking? The fact you'd not only say that, but keep it in the podcast, speaks to your complete lack of integrity as an organisation. Ted Lasso is a great show.
In reference to Ed's closing remarks; it really depends on the technique. Internal or External?
Priceless debate...😂
31:26 this transition in topic gave me whiplash, jesus Oli
Soft left? The thumbing it in branch?
It's kinda hilarious just HOW much these tories have in common with the Islamists they are so afraid of!
If they could JUST get over their racism they would find each other rather firm allies.
Fiddling the devil's lettuce.
Peter Hitchens arguing with racists/defending Shamima on Twitter is a great read
I was absolutely Still Listening At That Point 😅
🖕Great pod and I was definitely listening and laughing along with you all. I couldn't believe Ava didn't get the woman's name was a stage name hehe
On form tonight guys. So funny :)
Shuffling the Deck.
Ollie in his finest Ukrainian POW attire
Never before have I disagreed with Ed so much than I do over his distain for Ted Lasso
Feeding your own pony made me spit beer on my keyboard...
I remember the people that helped me when i needed it
I think its a vocab problem if I'm honest, people don't know the difference between Islamists and just a Muslim
There’s a reason for why this lack of clarity exists. When public conversation moves to the right or left, it’s always about language. Conservative politicians have been using the word Islamist, where they should have been saying Muslim, on purpose, in order to radicalise the conversation. It’s a deliberate attempt to whip up bigotry.
Venebles and the other guy were not named until they hit a particular age.
criticising is one thing lying is another.
31:26 best Segway ever 😂
A flicked the bean and the bean won..
It's laughable how you think that voting makes any difference to anything. The people who hold the reins of power and wealth can't be voted in or out. The political class simply performs the role of middle-managers. Of course, the illusion of living in a democracy must be maintained, for obvious reasons. It is quite bizarre however, that you are giving such serious thought, to something that doesn't exist.
Oli sounds really muffled
Here in Czech Republic, the Roma get a terrible time of it
Fingerblasting podcast guys, keep it up!
Flicking the banjo 🪕
Thought i was in a flamenco club!
Love the pod, great ep!
Gotta say, while i get that the end goal has to be a ceasefire, i don't think saying "SNP should've rolled over to what Labour/Hoyle did to get the vote happening" is fair at all really. It kind of exemplifies an exact reason Scottish voters don't feel heard in the House of Commons. You can't just say "the end justifies the means, so throw out all process".
I have lived and worked in significantly deprived areas of the country, traditionally labour but who voted brexit and tory in latter elections. I have not surveyed the population but I met many who were islamophobic, particularly white British so they probably think it’s a decent chunk of the electorate… and it’s another group they can hate together.
Flicking the bean 🤌
With kotsay i knew he was really good but how easy it was for super talented people to get lost in the mix at the same time
Surely the obvious was 'a game of flick football' regards the crude renaming game - makes me wonder if the games of flicking paper triangles across desks in high school has a different names around the world now?
Also haven't I repeatedly told you to burn that jumper of Oli's? Please can you just direct the production team to the charity shop and just buy him a tweed jacket with elbow patches so he stops messing with the 'green screen'
As a Muslim I still don't know what islamism is other than a label to otherise my ethnic background and community.
With religion play the ball not the person. With attrocities committed because of religion then play the person and the part if the religion that lead to the act.
THANK YOU AVA. Flynn's behaviour shows that the SNP in Westminster are playing politics above the true issue.
Thanks
Be careful how you joke! You might start a mad conspiracy theory! 😂
Smuggling Shamima Begum into the UK is a brilliant idea. Syria could easily ship her over undetected, thus getting rid of an unwanted problem and embarrassing Rishi Sunak into the bargain.
Don't forget there was another nutcase at that CPAC telling the audience how this was a movement to end democracy, that they may have failed with Jan 6th but wouldn't fail again... Quite literally the most divorced from reality collection of people, unironically discussing and sharing platforms with people advocating violent rebellion and a move to authoritarian rule in Western democracies and believing themselves to be the reasonable ones... I just kept thinking of Mitchell & Webb's 'Are we the bad guys?' sketch
The Lincoln Project recently posted a video showing footage of an American fascist rally at Madison Square Gardens in 1939. Chilling to watch.
44:20 Just to clarify for you, and your viewers, Ava is wrong here. Whilst, it is true that an opposition amendment has been chosen for an opposition day motion twice before, in those cases there was no government amendment tabled for the speaker to pick. Whether you think Hoyle was right or wrong I think it's important to acknowledge that what he did was legitimately unprecedented.
Lee Anderthal, as someone else said
Ava having to say, “I had a comment,” in order to get back into the conversation. Two lads mucking about might be fun. But here it’s so obviously, hay lads, wake up! I’ve actually got something serious to say you’ve not even thought of and I’m not just going to sit quietly while the lads have a joke and ignore me!
46:37 Does anyone actually believe Hoyle when he says that he made his decision because of threats to MPs? That's not to say that he doesn't want to keep parliamentarians safe, I'm sure he does. However, why did he give the rules being outdated and restrictive as his excuse on the day? Why didn't he tell everyone that it was a security risk?
Why didn't he meet with party leaders other than Starmer if it was so important to reduce the tension over the vote?
Can I just say (Whilst completely separately), I liked how Ava remembered James Bulger first (Whilst correcting to Venables later due to confusing the true people). It's just how normally you remember the killer, but in this instance Venables is the forgettable one. I do kinda applaud that mistake. James should be remembered whilst... Who was that?... Doesn't matter! Gets completely voided out of memory.
If a 15 year old white girl was trafficked by ISIS, was married off and had 3 babies who died and was living in a refugee camp, who left this country with the complete knowledge of an undercover agent and they chose not to risk the wider operation which cost 2 teenage girls their lives, and the UK stripped the remaining survivor of her citizenship I promise we would not be very happy about that. Its absolutely disgusting to do this.
And you know, they defined her being there as being groomed and trafficked, they are literally saying it is their policy to strip citizenship from people who have been child trafficked because the state condemns the groomer.
Tickling the pink.
Flicking the bean.
Well, that degenerated at the end 😂😂😂
Flickin the bean.😜
A hell of a lot of guitar talk at the end there...
Lucky to have lived/worked in many Islamic Gulf States over the last 40 years. My #1? Oman. Most secular of the lot, great geography, good expat scene and most of HM's government were Sandhurst educated. #goodolddays
You mean ....co opted?
Has Ed Campbell called his girlfriend Ted at an inappropriate moment? That's the question that needs answering in the next podcast. I'm not brave enough to add to "the list" in public, I'm afraid...
Finger blasting! Nubbin Rubbin! Slip n Sliddin!
Playing the invisible banjo
I'm not saying there's no antisemitism or Islam phobia in the labour party but I am saviors less than what get in the Conservative party and do think antisemitism in the labour party was blown up outa all portion and got kicked outa labour for antisemitism for supporting Palestinians or criticism of Israel and there policys
Think it's damning of our political system that so much of the conversation around it doesn't involve any political movements or activities or even policies. It's just discussion of politicians behavior these days. X said Y. X did Y.
I was gonna post a comment about Slugdaddy morphing in JO'B but Ava beat me to it!