PoliticsJOE reacts to PMQs
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- Suella getting sacked, David Cameron being thawed out, Supreme Court slapping down the Rwanda deal. It's hard to say there was little material at for Wednesday's PMQs.
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You're not allowed to apply for asylum from outside of the UK.
It's international law to allow someone the chance to claim asylum.
Until their claim is processed, they are illegal, whether they qualify or not. They are not allowed to work.
Once their claim is processed, they can be deported if they don't qualify, or are allowed to stay if they qualify.
The gov't slashed the number (/budget) of claims processors.
This created a backlog.
Having a high number of technically illegal asylum seekers (in hotels), riles up many in their voter base.
If the gov't wanted the number of Asylum Seekers down (and get people out of hotels), then they would've spent their Rwanda money (and hotel money), on processing the claims.
Once processed, they can deport anyone who doesn't qualify, and allow anyone who does the right to stay and work.
No need for Rwanda, no need for hotels, no need for prison barges.
But they gov't doesn't want the number to decrease. They want it to remain high, to anger their voters, so they continue to vote.
Rwanda wouldn't help the backlog. It would be expensive and slow. They know this. It's just performative cruelty. They want to be seen to be doing something, without actually fixing it.
The gov't invents a problem. They make it worse in a way NO ONE wants. They use it as an endless distraction to rile up voters. They propose expensive, cruel solutions, that won't actually fix the problem. Just so they can look like they're doing something
Wrong on 1 bit "Until their claim is processed, they are illegal, whether they qualify or not".
From the UNHCR, the UN Refugee Agency.
There is no such thing as a bogus asylum-seeker or an illegal asylum-seeker. As an asylum-seeker, a person has entered into a legal process of refugee status determination. Everybody has a right to seek asylum in another country. People who don't qualify for protection as refugees will not receive refugee status and may be deported, but just because someone doesn't receive refugee status doesn't mean they are a bogus asylum-seeker.
@@maximushaughton2404 Yeah yeah, I think we agree. I didn't word it perfectly, the illegality was more referring to how they arrived. Once their claim is being processed, then they're not illegal (correct?), but I think the gov't (/a lot of media) is being intentionally vague to further the con
Also, I'd originally written it to try to persuade someone who wanted to accept the legit refugees and just hurry up and deport "the chancers". I was kinda throwing him the smallest possible bone, and didn't want to come across as too argumentative (/ "umm actually...") because I don't think that persuades people.
This was the issue that I've had the most success in persuading (ex)Tory voters, many of whom didn't know that you had to come here first to apply for asylum, you can't apply from abroad, nor that the gov't slashed the processing budget. And whom also agree that paying to fly a few hundred to Rwanda to be processed is nonsense. They didn't know that if they were granted refugee status, they would remain in Rwanda, not be brought back here. They agreed that putting asylum seekers in a prison barge in the bay of a seaside tourist destination is... fucking awful, and doesn't even make a dent in it.
Showing them all this clearly - non-argumentatively - has gotten me breakthroughs I'd never had before
I’m not clear on this governments cruel and non-sensical laws. But of all asylum seekers were illegal would they just be arrested by the police? I’m guessing they aren’t because they are technically illegal until their claim is rejected?
@@oystercatcher943 It's like a purposeful legal grey area. They technically came here illegally, but international law says we have to allow them to remain if we are processing their Asylum claim. So like, they can't be arrested for being here
That's my understanding of it, I'm not a lawyer or expert ofc
(If someone wants to call me out for being wrong, please just be kind, yeah?)
Some wrong wording aside I absolutely agree and have been saying this to the rabid right wingers frothing at the mouth for years.
These people typically dont want to be on benefits and are forced to not be able to integrate by making them wait 2+ years to process a claim whilst they cannot legally work or study.
The thing to focus on is the absurdly slow home office rather than Rwanda etc. Get that running smooth and open legal corridors.
The ones frothing at the mouth dont care though, this is a conflation of their racism, they dont care if a refugee is in danger or not.
I also have an annecdote about how shite the home office is which should enrage the rabid mob.
Whilst working in the NHS, about 10 years ago we have a lady on the long term recovery ward for stroke, she was not legally allowed in the UK. Of course she got medical care cause we arent monsters but now she was more stable we needed to discharge her but had no-where to send her. Now she herself wanted to go back to her country so should be easy.
We called the home office every day for weeks trying to get help, they didnt give a shit about the thousands it was costing the hospital.
Eventually the Consultant took matters into her own hands and privately bought a ticket.
She was likely more effective than the entire home office during that period.
J.S Durden is so tragic man
I was not prepared for Ava saying at 41:45 -
"I like going down to the shop, paying £2 for pasta and then bending over..."
So good to have Ed back. Not the same without him.
The Conservative Party are battling over who is the most soulless.
So the green light isn't from a green screen, but actually another homage to The Great Gatsby by Ava?
There’s got to be a Greensill pun we can shoehorn in there somewhere
Ava "2 gap years" Santina is my suggestion for a nickname
Watching Ava watch Oli try to guess past Home Secretaries is not how I thought I’d spend some of my morning
whenever Oli misses a pod he comes back and its like Ava and Ed have grown to messing with a supply teacher for the past week
Honestly, though why are PMQs even a thing anymore? The general public can't be asked and nothing of substance ever comes out of it.
Brilliant opening, never change. Good to have the banter before diving into the grimness
I think some viewers believe the set is a green screen because of the ‘green spill’ around the edges of the hosts which is common on green-screen productions, but here it’s just caused by the green set lights lol
It is absolutely insane to me that someone can be rushed through a lordship and placed on the cabinet. What the fuck is this country?
He can't be held accountable by his constituents because he doesn't have constituents because he's not an MP. He can't sit on the front benches and be held accountable in the House of Commons because he's not an MP.
The same country that has an unelected PM and a Royal Family 😂
Imagine nearly being in power after 13 years in opposition and choosing *this* hill to die on.
Mind blowing that they'd undermine themselves so much on making sure people don't call for a ceasefire.
Its not mind blowing at all.
Starmer knows all too well how insidious and slimy the internal plotting was to defame and discredit Corbyn was because he supported Israel.
He fears all those hateful malicious zionists who have disproportionate power and knows they’ll start a vendetta against him too.
The man is desperate for power, at any cost, thats why he’ll abandon any left wing ideals and now he’d walk past piles of dead Palestinian children and keep quiet.
Its utterly disquisting. The Zionism fractured the Labour party and arguably Corbyn could have won in 2017 had his own party been trying to make him lose and our state now could be radically different, for the better.
Its apalling our politics got to this.
Obligatory caveat, I have no issue with peace loving Jews. I despise Zionists who accuse you of such for criticizing the IDF for bombing kids and destroy careers over it.
Yes! He should have allowed a free vote. “This is the party line, but I’m allowing a free vote to allow MPs to vote with their views and conscious”
You're doing it wrong guys, you need to angrily slam the desk and repeatedly demand "WILL YOU COMDEMN GUY FAWKES?!"
What amazes me is that anyone thinks that the Ruanda is a viable solution, and then suprised that this has been rejected by the courts. This has been a bat sh1t crazy idea from the start. PMQs are a circus, who can take these people seriously anymore.
Love hearing Oli and Ava argue like children about their age in fractions of a year! Ha ha!
Lee Anderson being concerned with freedom of thought would require him to have ever had one in his life
I think Bernie Sanders should have said, “Okay . . . Fight! Fight! Fight.”
“It sounded to me like you were talking about being fucked by the butcher”
Love how the gallery lost it at that as well.
I can't help but wonder whether the "Rwanda is Nice Actually Act" emergency legislation will really be the genius solution to the problem that Squishy thinks it is...
For months I thought the opening was "Love podcasts, hate nonces" 😂 💯
4:36 A PUB! Ava Cap J is close enough. But without a doubt 💯 A PUB for the PUBCAST!
Gis a job? I’ll be your jolly barmaid!
Listening to you work through the Home Secretaries was a trip. I worked in the HO from 2015. I saw all of these lunatics :(
Can I just say, Theresa May openly said in a speech “ regardless of the EU referendum, my view is this: if we want to reform human rights laws in this country, it isn’t the EU we should leave but the ECHR and the jurisdiction of its court” with regards to us being unable to deport people. And I’m repeatedly told, though I’ve never seen it, that she is a more moderate conservative. So I would be shocked if this whole thing wasn’t set up from the start to try and make people want to vote away their human rights.
..and was as Windrush as any Home Secretary ever got. (Not in a good way)
King Charles III should exercise the royal prerogative against the advice of Rishi Sunak and the Conservative cabinet after the emphatic UK Supreme Court judgement about the Rwanda 🇷🇼 Asylum Policy.
J.S Durden aka Oli Dugmore Aka Madri man is no longer welcome at the squat; He knew the rules!!!
I've got you sussed now. I make sure the volume is turned right down before I start listening to the latest Politics Joe Pubcast.
Up and down families in the country
Correct, if testing the law is aimed at improving the situation and conditions for the greater good, then that is a good thing, however if as you say, it’s to evade or bypass the consequences for one’s own good, or not for the greater good. The courts explained the reason for denial was the safety and stability of the destination, in this case Rwanda that in the words of our own civil service is that isn’t safe. As Harriet Harmon stated when Johnson tried to state he was relying on advice regarding the regulations of Covid and brilliantly interjected with this analogy.
If I am travelling in a car and it’s stated that we are travelling at 80Mph and I glance over at the speedometer that reads 100mph the statement is irrelevant, we are still travelling at 100mph, I’m paraphrasing, however there are several points here that are being made and they have just been used in the Trump case and Steve Bannon also.
There is a responsibility on each of us to use our own judgment on matters, but also to at a later date use the excuse that you asked a question, knowing what the truth was, as the answers where in front of you.
This is like a parent after their child or loved one has perished in the icy waters, uses as their excuse, well I asked! Wife, Husband, Friend, Father, Cousin, or whoever and they said it would be safe to walk on!
Then expect everyone to say, oh that’s ok then, reflating to this scenario, if using and bypassing a judgement by means that are questionable even irresponsible as to the greater evidence before you, is not only wrong, it is criminal and shows a complete disrespect for the judgement of better informed professionals.
So should Sunak decide to continue down the route you are suggesting he is heading, now is the time to play the trump card, this being that he is informed that should he do this and the worse case scenario should occur, he will be held responsible!
I don’t know wether Johnson was informed of that when he used or tried to use the law, but if he was and did, then I would say he needs to be sued and taken to court on that matter.
I don’t believe or accept your premise that he’s clever and apply the same to Johnson. He has like Trump and the petulant child. All three would ask or demand, ok find me a loophole or is there a way around this judgement!
So firstly it is not an emergency and can’t be classed as one because by the statements made by Cleverly and Sunak himself yesterday, both in parliament and Sunak in that press conference, we have achieved our aim as the numbers are down by a third etc, etc, you can claim an emergency at the beginning and or shortly after, if the situation is worsening or your loosing control, ie circumstances are being overtaken by the situation.
This can’t be argued at all as it isn’t novel, it’s a situation that has been around for years and has got worse because of incompetence by this government, but more importantly, the end result of bypassing the courts through invoking this act, would not significantly improve the situation, like diverting a water leak, if the main cause isn’t fixed, you are merely reducing a torrent to fast flowing situation. So I would say that the public and others will just see this as another or further waste of money and time. Sunak and the other two are not intelligent or clever or the things you claim they are, they are dictators, spoilt narcissists all corrupt individuals who are used to getting their way, it’s proven in every case, Johnson and Trump so many examples Sunak many, Child care, he was found guilty of introducing in the budge, that his wife Benefited if it’s from, The clip of him telling a group of Conservatives he had diverted funds, the failure to vote on Johnson after it was proven he had lied to parliament, stating he couldn’t because he was at a gathering p, it was pointed out by Chris Bryant that several people from the same gathering left after him and made the vote, the failure to comment on said decision on Johnson, stating he was tied up, busy, again pointed out he had time to comment on a cricket event that was reported on, his failure to attend PMQs three times in succession, the supporting of Johnson, until it was obvious so many had resigned he could benefit from this, the state,ents he makes never answer the question, the repeated aggression in interviews when again he doesn’t answer the question, but does a party political and won’t stop, with comments like, no,no,no I must say this,no I must insist. The failings in reality of every single one of his five pledges, the trip to India? Even the media were ask in why, well when he returned, no details of the trade discussed, and when asked, still none, yet Cameron first visit India, the trade will put billions in his father in laws ex business that he still has a very large amount of shares in, the same as the granting of Oil licences, U.K. has no benefit as we pay the market value as others, however, what do you know, shortly after the granting, his father in laws old company invest £1.5 Billion in BP! The loss of the Covid WhatsApp messages, similar to Johnson, Sunak and I quote “ I’ve had many phones since Covid period” well that’s ok, however the rules state all phones and contents are the property of the state, and the phones or content should be headed over or collected when changing job position or on leaving, so, oh dam that didn’t work, err. Ah found them, Great! Well the period, the most important period in covid when all other issues in the enquiry are proving problematic for Johnson and others through diary is written statements of civil servants, well what do you know, those messages are missing, MISSING!!!!! I rest my case with this foot note.
There will be no accountability, when the investigation proves that these vermin and I mean vermin, are shown to have lied, cheated and financially or personally gained or evaded criticism etc by using there position, which is fraud and perverting the law. They like Johnson will walk away and live the life of luxury off the backs of those who supported them, without even a thought of regret. Johnson as Sunak flys everywhere, Johnson whilst hosting and attending the Glasgow Climate summit mid summit flew back to London for a free meal with his protection group ate, didn’t contribute a single penny to the cost and it was not supposed to be a free meal, but his protection group also ate and then after drinks etc flew back to the climate summit! Really! I could go on as there are so many, but the biased press as in USA and Fox News owned by the Disgusting Murdoch! Who is being sued! and 85% of Americans watch, is so biased and corrupt, Watch Tyler Cohen channel and The Midas Touch both have honest truthful presenters with legal backgrounds in fact Michael Popok still practices and has done for 32 years. Arret! Love the essence of your channel if not a little eccentric, but there is no doubt, you are straight as an arrow! Regards David Green 73 years old
Ava Santina, Gatsby Gasher
I hate Benton. I’m part of his constituent and he’s not actually a Tory at the moment due to his pending suspension due to lobbying.
On the question of duelling - yes, bring back judicial champions and grow the job market!
Papery handed Ed Campbell 😂
“What’s should be the rule on duelling in a democracy?”
They should chuck the mace that is in the centre of parliament and just let them fight amendments out
You've managed to replicate in-camera what old greenscreen looks like, which is a kind of an achievement I guess
Maybe Ava's nickname should be "double gap-year Santina"
Cameron's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.
Did they ever say who would be checking on conditions in Rwanda? Why is it that the people cheering the scehme haven`t read it
Let's hope that British person being sent to Rwanda to monitor it is Braverman.
Well, no. Because then she'll oversee the mistreatment of countless people.
Better to hope that she loses all her assets and a charity can't provide her with a tent.
Just give the shop keeper the tip!
As a correction Grant Shaps came in because Suella was fired for misconduct and then rehired by Rishi Sunak. Priti i dont think resigned from Boris Johnson's cabinet
love podcast know is the P J podcast ladies and gentlemen
I got it wrong and called him Turdle Durdle. Its still a family joke
Finally connected with the podcast on an emotional level when Oli tries to interject about a Clickhole article 8:41
I'm not annoyed Ed, I want the tangential nonsense to calm me before the enraging politics :P
We contain multitudes, we are legion
In the USA it should be guns, not fists. See how often they do then.
Slogans have been in buses, he'll out slogan on boats, bu rishi said no to trains
"...With their fists." 😶🌫️
I think the words you’re looking for are we are fucked and more fucked than we have ever been. He hasn’t and it hasn’t been halved!
I watched bbc newscast and it really annoyed me that the men never let Ava speak. They talked over her rubbish, I’ve complained to the bbc very disrespectful
how about Ava "Dirty mouth" Santina since its quite evident she is not comfortable with the dirty mouth banter :P but she tries (butcher tip :D )
30:50 The deportation flights happen all the time. I know Virgin and BA cabin crew and they frequently fly people back to the Carribbean while escorted.
I'd like to point out, The Filth goes by the pseudonym ED, not because it's shorthand for Edward but for his medical condition.
you missed the picture on that tweet.
he is standing on a box at the lectern, because he is SHORT.
short EVERYWHERE
This was so funny
The Dresden comment made me oof
Thanks for signpost on
JS Mill, not a Comic then!😊
It’s not a green screen of a black curtain it’s of Starmsies soul
I have read all of Hemingway . He is a very engaging author . He puts you right there in the moment , with his attention to detail and description . He is brief and to the point . He was a writer for the Toronto Star for a while in his youth . In those days the average reading level of their audience was grade seven , so they kept the writing to short sentences , clear descriptions and simple wording , a style that Hemingway kept for the rest of his career .
Thank fuck they didn't mention Joyce ....
RUclips algorithm only now pointed me yo your channel
Can you get Gove on? He would as well. The kerr
Needs more whisky.
SnideTorygirl..... a bit of a mouthfuls but I'd go.with it
Wasn't that the G8 where the riot police came out and killed a person?
Not sure if I’m shocked, delighted or both that a bunch of twenty-somethings are into politics! 😄
Get your head out of the MSM and you'll find there are many young people who care about the future of the country they live in.
Ava the Slaya.
I have never been to South East Asia. However Daddy owns a couple of time share complexes out there.
Lol
Want an episode of the PatriotCast starring Edward (English accent only) and Oliver.
No Ava, can't have a woman - don't want our Politics podcast to get too political
Edward and J.S. Durden
@@Dave08071988 JS Durden can be the far right guest they platform to allow for "diversity of thought" and "free speech". He will say controversial things that they "would never say!" While absolutely not challenging him on anything
Wait...Dawn Butler just asked about calling out Isreal? Isn't that against Labours adoption of the IHRA definition of antisemitism?
All for fist fights folliwing PMQs. Angela v JRM .. Hoyle v Bercow ...
Angela v Rees Mogg bit of a mismatch. The moggster would be having his nanny feeding him milkshake for the rest of his life..
You cant leave ECHR, you have to leave the council of Europe.
We can do what we want. See you in Strasbourg.
@@enemywithin1295 of course. We can also leave the UN, WTO, WHO, the international mail pricing scheme.
But If we want to be a serious global player, leaving the council of Europe, a body for top geopolitical discussions and strategies affecting our continent really isn't the way to go.
A quick way to diminish our geopolitical heft, with resultant economic and political weakening.
Actions have consequences. Are the consequences really worth it for the 200 asylum seekers Rwanda have agreed to take each year. And will people who risk their lives to cross the channel really be deterred by the fact there is an outside chance they will be one of the 200.
Labour are sinking fast ten of the front bench gone 50 MP's did not side with starmer over Israel
Alot of these people are not mentally well its just that they are powerfull and loaded. Cants.
Aye. I think that a lot of them don’t have chance to reflect on themselves because their egos block it all out
@@Gnasherism Aye you would hope, tho I doubt it
When Oli refers to Right to private and family life as Article 9 when it's Article 8... Cringe😂
I know right, so cringe... everyone knows that it's article 8...
@@Dave08071988 Sorry I'm a social worker so it's legit something I use every day
good stuff!
Love you guys but it drives me insane that your sound levels are all over the place - I have to have the sound up to catch everything you all say and then the adverts come on SUPER loud. The desk mics are great visually but once you move around they are not so clear sound wise - additional overhead mics might help?
You need a Tarquin, Hesketh and Imelda
Lol trust me they’ve got them this isn’t some working class panel
If it's not a greenscreen you should be able to key out the horrible green tint guys!
It’s the noncecast!!!!!! [airhorn x3]
Sorry, Rwanda
is Ed growing a 'tache?
Can we put links that skip to the parts where politics is being discussed?
Everything is politics pal
Listen to something other than something labeled ‘pubcast’ then. Personally I think it’s refreshing to have a young-ish outlet for politics.
@@Gnasherism this isn't labeller pub cast it's labelled pmqs reaction? I enjoy their pub casts and that but sometimes I'm just not interested in their 10+ minutes talking about essentially nothing. It'd be nice if they had wee links to skip to various parts of the video like lots of other channels do
Why’s the intro soooo blooming LONGGGGG!! Can we put a marker on the next video that lets us skip the chit chat and start the video once it hits politics
Fantastic show guys, funny AF! ❤️🖤
#MEGA
Make England Great Again!
Not a bad slogan
@@farzanamughal5933 With Tories so completely following MAGA rhetoric I'm really surprised that one of them hasn't trademarked it already!
Bomber Harris 🫲 Netanyahu?
Another pointless PMQs inaction man deflecting from his own problems and not answering questions from the opposition.
he does have one thing in common with Action Man. Smooth.
Prime Minister's Evasions. One of the long-standing traditions that Britain is built upon.
Ava "wokerati" Santina
The cenet fight at the end sums up 'murica in a nutshell, plus your take on it being 'based' is a joke, joe you couldn't fight your way out of a paper bag mate and I quite like you!
Who’s JSMill?
John Stuart Mill (1806-73), political economist and politician
12:00 is the start of the adult conversation…
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I subscribe and normally love this podcast. But this was literally dorm room politics.
Guys, please buy better mics!!
I'm too old for this lark. More than 10 minutes and you still didn't get round to PMQs
You're not too old to know you can skip the video forward as much as you want.
@@farzanamughal5933 😅
Does anyone actually think rwanda is a legitimate solution? 😂
Not people with brains, no.
Bit creepy Joe! Just cut the love in and get on with the disgrace that is this talentless government, please? Otherwise good job.
Some people love the "love in". So I guess the obvious solution for everyone is a timestamp for the serious stuff.
@@alanmckenna5608yeah fairy’s do
@@alanmckenna5608what's the love in
Private school tories, moaning about other university educated tories…. Boring. Get a proper job
They aren't Tories. I think they're pretty funny but if you find them posh and annoying you don't have to watch. Don't waste your time insulting your own side
@@farzanamughal5933 you’re wrong unfortunately. Usually the only reason silver spooned rich kids get involved with politics is because they are jealous of richer kids. You both disgust me
@@Cruioooi78 Ok, lucky I don't care about your opinion.