IT'S A STUPID ARGUMENT! 😡 Simon Jordan & Agent Sky Andrew CLASH Over FIFA's Limitations on Agents
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- Опубликовано: 3 янв 2024
- TalkSPORT's Simon Jordan and football agent Sky Andrew lock horns over FIFA limitations on how much agents can earn.
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If this guy is a top agent, how bad must the others be...
Their biggest role is to massage the players egos.
Spot on
The point is if the agents are regulated / paid by the footballers their cut will be less. That's the real issue, lol.
Well done Simon. Utter nonsense from the agent
?? So the Scots guy asks a specific question. Sky gives his opinion. Jordan ignores the question (and answer) and a says Sky is being irrelevant (and goes of on another one of his idotic coke -fuelled rants). Perhaps you should listen and stop being a Jordan -sheep.
Glad Simon cut through the nonsense. I’m sure Simon learned something, and more importantly, so did we.
Anyone else read this in Simon’s voice?
Can't tell you how much this comment made me smile - constantly have that intro going around in my head
Nosunsche
agents don't have a monopoly on the market, nor should they. There should be limits because it affects the entire game not just the players and agents. Capitalism at its best.
Simon = top LAD proper clobber
Are we sure Sky isn't the taxi driver the BBC thought was an IT expert for a live interview?
I feel sorry for simon sometimes, trying to talk to these people.
No one can match the IQ of the DON himself Sir Simon Jordan. Simon = top LAD proper clobber
Clone
@@MW92.Eddie Hearn put Simon in his place. You would be hard pressed to find someone who think as highly of themselves as Simon.
For once I felt sorry for Simon. That was the most embarrassing discussion- we never even got to a single point from the other two that made any sense at all.
Jim / Agent - forget agency fees neither should be paid for that drivel
Simons argument has always been who pays the agents, not what they earn, it should be the players that pay their own agents, just like any other agent/client relationship, like for instance Actors. At the moment the clubs foot the bill and thus the fans.
100%. Thats the normal way for every agent relationship in sports or business in general. Why is it different in football?? Pure greed from agents bleeding clubs.
It's a nonsense argument. If the player has to pay his agent he will just ask for more money. The club still pays the same. At the end of the day it's not our money it's not our business. Stop trying to take money out of people's wallet.
Players should pay agents not clubs
I mean...then the players would increase their wage demands to compensate
@@thrilla72then the clubs tell them to get fucked, this might finally make players chose between their club and their snake agent
You think that bill wouldn't be passed on by the player?
Sky ain't got a clue. Simon just rinsed him 😂
BS thats why Jim had to step in as Simon as just talking lol
@@sonark289Coward 🙄
You don’t know what you’re talking about?
@@Rayunicorn1 Clown commenter Ray is here on another comment 🤣🤡
@@ConfusedAnglerfish-ik5bx Better to be a clown than a confused fish.
"World class advice"? Plenty of players have made the wrong moves because the agents pushed for the wrong moves
It's all about greed at the end of the day, and the fans finish up paying.
Football is getting beyond a joke with the amount of money going around.
nope, not football but the fans/those who are feeding it up!
Jim didn’t like the idea of a limit on what he can earn. Changed his tune quick 😂
Thats for sure
Jim would have buggered off to Saudi if they needed a tv host.
Lol
Sky clearly has his agenda
Yeah, make as much money for himself as possible.
*Sly
Why, whose agenda would you prefer for him to have? Yours?
@Rayunicorn1 what? Sky is clearly angling for a job position at fifa . Seems sky asked you to deflect for him
@@Rayunicorn1 Ray has his unicorn horn pointing firmly in Sly's direction 🙄
All About The Money, The Whole Game Is Corrupted
The player should pay the agent. Easy. Why is this an issue at all? Why should anyone pay the players advisor? Why do clubs deal with them?
Totally agree Frank but the way it seems to work is: Agent: Mr Club you can have this player you desperately want for x as long as you give me y. Club: Okay. Deal done. The only way to change this is for FIFA to make a law that all agents have to prove they have been paid by their client, i.e. the player. Sadly even if FIFA could make this stick we know their track record for brown envelopes.
Simon’s hatred of Football Agents is fairly obvious 😂
It was hilarious to listen to cause it only fuelled him to disregard any points made. You gotta link Simon with facts and common sense or you’ve lost your argument before you start it 😂
He can't be objective in these types of discussions
Why the f*ck should a club pay the employee of the player?
Sky's argument about so-called 'double taxation' revealed exactly what motivates him!
"Oh no, we can't tax the footballer and then tax the money they spend on agent fees - that would mean I get less money!!!"😱😱😱😱
What, like almost every other transaction that takes place in society? I'm beyond dismayed at the absolute cheek of this man, especially considering what he must be earning 🤦
Spot on, it's like any joe bloggs on the street when he gets paid his wages and buys something immediately after. its taxed 😂
I don't know how Sky Andrews is successful as an agent but he's an awful broadcaster. I don't understand any of his points
@@1980redkremlin I mean, I suppose broadcasting is a different skillset to corporate negotiations, but it doesn't seem like he's the most articulate bloke. His comments give the impression that he views agents as a closed club which suggests success as an agent comes down to who you know, rather than how good you actually are at negotiating deals 🤷
@billybobthornton9668 Yes, but he should say that shouldn't he? Obviously he doesn't want to upset any of hid industry buddies which is fair enough. But at the very least, if you're going to dance around the subject...learn to dance!
lol this guy showed the level of competance the agents have. I would of expected agents to be lawyer level education or something. Its contracts and tax dealings etc. Problem is you have dimwits working with kids enticing them and then working out how they can get them payday to.
No top agent would go on Talksport and embarrass themselves like this, surely
Djokovic is a world class player - Sancho isn’t. Nothing to do with agents.
He has a world-class agent. But then again, it's not very hard to trick United to pay over the odds
@@TheXxaddictxX of course, but his agent would deal with finances, opportunities, commercial etc, not actually performing
In USA the agent is restricted to approx 3.5% of the contract that they negotiated and that’s that. No financial incentive for agents to move players. Works just fine.
Omg… and millions going out of the game to these parasites.
Players should pay their agents full stop.
The same thing happened with the NBA with them trying to make sure agents have a degree and relevant qualifications to stop Rich Paul from having a monopoly on the sport.
Couldn't listen to that had to switch it off. Simon Jordan just likes to talk over people and doesn't let them finish off there points but he'll make sure whatever point he's got to make everyone has to listen, it's getting boring now
Simon is spot on
Simon and Sky both make good points.
Ultimately matters such as these aren’t decided on a basis of “fairness.” They are negotiated ruthlessly according to positions of leverage.
Sadly, most of the public has been infantilized to the point that this ruthlessness - this steadfast pursuit of self interest - is considered anathema.
As a result, it is impossible to have an open & honest conversation about issues like this in a public forum, for fear of outrage and backlash.
Simon and Sky are two brilliant & experienced businessmen and interlocutors more than capable of hashing out their differences on this issue in a coherent manner.
However, in a public forum, the naive notion of what “should” be done crowds out the more realistic discussion regarding what SHALL be done.
Remember this the next time you hear someone cry about business dealings being conducted with a lack of transparency.
SJ: “I don’t know what you’re talking about!!!!” X10?? 😂😂😂
Football agents have too much power in football
They don’t
They need to put limited on how much a club can earn off the players ffs 😂😂😂 put limits EVERYWHERE 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah great point that gets overlooked
The only representation I would need as a footballer would be my own accountant I can drag along with me to negotiations. These "agents" are self-professed and not qualified in anyway - they just have good contacts. They'll spout how important they are simply because of the amount of money they are taking out.
Money for old rope my friend!
There are lots of “money for old rope” roles like this out there. I don’t think it’s as unregulated as it used to be either in terms of entry level.
@@languageoffootball oh come on 🙄... Wake up and smell the coffee! It's an absolute cesspit of corruption.
Same for me. I know Roy Keanes never had an agent. His family solicitor does all his dealings-even contract negotiations with Man U
That's incorrect. When there was less agents. Owners like Simon took advantage of players
Sir Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts
A new years fact right here! 💯
@@MW92. The Jordanite Leader Himself OG MW = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts
Sorry so if I employed a cleaner to clean my house I'd get a tax break for having a cleaner?? Nonsense, the cheek of players expecting clubs to pay their agent is just ridiculous and an utter scam
Love how ruthless Simon is 😂😂😂😂
Restraint of trade clauses do exist though and can be perfectly legal (dependant on how they are shaped and what their purpose is, including the clause being necessary for the good of the industry)
Well done SJ!
Now I can see why Simon Jordan failed MISERABLY as the one time owner of Crystal Palace. I thought he was damn right rude calling Sky "as a grown up". The tax issue made a lot of sense by Sky. It looks like Simon got burnt at crystal palace. Make money so long as it is legal and follows due process. Agents and FIFA need to find a common ground.
womp womp hes so rude womp womp
@@thefroobchoobare you ok?
I am not keen on Apples and Oranges but I do love Greengages. A very underrated Fruit...
Djokovic doesn’t play a team sport. That guest is a fool.
Clubs and fans are ripped off, full stop, that agent speaks pathetic of the gains for agents take out of the game ripping off clubs for average players
This guy comes across as a right money grabbing scam artist !
As desperate as car salesmen on the lot
Tru Say,Mi Bredda. Tru Say,Bredrin..
I agree with Sky, he does work in the industry at the end of the day. Everyones agreeing with Simon but then when Simon invites him back on and acknowledges Sky's argument just like he reconciled with Eubank Snr. You're all quiet
I wouldn’t take Sky’s advice on laying my dinner table. Scary to think how bad the others must be if he’s a “top” one.
Agents deserve every penny they get, bang average premier league players getting hundreds of thousands of pounds a week because of great work by the agent
No agents at all in football. Players should employ a solicitor to discuss contracts.
Ofc. it has to do with taxation. If the club pay 110 mio to the player and the player pay 10 mio to their agent, it's taxated more than if the club pay 100 to the player and 10 to the agent because the 10 mio to the agent only gets taxated once when it's directly from the club. It's all about tax evation. The club doesn't realy care for them it's 110 mio out either way.
"Tell'im Jim" ...
😂😂😂😂😂
Anyone notice how much louder Skys voice is than everyone elses, is that deliberate?
Simple accounting means we pay a service provider (ie. Agents) a fee irrespective of taxes hence if you represent the player they are responsible or club if they hire the agent. Agents are nothing more that spin doctors and should not be allowed to give legal/financial advice without being accredited. For example, I cannot be a financial broker and give financial advice without passing my fiduciary assessments which makes Sky's argument invalid on "expert" advice then.
Whoever employs him should pay his fee disconnected from whatever transfer fee the club agrees.
This discussion needs to start from the identification of what is/are the problem(s) that need to be solved. My suggestion is that the problem is the capacity of agents to manipulate the clubs and players to their financial gain, has gone out of control, This lack of regulation is taking huge amounts of money from the game, dictating to a large extent which players go where, creating hyperinflation of transfer fees and player salaries, diminishing player loyalty, taking away the obligation to perform, and destroying some clubs. Of course the clubs themselves need to question their modus operandi. But right now they are at the mercy of agents and the power that they have, and the obsession/financial neccessity to succeed.
Wow. What a waste of a discussion. This was such a poor discussion. However terrible Sky might have been Jim, and his producer, did a terrible job setting up this segment. Simon didn't help. He just threw his toys rather than trying to find something constructive.
I’d say the sky’s the limit for this bloke
I’ll get my coat
are all agents sole traders? why dont we see large entities in this space? Sotheby's et al
It's pretty fitting that a guy called Sky should have his head so far up in the clouds. well done Simon for calling him out on his self-serving nonsense
I'm always concerned about a player, with an agent, going broke.
1 club should have 1 agent......quite simple really
Clubs pay them anyway
Introduce a fixed 5% of the transfer fee for agents. Paid split between both clubs and the player. That’s more than enough 3:51
they are basically arguing about capitalism, and explaining its flaws.
Agents are the bane of football.
bad owners are by far the bane of football, like simon here who got crystal palace bankrupt.
Why is jim so angry agents make a lot of money, if he's so jealous he should change careers and become one
This conversation was absolutely pointless
I got out of that is Sky is jealous that none of the top players want him as their agent..
As for Jim, my God he has never been ore annoying, he was so out his depth
He's always annoying and always out of his depth, today was not an exception...
@@rebelwill412 agreed, don't even get me started on the current format on SSN...
All I hear is that agents are the important ones. It's like writers and actors...
7:40 he was ready to scrap for his beliefs 😂😂
Haha Simon woth his arms out as well like he's looking for a square go
This agent is a terrible communicator
Sky made a comment "Thats not nice".
If thats the future of debate when tough people in a tough industry debate facts, then I fear for the future of how buisness is done.
A lot of bumps in this area need to be sorted and soon.
If agents are not able to provide the best advice, then who is and what are they earning vast amounts of money for.
Should it fall back onto the club to monitor and advise?
Simon from the Piers Morgan school
of interviewing. Just put him in a paper bag and let him fight with himself. Why bother inviting a guest on.
Plenty of good agents, even more dirty ones
Fancy having an agent on then not listening to his point of view and cutting in every 5 minutes because you love the sound of your own voice- Simon
Simone wasn't interested in asking him questions or having any logical counter-arguments, just interested in speaking his usual Codswollop
I worked in the game a few years back , as a club CEO - agents are parasites. full stop.
Also, these signing bonus?
Player literally run their contracts down doing f all for the clubs they play for only to sign for someone else who they have clearly been tapped up by.
Think that needs to be looked into as well.
Am I sitting in the right seat? I'm not sure
HMRC should look into this tax fiddle
The solution of this agent problem is to let players pay their agents
EXACTLY!
Why the hell should a club have to pay the agent?!
they will just get higher wages then , the club is still going to foot the bill.
@@rc9719 The wagebill has an FFP cap.
Top agent😂 Christ!! Can you imagine the chancers in that industry 😅
3% max of transfer fee is correct. Agents should be finding players new opportunities regarding advertisements.
Why the f*ck should the transfer fee pay the employee of the player?
The lies of the Qatar Stadiums needs addressing too by FIFA.
You can’t become a top agent without the top players hiring you. FIFA doesn’t have the authority to tell agents what they should charge for their services. Sounds dumb and illegal.
You say that's a stupid argument and we throwing hands jordan. . . . .
Why would you even ask an agents opinion?
Agents should not be in football full stop
The game would be better without agents.
"Lo 'angen frooo". That's what football is.
The argument is just going round and round
At the end of the day it’s not in the agents interest in a player staying at a club for the length of their contract
Agents make money on a percentage of a transfer
Agents should not get a percentage but be paid by the player over the length of their contract
The player should agree to pay their agent a percentage from their weekly/monthly pay packet
Sky clearly doesnt like players choosing their agents if they are family
“Gormless sods” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Can someone tell Jim White that if he wants to come to a solution on a debate, interrupting others to repeat the same sentence over and over again is probably not the best route?
I'm currently 9 minutes into the video, and Sky has yet to make a single point. How has he talked for 9 minutes and said absolutely nothing? Could've had a brick wall in that seat for all the sense you'd get out of it.
This is a agent and he can’t even get his opinion over he just talks rubbish and he just sat there and agreed with Jim he was baffled by Simon’s simple question
The players should pay their agents out of their own pockets that way the Clubs can’t be held to ransom by agents
Kevin De Bruyne negotiated his current city contact without an agent.
Family agents/managers is a regular thing in boxing. Ask Lawrence Okolie how that has worked out for him.
That was 15 minutes of what do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? !!! 🤯
Sky “you need to put people in the right seats… fifa sit in their GLASS tower”
🤦♂️
So in summary unspecified people are not in the correct unspecified seats. An low hanging fruit. Great debate
I GET THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH AGENTS EARNING MILLIONS OUT OF THEIR CLIENTS, OR JUST EARNING MILLIONS IN GENERAL BUT TO BE HONEST WHATS THE PROBLEM?
call them out
Have footballers got the intelligence to know who is a good or bad agent or do they just trust what they are told?
Well like finding a tradesmen you either go by recommendation from other players or change agent if you're not getting what you pay for.
Simon, let him speak for gods sake. He never got a chance to put his point across.
What does “people not sitting in the right seats” mean ????