Piers Morgan vs Joey Barton And Pearl Davis On Female Football Commentators And 'Tokenism'
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- Опубликовано: 6 дек 2023
- Piers Morgan Uncensored is joined by ex-footballer Joey Barton, former Sky Sports commentator and presenter Bianca Westwood, RUclipsr Pearl Davis and host of 'The Offside Rule' podcast Kait Borsay for an open debate on some of Barton's recent tweets criticising the standard of female commentators in the men's game and how they seem to be getting the role on tokenism and not merit.
Joey believes that the standard of journalism has dropped in football commentary because many ex-professional female players are being allowed to commentate Premier League games without having the experience or merit to deserve covering those games. He also adds that the female's game is so different, that their experience cannot translate to the men's game.
Bianca responds by saying that many pundits are not great when they first start out, using Gary Neville as an example as someone whose first time properly commentating the game on Monday Night Football as lacking quality.
Kait then questions why we don't demand the same footballing experience from presenters such as Jake Humphrey, who have never played professional football.
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Joey Barton is correct. No ifs or buts
its marxism and its designed to bring everything down to a low baseline level instead of letting the strongest or most competent flourish.
There’s plenty of coaches sportscasters and managers who never played a pro sport. It’s a nonsensical statement to say that just cuz you didn’t play pro you can’t comment on sports
@@DrewbattleTheGreatyou should learn to listen more
@@DrewbattleTheGreatyes your right although I do believe that people applying for a job shouldn’t just get it based solely on their gender.. when you listen to some of these female commentators it is rather questionable.
@@christianlucas7050he is listening because he explicitly states that someone like Alex Scott shouldn’t be allowed to talk about men’s football on TV because she didn’t play it. Yet he defends people like Chapman who also haven’t. The guy is using this rubbish as an excuse to rant and spew hatred. He doesn’t give a toss about ‘high journalistic standards’ or he’d be calling out the crap male pundits too (and there’s plenty).
Problem is, you’ve got people like piers who deep down agree with joey, and still sit on the fence. It’s so frustrating
That's because if he agree there isn't any debate and no show.
Joey says he's point and piers goes yep agree, ok bye
He doesn’t sit on the fence he’s just a puppet and paid to have whatever opinion his puppet masters tell him
@@BrestFanTV There isn't a debate so why pretend there is? Accept the truth and evolve.
It’s his job to
Yeah he should voice his opinion too
Joey is saying what 99% of us are thinking, there was a reason soccer Saturday was the most watched and talked about show for 20 years, Phil Thompson Jeff sterling kammie George best mat letis , Paul merson , Rodney marsh Charlie Nichols and so on the chemistry, the knowledge all in different departments made this show amazing because they were the best people for the role..not just putting woman on to please people..I can’t even watch the program anymore and it’s the same as sky sports live matches, we had Andy gray Martin Tyler every Sunday Richard keys we experienced the best years of football ever 😢 and until people wake up to this is we will never experience a golden era like we had again
All pissheads !!!
Good comment. The presence of women completely changes the dynamic. Men's spaces are being invaded. That really is the bottom line. I don't care if women don't feel included in the men's game. It's the men's game! The same as on the tv - there's nowhere to watch football in a male-only space. It's invasive.
Who's Kammie?
@@joekavanagh7171Chris kamara?
George best?
Even my 19 year old daughter has always said....." Why is a woman talking about mens football!?"
Even my 3 year old son has always said...."Why is a man talking about...(insert any women's sport here)!?"
are you insane, why are you lying, people do not care and this is insanity if we say women can not comment, like they cant talk what extreme is right wing going
@@OldGreyMulletTest You know, it's not good to tell lies on the internet.
We all know that this did not happen.
And the reason men talk about women's sports is because women don't give a crap about any sports, including their own.
So men have to talk about them because men care even about women's sports more than women.
He's just a man who has the balls to say what the overall majority of football loving men think!!!
we are all saying it lately , its now got to the point where some of us are switching off
Bruh, maybe it's not the right strategy but I have switched off, of arguing with women. I love women but why tf do they want to always join the things we like in order to change it to something they want it to be@@flxsh7491
Even the highlights now, majority of them you have to mute just to watch! The screeching and absolute glaringly obvious waffle they spout
Correct, it's what the majority of men are thinking.
@@flxsh7491I'm at the point now
Joey really took one for the team, complete respect.
He sit on a cushion now.
On an ice pack you mean
He didn’t answer any questions directly - Piers had him with so many questions and he just danced around the question spewing nonsense about “journalistic standards”.
Joey was a dimwit before this and is even more of a dimwit after it
@@andrealaminathe questions were designed to set him up to say something that made him look bad Laura woods literally just flirts and talks about clothes
Surely this quote proves Joey right "The most dramatic fall in viewing figures coincides with Alex Scott replacing Dan Walker as Focus' main presenter in 2021. In Walker's last season before he was moved on the average weekly August audience was 827,000, before dropping to 809,000 in 2021, 599,000 12 months later and 564,000 this year." Surely not a coincidence?
Same when they went woke with Question of Sport. Killed it off completely.
I stopped watching too
He’s 100% bang on!! And I think he Handle himself very well with piers grilling him.
The fact Piers Morgan thought Alex Scott had won a world cup says it all.
Hahaha spot on!
He’d be lost without his earpiece
Just shows these people have someone telling them what to say in their ear,
morgan is a dick, what do u expect
Indeed 😂 ...but even if she had, it's still football of an equal quality to male U14's level! They simply do not compare
As a woman, I couldn’t agree more with Joey!!
My mother is 80 years old and says that female football commentators are ruining the game. By that she means they are ruining her enjoyment of watching men's football on TV. My mother is entitled to her opinion.
👍👍❤❤😁😁
@@scabthecat same here Your mother is right
Good girl
Wife material ❤
Reminds me of Harry Enfield show sketch.
Where's the bloke luv !
Go and get the bloke luv , 2 sugars.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂
That's what I just cracked myself up with soon as Bianca opened her mouth.
Joey, and Kevin Keegan, have simply said out loud what 90% of male football fans are thinking. It's not just about female pundits either, there's also very poor male choices being given opportunities who are terrible, but they're there because they tick woke boxes
...but mostly though, it's the wimmen right?😉
Define “woke”?
The biggest example of this was Matt Le Tissier, Charlie Nicolas and Phil Thompson being replaced by the likes of Tim Sherwood, Clinton Morrison and Kris Boyd.
@@JimMiltonsWorldand don't forget the amazing sue Smith 😒
@@Biscuits645I’m from Liverpool and I can’t be doing with Sue Smith. 😂
He’s spot on, it’s so cringe when female commentators and pundits are working the men’s games.
Was so looking forward to watching and hearing the commentary on the Liverpool v Fulham game after hearing of the excitement of the last few minutes. How bitterly disappointed I was to hear a woman commentating. I turned the TV off I could not listen to her cringey voice. Pure awful to listen to a woman commentating on the mens game.
@@coynehunter5568I watched on mute and called my mate to be the commentator. We added our 3 frnz in the group call. It was so fun. I love my friends
@@coynehunter5568they act like it's only women commentators who are slated and disliked by men, when there's been male commentators who have talked nonsense on some games, playing the victim card and they're getting away with it, why was only one male in the interview but 3 women ? Gang mentality in my opinion, why couldn't they find one more man to join Barton and then two women instead of 3 on 1 ? It's bully tactics
Women can not be commentators , that should be a scientific fact at this point , awful voice for commentary and some try to deepen their voice to sound more distinguished but it just even more cringe
@@user-yh1si5vk4xthis is even more cringe 😂. Wtf….
He should of pointed out that women won't let you get a word in edgeways.
That Bianca Westwood's voice alone would make a deaf person go for the mute button on the remote.
Its funny how emotional people get over an opinion, usually because deep down they know its true and they dont like it.
It really is ridiculous when you see legends of the game sat round the studio, Keane Henry etc, and then some random bird 😂. He’s absolutely bang on
exactly. its ridiculous. it really is. just woke tokenism.
Some random bird or Micah the blagger Richards
Yup. It’s embarrassing that they have to sit there and listen to some random’s opinion. 😂
Finally someone says it. Thanks Joey Barton
I'm sorry but 50% of the population are women, it's not tokenism. Women can understand a game they haven't played. Many male football journalists have not played football.
I have never seen so many crybabies! There are women out there that would run circles around you in football but since your a man you know better? 😂😂
@@turnbasedtoddy7664?
@@turnbasedtoddy7664what a stupid take
@@turnbasedtoddy7664
The USA women national team got flogged 11 nil by under 15 boys…wake up
Well said Joey, someone with balls to say what most men are thinking👏👏
It should be a meritocracy. If you a great at what you do, then your qualified. There are some male commentators that are horrendous too.
Joey is spot on, there are a couple who can do it but 95% are there on tokenism
We just dont want woman in the 2 hours of our mens time were we can switch of for a moment once or twice a week.
Laura Woods is brilliant. Bar that they are all dross
@@jakobward6983 Their body language and lack of enthusiasm and the fact that they need to read their notes every few seconds is what turns me off them. Kay Murray from ESPN FC is awesome in conparison.
@@Dexterslaboratory89 No, we don't want women who don't know wtf they're talking about; there's a HUGE difference.
@@ilovevegimite I think Jakub means to knock one out to.
I agree 100% with Joey. There were no male officials at the female World Cup but there were women officiating at the meal World Cup. Ludicrous.
Exactly, I kept saying the same thing. They are forcing this women favouritism on men and lovers of men's football
whenever i see women commentating on the meal world cup, i am irate!!!!
Most men and not cucks don't want women involved in men's spaces you will always get women moaning about sexism it will ruin men's football , i always think Piers Morgan is a creep around women though i can't stand the man .
Well said, women shouldn’t be refereeing in my opinion because the players when pumped with adrenaline would be quite aggressive towards the ref and people would call them sexist for it. Better off staying with a male ref
Because few men wanted to commentate at the womens games. If men wanted to they could easily get a job.
The way that deteriorated into 2 women shouting taking over the convo says it all..
Piers stand up and be counted! You agree with Joey and what Joey is saying is absolutely true. It’s all about earning your place not just being slotted in because of this Woke society we unfortunately are living through at the moment.
I couldn't agree more I'm a former professional boxer and watching a men's high profile fight with a woman commentating spoils the experience unfortunately--- I love women's boxing by the way
How did Joey keep a straight face when Morgan was corrected about Alex Scott 😂😂😂😂😂
I’m presuming because he hadn’t a clue either, no one watching it
@@user-vk8zy6re4t 14.46 million people in the UK watched the womans world cup final
She wouldn't have survived in the boys under 18's world cup let alone adult men's
Honestly Alex Scott has invalid woke directly enough time to end it
I’ve always thought Joey Barton was moronic,shame he hasn’t got a brain
I wasn't a joey Barton fan to be honest. Now I think he's a legend for saying what 95% of real football fans actually think. I don't know one single person that doesn't agree.
95% of people you know isn't representative of all football fans. 😂
@@johnmcguigan2724but we are though 😊
I’m in the 95
I would have said 94% but whatevs
@@danielhardacre6580 trust me, your echo-chamber is not representative. Show me a legitimate unbiased poll where 95% of people agree with Barton... I'll wait. 👍
100% well said Joey... Great to see someone high profile bringing this to the fore
It's not just men who agree with Joey.
I have new respect for Joey Barton. He’s got balls to bring this up and fair play to his reasoning. 👍
It used to be good when I knew who every pundit/ex player was. I've no idea who these female pundit or ex players are and I never remember them after they speak.
When the women commentators are used, they sound like excited 14 Yr old boys
Joey wiped the floor with you here Piers! 😂😂😂
It’s because piers agrees with Joey at heart
@@SuperConrad2012he said dwarfs should get the dwarf part in films but thinks women should take what’s traditionally being an ex male footballers after playing job?
They both hate women (with Morgan going all 'Adolf').
Morgan will say anything, he’s king of the rats.
It is ridiculous how people are publicly dragged for speaking the truth
This was not a "debate", it was an ambush. Drama was the goal here and to Joey's credit, he didn't take the bait!
Piers not knowing whether Alex Scott has won the world cup or not proves everything.
lol exactly. even piers isn't informed on the women's game i was laughing when he made that mistake. he doesn't even believe it but has to be seen as challenging joey so he doesn't get cancelled.
The England women's team have never even won a World Cup nevermind Alex Scott
Exactly you could tell that Morgan was getting information fed to him all through the interview
Who is Alex Scott??🤔
@@theantiauthoritarian.1540 A very hot ex female footballer who appears on TV a lot.
I applaud Joey for being brave enough to speak up for the majority of fans who feel the same way. I wish other people in his position would do the same
He doesn't speak for me, he's racist and misogynistic, just a rich footballer with a platform who doesn't realise how stupid he sounds.
Clown
@@CalRapz Mwrchant banker
@@ericreckless541 liking your own comment how sad you weirdo
@@CalRapzwanker
My dad has always hated women's football and females commentating on the men's game, he's certainly not right wing or sexist he just wants men to comment on it...... we're supposed to have free speech so people should just get over what he said and move on.... more important things going on the world today!!
I agree 100% with you Joey well said.
100% spot on Joey, all the pundits are thinking the same but don't have the bottle. Well done lad.
Bout time an ex footballer has had the balls parden the pun
To say how it is.
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Hi Joey’s mum 👋
@@RoadsideGeeHi Cuck 🙋🏻
@@RoadsideGee cry more.
Load a birds squabbling 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Men’s football speed varies from league to league
'You've got Alex Scott, a world cup winner, something our men couldn't do....oh I've just been told she hasn't won a world cup but she's good' LMAO
and even if they did win the world cup... its a world cup under 15 yr old boys could win or wrexhams team who beat usa womens 12-0 in 40mins.
Exactly women do not come close to beating a man in any physical sport, just facts, but we could not be as good at bringing up a child, or homemaking, ironing etc. horses for corses. Stick to what you’re good at.
You just got destroyed
Who did?
Who the fucks wrexham.
Joey Barton, actually saying what everyone is thinking but is too afraid to get cancelled.
Joey is only saying what a majority of football fans are thinking.
Always going to be chaos with that many people invited.
Joey is 100% right. If we are being brutally honest, decent level men’s Sunday league football is a higher standard than top-level women’s football and if we had Sunday league players analysing EPL games then viewers would quite rightly find it ridiculous!
If sport or football really was equal, there would not be Womens/Mens Tennis, Mens/Women Swimming, Mens/Womens Football. They are separated simply because of biology. There is no way Alex Scott would survive a full blown Roy Keane tackle. If the FA really believed in equality the men and women would be playing in the same team, but even they know that cannot be physically possible.
@@ttube786 stupid argument about "There is no way Alex Scott would survive a full blown Roy Keane tackle", look up what happen to Alfie Haarland with a "full blown Roy Keane tackle".
@@Andyinth yeah and he just about survived. Why is there men's football and women's football? Men and women are equal. So why not be in the same team? You would not have a men's sales team and a womens in a bank. You dont have female cashiers and male cashiers at the supermarket. So why the separation in sports??
Explain how the US Womens national team (at the time world champions) got thrashed by the Aussie state boys under 15s?
These lads are just coming into early manhood🤡
Anyone can get educated on how the game is played and have expertise. Your argument is ridiculous.
Joey Barton is 100% correct. At last someone speaks the truth. Across the board people should be given equal opportunity, no jobs should be given to suite an agenda or quota which is absolutely the situation we are in right now in most walks of life.
Your like Barton a Moron 😂
You're just an incel mate, joey got destroyed by piers, he says women can't comment because they haven't played the men's sport, but male commentators can, like what the f is your point you bag of sticks?
While his sentiments regarding meritocracy is correct, I have a problem with Joey's position.
If you watch football and listen to the commentary and the punditry, there are some terrible male pundits and Joey Barton has never raised any complaint about them. Now that women are being hired, he is raising issue about the standards.of punditry and commentary. Why did he not raise these issues before?
It reminds me of that family guy episode when the group of guys lose their memories but piece together the situation and work out what's gone on. The scene then pans over to the girls who have also lost their memories, but they're just fighting each other 😂
It’s quite simply a different game. Slower, less skilled and not as much pressure. I want to hear from men who have played at the pinnacle of the game, no woman has played at the pinnacle of football.
JB is showing a lot of guts in his battle against the spiteful, nasty and evil woke mafia. Well done Joey and hope he carries on saying what all normal people think but at least he's got the means to say it how it is.
😂😂😂😂😊
Finally someone is brave enough to say what we all think
brave? hes just wanting some attention from incels
Meanwhile, Pearl doesn't think
@@marekfalk5369absolutely
Brave lol attacking young women having a go. More like gutless & weak, or as they say misogynistic
why do people like you think everyone shares your narrow minded world view. No numbnuts, we don't all agree with Bartons BS. Maybe if he hadn't of made the stupid comment about knitting he might look less of prick. But its just misogyny pure and simple.
He worded his tweet completely wrong but he is right with what he's trying to say. There should be no free rides or box ticking agendas
100% right Joey Barton couldn't have put it better myself, ex female players are ruining the game let them talk about the women's game leave the proper game to the experts.
We live in such a woke society. Joey Barton is spot on
Morgan is such a tit. His whole shtick is promoting the woke agenda and the globalist agenda.
That's a good thing tolerance for everyone
poor wee snowflake wouldn't give one name and cried when a woman raised her voice a wee bit😢
I have to watch games on mute with female commentators ..football is the only highlight of a lot of mens week, women just have to be inserted into everything these days .. pathetic
No wonder you like Cobra Kai, the most sexist show on the planet embarrassing.
Joey has just said what most people are thinking but scared to say it.
That includes Piers Morgan.
I don’t think people are scared, I think a lot of the discussion is suppressed
@@GriffosRetroGamingexactly.
@@GriffosRetroGaming If people show intolerance, they're called sexist, misogynist etc...
@@Aerojet01 Piers isn't scared to say anything. Even if he knows he's wrong he'll say it.
Piers saying "fart parcel" killed me 🤣
Tbh he kinda has a point. As a woman I watched the Women’s FA cup final and as I was listening I turned to my girlfriend and said , These muppets literally sound like they have no idea what they are talking about. The commentating was poor, I couldn’t decipher who had the ball or what plays where being made because they spent more time talking the biggest load of crap to each other. I just can’t get into the game in the same way when women are commenting because it feels like they just ramble on
I even get pissed off when I get a woman referee whilst playing FIFA 😂😂
Haha, I leave a club if I get the women coach
@@robgreen320No need to hate women if you can't get a single girl to even look at your bum ass buddy😂 it's alright, no need to be an incel
Do you like women?
Especially when she gives a decision and then changes her mind 5 seconds later
😂😂😂
He's right. Inclusiveness doesn't mean the best person now. Just checking boxes.
We just dont want women in our 2 hours of mens time. Just say it how it is instead of that "best person for the job argument.
as a liverpool fan from asia, i was shocked by his (joey) accent 😂
It’s a Liverpool accent. He’s from Liverpool. Why are you surprised by his accent ???😮
@@HarryHewitt-lh8xx what i'm trying to say is i was shocked because he's a scouser. I know what liverpool accent is
Can’t actually believe that someone is even trying to deny that this tokenism is going on at the end of the day men want to listen to men preferably ex pros not women
Joey Barton 100% correct 👍
Exactly well said 👍
Even my mum thinks its stupid having woman talking about men's football. Joey is 100% correct its all about tokenism and box ticking. He is brave enough to put his head above the parapet too.
The quote of the day has just been on LBC radio!
A caller said 'Claire Balding is so versatile!'
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I believe you, there are many misogynistic women out there like your mum.
Stop press, your mum has commented
Joey, myself and nearly every football loving male (and most females) fully agree with you!
Yes, the women on the panel sabotaged each other to a degree at the end there by shouting over one another. But what they *_didn't_* do was actually *_lose_* the argument, which was that football is the same game with the same rules (just like hockey, tennis or basketball), Barton's line of reasoning being *_"have you ever been tackled at full speed?"_* He lost the argument _right there_ all by himself. Of _course_ the majority in the comments section appear to be in support of him, which proves nothing other than most sane people have got better things to do with their time.
I watched a Joey Barton interview on another yt channel earlier (which brought me here) where you see Barton try to extrapolate beyond that *_central_* point made here, stringing together every prejudice he can, not one of them related _to_ it, including female commentators on other sports, trans-women in female power sports¹, anti-vax nonsense, _'anti-wokeness,'_ ...the whole Mat Le Tissier-style playbook. Everything, that is, *_except_* that central argument for which he has no coherent retort. And then he goes (in relation to female footy pros): *_"I'm better...stronger...faster"_* without irony...fantasising about pretending to be a trans woman and playing against women. I kid you not. The guy is _'troubled',_ shall we say.
[¹] NB: I personally think trans-women *who have been through male puberty* should *_not_* be competing in elite women's power sports. Probably the only thing we can agree on. The good news is that the main sports bodies are some distance from acquiescing to anything of the sort.
The women players have little idea of what it is to be a premiership footballer - what it takes. They're inherently less qualified as pundits and they are being hired BECAUSE they're women and the channels are hooked into DEI targets. Re: life game commentating - different to punditry and a different skill that doesn't necessarily require first-hand knowledge of the game at a high level. But it does require the right voice and I'm yet to hear a women's commentator with the right voice.
Transwomen (males) have no place in women's sport, full stop.
Well done Joey!! 🎉 I’m a woman and even I agree with him, keep woman’s football for woman’s commentary and vice versa within the men’s game 👍🏽
👏👏👏👏👏👏 Take a bow girl
I'm a giraffe , and i agree on behalf of the giraffe community.
@@RobMcLeanEDM Mate you're not a giraffe mibbi a donkey with a stroke ....
I played semi pro for years and have played from age 8 to 32....I understand football....do.inqualify as a pundit of the mens game?? Thus woke nonsense is becoming a race card...
@@lawtonify if your a woman…….NO!
Can’t remember ever liking, agreeing or applauding anything Joey Barton said before but I am 100% behind him in this. Female pundits ruin for me and I never bother with anything they say.
I'm sorry but 50% of the population are women, it's not tokenism. Women can understand a game they haven't played. Many male football journalists have not played football.
You beat me to it.
I don't ever listen to shemale commentators. Thank God for that wonderous invention, the mute button on the remote.
@@charliewest1221shemale commentators? 😂😂de
Word
Joey Barton’s arguments collapse with the simplest of push backs. In addition, going on Piers Morgan’s show and talking about journalistic integrity is also a stretch. Have a serious debate Joey with someone who will pull you up on all of your logically fallacious arguments. At the end you bottled out of answering the questions and blamed it on them shouting at you. It was Pearl who was elevating the conversation by shouting over those making a serious argument
He flipped his point so many timesit made me dizzy.
If you can't clearly explain your opinion and defend it. Don't voice it in the first place
I’m so happy someone has spoke up on this. I been watching loads of football over 30 years and lately all I hear is women pundits and commentators and it’s completely ruining our game .😢
Do what i do turn it off or turn the sound down
@@millwallholdings lol
is it though? how does a woman talking about a game ruin it? what about Motson or jim white or any other non professional footballer commentators?
@@bensolo2000 i dont like the high pitched voices and squeaky tone ok with you Mr Woke MY preference its spoils it for me makes it look amateurish as well GOT IT my opinion, ok with that ?
Also i bet Jim white and Motson were still better than them playing the game WELL SAID JOEY Agree 100%, To even it up cant stand Ricahrds either with his fake girlie laugh MY view
Thanks joey for having the balls to say what we're all thinking.... I personally have resorted to changing the channel because I feel like my brain is rotting after hearing these commentators stating the blatantly obvious.
Its a shame because I used to look forward to the expert analysis and now it's like we've lost it
Me too
EXACTLY- They state the obvious and get paid to do so which is frankly INSULTING to the audience
Oooh you are awful! (Dick Emery, anyone?) speaking about balls where women's football is the discussion.
boring old farts
Every word Barton says is absolutely spot on and 100 percent correct
I'm not a massive Piers Morgan fan but he did ask one question which Joey absolutely failed to answer and that was why he didn't object to male commentators like Des Lynham who haven't played top flight football.
Cos he’s Des Lynham. 😂
Well said Joey. You are absolutely correct.
Well done Joey. I’ve been saying this for ages. It’s not sexist , it’s just fact and there are some poor commentary standards coming through caused by tokenism.
ah yes because most male pundits aren't absolute garbage who can barely string a sentence together let alone a thought. But yes of course women can't watch football and comprehend the game just as much as men. Get better arguments if you're going to talk absolute shit
I shudder to think what the coverage will be like in even a few years. These women commentators are a cancer to football, and millions of men & women fans feel the same about them
You can easily say that your opinion doesn't matter as you've never played professional football, and Joey might say the same thing. And a pro who's been much more successful than Joey might say he shouldn't be commenting on top players in top teams. It's just his opinion at the end of the day as it is any of ours. And I'm sure female pro's know a lot more about the technicalities of football than you and I.
Only issue is, by the same token, why should Ian Wright be allowed to speak on the women's game? I just think Barton's heard one bad commentator and now bases his opinion off that as if Jermaine Jenas isn't one of the worst commentators out there
@@hiddensword9387wow. You really don't get it at all do you? It's not about the "technicalities". The rules are the same. It's about the fact that the mens game is a totally different sport than the womens. IN EVERY SINGLE SPORT THAT IS DEFINED BY PHYSICAL PROWESS, WOMEN ARE GOING TO GET THEIR ARSES HANDED TO THEM BY MEN. Then, by default they don't know what they're talking about. Ta dah.......
As a Sunderland supporter im obviously not a Joey Barton fan.. but I can honestly say he is absolutely spot-on here!
Joey and Pearl were the only ones talking any sence in the debate, it's a crazy phenomenon but at least its being debated and somewhat pushed back in the UK before being allowed to get extreme. enforcing gender equality within professional sports is dangerous and without people like Joey Barton calling bullshit on the woke lefties, this will become outrageous the same way it has in America.
He might not be the best speaker, but they both let the other person complete their thoughts and don’t interrupt each other. It was actually pretty sane for a media interview. I think that he has some good points about tokenism, but it’s difficult to point out when most resumes are fluffed up to pander to identity politics or they might be canceled.
Joey has just announced the feeling of every Male who loves are game
You have the grammar of someone who speaks English as a second language, mate.
@jziffi always one that feels the need to comment on someones choice of grammar. Pathetic mate.
English is my 4th language MATE
@@davidupton5772with a name like davidupton? That’s a very non English sounding name!!
The frustrating thing about this is how journalists, commentators and pundits kept being mixed-up.
💯 they all have a different definition for each of them in their own minds; disregarding any distinction.
Exactly the point I made in my post, female presenters and commentators have just as much a place in any sport including mens football if they can ask the right questions and describe factually what is happening in an entertaining way. The role of the pundit is usually the professional insight from a player or manager, at this point woman can not talk with authority on mens football, neither can 99% of men who have never kicked a ball at the top level.
That's all Joey had to articulate but sadly allowed himself to get blindsided.
Yeah but that's more of an awareness thing. I think Joey's too frustrated to know the difference. Joey's main point is still somewhat valid. What's more frustrating is that MOST pundits will comeout against Joey despite probably agreeing with him in secret
@@samuelbino7915Rubbish , the women commentators are the biggest problem of this issue , women commentary actively ruins the experience of watching the game for millions of fans. Not everybody can be a commentator, its a very skilled profession, and a bad commentator will ruin the coverage. This was known until recently when nowadays anybody seems to thrown on commentary.
Presenters as women, absolutely fine in fact some are better than men. The issue is commentary and punditry.
Absolutely, most of the Play by play and presenters are more like journalists. Word smiths. But co-com, who is bringing the analysis has to be well versed in the sport. If they aren't a men's pro, they need to have done thorough research. But too often you have a lady, who doesn't really watch men's football that much, doesn't know the players and teams well. And they are relying on their knowledge from their playing career. But the standard of play especially for a former women's player is like a 10th division player in England at best.
In a democracy, we're all entitled to our opinion and need to be courteous if possible. The following is about what I hear, rather than a guy liking a lady.
Good pundits / presenters / commentators: Lynsey Hooper, Gabby Logan, Pien Muelensteen, Sue Smith, Kelly Somers, Laura Woods.
Not so keen / sound down: Eni Aluko, Courtney S-K, Lucy Ward.
I used to be alright with Eilidh Barbour and wonder if the narrative she read was 'thou shalt' or her choice. It wasn't particularly helpful, as team selection should be ability based only.
Enjoy your football! ⚽
100% agree with Joey here - there are plenty of tick box presenters in Sports media these days (male and female) and having an opinion on whether that person is suitable for the job is not about their gender. Even my wife refuses to watch the football or rugby when certain female commentators are involved - it ruins it for her too, so it's not just a male 'complaint'.
Spot on joey , it's about time someone said the facts
You’re a wrong un
He was chatting shit. Particularly about the commentary on the Endo goal he completely lied or just got that wrong
It's not facts though is it? Completely debunked unless you think people like Motson, Lynham, Jake Humphreys, Mark Chapman know more about the game than Alex Scott. The only way you could say it was facts is if you said nobody who hasn't played the men's game at the top level should commentate on mens top level football, that would be fair. If not it's sexism plain and simple.
@@CGSocDem ya sound like a beta maie that's part of the 0.0.00001 % of numptys that are ruining the game for us men. I think you should go and wash the pots and pans for your Mrs before you get shouted at
Never thought id see the day where id agree with Joey Barton lol but that day has come.
How funny was it that Joey just sat back and let the women scream over each other 😂😂😂 he was proving his point by staying silent. Top guy
Not really
@@BigBoyProduction oh I think so numpty nuts.
Spot on.. joey is the man. ...this was hilarious folks. Cmon 😅.
Joey spot on- MOTD now is faf
@paulpaulson35
Hi Paul aka joey’s grandad.
My personal problem here is I can’t stand either of these two but to try to be objective look at what is actually said.
Barton ‘women shouldn’t talk about the men’s game’
Barton also ‘it’s like me talking about knitting or netball’ - why not snooker or crown green bowling, strange analogy if you are not basing it on gender.
He would have had more credibility if he had said it’s like getting someone from the conference league to talk about the prem, they are the same game played at different speeds levels, although I suspect Barton would find that more palatable.
Barton - ‘I’ve got a daughter I would want her, if she would like to, to commentate or co commentate on the men’s game’
Morgan ‘so someone like Alex Scott (played at the highest level in euro & World Cup finals & has a degree in broadcasting) is she not qualified?’
Barton - ‘to talk about the men’s game? She hasn’t played it (which presumably his daughter never will btw) I’ve played and been involved in 657 men’s games’
So Mr Barton how will she or your daughter ever hope to be qualified to comment on the men’s game?
In conclusion it would appear that Barton would like to portray his issue is ‘tokenism’ and I’m not in disagreement with that argument however his lack of consistency means to me a veil drops behind his real issue.
In another interview, Barton recently said about his brother that ‘he lost 17 years of his life for having a scrap when someone died’, when In fact he didn’t lose 17 years of his life, he was incarcerated for them, for his part in the murder in an unprovoked attack on a young black male (Anthony Walker)- who ACTUALLY lost all of his life so it’s fair to say he doesn’t necessarily see the world through the same spectacles the majority of us do
Wtf is all that bs about, nothing to do with the debate, get back to your encyclopedia,
If you haven’t got the intellect to understand- stay out of adult conversations
Joey has the balls to say what 99% of Men’s football fans are thinking !!!
There’s only one woman that knows her stuff and respects every word that ex male pros say and she puts out there that she didn’t play at that top level like her fellow colleagues and that’s Geordie Jill !!
The rest are just winging it !!!
Kelly Daglish and Gabby Logan are presenters and doing a good job and that’s fine but when you’ve got some lass who played for Donny Belles for 7 years up there talking twoddle just to tuck a PC box …. Utter crap !!
Bianca Westwood just proved why Barton is right. All feelings and emotions. No self-control or logic. Just me, me, me... Everyone agrees with Barton, but are too scared to say it out loud.
Im not ...go Joey 👊✌️✌️🇬🇧🇬🇧
Whares the logic in dez lynom OK but not a pro female. Essentially it's let women comment on there sports n men on thers. As a potwasher at 41 far more men do cheffing but its a women's place at home fxxxing charming.. joey can't Evan get glasses that fit him.
@@andrewboff5682where * even * ( just helping you out son )
Nobody should agree with Barton because if they do then that would also mean fans shouldn’t be allowed an opinion either and I’m sure absolutely nobody agree fans shouldn’t be allowed to criticise their team’s performance
How embarrassing is that Bianca. Me me me!
Joey Barton, not the hero we deserve but the hero we need.
If Joey Barton is you're hero, you're f**ked
who's we? you?
He's right.
Some people enjoy women's soccer because it is a different game to mens soccer.
Indeed they advertise it as a different sort of play in some markets.
Laura Woods is different, she presents the show and asks questions. That’s fine. It’s the so called experts who have played at the equivalent of under 15’s male football providing their opinion that we can’t be doing with.
“Now I get men come up to me and say how great I am “ ffs this is exactly why Barton is right
Honestly I skipped over the initial part with just him because I was falling asleep. I've never seen such a slow and boring interviewee.
@@Durzo1259yet... Your comment is perfect that's how he feels listening to an inexperienced punter male or female... I don't doubt men in the space get roasted alive if they fu, and if woman are going to get the job based on gender then those same standards can be used to lose the job.
Bianca was an aweful pundit, didn’t have a clue what she was saying, making this all about her, she talks nonsense and is nothing but a loud mouth who should go back to Essex
Yep agree you can tell Bianca Westwood just made that up Pinocchio springs to mind
The guy is 100% spot on and legend for coming out and speaking his mind.
Think you will find bellend is a better word than legend 😂
@@davewright9312Yes if the conversation was in relation to you ...lovvie ✌️✌️🇬🇧🇬🇧
The problem isnt with football commentators. Unfortunately much as i really dont want to hear the screechy voice of Louise Ward. How can she be in front of Jonathan Pierce!!! The problem is with Female pundits like Alex Scott. I dont care how many times she has played from England Ladies. My sons u16 side would have beaten them in her day
Good debate but what is Pearl doing here? Talk about ppl not being qualified for a job. Has nothing to do with the game and she's here. Tokenism at its best.
As a 63 yr old WOMAN I AGREE 100%
As a female to male trans person, I agree with the guy in the glasses...BTW who is he?
@@davedennison7386Andy Burnham
My female friends agree also,, I love men's football and follow some women's football. But Barton is spot on
@@davedennison7386A female to male? With all due respect
That’s not possible.
Regardless of operations or drug hormones etc
Joey is bang on right, he's highlighted the positive discrimination that's happening in the men's game & for Piers to ask him to name someone who he thinks shouldn't be there is just disgusting as Joey wasn't there to single anyone out.
You’re right about Piers being out of order for asking Joey to name names but Joey was too savvy to fall for it. Piers 0 Joey 1
Piers asks a disgusting question. In other news water wet.
Yes agree..Joey came out of this with dignity and integrity…so glad he didn’t name names. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
As if to prove his point, they all start squealing n talking over each other.
You should see the Daily Mail article currently up on this, you would think be seeing it that Joey named both Alex Scott and Laura Woods! (and not that Piers actually ased questions specifically naming these 2) Disgraceful journalism as usual.
I hope that all of these people criticising Joey, including Piers read the comments and realise their view is completely at odds with the general population. We’re tired of the box ticking bullshit
Different speed ,different skill set ,different strength, different understanding , quite right
The recent Liverpool v Sheffield Utd game was ruined by the two female commentators. I felt like I was being nagged by two banshees for 90 minutes. Sometimes, there are more female presenters on some footy shows and it’s fricking annoying. Joey is spot on and should be applauded for his opinion. 👏🏽
Glad someone else mentioned that game, ruining the game.
Totally agree.They shout, talk over and like all these offended wokists are so aggressive.Morgan just lets them get on with it,I suppose he thinks its good tele.
I am becoming anti everything there pushing,women to be in everything, and as for adverts,Im beginning to think I must be in another country.Barton has an opinion and, I would suggest, speaks for what a lot of people think, including women.
The way they use the typical match day phrases, that meat and drink, the defense is at sixes and sevens - shit like that is cringey
@@malcolmwood4302
Mate, I hear you loud and clear, especially on the adverts bollox. There has to be a gay or trans person, someone in a wheelchair, a mixed race couple, a bloke wearing a turban etc etc. I’m black and me and my family find it ridiculous.
@@gazfort8207
Spot on. 👍
I hole heartedly agree with joey. I can't remember the last time I sat and watch a pre match, half time and full time analysis of a game. I've noticed that a lot of the female pundits tend to just jump on the back of what the more experienced men say. I have fallen massively out of love with sitting and watching it because of it. Just look at hoe good Gillette soccer Saturday was. How good it was for years and years. Then they sack all the old panel who where absolutely fantastic to watch and replace them all with either women or a black person. Joey is right it's all become a box ticking exercise and it's destroying the experience.
Wholeheartedly, a hole
Used to watch soccer Saturday religiously. You couldn't pay me to watch that tripe now.
Absolutely 100% right well said Joey.....
2 absolutely completely different games the fact that Wrexham over 50s beat the supposed best female team in the world USA 12-0 says it all
"I'm sorry I'm being told she didn't win a world cup." Joey just should have said, "Thank you, I need to say nothing more. You don't even know because no one knows anything about women's football."