The 2.7 still has the same BHP as a 964 911, without the worry of bore scoring, so don't think you are getting short changed in the power department by buying a base model. They are great cars also.
I’d like to see a video of what kind of pre-purchase inspection can someone do to avoid these issues… especially a pre-purchase available. Lots of lazy shops, since it doesn’t benefit them. Also, we know there is a small probability of this happening, but when it does not everyone can put down almost 100% of the car value repairing the engine…
Hi Joe! I agree completely: if you buy one, you won’t be sorry. That is, of course, taking into account repairs can be expensive. However, contrasted with cars of lesser build quality, requiring more service visits, and it’s almost a draw. I’ve had my 158 K mile CS since 26 March 2007, and I still love it. One year ago we bought a 2011 BS and that car has become my daily driver. I live in California, so a convertible PDK is well suited for the weather and the traffic conditions here. It would be impossible to choose between them, and fortunately I will never have to. Keep up the great content!
Such a great car, i took my Cayman out this morning and after owning it for 3 years im still blown away about how fantastic it drives, it looks and i got my first speeding ticket this morning. wah wah wah..
I love my Cayman S Gen 1. I think if you have the extra funds go for the Gen 2 for peace of mind reliability wise, otherwise it’s a great value usable classic car that makes you smile every time you get in it and out of it!
@@JoeTalksCars Yeh the gen1 definitely looks more classic. I think 981 looks great though. Probably really the one to have without needing a second mortgage and still retaining the flat 6.
Before buying i already spoke to Hartech ( the porsche engine masters ) they said every single one will Eventually sore gen 1 3.4 cayman s , I held out for one until I spotted one on autotrader with a full hartech engine rebuild bought 4 years ago and a will never sell the car and has been the best purchase ever, he also said the gen 2 are not as bulletproof as people say and now their actually starting to see some cases of engine issues with gen 2 obv not as bad but yeh I’ve drive mine daily other than servicing and consumables it’s been bomb proof !!!
Hi Joe, Hello from California, I’m still waiting for my 997 engine rebuild from bore scoring too and thanks for your excitement with your Porsche as it makes me confirm that it’s worth it,,,lol EBS Racing in Reno is converting it from a 3.6 to 3.8 so I can’t wait to get it back.
@@BrianJohnson-kh7mg 997.1 a native of California. Owned it for few years and exhaust just started blowing out white smoke then snaked it with camera to find bore scoring.
I seem to find myself in the same position with my newly acquired 2006 Cayman S. I can faintly hear a slight tick at idle. I can wipe some oily soot from tailpipes. I found a log in the car and it seemed the owner was surprised at the oil consumption and calculated about 717 miles between adding a quart. Other than that it performs great. And to think all I was worried about when making up my mind to buy it was that the IMS bearing might fail...........
Biased from me but on the question of looks, I think the R is the best looking. It’s stance being lower makes a significant difference, more hunkered in and purposeful….but yours on those wheels does look very nice indeed! It all went downhill after the 997/987 era looks wise.
Well Joe your experience deterred me from buying the 987 rather I bought the Gen 2 manual which is destined for classic Porsche status due to its limited run and bulletproof engine, it’s an improved version of the Gen 1. I don’t want to drive any Porsche thinking of bore scoring or IMS bearing, for peace of mind the Gen 2 suits my budget. £10k is a lot of money for an engine rebuild for a mare mortal like me, however the Gen 1 would be perfect without those expensive rebuild lurking around.
1.5 years ago I bought 2005 987.1 Boxster S with 100k miles. so far I had to do an engine rebuild, replace the clutch, shocks, a/c, alternator, some plastic and rubber pipes that gave up, fix the roof, put two new O2 sensors, and a lot of other minor issues. I didn't even get it to a paint shop or upholstery yet, and I am already 20% behind the market value. The worst part is: I tell myself after fixing one check engine after another that this is it. I have replaced almost every part of the car. There is nothing left to get broken. And yet every time I find myself wrong. These cars are for masochists, people with strong nerves, deep pockets, and a lot of free time to fix or get it to/from the shop constantly.
My 55 plate 120d Bluetooth module repaired, entertainment system repaired, alternator, turbo, intercooler, 4 injectors, front top mounts, front struts, rear shocks, all 4 bumpstops, 4 springs, rear lower shock mounts, front lower control arms, tension struts, 4 anti-roll bar drop-links, power flex arb bushes and rear top shock mount bushes replaced with new but I do have 148000 miles. I forgot to include radiator, condenser and steering rack replaced
Joe- how are you? Thanks for the videos - super helpful. Currently in the process of buying a Cayman base 2007. Should I worry about the bore scoring??
Avoid cars from cold climates and don’t put load on the motor till oil temp has reached temp this engine will do 300,000 Kay’s in the hands of a champ and 3000 Kay’s with a moron.
Even after your engine rebuild, the car has cost you approximately $43k Aussie dollars. You can't buy a good S model in Australia for under approximately $60k. You are still way ahead IMO. The British market is different, but just adding some perspective.
@@MadelnMachines Bore scoring and IMS are different. It has an IMS bearing that is upgradeable and replaceable without engine out, unlike the 2006 onwards 3.2 and 3.4 (engines 61504715 and up). Bore scoring does not affect the 2.7 or 3.2, you will find next to no reports on Google. Feel free to research it but please specifically for the 3.2. www.rpmspecialistcars.co.uk/app/uploads/2020/03/M96_M97_GTPorsche-Cylinder-Bore-Scoring.pdf
Love the cayman but they command a higher price than the boxster and pretty sure I have just as much fun in my 2.7 987. 1 boxster and both are a great shape
Yeah never really understand the higher price but I just love the shape of the Cayman. I am a huge fan of the looks of the Boxster but to be fair the one I drove was not good, I have yet to have a go in another.
987 are ace cars for the money, I went gen2 base but 265hp is spot on for me on the roads.
The 2.7 still has the same BHP as a 964 911, without the worry of bore scoring, so don't think you are getting short changed in the power department by buying a base model. They are great cars also.
They're more expensive and desirable too as they don't blow up
Bs, my 07 base cayman 2.7 had scoring
I’d like to see a video of what kind of pre-purchase inspection can someone do to avoid these issues… especially a pre-purchase available. Lots of lazy shops, since it doesn’t benefit them.
Also, we know there is a small probability of this happening, but when it does not everyone can put down almost 100% of the car value repairing the engine…
Hi Joe! I agree completely: if you buy one, you won’t be sorry. That is, of course, taking into account repairs can be expensive. However, contrasted with cars of lesser build quality, requiring more service visits, and it’s almost a draw. I’ve had my 158 K mile CS since 26 March 2007, and I still love it. One year ago we bought a 2011 BS and that car has become my daily driver. I live in California, so a convertible PDK is well suited for the weather and the traffic conditions here. It would be impossible to choose between them, and fortunately I will never have to. Keep up the great content!
Such a great car, i took my Cayman out this morning and after owning it for 3 years im still blown away about how fantastic it drives, it looks and i got my first speeding ticket this morning. wah wah wah..
still in love with my gen 1 987 cayman your right still an incredibly good looking car imo
It would be interesting to see more on the implications of 14k turning into 24k with no end in sight other than an open hatch ❤
I love my Cayman S Gen 1. I think if you have the extra funds go for the Gen 2 for peace of mind reliability wise, otherwise it’s a great value usable classic car that makes you smile every time you get in it and out of it!
Yeah I would go .2 if I did this all again. I do genuinely think the 987.1 looks better tho!
@@JoeTalksCars Yeh the gen1 definitely looks more classic. I think 981 looks great though. Probably really the one to have without needing a second mortgage and still retaining the flat 6.
Before buying i already spoke to Hartech ( the porsche engine masters ) they said every single one will Eventually sore gen 1 3.4 cayman s , I held out for one until I spotted one on autotrader with a full hartech engine rebuild bought 4 years ago and a will never sell the car and has been the best purchase ever, he also said the gen 2 are not as bulletproof as people say and now their actually starting to see some cases of engine issues with gen 2 obv not as bad but yeh I’ve drive mine daily other than servicing and consumables it’s been bomb proof !!!
Yeah I heard that from where I had mine rebuilt. 987.2 they had in needing rebuild. I am hoping mine will remain reliable now.
Hi Joe,
Hello from California,
I’m still waiting for my 997 engine rebuild from bore scoring too and thanks for your excitement with your Porsche as it makes me confirm that it’s worth it,,,lol
EBS Racing in Reno is converting it from a 3.6 to 3.8 so I can’t wait to get it back.
Did you get a PPI? Was yours a cold weather car? Haven't met anyone in socal that had this.
@@BrianJohnson-kh7mg 997.1 a native of California. Owned it for few years and exhaust just started blowing out white smoke then snaked it with camera to find bore scoring.
I seem to find myself in the same position with my newly acquired 2006 Cayman S. I can faintly hear a slight tick at idle. I can wipe some oily soot from tailpipes. I found a log in the car and it seemed the owner was surprised at the oil consumption and calculated about 717 miles between adding a quart. Other than that it performs great. And to think all I was worried about when making up my mind to buy it was that the IMS bearing might fail...........
Spot on. There is no better car for the money. 100%
Just can be hard on the wallet to keep on the road
Biased from me but on the question of looks, I think the R is the best looking. It’s stance being lower makes a significant difference, more hunkered in and purposeful….but yours on those wheels does look very nice indeed!
It all went downhill after the 997/987 era looks wise.
Well Joe your experience deterred me from buying the 987 rather I bought the Gen 2 manual which is destined for classic Porsche status due to its limited run and bulletproof engine, it’s an improved version of the Gen 1. I don’t want to drive any Porsche thinking of bore scoring or IMS bearing, for peace of mind the Gen 2 suits my budget. £10k is a lot of money for an engine rebuild for a mare mortal like me, however the Gen 1 would be perfect without those expensive rebuild lurking around.
1.5 years ago I bought 2005 987.1 Boxster S with 100k miles. so far I had to do an engine rebuild, replace the clutch, shocks, a/c, alternator, some plastic and rubber pipes that gave up, fix the roof, put two new O2 sensors, and a lot of other minor issues. I didn't even get it to a paint shop or upholstery yet, and I am already 20% behind the market value. The worst part is: I tell myself after fixing one check engine after another that this is it. I have replaced almost every part of the car. There is nothing left to get broken. And yet every time I find myself wrong. These cars are for masochists, people with strong nerves, deep pockets, and a lot of free time to fix or get it to/from the shop constantly.
My 55 plate 120d Bluetooth module repaired, entertainment system repaired, alternator, turbo, intercooler, 4 injectors, front top mounts, front struts, rear shocks, all 4 bumpstops, 4 springs, rear lower shock mounts, front lower control arms, tension struts, 4 anti-roll bar drop-links, power flex arb bushes and rear top shock mount bushes replaced with new but I do have 148000 miles. I forgot to include radiator, condenser and steering rack replaced
Forgot to include the corroded rear brake lines replaced…
Joe- how are you? Thanks for the videos - super helpful. Currently in the process of buying a Cayman base 2007. Should I worry about the bore scoring??
So as far as I’m aware the 2.7 base cars don’t suffer the same fate, so you should be fine.
Thanks! Man. I appreciate the reply. I’m based out of Miami. I purchased the car yesterday. 🎉
Avoid cars from cold climates and don’t put load on the motor till oil temp has reached temp this engine will do 300,000 Kay’s in the hands of a champ and 3000 Kay’s with a moron.
Never heard that but that does make sense!
Even after your engine rebuild, the car has cost you approximately $43k Aussie dollars. You can't buy a good S model in Australia for under approximately $60k. You are still way ahead IMO. The British market is different, but just adding some perspective.
Just buy a 2.7 or 3.2 (Boxster) which don't get bore score if worried :)
I didn't know the 3.2 Boxster wasn't a bore scoring / IMS risk. Where did you hear that?
@@MadelnMachines Bore scoring and IMS are different. It has an IMS bearing that is upgradeable and replaceable without engine out, unlike the 2006 onwards 3.2 and 3.4 (engines 61504715 and up). Bore scoring does not affect the 2.7 or 3.2, you will find next to no reports on Google. Feel free to research it but please specifically for the 3.2.
www.rpmspecialistcars.co.uk/app/uploads/2020/03/M96_M97_GTPorsche-Cylinder-Bore-Scoring.pdf
That’s the best advice to give somebody wanting one of these. The 3.4 just isn’t worth the pain.
I think you’re the only person who says the Bose sound system is good, makes a nice change!
Really? I mean it’s not up there with modern systems but for a car of this age it’s better than most
@@JoeTalksCars yeah I agree with you, some people are very picky!
Love the cayman but they command a higher price than the boxster and pretty sure I have just as much fun in my 2.7 987. 1 boxster and both are a great shape
Yeah never really understand the higher price but I just love the shape of the Cayman. I am a huge fan of the looks of the Boxster but to be fair the one I drove was not good, I have yet to have a go in another.
@@JoeTalksCars said before mines available for a review
I avoided the 987 gens all together. i got the 981
To me the 981 looks better but I also felt it was a bit too refined and GT. Not much fun unless you get on the revs and not much feel.
@@MadelnMachines I prefer the looks of 987, but completely agree about the driving comparison to the 981.
When will the channel monetize Joe? Dude you desperately need to buy new pants! 😜
Seriously, great video.
Haha I have now got some without holes!! Must be the RUclips cash 🤣🤣🤣
You forgot the S in the title. The base doesn't have this issue, so this video is misleading.
I bought a cayman with bore score? Not misleading, it’s what I did.