You gotta understand when you raise the octane on any car ,you gotta add timing to the tune to raise horsepower... even if you use pure 100 octane you won't feel the difference unless you add extra timing or more boost
Exactly what I was thinking I am very new to this game and trying to do A little research on boostane,, And the minute he said stock Corvette I'm thinkin if he didn't tune the car for more timing it's useless,,,, Like I said I'm new at this but just thought it was funny cause what I was thinking watching the video and then check the comments what you said was right on my mind,,,lol
@@CalebsCarsit’s adaptive timing/ or variable timing. Fords can add timing as long as it sees no knock. Good quality fuel or additive or e85 is what you want of course. A mustang as an example will run 28 degree of timing if it senses no knock. On 91 octane most mustangs run around 18-20 degrees. Therefore you can pick up 8-10 degrees of timing with running half a bottle of boostane to a full tank. Which is around 25-35 wheel horsepower proven on a dyno. (We have done it at our shop) it’s amazing. Your plugs do turn orange or brown but it causes no problems at all. Race gas 110 or whatever leaded race fuel does the exact same thing. It just means you should change plugs 10-20k miles instead of 35k miles. Cheap maintenance to have more power and have your engine run 1000% better as it never has any knock.
Octane boost wont give a stock engine more power. It will allow a high compression engine to run on pump fuel. It's the higher compression that gives more power.
Boostane is a good product mate. The orange is because of the MMT in it. You need to adjust ignition timing so you can see benefits from it. Otherwise your car will just adjust to the stock maximum tune. Which is very conservative from any brand. Only cars i've tested that increases timing by itselft when on higher octane fuel are toyota's. Ecu from toyota is very adaptive and they increase and lower timing depending on what you put in your fuel tank.
Very late reading this but I have very hard time prooving this and now finally I see it from a professional like you sir. Thank you for putting this in very simple words. I am from middleeast and we import cars from USA. Mostly they're toyota's .We notice a difference realy when we fue. There's an engine hesitation for seconds I was believing this was the reason. But my minds say does really Japanese implementation AI since those days 😅 . But do you think it can go over the maximum crank horsepower like changing air intake + high octane fuel. Will it adjust 20 or 30 HP increase without changing timings?
@@mindpeace6226 yes in deed. Just unplug the battery for 10 minutes . Pour the octane booster in and then reconnect the battery and start the car. Idle it for 5 minutes and it should adjust timing by itself with the new treated fuel. My Toyota Tundra ecu adapts up to 98 octane fuel. Anything beyond that won’t have any effect unless I manually tune it.
All ford v8’s from like 2014+ have variable timing and will add a lot of timing and keep adding as it won’t see any knock when running a quality additive. New mustangs live this shit… my 2019 picked up 29 rwhp on a dyno after adding half a bottle of this to 91 octane. (Should be around 98 octane) my car picked up 8 degrees of timing and was pegged at 28 degrees the whole dyno pull and had 0 knock. On 91 my car was at 22 degrees of timing then it had some knock and went to 20 and held 20 until end of dyno.
a 20 hp difference will not be detectable by the seat dyno. the higher octane will prevent the computer from pulling timing. put ur truck back on the dyno and see if it's pulling timing. if it is not then ur tuner was correct and the product works. and changing plugs more often is part of having performance cars/trucks.
I am glad you made this little video it is helping me understand a little better why people will use this and will not use it,,,, I think if you are not raising your timing then it is best you do not waste your money on something when you will not reap any benefits,,,
I was hoping it would stop my truck from pulling timing. Without putting it back on the dyno I can't confirm whether or not it did. But I couldn't feel a difference in daily driving.
I've been running it on my BMW 335i turbo for over 3 years... My car was tuned for 95octane... chart says to use 4oz for a tank... I had to use 8oz to get timing corrected mixing with 93octane... great stuff..the orange don't mean shit... as I mentioned before was tuned for 95octane... I switched to E20 recently... now that really really works... :)
@@DooDickyrunning a full bottle to a tank gets to around 98-101 octane which is close to e85 as it’s around 100-102 octane give or take. Way easier for most as e85 is hard to Find unless your in a Huge town. E85 also after a week or so seperate and you get water in fuel or can.. so if your car sits a lot then e85 is not good.
Bro, you can’t just throw a bunch of octane booster in your stock car and expect it to perform like a built race car. Yes, to SOME extent these factory cars and their ECU will allow for increased performance if slightly higher octane is used, but you have to understand what it’s actually doing. The factory tune won’t necessarily “add” timing advance to take advantage of higher octane fuel in the tank. What it will do is when it doesn’t see any knock count, it will keep advancing to the highest point of the preset timing tables until it does see knock. But this is a finite point, and due to torque management, emissions requirements and ultimately not wanting to repair drivetrain components under warranty the factory tune is still very performance limited. In a nutshell yes you will see better performance on say 93 octane vs 87/89, but you won’t continue to see gains on a stock ecu tune if you up the fuel to 98/100/108/112 etc because there are no timing tables programmed in to take advantage of this level of octane. You can indeed over octane an engine, because all an octane rating is telling you is a fuels resistance to pre-ignition/detonation. This means a higher octane fuel takes more heat to combust, and if you are not tuning your ecu to accommodate this you reach a point where the fuel is not being fully combusted in your engine resulting in the issue you made this video about. Before you worry about some sort of high octane race fuel type blend for your stock car, get a proper tune. Until then, fill up with pump 93 and enjoy your car.
Thank you for your response and the info provided. Not sure if you watched the video or if I just did a bad job of explaining it. The truck and corvette are both tuned. Truck is tuned on pump gas and adding Boostane created no noticeable difference. Corvette is tuned with Boostane, and there was no noticeable difference when I stopped using it.
Your both right and wrong, more octane wont make nore power without running more boost or timing but if you vehicle is pulling timing to supress knock you will see a power increase with higher octane. Which is why you probably noticed a power increase in your hemi
When I had a 70 Camaro I use Sunoco 93 all the time, it also left deposits and made my plugs look like that. I later started adding a full bottle of 104 to a 1/4 tank on a Saturday night. She ran like a beast, may have been in my head donno for sure
I don't like mmt for the same reason, I find using small amounts of ethanol to raise octane and if you have a way to monitor your air fuel you can lean out your mixture a bit too on a stock tune. I use around 8-10% e85 mixed with Chevron 94 non ethanol gas and that way I'm still well within the 10% total content but I'm getting around 95-96 octane. Wot goes from 11.6:1 to 12.3:1 and feels nice. Also if you're stuck using that stuff you can clean your plugs up with a wire brush depending on what they're made of (I don't think you can clean platinum plugs).
@@SmoknJaysGarage I have a wideband in the cabin so I can kinda monitor it but yeah even 3-4 gallons should be fine mixed with ethanol free fuel (if it's available around you). Closed loop takes care of the driving stuff
If you wanna know how well boostane works go fill a high compression Harley motor with 87 and then dump the boostane in and listen to the pre detonation knock go away.
Toluene is best octane booster. Expensive though. Formula one teams ran straight Toluene with a splash of diesel in the 1980s when they were running over 5 bar boost pressure.
Did you datalog to see if the truck stopped pulling timing? I just put a VMP Gen 2R on my ‘11 Mustang and the datalog showed that it was pulling a bit of timing past about 6300 rpm. I’m tuned by VMP and they recommended an octane booster, so I just ordered some Boostane Profrssional. I’m going to datalog again once it comes in to see if it’s still pulling timing up top. A datalog is a lot more telling than seat of the pants feel. I only drive my car about 3,000 miles a year though and most of those miles are to and from the drag strip. I also change spark plugs annually.
I put it back on the dyno with boostane, and per that, it was still pulling timing. I also tried racing fuel, that gave me another 25hp to the wheels. But I didn't feel it was worth the money. I'm currently tuned on 91. VMP is supposed to run much cooler than Roush. I had intake temperatures of 140 after several passes.
The orange buildup is the manganese and magnesium they use to raise the octane. If you flake it off your plugs, you will notice that it is like sandpaper grit. That is the issue. You get the octane boost, but you also get a high wear inducing product into your cylinders. That is why I stopped using all "octane boosters". I did find a different product that I have been testing and it seems to work pretty well without the manganese and magnesium.
Yes the orange buildup is from mmt and is completely normal. There is no grit in it lol, boostane is also an upper cylinder lube so its actually very good for your top end. Products not containing mmt do very little to raise octane. If your looking for a 1 or 2 number increase then yes there are products out there.......anything more your gonna have to resort to mmt and boostane is the only product with mmt to not seperate over time.
It’s burned to the spark plugs, because sparks plugs just sit there during combustion. The manganese gets fused to it, it doesn’t stick to anything else.
I also saw my plugs tune Orange but my uncles being drag racing for decades using this boosters and no issues. I also was weird and stopped using them , but I will ask my tuner to see if I should add some . We only get 91 pisst water gas at az
91 is the best we get here too that's ethanol free. My tuner advised against using this anymore. But I'd be curious to hear your tuners thoughts as well. I don't think it hurts anything per say, but I don't feel I got any benefit from it either. My corvette was tuned with it in the tank, and when I stopped using it, I didn't notice any difference.
@@SmoknJaysGarage yeah , but I big note on the gas , I used to get 91 chevron religiously but I notice does station are low on traffic and regularly are being top off . I notice from pretty much anyone that uses Sam's clubs gas it's the way too . I also notice that gas station is almost impossible to go too cus its packed to the rim with people. But from this tank fill up I notice this gas is way good
If you had taken the time to educate yourself, about the chemical makeup of Boostane and the effects of the MMT contained in it, you would already know the brick red/orange color is perfectly normal for any product containing MMT. Get your vehicle tuned to take advantage of the increased octane and then let everyone know what the difference is. Dyno the before and after and then report back. IYKTYK!!!
If you would have actually watched the video I clearly state that per Boostane this is normal. You would have also known that the corvette was tuned with and without it.
It’s just mmt my plugs would do that with Torco accelerator if you have a race car it’s perfectly fine if it’s a daily car then you won’t be beating on it enough to need it
You should have a peek at your catalytic converters. They will look identical to your o2 sensors. With regular use it'll clog the cats. Even the ones that say "safe for catalytic converters" will eventually clog them. That orange coating builds up over time.
@@Oakleyworld the manufacturer says this will happen. And that you'll have to replace your plugs sooner. However, I think tats with continued use. A couple times I wouldn't worry about. Your plugs will still probably outlast your warranty.
I use VP Racing Octanium unleaded. Only to get me to 93 octane. VP Racing even says to limit use or you damage emission items. It's. 2020 Mustang GT with a Ford Racing tune. So anything above 93-94 octane is probably a waste. I also run 2 gallons of E85 per tankful. This gets me closer to 94-95.
Seems like a lot of extra work to fill up with 3 different things gs every tank to get 95 octane, especially since you said anything above 93 is a waste. Maybe just use the 93 pump?
@@SmoknJaysGarage not really. I do it at one station. I add 2 oz. of VP, than 2 gallons of E85(true E 85 in Cali), the rest 91. Yes it's a ritual, but I enjoy my ritual.
I don't think you'd feel a difference without a tune for it. From what I understand it's a non oxidized octane buster so you don't need a tune but it will prevent it from knocking. You should fuel up with 87 and mix to 91 and see if it knocks if you have a way to monitor that
@@vinnybscoolstorybro2273 there wasn't an audible knock. Just the tuner told me that the computer was pulling timing due to the knock sensors. However, since filming this, I've gotten a bigger boat. When pulling it I do sometimes hear a knock before it downshifts. So your theory if definitely worth a try.
You have to retune the car. Of course it won’t add hp if your tuned to run 91. Plus water in your fuel can turn your plugs orange. I use it but I don’t try to get 7 octane points out of it. I go From 93-97. The orange won’t hurt anything is a color of the deposit like carbon is black. You don’t consider your plugs ruined from some carbon do you? Sane thing with o2 sensors. I’ve never had an issue using boostane.
According to the boostane website, their product does ruin plugs. They estimate you'll get about 20,000 miles less per set. My car is tuned with it in, but I've stopped using it. There is no noticeable difference without it. The truck wasn't tuned with it, I only used it in the hopes if would prevent the knocking that was pulling timing. I was only running 7° of timing where I should have been closer to 15°. I have retuned the truck since this video, but still without boostane.
Octane booster do work. Before my car could only pull .9-1 g in 4 gear and I used VP racing octane booster and I t got me up to 1.10 G pull in 4th . Octane boosters do work best if your running no emissions IMO
@@jeff666p I also said that my knock sensors were pulling timing. Higher octane should have stopped that. The "more power" would have been the lack of power loss that I was getting.
I'm boosting my 2020 mustang gt. I'll have it tuned with 91 in the tank. After that I was thinking about mixing a very small rate of boostane just to prevent any knock if I should happen to come across bad gas. I wonder if the mix rate of .18 ounces per gallon would do the same to my plugs. Also I'm a big fan of marvel mystery oil. I bet running that in the fuel would help keep everything clean.
Possibly... I pulled the heads off the Z06 yesterday, and they too are orange. After I stopped using it, I didn't notice any difference. And the car was tuned using it. But give it a try and see how it works on your application. As far as octane boosters, they're always rated in the top 5 everywhere online.
@@SmoknJaysGarage thank you. I guess I'll see what the tuners say after tuning on 91. If it makes the desired hp number I'm shooting for I'll call it good. I'd rather not use octane booster if I don't need to.
@@lobbyrobby let me know how it turns out. I've got a buddy that just put a Roush supercharger on his '20 stang. Haven't had a chance to ride in ot yet though.
I have used the lucus octane booster. I was having some knocking on my WRX and after adding it to my tank it kept the ECU from pulling 2-3 degrees of Timing I had on regular 91. Not sure if that one fouls the plug as well.
The orange color is from the MMT (Methylcyclopentadienyl Manganese Tricarbonyl) which is a manganese-containing metallic additive that is blended into their formula. It will shorten the life of your plugs by about 20k miles (per boostane's websight). It will also build up on things like your valves and o2 sensors.
I used too much octane booster and all of my plugs turned orange, I'm assuming the tops of all pistons and bottom of all valves turned orange? Will this shit burn off using premium unleaded and quit using booster? Will it burn off or did I harm the engine??
According to Boostane's website, plugs turning orange is normal. You will get substantially less life out of them, but you are not damaging your engine. I can't confirm that is actually true, but I haven't noticed any other negative effects from using it.
You won’t make more power with higher octane fuel. Higher octane allows you to turn up the boost and/or add timing to make more power without detonation. If it was as simple as higher octane fuel makes more power then you should put diesel in your gas vehicle…
It's all explained if you had watched the whole video. Gasoline and diesel don't run well together unless you have a multi-fuel engine. You can't just run diesel in a gasoline engine.
so.. you have not tuned for higher octane.. or reported any actual issues with your plugs, or o2 sensors.. but orange=bad... ok then. I use it.. for the past 2 summers.. and run a 100 octane file that gets me around 50whp over my 94 file. Im changing my plugs shortly, not because I have issues, but because they have been in the car for 4 years.
As stated, I started using it in the hopes of eliminating my vehicle pulling timing at high RPMs due the knock sensors. This was just my experience, if you're getting good results with that's great. They are one of the biggest names in fuel additives, so some people obviously like it. I just didn't see the value in it for me personally.
@@josephcastellano8350 I pulled my plugs and there was no sign of fouling, changed out my wideband, there was some staining, but the new one performed exactly the same as the old, no shift in readings. maybe 8k put on the plugs and o2 sensors and still doing fine.
I didn't put it on the dyno again afterwards. But I couldn't feel any difference from using it. I had my corvette dyno tuned with boostane in the tank. I also stopped using it in the vette, and didn't notice any difference without it. There may possibly be a difference that a dyno could detect, but i couldn't feel any difference driving either vehicle with or without it.
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Stop bashing companies when you aren’t using the product correctly. You know nothing when it comes to octane or tuning obv. Stick to the stuff you know.
@@isca21 I didn't bash the company in any way. In fact, I clearly stated I was not bashing the company, only stating my personal experience with it. If fact, the company themselves confirm the negative side effects.
You gotta understand when you raise the octane on any car ,you gotta add timing to the tune to raise horsepower... even if you use pure 100 octane you won't feel the difference unless you add extra timing or more boost
Exactly what I was thinking I am very new to this game and trying to do A little research on boostane,, And the minute he said stock Corvette I'm thinkin if he didn't tune the car for more timing it's useless,,,, Like I said I'm new at this but just thought it was funny cause what I was thinking watching the video and then check the comments what you said was right on my mind,,,lol
That is true but if it’s pulling timing out if it seeing knock then you will feel a difference
Ford’s have adaptive octane logic in their tunes. So even on tuned boosted cars, you can still gain hp because the ecu will keep advancing
@@CalebsCarsit’s adaptive timing/ or variable timing. Fords can add timing as long as it sees no knock. Good quality fuel or additive or e85 is what you want of course. A mustang as an example will run 28 degree of timing if it senses no knock. On 91 octane most mustangs run around 18-20 degrees. Therefore you can pick up 8-10 degrees of timing with running half a bottle of boostane to a full tank. Which is around 25-35 wheel horsepower proven on a dyno. (We have done it at our shop) it’s amazing. Your plugs do turn orange or brown but it causes no problems at all. Race gas 110 or whatever leaded race fuel does the exact same thing. It just means you should change plugs 10-20k miles instead of 35k miles. Cheap maintenance to have more power and have your engine run 1000% better as it never has any knock.
@@xGR1MxREAPERx bro I know
You have to increase timing for more power that’s the point of more octane
Octane boost wont give a stock engine more power. It will allow a high compression engine to run on pump fuel. It's the higher compression that gives more power.
Neither vehicle I used it in was stock. But thanks just the same.
Boostane is a good product mate. The orange is because of the MMT in it. You need to adjust ignition timing so you can see benefits from it. Otherwise your car will just adjust to the stock maximum tune. Which is very conservative from any brand. Only cars i've tested that increases timing by itselft when on higher octane fuel are toyota's. Ecu from toyota is very adaptive and they increase and lower timing depending on what you put in your fuel tank.
Very late reading this but I have very hard time prooving this and now finally I see it from a professional like you sir. Thank you for putting this in very simple words. I am from middleeast and we import cars from USA. Mostly they're toyota's .We notice a difference realy when we fue. There's an engine hesitation for seconds I was believing this was the reason. But my minds say does really Japanese implementation AI since those days 😅 . But do you think it can go over the maximum crank horsepower like changing air intake + high octane fuel. Will it adjust 20 or 30 HP increase without changing timings?
@@mindpeace6226 yes in deed. Just unplug the battery for 10 minutes . Pour the octane booster in and then reconnect the battery and start the car. Idle it for 5 minutes and it should adjust timing by itself with the new treated fuel. My Toyota Tundra ecu adapts up to 98 octane fuel. Anything beyond that won’t have any effect unless I manually tune it.
All ford v8’s from like 2014+ have variable timing and will add a lot of timing and keep adding as it won’t see any knock when running a quality additive. New mustangs live this shit… my 2019 picked up 29 rwhp on a dyno after adding half a bottle of this to 91 octane. (Should be around 98 octane) my car picked up 8 degrees of timing and was pegged at 28 degrees the whole dyno pull and had 0 knock. On 91 my car was at 22 degrees of timing then it had some knock and went to 20 and held 20 until end of dyno.
@@xGR1MxREAPERx yes in deed most of modern fords with vvt also self adjust timing depending on the fuel you use
a 20 hp difference will not be detectable by the seat dyno. the higher octane will prevent the computer from pulling timing. put ur truck back on the dyno and see if it's pulling timing. if it is not then ur tuner was correct and the product works. and changing plugs more often is part of having performance cars/trucks.
I am glad you made this little video it is helping me understand a little better why people will use this and will not use it,,,, I think if you are not raising your timing then it is best you do not waste your money on something when you will not reap any benefits,,,
I was hoping it would stop my truck from pulling timing. Without putting it back on the dyno I can't confirm whether or not it did. But I couldn't feel a difference in daily driving.
@@SmoknJaysGarageuse your tuner or any free monitoring software and a $30 OBD tool.. it can monitor your knock and timing.
I've been running it on my BMW 335i turbo for over 3 years... My car was tuned for 95octane... chart says to use 4oz for a tank... I had to use 8oz to get timing corrected mixing with 93octane... great stuff..the orange don't mean shit... as I mentioned before was tuned for 95octane... I switched to E20 recently... now that really really works... :)
Glad to hear positive results.
Do you like running the ethanol mix vs the octane booster?
Is e20 better than using few oz of octane booster?
@@DooDickyrunning a full bottle to a tank gets to around 98-101 octane which is close to e85 as it’s around 100-102 octane give or take. Way easier for most as e85 is hard to Find unless your in a Huge town. E85 also after a week or so seperate and you get water in fuel or can.. so if your car sits a lot then e85 is not good.
Bro, you can’t just throw a bunch of octane booster in your stock car and expect it to perform like a built race car. Yes, to SOME extent these factory cars and their ECU will allow for increased performance if slightly higher octane is used, but you have to understand what it’s actually doing. The factory tune won’t necessarily “add” timing advance to take advantage of higher octane fuel in the tank. What it will do is when it doesn’t see any knock count, it will keep advancing to the highest point of the preset timing tables until it does see knock. But this is a finite point, and due to torque management, emissions requirements and ultimately not wanting to repair drivetrain components under warranty the factory tune is still very performance limited. In a nutshell yes you will see better performance on say 93 octane vs 87/89, but you won’t continue to see gains on a stock ecu tune if you up the fuel to 98/100/108/112 etc because there are no timing tables programmed in to take advantage of this level of octane. You can indeed over octane an engine, because all an octane rating is telling you is a fuels resistance to pre-ignition/detonation. This means a higher octane fuel takes more heat to combust, and if you are not tuning your ecu to accommodate this you reach a point where the fuel is not being fully combusted in your engine resulting in the issue you made this video about. Before you worry about some sort of high octane race fuel type blend for your stock car, get a proper tune. Until then, fill up with pump 93 and enjoy your car.
Thank you for your response and the info provided. Not sure if you watched the video or if I just did a bad job of explaining it. The truck and corvette are both tuned. Truck is tuned on pump gas and adding Boostane created no noticeable difference. Corvette is tuned with Boostane, and there was no noticeable difference when I stopped using it.
Raising the octane won’t increase horsepower. It can actually lower horsepower if your vehicle is not tuned to use higher octane fuels
Not true, it actually increase tq and horse power in untuned cars, i have 5.7 hemi and i can tell a big difference
Your both right and wrong, more octane wont make nore power without running more boost or timing but if you vehicle is pulling timing to supress knock you will see a power increase with higher octane. Which is why you probably noticed a power increase in your hemi
When I had a 70 Camaro I use Sunoco 93 all the time, it also left deposits and made my plugs look like that. I later started adding a full bottle of 104 to a 1/4 tank on a Saturday night. She ran like a beast, may have been in my head donno for sure
At least it's not just me 😀
I don't like mmt for the same reason, I find using small amounts of ethanol to raise octane and if you have a way to monitor your air fuel you can lean out your mixture a bit too on a stock tune.
I use around 8-10% e85 mixed with Chevron 94 non ethanol gas and that way I'm still well within the 10% total content but I'm getting around 95-96 octane. Wot goes from 11.6:1 to 12.3:1 and feels nice.
Also if you're stuck using that stuff you can clean your plugs up with a wire brush depending on what they're made of (I don't think you can clean platinum plugs).
I never thought to add a little ethanol. Not a bad idea.
@@SmoknJaysGarage I have a wideband in the cabin so I can kinda monitor it but yeah even 3-4 gallons should be fine mixed with ethanol free fuel (if it's available around you). Closed loop takes care of the driving stuff
MMTs when burned turn into a bonding lead.....Destroys sparkplugs, cats and o2 sensors....
If you wanna know how well boostane works go fill a high compression Harley motor with 87 and then dump the boostane in and listen to the pre detonation knock go away.
The repair for knock is going to cost more than changing the sparks plugs more often
Thanks for the comment, that's probably true. Although I haven't heard any knocking since the new tune. So hopefully I'm good.
Toluene is best octane booster. Expensive though. Formula one teams ran straight Toluene with a splash of diesel in the 1980s when they were running over 5 bar boost pressure.
I'll have to check them out, thanks.
Did you datalog to see if the truck stopped pulling timing? I just put a VMP Gen 2R on my ‘11 Mustang and the datalog showed that it was pulling a bit of timing past about 6300 rpm. I’m tuned by VMP and they recommended an octane booster, so I just ordered some Boostane Profrssional. I’m going to datalog again once it comes in to see if it’s still pulling timing up top. A datalog is a lot more telling than seat of the pants feel. I only drive my car about 3,000 miles a year though and most of those miles are to and from the drag strip. I also change spark plugs annually.
I put it back on the dyno with boostane, and per that, it was still pulling timing. I also tried racing fuel, that gave me another 25hp to the wheels. But I didn't feel it was worth the money. I'm currently tuned on 91. VMP is supposed to run much cooler than Roush. I had intake temperatures of 140 after several passes.
The orange buildup is the manganese and magnesium they use to raise the octane. If you flake it off your plugs, you will notice that it is like sandpaper grit. That is the issue. You get the octane boost, but you also get a high wear inducing product into your cylinders. That is why I stopped using all "octane boosters". I did find a different product that I have been testing and it seems to work pretty well without the manganese and magnesium.
Good information, thank you.
Yes the orange buildup is from mmt and is completely normal. There is no grit in it lol, boostane is also an upper cylinder lube so its actually very good for your top end. Products not containing mmt do very little to raise octane. If your looking for a 1 or 2 number increase then yes there are products out there.......anything more your gonna have to resort to mmt and boostane is the only product with mmt to not seperate over time.
And the product would be what ?! 😅
What do u use now
It’s burned to the spark plugs, because sparks plugs just sit there during combustion. The manganese gets fused to it, it doesn’t stick to anything else.
I also saw my plugs tune Orange but my uncles being drag racing for decades using this boosters and no issues. I also was weird and stopped using them , but I will ask my tuner to see if I should add some . We only get 91 pisst water gas at az
91 is the best we get here too that's ethanol free.
My tuner advised against using this anymore. But I'd be curious to hear your tuners thoughts as well.
I don't think it hurts anything per say, but I don't feel I got any benefit from it either. My corvette was tuned with it in the tank, and when I stopped using it, I didn't notice any difference.
@@SmoknJaysGarage yeah , but I big note on the gas , I used to get 91 chevron religiously but I notice does station are low on traffic and regularly are being top off . I notice from pretty much anyone that uses Sam's clubs gas it's the way too . I also notice that gas station is almost impossible to go too cus its packed to the rim with people. But from this tank fill up I notice this gas is way good
I dump a full can in my GT500. Great results and the knock sensors add timing.
No they don't, they pull timing.
If you had taken the time to educate yourself, about the chemical makeup of Boostane and the effects of the MMT contained in it, you would already know the brick red/orange color is perfectly normal for any product containing MMT. Get your vehicle tuned to take advantage of the increased octane and then let everyone know what the difference is. Dyno the before and after and then report back. IYKTYK!!!
If you would have actually watched the video I clearly state that per Boostane this is normal.
You would have also known that the corvette was tuned with and without it.
The orange color is probably lead deposits.
Av-gas has similar build up.
It’s just mmt my plugs would do that with Torco accelerator if you have a race car it’s perfectly fine if it’s a daily car then you won’t be beating on it enough to need it
You should have a peek at your catalytic converters. They will look identical to your o2 sensors. With regular use it'll clog the cats. Even the ones that say "safe for catalytic converters" will eventually clog them. That orange coating builds up over time.
You are correct....if I had cats 😉
yeah exactly, I clogged my old 2005 bmw x3 with fuel additives, NEVER AGAIN, if you want to go faster, get some mods done.
Does the orange rinse off over time if you stop using octane boosters?
A little bit, but not much. 2 yrs without it didn't clear up the 1 summer I used it.
@@SmoknJaysGarage i used booster twice and now im freaking out since the car brand new with warranty
@@Oakleyworld the manufacturer says this will happen. And that you'll have to replace your plugs sooner. However, I think tats with continued use. A couple times I wouldn't worry about. Your plugs will still probably outlast your warranty.
These actually work very well on ecoboost engines .
Can you tell a different running it vs not?
Explain.. I got a 2020 explorer ST. 🤔
Thanks!
The deposits are from the MMT in the formula- the same as 104 +
I use VP Racing Octanium unleaded. Only to get me to 93 octane. VP Racing even says to limit use or you damage emission items. It's. 2020 Mustang GT with a Ford Racing tune. So anything above 93-94 octane is probably a waste. I also run 2 gallons of E85 per tankful. This gets me closer to 94-95.
Seems like a lot of extra work to fill up with 3 different things gs every tank to get 95 octane, especially since you said anything above 93 is a waste.
Maybe just use the 93 pump?
@@SmoknJaysGarage not really. I do it at one station. I add 2 oz. of VP, than 2 gallons of E85(true E 85 in Cali), the rest 91. Yes it's a ritual, but I enjoy my ritual.
@@davidtennien39 if you enjoy it, go for. I thought just adding the boostane got to be an inconvenience.
I don't think you'd feel a difference without a tune for it. From what I understand it's a non oxidized octane buster so you don't need a tune but it will prevent it from knocking. You should fuel up with 87 and mix to 91 and see if it knocks if you have a way to monitor that
Do you think that would have an advantage over just filling up with 91 at the pump?
@@SmoknJaysGarage probably but it it didn't knock it would prove that it does what its supposed to
@@vinnybscoolstorybro2273 there wasn't an audible knock. Just the tuner told me that the computer was pulling timing due to the knock sensors.
However, since filming this, I've gotten a bigger boat. When pulling it I do sometimes hear a knock before it downshifts. So your theory if definitely worth a try.
You have to retune the car. Of course it won’t add hp if your tuned to run 91. Plus water in your fuel can turn your plugs orange.
I use it but I don’t try to get 7 octane points out of it.
I go From 93-97. The orange won’t hurt anything is a color of the deposit like carbon is black. You don’t consider your plugs ruined from some carbon do you?
Sane thing with o2 sensors. I’ve never had an issue using boostane.
According to the boostane website, their product does ruin plugs. They estimate you'll get about 20,000 miles less per set.
My car is tuned with it in, but I've stopped using it. There is no noticeable difference without it.
The truck wasn't tuned with it, I only used it in the hopes if would prevent the knocking that was pulling timing. I was only running 7° of timing where I should have been closer to 15°. I have retuned the truck since this video, but still without boostane.
To me it’s easier to add 1 gallon of e85 to 4 gallons of 91 premium which makes 93-94 octane or e18-20 which your computer will compensate for
Why would you feel a difference in power on a stock vehicle. You would have to tune for the extra octane.
@@selecta2700 my vehicle isn't stock.
Octane booster do work. Before my car could only pull .9-1 g in 4 gear and I used VP racing octane booster and I t got me up to 1.10 G pull in 4th . Octane boosters do work best if your running no emissions IMO
You need a tune to get an increase with higher octane. Higher octane without a tune is just good to prevent detonation
If you watched the video, that was exact reason I was using it.
@@SmoknJaysGarage you said you didn’t experience anymore power with it.
@@jeff666p I also said that my knock sensors were pulling timing. Higher octane should have stopped that. The "more power" would have been the lack of power loss that I was getting.
I only get my OAR close to -1.00 only with Boostane on the premium fuel, or, mix in E30 fuel
I'm boosting my 2020 mustang gt. I'll have it tuned with 91 in the tank. After that I was thinking about mixing a very small rate of boostane just to prevent any knock if I should happen to come across bad gas. I wonder if the mix rate of .18 ounces per gallon would do the same to my plugs. Also I'm a big fan of marvel mystery oil. I bet running that in the fuel would help keep everything clean.
Possibly... I pulled the heads off the Z06 yesterday, and they too are orange. After I stopped using it, I didn't notice any difference. And the car was tuned using it.
But give it a try and see how it works on your application. As far as octane boosters, they're always rated in the top 5 everywhere online.
@@SmoknJaysGarage thank you. I guess I'll see what the tuners say after tuning on 91. If it makes the desired hp number I'm shooting for I'll call it good. I'd rather not use octane booster if I don't need to.
@@lobbyrobby let me know how it turns out.
I've got a buddy that just put a Roush supercharger on his '20 stang. Haven't had a chance to ride in ot yet though.
@@SmoknJaysGarage I'll try to remember. Is he on 91 too?
@@lobbyrobby he's in Michigan. So either 91 or 93. I think they have a lot of 93 there. But I know he's not on E85.
I have used the lucus octane booster. I was having some knocking on my WRX and after adding it to my tank it kept the ECU from pulling 2-3 degrees of Timing I had on regular 91. Not sure if that one fouls the plug as well.
Thanks. I'll have to give that a try.
Most people dont know what the orange color is from and why its happening to the spark plugs! Can you explain what its from?
The orange color is from the MMT (Methylcyclopentadienyl Manganese Tricarbonyl) which is
a manganese-containing metallic additive that is blended into their formula. It will shorten the life of your plugs by about 20k miles (per boostane's websight). It will also build up on things like your valves and o2 sensors.
TRY ADDING 1/2 A CAN TO 10 GALS AND ADD 2 TO 4 DEGREES TO TOTAL TIMMING.
That seems like a very strong mix...
@@SmoknJaysGarage THATS HOW I RUN IT IN MY BOAT WITH AN 10.5 TO 1 496 BBC. 110 OCTANE OUT OF 91 OCTANE
@@BROTHERSKEEPER777 I hate to have the bill to gill that up. Lol
I used too much octane booster and all of my plugs turned orange, I'm assuming the tops of all pistons and bottom of all valves turned orange? Will this shit burn off using premium unleaded and quit using booster? Will it burn off or did I harm the engine??
According to Boostane's website, plugs turning orange is normal. You will get substantially less life out of them, but you are not damaging your engine. I can't confirm that is actually true, but I haven't noticed any other negative effects from using it.
Would you use boostane on a dirtbike ?? Thinking on using it
I don't think you would see any benefit on your dirtbike. But if you do try it, let me know how it turns out.
@@SmoknJaysGarage will do
You won’t make more power with higher octane fuel. Higher octane allows you to turn up the boost and/or add timing to make more power without detonation. If it was as simple as higher octane fuel makes more power then you should put diesel in your gas vehicle…
It's all explained if you had watched the whole video.
Gasoline and diesel don't run well together unless you have a multi-fuel engine. You can't just run diesel in a gasoline engine.
It’s worth it doing plugs vs running 116 race fuel lol trst me 116 not cheep , andddd knock will kill you motor long before a plug will lol
so.. you have not tuned for higher octane.. or reported any actual issues with your plugs, or o2 sensors.. but orange=bad... ok then. I use it.. for the past 2 summers.. and run a 100 octane file that gets me around 50whp over my 94 file. Im changing my plugs shortly, not because I have issues, but because they have been in the car for 4 years.
As stated, I started using it in the hopes of eliminating my vehicle pulling timing at high RPMs due the knock sensors. This was just my experience, if you're getting good results with that's great. They are one of the biggest names in fuel additives, so some people obviously like it. I just didn't see the value in it for me personally.
Glad you commented,,,,,tring to see how long people are getting out of there plugs,,,,, What are your thoughts on your 02 sensors??
@@josephcastellano8350 I pulled my plugs and there was no sign of fouling, changed out my wideband, there was some staining, but the new one performed exactly the same as the old, no shift in readings. maybe 8k put on the plugs and o2 sensors and still doing fine.
just wondering did it ever fix the time pulling after using the boostane?
I didn't put it on the dyno again afterwards. But I couldn't feel any difference from using it.
I had my corvette dyno tuned with boostane in the tank. I also stopped using it in the vette, and didn't notice any difference without it.
There may possibly be a difference that a dyno could detect, but i couldn't feel any difference driving either vehicle with or without it.
Oh man where to start.
Sell me the Rest of the boostane 👍🏼
If you're local, I'd be happy to.
I'll take those bottles off your hands. Triple
Send me those bottles you won’t be using anymore I’ll take them.
u were using too much each time
Possibly. I was using the recommended amount per the tuner that dyno'd my truck.
Why do you look so tiny compared to your truck?
It's a big truck.
He's a small guy, I take dumps bigger
@@Camaro254 Are symathetic to Soliemani and what believed in? I mean don't get me wrong I don't want anyone dead, even the extremely wicked. I'd rather them turn from their ways to Jesus. This is a honest question, I'm not trying to be insulting in any way.😁
@@JesusisLOVEJohn- General soleimani was a savior and hero to all christians in the middle east, while ISIS was murdering christians on Syria and Iraq, etc... Soleimani protected the christians, Muslims from being slaughtered by ISIS. They held Sunday mass in his honor all throughout the Christian churches in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen, etc... He was their protector.
Who is this guy lmfao
Probably no one you know.
Stop bashing companies when you aren’t using the product correctly. You know nothing when it comes to octane or tuning obv. Stick to the stuff you know.
@@isca21 I didn't bash the company in any way. In fact, I clearly stated I was not bashing the company, only stating my personal experience with it. If fact, the company themselves confirm the negative side effects.
Octane boosters are crap
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