@@generalgrievous4299 this way antiheroes are far more effective when fighting against villians that are beyond redemption or have close to no morality in order prevent innocent people getting injuries or killed.
Payaso, el Dios De La Destrucción I like antiheros as well. In fact some of my favorite characters are antiheros. However at the same time I think the traditional hero still has a place in the modern world. However even if a charecter is a figure fights for the overall good of humanity it's still important to show them have moments of selfishness and flaws to make feel like good people but people non the less. For example Gandhi probably had moments where he was a total asshole but overall he represented some of the humanities best qualities . not every charcter needs to be tragic hero like a Hamlet Macbeth, or Walter White sometimes it's good just to have a hero. Someone who represents alot of the higest ideals that humanity has to offer. I like charecters who explore some of the darker side of humanity but at the same time it's also important to explore the more postive side of humanity.
Superheroes of comics are no where near perfect, iron man was an alcoholic for a good while, spider man isn't perfect he does make mistakes, hank pym is like the opposite of perfect. What I'm trying to say is that they are all heroes that are relatable
Any (good) hero has flaws, otherwise it's just bad writing. The main difference for anti-heroes is that their far less noble attitude. Which, indeed, is generally more relatable for people, since we're usually bigger assholes than the conventional hero.
Anti-heroes have more story and depth to them than traditional heroes. They're not afraid to get their hands dirty and get the job done. They can also be persons who tried to do the right thing BUT always get screwed over, therefore they take the law into their own hands without a care in the world.
a real judge jury executioner , who do what needs to be done while the "perfect hero" save a cat out of the tree, the anti hero will kill the rapist and the worst criminal so the innoncent people can walk safe
Heroes are not perfect tho, except for Supeman and Captain america I guess. Iron man and Batman are the real bosses and they are awesome flawed but great heroes.
@@Anubis-xk4ht Which Anti-heroes? Batman is not an Anti hero you know and neither is Ironman. On the contrary Anti heroes are less interesting. The most interesting one are those on the verge of becoming Anti heroes but never crosses that line.
@@gustaf3811 I meant in overall anti heroes are better than heroes and villains I believe this aspect is what drove people the most to stone cold Steve Austin
well thats the problem dude you may think that anti heroes relatable and certain extent yeah they are. But the question is how? Do you kill people who dont like or hurt you or try explaing their problem to them. Do we like to treat other womens like objects for us men to use or treat them as human being emotions and feeling. Do we accept that yet that people who do mistakes should atleast get one chance of redemption or no chance. you see anti heroes just like villains represents the dark side of human nature. but heroes on the other hand represents the best aspects of the humans thats why they are hard to understand not because they are not relatable because they present an ideal we can strive towards. Not perfection but the best of a person.
@@mirzaarslanbaig2949 the human race as a whole is invasive and 3 of the biggest issues humanity caused is overpopulation pollution and war anti heros are kinda needed more than regular heros the human race is already a parasitic race to begin with why have traditional heros that ignore the actual issues humanity is facing
Captain America is the last traditional do the right thing always superhero in main stream movies that actually works because people are so cynical and want dark and serious shit so much this days that seeing a old fashioned likeable hero is actually refreshing
Kenan Harris don't get me wrong I love iron man but he is pretty much a borderline anti hero he is egotistical and still tho a good guy pretty selfish he does what he thinks is the right thing out of emotions most of the time that makes him a hell of a interesting hero but not the classic do right guy he is pretty much the opposite of captain America thats why there always at odds
Kenan Harris true but cap breaks the rule for the right reasons were as tony is at times completely impulsive take avengers 2 they both had visions of the thing they feared but cap dealt with it moved passed it tony lost his shit and built ultron in civil war cap was there when all the deaths happened but he knows the avengers did everything they could to save everyone because he wouldn't even let them leave if they didn't try tony sees one dead kid and gets emotional and signs the Accords
Kenan Harris I agree iron man is a hero I said he borderline anti but he is not but cap just more of that classic do the right thing no matter what iron man is more of a modern hero
except Hulk all the avengers are classic heroes maybe it's because Marvel is part of Disney? Ironman is a bitt self centered and practically a Diva but he still counts as a hero. now answering the two questions watchmojo asked what do I prefer? I like both heroes and anti heroes basically my favorite TV Character is an Anti Hero Dr House meanwhile my favorite movie character is more of a classic Hero which is Iron/Tony Stark I think its important to keep it always fresh to have both as main characters of course in different films or series. now what do I think will happen well I think with a very few exceptions Anti heroes have taken over for a long Time. maybe one day Heroes will rule again but it won't be soon.
Sara Zonana thank you with that remark. For a long time now we have been getting so many anti-heroes it has become boring a nice mix of heroes and anti-heroes would be nice. I feel this oversaturation of anti-heroes is the worst because it is making whatever medium they are in stale and predictable.
I honestly like both. That being said, I feel like there has to be a healthy mix between the two. We can't all have heros that play by the rules or 10 deadpools or punishers.
I'm pretty sure execution has more to do with it than content. Captain America has some of the best films in the Marvel universe. If WB made Superman in the way that Marvel made Captain America, he would still have the old fashion ideals, and would still capture a modern audience. But they made him all tortured and struggling with morality because they want to appeal to the Wolverine audience.
Ya, I guess that didn't make too much sense lol. What I meant was the Wolverine movies do well because they do Wolverine justice. But sometimes you get "Wolverine Origins" because it's assumed by production that people just want to see the claws. And I believe that they made the same mistake with Superman, curbing the character to try and reach a specific target audience, rather than just making a Superman movie. Producers may be assuming that people only like Wolverine because, claws are cool, so they think they're following suit by giving Superman "claws." Making him all broody and not at all Superman-like lol.
@@keyaaghaei Batman and Spidey is the only heroes I like. The way the media portrays them is driving me away from the genre. I ain't gonna argue with you anymore. Gonna let it be bygones be bygones.
To everyone who thinks Batman is a “traditional hero” hear me out... Batman is a anti hero in my eyes for the simple fact of him willing to break laws for the betterment of everyone involved. Burglary, theft, assault, and torture are some methods of how Batman handles his crime. So in the eyes of the law he is a criminal but the cops fail to realize that he’s doing it for a greater moral purpose💯
Ok i see what your saying but every hero breaks some laws and codes. Even Captain America broke in to that building in Endgame. Every hero will be a anti hero in that case. Nobody is without flaws. For me a anti hero does really bad shit and not a theft. Like The Hound in the first seasons of Game of Thrones or Mike from Breaking Bad. They are really badguys that do bad shit but with good hearts. Batman does everything for justice, to save Gotham or people in it. I think a anti hero is just a badguy we like. For example do we think Falcone is a anti hero? No. Because we just see him as a mob figure. But we see Tony Soprano as a anti hero because we see more of him. His weaknesses, love for the family etc. But in the end he is a criminal like Falcone or real persons like Gotti, Capone etc. A anti hero for me is a badguy i love/like. Batman is s good guy who sometimes breaks some laws to get justice, totally different.
yes, but he doesnt kill joker, what? "everyone needs second chance"? joker has lots of chances already, he still kill people, i mean lots of people, he has little to no more morality, i dont see the point of keeping him alive, like joker escape once is enough reason to kill him, yet what does batman do? keep letting him killing the innocent by just capturing him because "he needs second chance" or "we dont kill" or "if i kill him then i will be like him"
This is also the reason why Marvel succeeded in the 70's. To quote itsjustsomerandomguy, "Why aspire to be like Superman when you can relate to Spider-Man?"
Anti Hero is heroic core intentions, unlikable or realistic traits, a backstory or circumstances that explains their flaws, brutal methods, and enough moral limits not to be evil. Depending on what type of story, you don't need all of theses things
I feel like Captain America has always been that Knight in shining armor. He always wants to do the right thing and stands his ground. I am enjoying his current run even though it is not exactly the same as his movie counterpart.
There was a fine line between Anti-Hero and a straight up Villain, and i find that some movies are starting to cross over. Instead of a movie centered around an Anti-Hero, it's just a movie that is from the side of a straight up Villain and expects us to root for them because the movies about them. Suicide Squad is the obvious example, they continuously tell us "these people are the bad guys!" and you just don't care about anyone, and by the end, you just root for Will Smith. Not Deadshot, just Will Smith. But i watch a lot of Garbage on netflix, and a lot of the movies are like "this is a bad guy, doing bad things, he doesn't learn a lesson, he gets no comeuppance, he hardly grows if not at all." And if they try to add some character to the person, the audience is told, and not shown. But hey, that is just me, maybe other people like to watch that sort of thing.
Heroes are defined in literature as having a flaw. Heroes aren't perfect, they have a challenge or conflict that they must overcome. An anti-hero is littered with flaws. It's where they are redeemed in our eyes that allows them to function in the story. Looking at the comments below, I can see people missed out on this lesson.
I agree. Even Captain America broke in to that building in Endgame. Every hero will be a anti hero in that case. Nobody is without flaws. For me a anti hero does really bad shit. Like The Hound in the first seasons of Game of Thrones or Mike from Breaking Bad. They are really badguys that do bad shit but with good hearts. Batman does everything for justice, to save Gotham or people in it. I think a anti hero is just a badguy we like. For example do we think Falcone is a anti hero? No. Because we just see him as a mob figure. But we see Tony Soprano as a anti hero because we see more of him. His weaknesses, love for the family etc. But in the end he is a criminal like Falcone or real persons like Gotti, Capone etc. A anti hero for me is a badguy i love/like. Batman is s good guy who sometimes breaks some laws to get justice, totally different.
I feel like Heroes have taken a decline with popular culture because of our preconceived notions of what a hero is. For the most part we believe them to be these big chinned, blond hair muscle bound meat heads that fight for good. But I think what makes a hero great is their unwavering determination to fight for what's right. The problem with making a good hero comes in the villain or the odds they face. The hero always has to be the underdog or at the very least, have his morals constantly tested. The problem with today's media culture is that so many directors like to make their heroes more relatable and realistic so they go ahead and have them break their morals or turn evil or give up on their crusade. But I think that's a bunch of baloney, when you have a character who, against all odds, doesn't break; you create someone for the people to root for. When you try to make them more relatable by having them break their morals they feel like a letdown, like you've watched them go all this way just to fail. But heroes aren't meant to be relatable, that's why they're heroes. No one great came out of a situation where they didn't face any sort of strife. Every great hero faces conflict and odds. And it's only when they come out on top, when they saved the day despite what they faced, that they truly become the heroes that we deserve.
Hate You As much as he tries to be a hero, he's more of an anti hero. He's killed plenty of times in the comics as a last resort or out of self defense, he's pessimistic, he's a womanizer, he's paranoid, and he has everlasting hatred towards criminals.
In my opinion Anti-Hero are not villain nor hero, they do things in their own will. No rules. They do what they think what is right. They don't follow the ideology of "perfect hero".
Cotton Hill, Dayle Gribble, Huey Freeman, Major from Ghost In A Shell, Charlie Harper have become so relatable that they are so close to actual human beings. It’s even to the point that some anti hero’s think they need to keep up apperences, or have a certain persona, put on a show or even do what they have to do; this could be what other people expect, other people/characters part of the book, film, anime, video game, comic-book, cartoon expect from them as well. It even go so far of what the anti hero does according to his/her expectations.
Lotta people keep sayin anti-heroes are better because they're relatable, but the truth is heroes will always relate to the audience in some kind of way. I don't think it matters rather they are perfect or not, we will always to connect to the characters we watch on screen.
Hero Traits: Bravery, Mercy, Selflessness, Intellect, and Strength. My Traits: Bravery, Mercy, Selflessness, and Intellect. As for Mercy, I'll keep you guessing.
@@theapexfighter8741 I know what I typed. If a hero possesses 5/5 of those traits, I possess 4.5/5 of those traits. Mercy being dependent on who my enemies in terms of how evil they are and their purpose of being so.
Why do heroes have to show mercy, the villains never show mercy, so why do some of them deserve to be spared, personally I would have all of those traits, but only about half of mercy
I think heroes in the classical way can still be relevant, absolutely. However, that needs to be a character trait for them. Wonder Woman for example that I watched recently is a classical hero, who puts herself in front of others when a danger comes, who believes in ideals, and respects others. That is a character trait, but it's also a flaw, as her absolute idealism turns off the possibility for grey areas where anti heroes live in. But that's who she is, and will do things for the greater good. The Punisher on the other hand does what he does in his mind for the greater good, but he doesn't act selflessly, his whole mission came from personal reasons and it makes him feel better when he kills criminals, and that can be seen by the brutality he kills some instead of just killing them fast. That's his character trait. Both these characters are interesting in their own respect, if done well. As long as the character has something to learn and some philosophy, are not absolutely powerful and have flaws and problems they can't go through easily, they will be interesting. I also think that the more we move away from classical heroes, the more they will start becoming interesting again. As much as I prefer anti heroes, Wonder Woman was a bit of a fresh breath, as it was about a genuinely good person who wanted to help people. Simple, but effective, and just made me realize that this has become a rarity lately.
Alexander Angelus I definitely agree with this. If the tv producers shoehorn Anti Heroes just because it’s the trend one day it will be boring and people will go back to check the traditional hero. I don’t want Anti Heroes to go away and disappear completely but it’s just i think there should be a balance and I agree with you there can be very interesting heroes it’s just about writing them well. I think IronMan is a great example of it. He is clearly a good guy with really good intentions, does he have some flaws sure. He can act like a diva sometimes but it’s clear his priorities of just having a good time changed once he escaped from that cave where was kidnapped. Actually Heroes who change their priorities and go through an arc from selfish to selfless are as interesting as Anti Heroes. actually they are some of the best like IronMan and Oscar Schindler from Schindler’s list who was a real life hero. Mmm that film should have kept the name of the book it was based on which was named Schindler’s arc it was much more suitable. Though the big difference is IronMan changed because he was almost death meanwhile Schindler in Schindler’s list changed his motives when he saw a young girl die. But at the end it’s really good to see a story of a hero who makes a big change in his life because of something they experienced .
Anti Heroes are what I like to root for these days. Cause if we live in a world where scums, corruption and vile baddies everywhere and no justice is served, sometimes if you want something done right, you got to do it yourself.
A character idea I have for a story similar to the plot of "Taken". These are the main characteristics I have: "Pros": wants to break up a prostitution ring to save his girl, will break it up completely even after he saves her & gets her to safety, has considerable wealth, time, and resources to help rehabilitate those who accept his help, is not interested in physically hurting those who oppose him in excess unless it's necessary, defends those who need defending. "Cons": hustled/conned people growing up & legally gambled to get his wealth once he was of-age, arrogant, quick-tempered, fights dirty in close combat, burns physical location of the underground ring after he escapes despite antagonists still inside, lectures/berates people that he defends in some manner. On a scale of 0-100 where 0 is a pure antagonist, 50 is the "ideal" anti-hero, 100 is the "stereotypical" hero, where is my character at? I think the pros are too much for a pure anti hero but I could be wrong. Thoughts? Just part of a fun little project I'm going to do in the future.
Heroes try to save everyone, including villians from their evil. Anti-heroes may try to save only good ppl or ppl who are very close to them. They either won't care about villians or kill them
Step one: Read the article about anti-heroes on TVTropes. Step two: Copy it. Step three: Change it a bit, so it doesn't seem obvious. Step four: Upload it as it is your own work. Anyway, anti-heroes have more interesting personality, they have more character development, and usually have a sad backstory. By the way, Daredevil is an anti-hero too.
Deadpool has been all over the morality spectrum that I don't see why people classify him as an antihero. He's often just as villainous as he is heroic.
Hey, Deadpool may have started of as a villain, but he was later portrayed as an antihero, just like venom and they both stopped being villainous, and became more heroic, they don’t hurt or kill innocent people, they help and saves their friends and Allies, and kill all of their villains and enemies, especially the worst of the worst, and Spider-Man began seeing them both as friends, and when Deadpool works as a mercenary, he’s not motivated by money, he cares about saving lives and the world, and he only kills villains and criminals, he won’t kill other heroes, and especially not other heroes or innocent civilians
@@Sjono Yeah, I know about Earth 1610 Deadpool, he’s pure evil, he was a boss and he had level in spider-man shattered dimensions, if you’ve ever played that game, his TV show is called “Pain Factor” you get it because it’s the opposite of Healing Factor because that’s what he has 😂 But 616 Deadpool killed 1610 Deadpool, which makes him a hero in my opinion, so I don’t think we’ll ever be seeing or hearing from him ever again, which makes 616 Deadpool a chaotic good antihero
Michael Brent I like most of the characters on your list. To be honest I never thought of Stitch a Anti Hero, but when I think about it now I can see his actions weren't for the greater good, but his own reason (mostly childish, selfish, and for his own Ohana (family) sake). I love that fictional trouble maker for it.
Batman is definitely an anti-hero. Due to his lack of super powers he has to result to brutal tactics to put enemies out of a fight, killing instances aside his enemies suffer from broken bones. He maims those who stand against him, and inspires FEAR not hope.
Even modern anti hero’s such as Dexter, Oscar The Grouch, Batman, Harley Quinn, Homer Simpson, Brian Griffin, Walter White from Breaking Bad, Catwoman, Evelyn Harper, Peter Griffin, Serveous Snape, Spike, Dean Winchester, Peter Griffin, Sam Winchester, Gwen Quagmeyer
An anti-hero is someone who is both a hero & a villain. They are right in the middle of the grey line. Anti-heroes, especially ones like Deadpool have no limits & can do whatever they want because they feel like it, they can, & they love it. Heroes do good. Anti-heroes can do both good & evil. Villains do evil. This is the most broad definition I could possibly find.
Anti-Heroes are so much more popular that they ironically become more like Heroes to people than traditional Heroes who are seen as lame, old fashion, boy-scouts etc etc.
Great video, agree with all of it. But one thing I think defines an anti-hero that mojo didn't mention; anti-heroes are about good ends through terrible means. Deadpool; I have to save my girlfriend and fix my face, but i'll gleefully kill thousands to do it. Breaking bad; I have to provide for my family, but I'll sell drugs to do it. Dexter; I'm taking control of a terrible mental condition but by using it against people worse than me. Etc, etc, etc. Heroes at the end have good intentions; how they get to those ends is what separates the anti-hero from the hero.
In most media, heroes are portrayed as pure good, they fight for the greater good for themselves and everyone else without caring if they get anything in exchange for they virtues, they care for themselves and others, they save the lives of their friends, families, allies, and innocents at the cost of their own, and they always try to solve problems in the most morally correct way as possible, and because of that, they’re always reluctant to kill an an enemy or villain, and they can only kill villains in acts of self defense or as a last resort to stop them from doing evil forever and they always show remorse for having to take someone’s life, even if they’re pure evil, and that means they can never intentionally take an enemy or villain’s life, and they can’t do it out of rage or be corrupted by their anger or hatred and they can’t exact revenge, since their either going to abandon their quest for vengeance, or it may feel empty to them and not worth it, or even forgive the villain, and all their benevolence, ingenuity, and and innocence may provoke their downfall. the only differences I feel that anti heroes have good intentions are do good deeds for their own personal interests and later on learn to come through for, care for, and help others all at the cost of themselves and for the sake of others, and have a change of heart and be humbled thanks to the hero’s influence on them and even come to each other’s aid and they slowly grow as a person and a hero, and become good people with good hearts and true heroes and be willing to do what ever it takes to ensure their victory, and they use brutal and morally dubious methods due to being a victim of a horrific event, and moment and being exposed to trauma and immense hardships that will want to make them take a darker and bleaker path, and they may be violence, wrathful and unscrupulous, they firmly feel that ruthlessness, brutal methods, and killing is necessary to make a difference and real change. They might also expect things in exchanges for their virtuous actions, especially if their assassins, mercenaries, bounty hunters, hitmen, or treasure hunters, and if they’re much more focused on truth, justice, heroism, and morality, they would take anything they receive in exchange for their heroics as a bonus and use it to help others, like if they got money, they would give it to the poor and buy food, clothes, and a shelter for the homeless or give it to charity and be philanthropic, and they would also be willing to kill to exact revenge on their enemies and villains to Avenge their allies, friends, loved ones, innocents, and even other heroes killed by the villains and for the greater good so they can never hurt or kill anyone else or the hero ever again, and be very brave, compassionate, valiant, and self-sacrificing deep down, and both types of heroes have flaws that they try to overcome and heroism and morality may at first come off as tiresome or tertiary to them, but also believe in peace and saving the world, guided by their pure goals and dreams of justice and firmly believes that evil should be punished some pure goods heroes that are wrathful always try to control their anger and always feel remorse after their explosion of rage and if they want revenge they either won’t do it, see it as wrong, or after doing it immediately regret it and try to atone for it and they always try to be pleasant, selfless, incorruptible, forgiving, not killing, have their actions speak louder than their words, always act naive, and only be lawful, chaotic, or neutral good because of their moral alignment and some of them even make death threats to their enemies and have the potential to kill but they don’t, but they might have to protect themselves or others. Also, are all pure good heroes really always and will be that much better than the antiheroes because they make the harder the decision of not getting angry and wanting revenge and choosing not to kill, but the antiheroes choose to cross the line, which one of them is truly better, and which truly makes the harder decisions that makes them better than the other? And how would media and pop culture be like if the heroes and villains were firmly divided into good and evil were all the heroes are pure good and all the villains and pure evil, there are no antiheroes or anti-villains, and there are no other types, there’s no chaotic good, no lawful evil, no lawful neutral, no chaotic neutral, and there’s no true neutral, all the heroes fight the villains and never kill, all the villains kill all the time , and it’s just an infinite cycle, the heroes never turn evil, and the villains never turn good, nothing ever changes, what would that be like and who would ever want it?
Anti heroes are kind off the best there is. Portraying someone as merely a full on villain or a full on heroe removes all the complexities of the human experience lol
examples of antiheros Saul Goodman from Better call saul Candyman Leonard Shelby from Memento at this point I would like to argue that even Grifith from Berserk is an anti-hero because of his ultimate goal of making a land where demons and humans can live peacefully together was successful
No, you’re dead wrong there, Griffith is pure evil, during the eclipse, he shed whatever good he may have had by joining the God Hand as Femto by branding and sacrificing the band of the hawk and betraying guts and casca, and they were his most loyal allies and called each other comrades, but them femto raped casca, and forced guts to watch in a pool of his own blood, pinned down with his right eye gouged out, and forced to cut of his left arm, that was a absolutely traumatic experience, and then guts when on a warpath of revenge to kill all apostles and griffith
They seek traditional justice, sometimes it’s vengeance, but they are killing villains that killed innocent civilians, loved ones, or allies and sometimes justice and vengeance overlap each other
Best new anti hero- Kylo Ren. Or is he a Byronic hero? Seductive Wronged Lost Broken Almost always Male Daddy issues Hurting Murderous yet Sympathetic Angsty Misunderstood Obsessive- esp if in love Intellectually superior Lonely Irresistible. Devastatingly good looking (albeit in an unconventional way) with soulful eyes-Unless wearing a mask which is often the case but even the mask draws one in -sounds more like a Byronic hero. Examples of Byronic heroes include: The Vampire Lestat Mordred The Vampire Louis Loki Heathcliffe from Wuthering Heights Bucky Barnes Prince Zuko Raistlin Majere From D&D Bram Stoker’s Dracula The Phantom Feanor, Meadhros, Maglor from the Silmarillion Jaime Lannister and Jon Snow Sawyer from Lost V from V for Vendetta Captain Jack Sparrow Wolverine and Deadpool Lancelot Magneto Erik Draven from The Crow Severus Snape Anakin Skywalker (not Vader) The Punisher Edmund Dantes from the Count of Monte Cristo Queen Elsa - only female on list Dorian Grey The Goblin King from The Labrynth Mr. Rochester from Jane Eyre - women LOVE Byronic heroes. You can thank the Ancient Greeks and Lord Byron for coining the term. Their emotionality sets them apart from anti heroes and this tends to make most hetero males uncomfortable whereas anti heroes don’t- even though males DO admit there’s something about these broken bad boys that draw women in. This group can collectively be called, ‘Bad Boys and the Women who Love Them.’
I think a good traditional hero is somebody like Vash The Srampede. Where his struggle is about having his moral code challenged by other anti heroes. Vash's ideas at odds with Wolfwood for example.
Snape, Oscar The Grouch, Gucko Spike Fertgal, George Constalla, Brian Griffin, The Punisher, Wolverine, Al Bundt, Fonz, Homer Simpson, Shrek, Tony Saprono, Dexter, Walter Walt are all relatable. I always would watch anti hero other than the actual hero
My favorite anti-hero is Wurner von Braun from the Manhattan Projects (the Image Comics one) He's bitter, hate filled, and cares little for others (not just because he's a Nazi) but we do get to, if not sympatize with, understand him. The reason for his demeanor is that he has a deep desire to get him some sweet intergalactic travel while the gettin's hot, go down in history as one of therevolutionary rocket ship engineers, and he'll do anything and screw over anyone who'll deny him that oppurtunity, Later on in the series he gets a *little* development as a character (he becomes a pretty good bro to Yuri Gaggarin. Yes he's also in this.), but even if that were not included, he would still be the model for a good antihero.
heroes were never really more popular than antiheroes. Look at Oedipus, Odysseus, Prometeus, etc. ironically, maybe with the exception of the dark ages...
Superman is definitely darker now, in new 52 and new animated movies he would have maybe killed both Batman and Green lantern then he goes a lot more out on villains, when the DCEU Superman was brought back he attacked the other JL members, sure it was because Cyborg's defense mechanism saw him as a danger, but you did see how he whaled on them all even both WonderWoman and Batman, he could have killed a cop by accident when attacking Cyborg with his heat vision and then even despite Batman saying they need him, superman replied "but we don't need you.....do you bleed?" This is all after they helped each other to fight Doomsday
The irony is Captain America is when you think about it a anti hero himself. He went against SHIELD and Iron Man during the Civil War story line and as a soldier he's willing to kill to get the job done. He just has stronger morals than most anti heroes. He's an anti hero that's willing to do what he has to, to defend his moral views. I've never really looked at him as a traditional hero but as a soldier with basic morals that will raise hell to fight for what he believes. Now speaking as a writer I don't really like labels as corny as that may sound I don't think of my characters as heroes or villains I don't even use the word anti-villain I see the characters I write as just people doing what they feel is normal I mean if you go by traditional standards my main characters that I right are definitely villains.
I really hate the movie Captain United States, at least in the comics he have a legitimate reason to go against Iron Man, but in the movie is only to protect the stupid U. S. exepcionalism.
What about Jonah Hex, the comic equivalent to The man with no name who brought the darkness to the all american western stories? And most important, where's Deadpool's big brother Lobo? He's a helluva antihero!
LOL! Heroes in fiction are not meant to be relatable, anyways. Why? because they're completely fictional. I don't understand why anybody needs to relate towards a fictional character that doesn't exist in real life? When i hear people say that"this character is not relatable" And my response was" yeah, but relatable for whom?", because relatability is a very vague term, though. This character may not be relatable to some people, but definitely relatable towards others. You're not supposed to relate towards a fictional character.......you're supposed to immerse yourself in a world that you wish to be. People are trying to relatability as if it's a objective thing, but in reality, it's not.
The Anti-Hero’s is the greatest figure for both Men & Woman that all feel more realistic and relatable then the so call “Hero”. Like quote “Not all Hero’s who wear white are Good!”
Hero : there is a villain, capture them!
Anti hero : there is a villain, kill them!
Every Anti Hero Ever: It's the only way to stop them.
@@generalgrievous4299 this way antiheroes are far more effective when fighting against villians that are beyond redemption or have close to no morality in order prevent innocent people getting injuries or killed.
Favorite punisher quote ever
You hit em and they get back up I HIT EM AND THEY STAY DOWN
That is no cap, a better way to explain the difference between anti-heroes and heroes lol
One small change but one big difference
Anti-heroes are better since they don't follow the ideology of the "perfect hero"
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Payaso, el Dios De La Destrucción I like antiheros as well. In fact some of my favorite characters are antiheros. However at the same time I think the traditional hero still has a place in the modern world. However even if a charecter is a figure fights for the overall good of humanity it's still important to show them have moments of selfishness and flaws to make feel like good people but people non the less. For example Gandhi probably had moments where he was a total asshole but overall he represented some of the humanities best qualities . not every charcter needs to be tragic hero like a Hamlet Macbeth, or Walter White sometimes it's good just to have a hero. Someone who represents alot of the higest ideals that humanity has to offer. I like charecters who explore some of the darker side of humanity but at the same time it's also important to explore the more postive side of humanity.
i think there is a place for both.
Superheroes of comics are no where near perfect, iron man was an alcoholic for a good while, spider man isn't perfect he does make mistakes, hank pym is like the opposite of perfect.
What I'm trying to say is that they are all heroes that are relatable
If you look at it from a popularity stand point Heroes are actually much more popular then anti-heroes.
anti-heroes are not perfect, which makes them more relatable
Your comment is more relatable than any of the others.
Justin McNeil Even heroes make mistakes.
Any (good) hero has flaws, otherwise it's just bad writing.
The main difference for anti-heroes is that their far less noble attitude.
Which, indeed, is generally more relatable for people, since we're usually bigger assholes than the conventional hero.
Like Trump
I was about to say that but then I was going to say no one's perfect
Anti-heroes have more story and depth to them than traditional heroes. They're not afraid to get their hands dirty and get the job done. They can also be persons who tried to do the right thing BUT always get screwed over, therefore they take the law into their own hands without a care in the world.
If the joker was a punisher villain he would've been in a body bag but killing him wouldn't be such a good marketing move
@@ghostofdeath7388 don’t forget green goblin tho
And Carnage, but I think that Beast Punisher could probably try and take him out once and for all
Anti-Heroes are awesome because no human could ever be perfect enough to be a super-hero.
Superheroes are superhuman people with powers
@@RAYMOND75600 thank you, just they have powers doesn't mean they aren't people, they still have internal conflict and they still make mistakes
You got super heroes and then there is … IRON MAN :) with no physical powers just his genius intellect and he is better then any "perfect hero"
One of the interesting things about Iron Man is his alcoholism issues
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Anti-heroes are better.
a real judge jury executioner , who do what needs to be done while the "perfect hero" save a cat out of the tree, the anti hero will kill the rapist and the worst criminal so the innoncent people can walk safe
Realistic fiction
nope Iron man is the best :)
Same here dude!!!! *giggle*
Gustaf throw an emp grenade and Ironman is dead
We all know that a good character is a flawed one, perfect characters are just boring.
Heroes are not perfect tho, except for Supeman and Captain america I guess.
Iron man and Batman are the real bosses and they are awesome flawed but great heroes.
@@gustaf3811 anti heroes are still better and cooler and more interesting easily
Guts and kratos > everyone you just mentioned
@@Anubis-xk4ht Which Anti-heroes? Batman is not an Anti hero you know and neither is Ironman.
On the contrary Anti heroes are less interesting.
The most interesting one are those on the verge of becoming Anti heroes but never crosses that line.
@@gustaf3811 I meant in overall anti heroes are better than heroes and villains I believe this aspect is what drove people the most to stone cold Steve Austin
@@Anubis-xk4ht By popularity measures Heroes are actually much more popular then anti heroes if you look at statistics.
we love anti heroes because theyre like vigilantes,theyre not cops nor are they heroes. we like them because who wants to be selfless
well thats the problem
dude you may think that anti heroes relatable and certain extent yeah they are.
But the question is how?
Do you kill people who dont like or hurt you or try explaing their problem to them.
Do we like to treat other womens like objects for us men to use or treat them as human being emotions and feeling. Do we accept that yet that people who do mistakes should atleast get one chance of redemption or no chance.
you see anti heroes just like villains represents the dark side of human nature.
but heroes on the other hand represents the best aspects of the humans thats why they are hard to understand not because they are not relatable because they present an ideal we can strive towards. Not perfection but the best of a person.
Tedd cuizon im not one of anti hero
uh...… I believe you regreted saying that when watching Endgame… Tony is the real deal.
@@mirzaarslanbaig2949 the human race as a whole is invasive and 3 of the biggest issues humanity caused is overpopulation pollution and war anti heros are kinda needed more than regular heros the human race is already a parasitic race to begin with why have traditional heros that ignore the actual issues humanity is facing
@Venom Snake okay and?
Captain America is the last traditional do the right thing always superhero in main stream movies that actually works because people are so cynical and want dark and serious shit so much this days that seeing a old fashioned likeable hero is actually refreshing
Kenan Harris don't get me wrong I love iron man but he is pretty much a borderline anti hero he is egotistical and still tho a good guy pretty selfish he does what he thinks is the right thing out of emotions most of the time that makes him a hell of a interesting hero but not the classic do right guy he is pretty much the opposite of captain America thats why there always at odds
Kenan Harris true but cap breaks the rule for the right reasons were as tony is at times completely impulsive take avengers 2 they both had visions of the thing they feared but cap dealt with it moved passed it tony lost his shit and built ultron in civil war cap was there when all the deaths happened but he knows the avengers did everything they could to save everyone because he wouldn't even let them leave if they didn't try tony sees one dead kid and gets emotional and signs the Accords
Kenan Harris I agree iron man is a hero I said he borderline anti but he is not but cap just more of that classic do the right thing no matter what iron man is more of a modern hero
except Hulk all the avengers are classic heroes maybe it's because Marvel is part of Disney?
Ironman is a bitt self centered and practically a Diva but he still counts as a hero.
now answering the two questions watchmojo asked
what do I prefer?
I like both heroes and anti heroes basically my favorite TV Character is an Anti Hero Dr House meanwhile my favorite movie character is more of a classic Hero which is Iron/Tony Stark
I think its important to keep it always fresh to have both as main characters of course in different films or series.
now what do I think will happen
well I think with a very few exceptions Anti heroes have taken over for a long Time.
maybe one day Heroes will rule again but it won't be soon.
Sara Zonana thank you with that remark. For a long time now we have been getting so many anti-heroes it has become boring a nice mix of heroes and anti-heroes would be nice. I feel this oversaturation of anti-heroes is the worst because it is making whatever medium they are in stale and predictable.
In my opinion, Anti-Hero is not villain or hero
they don't follow the rule
I'm no hero.... never was...
never will be...
I'm just an old killer. Hired to do some wet work.
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I honestly like both. That being said, I feel like there has to be a healthy mix between the two. We can't all have heros that play by the rules or 10 deadpools or punishers.
I'm pretty sure execution has more to do with it than content. Captain America has some of the best films in the Marvel universe. If WB made Superman in the way that Marvel made Captain America, he would still have the old fashion ideals, and would still capture a modern audience. But they made him all tortured and struggling with morality because they want to appeal to the Wolverine audience.
Austin's Obsession Productions What is this "wolverine audience"
read comics bro cap is far from a traditional super hero anymore.
Ya, I guess that didn't make too much sense lol. What I meant was the Wolverine movies do well because they do Wolverine justice. But sometimes you get "Wolverine Origins" because it's assumed by production that people just want to see the claws. And I believe that they made the same mistake with Superman, curbing the character to try and reach a specific target audience, rather than just making a Superman movie. Producers may be assuming that people only like Wolverine because, claws are cool, so they think they're following suit by giving Superman "claws." Making him all broody and not at all Superman-like lol.
Austin's Obsession Productions Ikr they nailed Captain America.
Austin's OP what the fuck you mean they do wolverine justice he has only one rated r movie
Anti-Heroes rule.
@@keyaaghaei Yes they are. Don't tell me different.
@@keyaaghaei Yeah so what. I'm not into Superheroes anymore. I'm moving to Anti-heroes now. You got your own opinion and I got mines. Move on.
@@keyaaghaei Batman and Spidey is the only heroes I like. The way the media portrays them is driving me away from the genre. I ain't gonna argue with you anymore. Gonna let it be bygones be bygones.
To everyone who thinks Batman is a “traditional hero” hear me out... Batman is a anti hero in my eyes for the simple fact of him willing to break laws for the betterment of everyone involved. Burglary, theft, assault, and torture are some methods of how Batman handles his crime. So in the eyes of the law he is a criminal but the cops fail to realize that he’s doing it for a greater moral purpose💯
KooLaidKeo actually no cop DARES to touch Batman in the comics but ok
Ok i see what your saying but every hero breaks some laws and codes. Even Captain America broke in to that building in Endgame. Every hero will be a anti hero in that case. Nobody is without flaws.
For me a anti hero does really bad shit and not a theft. Like The Hound in the first seasons of Game of Thrones or Mike from Breaking Bad. They are really badguys that do bad shit but with good hearts.
Batman does everything for justice, to save Gotham or people in it.
I think a anti hero is just a badguy we like. For example do we think Falcone is a anti hero? No. Because we just see him as a mob figure. But we see Tony Soprano as a anti hero because we see more of him. His weaknesses, love for the family etc. But in the end he is a criminal like Falcone or real persons like Gotti, Capone etc.
A anti hero for me is a badguy i love/like. Batman is s good guy who sometimes breaks some laws to get justice, totally different.
yes, but he doesnt kill joker, what? "everyone needs second chance"? joker has lots of chances already, he still kill people, i mean lots of people, he has little to no more morality, i dont see the point of keeping him alive, like joker escape once is enough reason to kill him, yet what does batman do? keep letting him killing the innocent by just capturing him because "he needs second chance" or "we dont kill" or "if i kill him then i will be like him"
@@MrVal05 Exactly. The joker is to dangerous to be left alive.
@@MrVal05 you should know the reason for joker to become such & how badly he suffered in his early life
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Still best anti-hero of all time
This is also the reason why Marvel succeeded in the 70's. To quote itsjustsomerandomguy, "Why aspire to be like Superman when you can relate to Spider-Man?"
Without the classic hero, the antihero looses its appeal. We love them because they break the mold. We don't want them to become the mold.
exactly people always do this with outcsts. there no longer outcasts if you accept them.
Anti-Hero dosen't need Idealistic Classic Heroes
Anti-Heroes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heroes
@@InspirationalElephant-gu2yi Yes they do. That why they're ANTI heroes. If we didn't have classic heroes, the anti hero would just be a vigilante.
@@ShirotoraGodsbane Anti-Heroes fuck Heroes anytime
Anti Hero is heroic core intentions, unlikable or realistic traits, a backstory or circumstances that explains their flaws, brutal methods, and enough moral limits not to be evil. Depending on what type of story, you don't need all of theses things
I feel like Captain America has always been that Knight in shining armor. He always wants to do the right thing and stands his ground. I am enjoying his current run even though it is not exactly the same as his movie counterpart.
Johnson W. Until civil war
There was a fine line between Anti-Hero and a straight up Villain, and i find that some movies are starting to cross over. Instead of a movie centered around an Anti-Hero, it's just a movie that is from the side of a straight up Villain and expects us to root for them because the movies about them. Suicide Squad is the obvious example, they continuously tell us "these people are the bad guys!" and you just don't care about anyone, and by the end, you just root for Will Smith. Not Deadshot, just Will Smith.
But i watch a lot of Garbage on netflix, and a lot of the movies are like "this is a bad guy, doing bad things, he doesn't learn a lesson, he gets no comeuppance, he hardly grows if not at all." And if they try to add some character to the person, the audience is told, and not shown. But hey, that is just me, maybe other people like to watch that sort of thing.
Heroes are defined in literature as having a flaw. Heroes aren't perfect, they have a challenge or conflict that they must overcome.
An anti-hero is littered with flaws. It's where they are redeemed in our eyes that allows them to function in the story.
Looking at the comments below, I can see people missed out on this lesson.
I agree.
Even Captain America broke in to that building in Endgame. Every hero will be a anti hero in that case. Nobody is without flaws.
For me a anti hero does really bad shit.
Like The Hound in the first seasons of Game of Thrones or Mike from Breaking Bad. They are really badguys that do bad shit but with good hearts.
Batman does everything for justice, to save Gotham or people in it.
I think a anti hero is just a badguy we like. For example do we think Falcone is a anti hero? No. Because we just see him as a mob figure. But we see Tony Soprano as a anti hero because we see more of him. His weaknesses, love for the family etc. But in the end he is a criminal like Falcone or real persons like Gotti, Capone etc.
A anti hero for me is a badguy i love/like. Batman is s good guy who sometimes breaks some laws to get justice, totally different.
I feel like Heroes have taken a decline with popular culture because of our preconceived notions of what a hero is. For the most part we believe them to be these big chinned, blond hair muscle bound meat heads that fight for good. But I think what makes a hero great is their unwavering determination to fight for what's right. The problem with making a good hero comes in the villain or the odds they face. The hero always has to be the underdog or at the very least, have his morals constantly tested.
The problem with today's media culture is that so many directors like to make their heroes more relatable and realistic so they go ahead and have them break their morals or turn evil or give up on their crusade. But I think that's a bunch of baloney, when you have a character who, against all odds, doesn't break; you create someone for the people to root for. When you try to make them more relatable by having them break their morals they feel like a letdown, like you've watched them go all this way just to fail. But heroes aren't meant to be relatable, that's why they're heroes.
No one great came out of a situation where they didn't face any sort of strife. Every great hero faces conflict and odds. And it's only when they come out on top, when they saved the day despite what they faced, that they truly become the heroes that we deserve.
Batman is NOT an anti-hero.
he is
Hate You As much as he tries to be a hero, he's more of an anti hero. He's killed plenty of times in the comics as a last resort or out of self defense, he's pessimistic, he's a womanizer, he's paranoid, and he has everlasting hatred towards criminals.
who is he then?
Hate You They never said he was.All they did was show a clip when they mentioned heroes.
"Womanizer"?
In my opinion Anti-Hero are not villain nor hero, they do things in their own will. No rules. They do what they think what is right. They don't follow the ideology of "perfect hero".
I agree.😍💙
All heros take matters into there own hands.
Cotton Hill, Dayle Gribble, Huey Freeman, Major from Ghost In A Shell, Charlie Harper have become so relatable that they are so close to actual human beings. It’s even to the point that some anti hero’s think they need to keep up apperences, or have a certain persona, put on a show or even do what they have to do; this could be what other people expect, other people/characters part of the book, film, anime, video game, comic-book, cartoon expect from them as well. It even go so far of what the anti hero does according to his/her expectations.
Lotta people keep sayin anti-heroes are better because they're relatable, but the truth is heroes will always relate to the audience in some kind of way. I don't think it matters rather they are perfect or not, we will always to connect to the characters we watch on screen.
Hero Traits: Bravery, Mercy, Selflessness, Intellect, and Strength.
My Traits: Bravery, Mercy, Selflessness, and Intellect. As for Mercy, I'll keep you guessing.
Lol read your comment again hero
@@theapexfighter8741 I know what I typed.
If a hero possesses 5/5 of those traits, I possess 4.5/5 of those traits. Mercy being dependent on who my enemies in terms of how evil they are and their purpose of being so.
RiidDisBuk lol I literally thought you and like just forgotten. It would be so much funnier
Lol. You missed narcissism, "hero". What-a-douche.
Why do heroes have to show mercy, the villains never show mercy, so why do some of them deserve to be spared, personally I would have all of those traits, but only about half of mercy
Anti heroes are my favorite type of heroes love this list. Punisher and Deadpool are my favorite on this list.
2:00 that headbutt was so strong he didnt even need to touch him
I think heroes in the classical way can still be relevant, absolutely. However, that needs to be a character trait for them. Wonder Woman for example that I watched recently is a classical hero, who puts herself in front of others when a danger comes, who believes in ideals, and respects others. That is a character trait, but it's also a flaw, as her absolute idealism turns off the possibility for grey areas where anti heroes live in. But that's who she is, and will do things for the greater good. The Punisher on the other hand does what he does in his mind for the greater good, but he doesn't act selflessly, his whole mission came from personal reasons and it makes him feel better when he kills criminals, and that can be seen by the brutality he kills some instead of just killing them fast. That's his character trait. Both these characters are interesting in their own respect, if done well. As long as the character has something to learn and some philosophy, are not absolutely powerful and have flaws and problems they can't go through easily, they will be interesting. I also think that the more we move away from classical heroes, the more they will start becoming interesting again. As much as I prefer anti heroes, Wonder Woman was a bit of a fresh breath, as it was about a genuinely good person who wanted to help people. Simple, but effective, and just made me realize that this has become a rarity lately.
Alexander Angelus I definitely agree with this.
If the tv producers shoehorn Anti Heroes just because it’s the trend one day it will be boring and people will go back to check the traditional hero. I don’t want Anti Heroes to go away and disappear completely but it’s just i think there should be a balance and I agree with you there can be very interesting heroes it’s just about writing them well.
I think IronMan is a great example of it. He is clearly a good guy with really good intentions, does he have some flaws sure. He can act like a diva sometimes but it’s clear his priorities of just having a good time changed once he escaped from that cave where was kidnapped.
Actually Heroes who change their priorities and go through an arc from selfish to selfless are as interesting as Anti Heroes. actually they are some of the best like IronMan and Oscar Schindler from Schindler’s list who was a real life hero.
Mmm that film should have kept the name of the book it was based on which was named Schindler’s arc it was much more suitable.
Though the big difference is IronMan changed because he was almost death meanwhile Schindler in Schindler’s list changed his motives when he saw a young girl die.
But at the end it’s really good to see a story of a hero who makes a big change in his life because of something they experienced .
2:01 he's so strong that he headbutts the air and still inflicts damage
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Anti Heroes are what I like to root for these days. Cause if we live in a world where scums, corruption and vile baddies everywhere and no justice is served, sometimes if you want something done right, you got to do it yourself.
An antihero can improve anytime, but a hero stays the same and ends up getting evil himself.
A character idea I have for a story similar to the plot of "Taken". These are the main characteristics I have:
"Pros": wants to break up a prostitution ring to save his girl, will break it up completely even after he saves her & gets her to safety, has considerable wealth, time, and resources to help rehabilitate those who accept his help, is not interested in physically hurting those who oppose him in excess unless it's necessary, defends those who need defending.
"Cons": hustled/conned people growing up & legally gambled to get his wealth once he was of-age, arrogant, quick-tempered, fights dirty in close combat, burns physical location of the underground ring after he escapes despite antagonists still inside, lectures/berates people that he defends in some manner.
On a scale of 0-100 where 0 is a pure antagonist, 50 is the "ideal" anti-hero, 100 is the "stereotypical" hero, where is my character at? I think the pros are too much for a pure anti hero but I could be wrong. Thoughts? Just part of a fun little project I'm going to do in the future.
2:44, I've never watched deadpool before, so that was a surprise XD
Why
2:02 fakest headbutt i've ever seen in my life XD
Yea they never made contact
Now I kinda wanna see an video on anti-villains.
Lol how do we describe them now
Heroes try to save everyone, including villians from their evil. Anti-heroes may try to save only good ppl or ppl who are very close to them. They either won't care about villians or kill them
Step one: Read the article about anti-heroes on TVTropes.
Step two: Copy it.
Step three: Change it a bit, so it doesn't seem obvious.
Step four: Upload it as it is your own work.
Anyway, anti-heroes have more interesting personality, they have more character development, and usually have a sad backstory. By the way, Daredevil is an anti-hero too.
Deadpool has been all over the morality spectrum that I don't see why people classify him as an antihero. He's often just as villainous as he is heroic.
Hey, Deadpool may have started of as a villain, but he was later portrayed as an antihero, just like venom and they both stopped being villainous, and became more heroic, they don’t hurt or kill innocent people, they help and saves their friends and Allies, and kill all of their villains and enemies, especially the worst of the worst, and Spider-Man began seeing them both as friends, and when Deadpool works as a mercenary, he’s not motivated by money, he cares about saving lives and the world, and he only kills villains and criminals, he won’t kill other heroes, and especially not other heroes or innocent civilians
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Both have returned to being villains every now and again
@@Sjono I could never really picture Deadpool as a villain, but I could venom, because of his deep seeded hatred for spider-man
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You ever hear about Ultimate universe Deadpool? Total villain right there
@@Sjono Yeah, I know about Earth 1610 Deadpool, he’s pure evil, he was a boss and he had level in spider-man shattered dimensions, if you’ve ever played that game, his TV show is called “Pain Factor” you get it because it’s the opposite of Healing Factor because that’s what he has 😂 But 616 Deadpool killed 1610 Deadpool, which makes him a hero in my opinion, so I don’t think we’ll ever be seeing or hearing from him ever again, which makes 616 Deadpool a chaotic good antihero
My favorite AntiHeroes : Deadpool , The Punisher , Harley Quinn , Red-hood , Maleficent , Deathstroke , Stitch and Deadshot .
Michael Brent I like most of the characters on your list. To be honest I never thought of Stitch a Anti Hero, but when I think about it now I can see his actions weren't for the greater good, but his own reason (mostly childish, selfish, and for his own Ohana (family) sake). I love that fictional trouble maker for it.
Anti-hero, or traditional, doesnt really matter if they're interesting, even if either is very predictable.
When I think of anti-hero, I think Shadow the Hedgehog
Dude, there will ALWAYS be room for traditional heroes, regardless of how many newbie anti-heroes show up.
Punisher , deadpool, and wolverine are some of the best characters ever
Anti heroes have taken over
WatchMojo is really doing good with its Trope Videos
Batman is definitely an anti-hero. Due to his lack of super powers he has to result to brutal tactics to put enemies out of a fight, killing instances aside his enemies suffer from broken bones. He maims those who stand against him, and inspires FEAR not hope.
Even modern anti hero’s such as Dexter, Oscar The Grouch, Batman, Harley Quinn, Homer Simpson, Brian Griffin, Walter White from Breaking Bad, Catwoman, Evelyn Harper, Peter Griffin, Serveous Snape, Spike, Dean Winchester, Peter Griffin, Sam Winchester, Gwen Quagmeyer
characteristics i like for the antihero
Brave
Selfless
Strong
Smart
Benevolent
BUT
A MERCILESS ONE
Punisher, wolverine and Rorschach are the ones that pops up as soon as I see the word antihero
The reason I like anti heroes is because they tend to kill and solve the problem. There also more believable, and down to earth.
An anti-hero is someone who is both a hero & a villain. They are right in the middle of the grey line. Anti-heroes, especially ones like Deadpool have no limits & can do whatever they want because they feel like it, they can, & they love it.
Heroes do good.
Anti-heroes can do both good & evil.
Villains do evil.
This is the most broad definition I could possibly find.
Antiheroes do more good than evil, so antiheroes are more heroes than villains, unless they’re chaotic neutral
After watching venom trailer. 😂
I love the grey line between anti-hero and anti-villain. I'm somewhat of that myself.
I like hero and anti-heroes
Me too
There is one very important thing I learned from antiheroes, it’s that sometimes, violence is one of the most efficient ways to get things done
Anti-Heroes are so much more popular that they ironically become more like Heroes to people than traditional Heroes who are seen as lame, old fashion, boy-scouts etc etc.
Great video, agree with all of it. But one thing I think defines an anti-hero that mojo didn't mention; anti-heroes are about good ends through terrible means. Deadpool; I have to save my girlfriend and fix my face, but i'll gleefully kill thousands to do it. Breaking bad; I have to provide for my family, but I'll sell drugs to do it. Dexter; I'm taking control of a terrible mental condition but by using it against people worse than me. Etc, etc, etc. Heroes at the end have good intentions; how they get to those ends is what separates the anti-hero from the hero.
Heroes use good for good
Anti-Heroes use bad for good
Villains use bad for bad
Anti-Villains use good for bad (super rare)
In most media, heroes are portrayed as pure good, they fight for the greater good for themselves and everyone else without caring if they get anything in exchange for they virtues, they care for themselves and others, they save the lives of their friends, families, allies, and innocents at the cost of their own, and they always try to solve problems in the most morally correct way as possible, and because of that, they’re always reluctant to kill an an enemy or villain, and they can only kill villains in acts of self defense or as a last resort to stop them from doing evil forever and they always show remorse for having to take someone’s life, even if they’re pure evil, and that means they can never intentionally take an enemy or villain’s life, and they can’t do it out of rage or be corrupted by their anger or hatred and they can’t exact revenge, since their either going to abandon their quest for vengeance, or it may feel empty to them and not worth it, or even forgive the villain, and all their benevolence, ingenuity, and and innocence may provoke their downfall. the only differences I feel that anti heroes have good intentions are do good deeds for their own personal interests and later on learn to come through for, care for, and help others all at the cost of themselves and for the sake of others, and have a change of heart and be humbled thanks to the hero’s influence on them and even come to each other’s aid and they slowly grow as a person and a hero, and become good people with good hearts and true heroes and be willing to do what ever it takes to ensure their victory, and they use brutal and morally dubious methods due to being a victim of a horrific event, and moment and being exposed to trauma and immense hardships that will want to make them take a darker and bleaker path, and they may be violence, wrathful and unscrupulous, they firmly feel that ruthlessness, brutal methods, and killing is necessary to make a difference and real change. They might also expect things in exchanges for their virtuous actions, especially if their assassins, mercenaries, bounty hunters, hitmen, or treasure hunters, and if they’re much more focused on truth, justice, heroism, and morality, they would take anything they receive in exchange for their heroics as a bonus and use it to help others, like if they got money, they would give it to the poor and buy food, clothes, and a shelter for the homeless or give it to charity and be philanthropic, and they would also be willing to kill to exact revenge on their enemies and villains to Avenge their allies, friends, loved ones, innocents, and even other heroes killed by the villains and for the greater good so they can never hurt or kill anyone else or the hero ever again, and be very brave, compassionate, valiant, and self-sacrificing deep down, and both types of heroes have flaws that they try to overcome and heroism and morality may at first come off as tiresome or tertiary to them, but also believe in peace and saving the world, guided by their pure goals and dreams of justice and firmly believes that evil should be punished some pure goods heroes that are wrathful always try to control their anger and always feel remorse after their explosion of rage and if they want revenge they either won’t do it, see it as wrong, or after doing it immediately regret it and try to atone for it and they always try to be pleasant, selfless, incorruptible, forgiving, not killing, have their actions speak louder than their words, always act naive, and only be lawful, chaotic, or neutral good because of their moral alignment and some of them even make death threats to their enemies and have the potential to kill but they don’t, but they might have to protect themselves or others. Also, are all pure good heroes really always and will be that much better than the antiheroes because they make the harder the decision of not getting angry and wanting revenge and choosing not to kill, but the antiheroes choose to cross the line, which one of them is truly better, and which truly makes the harder decisions that makes them better than the other? And how would media and pop culture be like if the heroes and villains were firmly divided into good and evil were all the heroes are pure good and all the villains and pure evil, there are no antiheroes or anti-villains, and there are no other types, there’s no chaotic good, no lawful evil, no lawful neutral, no chaotic neutral, and there’s no true neutral, all the heroes fight the villains and never kill, all the villains kill all the time , and it’s just an infinite cycle, the heroes never turn evil, and the villains never turn good, nothing ever changes, what would that be like and who would ever want it?
You missed “ The Americans”. One of the best examples of Anti-heroes ever.
True
Anti-Heroes they said? here is and example Deadstroke, Deadpool, Constantine, Deadshot, Magnito, Wolverine... etc
Anti heroes are kind off the best there is. Portraying someone as merely a full on villain or a full on heroe removes all the complexities of the human experience lol
examples of antiheros
Saul Goodman from Better call saul
Candyman
Leonard Shelby from Memento
at this point I would like to argue that even Grifith from Berserk is an anti-hero because of his ultimate goal of making a land where demons and humans can live peacefully together was successful
No, you’re dead wrong there, Griffith is pure evil, during the eclipse, he shed whatever good he may have had by joining the God Hand as Femto by branding and sacrificing the band of the hawk and betraying guts and casca, and they were his most loyal allies and called each other comrades, but them femto raped casca, and forced guts to watch in a pool of his own blood, pinned down with his right eye gouged out, and forced to cut of his left arm, that was a absolutely traumatic experience, and then guts when on a warpath of revenge to kill all apostles and griffith
Hero and Anti Hero has the same logic as Gods and Demigods, They are a hero, but not fully a hero
They don't seek Justice, but they only seek Vengeance
Vengeance isn't very different Justice.
They seek traditional justice, sometimes it’s vengeance, but they are killing villains that killed innocent civilians, loved ones, or allies and sometimes justice and vengeance overlap each other
Best new anti hero- Kylo Ren. Or is he a Byronic hero?
Seductive
Wronged
Lost
Broken
Almost always Male
Daddy issues
Hurting
Murderous yet Sympathetic
Angsty
Misunderstood
Obsessive- esp if in love
Intellectually superior
Lonely
Irresistible.
Devastatingly good looking (albeit in an unconventional way) with soulful eyes-Unless wearing a mask which is often the case but even the mask draws one in
-sounds more like a Byronic hero. Examples of Byronic heroes include:
The Vampire Lestat
Mordred
The Vampire Louis
Loki
Heathcliffe from Wuthering Heights
Bucky Barnes
Prince Zuko
Raistlin Majere From D&D
Bram Stoker’s Dracula
The Phantom
Feanor, Meadhros, Maglor from the Silmarillion
Jaime Lannister and Jon Snow
Sawyer from Lost
V from V for Vendetta
Captain Jack Sparrow
Wolverine and Deadpool
Lancelot
Magneto
Erik Draven from The Crow
Severus Snape
Anakin Skywalker (not Vader)
The Punisher
Edmund Dantes from the Count of Monte Cristo
Queen Elsa - only female on list
Dorian Grey
The Goblin King from The Labrynth
Mr. Rochester from Jane Eyre
- women LOVE Byronic heroes. You can thank the Ancient Greeks and Lord Byron for coining the term. Their emotionality sets them apart from anti heroes and this tends to make most hetero males uncomfortable whereas anti heroes don’t- even though males DO admit there’s something about these broken bad boys that draw women in. This group can collectively be called, ‘Bad Boys and the Women who Love Them.’
The (green) arrow Oliver Queen also
Man, you got some really interesting points
I think a good traditional hero is somebody like Vash The Srampede. Where his struggle is about having his moral code challenged by other anti heroes. Vash's ideas at odds with Wolfwood for example.
spawn needs to make an appearance in a Netflix show
I strongly agree, he’s one of the most iconic and popular anti heroes in comic book history, and we can thank Todd McFarlane for that
Snape, Oscar The Grouch, Gucko Spike Fertgal, George Constalla, Brian Griffin, The Punisher, Wolverine, Al Bundt, Fonz, Homer Simpson, Shrek, Tony Saprono, Dexter, Walter Walt are all relatable. I always would watch anti hero other than the actual hero
the funny thing is that when they talk about the series, dexter is the least bad of them all despite being a psychopath
Vikings series
1. Ranger lothbrok - Anti hero
2. Alfred - hero
My favorite anti-hero is Wurner von Braun from the Manhattan Projects (the Image Comics one) He's bitter, hate filled, and cares little for others (not just because he's a Nazi) but we do get to, if not sympatize with, understand him. The reason for his demeanor is that he has a deep desire to get him some sweet intergalactic travel while the gettin's hot, go down in history as one of therevolutionary rocket ship engineers, and he'll do anything and screw over anyone who'll deny him that oppurtunity, Later on in the series he gets a *little* development as a character (he becomes a pretty good bro to Yuri Gaggarin. Yes he's also in this.), but even if that were not included, he would still be the model for a good antihero.
Anti-heroes are quite different from vigilantes and even *anti-villains* as well
Batman antagonizing joker is like potty 🚽 training a fucking chihuahua outside 🥱🙄
thomas jane = punisher
Jon Bernthal=Punisher
great video, really good theme!
Anti-Villan > Anti-Hero > Villan > Hero *.*
I think anti heroes are more popular than heroes and villains itself. No offense to anyone
James Bond , John Rambo , Jason Bourne , Harry Callahan and Frank Bullitt are Anti-Heroes right ???
Vegeta's fans where r u?
I’m right here
Megamind is the best anti-hero in movie history.
Megamind would make a pretty cool antihero
Anti-Heros:
The Villian who had hated hero and has a agressive behaviour, teams up with hero to fight crime/villains
Example: Loki, Venom
Venom is no longer a villain
Venom is the Lethal Protector, it’s his own fancy way of saying he’s now an antihero
Loved the use of "Your Goddamn Right"
Nowadays,in real life no one is a hero . They only be antiheroes .
heroes were never really more popular than antiheroes. Look at Oedipus, Odysseus, Prometeus, etc.
ironically, maybe with the exception of the dark ages...
Anti-hero is neither hero nor villain
Some of them are already villain protagonists.
Superman is definitely darker now, in new 52 and new animated movies he would have maybe killed both Batman and Green lantern then he goes a lot more out on villains, when the DCEU Superman was brought back he attacked the other JL members, sure it was because Cyborg's defense mechanism saw him as a danger, but you did see how he whaled on them all even both WonderWoman and Batman, he could have killed a cop by accident when attacking Cyborg with his heat vision and then even despite Batman saying they need him, superman replied "but we don't need you.....do you bleed?" This is all after they helped each other to fight Doomsday
You should see new 52 superboy
The irony is Captain America is when you think about it a anti hero himself. He went against SHIELD and Iron Man during the Civil War story line and as a soldier he's willing to kill to get the job done. He just has stronger morals than most anti heroes. He's an anti hero that's willing to do what he has to, to defend his moral views. I've never really looked at him as a traditional hero but as a soldier with basic morals that will raise hell to fight for what he believes.
Now speaking as a writer I don't really like labels as corny as that may sound I don't think of my characters as heroes or villains I don't even use the word anti-villain I see the characters I write as just people doing what they feel is normal I mean if you go by traditional standards my main characters that I right are definitely villains.
I really hate the movie Captain United States, at least in the comics he have a legitimate reason to go against Iron Man, but in the movie is only to protect the stupid U. S. exepcionalism.
What about Jonah Hex, the comic equivalent to The man with no name who brought the darkness to the all american western stories? And most important, where's Deadpool's big brother Lobo? He's a helluva antihero!
very nice topic :) always did like antihheroes
Really enjoying this series! :)
LOL! Heroes in fiction are not meant to be relatable, anyways. Why? because they're completely fictional.
I don't understand why anybody needs to relate towards a fictional character that doesn't exist in real life?
When i hear people say that"this character is not relatable"
And my response was" yeah, but relatable for whom?", because relatability is a very vague term, though.
This character may not be relatable to some people, but definitely relatable towards others.
You're not supposed to relate towards a fictional character.......you're supposed to immerse yourself in a world that you wish to be.
People are trying to relatability as if it's a objective thing, but in reality, it's not.
The Anti-Hero’s is the greatest figure for both Men & Woman that all feel more realistic and relatable then the so call “Hero”. Like quote “Not all Hero’s who wear white are Good!”
Basically sums up Robin/Jason in Under the Red Hood. He doesn't take them in, he does what Batman doesn't and takes them out!
That about sums everything up, he does what Batman won’t, if Batman won’t kill them, then red hood definitely will