@August Mi Going back to the last scene between Gloria and Tony, it seemed she wanted him to kill her for a "romantic" death, the types of endings you hear about in stories and movies. Tony sending Patsy for the last threat was 100% a move to deny Gloria the opportunity to push for a death that she preferred.
@August Mi I agree, it's something that has its roots deeper than language can take us. And I certainly don't blame her, many people are like this, and it's not necessarily bad either
@solo xi sorry to interrupt, she had a Borderline disorder, which I have too, and, sadly, I recognize myself in all scenes with her. BPD is not a fun thing. It’s a deathly burden you carry for the rest of your life that can smash you down when there’s no one for you. Even when you are going through the therapy.
markwest1987 It’s a tissue box dude. A tissue box can’t be made. How stupid are you? Jesus Christ smh. You sound ridiculous. Made? You tubers are so stupid
Tony forgetting that he sent his man to threaten her before she died and then blames Melfi is the finest scene of narcissistic projection in the show. Very well researched by David Chase. Narcissists are untreatable which is why shrinks get rich.
The Rapists or therapists as they’re known just encourage you to continually “talk” about whatever your problem may be. But all this does is keep you in a permanent state of anger, rage or sadness until you finally reach the “tipping” point which is the realisation that you need to let go of whatever the trigger of your rage or anger is. That’s when you are “cured”. For me it’s a profession built on the foundations of air and bullshit. The only winner being the rapist who’s milking you of money every week.
Narcissists(and any other ASPD) never think something is wrong with them so they rarely go to psychiatrist and it's usually from alcoholism or drug use, or some other issue.. Tony started to visit Melfi because he was having panic attacks. The patients in mental health clinics are usually the victims of ASPD people.
“Why are you so quick to blame yourself?” “Sometimes there’s no one cause.” This is a perfect example of why the therapy never worked for him. Her advice was always in response to a false situation he had conned her into believing and therefore was of no use.
The Therapy "worked", just not in any good ways. He stopped having his panic attacks with regularity and he used Melfi's knowledge and wisdom to further control the mob. The opposite of what he should have been trying to get out of it
Gloria had a long history of chaotic relationships and attempted suicide. It wasn’t Tony’s fault. He just happened to be there next in line. He attracted her like a moth to a flame. If not tony then some other man to abandon her. Tony had his own issues, no doubt, but Gloria’s issues were present long before tony showed up.
The way she says "please sit down, you're scaring me" Is very professional and she is cool as a cucumber and standing up for herself in front of Tony's very physical threats
@Heather Anderson Im glad they did the scene even against these difficulties. I liked Melfi most of the time. I hated how they ended their relationship
@Heather Anderson I meant the end of Tony and Melfi. Melfi heard of a study about criminals and their inability to be helped in sessions and her whole world flipped so she (totally unprofessionally) just kicked Tony out without conversing a single word about why she is ending it. I hated how they suddenly ended the relationship based on a flimsy study that is questioned a lot for validity in real life. But also I considered Melfi one of the few positive characters in the series ever since she stood against her own thirst for revenge and not let Tony loose on her attacker. I read that a lot of people consider Melfi simply incompetent in which case its a fitting ending considering the ending is basically the meltdown of every single character. But I never thought about their sessions like that. I felt they were some of the best parts of the early seasons. To be fair I had some problems with the last few seasons even without Melfi. Gloria was insanely hot and I wish she stayed in the series a bit longer but I liked her arc so I dont mind the end. Especially since we got a great pun out of it from Tony xd
"Why the fuck didn't you help her?!" - Tony conveniently forgets to mention having one of his goons threaten Gloria at gunpoint out in the middle of nowhere.... because that sure helped.
That's precisely why he snapped at her in that way, I'd say. He knew how culpable he was and how much of it was his fault, or at least, he was what tipped Gloria over the edge, and so he had to justify what he did the best way an emotionally damaged drunk mafioso could. That's what he snapped back with in the end.
Ninja Channel Good call, but then he loses that terrifying anger on a dime after she confesses the devastation- Tony was infuriated by Melfi's calm but then recognized she was telling the truth. Consumate acting all around.
James Gandolfini could fucking act. You don't really pick up on the fact that he was drunk at the beginning because his rage is sobering him up. But after the rage burns off, and he picks up the tissue box, you can see him a little uncoordinated and deliberate, like a drunk person would be. And then the rest of the conversation, you can hear him slurring and emotional, just like a drunk person. Amazing acting.
TA A Yeah, she sounds like an eighth grader reading the next chapter of her literature lesson in class, over-enunciating and with that unnatural even beat like she’s speaking mechanically along with a metronome.
@@antwto8784 I doubt it , Melfi was a lot of the times scared whenever Tony was getting into this side. Granted, she was way calmer than in the early seasons when a similar outrage happened so she probably trusted Tony enough to not harm her at this point.
+Caligula19 I bet you haven't even seen the show or saw it and thought it was boring, and it's CLEAR you don't know shit about acting; the only question then is: Why are you saying Gandolfini's acting was great (and it was)? Because you're just a worthless sheeple and a poser, you see everyone praises Gandolfini and his acting and you do it too simply to do the same as everyone else; in fact, this was a short and average scene, you pathetic sheep.
It's so wild how she is so outgoing and the life of the party. Yet she played the calm, in tune psychiatrist to near perfection. Her and Jim had monumental scenes.
To be honest I did feel sympathy for Gloria. Yes she wasn't right in the head which caused her to develop unhealthy obsessions with men. But it must have been awful for her to be in those situations when all she wanted was a normal relationship.
Gloria, while speaking to Melfi about 'things being great' is lip service. Melfi knows better, even challenges her about canceling her appt., she confronts Gloria, who lies, once again, and even becomes angry when confronted with her lie. Not one drop of insight. Does not want it. Change and saying goodbye to bad choices one makes can be painful. Usually it is the worst pain to deal with and more commonly caused by family. Her first intro, sitting and working on a sale, with her appointment book, talking and selling a car, business as usual. I don't know about anyone else, but when I am waiting for my therapist, I am thinking on the good and bad. Any issue that may cause harm long term, or, how great I am doing. Deal with life. I turn my phone off, I make this my time, about me. The greatest therapists cannot make a person change their lifestyle. Gloria wears the dysfunction better, nicer box, ribbon and bow presentation. When opened, it still is just an empty box.
I think it's one of the sad cases of people who have the judgement to know what is wrong but they don't have the tools to change. A lot like Tony. Difference is Tony hurts other people when Gloria really only hurt herself. I also think Melfi could've done more actually; there are limits to confidentiality. If you think a patient is in danger there are some things you can do and she probably could've asked Tony not to date her...although he wouldn't have listened!
That’s the beautiful thing about shows like The Sopranos or The Wire. They have so many layers you have to watch the shows multiple times to truly appreciate them.
aroundtheworlda that have some merit but I am sure she had her psychotic episodes before but she never killed herself, but running into Tony who by nature is a very toxic person and he was it.
pixietink1985 I'm not saying that at all. I didn't say I don't believe a fictional character who has been raped wouldn't be "distracted" It was just a theory that she messed things up by double booking Gloria and Tony, thereby unconsciously staging her borderline doppelganger, Gloria, to aid her in finding out just how dangerous a liaison with Tony could end up being. Melfi pulled off doing all of this from the safe distance of her consulting room. Maybe this last unfortunate enactment was what it took to help her to snap out of it, maybe this was what was required to make her change as well as to help Tony change by seeing the face of his mother Livia in that of tormented Gloria.
For a while maybe but it would've been the next relationship or the one after that which led her to that. Tony was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Dr. Melfi is one hell of a woman. Starring down a man like Tony while staying true to her Ethics is more than Janice ever did her entire god dayum life.
the scenes where tony is yelling in melfi's face and being really intimidating shows how different she is from carmela. during those moments carmela brings it back to tony with the same intensity that he has, but melfi isn't used to that so she's scared
Nicolas Bajwa because she's human. She's both a mental health professional and a woman. Women tend to stay around people we think we can rescue for far too long. It's her nature, that's partly why she chose that profession.
@@msmilano7091 It would be more her being a mental health professional and understanding the reactive nature of some patients, not because shes a woman and wanting to nurture (Ive worked in healthcare and mental health). There are male therapists, nurses and doctors but we dont say their caring nature is because theyre a man. Think youre projecting there ;)
WeAreAllNeo No ones projecting. Women tend to have the “I can change them” fantasy about men. It’s just a fact. Just accept that men and women have different natures.
This is such an awesome scene to me. When Tony accuses Melfi of not doing enough to help Gloria, and when she hears it she looks him right in the eyes to give him her answer. She rebuffs his insults with her professionalism: it, and her morality, are her power in answer to Tony's, and he is the one who backs down, not her.
Agreed - I really felt it from her when she said 'i give my patients everything I've got, and when something like this happens im devastated'. I believe it! Im sure that is the case for therapists and mental health professionals everywhere! And that was just ONE of her clients, not to mention anything to do with Big T.
@@patrick4662 I am sure that any competent, human, therapist/psychiatrist/psychologist would feel that way at losing a patient, and that those are also the one's who would actually give them everything. I think it's also interesting to note that Tony attacks Melfi for being an incompetent, overcharging patients for providng bad service: the VERY THING that Tony himself does. Sucks up companies and bleeds them dry, intentionally hires goons and thugs instead of competent people to run a stock business pump and dump scam. Tony accuses Melfi of essentially bilking her patients for substandard care: something Tony himself does and something he would NEVER settle for. If he found out a doctor was scamming fake MRI scans on him, for example, he'd beat that guy down and then take a piece. But Melfi is the shining professional and moral buoy, amidst a sea of terrible, exploitative, manipulative, evil, characters, and it is those very morals and professional ethics she carries that elevate her, keep her floating, but more importantly: make her one of the few characters on the show who can ACTUALLY STAND UP TO TONY. In fact, by the end of the series, she is the only person to have truly rejected him, and banished him from her world, not the other way around. Tony is used to having all of the power in every relationship he has had, but with Melfi, she holds the power, not he. She may have feared him at one point, but she is the incorruptible (every time she is presented with the corrupt option , she makes the moral choice). Sorry a bit long: I love writing mini Sopranos essays on youtube! Weird fact about me, but I've written several (including one that had references and sources and that I spent quite a long time on. This is a weird joy of mine: writing *LONG* Sopranos responses and discussions on the show. Weird of me, but what can I say, I'm a fast typist and they don't take me too long. Also helps that I live in New York not far from the NJ-NY border. I even knew an actor from the show (I used to work with the actor who played Jason Gervasi). Greatest show ever made, and I love talking about it.
@@mcnamaraky its an amazing show, and I've only seen it a couple times all the way through. They def hammer home the blatant hypocrisy of the mobster characters consistently - in some cases its really funny. For such tough guys they're also masters of righteous (in their eyes) indignation lol.
Look at what Tony wears whenever he goes into Dr. Melfi's office. Leather jacket: Straight gangster Tony. Violent and dangerous Suit: Good mood Tony. Joking with Dr. Melfi and open about sharing his feelings Regular clothes: Typically a more vulnerable Tony. Crying and unintentionally opening up about deep seeded issues from his past.
“Why are you so quick to blame yourself?” “I’m sure when she started showing signs of obsession and dangerously bipolar behavior, you went and called the authorities right? Maybe got a TRO against her? It’s not like you sent a goon to put a gun to her face and threaten her right? It’s not like she was frightened to even leave her house because your family or friends might be in the next car at Starbucks and she might end up being dragged into the butcher shop right?”
He's got some nerve getting in her face like that. If anyone pushed Gloria over the edge it was Tony. Hell, Melfi actually warned him to stay away from her.
Let the dead bury their dead. I am about my father's business. Sometimes when your help isn't reaching and the person insists on staying lost, it's best to walk away.
Here is Melfi doing what David Chase seemed to most often accuse therapists of doing: letting Tony off the hook morally by psychologizing his response to Gloria's suicide. Tony tried to take responsibility, as he should have to some extent, and Melfi relativized and abstracted the whole situation by making it about his self-importance. He was trying to do the right thing for a change, and she clipped his wings.
The thing is tony pursued her and she was showing him major red flags. Gloria took major liberties to the point where tony had to hire an enforcer to make sure she stayed away. I will say tony looked liked a douche trying to visit her job after their big fallout. He expected a welcome with open arms. It's crazy and just shows how much of a narcissist tony is. He'll threaten your life one day and expect forgiveness the next day.
I can't agree that saving Gloria was Tony's responsibility. She was right to try and show him his narcissism, although she didn't know that one of Tony's goons threatened to shoot Gloria of course.
There’s two types of therapists and I’ve seen both. The first will mercilessly force you to confront your emotional problems no matter how hard you resist them. The second will constantly baby you into not feeling any guilt or shame. I spent two years with the second type and just four months with the first type. Therapists who don’t care about milking your wallet or upsetting you are some of the kindest, smartest and honest people you’ll ever meet.
The issue is that Melfi can only work with what her patients give to her. Tony is a cunning liar, being very specific on what he reveals, thus preventing self-knowledge, and even worse, leading the therapist into what he hopes to hear.
The only reason he pretended to be guilty about Gloria's suicide was because he wanted Melfi to tell him exactly that "Why are you so quick to blame yourself".
When I first saw two of those clips of Tony getting into Melfi's face physically, it kind of made me think that Tony is also seeing a therapist for anger management problems. I am probably right about Tony seeing a therapist not only for his panic attacks but he does have anger management problems so I think it's good that he's constantly going to therapy. I do realize that Tony is under a lot of stress throughout the series and I think he needs frequent therapy. I saw everyone in The Soprano household going to see a therapist such as Meadow, Tony, Carmela and AJ. All four of those Sopranos saw a therapist and it is totally something!
"Why do you blame yourself?" perfect question....makes him look at how he treat Gloria, but he dont wanna look at his own actions and their consequences.
This is one of the best scenes, my hat to who posted this. One of the things I love about this show is the incredible irony. Remember in the beginning of the second season and Dr Melfi complains about one of her clients committing suicide, Tony is like, who gives a shit! I love the Sopranos! Now it's different of course. I bet there are some scenes between Dr Melfi and Tony that never made it. I bought the box sex for some great deleted scenes but was hugely disappointed. Does anybody have any?
I really don't think it was Tony's fault at all. What was he supposed to do? Sticking around would have just dragged them both further down into the muck. Gloria was a time bomb, it was just a matter of time before it happened. The "if you leave I'll kill myself" shit is abuse and manipulation. There's nothing you can do but cut your losses and hope they find peace.
its not that tony was wrong for breaking up with gloria, but literally nobody but a mob boss with an incredibly broken moral compass would've had someone go to her place of work and threaten to kill her. its especially heinous bc tony knows gloria's therapist! it would've taken one call to dr melfi to get her real help. tony has so thoroughly internalized the logic of the mafia, and compartmentalized his relationship to mental health treatment (and legal/ethical methods at large) to the point that even when the latter is the easiest and most obvious solution to a problem, he will seek out the former. thats what puts him beyond the pale, and that's what makes him outside of the scope of someone like dr melfi. dr melfi could've some real good for gloria trillo if they'd had more time together, its obvious that she cared deeply for her. but tony was a lost cause from the jump
@@tocandycane19she got what she deserved, play stupid games win stupid prizes. She literally threatened a mob boss and said she’d tell his wife and kids about them. Big mistake. She was crazy, almost every scene of her and tony involved her getting mad at him irrationally.
"Is she still... hangin' around?"
Never caught that until now.
Same lmao
How did you not catch it? Lmao
@@vj9988 bc it's a common phrase to ask about someone condition. so sometimes u catch it
@@vj9988 English not being my first language, can you please tell me what the context implies here?
@@navjotsandhu3892 Gloria committed suicide by hanging.
Sometimes people refer to being together as "hanging out". Tony makes a play on words here.
Tony blaming Dr. Melfi when it was his fucking fault lmao
"WHY THE FFUCK DIDN'T YOU HELP HER?"
melfi should have said "I could ask you the same thing"
@August Mi Going back to the last scene between Gloria and Tony, it seemed she wanted him to kill her for a "romantic" death, the types of endings you hear about in stories and movies. Tony sending Patsy for the last threat was 100% a move to deny Gloria the opportunity to push for a death that she preferred.
@August Mi I agree, it's something that has its roots deeper than language can take us. And I certainly don't blame her, many people are like this, and it's not necessarily bad either
@solo xi sorry to interrupt, she had a Borderline disorder, which I have too, and, sadly, I recognize myself in all scenes with her. BPD is not a fun thing. It’s a deathly burden you carry for the rest of your life that can smash you down when there’s no one for you. Even when you are going through the therapy.
Yes but then he blamed himself straight after that.
Tony was a made guy and the tissue box wasn't. And there was nothing we could do about it...
it was a revenge for gloria and alot of other things
markwest1987 and it was nothing we could do about it.
It was amongst the Italians.
markwest1987 It’s a tissue box dude. A tissue box can’t be made. How stupid are you? Jesus Christ smh. You sound ridiculous. Made? You tubers are so stupid
LMFAO
Tony forgetting that he sent his man to threaten her before she died and then blames Melfi is the finest scene of narcissistic projection in the show. Very well researched by David Chase. Narcissists are untreatable which is why shrinks get rich.
That last sentence is 💯
"Why are you so quick to blame yourself"
It wasn’t cinematec
The Rapists or therapists as they’re known just encourage you to continually “talk” about whatever your problem may be. But all this does is keep you in a permanent state of anger, rage or sadness until you finally reach the “tipping” point which is the realisation that you need to let go of whatever the trigger of your rage or anger is. That’s when you are “cured”.
For me it’s a profession built on the foundations of air and bullshit.
The only winner being the rapist who’s milking you of money every week.
Narcissists(and any other ASPD) never think something is wrong with them so they rarely go to psychiatrist and it's usually from alcoholism or drug use, or some other issue.. Tony started to visit Melfi because he was having panic attacks.
The patients in mental health clinics are usually the victims of ASPD people.
“Why are you so quick to blame yourself?” “Sometimes there’s no one cause.” This is a perfect example of why the therapy never worked for him. Her advice was always in response to a false situation he had conned her into believing and therefore was of no use.
The Therapy "worked", just not in any good ways. He stopped having his panic attacks with regularity and he used Melfi's knowledge and wisdom to further control the mob. The opposite of what he should have been trying to get out of it
Except she was her patient, so I'm sure she knew.
Gloria had a long history of chaotic relationships and attempted suicide. It wasn’t Tony’s fault. He just happened to be there next in line. He attracted her like a moth to a flame.
If not tony then some other man to abandon her.
Tony had his own issues, no doubt, but Gloria’s issues were present long before tony showed up.
@@user-kv4eb8pr3w That's what Melfi was trying to tell him
He contributed to it..
The way she says "please sit down, you're scaring me" Is very professional and she is cool as a cucumber and standing up for herself in front of Tony's very physical threats
Couldn't have been easy for her though, especially since this happened after her rape.
"Why are you so quick to blame yourself?" "Ummm, cos i dumped her, beat her, choked her, had my friend threaten to kill her..."
to be fair she hit him with a -ham- roast beef.
@Heather Anderson Im glad they did the scene even against these difficulties. I liked Melfi most of the time. I hated how they ended their relationship
@Heather Anderson I meant the end of Tony and Melfi. Melfi heard of a study about criminals and their inability to be helped in sessions and her whole world flipped so she (totally unprofessionally) just kicked Tony out without conversing a single word about why she is ending it. I hated how they suddenly ended the relationship based on a flimsy study that is questioned a lot for validity in real life. But also I considered Melfi one of the few positive characters in the series ever since she stood against her own thirst for revenge and not let Tony loose on her attacker. I read that a lot of people consider Melfi simply incompetent in which case its a fitting ending considering the ending is basically the meltdown of every single character. But I never thought about their sessions like that. I felt they were some of the best parts of the early seasons. To be fair I had some problems with the last few seasons even without Melfi.
Gloria was insanely hot and I wish she stayed in the series a bit longer but I liked her arc so I dont mind the end. Especially since we got a great pun out of it from Tony xd
Steve Buscemi threw the beef at Gandolfini.
@@nemdenemam9753 the writers ran out of ideas.
"Why the fuck didn't you help her?!" - Tony conveniently forgets to mention having one of his goons threaten Gloria at gunpoint out in the middle of nowhere.... because that sure helped.
Yes Tony is very selfish forgetting his own responsibility. However James Gandolfini and Lorraine Bracco killed this scene
That's precisely why he snapped at her in that way, I'd say. He knew how culpable he was and how much of it was his fault, or at least, he was what tipped Gloria over the edge, and so he had to justify what he did the best way an emotionally damaged drunk mafioso could. That's what he snapped back with in the end.
I think he was projecting
Projection.
She was weak
He goes from completely calm to raging in 0.01 seconds.
IronManXXX haha
Ninja Channel Good call, but then he loses that terrifying anger on a dime after she confesses the devastation- Tony was infuriated by Melfi's calm but then recognized she was telling the truth. Consumate acting all around.
The Tony ripple effect
Kind of like the ralph situation with the horse.
Ninja Channel he was raging mad when he went in there. Just repressed it as long as he could.
James Gandolfini could fucking act. You don't really pick up on the fact that he was drunk at the beginning because his rage is sobering him up. But after the rage burns off, and he picks up the tissue box, you can see him a little uncoordinated and deliberate, like a drunk person would be. And then the rest of the conversation, you can hear him slurring and emotional, just like a drunk person. Amazing acting.
You said it. Brilliant acting
Insane talent that man had
Bracco and Gandofini’s chemistry is what made this show as special as it was
I always looked forward to seeing their interaction between one another.
THIS is how a professional acts.
Very similar to James Dean's acting
Damn, I love how dignified Dr. Melfi is.
shes a woman, she knows hes not going to raise his hand to her
She was a sexy and sweet woman. She was one of my favorite characters.
@John Lorton BOLD TEXT
TA A
Yeah, she sounds like an eighth grader reading the next chapter of her literature lesson in class, over-enunciating and with that unnatural even beat like she’s speaking mechanically along with a metronome.
@@antwto8784 I doubt it , Melfi was a lot of the times scared whenever Tony was getting into this side. Granted, she was way calmer than in the early seasons when a similar outrage happened so she probably trusted Tony enough to not harm her at this point.
Jesus, Gandofini was really, really good..
+Caligula19 I bet you haven't even seen the show or saw it and thought it was boring, and it's CLEAR you don't know shit about acting; the only question then is: Why are you saying Gandolfini's acting was great (and it was)? Because you're just a worthless sheeple and a poser, you see everyone praises Gandolfini and his acting and you do it too simply to do the same as everyone else; in fact, this was a short and average scene, you pathetic sheep.
He was awesome
@@charlesferdinand422 Calm your menstrual cycle . It's a fucking complement and its not pointed towards you so fuck off.
@@charlesferdinand422 Get the fuck out of here, judge Roy Bean!
Gandolfini was good. In this series. But outside of the Sopranos, he remained a one-role actor.
That tissue holder took a lot of beatings in this show.
It ran to the FBI and agreed to wear a wire after this
hahaha
Almost as many as Georgie the bartender.
UnoriginallyInclined I heard that Phil Leotardo used those tissues to compromise in jail.
Emanresuadeen When he threw the ice on him 😂
Melfi is one patient woman. Also, James' acting is incredible.
It's so wild how she is so outgoing and the life of the party. Yet she played the calm, in tune psychiatrist to near perfection. Her and Jim had monumental scenes.
To be honest I did feel sympathy for Gloria. Yes she wasn't right in the head which caused her to develop unhealthy obsessions with men. But it must have been awful for her to be in those situations when all she wanted was a normal relationship.
Gloria, while speaking to Melfi about 'things being great' is lip service. Melfi knows better, even challenges her about canceling her appt., she confronts Gloria, who lies, once again, and even becomes angry when confronted with her lie. Not one drop of insight. Does not want it. Change and saying goodbye to bad choices one makes can be painful. Usually it is the worst pain to deal with and more commonly caused by family. Her first intro, sitting and working on a sale, with her appointment book, talking and selling a car, business as usual. I don't know about anyone else, but when I am waiting for my therapist, I am thinking on the good and bad. Any issue that may cause harm long term, or, how great I am doing. Deal with life. I turn my phone off, I make this my time, about me. The greatest therapists cannot make a person change their lifestyle. Gloria wears the dysfunction better, nicer box, ribbon and bow presentation. When opened, it still is just an empty box.
@@lisa-el3db Sad to think about
I think it's one of the sad cases of people who have the judgement to know what is wrong but they don't have the tools to change. A lot like Tony. Difference is Tony hurts other people when Gloria really only hurt herself. I also think Melfi could've done more actually; there are limits to confidentiality. If you think a patient is in danger there are some things you can do and she probably could've asked Tony not to date her...although he wouldn't have listened!
It's called borderline personality disorder
@@fmorley368 possibly historonic personality as well
lol, she still hanging around? no pun intended!
Lol I just realized that shit omg
wat an ass hole Tony is
Gagan Rehill Whatever happened there...
OH!!!
Gagan Rehill ohhh damn that's brutal, wonder if that word choice was on purpose
ive seen this clip 100x and i just got the "hanging around" reference.
I got it 1st time but sometimes it's dangling in front of us & we don't see it
Is Az real ropey sense of humour you got there
@@isaz597 fucking charles schwaub
Sharp as a fuckin’ cue ball
That’s the beautiful thing about shows like The Sopranos or The Wire. They have so many layers you have to watch the shows multiple times to truly appreciate them.
It's funny when Dr. Melfi asks Tony, "Your thoughts have a sort of Eastern flavour to them", and Tony says, "Well, I lived in Jersey my whole life".
😆
That tissue holder had a family
Ryan B. But it wasn't made.
MrSinthan It was my favourite character in the show though. It knew how to take a beating
It was a couple of black guys. I saw them go that way...
Family? they're a glorified in
He lived with his mother
"there is no one cause" somehow I think she would still be alive if she wouldn't have met Tony.
I blame Dr Melfi's "double booking"
aroundtheworlda that have some merit but I am sure she had her psychotic episodes before but she never killed herself, but running into Tony who by nature is a very toxic person and he was it.
pixietink1985
I'm not saying that at all.
I didn't say I don't believe a fictional character who has been raped wouldn't be "distracted"
It was just a theory that she messed things up by double booking Gloria and Tony, thereby unconsciously staging her borderline doppelganger, Gloria, to aid her in finding out just how dangerous a liaison with Tony could end up being.
Melfi pulled off doing all of this from the safe distance of her consulting room.
Maybe this last unfortunate enactment was what it took to help her to snap out of it, maybe this was what was required to make her change as well as to help Tony change by seeing the face of his mother Livia in that of tormented Gloria.
Ash 928 to be honest that's an interesting read into David Chase's work.
For a while maybe but it would've been the next relationship or the one after that which led her to that. Tony was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Dr. Melfi is one hell of a woman. Starring down a man like Tony while staying true to her Ethics is more than Janice ever did her entire god dayum life.
That tissue holder was my favorite character of the series
Wish they'd done more with the character.
Heard there was a planned spin off, but David Chase said, "Snot gonna happen"
Quinn Rollen That's baaaad dude. Lmao
Edward Rivera Tissue holder got wacked multiple times.
Quinn Rollen; Fucking dead!#!
the scenes where tony is yelling in melfi's face and being really intimidating shows how different she is from carmela. during those moments carmela brings it back to tony with the same intensity that he has, but melfi isn't used to that so she's scared
feeltheillinois She can't get personal with Tony, she's his therapist.
@@msmilano7091 she was a shitty therapist. After the very first outburst why did she continue to see him
Nicolas Bajwa because she's human. She's both a mental health professional and a woman. Women tend to stay around people we think we can rescue for far too long.
It's her nature, that's partly why she chose that profession.
@@msmilano7091 It would be more her being a mental health professional and understanding the reactive nature of some patients, not because shes a woman and wanting to nurture (Ive worked in healthcare and mental health). There are male therapists, nurses and doctors but we dont say their caring nature is because theyre a man. Think youre projecting there ;)
WeAreAllNeo No ones projecting. Women tend to have the “I can change them” fantasy about men. It’s just a fact. Just accept that men and women have different natures.
Gandolfini's acting was so good you would barely realize it's a tv show
He's a narcissist, his character thinks everything is always about him.
In this case he wasnt wrong though, he was the final straw for her...
More Anti-Social PD....Not a narcissistic......Huge difference.
This show was one of the greatest of all time, and James and company were remarkable.
They never even showed her death, yet it has such an impact on the show
his dream about her is fuckin haunting
This is such an awesome scene to me. When Tony accuses Melfi of not doing enough to help Gloria, and when she hears it she looks him right in the eyes to give him her answer. She rebuffs his insults with her professionalism: it, and her morality, are her power in answer to Tony's, and he is the one who backs down, not her.
Agreed - I really felt it from her when she said 'i give my patients everything I've got, and when something like this happens im devastated'.
I believe it! Im sure that is the case for therapists and mental health professionals everywhere! And that was just ONE of her clients, not to mention anything to do with Big T.
@@patrick4662 I am sure that any competent, human, therapist/psychiatrist/psychologist would feel that way at losing a patient, and that those are also the one's who would actually give them everything.
I think it's also interesting to note that Tony attacks Melfi for being an incompetent, overcharging patients for providng bad service: the VERY THING that Tony himself does. Sucks up companies and bleeds them dry, intentionally hires goons and thugs instead of competent people to run a stock business pump and dump scam. Tony accuses Melfi of essentially bilking her patients for substandard care: something Tony himself does and something he would NEVER settle for. If he found out a doctor was scamming fake MRI scans on him, for example, he'd beat that guy down and then take a piece.
But Melfi is the shining professional and moral buoy, amidst a sea of terrible, exploitative, manipulative, evil, characters, and it is those very morals and professional ethics she carries that elevate her, keep her floating, but more importantly: make her one of the few characters on the show who can ACTUALLY STAND UP TO TONY. In fact, by the end of the series, she is the only person to have truly rejected him, and banished him from her world, not the other way around. Tony is used to having all of the power in every relationship he has had, but with Melfi, she holds the power, not he. She may have feared him at one point, but she is the incorruptible (every time she is presented with the corrupt option , she makes the moral choice).
Sorry a bit long: I love writing mini Sopranos essays on youtube! Weird fact about me, but I've written several (including one that had references and sources and that I spent quite a long time on. This is a weird joy of mine: writing *LONG* Sopranos responses and discussions on the show. Weird of me, but what can I say, I'm a fast typist and they don't take me too long.
Also helps that I live in New York not far from the NJ-NY border. I even knew an actor from the show (I used to work with the actor who played Jason Gervasi). Greatest show ever made, and I love talking about it.
@@mcnamaraky its an amazing show, and I've only seen it a couple times all the way through. They def hammer home the blatant hypocrisy of the mobster characters consistently - in some cases its really funny. For such tough guys they're also masters of righteous (in their eyes) indignation lol.
@@mcnamarakydont ever apologize for your passion again my friend. I appreciate you and your writing.
This is an intensely powerful scene. I think it’s grossly overlooked.
The writing, the acting is 100%
This scene made me shake and cry it’s so convincing as someone with a history of mental illness and suicides in my life
Maybe choose your content more appropriately if a clip from a fake TV show makes you shake and cry.
@@ryanstrauser383 Mr empathy over here
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@@ryanstrauser383 there he goes Mr Type A personality!
@@ryanstrauser383 maybe try not being a prick
Melfi saw this train wreck coming from miles away.
The legs tho. Spectacular set
DR MELFI SO CLASS...VERY BEAUTIFUL....ELEGANCE OF WOMAN
Her death is sad because I've known several men, and women, who felt lost, and felt internal pain, like she did.
It's sad when they go young like that
even as a murderer and sociopath, tony is likeable throughout the show. but not in this scene. he was a real piece of shit here.
To be fair, he was drunk and upset. He did feel bad.
He was ok to me.
The sick sarcasm to just livid rage... just simply brilliant acting
The way she says "sometimes you can't" was so powerful. 0:50
This was a phenomenal scene. One of the best on the show
"I gotta admit, it kinda excited me." Henry Hill's wife in Goodfellas.
"It turned me on."
nice legs
Yes. Tony must be working out.
Nezo Pezo Indeed
Emanresuadeen LMAO
you got that from dumb and dumber
Onwards and upwards, two seconds later, I'm devastated.
The rage when he says
*"U let me fuckin sit there!!!"*
Tissue holder got whacked. Literally
guns854 Tony was a made guy and it wasn't.
And there was nothing we could do about it.
He suffered a severe blow to the head
😂😂😂😂
Everybody Honky Dory, I love the little dance he does, and with the shoulders! Genius of Gandolfini
"Business OK? Everybody honky-dory? *sit-down dancing*"
- Tony Soprano
Look at what Tony wears whenever he goes into Dr. Melfi's office.
Leather jacket: Straight gangster Tony. Violent and dangerous
Suit: Good mood Tony. Joking with Dr. Melfi and open about sharing his feelings
Regular clothes: Typically a more vulnerable Tony. Crying and unintentionally opening up about deep seeded issues from his past.
That's a great observation
Tony's hypocricy shines here again because Pasty's gun is what caused Gloria to kill herself.
Was that Phil’s tissue box when he was in the can for 20 years?
He kept it near the radiaaaatttoorr.
Underrated.
@@alanzom1503 overused actually
What an actor! From being gregarious to rage to commiseration in 2 minutes 36 seconds. All emotions played totally believable. Wow!!
Gandolfini doing a great job here !
As always
“Why are you so quick to blame yourself?”
“I’m sure when she started showing signs of obsession and dangerously bipolar behavior, you went and called the authorities right? Maybe got a TRO against her? It’s not like you sent a goon to put a gun to her face and threaten her right? It’s not like she was frightened to even leave her house because your family or friends might be in the next car at Starbucks and she might end up being dragged into the butcher shop right?”
He's got some nerve getting in her face like that. If anyone pushed Gloria over the edge it was Tony. Hell, Melfi actually warned him to stay away from her.
Everything aside, that’s f’ing amazing acting from both of them 🙇🏻♂️
she sure is gorgeous.
Imagine what tony would have been like if he treated everyone the same as he did the horse or even his daughter?
I give my life on a silver platter to my patients
Well his therapist is the only person to tell Tony to sit and he sits lol she had the power and respect for each other showed here
its not crocodile tears, he really loved her and he knew it was his fault that she killed herself.
Let the dead bury their dead. I am about my father's business. Sometimes when your help isn't reaching and the person insists on staying lost, it's best to walk away.
respectfully disagree.
“She still HANGING around?”
Paul Brennan Cold shit.
Gene started hanging out with her.
It was Tony's threat (via Patsy Parisi) that sent Gloria over the edge.
suicide by capo
nah it was a while after that she killed herself
Good advice from Dr Melfi. Being too hard on yourself can be needlessly debilitating.
One of the episodes was impactful great work by all.
Here is Melfi doing what David Chase seemed to most often accuse therapists of doing: letting Tony off the hook morally by psychologizing his response to Gloria's suicide. Tony tried to take responsibility, as he should have to some extent, and Melfi relativized and abstracted the whole situation by making it about his self-importance. He was trying to do the right thing for a change, and she clipped his wings.
Exactly!
The thing is tony pursued her and she was showing him major red flags. Gloria took major liberties to the point where tony had to hire an enforcer to make sure she stayed away. I will say tony looked liked a douche trying to visit her job after their big fallout. He expected a welcome with open arms. It's crazy and just shows how much of a narcissist tony is. He'll threaten your life one day and expect forgiveness the next day.
I can't agree that saving Gloria was Tony's responsibility. She was right to try and show him his narcissism, although she didn't know that one of Tony's goons threatened to shoot Gloria of course.
There’s two types of therapists and I’ve seen both. The first will mercilessly force you to confront your emotional problems no matter how hard you resist them. The second will constantly baby you into not feeling any guilt or shame. I spent two years with the second type and just four months with the first type. Therapists who don’t care about milking your wallet or upsetting you are some of the kindest, smartest and honest people you’ll ever meet.
The issue is that Melfi can only work with what her patients give to her. Tony is a cunning liar, being very specific on what he reveals, thus preventing self-knowledge, and even worse, leading the therapist into what he hopes to hear.
Greatest show of all time!!!!!
I love how Tony is like in denial that he had anything to do with Gloria’s suicide but deep down knows it was all his fault
To deal with that is just too much
I loved their chemistry and its top notch
I don't think Melfi showed enough leg
Thank goodness for those subtitles
She looks really good in this scene.
Gandofini was an excellent actor and in true romance
Tony, as always, trying to block out the guilt by blaming others, in this instance pointing the finger at Melfi.
The only reason he pretended to be guilty about Gloria's suicide was because he wanted Melfi to tell him exactly that "Why are you so quick to blame yourself".
With me having a leg fetish, this scene for me is pure hypnosis on a whole new level.
Why the fuck you staring at Tony's legs like that bro? You gay?
@occams99 rofl!
she definitely does not look anything close to this these days ... just sayin
@Joe M _A Don doesn't wear shorts_
@@fortunatoofamontillado1059 Most people don't.
When I first saw two of those clips of Tony getting into Melfi's face physically, it kind of made me think that Tony is also seeing a therapist for anger management problems. I am probably right about Tony seeing a therapist not only for his panic attacks but he does have anger management problems so I think it's good that he's constantly going to therapy. I do realize that Tony is under a lot of stress throughout the series and I think he needs frequent therapy. I saw everyone in The Soprano household going to see a therapist such as Meadow, Tony, Carmela and AJ. All four of those Sopranos saw a therapist and it is totally something!
oh yea
Livia & Jenace too
I hear a lot of people say they don't like Lorraine Bracco. I love her!!!
Gloria Trillo was a real woman. Passionate , good cook, cute smile, God what a woman
Onward and upward was the wrong thing for her to say. Anyone would be pissed tbf
That shoulder shrug after he says hunky dory was epic
This was such a good show
I love her eyes in this scene
"Why do you blame yourself?" perfect question....makes him look at how he treat Gloria, but he dont wanna look at his own actions and their consequences.
Powerful scene. One of the best in the show.
Who else came here to see Tony go " Everybody Hunky Dory?" 0:17
I love that he never got Dr. Melfi! She’s too good for him HA HA! 😂😂😂
The tissue box never had the makings of a varsity container
xD
“How’s Gloria Trillo? She still hanging around”
…actually killed herself via hanging
This is one of the best scenes, my hat to who posted this. One of the things I love about this show is the incredible irony. Remember in the beginning of the second season and Dr Melfi complains about one of her clients committing suicide, Tony is like, who gives a shit! I love the Sopranos! Now it's different of course. I bet there are some scenes between Dr Melfi and Tony that never made it. I bought the box sex for some great deleted scenes but was hugely disappointed. Does anybody have any?
cant believe these two never hooked up during the entire show
Dream only lol
I was thinking, making that scene must have rocked
She was smart enough not to get too involved with his orbit of shit.
So many amazing scenes..
I really don't think it was Tony's fault at all. What was he supposed to do? Sticking around would have just dragged them both further down into the muck. Gloria was a time bomb, it was just a matter of time before it happened.
The "if you leave I'll kill myself" shit is abuse and manipulation. There's nothing you can do but cut your losses and hope they find peace.
its not that tony was wrong for breaking up with gloria, but literally nobody but a mob boss with an incredibly broken moral compass would've had someone go to her place of work and threaten to kill her. its especially heinous bc tony knows gloria's therapist! it would've taken one call to dr melfi to get her real help.
tony has so thoroughly internalized the logic of the mafia, and compartmentalized his relationship to mental health treatment (and legal/ethical methods at large) to the point that even when the latter is the easiest and most obvious solution to a problem, he will seek out the former. thats what puts him beyond the pale, and that's what makes him outside of the scope of someone like dr melfi.
dr melfi could've some real good for gloria trillo if they'd had more time together, its obvious that she cared deeply for her. but tony was a lost cause from the jump
@@tocandycane19she got what she deserved, play stupid games win stupid prizes. She literally threatened a mob boss and said she’d tell his wife and kids about them. Big mistake. She was crazy, almost every scene of her and tony involved her getting mad at him irrationally.
You can’t blame others for your mistakes you could only blame yourself for it.
She would have done it anyway... that poor woman was broken. If not behind Tony she would have taken her own life behind somebody else..
Thank goodness for the ancient Greek subtitles. I would have been lost without them.
People decide to kill themselves is usually not a snap decision..it was mostly a long painful process!
"She still...hangin' around?"
Bruh....
I felt for Gloria, poor woman