Now that's a cool video. I was listening to the differences in pickup placement away from the neck and it was very interesting. I think the ES-165 sounded very Jazzy.
All beautiful guitars and some how that pickup brings out the best in all of them. And that's largely do to the fact that the man who is playing all 5 guitars is a dam fine guitar player. ;)
Great playing,, If I were forced to choose one after hearing all candidates I’d have to go with the ES 300 , from 1946, not because I have a 46 L 7 which is a very similar guitar , but the tone on that particular guitar was very rich and very strong!! Love the video, keep it up !!
Fred, I think that the '80 175 has the most night clubby sound of those compared. I love the sound you used to hear in clubs inside Ramada Inn and Holiday Inn back in the '70's- Kessel, Ellis, all of the greats.-Charles Bevell Bloomington, IN
Hey Charles. Thanks for passing by. I've Always found my ES-175 sound quite like Herb Ellis' ES-175 once he mounted the humbucker in the neck position. Cheers. Fred.
wonderful..so a good context, to hear them all next to each other. I'm surprised, some of those other ES's beat the ES175 ..which I did not expect! I loooove 175s ..now maybe I need a ES300 & ES150 too.. of course need an L5 most
Hi Greg. Thanks for passing by. There's nothing wrong with a 175. One of the greatest jazz guitars ever. But my favorite is the '38 ES-150. I think it's the pinacle of bebop guitars. Cheers.
Fred, After my dozenth listen to this comparison, the '46 is my FAVORITE. Sounds the most Kesselish of the guitars you displayed for us. It is the quietest, but has that bite. The DS was the brightest, the '38 the clearest, with no mud at all, and the '80 called up Herb Ellis for sure. Have a ES-175 CC's Charlie on my Heritage H-550, which I ordered from the factory w/o pickups. Kessel played a '46 350, so maybe THAT'S why it summons his sound. Would you ever consider selling the '46? Thanks for playing jazz.- Charles Bevell
Hi Charles. Thanks for you message and for your careful listening. I fully agree with your analysis. As for the '46 ES-300, she is not for sale but you should find one on Reverb. com at any moment. They pop up regularly here, ranging from 2 to 4 k. All the ones I had the chance to try were premium quality instruments. With regards.
Salut veinard, Toutes super mais ma préférence va vers la L5 pour sa douceur incomparable. Et pour répondre à B. Parent, un truc: Tu appuies sur ton mi 1er à la dernière case et la distance corde-micro se situe généralement à une épaisseur d'un pièce de 1 euro. Les TI 12-50 sont super mais il faut quelquefois mettre une 13 à la chanterelle avec un petit ampli style AER. Jazzistiquement votre JPR
The es150 is the best ! The Godin 5th Avenue looks like very much the 150 (visually only). Curious how the CC PU could sound on it. Could you make a try maybe ? Thank you for these videos, gems !
Thanks for passing by. 5th avenue is a complete different beast. The prewar ES-150 has a carved top that gives her a complete different sound. In addition, real CC PU are extremely difficult to found these days (I am not speaking of repro visual copies that only bear the bar pick up style without the big magnet underneath). The ES-150 was the guitar of an era that we will never see again, I'm afraid. Cheers.
What a dream! Some of the most desirable guitars and all charlie christian voiced pickups (including the original), only one lucky guy! Congrats Fred, I follow your videos and love the sound You take from these lovely axes. One quest: I'm intending to buy a CC pup for a 1953 Gibson L48, what do You suggest me (think accuracy in reproducing CC's tone - I love Hank Garland's tone…)? Thanks a lot for posting this one! best
Hi Hermilson. My pleasure to share this with you. If you're looking for a colse-to-the-original CC sound, I would suggest either a CC pickup from "CC UK" (www.ccpickups.co.uk) or a 3 points mounting CC pick up from Jason Lollar (www.lollarguitars.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=LGP&Product_Code=223&Category_Code=charlie-christian-pickups). They are very close in terms of tones. Best to you.
I like them all, but the '46 with the Lollar seemed to be the weakest. I may be the only one, but I think that the ES-175CC sounded the best; the chords at the end were very creamy and lush.- Charles Bevell
Thanks for your comment. I agree that the ES300 is a litle dull in this video. She is more at ease and shining here: ruclips.net/video/dfxMV6JrdF0/видео.html It depends very much on how I am recording her. Cheers.
How do you put a Charlie Christian pick up without drilling those three other little extra holes I don’t see them on the guitars is that a special set up?
It was made for me upon command by Pete Biltoft. So, it fits perfectly the P90 hole. Contrarily to the original CC pick up, there is no metal plate with this mic'. So, no need of the 3 screws. Best and take care.
L'essai tendrait à prouver que le son qui sort d'une guitare ( à qualité égale d'instruments ) vient principalement du musicien qui la joue ...et ici on est dans un continuum de beauté . Maintenant seul le joueur peut apporter quelques informations précieuses concernant par exemple le confort et la facilité de jeu ainsi que la qualité de la réponse de l'instrument par rapport à son intention musicale et le feeling qu'il veut faire passer .
Bonjour Jean-Luc. Merci pour ton message. Pour la jouabilité pure, le format de caisse à 16 pouces donne une grande aisance de jeu, donc plutôt la ES 150 de 1938 ou l'ES 175CC de 1980. Question "expressivité", cela dépend du projet musical. S'il faut jouer des standards dans un style assez moderne, je prends l'ES 175CC ou l'ES 300, deux 17 pouces à table laminée. Dans un style plus "swing" la DS 250 ou l'ES 150 se détachent. Et si j'en gardais une ? Allez deux : l'ES 150 et la DS 250. Zut, j'ai oublié la L5C...Royale mais plutôt adaptée à un contexte acoustique intime. Bonne continuation dans la musique.
@@FredArchtop je viens de retomber sur ces magnifiques démo et je voudrais d'abord te remercier pour ta réponse que je découvre seulement aujourd'hui .....1 AN déjà ! Honte à moi . A ce dernier passage et ré-écoute la DS 250 me fait forte impression . Que penses -tu de la ES 150 ( 1942 ) avec le micro P90 à " oreilles" .IL y en a une qui m'attend ! Prend soin de tes guitares et ne fait pas comme moi qui en a oublié une sur le trottoir ( 7 juillet 2018 ) ....le jour du ramassage des poubelles . La suite est juste incroyable ....
Bravo, c'est juste fantastique ! Bon ben.. Tu viens de me donner envie de claquer 300€ dans un Lollar CC montage à 2 points pour mettre dans mon ES300, achetée avec un P90 non original :'( Tu peux confirmer qu'il n'y a pas d'agrandissement de la cavité à faire ni de nouveaux trous pour les vis ?
You play so beautifully well done, chops without flash, very relaxed. Do you own all these lovely guitars or is it a shop? If it's a shop, where? I've a lovely '58 es350t but I've wanted an earlier 350 with p90s, the Berry album one. If you publish your tabs I'd buy them. John. UK.
Hey John. Thanks for passing by and dropping a line. These are my guitars indeed and I am not a shop owner. I have a 8 hours-a-day job . After that starts my second daily activity, music ! I am a loosy music reader and writer so I don't plan to make tab books. I should have a CD coming out this year featuring me and a friend, a very good jazz guitarist, in a jazz guitar duet where I will also sing a couple of standards. I will let you know. I live in the north-east of France where I am an active jazz musician. Cheers.
Fred Archtop - Thanx for that - we're in lovely France too, till April, near Nice, then back to Blighty via a couple of days in Annecy, then another eight months saving the pennies to come again. Cheers J
Difficult question. I usually switch between them for practising. The one I prefer is certainly the 1938 ES 150. I one I play the most is the Slaman DS 250.
Hey, I was thinking of ordering one of the CC Pickups for a replacement on one of my guitars. It sounds great in your video, but I was wondering how noisy it is??? It seems dead quite in the video but do you get any 60 cycle hum from it?
Hey Sam. Yes, depending on where you play there can be more or less hum. When gigging, I always take with me a humkiller pedal. There's a very good one made by Electro Harmonics for single coil PU. Cheers.
Sam, Am 2 yrs late with a reply, but placing an amp on a high stool above you, at least 3 ft. back, and in back of the neck ( less mass to feedback off of) , instead of the body of the guitar, will limit the hum. Depending on the amp, you might keep the volume more controlled by the guitar knobs than by the amp, anyway. Also, limit the bass on the amp to no more than a third of the way from off to limit hum. Seems like the low frequencies really set it off more than do the highs and mids. Some people stuff cloth or other stuff inside the f-holes when playing loudly, but I've never had to go there. Have a Heritage H-550 (like a Tal Farlow Gibson) that I ordered w/o a pickup, and had a CC put on it. Good luck, fellow jazzer.- Charles Bevell
Hi Matthew. Actually, all the pickups are original except the CC PU mounted on the ES-300. I bought this guitar with the original P90 already gone and I swapped an old non original CC with this one from Pete Biltoft. Cheers.
Superbe vidéo, très instructive. Pour ma part j'essaye de tirer le meilleur parti d'une Peerless new York équipée d'un CC Seymour Duncan. En avez vous essayé?Il m'a fallu bien du temps avant d'apprendre qu'il fallait des potards de 500(vol.) & 300(tone+ 22/27 capacitor). Quelle est la distance optimale micro/cordes? Ne seraient ce pas des Thomastik???Encore bravo & merci! parentbossis@free.fr
Je ne connais pas les Peerless. Effectivement, je joue avec des cordes TI swing 12-50. La distance micro-cordes est à optimiser pour chaque instrument, difficile de donner une réponse globale...soit très prés des cordes pour mon ES 150, soit plus éloignée (son plus percussif) sur ma DS 250. Bonne chance dans votre musique.
That L5 with the CC is so sick
Eli Zevin Wise choice Eli!
wow what a beautiful collection and elegant guitar playing. loved it! thank you
All sweetheart guitars and some fine playing. Too much enjoyment for one day.
My eyes and ears are filled with joy, and those guitars make me drool!!!
Now that's a cool video. I was listening to the differences in pickup placement away from the neck and it was very interesting. I think the ES-165 sounded very Jazzy.
Very cool how you seamlessly switch from beauty to beauty, ;~}
You are such a refined player, truly special. Thanks for sharing your art.
GREAT playing .....should say FABULOUS and the connection from one guitar to the following another one is quite a magic
tour !
Jean-Luc Bersou Merci Jean-Luc.
I could listen to this music all day. Nice sounds.
I liked them all but the DS-250 was my favorite with the Lollar next. I would take any of them though! Thanks for this wonderful demo!
My pleasure James. Thanks
All beautiful guitars and some how that pickup brings out the best in all of them. And that's largely do to the fact that the man who is playing all 5 guitars is a dam fine guitar player. ;)
How wonderful it is to feel "clean." Merry Christmas, Fred.
Halo, sus guitarras están bien bonitas, y la interpretación al 100%, felicidades 👍
Gracias Mauricio!
Thanks! A very interesting comparison, nicely edited, really well played, and of course, fabulous eye candy, too.
Thanks for doing this video. I recently played a Slaman 350T with a P90 and loved it, but now I'm convinced on the CC pickup.
Hey Chris. Take care, if you switch for a CC Pu then you'll never come back to humbuckers ;)
They are great great microphones. Cheers.
I ordered a Slaman sister guitar with a CC pickup. Thanks for your videos highlighting these pickups!
I'm in Love with Love...and Gibson guitars with CC pickups!!
This video is an entire master class
Thanks Gustavo. It's just my intuitive way to play this wonderful standard. Best to you and your music.
This Rodgers & Hart gold nugget is a Rembrandt global Jazz Standard
Muy buen montaje, lindas guitarras y buena interpretacion.
The 150 has the dynamic response and expressiveness, I like. Not as confined to the midrange as the others.
They all sound great--could turn me away from humbuckers! Slick editing BTW.
I used to love humbuckers myself too....You should try a CC. Much more character than a HB !
Great playing,, If I were forced to choose one after hearing all candidates I’d have to go with the
ES 300 , from 1946, not because I have a 46 L 7 which is a very similar guitar , but the tone on that particular guitar was very rich and very strong!! Love the video, keep it up !!
Falling in love with Charlie Christian pick ups ! Great / Thanks, / CC definitely one of my next choices
J'adore et je ne m'en lasse pas...
Merci mon pote !
Nice playing Charlie!
Thanks. CC mikes are the best!
Fred, I think that the '80 175 has the most night clubby sound of those compared. I love the sound you used to hear in clubs inside Ramada Inn and Holiday Inn back in the '70's- Kessel, Ellis, all of the greats.-Charles Bevell Bloomington, IN
Hey Charles. Thanks for passing by. I've Always found my ES-175 sound quite like Herb Ellis' ES-175 once he mounted the humbucker in the neck position. Cheers. Fred.
Awesome playing and tone to die for. Thank you.
wonderful..so a good context, to hear them all next to each other.
I'm surprised, some of those other ES's beat the ES175 ..which I did not expect! I loooove 175s ..now maybe I need a ES300 & ES150 too.. of course need an L5 most
Hi Greg. Thanks for passing by. There's nothing wrong with a 175. One of the greatest jazz guitars ever. But my favorite is the '38 ES-150. I think it's the pinacle of bebop guitars. Cheers.
Beautiful playing! love the Es150
beautiful guitars and playing!!!
lovely!!!
just lovely!
Wow!!! That's a sound!
My personal preference is:
Es300
Es175
Ds-250
My exact order of preference, too.- Charles
the ES 175 was my favorite!
Hi Hector. Probably the one with the most modern sound amongst these ones. Best.
Bravo, bravo
Wow！ You are sooooo… awesome & cool ‼️ 👍👍👍
Thank you !
Thanks for work & sharing
Fred, After my dozenth listen to this comparison, the '46 is my FAVORITE. Sounds the most Kesselish of the guitars you displayed for us. It is the quietest, but has that bite. The DS was the brightest, the '38 the clearest, with no mud at all, and the '80 called up Herb Ellis for sure. Have a ES-175 CC's Charlie on my Heritage H-550, which I ordered from the factory w/o pickups. Kessel played a '46 350, so maybe THAT'S why it summons his sound. Would you ever consider selling the '46? Thanks for playing jazz.- Charles Bevell
Hi Charles. Thanks for you message and for your careful listening. I fully agree with your analysis. As for the '46 ES-300, she is not for sale but you should find one on Reverb. com at any moment. They pop up regularly here, ranging from 2 to 4 k. All the ones I had the chance to try were premium quality instruments. With regards.
très cool de voir ton arsenal CC dans une seule vidéo :)
:)
Salut veinard,
Toutes super mais ma préférence va vers la L5 pour sa douceur incomparable.
Et pour répondre à B. Parent, un truc:
Tu appuies sur ton mi 1er à la dernière case et la distance corde-micro se situe généralement à une épaisseur d'un pièce de 1 euro.
Les TI 12-50 sont super mais il faut quelquefois mettre une 13 à la chanterelle avec un petit ampli style AER.
Jazzistiquement votre
JPR
Beauty work. .saluti da Italia. .
Grazie sai.
You're a truly masterful player!
Thanks, but...maybe in my next life.
PS, Vol 118 and Joey is the shizel, those tracks always put me in a good place, YEAH !!
Wellcome aboard Mr. BGJ. Joey DeFrancesco is too good to be true....
Lollar for me. Love it in my tele.
That’s just sic .... Why does one guy get all the good git fiddles 😂. We need to be friends, Fred ... 😎
Superbe :) merci du partage!
:)
Ds-250 the best of the best!
Es175, is very clear sound!
The es150 is the best !
The Godin 5th Avenue looks like very much the 150 (visually only).
Curious how the CC PU could sound on it. Could you make a try maybe ? Thank you for these videos, gems !
Thanks for passing by. 5th avenue is a complete different beast. The prewar ES-150 has a carved top that gives her a complete different sound. In addition, real CC PU are extremely difficult to found these days (I am not speaking of repro visual copies that only bear the bar pick up style without the big magnet underneath). The ES-150 was the guitar of an era that we will never see again, I'm afraid. Cheers.
@@FredArchtop You made my dream evaporate ! haha..! Thank you for the advise anyway. Love your videos and playing. Absolutly brillant!
Es 175 j'adore!
All sound fabulous to me. How did you get so many wonderful arch tops?
Lots of Money jaja
You lucky dog! p.s. Nice playing!
What a dream!
Some of the most desirable guitars and all charlie christian voiced pickups (including the original), only one lucky guy!
Congrats Fred, I follow your videos and love the sound You take from these lovely axes.
One quest: I'm intending to buy a CC pup for a 1953 Gibson L48, what do You suggest me (think accuracy in reproducing CC's tone - I love Hank Garland's tone…)?
Thanks a lot for posting this one!
best
Hi Hermilson. My pleasure to share this with you. If you're looking for a colse-to-the-original CC sound, I would suggest either a CC pickup from "CC UK" (www.ccpickups.co.uk) or a 3 points mounting CC pick up from Jason Lollar (www.lollarguitars.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=LGP&Product_Code=223&Category_Code=charlie-christian-pickups). They are very close in terms of tones. Best to you.
Where could I get the CC UK reissue pickup? Thanks. Wonderful playing
Hi. It's there ccpickups.co.uk/
I like them all, but the '46 with the Lollar seemed to be the weakest. I may be the only one, but I think that the ES-175CC sounded the best; the chords at the end were very creamy and lush.- Charles Bevell
Thanks for your comment. I agree that the ES300 is a litle dull in this video. She is more at ease and shining here:
ruclips.net/video/dfxMV6JrdF0/видео.html
It depends very much on how I am recording her.
Cheers.
How do you put a Charlie Christian pick up without drilling those three other little extra holes I don’t see them on the guitars is that a special set up?
It was made for me upon command by Pete Biltoft. So, it fits perfectly the P90 hole. Contrarily to the original CC pick up, there is no metal plate with this mic'. So, no need of the 3 screws. Best and take care.
nice playing
Thanks Disco.
Slaman DS 250? Is that the guitar you are playing at 3:00 into the video?
Yes, absolutely. Made in 2015. Cheers.
L'essai tendrait à prouver que le son qui sort d'une guitare ( à qualité égale d'instruments )
vient principalement du musicien qui la joue ...et ici on est dans un continuum de beauté .
Maintenant seul le joueur peut apporter quelques informations précieuses concernant
par exemple le confort et la facilité de jeu ainsi que la qualité de la réponse de l'instrument
par rapport à son intention musicale et le feeling qu'il veut faire passer .
Bonjour Jean-Luc. Merci pour ton message. Pour la jouabilité pure, le format de caisse à 16 pouces donne une grande aisance de jeu, donc plutôt la ES 150 de 1938 ou l'ES 175CC de 1980. Question "expressivité", cela dépend du projet musical. S'il faut jouer des standards dans un style assez moderne, je prends l'ES 175CC ou l'ES 300, deux 17 pouces à table laminée. Dans un style plus "swing" la DS 250 ou l'ES 150 se détachent.
Et si j'en gardais une ? Allez deux : l'ES 150 et la DS 250.
Zut, j'ai oublié la L5C...Royale mais plutôt adaptée à un contexte acoustique intime.
Bonne continuation dans la musique.
@@FredArchtop je viens de retomber sur ces magnifiques démo et je voudrais d'abord te remercier pour ta réponse que je découvre seulement
aujourd'hui .....1 AN déjà ! Honte à moi . A ce dernier passage et ré-écoute
la DS 250 me fait forte impression . Que penses -tu de la ES 150 ( 1942 )
avec le micro P90 à " oreilles" .IL y en a une qui m'attend ! Prend soin de tes guitares et ne fait pas comme moi qui en a oublié une sur le trottoir
( 7 juillet 2018 ) ....le jour du ramassage des poubelles . La suite est juste
incroyable ....
All sound nice :)
Thanks Steve.
Cool!!
What backing track is that?
Sounds like Ed Bickert on a tele😎🎸🇨🇦
Bravo, c'est juste fantastique !
Bon ben.. Tu viens de me donner envie de claquer 300€ dans un Lollar CC montage à 2 points pour mettre dans mon ES300, achetée avec un P90 non original :'(
Tu peux confirmer qu'il n'y a pas d'agrandissement de la cavité à faire ni de nouveaux trous pour les vis ?
Merci, je t'ai répondu en PM.
Hi Fred, i dislike a bit the original Golden Soap Humbucker installed in my trusted '97 Guild Artist Award... Any suggestion?
Hi Cesare. Me neither. I took it offmy L5C. Now it's equipped with a Charlie Christian floating PU from Pete Biltoft. Cheers.
@@FredArchtop I Think I'd like to mail Biltoft for a purchase...
Tks a l'ottima FRED
You play so beautifully well done, chops without flash, very relaxed. Do you own all these lovely guitars or is it a shop? If it's a shop, where? I've a lovely '58 es350t but I've wanted an earlier 350 with p90s, the Berry album one. If you publish your tabs I'd buy them. John. UK.
Hey John. Thanks for passing by and dropping a line. These are my guitars indeed and I am not a shop owner. I have a 8 hours-a-day job . After that starts my second daily activity, music ! I am a loosy music reader and writer so I don't plan to make tab books. I should have a CD coming out this year featuring me and a friend, a very good jazz guitarist, in a jazz guitar duet where I will also sing a couple of standards. I will let you know. I live in the north-east of France where I am an active jazz musician. Cheers.
Fred Archtop - Thanx for that - we're in lovely France too, till April, near Nice, then back to Blighty via a couple of days in Annecy, then another eight months saving the pennies to come again. Cheers J
Do you have a favorite?
Difficult question. I usually switch between them for practising. The one I prefer is certainly the 1938 ES 150. I one I play the most is the Slaman DS 250.
Hey,
I was thinking of ordering one of the CC Pickups for a replacement on one of my guitars. It sounds great in your video, but I was wondering how noisy it is??? It seems dead quite in the video but do you get any 60 cycle hum from it?
Hey Sam. Yes, depending on where you play there can be more or less hum. When gigging, I always take with me a humkiller pedal. There's a very good one made by Electro Harmonics for single coil PU. Cheers.
Thanks!
Sam, Am 2 yrs late with a reply, but placing an amp on a high stool above you, at least 3 ft. back, and in back of the neck ( less mass to feedback off of) , instead of the body of the guitar, will limit the hum. Depending on the amp, you might keep the volume more controlled by the guitar knobs than by the amp, anyway. Also, limit the bass on the amp to no more than a third of the way from off to limit hum. Seems like the low frequencies really set it off more than do the highs and mids. Some people stuff cloth or other stuff inside the f-holes when playing loudly, but I've never had to go there. Have a Heritage H-550 (like a Tal Farlow Gibson) that I ordered w/o a pickup, and had a CC put on it. Good luck, fellow jazzer.- Charles Bevell
Did you or the same person retrofit the pickup in all the vintage guitars?
Hi Matthew. Actually, all the pickups are original except the CC PU mounted on the ES-300. I bought this guitar with the original P90 already gone and I swapped an old non original CC with this one from Pete Biltoft. Cheers.
Superbe vidéo, très instructive. Pour ma part j'essaye de tirer le meilleur parti d'une Peerless new York équipée d'un CC Seymour Duncan. En avez vous essayé?Il m'a fallu bien du temps avant d'apprendre qu'il fallait des potards de 500(vol.) & 300(tone+ 22/27 capacitor). Quelle est la distance optimale micro/cordes? Ne seraient ce pas des Thomastik???Encore bravo & merci! parentbossis@free.fr
Je ne connais pas les Peerless. Effectivement, je joue avec des cordes TI swing 12-50. La distance micro-cordes est à optimiser pour chaque instrument, difficile de donner une réponse globale...soit très prés des cordes pour mon ES 150, soit plus éloignée (son plus percussif) sur ma DS 250. Bonne chance dans votre musique.
'53 L5!!!!!!
Wise choice !
It was definitely the darkest sounding of the bunch. Very rich.- Charles
yes! my choice too.. dark, rich and everything under sweet controll.
No listening fatigue here...
I'l love to take your L5C off your hands anytime you willing to part with it. Let me know. Best wishes.
The Lollar will be NOT my choice.....
Neither mine ! Now I've changed it for a Pete Biltoft CC pickup. Cheers.
Hi Fred, is the Pete Biltoft a floating CC pup? I would love to put one of those on my Steve Andersen archtop.
Hi Phillip. Yes, That one is from Pete Biltoft. Best.
Fred Archtop amazing! Is this on his site or a special order?
@@philmaz14 It was a special order to fit the small area between top and strings. Pete is very helpful to do this upon request. Best.
Fred Archtop very cool. All the best, Fred!