Make sure you are using this setting
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- In the Ecoflow app, there is a setting called discharge/charge level. You can use this powerful feature to extend the lifetime of your battery.
For example, setting this to 20%/80% can more than double your cycles to 80% capacity! This is true for both Lithium ion NMC and LFP (lifepo4 / lithium iron phosphate) batteries.
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They say LFP can be used full capacity extended cycles. But im using 10-90 in normal use, if need full capacity I charge it 100% but I know im going to use it next hours or in a day. If using panels 20-80 is good since you going to use and charge same time.
Excellent comment. I recommend everybody follow this advice, whether you have NMC or LFP, as it will make both battery types last even longer than the rated cycles.
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RECOMMENDED SETTINGS FOR ALL ECOFLOW UNITS
To get many years out of your battery go into Energy management settings and set them as follows.
Discharge limit 30% charge limit 90%
And if you have it plugged to AC or on solar in witch i recommended set the energy saving to 80% incase the power goes out.
Also go into the AC charge setting and set that to optimized battery charging set to 500w so the battery does not get hot and shorten the life of your battery.
Only use fast charging if the battery is completely flat for a one of quick charge as the battery gets hotter if you are charging fast all the time.
Also one a month unplug the solar or AC depending with one you are using at the time and discharge to 35 % and then reconnect the solar or AC recharge to 85% then go back to the previous set up.😁😁👍👍👍
Fact when the ecoflow says 0% in reality there is still 20% of power left in the battery because the computer in the ecoflow is programed to stop giving out power one it reaches 0% to save 20% to stop damaging the battery.
Ecoflow service centre has told me the unit is designed to charge to 100% and discharge to 0% over 3000+ Times. the feature you are using is just there to make the user feel better about saving the battery.
By the time the battery will fail it won't happen until 10 to 12 years time then it will only hold 80% of charge.
Ecoflow know that 90% of users will charge to full and run it flat 90% of the time.
And some people will only use it as an emergency power supply and not use them every day.
They have made their unit as foolproof as possible.
the problem you talk about is for the older Ecoflows with lithium ion batteries that can only do 800 cycle charges.
I repair Ecoflows as i service them when they fail.
Well the video shows a Delta Mini (with NMC batteries) and around the time the video was made most Ecoflow units still had NMC batteries.
I'd like to see documentation on the actual buffer Ecoflow uses, do you know where they state a 20% reserve?
Because if that is true, then I agree with what you are saying. However, I am skeptical, since most NMC cells are rated to 500 FULL discharge cycles, so rating them to 800 would indicate only a very small buffer. And I believe the NMC River units were only rated to 500 cycles, indicating virtually 0 buffer.
Also if they have such a large buffer, a feature like this wouldn't really be necessary, so why did they make it?
And lastly, LFP still doesn't like to be discharged to 0 or fully charged to 100% (and it's worse if it is left sitting at those SOC levels). LFP still has some drawbacks compared to NMC such as self-discharge and long-term cell balancing issues, which can exacerbated by doing deep cycles repeatedly.
Ultimately a LFP battery with a decent buffer is a great setup and will last you many years with plenty of capacity as you mentioned. But it's up to the consumer to choose if they want to trust the manufacture to provide a proper sized buffer, or to just use the app and change it to a setting they are comfortable with.
And remember, all these power stations are being reviewed by RUclipsr's now, and they all almost always do a capacity test. If a power station scores poorly (because it has a large buffer / reserve - which is actually a good thing) some people might see that and decide not to buy it!
So I would argue the manufacturer is actually incentivized to not have a large buffer. Of course the manufacturer could underrate the capacity to avoid that, but again we just don't know for sure.
@@SoGenFanI have the ecoflow delta 2 the setting i mentioned above mostly apply to li lippo 4 lithium batteries with 3000 + cycles in the ecoflow delta 2 and pro and the delta max battery pack. the one in your must be the older model generation 1.
My ecoflow pro won't charge anymore and I've only had it a year. Only used it about 3 times. Do you have any suggestions on how to fix the problem? There is just a red light flashing on the right side of the display. Any help would be much appreciated. I paid around $6,000 for the unit and 3 x 400 watt solar panels.
Is the river pro a good one or the older one your talking about?
@@GreensnGuitars the Eco flow delta 2 is the best one to buy as it has better battery's in it just like the ones in the tesla car.
Nowadays most BMS can automatically manage the battery for you, you know how the screen on your phone still shows a battery icon or that device still flashes on the screen 0% is because the BMS and OS shuts off the battery load generally around 10% actual remaining anyways
The reality is, you can charge this from 0-100% everyday for 8+ years and you'll still have 80% capacity left in your batteries. Just use it's full potential, the pcb inside will probably die before the batteries are no good.
Exactly. Of what use is buying a battery and then using just 60% capacity of the battery just to prolong the life. All batteries will eventually wear out no matter how very carefully you treat it. I wont buy a 100ah battery and only use 600ah because I want to preserve the battery. Makes no sense. And this is LFPs whose DOD is rated for 0-100% without any damage
If you need to use the entire capacity, go for it. But if you are using some capacity here, some there, why would you wait till it drains down to 0 to charge it back up. It's worse for the battery and you are not gaining anything.
@@SoGenFan It will shock you that some people still say LFPs do not like to be charged to 100%. Many confusing and conflicting guidelines
This was super helpful ! Thank you. I am new to this, I just bought the small ecoflow and really excited to use it in my camping !
I do like the fact that I can control and monitor that power station with just an App.
My ecoflow pro won't charge anymore and I've only had it a year. Only used it about 3 times. Do you have any suggestions on how to fix the problem? There is just a red light flashing on the right side of the display. Any help would be much appreciated. I paid around $6,000 for the unit and 3 x 400 watt solar panels.
Try searching for answers on diysolarforum.com/
If you cannot find an answer, make a post. There are some very helpful people on there.
Prob software update or firmware
Thanks for the reminder to set my parameters. Nothing bad like overheating my batteries un necessarily causing long term damage. Thanks again.
Thank you. I just got a DELTA pro this week and this video was the first time I heard about this setting and I watch MANY video's about the DELTA pro. When I saw the setting I was like "why would I not want to change to 100%" ... now I know :)
Brother, this really help me out I was unable to get my river 2 to charge beyond 80% I did a firmware update and then I change the energy management settings to 5% on the low end and 95% on the high end and it is charging great. I’m so happy I found this video.
Ecoflow devices are known for premature failures, so limiting yourself from using full capacity makes no sense. If those units were reliable and really capable of outlasting the battery then this settings would be very helpful.
What's funny about this is, this is the argument I used to make back when all power stations had NMC batteries (with "only" 500 cycles). Nobody wanted to spend $$ on something that had a battery that wasn't going to last.
Of course I tried to explain that the standardize test is a bit harsh - doing full cycles at high C rates, which is an unlikely use case in the real world. And of course even at the rated cycles, you would still have 80% of new capacity.
Then LiFePO4 batteries started to appear and everybody wanted to buy these "long-lasting" power stations lol.
Yeah so basically even in power stations with NMC batteries, your comment is most likely applicable (and this video was made referencing a NMC power station and meant for users with NMC power stations - if you have LFP it is not necessary although I still recommend against leaving a LiFePO4 / LFP battery SITTING at either 100 or 0%).
The health and longevity of the ecoflow will thank you, great tip
isn't the best battery health already baked into the design? I've heard thats one of the reasons Ecoflow is a bit pricier, because 0-100 is actually 10-90 as they over-provision the battery thats actually in there
Hopefully it is, but it's still better to do 20-80 or 30-70 etc especially if you have NMC.
Thank you!!!!! Without noticing that I had changed the settings on the phone and found that the Ecoflow River 2 Max does not recharge. I was within the set recharging stage. Adjusted it and it started to recharge again! Resolved,
Ecoflow River 2 Pro - setting under, Energy Management.
There is no on/off, you just set your desired percentage perimeters. The icon stays on automatically.
Thanks for the video.
Yep - unlike Jackery, which only has two options: 0-100% or 15-85%
Strangely, I don't have an option to set the discharge level on my River Pro. Only max charge level.
Is your firmware up-to-date?
@@SoGenFan yes, everything is up-to-date.
Same here 😢
No option on my app to set the discharge feature. Ecoflow
thanks for the video. are there any other ecoflow setting changes you would advise? ours would only be used for power outages and scheduled charges and discharges to help battery life.
Yes, I highly recommend using a slow charge setting when charging from the wall.
Video of that here: ruclips.net/video/h222h07ihXU/видео.html
If you need to charge it quickly, it's fine to use the highest speed once and a while. Just don't use the fast charge unless you really need it.
Also keep the unit in a cool place away from direct sunlight.
I only use only refregerator n fan need more solars
Thanks for the demo and info, have a great day
Yes mine tur s off at 12%😊
Good batteries but plenty of exxagerated bs online about how great they are. The tech could stand a lot of improvement.
That's true.
could not agree more,,, best thing since sliced bread when I bought ,,,now its lost half its capacity,and that just happened over night!! ... There is nothing in the owners booklet about that "state of discharge light"....
If you store your battery/generator for a few months without using it, what battery percentage should it be at before storing?
Best for battery health: 50%
Best for usability: 80%
Thank you! That makes a lot of sense.
Thank you
TY for this. Purchased Delta Pro last month and couldn't figure out the purpose of the limits. Now I know
I appreciate this video. I set the Energy Management to the recommended:
Discharge limit to 30%
Charge limit to 85%
I have been discharging and charging at this rate every 3 months
and had no emergencies so far. I live in Florida. If a storm is approaching,
should I change the limits to 0 - 100% and charge the unit to 100%?
Yes, that's the ideal way to use these batteries. Don't be afraid to use the full 100% if you need it.
I have the discharge/charge level set15% to 80% do I want the x-Boost on or off? Can I leave it pugged in all the time?
X-boost allows the AC inverter to power appliances that would normally draw more power than the inverter can output (by dropping the output voltage below the acceptable range).
Since simple appliances with resistive heating elements and mechanical switches (i.e. hotplates, kettles, toasters, hairdryers etc) can "run" on any voltage this feature can be useful when used correctly. However, DO NOT use x-boost for anything with an electronic / digital display, sophisticated electronics inside, or anything with a motor / compressor. You will damage these types of appliances if the voltage drops below the acceptable range.
Therefore I suggest turning X-boost off and only turning it on to power a specific compatible appliance when necessary.
@@SoGenFan Thank you this is for a 2.5 hp motor on a lift to our basement when the power goes out and we are down there during a strom so can I leave it pugged in all the time ? I keep the lift pugged in to AC untill the power goes out
Good Video, good advice.Thanks Brother.
When I store my echo flow Delta 1300, echo flow Delta 2 and river, what should I store them at? Not 100% correct?
Between 50 - 80%
On the FAQ on the Website it says to callibrate discharge to 0% and then charge to 100%. How do you explain this in the light of above video?
Ecoflow only calibrates the BMS after a "full cycle". Why? I have no idea. Most brands update the % calibration at startup, or with a reset button. So yes you have to set it to the full 0-100% in order to do it.
Also I have an echo flow 1300 I never used it and stored it away mm I attempted to use one day and it would work without plugging it into the wall .
All numbers read 000.
Any suggestions on what can be the issue? Manufacturer wont take it back because I purchased it from Qvc
Try searching for Ecoflow Delta problems on diysolarforum.com/ or create a new post - there are a lot of helpful people on there and the knowledge base is quite extensive.
Did you ever get a fix on your problem I’m having the same problem
Whenever I get a new battery/device, they usually come 30-50% charged. I then drain it to zero, just once, then charge to 100% to calibrate the battery. After that it’s 20%-80%, and i’ll charge to 100% 3-6x a year. Is this initial habit damaging or beneficial?
It depends on how the BMS is programmed. Some power stations do need a full cycle to calibrate the BMS accurately. With others (like Jackery) you can simply 'reset' them. All power stations should have a base map preloaded with voltage & percentages, but the percentage will often drift away from that, with use, as the BMS takes in other considerations such as output load and charging.
Since most power stations reserve some of the battery capacity (0% is not truly 0, and the same for 100), it's not going to hurt the battery to do a full cycle once and a while.
If you are really concerned about it, the best thing to do is slow down the charge and discharge as you near 0 or 100%. Use USB-C PD input of less than 100w, or trickle charge with solar on an overcast day, etc.
And drain the battery down to 0% while charging low-wattage devices off USB etc. Also charge it back up (at a low rate again) ASAP. Leaving a lithium battery sitting at 0% for extended periods is one of the worst things for it.
Hope this helps.
Right, right, right. You must be an air head!
just what i was looking for
Mine keeps discharging when fully charged when I wake up and it’s 0%
Lifepo4 or NMC?
@@SoGenFan river 2 max run a 100w Solar on roof.
bought thousands of cycles. i hope to get em all... you re right
With the dimensions of the Delta Mini, I think I can place it under my computer table and use it as a backup UPS since it has 882Wh of capacity.
Its not UPS. It has EPS, which engages if it notices grid is down. Activation may take 300ms to 2500ms.
Similarly with my Delta Pro, I have a CyberPower UPS in front of my devices. I cycle it on and off daily while switching AC on and off remotely with a Kasa smart outlet when the solar is generating power.
Dude! Get with it already, damn....
Great video, thanks for this.
I’m a bit confused with how to store these batteries.
I have been storing mine at 30%, then every 3 months I charge to 85%, discharge to 5% and then re charge back to 30% to store for 3 months. Is this the correct way? :)
You don't have to cycle lithium ion batteries.
There is no advantage for the battery. It does help keep the battery's monitor system (BMS) more accurate though. I'd say it's fine to keep doing what you are doing, those are good numbers you're using.👍
Storing between 30-60% is the ideal range. Only reason I would recommend higher than 30%, is incase the battery experiences some self-discharge or you forget to check it every few months. It sounds like you are on top of things though, so you're good!
For others, I'd recommend more around 50% for those reasons. Also temperature is very important, store in a cool dry place!
@@SoGenFan ah that’s fantastic! Thank you for the reply 👍🏻
You should store it at 60%. And every 3 months you take it out to discharge it to 30%, then charge it to 60% again.
@@vipxuzhen ^^THIS^^ according to the manufacturer.
Ecoflow told meto discharge to 0 and charge to 100 % 3 times to calibrate battery is that correct? Or make sense?
Yes, this is to calibrate the BMS (battery management system) so you get a more accurate indication of the SOC (state of charge / battery %).
You will likely need to do this periodically, which is fine to do. I just don't recommend discharging to 0% or charging to 100% all the time.
That power station does really pack at punch with 882Wh of power on tap.
For a 882Wh power station, it sure is not that big and looks really portable.
What I like best is the power of that power station. 882Wh is a lot of power for a solar generator that size.