LIGHT SKIN VS DARK SKIN | COMPLEXION EP 2
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
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Shannon and I had a chance to sit down and ask each other about our experiences #growingupblack and dealing with our complexions. Hope you enjoy! Don't be afraid to join the conversation, let us know your experiences.
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That dark skin girl is like, the most, beautiful girl ever, honestly I can't stand people who say"I'd never date a dark skinned girl" like, boyyyy that dark skin girl won't ever date you.
+Charles Franklin um he didnt say the light skin girl wasn't beautiful. Just because he mentioned one person being beautiful doesn't mean the other one is ugly
Thats very nice Tyler :)
HONESTLY DON'T FUCKING TRY TO PICK SIDES ACCEPT THEM FOR BOTH BEING BEAUTIFUL OKAY
Tyler Williams I am darker than her and even more beautiful .
Bella Chocolategirl Thirsty as fuck
why do pple always say dark BUT beautiful? why can't it be dark n beautiful?
+Carrolle London Dark and lovely! Lol
+Carrolle London we've been brainwashed into viewing it as inferior by systemic racism white supremacy
Agreed! I'm neither light or dark but my daughter IS dark skinned in the south and she gets that, much less than she got on the west coast. On the west coast she just gets "your pretty". It's become subconcious, the ligjt skinned chick didnt even realize she was saying smh. That's a trip cuz while both girls here are attractive the darker complected one is much prettier ...she's beautiful ! I'm just teaching my daughter to love herself and that her skin is Ethiopian beautiful!
I prefer dark skinned sistas.
Yeah, that comment also rubbed me the wrong way.
BOTH of these ladies are BEAUTIFUL. But slavery really fucked us all up. Colorism has DESTROYED US. People, at the end of the day, WE'RE ALL HUMAN. My sister is brown skinned, she's felt the pain of being brown skinned. But she's gorgeous. You just gotta love the skin you're in.
Preach!
I always feel a slight stab in my heart when people say "she's dark BUT... xyz"
haha, interesting conversation :)
I love the conversation but I was ehhh once you guys started talking about Rachel. She might have fought for causes but at it's base the issue was that she was deceitful. Rachel has also lied about experiencing hate crimes which is extremely disrespectful. The problem is the matter of honesty. I have met white allies who did not have to go as far as to lie about family members and experiences to help. I don't want you guys to wash over her like it was no big deal because was she did was absolutely dishonest and wrong.
I agree. Rachel could have did all her activism work and MORE as a white woman! Her lying and being deceitful makes her look less credible. And it hurts the NAACP's credibility which is already hurting on its own.
+AliEsteem I agree that what she did was wrong. I am in no way excusing her. I was only saying that I wasn't mad about her wanting to be black. However its never ok to deceive people.
rachel deciding that she wants to be black is just another example of white privilege. POC do not have the option of doing that and in the few cases where a poc passes as white it is to escape inequality and oppression. That is very different than what Rachel is doing, being black because it looks cool and is convenient for her and makes her happy.
thank you for your reply I know this reply was from three years ago but thank you very much because I was a little bit dumbfounded by both of these black women that say they didn't understand the outrage about Rachel.....What Rachel did was disgusting... it wasn't about helping other people it was living out a fantasy in her mind and when that fantasy is over she can go back to being blonde hair blue-eyed Rachel and everything is Sunshine's unicorns and rainbows in the world unlike the Race of ppl she choose to impersonationed.........Her own parents were completely blinded sided by her actions of living a lie....Black ppl skin color literally are death sentence in this country on any given day.... The black woman is the most abused neglected abandon and discarded demographic in this country and they don't understand....Come on Ladies,......Shan said she went to a HBCU I'm gonna need her to expand her Black History Education vastly..... Because the cluelessness is a tragic disservice .....
@@greencupid1232 straight facts
What I hate the most is when other dark skinned women try to talk down on me because I'm a shade darker than they are... makes no sense.
No because you think you guys look better than us you have too much confidence
Shannon Boodram needs to recognize her privilege of being a light skinned woman and she is perceived differently and is close to a standard of beauty and the way we look is the first thing that others see. If she can walk into a room of white people and feel comfortable that is privilege. She doesn't have to pinpoint it. Everyone works hard and because of our positions in society we are more mobile or less mobile due to race (colorism within that), class, being able bodied, gender and sexuality, etc. I really enjoyed the discussion though and watched on both channels!
Yeah this is very true.
Ebony Regine seek help Ebs.
Ebony Regine What privilege did she get?
I listened again yes the girl on the left did say her best friend was dark BUT so beautiful, there's the problem people ,there's the problem I can't believe her friend did not call her on that
jeanineflynn yeah i noticed that...we still have a lot of work to do
That is mixed girl for you . It is an exception to see beautiful dark skin . Lol
jeanineflynn She was descriptive of her friends skin color and that she is beautiful 👁😂 What is with the attack ?
I didn’t catch that initially, but when it was pointed out it was cringe. It made me feel conditioned on standards of beauty because it didn’t jump out at me immediately and I did not like it at all, but I will be forever cognizant of my subconscious biases. I hate the pretty for a dark girl mentality. It’s stupid, because beauty has nothing to do with skin color. However, her comment really is along the same lines. I get it. I don’t think she meant it in a derogatory way, but she has been conditioned like most of us around the world. I love that we are out here learning and deprogramming.
Did she say her best friend was dark BUT so beautiful ?
Yea I've had people say to me "brittanie you're not even that dark" or "you're not dark skin you're brown skin" and I'm just like "uh ok" like where did this brown skin term come from lol. I don't feel any type of way being dark skin or being called dark skin(as long as it's not in a negative way).
+Brittanie Scott Yeap, I am someone who would be considered "brown skin" and I identify as dark-skin woman. I also get the "your not dark skin your brown skin" comment from darker skin folks who are a half shade darker than me. Because I am not the darkest, darker-skin people do not classify me as dark skin. Its cray!!
+Brittanie Scott its so crazy to me when ppl say that. ive always considered brown skin to be dark skin. the average black person is your skin tone.
+zoeydelacreme I feel the same way
+Brittanie Scott Exactly. At the end of the day how you feel towards what someone says to you, has to do with YOU. You are secure in your complexion whether someone thinks you are light, dark, medium, whatever
To add my two cents as an Indian girl, pretty much the same conversations exists in our communities. Really we're all just swimming in the same murky water trying to stabilize ourselves through some category. All of our experiences are valid in some way.
Wait did she say her friend in the olympics is "dark BUT beautiful " ?, interesting
I agree.
HappyNappyZama I was wondering the exact same thing, looking through the comments to see if anyone else heard it, hopefully it was a bad choice of words.
HappyNappyZama *triggered*
HappyNappyZama It's probably because talking about skin color makes everybody so uncomfortable and on top of that she also has to watch out she didn't offend people that are easily offended.
who said that?
The "light girl" denied denied denied, while the "darker" one made excuses to make her feel more comfortable. Over it.
Amber O I just discovered this video and just unsubscribed. Shan is disingenuous and rubs me the wrong way. She is like a white woman being coddled. Hopefully,this dark skinned sista gets a backbone.
Rachel is doing black face and she lied to an extreme length for a job that was meant to be for a black person and the NAACP has a history of valuing lighter skinned women and she took advantage of that. Also why on earth do we need to praise a white woman for doing things for the black community? Am I the only one that sees wrong in that? There's plenty of real black women who have done great work that we haven't heard of. So no she does not get my respect. She can do work for the African American community as white person without overvoicing black folk with their black folk issues.
PREACH
Exactly !! I was really bothered by their defense of Rachel and saying we should be happy about her wanting to be black, her being able to decide if she's black or not is a prime example of her white privilege, she can black when it's fun but when the shit hits the fan she'll go back to being Becky. I also did not like the comment they made about ppl recreating Winnie Harlow's vitiligo...its blackface, point blank. There's no way around it, if they wanna recreate vitiligo, recreate the Caucasian equivalent of it.
yasss preach
+Hafsah Mohamed exactly
Yes girl, i was disappointed that that part of the conversation didn’t get deeper. Rachel is wrong on sooooo many levels!
this was such an interesting conversation.. more!!!!
I don't understand how people in the comments people are comparing these two women to each other by complexion and stating that this one is better than the other based on their complexion . They are both beautiful dark, light, mixed doesn't matter they are gorgeous women. Beauty has no race , no color , no complexion . I love this video and I completely love the overall message of love yourself .
I'm dark skinned, but I've gotten slack more from black people because I "act white". I have always been good in school and I grew up an only child, so I really never was around other black people. Once I was in school and around other blacks, they didn't really expect me. They called me a coconut and said I wanted to be white. I think to this day I feel some type way about not being "black enough"...Good topic of conversation ladies!!
The dark skinned women is glowing ✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨woiii!
Ikr she's gorgeous
No the light skin woman is glowing!
They both are!!
+Charles Franklin lol is ur mother glowing tho? I think not
+nubianqueenyada it's really my opinion, I actually didn't look at the lighter skinned woman that much, as my preference is dark skin.
I think the black ppl need to learn to appreciate their own cultures first, be secure in it, etc, before any other race should come in and try to "help" us appreciate it, especially if they do it in a disrespectful manner. Kinda like, before getting into a relationship u have to be comfortable enough with yourself before letting anyone into your life, that doesn't mean u hate other ppl or don't want them in your life, it just means u need to time to understand yourself first, than u can accept help from those who appreciate you and want to help. Many of us are not secure in what it means to be proud of being black, so when we see other races appropriating our culture for aspects of it that we get looked down on, it can be very frustrating.
I don't know it's hard to appreciate things when everything's white washed by y'all racist white people
Coming from a family of lighter skin black people ,my mother is light skinned , and I honestly do not think there is a difference in response between white people and light and dark black people . In a white persons eyes , we are all black and we get treated the same way . The only people who treat lights and darks differently are us as black people because we have been trained the think lights are superior to darker blacks .
White employers notice complexion. White judges notice complexion when bestowing jail sentences. White casting notices complexion when producing movies. However, if Blacks produce their own content/ employment opportunities and resolve colorism, we can fix some of this :)
how sad
Amber Rechellè I haven’t been trained? We are black People who live in America and we are not responsible for what happened to our ancestors or who Someone was with along the way. How you feel about yourself comes from your parenting and environment you grew up in. If you have a bunch of insecure people around you this is how you will grow up.
Of course you said the we all black bullshit
I grew up in what use to be a small, majority white town in GA. I'm the darkest of my 3 siblings, and I remember one Sunday, after church these two older white ladies came up to me and said "aw, bless your heart, I bet you wish you were as pretty as your sisters, you're just to dark."
for the longest time I had a problem with the way I looked, and didn't fit in anywhere. The white kids didn't like me because I was black and their parents didn't approve and the black kids didn't like me because I didn't sound like them.
This was a great conversation. You guys know you have to do a part 3.
I am a dark shin women it takes all the color on Earth to make my dark skin I am t proud to be the mother of colors and share and create different shades different tones.. I give and Take away pigment I create textures that are straight and curly and wavy.. There is no light versus dark only you if you allowed to be... Insecurity creates doubt and fear and stereotypes..... Your blood is the same color red let see you VS Light Red Blood To Dark red Blood.....
These videos are so frustrating! I really wish y'all would have had someone with some more education on racial issues in America, specifically. This convo was extremely superfisical. Light-skinned and dark-skinned issues are deeper than just beauty issues. There are real, tangible benefits to being lighter complected. The Rachel Dozel issue being reduced to the "good" she did for the Black community ignores that fact that she as a white woman took up space in our community that black women, especially darker skinned black women, don't get access to. It acts as if the playing field is even and that that we all have equal access and representation even in Black spaces. And, for Shannon to say that she gets all her racism from black people, ignoring how racism actually works, while also saying she wanted to be aware of her privilege is laughable. I wish y'all could have had this convo with someone, whether light-skinned or dark-skinned, who was more in tune with facts about racial privilege. I am new to Makeba, but I've been following Shannon since TGAW, even bought your book. I hope this didn't come across as mean or condesending. I just wanted this convo to be more than it was.
My exact feelings. I've never heard of Shannon but i follow Makeeba. I have to say im a bit disappointed, only a bit because I know how this shit works. I don't think Shannon learned or contributed much n Makeeba did a lot of compromising n 'splaining.
They should have had you up there you killed it..... My exact sentiment...
I have to be honest, as a dark skinned black women, my first thought when I saw you two was....she not really dark skinned. She 's more brown skinned, you know, that safe range where you get to be safely black. Lol! But as you said, who am I to take away the label you have proudly learned to own?!!! Thanks for sharing your discussion ladies.
I can definitely relate with being the darkest in my family, when I was younger both of my parents were basically that medium brown color while I was like 5 shades darker than anyone in my family. It was to the point where several times people honestly believed I was adopted from Africa or India. I use to hate my dark skin growing up cause I was constantly being told by people and the media "light skins winning" or "light skin girls are the prettiest" or the infamous "you're pretty for a dark skin girl". Growing up I was definitely insecure about my skin color more than anything but now that I'm 17 and I'm more aware of this "subdivision" within the black community and I see people like you and Shannon talk about it I definitely now accept my skin for the color for what it is more despite the ignorant comments I receive or what the media portrays
Don't matter what people say, you're beautiful!
@shazzy I dunno why but I can't respond to you BUT I have to say I first read ur comment like ''omg ppl always find issue with something'' then I thought about it some more and ur right. I will be more conscious of my adjoining words
+Gloomy Bitch I don't like it when someone apologizes for doing something wrong by accident and people like you continue to attack the subject.
Nobody's perfect we all do and say things in the moment. The important thing is that we realize we were wrong.
She said she'll be more conscious, no need to fuel the fire....like why do you have to be a gloomy bitch?
***** I don't have time to read your full comment. I just read the first five lines. Yes, I know you being a gloomy bitch has nothing to do with you attacking her. I just decided to call you that since that is your RUclips name.
Omg! this was a nice, civilized conversation about a pretty controversial issue in our community. I liked how neither of them was biased. We need more like this.
I'm a dark skinned male that dates a light skinned (black) woman. I got a lot of love for dark skinned sisters, it is just that none of em give me a chance.
sir1junior I love your honesty...no offence intended but sometimes, dark sisters are their own worst enemy.
a light skin black women is different than a mixed woman. if you're mixed white and. lack i don't consider that black but having said that i love all shades of black....
The dark skin chick talking about she wouldn't be considered dark in West Africa lol.... she would definitely be considered dark in an Igbo (a Nigerian ethnic group) community. A lot of Ethiopian's, Somalian's, Cameroonian's & South African's etc would most likely be lighter than her too
+IgboBiafran not really, I'm Igbo Nigerian, and she's the average complexion for a woman. Any super light skinned people walking around in Nigeria are either mixed albino or bleached.
+dfd hvv Explain Oguchi Onyewu, Phyno Fino, Monalisa Chinda, Munachi Abi, Adaeze Igwe, Mike Ezuronye, Smash from the group Bracket, Flavor Nabania, Nnamdi Asomugha, Chiwetel Ejiofor, the Nkemdiche brothers, IK Ogbonna, the 4Acesdate sisters, Chigozie Atuanya, Kelechi Odu, Bianca Ojukwu.... MY FAMILY & then go to sleep (the few medium brown skinned examples where mentioned to show she would indeed be considered a regular dark skin). Nobody said she isn't an average complexion. I'm saying she would not be seen as light or brown in an Igbo community as we have MANY light and brown skinned folk in our population. Goodnight.
+IgboBiafran I think Mona Lisa is mixed though...x
BB McKinlay Nope she's not. She says in this article www.nigeriafilms.com/news/1677/2/i-am-a-very-full-nigerian-am-not-an-half-cast-at-a.html
Bruh. Clearly you care. You're watching the video and leaving comments on an old thread. Stfu *****
I totally agree please don't just skip over Rachel like it was nothing.
Conversations that I love to hate:
People:"You're pretty...for a dark girl."
My Response:
::rolls eyes::
"You're sweet for an idiot."
I was done after you said "if you go to some places in Africa", why do you refer to Africa when speaking about complexion? You need to understand that there are light and dark skinned people everywhere and that also includes Africa
+tshiy It was just an example
+tshiy Most There are considerably less 'light skinned black' people in west africa, No one is walking around looking like Tina knowles unless they're mixed.
+tshiy I'm 100% west African with light skin. some people in my family are dark and other are light non of us are mixed.
+tshiy yes I understand that there are light and dark skin people everywhere but using the continent of Africa was an example
Nice conversations ladies. I'm brown skinned so I don't think I ever really received too much hate from either side, but I remember noticing at a young age that some black men coveted light skinned women. I remember there being girls that I thought were butt ugly but if they were light skinned with long hair they still got WAY more attention than a gorgeous dark skinned girl or even a brown skinned girl. It's the oldest trick in the book...divide and conquer. As long as we keep fighting amongst each other we will NEVER make progress as a whole. Dark skinned girls, it's not light skinned girls fault that you're viewed in some circles as "less than." And light skinned girls, it's not dark skinned girls fault that some people think you're a snob or whatever. If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at society for perpetuating these stereotypes and try your best to combat them in your everyday life.
Rachel didn't help the community at all. She made a mockery of us. We can't remove our skin and hair and become accepted, like she can.
I love this series! Being the darkest complexion of all my siblings made me feel less than growing up. Getting to a place where I felt beautiful took some time but, once I did life seemed to get better. Thank you for sharing.
Im a white european girl and im very grateful for beeing able to catch a small glimpse in issues like that. I would feel so uncomfortable talking to a girl with a darker complexion about these topics cause i am aware of my privileges (beeing white, cis, heterosexual, wealthy family, healthy) and i don't feel like im in the position to ask about such an irritated emotional topic. I wasn't even aware... thank you :)
I think that @Jouelzy has the best explanation on YT about why Rachel Dolezal pretending to be black is so problematic, Shannon. Check out her channel!
+Shazzy I also hear you, Shannon, about sometimes not even knowing the extent of light skin privilege and how you can also think oppressive thoughts without knowing it. I mean, even talking about your dark skin friend, you said that she 's "dark skin BUT beautiful." Knowing your stance on these issues, I know there wasn't any malice behind that statement but it goes to show the power behind colonialism and its spread of black self-hate, etc.
they're both fine af
She lied, that's my issue with the Rachel Dolezal
King's Queen Everyone lies about something...she has her issues, i felt sorry for her, where is she now?
very disappointed with the opinions on rachel dolezal. i had to stop listening.
whether people agree or disagree, i think it's a positive thing to actually have this conversation. people like to brush this topic under the rug or say things like ' oh she is just jealous' when actually there are real conversations to be had. kudos to you both.
Rachel did not help us. If anything she set us back. I am 17 teen years old and have come to understand, that if we can't be the front leaders of are cause, why have a voice. People are so quick to say Rachel has done so much for us and they ask "what are doing?" I am taking action and shame on who ever says that, because that just deteriorates everything black women have fought for. Rachel should stop columbusing us. People don't see this as a problem, but man we should take a clearer look at our history.
+Sweet Baby TT Yes she is. Thank you.
That "your not even That dark "comment irks me, becuase honestly what is "that dark" and if i was "that dark" would that be such a bad thing? And i dont really think we should continue to keep dividing our own race lightskin/ brown skin/ darkskin skin, at the end of the day your still gonna be identified as a black person, at least to white people. most likely one of your parents are dark , so everyone should just accept and embrace another persons complexion as they would want their complexion to be accepted and embraced. As a darkskin girl i feel as if there are so many emotions we go through while trying to be accepted, such as worrying if your gonna get the job because of your skin tone, or if your already labled as another mad black women, or when people underestimate what your capable of, etc. We often forget that we're not the only ones goning through it. We all need a place to belong. So if i say to a mixed person ," your not black". And a white person says them them "well your not white either" well just what are they? and where do they belong? Is it wrong for them to identify with both entnic groups ?
The chick on the left was 'wifey material', until her opinions on Rachel Dolzel!
ALL SKINS ARE BEAUTIFUL
Monet7 true
this was a really interesting conversation it just seems to come to the point that it's hard being black in general whether your light or dark its sad that theres so much division amongst black people and along with that we still have to deal with many other races who still treat us like crap!
I think the anger about culture appropriation derives from the fact that when white people copy something we have been doing for literally generations it becomes "trendy" or "cool" but when a black flaunts, its considered ghetto.
Great talk! You are such a beautiful inspiration 😍
Any type of racism is wrong, creating an environment where it is not tolerated is key.
Fantastic conversation ladies. This is a topic that we need to discuss over and over because there are so many nuances and sometimes people hold on to the BS so tightly that they need to be reminded repeatedly of the truth. Kudos.
I agree!
both equally beautiful women
I'm in the middle and I can say that the complexion thing was never an issue for me. I feel blessed to be out of this issue. LOL I have never been someone that speaks in slang and I always did pretty well in school so I was called white because of the way I talked and stuff so I had my issues too.
That dark skin girl look more prettier than than that light skin girl........
....Does it take away from the seriousness and importance of this video by commenting how completely beautiful both these women are, regardless of skin tone???
I love this conversation and it's interesting to hear her perspective as a light skin woman. I found my confidence in college because in high school I was overlooked. I truly believe that skin tone has nothing to do with beauty. These feelings we have go back 100s of years ago as we know. Surround yourself with people who celebrate you. It took me time to get over my insecurity about my dark skin. I want us all to love who we are and how we look. I made a video about how this. Check it out let's keep this conversation going.
And I subscribed
Brunette Chiffon what's was wrong with your dark skin?
We are angry because she uses black to help herself and the black community and she also switched over to her white side to help herself out too! She's also appropriating our (black) culture just like Iggy does.
thank you thank you thank youuu for talking about this! I can feel and see the love in this conversation . Thank you because I needed to hear all of what you both said. I can identify totally.
confidence doesnt stop racism or colourism or privilege
this video has a very interesting topic, but you guys lost me at the Rachel comments. Unacceptable what she did is on acceptable PERIOD. I couldn't keep watching from that point, very disappointed I hope people don't actually look to this for their only source of information.
Shan is missing the point
the whole point
well I'm brown skin and I just consider myself black. and it's honestly the truth because I don't know what either of the two experiences feel like. I've never been made fun of for my complexion or alienated because of it. very good video.
This was a great conversation. As for us medium folk, most of us don't know what to call ourselves lol. in betweeners, Brown skin, or describe our complexion. I call myself and people of similar complexion peanut butter, but honestly it's not that big of a deal. I have people in my family ranging from dark to light. I think it's all beautiful.
Wow! Good honest discussion ladies thank you. I really can identify with the whole medium skinned mould which sadly I'm put in to by my own black people. However the same people have told me I'm dark skinned, and other tell me I am light skinned. I find that darker skinned people call me light skinned and vice versa, which I find odd. In the summer when tanned (I tan quickly and it fades slowly, UK weather) black women have accused me of bleaching when my skin returns to it's natural complexion. Which is very weird since my complexion has been consistent throughout my entire life. On the flip side no white person has ever referred to my complexion as anything other than black, not, light, dark nor medium! Mainly references to my beauty if anything. Would I choose to be lighter or darker you said, my answer is: I choose to be medium, it's what I identify with and what makes me, me. I love my complexion, I don't quite fit. So sad that moulds even exist.
Makeba is so pretty and I love her voice 😍
I love your friendship 💞
Great job discussing this topic of colorism, very mature and different.
I enjoyed both videos.
Blessings beautiful women! 🎤🥰👏🏼
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I don't think Shannon had an advantage, shes just hasn't had it hard. Theres a difference. She isn't viewed for her skin, generally when it comes to opportunities. Its still important to acknowledge that. Just cause you haven't had it easy doesn't mean you have hard it hard.
A psychological study determined that being lighter is synonymous with femininity and that is why lighter women are preferred and for men darker is preferred hence the term tall dark and handsome.
I'm super late seeing this but I just began watching Shan Boody's vids and ran into this. I think this is conversation that is just not happening enough. I think there's so much healing that can be done in hearing what the other side is experiencing. I, too, am dark skinned and was raised in a Haitian household with a light skinned mom and dark skinned father. I am the darkest of my sisters and because of my mom's insecurities, I learned early on that I was somehow less beautiful because of that. My oldest sister was about the same complexion as Shan and it wasn't until we all lived together when I was moving into my preteen years that I realized how differently the world saw us. I got uses to the "you're pretty for a dark girl" comment that I never seen as a compliment. It never occurred to me what it must be like to navigate life from the opposite spectrum. Hearing different perspectives made me realize I wasn't alone in dealing with colorism within my own racial community. ❤
Both of these women are privileged by their BEAUTY...
IF EITHER OF THEM DENY IT, THEY'RE DELUSIONAL...
I think it's really just down to personal experiences at the end of the day. I'm mixed Guyanese (Black and Indigenous), Portuguese, Welsh and Scottish and a similar complexion to Shannon. Living in the UK and I have experienced walking into a room of white people where I'm the only "black/mixed" person in the room and the whole room has completely stopped to stare at me, as if to let me know "no blacks allowed". On the other hand I've also walked into a room of black people where the women give that same look that Shannon was talking about, or they try to make you feel like you're not black enough or even the complete opposite, and insinuate or straight up say that you're basically over compensating. But I just feel at the end of the day it really just comes down to what Makeba was saying (I think maybe in part one) which as you get older you grow and you come to realise that the issue is really theirs and they haven't really grown yet and are still quite immature in that sense within their outlook on a particular aspect of life.
I know this video is old but i found the conversation so interesting! I live in Belgium but my parents are from North Africa (Morocco/Algeria) and most of the time people think i'm black-white mixed when this is not the case.
It is quite funny how Americans easily talk about "race" when in Europe you will be looked at like a fool or racist because race is only used for animals, not for human beings. At the same time, some white people will use the English word "Black" instead of the French word "Noir" to designate a black person as to not offend that person..
Thank you for addressing such issues 🙏😍both very beautiful
omg these two girls are gorg
is that shannon from those girls are wild?!
Yes.
I really loved this discussion, and I feel you guys did a great job at being both frank and insightful. Love the chemistry between you two, you should definitely discuss more topics.
I personally do not like all of the negativity so I will not contribute to it and I will say that I think one of the reasons why people were so angry was because she lied, lied about something so serious for such a long time when she could have been upfront about who she was.
+Marissa Ward I agree. We weren't saying what she did was right. I was saying that personally I was not upset that she wanted to be black. However deceiving people is never ok.
Makeba (ynotkeeb) here here. and then all of that came out to be a liar at the wrongiest wrong time so that just doubled the hate that was thrown at her.
medium wins haha, that was funny. I would consider my self medium, brown, warm caramel. I don't think I'm dark or light but have definately experienced issues with light skin black women and white people. as well as dark skin people calling me white bcuz of how I talk. this conversation is defiantly relavent & needs to happen more often to get rid of this issue
The dark-skinned girl is waaaaayy more stunning... she stands out both are beautiful.. but the dark-skinned girl is WINNNING
whats the prize, what does she win?
J Israel darkskin are beautiful I love their skin but nobody winning hunny we all human
When i was in middle school i wasnt really confident of myself. As a kid boys always called me burnt toast and burnt brownie. But the worst one was oreo and a white girl called me that. My moms lightskin and my dad is darkskin. The only reason why i would be considered attractive back then was the way my body was shaped. Most of the lightskin girls wasnt shaped like me so it was a fifty fifty situation with people. In any situation no one can speak for each race or color. You cant automatically make a sterotype based on how other people in their race act. I also feel that in many countries they don't want to put a girl with a darker or browner skintone up to the plate. Its like they hide them from the world, when really people with color really represent the whole world and how diverse it is.
Very mature channel RUclips became a program to watch through your channel I respect your wisdom, confidence, and comfort
Black people come in many shades and these two are both very beautiful! Wow!
Awesome video ladies💗 I love the advice that our personal perception of our beauty controls our life experience becasue it true. 🙏💫💞
I love how Shan outlined the issue is with BLACK MEN not between black women. (light skinned women who put down darker women are included)
you're both absolutely gorgeous women with amazing personalities. the dark skin/light skin issue started in slavery when complexion was the determining factor for what was "better" and more beautiful when discussing black people. the lighter women worked in the house or as mistresses and were seen as the sexually attractive ones. it was less common for a dark complexioned slave to catch master's eye and earn the privileges that the sex slaves "earned" being master's favorite "toy". and unfortunately that brainwashing has strongly continued to this day. this is one of the reasons why we haven't been able to "get over" slavery. so many issues facing the black community today stem from slavery and discrimination. same with the good hair and bad hair thing. i would compare that to darkskin/lightskin because it's another way to discriminate and separate people and those with "good hair" have certain privileges like being more likely to find hair products and being seen as more desirable while kinky hair is "bad", nappy, and described as nigga hair. it's the kind of hair Caribbean parents (im Jamaican) dread having to do and is often described by older caribbean adults as "undone". it's always "when are you gonna perm that nappy head" and "comb that slave hair". We've let racist white views dictate how we see, feel, and interact with each other for too long. We need to take the confidence back. We need to start acknowledging that these prejudices and dividing factors still exist, and open the dialogue with each other and our children. there should be no more goodhair/badhair, teamlightskin/teambrownskin/teamdarkskin. it should be Team Black United and eventually it shouldn't really even matter what race. I'm sick of seeing that we've been torn down so much we're now doing it to ourselves and our brothers and sisters. U can be light skinned or like rock music and you are still black enough. You can be dark skinned with very kinky hair and you are beautiful. Let's pls stop the fighting and support each other as Blacks and Women/Men. As People.
I feel like dark skin girls are at a disadvantage because many cultures associate beauty or status with lighter skin. My light skin aunt made fun of me when I got tanned and said most dark skin people are ghetto and light skin people have more class and tried to lighten my cousin's skin.
Amazing. You guys have to make this longer and answer more questions from each other and the audience. This was great.
+Calm Remote Page Yea another video would be great, this is a topic we could talk about all day
This is a very interesting topic that Black people have ignored for so long. I'm glad its being addressed, it should be addressed. Thanks to both ladies for being respectful, intelligent and brave enough to bring this problem to the light so it can be resolved...To REALLY know where "dark skin vs light skin" originated from, please read Breaking the Curse of willie lynch by Alvin Morrow!!!! It also is has the answers to reverse a lot of issues that occur in the Black community and why other nationalities feel the way they feel about Black people. Life changing book.....
so informative!! love conversations like these!
wow! powerful conversation . i enjoyed this ladies :)
I'm confused if i'm dark skin or not, my cousin said i'm dark skin, my big brother said i'm just regular brown, and my ex said that I'm light skin in the day.
First things first...Shannon is absolutely beautiful. I've always(since i was a little boy) wondered why so many people couldn't recognize the beauty if brown and dark-skinned girls/women. I got older and understood the origins of things but i still, often, can't understand when people(especially other brothas) can't see the beauty of black women.
The problem we had with Rachel Dolezal isn't that she identified with black women/people, it's that she lied and said she WAS a black woman. In other words, she lied. If she had been honest and said she was white but had a connection with black people and culture, then it would have been fine. Iggy is different in that she is white and recognizably so. There's no deception in that area. We know what we're dealing with which is a white woman profiting from black culture. She was deceptive in other ways .
Interior feelings attracts exterior responses Absolute truth!
I’m so glad I found this channel!!! Thank you Shan!!!!
light skinned people get called names to, Ive heard high yellow, pissy yellow, light bright, glow worm, half breed those names are not cool to be called, and ive been called those names at some point in my life, but at some point u have to get a thick skin and realize hurt people hurt people
Dreadfully Blessed right I've never got accepted in a black schools
Marissa Fish Fr they be calling me white I hate that
Thank you for having this discussion!
I like the videos. I used to feel like a lot of black males did not like how black women's hair was, like the kind that's like an Afro or course. When people used to say "nappy headed" or something like that, I used to get mad because that's how my hair was, not nappy but puffy. It seems like it's gotten better with more people wearing their hair natural, not that weaves or anything else is bad, because in fact, it can be used to protect hair. Sometimes though, people act like just because hair isn't straight or braided that it isn't done or groomed. Anyway, love yourself because as other peoples' standards change, you would have wanted to be yourself all along because it's too complicated to be someone else. Plus, nowadays black males are wearing their hair, not that they ever stopped but it may not have been considered cute back then, I guess idk
we are all beautiful. To all the beautiful ladies in different shades of color.
I'm a Latina/Hispanic (Dominican) woman. I am considered a light skin girl in the African American community, yet I'm "morena" dark skin in my Dominican culture.
SBALBUENA what's your point?
One on the left is gorgeous. Some people look ugly regardless of skin complexion.
The light skin one is gorgeous too with really pretty eyes though
BOTH [are] 2 beautiful women but I must admit my eyes repeatly, kept looking towards the dark hue black woman.
I don't know- maybe because its a new palette of beauty so gone unnoticed for SO very long; that when one actually look at the two, it's like..hey, ...wait ..a minute...this dark skin woman is gorgeous to. perhapes the case being is that-
when one is constantly with something shaved in their face, can start to see things really different; as in the case of lighter skin being better; than dark skin.
as said, they both are attractive women however, when I look at the darker skin, it literally open my eyes to seeing even more beauty;
simply because the darker woman's beauty has ALWAYS been HIDDEN; whereas the lighter skin woman's beauty gets SHOVED in ones face; always
it's more like if one is [always] given *minced pie, because *blueberriy pies were always hidden- placed in hide out, one finally starts to pay attention to [forever hidden] *blueberry pie; when it's presented.
that's just my take; just [my] perpective.
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