Y’all did a terrible job choosing true light skin people. They are mostly brown skin & we do not have the same experiences that high yellow light skin people have..
@kena6984 Yes, I really thought it was going to be females who represent different versions of dark and light skin. Then they would have done a male version as a part 2.
100%. Dark skin is seen as a masculine trait. That’s inherently beneficial to black men. Black women, due to Eurocentric beauty standards, can be labelled as angry, aggressive, mean- when really they’re upset, passionate, headstrong. Even positive labels like strong or independent can be to their detriment. Look at how black women are less likely to be helped in a public emergency, or believed to be in pain by a doctor.
Orange shirt said he is no longer colorist and continued to over compensate that by giving corny compliments BUT when 1 of the dark skin women attempted to express how she and most Dark skin Black women dont benefit from colorism he immediately went in to defend Black mens perceived privilege and over talk her 😒 He is absolutely still colorist
don’t think that count as colorist… but yea i picked up on that too and it’s definitely weird lowk sexist for mocking her, saying black women dont suffer more from colorism when she’s giving statistics not opinions but i might be reaching idk
@@asapluvrmonique3961 it actually does fall under colorism as he sees her as less than due not only her sex but her skin tone which is why he felt so emboldened to over step
So, FYI dark skinned people also get acne and pimples. We don't need the extra pressure to have perfect skin on top of being shamed for being dark skinned.
I wish there would be a more specific debate like light skinned black women vs dark skinned black women or light skinned black men vs dark skinned black men. Because the experience of colorism is very different depending on the gender.
Yes lightskin black men are treated like feminine pretty boys and black women think men look better dark…meanwhile the men they prefer usually think women look better lighter
Yess 🤣😭! He overcompensated a bit tooo much with his “compliments”. Kinda like those white people who overcompensate too much to show you they’re not racist lmao
Black men like Orange Shirt will say all that “Black is beautiful” stuff and in the same breath exclusively only date non-Black and light skinned Black women. Something about him seems performative
Girl in stripy pants in ON FIRE with her points and communication skills - I do not know what her academic background is but she reminds me of some of the best PhDs I have worked with in the social sciences. Pragmatic, emotionally intelligent and highly specific in her choice of words and expressions + challenges people when they put words in her mouth.
i don’t understand why people say that jubilee is pushing boundaries.. they’re discussing valid topics that DONT get discussed often and yes it may raise an eyebrow but im more than glad that they’re open with it because too many channels censor stuff, people need to stop being so sensitive damn .
*Some whiny people are too pee wee brained on the internet these days because they prefer not to embrace these discussions that never get discussed often.*
I understand what you’re saying, and fully agree with you on everything except the last part. A lot of their titles seem to be for rage bait, and people usually end up not even having a useful discussion and act immature so people engage with the video more. I think this video is a lot better than their other middle ground videos though.
Charles X makes me uncomfortable with these skin comment he frequently makes towards the dark skinned ladies. It feels like he's overcompensating. It's so cringe.
That's definitely something I've experienced as a dark-skin woman. I haven't finished the video yet so idk if they touch on this...but as a dark skinned woman I feel like I'm always either looked over for fetished. There's little in between
Texturism is so so real and so under discussed. I’m light skin but have 4C hair and I swearrrrr ppl get so confused (mainly cause they think I’m bi-racial) always gets confused as to how my hair is 4C. I think it’s cause they assume I’m bi-racial due to my skin and I benefit from colorism in that aspect, but then I find a disservice when I wear my hair out because it’s almost like it re-enforces that I am in fact, black…then I get treated either 2 ways: I either get weird comments like “oh go black queen”, or like “ugh your hair is just so big but it’s so pretty” or I get just completely side-eyed and ignored till I change my hair again. So happy Chrys brought that up cause it’s def real
Or Americans who speak the language of their heritage (Spanish) as an example vs. the ones whose parents are Spanish speakers but didn’t teach their kids to speak it. That would be interesting.
I see a lot of people in the comments talking about how beautiful Hanna is, dark skin smooth and glistening, etc. She is, for sure, but more that that, I love how eloquent and intelligent she is. You can tell shes been thru a lot but she's put in the work and anyone blessed to be in her periphery will benefit from that.
thank you for saying this, as a dark skin it can be jarring seeing everyone go from one far extreme to another . Compliments are nice but it still continues the idea that all people see when they look at us is unique dark skin. And sometimes it feels like pity tbh, like "oh im gonna compliment you bc you probably dont get them often" , which sucks. I just want to be seen as a regular human and treated as one too, I bet other dark skin girls can relate.
She's a "special one" in general. Watches baddies, admitted she would regularly come to work late for two years straight. So I'm not surprised. So glad to see more black women in general embrace wearing natural hair. Been seeing it more in recent years.
The woman with locs is a QUEEN. Absolutely beautiful and intelligent. I really enjoyed every time she spoke ❤️ I would love to see more of her in interviews or podcasts.
Charles gives major ick. Dark skin and light skin are beautiful but he makes it weird by overcompensating and almost fetishizing dark skin women as the "prototype". And he said their skin is always perfect and never gets pimples?? Huh?? Hopefully he continues to grow in his journey
the no pimples comment was definitely something WEIRD LOOOL. it's like he was desperately scrambling for something positive to say about dark skinned people.
@ExoticalsRevenge-b8v he's overcompensating for a lack of attraction for himself. I believe that he is trying to condition himself to love himself by overdoing the compliments and research. Ultimately, thats why these type of discussions are important. Some people can relate to him and some people can observe, so that we can be more empathetic to people who have experiences like his. He was a little awkward but he is a representation of many white standard oppressed people finding their light again.
Actually he said there’s a particular type pf dark skin, the really dark skin like the girl from senegal, that never gets pimples. Also, as the first peoples dark skinned people are the prototype. Yall seem triggered by someone having a positive view of dark skin. Weird
He was so annoying/extra and his sassy veil was lifted the longer he spoke. The lady with the locs was irritating his “I Feeeel” demons with her facts and intelligence❤
to me it just seemed like he’s been waiting so long to have conversations like this. idky everyone keeps saying he’s “weird” i get the same way when talking about something i’m passionate about. Though for orange shirt guy, he kept forgetting everyone’s experience is different and thats why red shirt and the lady with locs, had to check him a bit.
I think it depends on where you live. I never heard any of the kids at my elementary school get picked on for their skin complexion. Bullying at my school was mostly for being overweight. This could possibly be because my school was highly diverse. Some of the darker skin children there were South Asian,not black at all and colorism is most often within a race. Meanwhile I have a white friend with biracial children in an almost entirely white elementary school being told their skin looks like doo doo. Then I know some dark skin people who went to predominantly white schools who had a totally different experience.
@ It wasn't really a "bully" thing. I personally didn't get bullied, but i've heard from a lot of people who have. It was moreso jokes and jokes disguised, by other black-lightskin people & not directly to me, and my school was mostly black. And maybe even that could've turned into a form of bullying for others. Kids gonna be kids. But i'm glad to hear that you didn't have to experience that. I guess like you said it's different everywhere.
I'm white and when I was in elementary school I didn't understand the concept of race to be honest. I just saw a bunch of kids that looked different. I feel like that uncomfortability about racism was taught to me later on.
Same. I’m Irish-fully-and although I have fair features, I have curly hair and full lips. Ironically, I was unaware of race until a group of four dark-skinned black girls began bullying me out of nowhere on the assumption that I was mixed-race. I was called racial slurs I didn’t understand until I repeated them to my parents. Before then, I didn’t have ‘black friends’ or ‘white friends’. I had friends. @avidier7347
Insufferable is the best way to put it! I think I would have said something to him. It’s like he forgot he was in a SHARED space, engaging in dialogue bc he definitely listens to hear himself vs others… woof!😕
My sista in the white shirt wit the dreads/locs, she is so well spoken !! She was speaking straight facts !! I love that yall had this important conversation. I personally experience colorism all the time and even when I was younger . It's mentally draining !!
@@Lala-eo4eq doing my part in destroying colorism. Even if it is a real thing to yall, it does not stop you from achieving your goals or chasing dreams. So y even VALIDATE something that only exists in your mind?
Judging from your profile pic (if that’s even you) congrats to you for not experiencing colorism and being brown skinned. I hope that continues cuz if you did personally or at least paid attention to what’s going on around you, you’d know it’s a systemic issue. Hope that helps.
@@Geminicricketiit might not stop you for achieving your dreams or goals but it’s still a thing, It’s common knowledge that dark skinned people have to work 10x harder to be accepted and be successful than someone with lighter skin
Dude in the orange needs serious therapy and learn how to control his emotions so he can articulate his views in a effective way. Everything is not an attack.
@@hearts4_princessabsolutely….thats why I commented my opinion…people get defensive when they feel attacked. It’s not a “mean” statement. It’s what I’ve observed.
Orange shirt annoyed me throughout the whole video. In 40:56 when the guy was talking about his experience of being stopped by the police and almost put into cuffs, orange shirt literally interrupted him to say “well you were almost put in cuffs but I WAS put in cuffs. It’s like every time someone was comfortable to share an experience, the guy in the video needed to counter it with a weird compliment or make it like an oppression race where “this almost happened to you but it did to me”.
A moment where orange shirt guy basically confirmed in real time the point that the light-skinned guy in purple scrubs was making about sometimes not having a place in the community.
@@CLOYO Disingenous trolling comment. You know that everyone upvoting this saw what OP is talking about: orange shirt guy was engaging in oneupmanship and not trying to relate "on a deeper level".
Orange shirt seems performative and talks over the girls. The dark skin girl with the locs was ON POINT, and the light skin girl with curly hair was on point too.
The guy is orange is annoying. I hate people who throw out over the top compliments in these conversations because it takes away from the seriousness of the conversation. Very performative
he's giving toxic masculinity hidden under a ''nice guy'' act. The way he was shutting down the dark-skinned black women... WHEN SHE WAS SPEAKING FAAACTS !!
Charles also said dark skin people don’t get burned in the sun and that’s not true at all! The sun burns all human skin! darker skin doesn’t hold more sun prone properties. If it did then how would it benefit dark skin? It would have no effect at all. The sun gives us all vitamin D, as human beings. The sun was made for us all UVB rays help every human produce vitamin D. Dude was trying to sound smart & was just sounding very obsessive over darker skin.
Ig I wasn’t paying attention cause I was cleaning but when I read what people where saying about the orange shirt guy and got to 38 mins I was like mmmmm I see what yall talking about. He just kept throwing it out there
I was just watching this show on freevee about people in the Phillipines and how they were using all of these skin creams, pills and iv treatments to get lighter. I didn't see all of the show though. It was really sad.
despite everything, this was the first middle ground in a while that was calm, everyone was well spoken and nobody attacked anyone's character. a breath of fresh air, more of these please and thank you
I'm just baffled they said light-skin people don't experience colorism. Like, WHAT?! How would you know, you aren't even light-skinned! There's so much prejudice I experienced about being light-skinned, it's ridiculous. Not only is it used as a mean of questioning my intelligence, but also my validity as a black person. "We experience prejudice based on our color, but it's not colorism." WHAT?!?!??!??!?!??!
@@morningivyThe definition of colorism is “prejudice or discrimination against individuals with a dark skin tone, typically among people of the same ethnic or racial group”. Some definitions include the preferential treatment of light skin. Ism is a noun that refers to an ideology, oppressive system, or a belief. In other words, colorism isn’t an oppressive system toward light skin people. Colorism isn’t the belief that light skin is below dark skin. All is true in reverse. Looking at history and present day colorism is an oppressive system toward darker skin. It is the belief that darker skin is below light skin. It is the belief that light skin is deserving of preferential treatment. And we see it play out in society in many different ways. This isn’t to say that light skin people don’t face their own issues because they do.
@@KayTalkNYC To me, colorism is just prejudice based on color, which anyone can experience. There's even colorism in the white community with eye color and hair color. "Discrimination based on skin tone, also known as colorism or shadeism, is a form of prejudice and discrimination in which people of certain ethnic groups, or people who are perceived as belonging to a different-skinned racial group, are treated differently based on their different skin tone."
The people in the comments saying “such and such aren’t light skin, they’re brown skin” missed the entire point of the video EDIT: Let me add on to this. There are NO objective benchmarks for y’all to be trying to classify who is & isn’t light skin and because of that there will be a lot of overlap. The darkest shades of light skin and the lightest shades of brown skin are often one and the same. Yall also have to think about tanning. The people yall are saying arent light enough to be light skin could be pale as snow during the winter. Point is, there’s way too many factors to consider for yall to be this confident in trying to classify who is and isn’t light skin.
I think he has unaddressed issues of misogynoir. He has issues with darker skinned Black women and he didn't seem to like that the woman with the locs was more intelligent than him
Ngl i know he means well but charles x comes off as extra. He can't just share an anecdote about his dark-skinned sister, he has to go over the top about stating how amazing it is?
Orange shirt guy is so weird how he keeps saying things like “the sun was made for you Hanna”…like wtf 😭 Edit: Being weirded out and offended are two totally different things…a lot of you missed comprehension in your language arts classes 🥴
Lol I don’t think it’s weird. He’s pouring into her bc he knows that’s not a common thing for ppl who are of a darker complexion. Kinda what Chrys said earlier in the conversation about her mother complimenting her all the time because she knew the world would not. If you get what I mean.
I really enjoy the way Chrys articulates her points. She’s very eloquent and regal, in the way she presents herself. The heavier set light skin woman, I enjoyed her points as well. This was a really great videos to hear these strangers perspective on such a deliberating issue in our community.
The guy in the orange shirt seems like he has a spouse that is non-black and for him to be black he wants to get approval from Black people, whether their light skin or dark skin
Light skin men have VERY diff experiences with their complexion than light skin women do - just like dark skin men compared to dark skin women. Also find it interesting one of the lighter women is plus size because that removes her a bit from the beauty standard when people think of a lighter skin woman.
I agree with you but I would also add the reason why "light skinned" men aren't a preference anymore to black women because it started to become a problem. In the 90s light skinned men were extremely sought after and every woman wanted one. But black women decided to change the narrative and uplift dark skinned men. It's just sad that black men can't do the same for dark skinned women.
I agree. The light skinned plus size women is not the beauty standard (even tho she is beautiful). I also notice a lot of ppl keep saying she’s “brown skinned” or not light skinned and I think its because she is not what they think of when they think of light skin
The guy in the orange shirt was very exclusive. He made sure he gave praise to the darker skinned women but kind of brushed off the lighter skinned people. He probably didn’t even know how passive he was being
@@klz95002:45 he did say that the dark skinned people are the prototype aka the original. He seems very dismissive to the light skinned people and experience , which counteract what he said about himself not being colourist
@@OddsandSodsbyOkky dude is kinda corny but he was speaking facts tho dark skin is the prototype lol don't be mad because what he said is the truth you'll be ok you light brights still benefit from colorism so..
Really enjoyed this video. Colourism is a real thing, even in africa (Southern Africa) some guys will blantky admit that they prefer lighter skinned woman and the lighter the better. Your shade of black directly contributes to how beautiful you are considered to be 💔 and i think that's why most girls end up bleaching for male validation
Too many of y’all refuse to understand that there are levels to complexion. Just because they aren’t the same complexion as Ice Spice, doesn’t mean they aren’t light skinned.
Must be a U.S. regional trait bc in my cipher, both Sabrina and Joseph would _NOT_ be considered light-skinned. It’s their call, of course, if they want to label themselves that _BUT_ they should *not* be upset if other black folks don’t see them as fair complected.
They're all roughly the same color as my light skinned mom. She gets mistaken for Mexican when she travels sometimes and I'm sure these guys have had it happen to them.
@@gabrielmcdonnell8699who told you lightskinned only means fair complected????? Lightskinned is a ligthskinned color. Brownskinned makes no sense. Y'all call the lighter darkskins brown and the darker lightskins brown, but if you put both beside each other you will clearly see the difference.
@@terrianwilliams2624By no stretch of the imagination was I trying to be dogmatic with my original post. I simply pointed out that within the culture, this light-skinned criteria might be regional. _I_ don’t consider Joseph (burgundy hoodie) light-skinned but it’s not my place nor is it anyone else’s to prevent him from claiming to be of fair complexion. That said, I’ll reiterate: Joseph and Sabrina should *NOT* be upset if some black ppl don’t see them as light-skinned. For example, put Joseph next to Steph Curry and poll black folks asking them “who is light-skinned, Joseph or Steph Curry?”
@@gabrielmcdonnell8699It's kinda sounding like they're offended on these people behalf that they're not considered lightskin. Notice how the actual two light skins in the room acknowledged their privileges and weren't oblivious? Sabrina and Jordan are comparing themselves to their darker skin family members.
Colorism is a problem Worldwide. Even in Asian countries. It’s an important conversation but it’s not exclusive to the Black Community. Edit: This is just me eluding to the fact that there’s an opportunity to broaden this conversation, rightfully so.
Facts! Come to Manila and you’ll see skin lightening creams in every drugstore. You’ll even see billboards and commercials for these creams! And this colorist view is rampant in other Asian countries as well. Sad that in 2024 this crap is still going on.
GHANA doesn't much of an issue with colourism as it's in the Western Part of the continent. The issue of colourism seems to come up moreso in the Carribbean (with bleaching) and in the Latin countries. It could be a challenge exacerbated as the diaspora is psychologically reeling from rejection by the white population they're in proximity to. This is not a big issue in Ghana.
i’m african and almost all of my aunties have used some type of bleaching product, same goes for almost all of the women i met that are of the same ethnicity as me and if you go to any african shop (most especially a west african one), i guarantee you that there will most likely be some type of skin whitening cream.
They are light brown or caramel, making them part of the light-skinned spectrum. Some might consider them lighter-skinned depending on the environment. In contrast, the truly darker-skinned individuals would still be classified as dark-skinned, regardless of their surroundings.
My family used to tell me “The blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice” and I heard it so much that it definitely helped me fight external colorist forces.
@@whatoh3407 I'm light-skinned and I've heared that quote a lot. That quote is meant to uplift people with darker complexion. There's no reason to turn it into an insult. If it doesn't apply to you then don't put yourself in it.
@@des_elise While it's intended as a positive affirmation for people with dark skin, it's possible for some to interpret it as excluding or diminishing those with lighter skin tones. Inclusivity and sensitivity to different experiences and feelings are important when discussing topics related to race and appearance. Celebrating diversity means recognizing and valuing all shades and tones, ensuring that no one feels diminished or excluded. It's important to acknowledge and respect how phrases affect different individuals. Do you understand that language and expression can have different impacts on people depending on their personal experiences and perspectives?
@@whatoh3407That's the thing though, that isn't the only uplifting quote about skin tone. There are others depending on what skin tone you have. There's nothing wrong with celebrating differences.
I love how Chrys ate up that guy in the orange with sheer facts because he reali was tryna overstep her point & go on like what she said wasn't valid when it was. He seems very self absorbed and like she said just because you haven't experienced something doesnt mean it doesnt happen - data supports that. She articulated herself so well & tbh that guy in orange gives weird & like he's fighting internal issues with himself still.
I love Chrys!!! I love everything she said. I wanted to say that dark skinned Black men do benefit from colorism in social settings because dark skin is perceived as masculine. As men, that benefits them, but that is a disadvantage to dark skin black women because women want to be viewed as feminine
The standard of beauty is often centred around the idea that "white is better" across various cultures. However, there seems to be a growing trend of emulating black features with surgery and fillers. Maybe the future is better for black people? LOL
@@riza361 in a black and white world that would make sense but in our reality that wouldn't be a better future. society only accepts the emulation of our features on white/lighter skin but not when they're born with dark bodies. Even so, the fact that our features had to be popularized and "trending" by non-black people in order to be respected or seen as valid is a problem within itself.
This is true. My family is from Nigeria. We are Igbo people. My mom, sister, both aunts and several cousins are very light skin despite no European or Asian ancestry. If you have Nigerian ancestry (specifically Igbo), your chances of having a light skin child is very high because it's a common trait. You see it a lot with African Americans of Nigerian ancestry.
@@anncokaforwhat’s really funny in my family is that there is 6 of us and we are split down the middle lightskin darkskin. Me my brother and mum are lightskin, my dad, sister and other brother are darkskin. My mums Igbo and dads Yoruba
Eurgh yeah, like that’s your CHILD - the SEED is what is used to fertilise the egg, so it’s weird to talk about a living human child as just being “your seed”.
I am a result of that. My grandparents are dark and my parents. The San tribe in Africa is light skinned with DNA markers that go back 200,000 years. They are not light-skinned because they are mixed.
@@Stopthecäqit’s okay to feeling bad hearing a comment like that even if it’s coming from a kid. acting like if there’s not grown people that would say something similar at their big age. let’s not invalidate other peoples feelings.
She's not. She's past her prime and she's an admitted feminist who would rather disappear from the earth when she passes than leave better versions of herself to move forward. Overall, she's not wife-material. That's her choice, but that's the facts.
That’s not obvious at all. The sun wasn’t made for a specific color of human. The sun wasn’t made for humans at all. The sun made humans, but it wasn’t made for us. Especially not just one subsection of us.
Lightskin women, and darkskin men recieve social privileges by being promoted on screen, in their respective ways. They often dismiss their counterparts experience.
@@imetwurld-ey9sx Do you have any examples of lightskin men promoted as strong masculine or powerful leaders? Lightskin is sold to the masses as soft, feminine and emotional.
i agree, at the same time tho like the guy in the orange said, not all social privileges are really privileges when you take into consideration how they're being portrayed (usually being hypersexualized, hypermasculinized, aggressive)
Another thing too is that no matter what shade of black you are theres ALWAYS someone lighter or darker than you. Ive had ppl call me dark skin and light skin
Now do: -East Asians vs south Asians -Afro latinx vs white Latinx vs indigenous latinx -Dark skinned Indians vs light skinned Indians Because the conversations are fairly similar 👀
Something interesting is that the person asking questions sounds very Indian and they are known for being extremely colorist and classist. I wonder what her thoughts on some of these questions would be.
Yes, I am from India and definitely you would find a lot of people from India who are colorist and classist but that is not the story of the entire country. India is a huge country with so much diversity in it. If you move a few miles away you'll find a whole different culture. We have something called "British hangover". After almost 200 years of British rule, we definitely did pick up a lot of discrimination and are still facing the impacts.
Chrys and Cailen brought facts and weren't going off just their feelings alone. They made this conversation worth listening too. 10 out of 10! I'd love to see this conversation through difference ethnic groups, colorism is prevalent in every racial group, it would be interesting to see this convo from different perspectives
@@pam-t1n I do agree, Tyler didn't say much but when he did he was speaking facts. Kwame (Hanna as well) gave a new perspective, especially on the "Diaspora" issues so prevalent in the community.
@@hwfq34fajw9foiffawdiufhuaiwfhw I think if it was different races it would be a different conversation altogether - the dynamics among people of the same race are different.
I think you’re focusing too much on their appearance rather than their experience. If you don’t have the experience of being called and treated as lightskinned, you’re probably not. Reality is, cameras aren’t perfect, these people could look slightly lighter or darker in person.
@@Hawtestyf Exactly what I thought when they brought up light-skinned biracial people in the industry. That further expresses anti-Black sentiments in entertainment for that to be the predominant representation for monoracial Black women
I’m a dark skinned women growing up I always got called names about my complexion by my own black people which I felt was strange and sad really. Never had a person from another race comment on my skin tone just other black people.
Thats crazy. I had a friend in middle school who was bullied harshly for his dark skin tone. The school majority was black. It still happened in HS. We both went to a high school where black was the minority. It still happened... but behind his back.
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Jubilee please make a video on the Transracial and RCTA community
@@jubilee this is garbage
Y’all did a terrible job choosing true light skin people. They are mostly brown skin & we do not have the same experiences that high yellow light skin people have..
Let’s be real though..a dark skin man’s experience is different from a dark skinned woman’s experience
@kena6984 Yes, I really thought it was going to be females who represent different versions of dark and light skin. Then they would have done a male version as a part 2.
Very
100%. Dark skin is seen as a masculine trait. That’s inherently beneficial to black men. Black women, due to Eurocentric beauty standards, can be labelled as angry, aggressive, mean- when really they’re upset, passionate, headstrong. Even positive labels like strong or independent can be to their detriment. Look at how black women are less likely to be helped in a public emergency, or believed to be in pain by a doctor.
yeah but they have one thing in common... they both been oppressed 💔
Facts 💯
The woman with the locs articulates her thoughts very well
Yeah I think I love her.
Super proud of her
Love her ❤
Loved her
Yeah I found her on ig months ago and I clicked this video bc I saw her in the thumbnail!
Orange shirt said he is no longer colorist and continued to over compensate that by giving corny compliments BUT when 1 of the dark skin women attempted to express how she and most Dark skin Black women dont benefit from colorism he immediately went in to defend Black mens perceived privilege and over talk her 😒 He is absolutely still colorist
Pay him no mind. He just wants, hotep or not, to be on camera. 🤦🏽♂️
Literally
don’t think that count as colorist… but yea i picked up on that too and it’s definitely weird lowk sexist for mocking her, saying black women dont suffer more from colorism when she’s giving statistics not opinions but i might be reaching idk
@@asapluvrmonique3961 it actually does fall under colorism as he sees her as less than due not only her sex but her skin tone which is why he felt so emboldened to over step
He really comes across as disingenuous the whole video to me 😒 even when he said he apologized to his sister when he needed her. Boy bye!
The dread head ladyyyy's vocabulary, train of thoughts and use of english is BEAUTIFULLLL
Placenta perm is a term I didn’t know I needed to hear 😂
why you said it like that?
So, FYI dark skinned people also get acne and pimples. We don't need the extra pressure to have perfect skin on top of being shamed for being dark skinned.
THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THIS
this part!
I didn't understand that. We all have flaws and blemishes to our skin and/or health. He's just haughty...
Exactly
It’s less likely and always diet related
The lady with the dreads is so refreshing !!
*locs ❤
@@dwise2165I was about to write this
@@dwise2165 it’s the same thing -from a jamaican
@@chrizzc1910”dreads” have a negative connotation and was was coined from the hairstyle being “dreaded” by white americans
@@KJ-tb8jz You mean like the N word and how we took power back from that word? Us saying dreads is completely fine!!!
I wish there would be a more specific debate like light skinned black women vs dark skinned black women or light skinned black men vs dark skinned black men. Because the experience of colorism is very different depending on the gender.
I agree!!
Yes that would be interesting.
Also different base on features A Beautiful Black light and dark is different from and average or below average person
THISSSSSS
Yes lightskin black men are treated like feminine pretty boys and black women think men look better dark…meanwhile the men they prefer usually think women look better lighter
Why are they treating the dark skinned girl like she’s an exotic animal, it’s so condescending
Because these females use the dark skin card too much.
I get that vibe too, but she is genuinely so gorgeous.
Veryy
Sadly, I think she will end up with a white dude. Unless she ends up with someone from her home country 🤷🏾♀️
EXACTLY😭its so weird
The orange shirt guy was acting like the hollywood stereotype of a white guy amongst black people hahah
THIS COMMENT NEEDS TO BE FURTHER UP
Black people are not a monolith. Why you have to label him as a white acting.
Yess 🤣😭! He overcompensated a bit tooo much with his “compliments”. Kinda like those white people who overcompensate too much to show you they’re not racist lmao
Exactly
omg hahaha
Black men like Orange Shirt will say all that “Black is beautiful” stuff and in the same breath exclusively only date non-Black and light skinned Black women.
Something about him seems performative
For Charles, this was an audition. The thirst is real.
If we say something positive we get bashed, if we say something negative we get bashed. I’m just going to start flagging these toxic black females.!
😂Gay alert
@@dnatest585 Ngl I thought the dude might’ve been gay as well 🥴
Swearrrrr
Girl in stripy pants in ON FIRE with her points and communication skills - I do not know what her academic background is but she reminds me of some of the best PhDs I have worked with in the social sciences. Pragmatic, emotionally intelligent and highly specific in her choice of words and expressions + challenges people when they put words in her mouth.
Absolutely agree
I follow her on TikTok and I feel like I’m in a class. She really teaches I hope to see her more.
@@ashpie22hey do u mind putting her @ below ?❤
Can you please tell me her username @@ashpie22
@@ashpie22 what's her TikTok?
CHRYSSSSSS is so well spoken and she said everything i was thinking
frrr
i don’t understand why people say that jubilee is pushing boundaries.. they’re discussing valid topics that DONT get discussed often and yes it may raise an eyebrow but im more than glad that they’re open with it because too many channels censor stuff, people need to stop being so sensitive damn .
They just hate a video being centered around black people
*Some whiny people are too pee wee brained on the internet these days because they prefer not to embrace these discussions that never get discussed often.*
Trus
I understand what you’re saying, and fully agree with you on everything except the last part. A lot of their titles seem to be for rage bait, and people usually end up not even having a useful discussion and act immature so people engage with the video more. I think this video is a lot better than their other middle ground videos though.
@@itsmeact369 however in this case, that didn’t happen🤷🏽♀️ the title was exactly how the conversation was and it was actually quite enlightening x
Charles X makes me uncomfortable with these skin comment he frequently makes towards the dark skinned ladies. It feels like he's overcompensating. It's so cringe.
Yup and this motherflower was auditioning for next season’s “Love Is Blind”.
That's definitely something I've experienced as a dark-skin woman. I haven't finished the video yet so idk if they touch on this...but as a dark skinned woman I feel like I'm always either looked over for fetished. There's little in between
Sometimes we read too much into things and make people who are really trying to be genuine villians.
that chef kiss was weird.
@@shana100mckday And sometimes ppl like Charles give a sufficient amount of reasons for others to formulate a negative opinion of them.
Dude in the orange shirt said he didn’t understand how colorism is more rampant in the black community yet he’s the one starting all the arguments??
Thank you! A straight damn clown!
The term "colorism" means from w/in the community, so I didn't even get his point.
Doesn't understand colorism but "you were almost put in cuffs bc I was actually put in cuffs"....
Also still in a way colorism but he's like "anyone I see as black as you perfect pure skin" soooo the light-skinned people don't have perfect skin?
Texturism is so so real and so under discussed. I’m light skin but have 4C hair and I swearrrrr ppl get so confused (mainly cause they think I’m bi-racial) always gets confused as to how my hair is 4C. I think it’s cause they assume I’m bi-racial due to my skin and I benefit from colorism in that aspect, but then I find a disservice when I wear my hair out because it’s almost like it re-enforces that I am in fact, black…then I get treated either 2 ways: I either get weird comments like “oh go black queen”, or like “ugh your hair is just so big but it’s so pretty” or I get just completely side-eyed and ignored till I change my hair again. So happy Chrys brought that up cause it’s def real
THIS!
Yes, the negative impact of texturism is underrated!
ʙᴜᴛ ʏᴏᴜ ʜᴀᴠᴇ ᴛᴏ ᴜɴᴅᴇʀsᴛᴀɴᴅ ᴛʜᴇ sᴀᴍᴇ ᴛʜɪɴɢ ᴡᴏᴜʟᴅ ʜᴀᴘᴘᴇɴ ɪғ ᴀ ᴡʜɪᴛᴇ ᴏʀ ᴀsɪᴀɴ ɢɪʀʟ ᴅɪᴅ ɪᴛ
Straight hair in the pfp.
@@TyroneLangam ʏᴏᴜ ᴄᴀɴ sᴛɪʟʟ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɪᴛs 4ᴄ
I would love to do this with White Latino vs Brown Latinos
Or Americans who speak the language of their heritage (Spanish) as an example vs. the ones whose parents are Spanish speakers but didn’t teach their kids to speak it. That would be interesting.
Yes me too
Yes!
I would like to see one with white/light skin Latinos vs Black Latinos
white latinos vs afro latinos/brown latinos
Orange shirt was my least favorite. Trying to argue someone down about their experience while making the same point about himself is weird
FACTS it legit drove me insane
Chrys did not come to play and i really appreciate that
She always had something to back up her statements & never invalidated someone's feelings while still stating facts
Chrys 👑
I love her. I’ve been following her on tik tok for a while now.
Chrys DON’T play and I love it
I love her. When I saw Chris and cailene in the thumbnail, I clicked so fast
Seeing the two darker ladies back there, when they were talking about "benefiting from colorism".
Damn ! Says it all.
ɴᴏʙᴏᴅʏ ʙᴇɴᴇғɪᴛs ғʀᴏᴍ ʀᴀᴄɪsᴍ ᴇxᴄᴇᴘᴛ ᴛʜᴇ ʙɪɢ ɢɪʀʟ
I see a lot of people in the comments talking about how beautiful Hanna is, dark skin smooth and glistening, etc. She is, for sure, but more that that, I love how eloquent and intelligent she is. You can tell shes been thru a lot but she's put in the work and anyone blessed to be in her periphery will benefit from that.
thank you for saying this, as a dark skin it can be jarring seeing everyone go from one far extreme to another . Compliments are nice but it still continues the idea that all people see when they look at us is unique dark skin. And sometimes it feels like pity tbh, like "oh im gonna compliment you bc you probably dont get them often" , which sucks. I just want to be seen as a regular human and treated as one too, I bet other dark skin girls can relate.
@@ruthierueliterally whenever it’s an attractive black woman they’re treated as unicorns it’s VERY condescending
Orange shirt is insufferable. He cuts everyone off like what he has to say is so much more important than everyone else.
Yet, he seems the most insecure about his blackness😖
It had to be the men in the group
teach me finance
He just said super odd things as well. “The sun was made for you” Huh?! He was doing too much.
damn he anooying af same with the big girl whos not even lightskin
"my niece says she wants straight hair and i'm like where is she getting that from" while wearing a straight hair wig is pretty ironic
The irony some of these people just wanna be validated or complimented on here let’s be real
💯
That part 😂
*"straight hair wig"*
She's a "special one" in general. Watches baddies, admitted she would regularly come to work late for two years straight. So I'm not surprised. So glad to see more black women in general embrace wearing natural hair. Been seeing it more in recent years.
The woman with locs is a QUEEN. Absolutely beautiful and intelligent. I really enjoyed every time she spoke ❤️ I would love to see more of her in interviews or podcasts.
Charles gives major ick. Dark skin and light skin are beautiful but he makes it weird by overcompensating and almost fetishizing dark skin women as the "prototype". And he said their skin is always perfect and never gets pimples?? Huh?? Hopefully he continues to grow in his journey
@ExoticalsRevenge-b8v this is exactly what it is.
the no pimples comment was definitely something WEIRD LOOOL. it's like he was desperately scrambling for something positive to say about dark skinned people.
@ExoticalsRevenge-b8v he's overcompensating for a lack of attraction for himself. I believe that he is trying to condition himself to love himself by overdoing the compliments and research. Ultimately, thats why these type of discussions are important. Some people can relate to him and some people can observe, so that we can be more empathetic to people who have experiences like his. He was a little awkward but he is a representation of many white standard oppressed people finding their light again.
Actually he said there’s a particular type pf dark skin, the really dark skin like the girl from senegal, that never gets pimples. Also, as the first peoples dark skinned people are the prototype. Yall seem triggered by someone having a positive view of dark skin. Weird
@@iysow2937 beautifully said. Compassion like this is needed!!!
Conversation was great except orange shirt guy was just too overwhelming 😭😭
He doesn't feel genuine , he's trying so hard to stand out , too performative
He trying to push an agenda
He was so annoying/extra and his sassy veil was lifted the longer he spoke. The lady with the locs was irritating his “I Feeeel” demons with her facts and intelligence❤
to me it just seemed like he’s been waiting so long to have conversations like this. idky everyone keeps saying he’s “weird” i get the same way when talking about something i’m passionate about. Though for orange shirt guy, he kept forgetting everyone’s experience is different and thats why red shirt and the lady with locs, had to check him a bit.
he was annoying bruh 😭
I saw a tweet that said "Being dark skin in elementary school is like being dark skin in 1925." And I never heard anything more true.
I think it depends on where you live. I never heard any of the kids at my elementary school get picked on for their skin complexion. Bullying at my school was mostly for being overweight. This could possibly be because my school was highly diverse. Some of the darker skin children there were South Asian,not black at all and colorism is most often within a race. Meanwhile I have a white friend with biracial children in an almost entirely white elementary school being told their skin looks like doo doo. Then I know some dark skin people who went to predominantly white schools who had a totally different experience.
@ It wasn't really a "bully" thing. I personally didn't get bullied, but i've heard from a lot of people who have. It was moreso jokes and jokes disguised, by other black-lightskin people & not directly to me, and my school was mostly black. And maybe even that could've turned into a form of bullying for others. Kids gonna be kids. But i'm glad to hear that you didn't have to experience that. I guess like you said it's different everywhere.
Facts
I'm white and when I was in elementary school I didn't understand the concept of race to be honest. I just saw a bunch of kids that looked different. I feel like that uncomfortability about racism was taught to me later on.
Same. I’m Irish-fully-and although I have fair features, I have curly hair and full lips. Ironically, I was unaware of race until a group of four dark-skinned black girls began bullying me out of nowhere on the assumption that I was mixed-race. I was called racial slurs I didn’t understand until I repeated them to my parents. Before then, I didn’t have ‘black friends’ or ‘white friends’. I had friends. @avidier7347
charles is INSUFFERABLE and PERFORMATIVE . you can smell it through the screen .
Insufferable is the best way to put it! I think I would have said something to him. It’s like he forgot he was in a SHARED space, engaging in dialogue bc he definitely listens to hear himself vs others… woof!😕
Lmbao
My sista in the white shirt wit the dreads/locs, she is so well spoken !! She was speaking straight facts !! I love that yall had this important conversation. I personally experience colorism all the time and even when I was younger . It's mentally draining !!
Poor you 🤦🏾♀️. Stop acting like it affects your well being.
@@Geminicricketi Are you okay? lol went out of your way to invalidate her for what.
@@Lala-eo4eq doing my part in destroying colorism. Even if it is a real thing to yall, it does not stop you from achieving your goals or chasing dreams. So y even VALIDATE something that only exists in your mind?
Judging from your profile pic (if that’s even you) congrats to you for not experiencing colorism and being brown skinned. I hope that continues cuz if you did personally or at least paid attention to what’s going on around you, you’d know it’s a systemic issue. Hope that helps.
@@Geminicricketiit might not stop you for achieving your dreams or goals but it’s still a thing, It’s common knowledge that dark skinned people have to work 10x harder to be accepted and be successful than someone with lighter skin
Dude in the orange needs serious therapy and learn how to control his emotions so he can articulate his views in a effective way. Everything is not an attack.
Thissssss... You read him 📖 like a book.
off topic, you are so gorgeous
…..unfortunately….a lot of “dark skin” people always feel attacked. Some of them are staying in the victim mindset.
@@sunkissed_potatoewhat does he being dark skinned have to do with anything that the main comment said?
@@hearts4_princessabsolutely….thats why I commented my opinion…people get defensive when they feel attacked. It’s not a “mean” statement. It’s what I’ve observed.
Orange shirt annoyed me throughout the whole video. In 40:56 when the guy was talking about his experience of being stopped by the police and almost put into cuffs, orange shirt literally interrupted him to say “well you were almost put in cuffs but I WAS put in cuffs. It’s like every time someone was comfortable to share an experience, the guy in the video needed to counter it with a weird compliment or make it like an oppression race where “this almost happened to you but it did to me”.
THANK YOU. I’ve been looking for someone to bring this up.
A moment where orange shirt guy basically confirmed in real time the point that the light-skinned guy in purple scrubs was making about sometimes not having a place in the community.
OMG yessss!!! He’s so annoying and have no sense of awareness
He probably was interested if it happened just like him so they could relate on a somewhat deeper level.. what's the problem with that?
@@CLOYO Disingenous trolling comment. You know that everyone upvoting this saw what OP is talking about: orange shirt guy was engaging in oneupmanship and not trying to relate "on a deeper level".
i’m so in love with the conversations in this video, perfection
I like the girl in the grey shirt !!she's honest admitting that light skin people are treated better.
yhhh
Lol treated by who?
treated "better" by whom? And what is better?
@@marie-francoiset9402 literally by everyone,even other black ppl.
@@marie-francoiset9402don't be gullible, treated better by society
Okay but why are we not talking about Hanna??? She’s so pretty and her complexion is so smooth!
Yeah she’s so cute ❤
Beautiful
i love that they were constantly showering her with nice words. not often for dark skins to hear it
whenever someone compliments a darkskin women its the same played response seems not genuine
My heart broke when she said she almost lightened her skin😢
The women Chrys with the locs sound highly educated 🥹🥳
Her tiktok is 🔥 ❤ Love her!!!
Because she is. like she knows her words and got class too. just like Hanna who is very soft spoken Love them two
She seemed angry all the time until someone told her that her hair is beautiful poor girl needs validation
Yep she so beautiful and highly educated
From a liberal perspective, yes.
But like she said, she's insufferable, and she knows it.
Orange shirt seems performative and talks over the girls. The dark skin girl with the locs was ON POINT, and the light skin girl with curly hair was on point too.
orange dude is unbelievably corny
He's too much
I got tired of the glazing
How?
@@jeffersonhassan4558if you cant see it u probably relate to him hehe
@@angel_ethereal he literally said it about himself too so nice try
Chrys has the range and the knowledge to really dive deep into this topic. I loved her commentary.
Guy in orange didn’t wanna be associated with dark skin 🤣
He looks like he bleaches 😭
😂😂😂he was distancing himself, then appointed himself as an in-between representative for "brown skins"
@@nimokariuki6069 and you know it lol
😂😂😂😂
and the big girl i doubt she benefits from lightskin priviledge
YESSS CAILEN we needed her here
The guy is orange is annoying.
I hate people who throw out over the top compliments in these conversations because it takes away from the seriousness of the conversation.
Very performative
It also almost sounds like fetishizing
he's giving toxic masculinity hidden under a ''nice guy'' act. The way he was shutting down the dark-skinned black women... WHEN SHE WAS SPEAKING FAAACTS !!
Charles also said dark skin people don’t get burned in the sun and that’s not true at all! The sun burns all human skin! darker skin doesn’t hold more sun prone properties. If it did then how would it benefit dark skin? It would have no effect at all. The sun gives us all vitamin D, as human beings. The sun was made for us all UVB rays help every human produce vitamin D. Dude was trying to sound smart & was just sounding very obsessive over darker skin.
@@MayMayboris when was that, when he said colorism must be addressed by black people themselves instead of crying about white supremacy once again?
Ig I wasn’t paying attention cause I was cleaning but when I read what people where saying about the orange shirt guy and got to 38 mins I was like mmmmm I see what yall talking about. He just kept throwing it out there
Colourism is a big issue everywhere. Even in Africa light skin people are being treated better than others and it seen as beauty which is sad
One of the guys is from Ghana
But the guy from Ghana, said it wasn't colorism in Aftica...only in the U.S.
I was just watching this show on freevee about people in the Phillipines and how they were using all of these skin creams, pills and iv treatments to get lighter. I didn't see all of the show though. It was really sad.
It goes the other way as well. Many light skin people are viewed as less than or they 'don't belong'.
In Africa it's not as bad as in America.
despite everything, this was the first middle ground in a while that was calm, everyone was well spoken and nobody attacked anyone's character. a breath of fresh air, more of these please and thank you
No lie. Senegalese girl skin is beautiful. Flawless.
Dude in the orange shirt was odd 💀 being mad uncomfortable with the dark skinned people
Seems like the type to call himself a "creative" just based on the way he was speaking in this video.
I'm just baffled they said light-skin people don't experience colorism. Like, WHAT?! How would you know, you aren't even light-skinned! There's so much prejudice I experienced about being light-skinned, it's ridiculous. Not only is it used as a mean of questioning my intelligence, but also my validity as a black person. "We experience prejudice based on our color, but it's not colorism." WHAT?!?!??!??!?!??!
@@morningivyThe definition of colorism is “prejudice or discrimination against individuals with a dark skin tone, typically among people of the same ethnic or racial group”. Some definitions include the preferential treatment of light skin.
Ism is a noun that refers to an ideology, oppressive system, or a belief. In other words, colorism isn’t an oppressive system toward light skin people. Colorism isn’t the belief that light skin is below dark skin. All is true in reverse.
Looking at history and present day colorism is an oppressive system toward darker skin. It is the belief that darker skin is below light skin. It is the belief that light skin is deserving of preferential treatment. And we see it play out in society in many different ways.
This isn’t to say that light skin people don’t face their own issues because they do.
@@KayTalkNYCit ain’t that deep ngl
@@KayTalkNYC To me, colorism is just prejudice based on color, which anyone can experience. There's even colorism in the white community with eye color and hair color. "Discrimination based on skin tone, also known as colorism or shadeism, is a form of prejudice and discrimination in which people of certain ethnic groups, or people who are perceived as belonging to a different-skinned racial group, are treated differently based on their different skin tone."
The people in the comments saying “such and such aren’t light skin, they’re brown skin” missed the entire point of the video
EDIT: Let me add on to this. There are NO objective benchmarks for y’all to be trying to classify who is & isn’t light skin and because of that there will be a lot of overlap. The darkest shades of light skin and the lightest shades of brown skin are often one and the same. Yall also have to think about tanning. The people yall are saying arent light enough to be light skin could be pale as snow during the winter. Point is, there’s way too many factors to consider for yall to be this confident in trying to classify who is and isn’t light skin.
I agree!!! I think those ppl are trying to invalidate the discussion
Exactly!! They're completely ignoring the discussion because they're so focused on that
@@moniquecash let’s be real…if you wanna have a convo the people representing should be accurate.
@@100Stratusfiedx But they are accurate. Again all this is relative. There is no one objectivw tone to start classifying light skin
Not really because a brown skin person is not going to have enough
"Liteskin" experience to bring to the conversation
Charles made it awkward, and I'm glad Chrys was there to maintain and restore balance and SENSE! 💚
Hmmm
The dark skin girl voice is so gentle and soft i wish i talk like her😭😭
you can, its alot of work but changing the way you speak is doable
@@fierybl4de400 yeah but like people's voices have something to do with their personality and am too loud to be that feminine 😭
Im loud amd feminine trusttt its possible @yoursnatchedwig2856
i love cailen & chrys, i didn’t think i’d ever see them on a jubilee episode 😭
Hehehehehe I love u too !
@@caileneasely ahhhh 😭🫶🏽!!!
Same I love them both!
@@caileneaselyI know y’all were clockin Charles’ self-hating self 😭
Do you know there socials medias ?
Idris Alba, Chadwick Boseman, Daniel Kaluuya, John David Washington all get positive representation tf is he talking about
Denzel Washington, Morgan Freeman, Don Cheadle, Forest Whitaker, Sidney Poitier, Wesley Snipes, etc , etc, etc I mean come on
I didn't understand his point here, it's much easier to name positive black male representation compared to positive black female representation.
Certain black men like to compete with us rather than acknowledge and uplift us in our struggle. They emasculate themselves when they do this.
John Boyega too
@@CalliemariieEXACTLY!!!
i live for chrys eating charles x up😭😭😭 he’s doing way too much to overcompensate for his past colourism
Is that what it is? Did he almost get cancelled or something?
I think he has unaddressed issues of misogynoir. He has issues with darker skinned Black women and he didn't seem to like that the woman with the locs was more intelligent than him
@@SaintJawnhe explained it in the vid, said he used to tease his sister for darker skin
He’s colorism is still very present
Thank you cailen for blessing us with your voice and opinion of this sensitive topic.
Charles seems very performative
VERY
He’s giving dom from perfect match
There's a lot about what Charles thinks and says that seems off.
@@klz9500men who talk like that don’t date or aren’t use to being around black women.
Representation... Every family and every friend group has a "Charles"...
I thought the same thing he doesn't seem to be genuine at all.
Ngl i know he means well but charles x comes off as extra. He can't just share an anecdote about his dark-skinned sister, he has to go over the top about stating how amazing it is?
Agreed, the way he kept saying how beautiful and perfect the dark skin women are was weird
The glazing got weird fs
it was extremely cringe
It almost came off like a white dude with a Black skin fetish tbh
@@dotdotdot8376exactly the way he said it was cringey like how brands use dark skinned models as props
Orange shirt guy is so weird how he keeps saying things like “the sun was made for you Hanna”…like wtf 😭
Edit: Being weirded out and offended are two totally different things…a lot of you missed comprehension in your language arts classes 🥴
He should just treat them normally and not like an exotic animal
His glazing strared to feel really weird
He also said the sun is made for all black people including himself in 39:08. y'all just looking for something to be offended by
@@ssteffniihe said it about himself too
Lol I don’t think it’s weird. He’s pouring into her bc he knows that’s not a common thing for ppl who are of a darker complexion. Kinda what Chrys said earlier in the conversation about her mother complimenting her all the time because she knew the world would not. If you get what I mean.
I really enjoy the way Chrys articulates her points. She’s very eloquent and regal, in the way she presents herself. The heavier set light skin woman, I enjoyed her points as well. This was a really great videos to hear these strangers perspective on such a deliberating issue in our community.
the guy in the orange is trying to hard.. phoney
Yesss, I thought I was the only one that thought he was weird lol
Yeeesss every sentence is him complimenting the dark skin girl…I’m wondering if he’s just convincing himself that he’s not colorist atp.
Charles is auditioning for something. 🤦🏽♂️
The guy in the orange shirt seems like he has a spouse that is non-black and for him to be black he wants to get approval from Black people, whether their light skin or dark skin
@@hanbury22I literally said this
Light skin men have VERY diff experiences with their complexion than light skin women do - just like dark skin men compared to dark skin women. Also find it interesting one of the lighter women is plus size because that removes her a bit from the beauty standard when people think of a lighter skin woman.
I agree with you but I would also add the reason why "light skinned" men aren't a preference anymore to black women because it started to become a problem. In the 90s light skinned men were extremely sought after and every woman wanted one. But black women decided to change the narrative and uplift dark skinned men. It's just sad that black men can't do the same for dark skinned women.
@@TruessencesvnI think it's more that light skin black men date other light skins or just out more.i could be wrong.
I agree. The light skinned plus size women is not the beauty standard (even tho she is beautiful). I also notice a lot of ppl keep saying she’s “brown skinned” or not light skinned and I think its because she is not what they think of when they think of light skin
Lol this is not true but okay. I still feel a lot of black women like foreign looking men .@@Truessencesvn
@@Truessencesvnunfortunately I'm guilty of this
The guy in the orange shirt was very exclusive. He made sure he gave praise to the darker skinned women but kind of brushed off the lighter skinned people. He probably didn’t even know how passive he was being
it seemed deliberate to me....he clearly feels darker skin is superior and that light skinned people have weaker character traits
@@klz95002:45 he did say that the dark skinned people are the prototype aka the original. He seems very dismissive to the light skinned people and experience , which counteract what he said about himself not being colourist
@@OddsandSodsbyOkky dude is kinda corny but he was speaking facts tho dark skin is the prototype lol don't be mad because what he said is the truth you'll be ok you light brights still benefit from colorism so..
@@Austin-sc2lu whats the benefit?
this is exactly what i’m saying and people don’t see that. just ignorant 😂
Really enjoyed this video. Colourism is a real thing, even in africa (Southern Africa) some guys will blantky admit that they prefer lighter skinned woman and the lighter the better. Your shade of black directly contributes to how beautiful you are considered to be 💔 and i think that's why most girls end up bleaching for male validation
Not only for male validation but for better opportunities, socially, profesionnally
Too many of y’all refuse to understand that there are levels to complexion. Just because they aren’t the same complexion as Ice Spice, doesn’t mean they aren’t light skinned.
Must be a U.S. regional trait bc in my cipher, both Sabrina and Joseph would _NOT_ be considered light-skinned. It’s their call, of course, if they want to label themselves that _BUT_ they should *not* be upset if other black folks don’t see them as fair complected.
They're all roughly the same color as my light skinned mom. She gets mistaken for Mexican when she travels sometimes and I'm sure these guys have had it happen to them.
@@gabrielmcdonnell8699who told you lightskinned only means fair complected????? Lightskinned is a ligthskinned color. Brownskinned makes no sense. Y'all call the lighter darkskins brown and the darker lightskins brown, but if you put both beside each other you will clearly see the difference.
@@terrianwilliams2624By no stretch of the imagination was I trying to be dogmatic with my original post. I simply pointed out that within the culture, this light-skinned criteria might be regional. _I_ don’t consider Joseph (burgundy hoodie) light-skinned but it’s not my place nor is it anyone else’s to prevent him from claiming to be of fair complexion. That said, I’ll reiterate: Joseph and Sabrina should *NOT* be upset if some black ppl don’t see them as light-skinned. For example, put Joseph next to Steph Curry and poll black folks asking them “who is light-skinned, Joseph or Steph Curry?”
@@gabrielmcdonnell8699It's kinda sounding like they're offended on these people behalf that they're not considered lightskin.
Notice how the actual two light skins in the room acknowledged their privileges and weren't oblivious?
Sabrina and Jordan are comparing themselves to their darker skin family members.
Colorism is a problem Worldwide. Even in Asian countries. It’s an important conversation but it’s not exclusive to the Black Community.
Edit: This is just me eluding to the fact that there’s an opportunity to broaden this conversation, rightfully so.
True, but in the usa, we'll start here first then explore global
It's not - it's mostly US problem. Europe doesn't divide people by color but nationality.
Facts! Come to Manila and you’ll see skin lightening creams in every drugstore. You’ll even see billboards and commercials for these creams! And this colorist view is rampant in other Asian countries as well. Sad that in 2024 this crap is still going on.
Agreed, wish they brought people from other cultures who also experience colorism
@@phoearwenien4355 Colorism can’t exist among Europeans because all Europeans are white…….
The African guy pretending like colorism doesn't exist in Africa.... honestly 🙄🙄 Stop it. It's VERY prevalent there.
He meant growing up, but later he clearly acknowledged colorism in bleaching and opportunities
I was shocked too, I’m from Southern Africa and colourism is real!
His experience
GHANA doesn't much of an issue with colourism as it's in the Western Part of the continent.
The issue of colourism seems to come up moreso in the Carribbean (with bleaching) and in the Latin countries.
It could be a challenge exacerbated as the diaspora is psychologically reeling from rejection by the white population they're in proximity to.
This is not a big issue in Ghana.
i’m african and almost all of my aunties have used some type of bleaching product, same goes for almost all of the women i met that are of the same ethnicity as me and if you go to any african shop (most especially a west african one), i guarantee you that there will most likely be some type of skin whitening cream.
2 of those "light skins" are not light skin 😂
I was thinking the very same thing! 😅
They are light brown or caramel, making them part of the light-skinned spectrum. Some might consider them lighter-skinned depending on the environment. In contrast, the truly darker-skinned individuals would still be classified as dark-skinned, regardless of their surroundings.
@@JermillyBurnz They are not light skin.
Oh boy, your part of the problem
My family used to tell me “The blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice” and I heard it so much that it definitely helped me fight external colorist forces.
Does that by any chance make you look at people who aren't as black not as sweet?
@@whatoh3407bruh😭
@@whatoh3407 I'm light-skinned and I've heared that quote a lot. That quote is meant to uplift people with darker complexion. There's no reason to turn it into an insult. If it doesn't apply to you then don't put yourself in it.
@@des_elise While it's intended as a positive affirmation for people with dark skin, it's possible for some to interpret it as excluding or diminishing those with lighter skin tones. Inclusivity and sensitivity to different experiences and feelings are important when discussing topics related to race and appearance. Celebrating diversity means recognizing and valuing all shades and tones, ensuring that no one feels diminished or excluded. It's important to acknowledge and respect how phrases affect different individuals. Do you understand that language and expression can have different impacts on people depending on their personal experiences and perspectives?
@@whatoh3407That's the thing though, that isn't the only uplifting quote about skin tone. There are others depending on what skin tone you have. There's nothing wrong with celebrating differences.
I grew up not even realizing that I was the darkest of my siblings. All I knew was that I was pretty.
I like how you said that you knew you were pretty. 😊
And is 🤍
Yup preach sister!!
HA! that's it that's all lol
Period!
Y’all got Cailen and Chrys 😭 I’m in heaven😭
I LOVED!!!! Every time Chrys spoke like omg I aspire to her level of articulation
I love how Chrys ate up that guy in the orange with sheer facts because he reali was tryna overstep her point & go on like what she said wasn't valid when it was. He seems very self absorbed and like she said just because you haven't experienced something doesnt mean it doesnt happen - data supports that. She articulated herself so well & tbh that guy in orange gives weird & like he's fighting internal issues with himself still.
I love Chrys!!! I love everything she said. I wanted to say that dark skinned Black men do benefit from colorism in social settings because dark skin is perceived as masculine. As men, that benefits them, but that is a disadvantage to dark skin black women because women want to be viewed as feminine
lol ok
People definitely treat you differently. This is real.
The standard of beauty is often centred around the idea that "white is better" across various cultures. However, there seems to be a growing trend of emulating black features with surgery and fillers. Maybe the future is better for black people? LOL
@@riza361 in a black and white world that would make sense but in our reality that wouldn't be a better future. society only accepts the emulation of our features on white/lighter skin but not when they're born with dark bodies. Even so, the fact that our features had to be popularized and "trending" by non-black people in order to be respected or seen as valid is a problem within itself.
Chrys and Cailen always clocking that tea, loved them!
Light-skin is not the same as bi-racial.
Agreed!
Exactly!! And im tired of it being treated like it is.
@book_worm22 The standards changed over time because of so many biracial's be called only black.
This is true. My family is from Nigeria. We are Igbo people. My mom, sister, both aunts and several cousins are very light skin despite no European or Asian ancestry. If you have Nigerian ancestry (specifically Igbo), your chances of having a light skin child is very high because it's a common trait. You see it a lot with African Americans of Nigerian ancestry.
@@anncokaforwhat’s really funny in my family is that there is 6 of us and we are split down the middle lightskin darkskin. Me my brother and mum are lightskin, my dad, sister and other brother are darkskin. My mums Igbo and dads Yoruba
Men talking about their “seed” always weirds me out
the word itself gives me goosebumps 💀
@@svellah4388wtf does seed mean lol?
@@christianbryant5617 another way of saying sperm really
@@thathopestan ohh. Hmmmm lol
Eurgh yeah, like that’s your CHILD - the SEED is what is used to fertilise the egg, so it’s weird to talk about a living human child as just being “your seed”.
For the people in the comments:
2 FULLY BLACK PEOPLE can create a BLACK light skin kid
Without question but only 2 were in this video.
I am a result of that. My grandparents are dark and my parents. The San tribe in Africa is light skinned with DNA markers that go back 200,000 years. They are not light-skinned because they are mixed.
My son is like that. I’m brown, his father is dark skin. He came out yellow yellow. I’m still shocked till this day how genetics work.
@@gabrielmcdonnell8699which do you think if you don’t mind?
They wouldn’t be fully blk then they only appear to be. Two fully blk ppl can create an albino child though.
I love how Hanna explained it. She understands it.
The “darker than dogshit” comment hurt my feelings.
Mine too 💔
😂
Kids are such sociopaths.
@@Stopthecäq?
@@Stopthecäqit’s okay to feeling bad hearing a comment like that even if it’s coming from a kid. acting like if there’s not grown people that would say something similar at their big age. let’s not invalidate other peoples feelings.
Can we talk about how DROP DEAD GORGEOUS the lady in white T shirt and in her natural hair is 🤩🤩
Yes! She was glowing 🌟
@@sasaOLOGY I LOVED her!!
She's not. She's past her prime and she's an admitted feminist who would rather disappear from the earth when she passes than leave better versions of herself to move forward. Overall, she's not wife-material. That's her choice, but that's the facts.
Ok? She looks so dewy soft and supple. So pretty. Gorgeous.
"The sun was made for us" pls stop..
Yea I died at that part🤣🤣🤣
As obvious as that is. Captain cornball didn’t have to say it
He’s almost fetishising , if that isn’t colorism…
That’s not obvious at all. The sun wasn’t made for a specific color of human. The sun wasn’t made for humans at all. The sun made humans, but it wasn’t made for us. Especially not just one subsection of us.
I'm brown skin and definitely have to use sunscreen if outside for long periods of time under this new sun we got in the last few decades.
Hanna is glowing! Beautiful!
the guy in orange is so annoying
I felt like he kept trying to beef with the "politician."
I think he is black life extremist
After a while I just kept skipping every time he spoke. 🙄😵💫😵🫤😶🫣
@@MsDubatireal 😭
@@PoisonIvyy-sz8rv Yes, definitely seemed like he had it out for him for some reason.
I knew once I saw Cailen & Chrys, I would enjoy the video! I follow both of their platforms and they’re so well spoken and educated.
I love you so dearly!
What are their platforms please??!!
@@caileneaselyyeessss
Lightskin women, and darkskin men recieve social privileges by being promoted on screen, in their respective ways.
They often dismiss their counterparts experience.
@@Neo.Jordon dark skin men ? Pls be fr .😹
@@Neo.Jordon light skin men have so much representation too as light skinned women. Dark skin men than dark skin women maybe .
@@imetwurld-ey9sx Do you have any examples of lightskin men promoted as strong masculine or powerful leaders?
Lightskin is sold to the masses as soft, feminine and emotional.
@imetwurld-ey9sx that true a lot of bw want a tall dark skin men . Alot of women to be honest
i agree, at the same time tho like the guy in the orange said, not all social privileges are really privileges when you take into consideration how they're being portrayed (usually being hypersexualized, hypermasculinized, aggressive)
Another thing too is that no matter what shade of black you are theres ALWAYS someone lighter or darker than you. Ive had ppl call me dark skin and light skin
So amazing! Y’all should do one with Latinos - Mestizo, Indigenous, Afro-Latinos, etc.
i hate when men refer to their future children as their "seed" 😭 like URGH!! it's vulgar expression.
I get it, it’s like a replacement for “sperm” so it seems vulgar and inappropriate sometimes
i agree it's icky to me
Hotepery at best.
Now do:
-East Asians vs south Asians
-Afro latinx vs white Latinx vs indigenous latinx
-Dark skinned Indians vs light skinned Indians
Because the conversations are fairly similar 👀
YES!
Ok well they can start by not using an insulting term like Latinx.
@@x2z964 I absolutely apologize, I was not clear if it was offensive or not and I can definitely change it to what is appropriate
@@munchydaboss It’s not necessarily offensive, it’s just cringe.
@@Jennaayy17Oh really? See I’ve heard the complete opposite even when doing my research… interesting. I don’t use it either way
Something interesting is that the person asking questions sounds very Indian and they are known for being extremely colorist and classist. I wonder what her thoughts on some of these questions would be.
Yes, I am from India and definitely you would find a lot of people from India who are colorist and classist but that is not the story of the entire country. India is a huge country with so much diversity in it. If you move a few miles away you'll find a whole different culture. We have something called "British hangover". After almost 200 years of British rule, we definitely did pick up a lot of discrimination and are still facing the impacts.
Chrys and Cailen brought facts and weren't going off just their feelings alone. They made this conversation worth listening too. 10 out of 10! I'd love to see this conversation through difference ethnic groups, colorism is prevalent in every racial group, it would be interesting to see this convo from different perspectives
I agree with you, but thought Kwame and Tyler spoke sense too. They just had less airtime.
@@pam-t1n I do agree, Tyler didn't say much but when he did he was speaking facts. Kwame (Hanna as well) gave a new perspective, especially on the "Diaspora" issues so prevalent in the community.
Ooooo Chrys tore this UP! Loved hearing her speak
I’m glad the title is “light skin & dark skin,” bc if “vs” was thrown in their that would’ve been entirely inappropriate
what a beautiful episode .... feels like a long time since that actual middle ground is found
Light skin doesnt mean automatically mixed/half-caste. There are so many light-skin people who are fully black.
It’s so weird here in America. Half caste is biracial. Light skinned is Black. I’m African and my mother is light skinned. She is no way mixed.
Exactly I don’t even get this episode 😂😂
The lightest girl in this video has two black parents
@@JusticeCraig-gh2ef Cailen has 2 black parents? No way, I thought she was biracial!
This should be a series for all POC as this topic plaques so many ethnic groups (Asians, Latino, MENA etc.)
I agree. Wouldve been nice for everyone to speak to eachother
100% should've included Asians(E.Asian and SEA), MENA
this is so random but thank you so much for saying MENA instead of “arabs” or whatnot
Your auto correct betrayed you with one word
@@hwfq34fajw9foiffawdiufhuaiwfhw I think if it was different races it would be a different conversation altogether - the dynamics among people of the same race are different.
The first thing I thought when I saw this was, "Wait?! Am I light skinned?!"
Lmao literally 😂
😂😂😂
@@lorreanscarlett5583you mean 2. You are definitely darker than half of them
😆🤣😆🤣😆Bruh Wesley Snipes is light-skin according to this casting. Damn---it is one light skin dude out of all of them.
I think you’re focusing too much on their appearance rather than their experience. If you don’t have the experience of being called and treated as lightskinned, you’re probably not. Reality is, cameras aren’t perfect, these people could look slightly lighter or darker in person.
0:56 love this Sister.She just stated the whole fact.
For someone to assume you're feminine, soft, and act like a lady that is somehow offensive? Only our women would be offended by such things.
Hanna is so freaking beautiful!!!! she's adorable and her skin is glistening ✨♥😍
all the ppl in the comments saying “those aren’t lightskins” clearly didn’t watch the video 🤦🏽♀️
Exactly lmao
And the funny thing is that the dark skinned people are also different shades. But no one has any objections for them.
I get what you saying but half of them are brown skin not light skinned.
@@dolphin8766 I think people get light skin and biracial mixed up. Light skin is a lighter black person.
@@Hawtestyf Exactly what I thought when they brought up light-skinned biracial people in the industry. That further expresses anti-Black sentiments in entertainment for that to be the predominant representation for monoracial Black women
I’m a dark skinned women growing up I always got called names about my complexion by my own black people which I felt was strange and sad really. Never had a person from another race comment on my skin tone just other black people.
Thats crazy. I had a friend in middle school who was bullied harshly for his dark skin tone. The school majority was black. It still happened in HS. We both went to a high school where black was the minority. It still happened... but behind his back.
Yeah it’s usually only black ppl attacking other black ppl
same but I'm very light skinned. honestly it still happens in adulthood. it really it sad