Tailgate step and speakers..... NOT an offroad factor. Grille and logo width..... What!? Lol WUT!? Andre didn't even mention the DEF tank skid plate on the GM . Seriously, if my life depended on it, RAM PowerWagon PERIOD
Honestly road presence actually makes a difference, and these measurement comparisons are significant. But standing back and just looking, the RAM is the overall more appealing/handsome/manly looking Truck.
This is the best test I’ve seen from you guys. Besides driving them I absolutely loved the measurements from the diff to the doors to the front chin to the tires. Which magazine or site does this ? No one! Thank you guys for doing real world tests and measurements. From Andre to Roman to Nathan to the rest of the guys , thank you guys very much.
All the measurements and specs are interesting; however, it all boils down to your gut feeling about a truck. Not to be too biased, but I recently bought a '19 Power Wagon. I love it thus far, but GMCs, Fords, Tundras, etc. are cool as well. I went with the Power Wagon because it fits my personality/interests more and aesthetically it's awesome. Keep up the reviews! 👍
I don't know anyone with a Ram that has reliability issues. I do know other people driving Ford and Chevy pickups that have had problems. Generally, new vehicles are amazingly reliable. First model year is usually the sticking point to that.
@@fifthcircle1 I know people who have had issue with all of them, however, it't only the people who have owned Ram/FCA vehicles that had them lemon lawed. On guy lemon lawed his 1500. Another guy lemon lawed his Hemi Grand Cherokee once, and tried with the second one they gave him after having countless issues. Ended up trading it for a hit.
@@chadsteele1 Those stereotypes exist about all vehicles. I owned a Ford before this and had nothing but problems, but I still feel Ford is a solid brand. The PW just fits me better. It's pointless to put down another brand, because some people like one brand, and others like another. We just need to respect those choices. Peace, my friend. 🙂
andrews I know! My chin spoiler is held on by zip ties and my bumper is all bent to shit. I’ve had to winch it out of the bottom of the headlights a couple times already.
Make a video where you show how they both handle being taken off-road against each other, specs is one thing but seeing them put in the work is way better!
Exactly. The Duratrac is a tougher tire and an actual off-road tread. The other one GM used is just a street tire for a truck. If you want the same ground clearance, get a taller Duratrac. Lol
HaHa, the price of these vehicles is just staggering and untouchable to most of the driving public, not saying that they are not nice, they are, just not affordable for the avg American. I mean I make a good living but I am not investing my $$$ into these way overpriced vehicles. I got a Jeep paid for, I go off road with it and get my off road on and I am done. When I got hauling and towing to do I jump in the ole 99 Chevy and tow and haul most anything in my lifestyle. Good job tho Andre, I enjoy your videos the most.
@Yo Dad actually I do have money to pay cash for it, it's just not my priority. I am not trying to brag about my education or my income, but what I am saying is that I'm far from alone. No matter what you millennials want to say the country is not full peasants, there are plenty of us who make enough to buy nice things in life. If a nice new truck makes somebody happy and they can afford it then let them be, it's none of your business just because you don't have their level of income.
He wonders why Chevrolet doesnt have a plate under the fuel tank, its because GM knows that their fuel pump is garbage and will need to be changed out regularly
Paul J your thinking of a different 10 speed transmission the one that’s in the 1/2 ton raptor and Silverado/Sierra is a joint venture with General Motors and Ford. The one put in the 3/4 ton and 1 ton is Allison designed components and assembled in Toledo by General motors.
Mike Leggiero the last time a Allison assembled transmission was put in a GM truck was the Lb7. After that General Motors assembled them all in Baltimore.
Geee if I had money to buy either truck it would probably be the GMC. The cameras, tailgate with the speakers, heads up display, LED lights everywhere! I just love tech.
@@damitbobby6677 They say Toyotas and Honda are more reliable and they are. However I do believe that they are more cautious with tech and new designs. They are slower at putting out those things.
@@pechmichaelchristina2640 If I was purchasing a HD truck that was a bit of a jack of all trades off road and towing my priority would be the towing aspect. The vast majority of the people purchasing these truck will tow more than serious off roading which may require the locker disconnect. I am almost certain these 2 trucks will be very similar off road giving the edge to the Ram. But towing it wouldnt be a edge but a GMC it would be a land slide difference. Not to mention MPG. But 2 each his own. :) isn't america GREAT!
I would choose the ram for its solid axles and old school 4x4 shifter, even the lockers, I just hate the knob gear selector, it really should be a column shift lever. It bugs me that much.
You can’t compare those 2 man . Power wagon is an off-road truck and lighter than the gmc with key off-road features the gmc is a heavy duty truck that can go little bit off road
Add the same tire/wheel size from the at4 to the powerwagon probably make but the rear diff height difference. At4 near 9.5 and wagon at 8 1/4. That extra inch makes 9 1/4 maybe load rating of tires would have it sitting 9.5 to 9.5 maybe
Love both trucks but I am true to GM! Dodge kicks ass even if it's a gas engine, hoping they make it in a diesel option so it could be a better comparison though. Really like your guys videos, keep up the good work!
I like when Andre is alone doing these objective reviews and comparisons. When he's with the other guys, he's too corny and almost brown nosing. Keep him alone, he's more down to earth and real.
@@jlbush8249 So you're saying that those are the biggest tires that are going to work without rubbing on a stock Power Wagon? Because every manufacturer chooses track width, wheel size/backspace/offset, and tire size with consideration for tire clearances. No stock truck, no matter the articulation, is going to rub.
gio lats I think they’re gunna do it in January. That’s when they’re actually allowed to talk about the new Tremmor. So they’re gunna do it as a 3 way head to head.
Greg Kittle Mexico's factory complex is larger than the one in Warren, Michigan. It has more capacity and flexibility, here we make Ram 1500 Classic, and the entire Heavy Duty Ram line from 2500 to 5500, and it is rumored to be the next truck midsize of Ram will be built here in Mexico. I can tell you that there is no intention of taking more production to Michigan, that has already happened, they only obtained the new generation Ram 1500. Do not believe the lies of your president here we work with more quality and it is more profitable for FCA.
ocon dragon You are free to do what you want, what a sadness for racist, classist and self-conscious people. Many people in the world have negative perceptions of American people, I know that not all Americans are ungrateful like you, Immigrants made America great never forget it. Nothing personal just an opinion.
@@JPE_DRAEB F-250 Tremor still has 15,000 lb conventional towing (either engine) and only about 1500 lbs less with the gas engine vs diesel on 6th wheel towing.
Love that new GM tailgate, but I'll keep my Power Wagon. Too many features ideally suited to off-road. I had a GM back when they first brouhgt out the "Sportside" and loved it for years. I think either vehicle would make an owner happy.
@@WilliamStewart1 I have Toyo open country MT 35"s and am getting about 12 mpg and you're right pretty much Irrelevant whats not mentioned here is I can stick 37 underneath mine and still get full lock on the steering there is no way that's true for the GMC
Thank you Andre for actually measuring the ground clearance that matters! The minimum ground clearance. The ram is advertised as having 13 inches of ground clearance (obviously measured from highest point). Meanwhile the minimum from the rear diff is a paltry 8 inches. What a joke!
I would love to see ram bring a 7.0ltr “426” hemi to the heavy duty line up. It could bring a lot more power to the power wagon without the weight of a diesel
They could put the Helliphant in it that's a modern 426 Hemi that's super charged & makes 1000 HP & over 900ftlbs of torque on pump gas . The engine uses the superstock block heads crank rods & pistons so it can take a healthy beating plus it comes with the computer opened up so you can custom tune the engine your self with a laptop & not having to send the ECM in to either have it flashed or a custom tune put into it !
Pete Loomis I’ve seen it and that sounds awesome! But they would also need the larger gasser to be compatible for the non pw ram hd. And tuned that high it wouldn’t last at all. Maybe if they had it tuned to 500hp and 550trq
I found you guys through a video of the different Ford engines... now I own an F150 with the 5.0 I watch the videos because they're well produced. Nice work and consistently great content.
Measuring grills and logos? I think the real question here is how many cup holders does each truck have? You can never have to many bottles laying around
Lots of people buy these trucks, they're a tax write off if you did life right. Drive it for 2 years and then trade it in for a new model. Work for yourself, it has benefits.
Not the Mississippi state government!! I'm a damn systems admin and only make $37,500 a year. That just ain't shit anymore. I could buy a brand new truck if I didn't have a house payment, does that count? Lol!
Glad to see this segment heating up. I would like to see a comparison with these two and the Ford Tremor, Toyota Tundra TRD, and Nissan Titan XD Pro 4X.
Who gives ANDRE thumbs down!!!!???? Sac religious!! Even if I don’t share the same opinion (rare) TFL’s crew gets me the info I want in a fun format. I hope Santa wife brings me a TFL hoodie! Happy Thanksgiving all!!🦃🦃
When it comes to off roading the tried and true solid axle wins. Ps those are Dana 60s. I am a hummer owner to this day and I will go with a power wagon.
@@FordF-Super Is there a point to your comment? I was simply making a stab about how the EPA has choked out diesel engines. I don't believe there was any sort of timeline attached to my comment. So please point out where you feel I may be uninformed.
@@FordF-Super I see where the confusion came from now. You thought I put '20 for MY-2020, instead of the 20' for 20 feet. I'm not going to call you stupid, when it's just a misunderstanding on the placement of the " ' ".
I do like that the Ram HD crew cabs are 149" wheel base. Thats not huge. To put that into perspective, my 2014 F150 Supercrew with a 6.5' bed is a 157" WB. And now that GM and Ram have gone to bigger cabs in their 1500's, even those are bigger.
I have a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon for serious off roading. A heavy duty truck is more for towing than anything else, so the GMC is the one that fills that need hands down.
You can get a Power Wagon new right now with all the needed off road goodies but none of the fluff for $47,225. That is the best deal on a dedicated off roader anywhere. You can get a minivan motored Rubicon Gladiator or Wrangler for a few thousand less, but step up to the Ecodiesel and it's $2000 more. The ZR2 Diesel Colorado is $500 more but smaller and no winch. The AT4 even without the diesel and still lacking front lockers and a winch with the most basic possible options except the off road performance package is $9000 more.
My vote goes to the one that has the mechanical transfer case lever. Power Wagon. Loved that skid plate view and comparison. That should be a part of all of your off road reviews.
If we're talking some real off-roading, it's the Power Wagon all day for me. Having front and rear lockers on the Power Wagon just makes a massive difference. I'm not a fan of that G80 auto locker that GM just won't go away from. The Power Wagon also gets you solid axles, disconnecting sway bar, and that factory Warn winch. I hope you put them up against each other on a hairy off-road trail.
The Raptor is a class above these two trucks. Although they are both nice trucks, if I wanted a straight off-road truck It would be straight to a Raptor. And I own a 2019 Ram 1500.
Next week we compare the power Wagon to a D9 cat which can out-Tow the Ram by 48 tons, but the D9 has no radio, tires or steering wheel, but 1200 more HP, so we subtracted 4 points from the Ram, let's see if the Ram can compare...why compare disel with non diesel???? Am I missing something here?
REALLY wish you guys would also point out that you can get the AT4 in a 3500 SRW and quote it's payload and towing capacity. Also I still don't understand why they classify the Power Wagon as an HD truck, most if not all 1500's have better payload and towing capabilities.
Its the same platform as all the RAM 2500's with different springs and radius arms. You want extreme articulation or do you want payload? Physics are a bitch.
I just seen video of same Power Wagon with 12" screen, same seats final asking price 64, they got it for 53, they all probably have about 10k down at the end of the year
Motortrend tested them and said they could comfortably do double what the power wagon was rated 4. It also destroyed the gas gm hd's in towing and payload despite being rated for less.
@@ggqbc The same motortrend that couldn't set up a Dyno..... Twice! Please. The truck is rated at what it is. What they think and what's legal are two different things.
"While Americans can’t seem to get enough of the mid-size pickups from Japanese automakers, they absolutely shun their full-size trucks. According to data from WardsIntelligence, the highest market share Toyota has seen with Tundra was 9.1% and that was in 2007. It currently hovers in the 5% range. It’s even worse for Nissan. The best the Titan was able to muster was 3.5% of the market in 2005. Today it’s at 1.5%. With the Detroit Three commanding 94% of full-size pickup sales this year, it might almost make more sense for Toyota and Nissan to share a large truck platform." Autoline
Hi Andre I just want to know which truck of the big 3 would you buy if you had the $ for any of them base on planning on keeping vehicle for ever so is because it's reliable in motor, transmission. Safety, quality components interior/ exterior meaning you not going to be replacing parts that break easily or worn out prematurely. It's a one time huge investment. Mostly for towing a fithwheel traveling with family????
Hey Guys awesome channels I love all of them! You guys are one of my all time favorite to watch. Keep em coming. I'm undecided in the 1/2 ton pickup and looking to buy in a month or so. In order I was thinking F150 FX4 (3.5 or 5.0-not liking the oil consumption issues plaguing it) RAM Rebel 5.7 (FCA product worries me) and last Chevy/GMC Trail Boss/AT4 6.2L Honestly what do you think is the most dependable one (besides Tundra) of the bunch? I'm in the Chicagoland are, retired Homeland Security. Thanks in advance.
Road racer Tanner Foust just did a 4x4 off road challenge with the ram rebel against a Toyota fj & a Range Rover & the rebel kicked both of these off road trucks asses in not only power but handling the rough stuff in sand rocks boulders & deep water crossings so maybe look it up on here !
Only the Dodge has that option & the reason why is if you off road it disconnecting the sway bar in the front allows better articulation of the suspension which in some instances will keep the tire on ground or surface which allows better traction !
I care more about visibility down the hood to obstacles and parking than the big grill points.. so o jectively prefer the ram hood headlight setups to GMC, even if I like the looks of GMC front grill.
I have never had good luck with Rancho shocks, they have always leaked and caused cupping for me. Not sure why GM uses them as their selling point on an "off road" suspension.
It's WAAAYYY more than a winch that makes the Power Wagon much better off road, and cameras don't have much to do with it either. Door length has little to do with interior space. Measure seat back n dash thickness as well as seat travel too.
I know you have to keep driving impressions to yourself until next year on the Tremor but, this video was mostly done with comparing specs...I know you have a Tremor so, tell me why it wasn't included in this spec v. spec review?
I’ve got the AT4 which is NOT as good off-road as my buddy’s power wagon so a bit disappointed cause this isn’t an apples to apples comparison! The AT4’s come with optional 6.6 gasoline motors which is what YOU should’ve compared the Ram 6.4 Hemi to. Rather than comparing the LOADED OUT AT4 diesel to a not fully loaded out gasoline powered Power Wagon. Also, the longer wheel base is horrible for any off-roading which really is a marketing ploy on GM’s part. If you really want to know which is the best HD Off-road capable truck look no further than the over lander club, Ram Power Wagons are without a doubt The Top Choice.
Power Wagon is the benchmark for all others to surpass, but the PW has been proven to be the best throughout time. Upgrades will be coming to put the PW back on top.
It looks like there was quite a bit of wear on the Dodge probably accounting for lower tie right. I will use the configurator to see what the GMC comes out to with a gas engine.
For offroad power wagon for sure....softer suspension and more offroad features....lighter weight, shorter wheelbase.....easy choice...... For towing it's GMC...powerwagon is basically a 1500 in terms of towing
Ram and GM both use the same AAM 11.6 rear end...right? Still? So different diff clearance should be subjective to tire diameter not suspension. So the AT4 must use a taller tire
You should always do a turning radius test. very important not only for off-road, but also everyday driving and parking.
That and headlight illumination.
Those rams turn the tightest. Ford and gm HDs need 40 acres to turn around on.
Turn radius is very underrated. Only real truck driver know how important being able to make right turns are.
@@jamespenner1412 It's true. I had a GMC sierra and it was brutal, now I have an f150 it's even worse lol.
That would require them to drive the truck...
As they say the proof is in the pudding. Take them off roading not measure their grills.
Yeah, that was a joke.
@Daver G yes I know. The grill measure is still a joke as in ridiculous.
@@scruffster2497 I think he was injecting some irrelevant humor in the grill measurement section.
@@chandlermcelroy7198 ok
Yea, what's this fuckery?
Who really cares about logo width, grill width, and grill height? Come on guys.
Next Andre is gonna say ",oh what the hell guys, let me measure my Wang for you guys since I already have my tape out measuring meaningless stuff"
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Tailgate step and speakers..... NOT an offroad factor. Grille and logo width..... What!? Lol WUT!? Andre didn't even mention the DEF tank skid plate on the GM . Seriously, if my life depended on it, RAM PowerWagon PERIOD
Badge envy
Clearly the Power Wagon won, and in but just saying that because I have one!
You lost my interest when you started measuring badges and grills. 😖
I agree
Yep. Ridiculous metric.
Honestly road presence actually makes a difference, and these measurement comparisons are significant. But standing back and just looking, the RAM is the overall more appealing/handsome/manly looking Truck.
I cringed every time Andre ran that tape measure along a painted surface. 😳
This is the best test I’ve seen from you guys. Besides driving them I absolutely loved the measurements from the diff to the doors to the front chin to the tires. Which magazine or site does this ? No one! Thank you guys for doing real world tests and measurements. From Andre to Roman to Nathan to the rest of the guys , thank you guys very much.
All the measurements and specs are interesting; however, it all boils down to your gut feeling about a truck. Not to be too biased, but I recently bought a '19 Power Wagon. I love it thus far, but GMCs, Fords, Tundras, etc. are cool as well. I went with the Power Wagon because it fits my personality/interests more and aesthetically it's awesome. Keep up the reviews! 👍
Yeah but its a ram. Is reliability going to be alright? Fiat jeep ram arent known for reliability. Just a friendly questions as i may want one as well
I don't know anyone with a Ram that has reliability issues. I do know other people driving Ford and Chevy pickups that have had problems. Generally, new vehicles are amazingly reliable. First model year is usually the sticking point to that.
Hope it fits ur wallet to, cuz they love the shop.
@@fifthcircle1 I know people who have had issue with all of them, however, it't only the people who have owned Ram/FCA vehicles that had them lemon lawed. On guy lemon lawed his 1500. Another guy lemon lawed his Hemi Grand Cherokee once, and tried with the second one they gave him after having countless issues. Ended up trading it for a hit.
@@chadsteele1 Those stereotypes exist about all vehicles. I owned a Ford before this and had nothing but problems, but I still feel Ford is a solid brand. The PW just fits me better. It's pointless to put down another brand, because some people like one brand, and others like another. We just need to respect those choices. Peace, my friend. 🙂
I'm a Ford and GM guy but unless the AT4 or Tumor offer a winch or front locker don't even bother wasting your time with a comparison test.
apparently winch is coming for the tumor and the front diff is electronic lsd
The Tremor has a factory Dana limited slip. I don't think it's a Torsen type, but it's better than nothing.
Where's offroad part?
Why doesn't anyone make an easily detachable chin spoler? Leave it on most of the time for a bit of fuel economy, and snap it off for off-road?
Mike Wright - I agree, but if they are too easy, they just get stolen.
@@andrewsbbq where's it at in your garage? 🙃
They self clearance really easy if you take these trucks off road seriously.
andrews just curious, did you see any noticeable change in mileage after taking it off?
andrews I know! My chin spoiler is held on by zip ties and my bumper is all bent to shit. I’ve had to winch it out of the bottom of the headlights a couple times already.
Make a video where you show how they both handle being taken off-road against each other, specs is one thing but seeing them put in the work is way better!
The tire size is the difference in clearance, the ram wins in my book
Exactly. The Duratrac is a tougher tire and an actual off-road tread. The other one GM used is just a street tire for a truck.
If you want the same ground clearance, get a taller Duratrac.
Lol
@@mikz86ta1 The Duratrash has to be removed immediately, as it has glass belts and toilet tissue side walls sadly.
Power Wagon be like "Hold my beer watch this!
AT4 HD for me, for sure.
John Grytbakk hey bud how have you been
HaHa, the price of these vehicles is just staggering and untouchable to most of the driving public, not saying that they are not nice, they are, just not affordable for the avg American. I mean I make a good living but I am not investing my $$$ into these way overpriced vehicles. I got a Jeep paid for, I go off road with it and get my off road on and I am done. When I got hauling and towing to do I jump in the ole 99 Chevy and tow and haul most anything in my lifestyle. Good job tho Andre, I enjoy your videos the most.
J Smith But it’s the YOLO lifestyle
Let the oil cowboys buy these first and then we get them for 40k in 2 years.
J Smith plenty of people can afford them, particularly anybody in the upper middle class. It really comes down to priorities.
@Yo Dad actually I do have money to pay cash for it, it's just not my priority. I am not trying to brag about my education or my income, but what I am saying is that I'm far from alone. No matter what you millennials want to say the country is not full peasants, there are plenty of us who make enough to buy nice things in life. If a nice new truck makes somebody happy and they can afford it then let them be, it's none of your business just because you don't have their level of income.
@@scoobtay You don't want anything thats been in the oil patch.
One is geared more for towing the other for off-road capability. The Tremor seems it would be a happy medium. All three are sweet.... and expensive.
That's the problem, how many people can justify spending 60 k to really bash it off road
@@tl5108 - you don't have to bash it. If that's your thing, then build a POS to do that, or buy a SxS.
Solid front and rear axels with lockers and a winch the power wagon wins
just if anyones confused. power wagon is an offroad package/trim level. AT4 is an appearance package
He wonders why Chevrolet doesnt have a plate under the fuel tank, its because GM knows that their fuel pump is garbage and will need to be changed out regularly
The fact they went with an Allison transmission is another tell. There are alot of GM fanboys commenting.
Love how he threw “Allison branded” transmission. The T1000 was Allison designed and assembled by GM in Baltimore.
Cause they branded the 10 speed allision which it isn't really since most of it was a FORD design. In this cause this is a true 6 speed allision.
Paul J your thinking of a different 10 speed transmission the one that’s in the 1/2 ton raptor and Silverado/Sierra is a joint venture with General Motors and Ford. The one put in the 3/4 ton and 1 ton is Allison designed components and assembled in Toledo by General motors.
@@paulj9821 It's not shared on the HD platform. Two different transmissions
@@Steve-pc6cb its not a allison just stamped look up allison from sema the old gm does come with a allison new ones is a gm trans
Mike Leggiero the last time a Allison assembled transmission was put in a GM truck was the Lb7. After that General Motors assembled them all in Baltimore.
Geee if I had money to buy either truck it would probably be the GMC. The cameras, tailgate with the speakers, heads up display, LED lights everywhere! I just love tech.
More tech. More problems down the road. More expenses when needing repair. Just sayin
@@timothycc711 I hear ya. Just ask ram about there 12 inch touch screen problem
@@damitbobby6677 They say Toyotas and Honda are more reliable and they are. However I do believe that they are more cautious with tech and new designs. They are slower at putting out those things.
I’d take the power wagon coming from a Chevy owner.
As it sits I'd take the GMC with a diesel any day and all night long coming from a ram fan. Lol
Bryan E for off-road the Pw With lockers and sway bar disconnect cannot be matched by this GMC. For towing yes the GMC wins
@@pechmichaelchristina2640 If I was purchasing a HD truck that was a bit of a jack of all trades off road and towing my priority would be the towing aspect. The vast majority of the people purchasing these truck will tow more than serious off roading which may require the locker disconnect. I am almost certain these 2 trucks will be very similar off road giving the edge to the Ram. But towing it wouldnt be a edge but a GMC it would be a land slide difference. Not to mention MPG. But 2 each his own. :) isn't america GREAT!
@@bryane2857 Enjoy your aftertreatment problems then.
@@bryane2857 in that case I would buy a Tradesman diesel with Powerwagon package so it tows and goes offroad for alot less money.
I would choose the ram for its solid axles and old school 4x4 shifter, even the lockers, I just hate the knob gear selector, it really should be a column shift lever. It bugs me that much.
That gmc just looks awesome !!! For my money gmc this is the first ram i think is worthy of a purchase because of that interior
My lord that AT4 is beautiful.
You can’t compare those 2 man . Power wagon is an off-road truck and lighter than the gmc with key off-road features the gmc is a heavy duty truck that can go little bit off road
Exactly!
Winner winner
Not really they didn't state who was the best of both worlds it was a who was the best off road truck and in any case the Power Wagon.
The GMC is an “off road” truck, the Ram IS an off road truck. AT4 should be compared to a Ram 2500 diesel with the off road package.
The Ram had less ground clearance. So much for being a real off road truck.
I'm going to the Ram website now to "build" one. And......NO! You can't get the selectable lockers and disconnect-able sway bar with a diesel.
Add the same tire/wheel size from the at4 to the powerwagon probably make but the rear diff height difference. At4 near 9.5 and wagon at 8 1/4. That extra inch makes 9 1/4 maybe load rating of tires would have it sitting 9.5 to 9.5 maybe
@@rezridez1 The Ram had 33's and the AT4 had 34's. If the Ram went to 34's, it would gain 1/2" of ground clearance under the diff (8.75").
@@karlschauff7989 ya he measured the rams 33 out to be 31 vs at4s 34s that measured out to 33
Love both trucks but I am true to GM! Dodge kicks ass even if it's a gas engine, hoping they make it in a diesel option so it could be a better comparison though. Really like your guys videos, keep up the good work!
Historically, Power Wagons are only Gas powered.
You can get a Cummins with the power wagon package. Pretty sure it’s a regular power wagon but without the winch
David Lynch that’s not a power wagon, it’s just a 2500 with a package. Just because a Scat Pack has the 6.4, doesn’t make it a “SRT 392”
David Lynch You cannot get a diesel in the Power Wagon.
Jl Bush like I said, “ you can get a normal Cummins and get the power wagon package.”
I like when Andre is alone doing these objective reviews and comparisons. When he's with the other guys, he's too corny and almost brown nosing. Keep him alone, he's more down to earth and real.
Yeah but when he's alone he also measures grills and badges.
The reason the gmc was taller in stance was because the tire size
Wahhhhhhh
It's nobody's fault but Ram's that they put baby tires on a Power Wagon.
The gmc truck is larger in design... in height and width.
karl schauff They did it to maximize wheel articulation.
@@jlbush8249 So you're saying that those are the biggest tires that are going to work without rubbing on a stock Power Wagon? Because every manufacturer chooses track width, wheel size/backspace/offset, and tire size with consideration for tire clearances. No stock truck, no matter the articulation, is going to rub.
When are you gonna make an actual off-road test with these two? Cliffhanger 2.0 or something?
gio lats I think they’re gunna do it in January. That’s when they’re actually allowed to talk about the new Tremmor. So they’re gunna do it as a 3 way head to head.
Power Wagon still Champion
Proudly Made in Mexico 🇲🇽💪🏻
Sergio Vazquez assembly is being moved to Michigan.
Greg Kittle Mexico's factory complex is larger than the one in Warren, Michigan. It has more capacity and flexibility, here we make Ram 1500 Classic, and the entire Heavy Duty Ram line from 2500 to 5500, and it is rumored to be the next truck midsize of Ram will be built here in Mexico. I can tell you that there is no intention of taking more production to Michigan, that has already happened, they only obtained the new generation Ram 1500. Do not believe the lies of your president here we work with more quality and it is more profitable for FCA.
@@sergiovazquez398 got ya wont buy that truck. Thanks for the heads up.
ocon dragon You are free to do what you want, what a sadness for racist, classist and self-conscious people. Many people in the world have negative perceptions of American people, I know that not all Americans are ungrateful like you, Immigrants made America great never forget it. Nothing personal just an opinion.
I want to see off road and towing test of these two and the Ford HD Tremor diesel!
I bought a F-250 Tremor specifically without a diesel, a little lighter and MUCH better in extremely cold weather!
@@dundonrl What about towing? Never get's below 80F here! LOL!
@@JPE_DRAEB F-250 Tremor still has 15,000 lb conventional towing (either engine) and only about 1500 lbs less with the gas engine vs diesel on 6th wheel towing.
@@dundonrl But the MPG on the gas sucks with towing right?
@@JPE_DRAEB If you're towing a lot, the Tremor isn't for you. Of course anyone with an iota of common sense will know that!
Love that new GM tailgate, but I'll keep my Power Wagon. Too many features ideally suited to off-road. I had a GM back when they first brouhgt out the "Sportside" and loved it for years. I think either vehicle would make an owner happy.
GMC with 6.6 gasser and throw a winch on it, sold!
Love the hat Andre. The powerwagon needs 35inch Duratracs.
It seems to be the most done thing to the trucks for owners. I get it hurts fuel mileage, but that's more less irrelevant with these trucks.
@@WilliamStewart1 I have Toyo open country MT 35"s and am getting about 12 mpg and you're right pretty much Irrelevant whats not mentioned here is I can stick 37 underneath mine and still get full lock on the steering there is no way that's true for the GMC
Match up is missing the black Tremor,,I know Ford said January .🇺🇸
TFL has a Tremor though they're just not allowed to talk about it.
@@thawk1435 yep till January ,
@@thawk1435 they are allowed to measure it.
This is why you guys are the best. On paper the power wagon is unstoppable, but you guys show there are pros and cons to both
Thank you Andre for actually measuring the ground clearance that matters! The minimum ground clearance. The ram is advertised as having 13 inches of ground clearance (obviously measured from highest point). Meanwhile the minimum from the rear diff is a paltry 8 inches. What a joke!
I would love to see ram bring a 7.0ltr “426” hemi to the heavy duty line up. It could bring a lot more power to the power wagon without the weight of a diesel
They could put the Helliphant in it that's a modern 426 Hemi that's super charged & makes 1000 HP & over 900ftlbs of torque on pump gas . The engine uses the superstock block heads crank rods & pistons so it can take a healthy beating plus it comes with the computer opened up so you can custom tune the engine your self with a laptop & not having to send the ECM in to either have it flashed or a custom tune put into it !
Pete Loomis I’ve seen it and that sounds awesome! But they would also need the larger gasser to be compatible for the non pw ram hd. And tuned that high it wouldn’t last at all. Maybe if they had it tuned to 500hp and 550trq
Not sure I would want it. It’s hard enough getting my 6.4 up my driveway without eating it up.
I found you guys through a video of the different Ford engines... now I own an F150 with the 5.0
I watch the videos because they're well produced. Nice work and consistently great content.
Measuring grills and logos? I think the real question here is how many cup holders does each truck have? You can never have to many bottles laying around
Crazy guy! TFL GETS WEIRDER by the day!
Solid front, front and rear locker vs IFS and non selectable rear locker. Come on guys....
Eagerly awaiting the three way comparison of the AT4, Powerwagon and Tremor.
Ground clearance at the differential is usually due to the tire size. Put the larger tires on the PW and clearance would be the same
More tech = more problems. Power wagon definitely wins in my book
As for effective tire height, measure from the ground to the hub centre. That's the rolling radius times two = what the truck sees.
Stopped watching when you started measuring the badges and the grill. I usually love your vids, but come on...WTF?!?!
You guys need to rename this video “best looking off-road truck”..... measuring grills and logos.... really
Life long Chevy guy here. But I'm buying the PowerWagon come next November.
As nice as they both are, I can't afford either...So I'll stay with my 73 Scout II.
Always liked that handsome handle bar mustache of the ram though great job Andre, also love the hat and happy thanksgiving 🦃
Power Wagon is still the king. For an off road HD truck you cant beat it. Oh, and how much more for the GMC....
Close to 100 grand out the lot,damn,unless you're a dope dealer,pimp or work in government no way you'll swing that note.
Aint that the truth these vehicles today are way over priced
I've swung it 3 times this year.
Lots of people buy these trucks, they're a tax write off if you did life right. Drive it for 2 years and then trade it in for a new model. Work for yourself, it has benefits.
Not the Mississippi state government!! I'm a damn systems admin and only make $37,500 a year. That just ain't shit anymore. I could buy a brand new truck if I didn't have a house payment, does that count? Lol!
@@WilliamStewart1 Matthew 5:5
*At least they will have a bunch of electronics to keep them entertained while they wait for the tow truck 😂*
Glad to see this segment heating up. I would like to see a comparison with these two and the Ford Tremor, Toyota Tundra TRD, and Nissan Titan XD Pro 4X.
More power wagons might be sold if there was a diesel option but personally, I don't mind using a gasoline engine. It still gets the job done.
Who gives ANDRE thumbs down!!!!???? Sac religious!! Even if I don’t share the same opinion (rare) TFL’s crew gets me the info I want in a fun format. I hope Santa wife brings me a TFL hoodie! Happy Thanksgiving all!!🦃🦃
What is Sac Religious? Is that like a church in Sacramento?
Yeah who gives a Russian with cowboy boots a thumb down??? You the man Andre! I had a chance to meet him in person and he’s a really good dude.
Hell yeah
When it comes to off roading the tried and true solid axle wins. Ps those are Dana 60s. I am a hummer owner to this day and I will go with a power wagon.
Dana 60s on what?
Solid axles and a big badge. All you need.
@@donleamon8653 ram power wagon :)
@@dchawk81 yup hehe
I hate how diesels sound through 20' of EPA regulations.
Ford F-250 6.7 Super lol. He gave a measurement of feet dumbass lol. 20’ of Restricted exhaust. ‘ is feet. Lol
@@FordF-Super Is there a point to your comment? I was simply making a stab about how the EPA has choked out diesel engines. I don't believe there was any sort of timeline attached to my comment. So please point out where you feel I may be uninformed.
Ford F-250 6.7 Super are you stupid??
@@FordF-Super I see where the confusion came from now. You thought I put '20 for MY-2020, instead of the 20' for 20 feet.
I'm not going to call you stupid, when it's just a misunderstanding on the placement of the " ' ".
Gm all day for me, but I do like front solid axle and winch both nice trucks
I do like that the Ram HD crew cabs are 149" wheel base. Thats not huge. To put that into perspective, my 2014 F150 Supercrew with a 6.5' bed is a 157" WB. And now that GM and Ram have gone to bigger cabs in their 1500's, even those are bigger.
I have a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon for serious off roading. A heavy duty truck is more for towing than anything else, so the GMC is the one that fills that need hands down.
You can get a Power Wagon new right now with all the needed off road goodies but none of the fluff for $47,225. That is the best deal on a dedicated off roader anywhere. You can get a minivan motored Rubicon Gladiator or Wrangler for a few thousand less, but step up to the Ecodiesel and it's $2000 more. The ZR2 Diesel Colorado is $500 more but smaller and no winch. The AT4 even without the diesel and still lacking front lockers and a winch with the most basic possible options except the off road performance package is $9000 more.
Both nice trucks. Prices out of control 70-80k for work truck is stupid.
You can get a base Power Wagon for 50k.
What real world advantage does the AT4 package have over a standard GMC for off road?
My vote goes to the one that has the mechanical transfer case lever. Power Wagon.
Loved that skid plate view and comparison. That should be a part of all of your off road reviews.
Here in saudi Arabia we always go with gmc
But one of the Prince’s has a collection of power wagon including the worlds largest power wagon. Something I would love to see in person.
If we're talking some real off-roading, it's the Power Wagon all day for me. Having front and rear lockers on the Power Wagon just makes a massive difference. I'm not a fan of that G80 auto locker that GM just won't go away from. The Power Wagon also gets you solid axles, disconnecting sway bar, and that factory Warn winch. I hope you put them up against each other on a hairy off-road trail.
Ram HD and Ford Superduty will always beat GM HD trucks off-road due to the straight front axle. Ford owns half ton off-road action with the Raptor.
The Raptor is a class above these two trucks. Although they are both nice trucks, if I wanted a straight off-road truck It would be straight to a Raptor.
And I own a 2019 Ram 1500.
"Potential is interesting... Performance is everything."
Next week we compare the power Wagon to a D9 cat which can out-Tow the Ram by 48 tons, but the D9 has no radio, tires or steering wheel, but 1200 more HP, so we subtracted 4 points from the Ram, let's see if the Ram can compare...why compare disel with non diesel???? Am I missing something here?
GM: our customers are demanding a new interior, just give them more camera views, it will sell! Lol
Actually makes perfect sense. Get everyone looking outside the truck so they don't notice the inside. 🙃
@@thawk1435 lmao true!
ugh same boring interior in my 2018 Chevy Suburban... so over it!
REALLY wish you guys would also point out that you can get the AT4 in a 3500 SRW and quote it's payload and towing capacity.
Also I still don't understand why they classify the Power Wagon as an HD truck, most if not all 1500's have better payload and towing capabilities.
Its the same platform as all the RAM 2500's with different springs and radius arms. You want extreme articulation or do you want payload? Physics are a bitch.
Benefits GM you can get a AT4 in Diesel.
PWagon Ram fans always wanted a Cummins option. Hope they add it
I just seen video of same Power Wagon with 12" screen, same seats final asking price 64, they got it for 53, they all probably have about 10k down at the end of the year
That was the most informational review I’ve ever seen!
Sooooo.... pay no attention to the actual specs. Style points?? Front grill width wins points?? LAME!!!!
And let's give a point to the truck with the smallest tires because the host likes the way they look better
Both very nice & capable trucks. Side-by-side I vote the GMC is the better looking truck.
It doesn’t matter
It’s all on the driver
15:00 There are sedans that have 1100 lbs payload.
there are no sedans with sway disconnect bar system
Motortrend tested them and said they could comfortably do double what the power wagon was rated 4. It also destroyed the gas gm hd's in towing and payload despite being rated for less.
@@ggqbc The same motortrend that couldn't set up a Dyno..... Twice! Please. The truck is rated at what it is. What they think and what's legal are two different things.
@@EGGINFOOLS LOL
Any statement that starts with, “Motortrend says” is automatically negated!
"While Americans can’t seem to get enough of the mid-size pickups from Japanese automakers, they absolutely shun their full-size trucks. According to data from WardsIntelligence, the highest market share Toyota has seen with Tundra was 9.1% and that was in 2007. It currently hovers in the 5% range. It’s even worse for Nissan. The best the Titan was able to muster was 3.5% of the market in 2005. Today it’s at 1.5%. With the Detroit Three commanding 94% of full-size pickup sales this year, it might almost make more sense for Toyota and Nissan to share a large truck platform." Autoline
Hi Andre I just want to know which truck of the big 3 would you buy if you had the $ for any of them base on planning on keeping vehicle for ever so is because it's reliable in motor, transmission. Safety, quality components interior/ exterior meaning you not going to be replacing parts that break easily or worn out prematurely. It's a one time huge investment. Mostly for towing a fithwheel traveling with family????
Hey Guys awesome channels I love all of them! You guys are one of my all time favorite to watch. Keep em coming. I'm undecided in the 1/2 ton pickup and looking to buy in a month or so. In order I was thinking F150 FX4 (3.5 or 5.0-not liking the oil consumption issues plaguing it) RAM Rebel 5.7 (FCA product worries me) and last Chevy/GMC Trail Boss/AT4 6.2L Honestly what do you think is the most dependable one (besides Tundra) of the bunch? I'm in the Chicagoland are, retired Homeland Security. Thanks in advance.
Road racer Tanner Foust just did a 4x4 off road challenge with the ram rebel against a Toyota fj & a Range Rover & the rebel kicked both of these off road trucks asses in not only power but handling the rough stuff in sand rocks boulders & deep water crossings so maybe look it up on here !
Putting a Metal tape measure on the door of a 65k-70k truck 🤔
I’m sure that will buff out.
Who cares he's just trying to show the specs and make a point. But these are off road trucks anyway, not some show trucks, quit crying.
Why would you " disconnect the front sway bar" on the Dodge? Or are you doing that on both?
Only the Dodge has that option & the reason why is if you off road it disconnecting the sway bar in the front allows better articulation of the suspension which in some instances will keep the tire on ground or surface which allows better traction !
I care more about visibility down the hood to obstacles and parking than the big grill points.. so o jectively prefer the ram hood headlight setups to GMC, even if I like the looks of GMC front grill.
I have never had good luck with Rancho shocks, they have always leaked and caused cupping for me. Not sure why GM uses them as their selling point on an "off road" suspension.
Awful shocks. Bilsteins are more expensive, but are definitely superior. Likely outdone only by the latest FOX designs.
I'd go for the power wagon because it's been around for ever and it look cooler 😎
AT4 all the way!
It's WAAAYYY more than a winch that makes the Power Wagon much better off road, and cameras don't have much to do with it either. Door length has little to do with interior space. Measure seat back n dash thickness as well as seat travel too.
I know you have to keep driving impressions to yourself until next year on the Tremor but, this video was mostly done with comparing specs...I know you have a Tremor so, tell me why it wasn't included in this spec v. spec review?
David likely so they could get more views by comparing it in a separate video. This is RUclips, you know.
You can get the Duratrac on the GMC! If you get the 18” rim
I’ve got the AT4 which is NOT as good off-road as my buddy’s power wagon so a bit disappointed cause this isn’t an apples to apples comparison! The AT4’s come with optional 6.6 gasoline motors which is what YOU should’ve compared the Ram 6.4 Hemi to. Rather than comparing the LOADED OUT AT4 diesel to a not fully loaded out gasoline powered Power Wagon. Also, the longer wheel base is horrible for any off-roading which really is a marketing ploy on GM’s part. If you really want to know which is the best HD Off-road capable truck look no further than the over lander club, Ram Power Wagons are without a doubt The Top Choice.
*used to be the top choice
Power Wagon is the benchmark for all others to surpass, but the PW has been proven to be the best throughout time. Upgrades will be coming to put the PW back on top.
When comparing a payload and towing capacity. You can’t test a diesel versus a gas engine. Of course the diesel is gonna pull more.
It looks like there was quite a bit of wear on the Dodge probably accounting for lower tie right. I will use the configurator to see what the GMC comes out to with a gas engine.
For offroad power wagon for sure....softer suspension and more offroad features....lighter weight, shorter wheelbase.....easy choice......
For towing it's GMC...powerwagon is basically a 1500 in terms of towing
Ram and GM both use the same AAM 11.6 rear end...right? Still?
So different diff clearance should be subjective to tire diameter not suspension. So the AT4 must use a taller tire