Only One Rules: Ford F-250 Tremor vs RAM Power Wagon vs GMC Sierra HD AT4 Ultimate Off-Road Test!
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- Опубликовано: 31 янв 2020
- (www.TFLoffroad.com) Can the GMC Sierra Sierra HD and Ram Power Wagon best the Ford F-250 Tremor Off-Road? We compare the three trucks in the snow, mud and rocks to see which is best. 2 of these trucks have new Diesel engines, the Power Wagon has an old school V8 gas engine. But can electronics and limited slips compete with the RAM Power Wagon locking differentials?
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Amazing video guys, just great! Keep doing that great work!
Really??
@Raulmud
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Dodge sucks lol
@@aidenarkham
Sways the chevy owner 😂😂😂
The problem with all three trucks is they're way too expensive! Crazy!
U broke
@@sothickitssickk yes! Wanna lend me 80 thousand? I want the tremor
Paul Condie the power wagon is 64k that’s not a lot for the package
@@austinlheureux4349 prefer the tremor. 64 thousand is more than i paid for my first home! Lol
Those are just the as tested prices. You can get a RAM 2500 Tradesman with the Power Wagon package for closer to $50k if you're willing to do without some interior amenities. Since you want a Tremor though I suggest you take out a second or third mortgage on your house.
Never been a ford guy and I own a ram but that tremor package is pretty dang sweet...
Never been a fan of big torque down low? Just guna stick to the gaz guzzling v8 rams that have to wind up to 4600 RPM to feel any power/torque :D jajajaj u missing out these new ecoboost are fun as hell making make power down low rpm means everyday driving u feel the ford powaaa with the ram u would have to blow a head gasket flooring it all the time to have fun with it
Ya maybe sweet but take the powerjoke out and put in a cummins
The first man to comment is really using ford diesels compared to a hemi, put the Cummins vs the power stroke, Cummins will win any day.
@@Boblovesminecraft02 First guy was talking about the 3.5 Ecoboost that goes toe to toe with the 5.7 Dodge.
@@lolz616 You're comparing a gasoline engine to a diesel engine. Sure they're both 4 strokes but that's like comparing Joe Montana (super human quarterback extrordinare) to Muhammad Ali (quite possibly the best boxer to ever live). Sure, both of them are humans, both excellent athletes but excellent in totally different sports.
That off roading yall did was like my kids playing in a mud puddle
They took it easy because they are all new trucks that are very expensive
Brennan L no the Ford and GMC are over priced and the ram was going tô win but did not whant tô make it unfare
Bruh you literally rip around on a banshee
@@anthonylugo5244 who
@@brennanl4991 why bother then
Picked up my 2022 F250 Tremor diesel in August. Bad Ass. It’s been off-roading, towing, in the snow, in the mud, performing flawlessly. Never been so happy with a truck.
I just git exactly the same truck.❤ Hope to get it muddy soon😂
I like how they call the first test off-roading. That’s just a normal parking lot in Wisconsin. 😂
IKR weak as piss
They are all idiots. TFL needs to update their casting crew
@@maxboya yeah was shithouse, sure don't trash them but seriously they didn't even try it was the lamest thing I have ever seen
@@maxboya jjj ju u
That's what I was thinking.....that's my daily drive to work... In a 2012 E250 cargo van.. no 4x4...
A comparison of the 3 most badass off road trucks in the land, no reason why this video shouldn't get a million views! Great work TFL!
Most badass HD trucks in the land you mean.
I concur with this sentiment. Get this man a cookie !!!!
@@MrSupersaiyangoku 3 cookies lol
@@richfarfugnuven6308 Except there is nothing HD about the Ram specs. Great at offroading - but frankly doesn't match up towing-wise to most 1/2 tons on the market. IMO, that's what makes and HD an HD - and it just doesn't have the goods!
@@JS-um4vr
The only reason for that is the suspension. Airlifter bags and Daystar cradles resolve that. The Power Wagon is the most offroad capable, and about 600 bucks in aftermarket parts brings up its only ailment.
rest of the world: when does the off-road start?
no shit this is weaker than taking the kids to school here in AUS
I love how Andre uses a speed square so as to not appear to be eyeballing it lol
Just made a comment about that. Very easy to be an inch or 2 off and multiplying by 1000,that's a lot. Framers square....🤦♂️
You should do this test in a fwd mini van. Cause that's how serious those "obstacles" were...
well thats probably because none of these trucks are intended to be proper off roaders. The ford especially since the tremor pack is a road pack.
@@newman8r45 So, in your opinion, this video pushed these trucks to their limits? The intent behind my post was simply to state the obstacles here aren't tough for a Kia Spectra, let alone a $60k+ truck marketed as off road capable.
@@Frindleeguy obviously not, but to be fair the majority of the market these trucks fit arent people looking for a qualified off roader.
Im confident the reason why they didnt push the trucks however is because they dont own them, and a heavy truck like these are likely to break from doing any real off-road test.
@@newman8r45 My diesel dually hits trails harder than this weekly. Most everyone with a toy hauler has towed 15-20k+ lbs on trails much rougher than this. What are you even talking about?
@@Frindleeguy "im a smoker whos 90 years old so obviously smoking isnt bad for your health"
Your anecdotal situation doesnt disprove how 3/4 or 1 ton vehicles with the express design of towing domestic loads are not intended for off road abuse.
That wasn’t a test. Come on boys 4wheel those bad boys
EXACTLY...
they can only do some much when they are rentals
They aren’t rock crawlers
That's what I was thinking. The dirt road to my house is more extreme than any of this.
$75+k trucks? Nope.
The most comprehensive truck review i have seen. Excellent review. Great work! Cheers!
Love your videos, they are helping me pass this quarantine 😉
Tire plug kit! Easiest fix ever! I just taught my daughter just the other day how to plug a tire
When I married my Wife she didn't know how to check the oil or read how much gas in the SUV. LOL!!
Yep and virtually free to fix. The tire shops try to say u have to patch it but ive plugged 50 + tires without a single problem for 100s of 1000 miles
Legend says, that sway bar still tries to disconnect....
mar7739 legend says, still waiting on that G80
I believe you are supposed to be stationary when disconnecting the sway bar and he clearly was moving when trying to disconnect it. He was stationary on the first test and had no problems.
@@twadney I don't know, maybe, my post was humorous. However previous Wranglers (JK Rubicons) had big problems with that sway bars.
And on very still nights in Snowab, if you listen carefully as the cold wind blows, you can still hear that very same sway bar - still trying to disconnect! I want my articulation...
@@mar7739 I have a 19 Power Wagon, you can't be moving when you want to disengage it.
It would be nice to have a host of real off road options to select from the dealer to be installed and under factory warranty.
You guys are great, thanks for this video! I currently drive an old 2003 F250 V -
10. That tremor is looking pretty sweet...but 78k 😱
You'd love the advancements in features/tech + better MPGs in new F150. Trust me on that. All i buy is F150s. Owned last 3 Gens. Phenomenal trucks that are still benchmark of the class. Ordered a '23 F150 XLT Tremor cream cab w/5.0L Coyote V8. Will drive it 10-12yrs or more.
Order to spec mine was $57k before any rebates!
Stick with the old 250.👍
The nail appears to have a philips screw head pattern....
One of them phillips head nails. You have to drive them in with a phillips head hammer.
🤣
means you have to use philips nail puller
It's the new Phillip's Tire Nail. You can get them in Colorado, especially made for Andre Popov.
@@gen-x-zeke8446
Correct, I live in Colorado and all of our houses are made with phillips head nails. That way the hooligans can't steal our doors and sell them for weed money.
Ford Tremor has 35 inch tires and the most power out of all 3 and still got 19.2 mpg! #1
only one that got good mpg with solid axles lol not much point comparing them when its the clear winner
@@Tanner731 Definetly
One is an offroad legend with proper running gear, the other two are regular trucks with bigger tires, rear lockers, and fancy looks. I'm sure the other two are nice trucks and all, BUT THE POWERWAGON DON'T CARE!.
@@WilliamStewart1 my gas tank cares tho
@@Tanner731 bro powerwagon has solid axles too lmao
Love watching you guys!!! Thanks fellas! Stay safe out there!
This is great. Awesome quality video and content. Keep me coming !
In other words, we want to keep getting trucks from these three manufacturers, so they all win!!!!!!!!
Damn those phillips head nails....
Lol
its a robertson head
You can't can't get any better than this comparison. Very nice.
At this point , its all personal preference. All 3 will do the same thing and more than the normal driver will ever buy it for. Great video..
Awesome video guys! I really appreciate the time you put in to these reviews! You have stepped up the game and are setting the bar in my opinion.
You guys have the crawl ratio to tire size backwards.
Blake I bet the gas engine idles higher than the diesels.
@@jrhunt414 at red lights on inclines I never have to use my brake, in my '16 Power Wagon , never rolls backward. mostly never ;) people in back of me must shit themselves, but Power Wagon don't care
Yes!! Bigger tires should speed up crawl not slow it down.
@@jrhunt414 I 100% agree the idle speed was the deciding factor, but to be fair the test should have been run on flat smooth ground to eliminate all variables.
The computer in the Power Wagon increases the idle speed when in low range to help maintain smoother forward speed when rock crawling. I find it irritating. The diesels probably idle at least 20% lower (of course they won't spin up to 6k rpm either)
Watch out for that craaaazy 4” step guys!!! Wheeew luckily that beefed up off road suspension handled it like a pro. 👌🏻
The only in class and the king off road worthy Ram Power Wagon. 👊💪💪
@@tiff3253 What are you doing here?
75 PSI in the rear tires on the Ford?? Seems a bit excessive for off-road driving...
Itd be better to lower it but i think they where just going on factory settings.
Issue with duratracs...they don't last long at all on a super duty
Excellent review Guys. I really appreciate the different view points and information and the amount of time and work that it takes to get these videos to us. Is it possible to do another test with the Ford 7.3 and GMC gas . I believe the lighter weight of the gas motors would make both the Ford and GMC compete a little better off road. This way we could also see the fuel economy in comparison. Keep up the great work
I wish, fact is they get what they get from the manufacturer and say thank you. Kinds crazy as the gas model is going to lighter and perform much better off road. You would think the manufacturer would do everything they could to help but...
not really with the Ford. They wanted it to do off road but also haul your camper....its a balance between both worlds. I can appreciate that. Out where we are it does matter. Its nice to have a good 4x4 that can actually do work in sticky situations. I dont know anyone who buys trucks who actually gets a Power Wagon unless its a kid., (FWIW, I do have a PW.....of course mine is a 1968 W200 with a slant six)
I want to see a towing review with the dodge hd duramax and ford f250 all deleted
These 3 guys are the best source of information !!
"I set it at 2 miles per hour...so everyone can see me" I see you Andre lol nice reference!
It's good to see you guys doing this in the snow, makes it more challenging . ( Good Video)
I put my truck through tougher situations than that, just going to work each morning! Lol
What about turning radius for these three trucks? Also, I'm impressed with the PWs MPG. Thank y'all for that.
Always been a Ford guy for obvious reasons..they are usually the best overall trucks & most dependable. We will stick w/our F150 Tremor & new Ranger FX4. No reason to change! Maybe an F250 in future. Keep it "All American" trucks!
That intro was awesome! You guys aren’t messing around! The best quality cinematography and content!
I understand that the weather limited what you could do but calling that an "Ultimate Off-Road Test" is just a tad disingenuous...
I’m a Ford guy through and through. My 17 F250 is an amazing truck. I love the new gmc at4 exterior, slap the Ram interior with the at4 exterior and the Ford powertrain and that’s my perfect build.
I couldn’t agree mkre
Best video of yours I've watched. Reminiscent of a top gear episode. Loved it.
Ford ❤️
That particular Tremor package looks REALLY good
Mark Jones so refreshing compared to all the old man chrome Ford has been putting out
It *SHAKES* all over the road horrid front end and the worst truck all marketing hype!
I 100% agree, i cannot believe a oem truck has 1k plus tq factory
@@mt1885 you drive one?
Best truck videos, hands down. You set the standard.
This channel just keeping getting better
im supposed to be getting my daughter ready for iceskating, but im getting yelled at cause im watching TFL.
APGJuggernaut it’s just skating , the ice is implied
Unless your going asphalt skating...in that case good luck 😂
@@chrisnewby5713 Or roller skating. Honestly im just used to saying ice skating
I admire your priorities, sir.
Honestly this is one of my favorite videos you all have done so far. Really great comparisons between the HDs. Love it when the manufacturers give what you ask for at the right time!
Man, that music segment in the beginning was killer! I happily own a 03 Tacoma TRD Off Road Pre Runner and I love it! Only wish I had just a tad more HP and Torque coming from that I4
Listening to coheed and cambria in the Ram. Hell yeah. My favorite album by them too.
One of your best videos yet!! Thank you for bringing us this comparison!! Bang on as I consider my next truck purchase!!
All are great, Ford Tremor just has the extra wow factor and extra polish with that magical powertrain
"lowest crawl ratio, this isn't how this works" as his idle is 4-600rpms higher
Had a chuckle at them thinking it was due to tire size. A bigger tire increase crawl speed. It doesn’t lower it
Tremor gets my vote for best truck for my purposes. I had a 1977 K5 383 stoker for years but it shook my teeth out on the trail far more than what any of these guys experienced.
until you try to work that tremor and the 10 speed explodes
@@Barefoot-Bob parroting your mom's bedtime stories?
@@sly9263 ya we had a fleet of them in line const . high failure rate , but ya you read something on the internet or your a straight up fan boy so I'm sure you know more than a person who lives it.
@@Barefoot-Bob lmfao I have visibility to 60% of govt fleets in the country and can see data on all PMs and service. Youre talking nonsense
@@sly9263 lol a bureaucrat! and everyone wonders why this country is going to shit. So now you propose to tell me what i see and dealt with. and the best part is "govt fleets". you truly have me laughing ! let me explain I'm talking about trucks that have to do REAL work . I understand that is a foreign concept for you .
thanks for mentioning the ground clearance caveat with the power wagon. kinda bugs me they are even still marketing this "body clearance" number.
Awesome video! Like I said previously, you guys are THE authority when it comes to ANYTHING pickup truck!
That being said, all these trucks are impressive. I was impressed with the Power Wagon's fuel economy, the GM's RTI with IFS, and Ford's overall package.
What a time to be an offroad pickup fan!
Why do I keep watching TFLTruck? Because you guys always seem to be having fun and really enjoying what you do. More smiles per hour!!!! Thanks again!
Not really….
That was a great comparison. Glad I watched
You guys just continue to get better and better! Love the videos. Keep up the great work fellas.
Tfl you guys are on it this Saturday nice review
What a cop-out, don't give a trophy to all three for participating! We spend nearly 40 minutes watching and that's the answer we get
Great video and good comparison of technology
You should really have helmets on for that EXTREME off-roading. Haha
And full driving suits
For these trucks, this is extreme off roading lmao.
It wasn't even rough idiot lmao
@@kdmtrap7268 you're not much for sarcasm are you? Lmao
You can literally do mostly all of that shit in a Kia, how embarrassing
Great video guys. As always very entertaining and informative.
Great review/video! Thanks!
TFL has done a good job building their channel, and a little bit of of tests that I didn't know existed with 80,000$ trucks....
The new 7.3l is getting a ton of attention lol
Interested to have the fuel cost calculated when doing the MPG test comparing Gas vs Diesel. Cost at the pump is probably more important to actual comsumers.
My fiancé and I drove through this area during this storm as well! We were headed from Pagosa Springs to Washington .
Do you guys usually run your snow/mud and off-road tests with full tire pressure?
So... I'm impressed with all of the mileage numbers. All 3 exceeded my expectations. That's awesome.
Yea, good gas mileage for big honking trucks. One thing everyone needs to keep in mind before they pick on the ram for fuel mileage is that the diesels make up for the low cost at the pump when it comes repair time. The cost of maintenance and repair on a diesel drivetrain is awful compared to a regular gas engine. I like a gas engine truck for the practicality.
@@appalachianpatriot183 no argument there. Diesel fuel would have to be 1/2 the price of gas to make it even… so it seems.
You guys need to realize that the larger Tire actually is a disadvantage when figuring crawl ratios. For every rotation of the tire you travel further. Andre needs to do a little research
Exactly what I was thinking ! I can't believe none of these guys thought about that... A smaller tire would actually act as a reduction ratio factor, not the opposite like they're saying ! What about idle engine RPM, that makes a huge difference as well !
What did you expect from these guys lol
It is all about where your torque converter starts to engage. Not a shock that it hits at lower rpm in a diesel.
@@10dannyp89 good explanation, thanks for bringing that up !
@@10dannyp89
To an extent, yes, but a torque converter doesn't ever actually disengage. The stall speed is the point of maximum torque transfer, but as long as the impeller is spinning, the turbine will be under load and trying to spin. The gas engine, with its higher idle, would actually put the most power through the converter at idle.
I absolutely love this channel
All 3 these trucks need to revisit this challenge in the spring when Moab is dry, and take them to the Golden crack, Hell's Gate, anything besides fins n things.
In order to disconnect the sway bar you need to rock the truck from side to side not forward to back, the mechanism is bound up from the weight of the truck and the actuator that pushes the plunger to disengage the sway bar is spring loaded so it will pop out as soon as pressure is relieved.
I love when Andre says "torque."
And Toyota lol
@@rexcarlson3464 or Djuramex.....which is interesting to me, because i'm from middle Europe and we have soft D, T, and this i never happens to me, but i do other English mishaps, some people laugh, whatever, i'm just glad they happy :)
When did they start making nails with philips heads?...
Would it be any less flat if he had said screw?
Krane, yes it would make a difference ... wow dude, I was being sarcastic. Who really cares if he said thumb tac?!
@@krane15 No, but it would've went flatter quicker.
That made me laugh
great video...better drama than hollywood fiction. Love your videos...TFL BABY !!!
DANG I LOVE THESE VIDEOS, Saturday morning enjoyment great work team
Thank you for watching!
Excellent video Roman n Andre n Stephen.. I like the AT4 Truck..thanks again guys..excellent content today
Picking up my AT4 tomorrow
THAT FORD 😍😍😍😍 HOT DAMN THATS A NICE TRUCK
it's fantastic! i love mine
Power wagon needs to get 35in tires from the factory. Even if they need to add another inch of lift
35s fit easily with no lift. 37s fit with no lift and different wheels or trimming. 39s will even fit with wheels and more trimming.
most guys switch those 33's out right away, now I want 37"s
wirebrush still need to be that way from the factory tho
@@toofastnobrakes roll stability is why they are so small they have to pass the elk test now days
So ur gas goes to 10mpg vs 12?
That's a really good point Andre!!!
I’m my dodge you have to put it in neutral to lock it, I wonder if it’s the same for the sway bar?
I challenge TFL to put that Tremor against my PowerWagon. Throw some 37 inch Milestar Patagonias on your Tremor and tell me where we can meet to do a head to head trail challenge. With that said, great video guys!! And THANKS for the hat the other day!
There is a couple things a little off with the Power Wagon test,
1) Sway bar disconnect failure could've been dealt with by giving the truck a gentle rocking side to side. A 3 mph roll and using a little left to right action on the steering wheel will do, or just drive it over anything uneven, it will go. If the bar has any load, it won't disengage until pressure is neutralized. No issue when you understand that simple trick. It took me a while to figure that one out, LOL. Yes, as Andre said, the PowerWagon RTI would've been even better had the bar been disengaged.
2) The crawl speed test was, really, bunk because the Power Wagon is the ONLY vehicle there that is 'programmed and designed' to raise the engine rpm idle speed while in 4 low, and consequently the speed test would've been more accurate had all 3 trucks been in high range. This 'rpm increase' feature is actually a huge benefit for climbing and makes crawling "up" and then over larger rocks to be smoother without the erratic herky jerkyness and belly damage that heavier diesel trucks tend to have as they spool up turbo power and then end up bouncing harder over rocks. Obviously in 4 low with no brake application and increased rpms, the Wagon will go faster than the other trucks on the flat, but up a steep hill you'd find that the Wagon will feel more planted and controlled, making it a better OFFROADER. I have always liked the fact that my Power Wagon increases its rpms in 4 low, and also while running the winch, and while jump starting other vehicles. It shouldn't be shown as a disqualification as the video suggests. With brake pedal application, it makes navigating over larger rocks and ditches a dream. For an example of this, it was illustrated by Steven in the TFL "GM vs RAM" video that you published 2 months ago at about 8 minutes and 40 seconds in to the video where Steven locked the Power Wagon axles and crawled out of the ditch with NO throttle and he then chuckled that it was so easy. More reasons why, to me, the Power Wagon is a 'more capable' OFFROADER, and remains supreme. Just please get RID of those 33 inch tires! LOL
But again, as always, GREAT video guys!!! Always love your mashups, reviews, content and info! The smart alek in me says, for a real test on that GMC, go stick it under some guys fifth wheel camper (cuz it's good for that) and then go put some 37s on the Tremor and go climb heart attack hill over at Kelly Flats up West of Ft Collins in rd 14 against my 2016 Power Wagon with 37 inch Patagonias and almost 90000 miles on it. Just say when, and I'd LOVE to meet u there or anywhere. I don't have an 8 speed nor do I have so deep a crawl ratio as the newer PowerWagon in your video, but i bet a hundred bucks that my old truck would do Heart Attack easier than that Tremor would. I forgot to say, u better put sliders on that Ford or it WILL likely get rocker panel damage. Lol, I destroyed my nerfies there. You know ALL them Ford guys would like to see me get wiped by that Tremor! Eh? Eh? Eh, any Tremor takers??? Come on TFL 👀
"and there is snow up there." points up to a bare mountain.
A beautiful movie! Thanks for your job!
Excellent longer video 👍...
What’s the US cost of diesel and urea compared to unleaded to fuel cost per mile, would also be interesting to take servicing costs into account of diesel ownership.
Been waiting patiently for this one for a while...
The Tremor package needs to be available in extended or even regular cabs. Kinda strange Ford doesnt offer those configurations.
Yea but you can't lie It looks sexy with that configuration
@@logankeim579 It does look good, but having a shorter wheelbase and shorter overall length would be nice from an off-road standpoint, as well as having the package available on slightly less expensive cab and bed configurations.
Alan Bowers I hope they add it to the F-150 this year
I think they wanted to see how popular the package was before they roll it out to other configs
@@thehunter9149 I liked the old Tremor package they had (street based). But an FX4+ type Tremor package would be cool to see as well.
Ngl I love the look on all these trucks and they all have their ups and downs and pros and cons
You guys did amazing but I do have a question is why couldn't the sway bar disconnect on the power wagon if you don't mind me asking?
Great content thanks for your marvellous efforts ❤❤❤❤
I wish GM and Ford still had a manual 4x4 shifter like the dodge does.
You can get that as an interior option. Also manual locking hubs it still a thing for ford as well
Agreed. 4 on the floor just feels right
I love ram trucks
I have a power wagon myself. The power wagon is the only one that still has the mechanical linkage for the transfer case. The other rams may have the level but it's still electric shift
The st have floor shift manual
How can you compare the gas and two diesel? And why not use the diesel 2500 ram or are they not off road capable?
Your all videos are so amazing good keep it up👌👌👌👌👌
DODGE=have some fun
GMC=luxury, precision beauty
FORD=hard working, reliable power
Which one do you have
wtf are you saying these type of comments are so cringy
I have an old ford, look around, company's such as centurylink, amazon, ups and fedex use ford vehicles or engines, gmc/chevy vehicles are used as transportation for high class people and dodge is for the guys racing down the street in their 07 hemi/cummins
@This username there truck line up, xl and xlt have plastic interior
@@megaxboxx ok
Andre, those RTI scores are really inaccurate. Please get a proper "square" that can run the entire distance, instead of that 3 inch thing, your hand is moving all over the place and that will change the measurement by several inches one way or the other.
Yeah. The tremor was at least an inch further back than his measurement
John Smith he should have had a level or plumb bob
@@powerwagon3731 A contractor grade framing square is all you need. Plumb line or level is still more guessing or just takes longer.
www.amazon.com/Stanley-45-011-Contractor-Aluminum-Rafter/dp/B00002X2HF
Yup, where's your framing square? All the effort to build the RTI ramp and then eyeballing the measurements with a small speed square....Yikes
AAA has the F250 as the most reliable vehicle - not just truck - in the USA for the 8th straight year. It can't be beat. The 2021 models have some crazy upgrades too! No other major truck has self parking either (Platinum only atm)
Thanks for your great content. Could you please make a comparison between ford tremor 2022 vs ram 1500 mild-hybrid bighorn off-road 2022?