I learn something new everyday. Like that I speak Chinese. LOL. I am joking. I actual am from US and watched a ton of Serpenza. He has talked about the cultural differences. I try to look at various cultures, as to broaden my understanding of different people of the world. Something most people do not do, including other Americans. By seeing and understanding these differences makes us all more understanding and excepting of others.
This episode is really interesting because it covers a lot of vocab about touchy or taboo topics, which of course you wouldn't often hear elsewhere precisely because they are taboo.
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I enjoy all the videos on this channel, but I especially enjoy the videos of conversations between Eileen and Kirk. These are so insightful and interesting. The topics are well-covered, providing a glimpse into the minds of the Chinese community. I hope that misunderstandings and stereotypes, such as the ones discussed here and in other videos, will soon be dismantled. Thank you, Mandarin Corner, for all the hard work that goes into preparing interesting and informative content.
Great video! I'm American and the biggest thing I had to deal with in China is that everyone thought I was rich! I had to explain to them that most Americans "look" rich but in reality so many of us are in a huge amount of debt and have very little money. That there are a lot of poor people in America. And that there are LOTS of homeless people living in slums. I tried to teach them to not believe the American movie and tv shows. In reality, many typical Chinese people and Americans are the same - we don't live in big homes, we try and save money, etc.
This conversation is amazing! I'm only halfway through it and there's already so many good points and useful vocab. Kudos Mandarin Corner, I'm so happy to be one of your patrons. Keep up the good work!
很有意思！谢谢你！I think your conversation partner was very smart about unwrapping these stereotypes. Rather than just scratching the surface, you went deep to try understand the core. Like with all stereotypes. They have some true in them. But they can be misleading because you zoom in to a small piece of the big picture. Sure some men go to China for obedient woman. But I think a lot of people go because China is such an interesting country (esp. from a western perspective). Because you were isolated for such a long time. Customs and behaviours grew in such a different way. That is why it was very interesting to see the 'Chinese' perspective in opening up to the world. Sometimes your values match way better with a part of the westerners. We can learn a lot from each other. We can learn more about respect and form a strong collective as a nation. The Chinese maybe about critic. Which is more a tool to improve than try to make people loose face. Again thank you!
This video was too politically correct so let me tell the hard truth that people know but don't say openly. Men do not go to china for an obedient women, men go to china to sleep with chinese women because chinese women think foreigners are more attractive than chinese men especially white men. The idea that chinese people think all foreigners have blonde hair and blue eyes is just a lie. It would be more accurate to say they are aware of all people but they find people with blonde hair and blue eyes the most attractive. Chinese women just don't want to be shamed for admitting that they think white people are more attractive or that part of them wishes they were white but they cannot hide their beliefs, you can just observe their actions. Whenever a white man is in china, many chinese woman approach the white man, asking for hugs, pictures, and to sleep together. You are more likely to see a white man walking around with multiple girls around him than a chinese man with multiple girls around him. Not only that, it is more likely for a chinese woman to approach a white man than a chinese man in china. Also the white man can earn much less than the chinese man and still sleep with hundreds of chinese women ( this is not a joke, it really is in the hundreds and if you don't believe me go speak to a white man traveling to china for the purpose of sleeping around) a good example is the youtuber Serpentza who used to teach english in china. Serpentza taught english in china for a while than he had a child with one of his own students. This behavior is generally not tolerated especially in the west but the problem is you cannot blame the men when it's actually the women that are pursuing and initiating this behavior. Normally in china teaching english is a low paying job and a chinese woman would pretty much never date a man (especially a chinese man) that makes so little money but because they think white men are better than chinese men they can overlook this shortcoming and instead the tradeoff is that they get to brag that they have a foreigner particularly a white male because you clearly don't see chinese women running to black men. Also in china they prefer to hire english teachers that are white men and won't even hire chinese americans who are fluent in english even if their english is perfect. It's also very common for these english teachers to sleep around with the students and other teachers but only if the english teacher is a white man, and this is so well known in america that white men make sure to tell other white men on the internet that if they want to get laid and treated like kings they can just teach english in china. Here are some other actions that allude to the fact that chinese women view white men as better than chinese men. They prefer to speak english and not only that they usually learn english with another european language like italian or french and sometimes they brag that its better than their own chinese language. All chinese women think the best type of clothing style, fashion is european fashion, you can see they spend much more money on european products and go out of their way to travel to european or white dominant countries. When a chinese women leaves china with a white man she pretty much will never go back to live in china, she will only go back for family and thats just direct family like mother, father, sister. Alot of women that leave china never want to go back and this affects the nation because not only does it decrease the chinese population in china, it slowly destroys the community because now a system is created where chinese women will stay single well into their 30's "waiting" for the right partner but what they really mean is that they do not want to be with an unattractive chinese man they would rather be single, make money and then eventually either run into a white man in china or travel abroad and find a white man there. Many chinese women do this today and with the internet, social media, dating apps its become easier. If a chinese woman can not find a white man she will than go to a sperm bank and ask to be impregnated with sperm from a white man and raise the child by herself instead of trying to find a chinese husband. People know this but since this issue is such a sensitive topic it would be like the biggest elephant in the room to try to have a discussion of how chinese women would rather marry a white man or be a single mother than marry a chinese man. Also look in chinese television. The foreigners in chinese television are white men and women and the men are usually using their whiteness to achieve fame. It's become clear that if that white man had been an asian person he would not even get noticed. These social dynamics are a very big reason as to why chinese society is fractured with a dying culture. China now is just a reflection of western society, its culture is being destroyed and replaced with heavy western influences. Even if china has been isolated for many years, this doesn't effect human behavior because human behavior is universal. For example any society you are in, the people that are considered beautiful get a different type of treatment than the ugly people. This behavior is easily seen when it comes to fashion, media & marketing, even dating life as you can see how chinese women treat white men like kings but treat asian men like an item at a supermarket. It would be much better to lose face and have an actual honest discussion but chinese women are not even ready for that because they benefit from this system and they don't care about chinese men they only care about themselves, their own looks, and wanting to be white so badly they would give up their own culture and people. The irony is when they have children and their son ends up looking chinese and ugly. When these chinese women have children with white men where the child looks asian the chinese women is extremely disappointed, that's why many chinese women with white men express how they prefer a daughter because once they have a son they have to face the reality of how they have been marginalizing their own sons themselves from their own choices. Imagine being a chinese woman with a white man and a very asian looking mixed child. The child grows up and is trying to understand why he struggles with relationships in society and has difficulty connecting with other chinese women. As the son grows older and pays more attention he starts to notice a pattern that chinese women treat white men differently and then he realizes, his own mother is with a white man and everything starts to make sense. The son realizes he will never live up to a chinese woman's expectations of masculinity and attractiveness because his own mother's relationship reinforces the idea that he is undesirable. This really does destroy society and it's become quite clear chinese women don't care about the future at all. Look at all the chinese women that travel to study now, they travel to europe, america, australia and they usually never want to come back. They make excuses saying chinese men are "feminine", small, quiet, shy when they don't ask themselves a simple question. What type of reaction do you expect when you see all these women leaving their own country and people for foreigners only because they have better eyes, better hair, better bodies, etc? If you think western society respects china you are living a fairytale story. Western society only wants chinese women. Just look at western society and show me how many foreign men are in western society media, pop culture, music, fashion, art, etc. I already know this is going to go way past mandarin corners head because at the end of the day she is a chinese woman but Kirk probably sees what Im talking about.
@@tonylee1393 stop worrying my friend, white people are on the verge of extition. It is not the people of China who are disappearing from the face of the Earth.
@@tonylee1393 as in so many stereotypes there is also some truth in your analyses, but as in so many stereotypes there is also a lot of prejudices and misconceptions in your analyses
I think the topic of Chinese thinking foreigners look down upon them is a kind of unconscious reveal of how they see others, like less developed minorities or south East Asians, which Chinese look down upon. So they think this is how others see them.
Wow, this podcast was really really good. Im a Canadian born Chinese who is trying to improve my Chinese and I was pleasantly surprised and fascinated at the subjects you guys talked about in this podcast. At home I rarely discuss these topics with my family (I speak Mandarin at home) so it's refreshing to listen to native Chinese people talk about these sociological topics and how they differ between countries. I also just watched Shang-Chi a few days ago so when you guys brought it up it surprised me a little since this video came out in 2019 lol
Greetings from Dali! There is so much about this that is helpful! Thank you for helping me understand how we (foreigners) are viewed, and where this originated. Also - it is a great way for me to practice my listening skills - thanks!!! Keep the videos coming!
This video is definitely painting Chinese men in a more positive light than what I've seen on a few documentaries. These documentaries had shedded light on domestic violence, and how men have unrealistic expectations of women. How they want a young and pretty girl, while they're 10 times her senior without many teeth left in their mouths, amongst other issues. Regardless of that, this is great content, and I'll definitely pay for the lifetime subscription. Your channel is one of a kind! Please touch on subjects such as: Healthy eating and exercise. Global Warming and Pollution. Crime and homelessness In China. Astrology - Talk about the planets, alignment of stars, horoscopes and etc. Witchcraft - for the Harry Potter Fans Book discussions. The history of the Qipao, binded feet, white powder makeup, and etc. Anything about the culture. Everything About all of the Dynasties. Anything about science and scientific discoveries. What it's like to study in China, etc. Please add more variety to your channel.
You are doing such an amazing job recording these materials! At HSK4 level, I find these are just perfect - enough familiar vocabulary for me not to get totally lost, but lots of new useful words and phrases too! And the topic is fascinating, too - this is something that perhaps is a little difficult to talk about, and a Chinese friend might not open up fully about this to a Westerner (just my assumption), so I feel like I'm eavesdropping in a way.... getting an insight into the culture and mentality, not just the language. Thank you so much!
Spitting is considered unsanitary in the US and Europe. It's was one of the ways that tuberculosis was spread during the 19th and early 20th centuries. If you are spitting in the street you are possibly guilty of spreading a highly contagious disease. Among some of the tribes of Africa notably the Maasai of Kenya and Tanzania, however, spitting is a form of greeting, similar to saying hello, but also very polite and formal.
I'm laughing so much at this "the American teacher was only pretending to be enthusiastic" "why is she so tired?" lol because living and working in China exhausts you. hahaha I teach at a public elementary school in China and there are 50 kids in a class. Of course after class your not going to be enthusiastic to everyone.
Foriegners were not always as open and free as you might think. When l was a young man growing up in Sydney Australia , we too were conservative. However ' as time went on , we became more and more open to almost all things' from the way we dress to our lifestyles to sex . In fact almost everything as we once knew it changed with time.. In my country its called progress, times change and if we did'nt progress along with it ' ' we get left behind. Listening to this , l cant help thinking China is also changing and are where we were 20 years ago..
Most Chinese think foreign men are playboys. But I can tell you from my experience that many Chinese guys want western girls for 'fun' because they are more outgoing and wild than Chinese girls (although this is actually changing). But yeah, the western girls don't want them back. I have many Chinese male friends who are married (one of them is from Tibet!) and who STILL want western girls or other Chinese girls as a lover. Dig deeper into the Chinese culture and yeah, you'll see a whole different perspective one you get to know the Chinese people more. Concubines, mistresses, girlfriends etc have always been embedded into Chinese culture, even right back when younger girls were used as slaves for the emperor -- literally hundreds of them. Great learning content yet again, Mandarin Corner :D
I started listening to these, right at the beginning, when I didn't understand a word, but I think that they helped me to get the pronounciations right!💪
"觉得" 那个词儿 used 91 times 😂 ... amazing podcast as always, and in combination with your website the best resource for learning Chinese I've ever seen. You guys are the GOAT !
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Hi Eileen Thank you again so much for an other video !! Its so helpfull, and I enjoy to learn Chinese this way. I'm almost going to China for a few weeks....and definitly will try to speak Chinese. For sure I will recommend other people who are learning Chinese to go to your website. Maybe we will meet ach other in China😃 Greetings
If all you know of "foreigners" is what you see in Western media and Hollywood movies, then you will have a stereotype of an extrovert. If all you see is artificial drama, then you will think all Westerners are "dramatic".
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This is so awesome. What you are doing is amazing. Sometimes the slow reading speed of the HSK resources is a bit frustrating. Just wondering what HSK level would you roughly sit this episode at? (HSK 4 perhaps?)
Zara's model is a hot girl. I do not why some complained about freckles, some people find it a peculiarity and even sexy, not a defect, it seemed like an excuse to boycott a foreign brand, therefore probably was started by people owning Chinese brands. Great audio-video, Thanks.
The term 失败者 for foreigners going to China I think it comes from the fact that some foreigners meet other foreigners in China and sometimes they are really weird. I met a couple guys and we went to a bar and they told me the term losers back home or LBHs. It’s like they come to China because in China people treat you special cause you’re a foreigner and they don’t want to go back home because they are weird and no one likes them. So they stay in China because they feel more accepted there. I think it’s a long these lines. Unfortunately because they’re usually kind of weird they give a bad name to their home countries (like a lot of pediphiles from Australia go to south east Asia to live out their fantasies and because of this they give us Australians a bad image).
Such a good video... Thank you 😊.. I am hoping that as we all get to know each other a bit more that stereotypes become a thing of the past. There are good and bad people in all areas of the globe, romanticising one race, culture etc, only leads to disappointment 😔.. So my love for the East isn't blinded by thinking only good people live there, human nature is human nature world wide. Stereotyping serves only to diminish individuality :( ...anyway, I'm so excited to travel China over the next few years, I will go with an open mind and heart ♥
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Hi Eileen, if possible can you interview some Taiwanese? For some reason, I can understand China Mandarin but I have some trouble understanding Taiwanese talkshows etc
Me as so called “foreigner” in China do have complaints but not because of some problems that China has which any other country has too,but because people getting angry at you when you trying to talk about those problems and keep telling you that China is the best country in the world
As a foreigner who has lived in China for over four years, and in Japan for about the same time, I often felt that I was being covertly monitored and evaluated and that any action I might make could easily end up becoming an example for defining foreigners' character and behavior. My evaluators' judgements were quickly and simply determined and very superficial. They were certain in their assessments, smug and condescending. I felt exhausted being around these kinds of people.
This is why soft power is so important. people abroad have good images in their mind for Americans. Meanwhile China has poor soft power, and they're purposefully poorly represented, at least the men, and the westerner's image of Asians are underwhelming.
Regarding the bargaining, it's necessary! The Chinese do it, not to mention white foreigners are automatically given the white foreigner price. You'd be foolish to pay ten times the normal price, especially when you are earning a maximum of twice what the average local earns (and possibly far less than other university educated locals thanks to exploitative business practices)! Thankyou Eileen, for your really interesting videos! They provide a great cultural insight as well as invaluable language practice.
PS. As for me, I went to China for the experience. Even though I earned more than my Chinese colleagues (which is unfair), I earned less than a quarter of what I was earning back home (if Chinese businesses paid foreigners from wealthier countries any less, they probably wouldn't come. So although it's an inequitable practice to pay people of different nationalities different amounts for doing the same job, I can see why they do it. Obviously it makes sense for the business to hire people they can pay less... But often they get around it by promising more, and then not delivering. They deceive you in order to get you to sign the contract and then to cancel your visa if you complain that they are not sticking to their side of the agreement). Anyway, I definitely wasn't there for the money. Apart from dishonest employers and bureaucratic related struggles, I really enjoyed my experience in China! It's best to break away from the expat groups if you want to make the most of your experience. The Chinese people are generally way more hospitable and accepting of foreigners (and their habits) than the other way around. I'm surprised at how favourable the outlook is towards foreigners, and how accommodating the Chinese are (especially considering some of the very bad behaviour, i.e. disregarding of the rules/laws, excessive drinking, predatory sexual practices, lack of respect, unwillingness to integrate, and constant complaining from some foreigners). If you abide by the adage "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" you will endear yourself to the locals, in time. Just as in any other country. Respect the locals and their customs, laws, etc. and you will be well received.
15:31 Ha! Not in traditional christian communities. It's not a matter of eastern or western, asian or white. It's a matter of choosing morals based purely on tradition or based on rational logical analysis.
Very common observations. Latino: "Hi, Mrs. Wang, My name is...... with........Inc." Mrs. Wong: (Ignoring the intro) "Jose, comm hee-ah, Kleen hee-ah." BTW, Jose was not the name the Latino introduced himself, and he is not a Janitor either. 华人: "Amigo" comm comm hee-ah. Latino: 第一我不是你的朋友 第二我认识你，你不认识我。为什么叫我朋友 Latino departing airplane after chatting with an elderly Chinese lady. Chinese not related to her: "Aren't you her caregiver?" Latino: 干嘛 The Latino is not her caregiver, but the Chinese assumed he was the "Help."
Yesterday I told this chinese lady who owns restaurant. 饿死我了。 also when she gave me the total I said 太贵了。打折吗。。。。因为我说特别好。 可以吗。 I also learned 外买 from her. I know she was asking to go or eat here even though I didnt know word for word what she's saying. Outside buy ...... to go order. Makes sense to me. Then for my drink order I say 喝酒!! She laughed. But she seemed a nice person and in a good mood so it was a good conversation. Then we said goodbye and I say 加油 . Lol I love that word. I was about halfway into hsk 4 before I took last 3 months off. I think I sound like I know more then I do. I do a good impersonation of Chinese pronunciation from mimicking Chinese Netflix shows. I know alot of random nonsense but I'm not shy and I try and be personable and funny which helps conversations. So I can throw out some filler or one liners . And while they give a response or laugh I'm thinking about what I really wanted to say cause I need afew extra seconds to gather my thoughts. Just go to Chinese restaurant more often and treat it like a dialogue from a book just in real life. I mean u can think up some filler or funny things to say for a restaurant setting. It's a pretty standard experience. Greetings. Menu. Drink . Order eat . They check on u afew times. Ask for check . Pay. Say goodbye. There's plenty to learn and think about what to say beforehand. And if u can learn a new word awesome. Cause you'll have a memory to go along with the word. Helps make the new word stick. I'm just rambling maybe itll help a fellow learner
I always considered myself weird with the shower thing because what I do is I take a full shower in the morning and then I take a smaller shower during the day just to wake myself up and get off any sweat from the night
Besides the native population of the west most are white those that are not white are either immigrants or the next generation of immigrants so technically it's correct to think most are white. Also unlike Chinese we consider someone who has assimilated or is a permanent citizen as being half n half e.g. if a chinese was born in the west say Australia they are Chinese Australians. In China I could live there all my life yet I will always be a foreigner from my country not half n half . To me this is racist because in my country a Chinese immigrant can become a citizen and thus be known as being from my country as well as China
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I learn something new everyday.
Like that I speak Chinese. LOL. I am joking.
I actual am from US and watched a ton of Serpenza. He has talked about the cultural differences. I try to look at various cultures, as to broaden my understanding of different people of the world. Something most people do not do, including other Americans. By seeing and understanding these differences makes us all more understanding and excepting of others.
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This episode is really interesting because it covers a lot of vocab about touchy or taboo topics, which of course you wouldn't often hear elsewhere precisely because they are taboo.
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I enjoy all the videos on this channel, but I especially enjoy the videos of conversations between Eileen and Kirk. These are so insightful and interesting. The topics are well-covered, providing a glimpse into the minds of the Chinese community. I hope that misunderstandings and stereotypes, such as the ones discussed here and in other videos, will soon be dismantled. Thank you, Mandarin Corner, for all the hard work that goes into preparing interesting and informative content.
Great video! I'm American and the biggest thing I had to deal with in China is that everyone thought I was rich! I had to explain to them that most Americans "look" rich but in reality so many of us are in a huge amount of debt and have very little money. That there are a lot of poor people in America. And that there are LOTS of homeless people living in slums. I tried to teach them to not believe the American movie and tv shows. In reality, many typical Chinese people and Americans are the same - we don't live in big homes, we try and save money, etc.
This conversation is amazing! I'm only halfway through it and there's already so many good points and useful vocab. Kudos Mandarin Corner, I'm so happy to be one of your patrons. Keep up the good work!
很有意思！谢谢你！I think your conversation partner was very smart about unwrapping these stereotypes. Rather than just scratching the surface, you went deep to try understand the core. Like with all stereotypes. They have some true in them. But they can be misleading because you zoom in to a small piece of the big picture. Sure some men go to China for obedient woman. But I think a lot of people go because China is such an interesting country (esp. from a western perspective). Because you were isolated for such a long time. Customs and behaviours grew in such a different way. That is why it was very interesting to see the 'Chinese' perspective in opening up to the world. Sometimes your values match way better with a part of the westerners. We can learn a lot from each other. We can learn more about respect and form a strong collective as a nation. The Chinese maybe about critic. Which is more a tool to improve than try to make people loose face. Again thank you!
This video was too politically correct so let me tell the hard truth that people know but don't say openly. Men do not go to china for an obedient women, men go to china to sleep with chinese women because chinese women think foreigners are more attractive than chinese men especially white men. The idea that chinese people think all foreigners have blonde hair and blue eyes is just a lie. It would be more accurate to say they are aware of all people but they find people with blonde hair and blue eyes the most attractive. Chinese women just don't want to be shamed for admitting that they think white people are more attractive or that part of them wishes they were white but they cannot hide their beliefs, you can just observe their actions. Whenever a white man is in china, many chinese woman approach the white man, asking for hugs, pictures, and to sleep together. You are more likely to see a white man walking around with multiple girls around him than a chinese man with multiple girls around him. Not only that, it is more likely for a chinese woman to approach a white man than a chinese man in china. Also the white man can earn much less than the chinese man and still sleep with hundreds of chinese women ( this is not a joke, it really is in the hundreds and if you don't believe me go speak to a white man traveling to china for the purpose of sleeping around) a good example is the youtuber Serpentza who used to teach english in china. Serpentza taught english in china for a while than he had a child with one of his own students. This behavior is generally not tolerated especially in the west but the problem is you cannot blame the men when it's actually the women that are pursuing and initiating this behavior. Normally in china teaching english is a low paying job and a chinese woman would pretty much never date a man (especially a chinese man) that makes so little money but because they think white men are better than chinese men they can overlook this shortcoming and instead the tradeoff is that they get to brag that they have a foreigner particularly a white male because you clearly don't see chinese women running to black men. Also in china they prefer to hire english teachers that are white men and won't even hire chinese americans who are fluent in english even if their english is perfect. It's also very common for these english teachers to sleep around with the students and other teachers but only if the english teacher is a white man, and this is so well known in america that white men make sure to tell other white men on the internet that if they want to get laid and treated like kings they can just teach english in china. Here are some other actions that allude to the fact that chinese women view white men as better than chinese men. They prefer to speak english and not only that they usually learn english with another european language like italian or french and sometimes they brag that its better than their own chinese language. All chinese women think the best type of clothing style, fashion is european fashion, you can see they spend much more money on european products and go out of their way to travel to european or white dominant countries. When a chinese women leaves china with a white man she pretty much will never go back to live in china, she will only go back for family and thats just direct family like mother, father, sister. Alot of women that leave china never want to go back and this affects the nation because not only does it decrease the chinese population in china, it slowly destroys the community because now a system is created where chinese women will stay single well into their 30's "waiting" for the right partner but what they really mean is that they do not want to be with an unattractive chinese man they would rather be single, make money and then eventually either run into a white man in china or travel abroad and find a white man there. Many chinese women do this today and with the internet, social media, dating apps its become easier. If a chinese woman can not find a white man she will than go to a sperm bank and ask to be impregnated with sperm from a white man and raise the child by herself instead of trying to find a chinese husband. People know this but since this issue is such a sensitive topic it would be like the biggest elephant in the room to try to have a discussion of how chinese women would rather marry a white man or be a single mother than marry a chinese man. Also look in chinese television. The foreigners in chinese television are white men and women and the men are usually using their whiteness to achieve fame. It's become clear that if that white man had been an asian person he would not even get noticed. These social dynamics are a very big reason as to why chinese society is fractured with a dying culture. China now is just a reflection of western society, its culture is being destroyed and replaced with heavy western influences. Even if china has been isolated for many years, this doesn't effect human behavior because human behavior is universal. For example any society you are in, the people that are considered beautiful get a different type of treatment than the ugly people. This behavior is easily seen when it comes to fashion, media & marketing, even dating life as you can see how chinese women treat white men like kings but treat asian men like an item at a supermarket. It would be much better to lose face and have an actual honest discussion but chinese women are not even ready for that because they benefit from this system and they don't care about chinese men they only care about themselves, their own looks, and wanting to be white so badly they would give up their own culture and people. The irony is when they have children and their son ends up looking chinese and ugly. When these chinese women have children with white men where the child looks asian the chinese women is extremely disappointed, that's why many chinese women with white men express how they prefer a daughter because once they have a son they have to face the reality of how they have been marginalizing their own sons themselves from their own choices. Imagine being a chinese woman with a white man and a very asian looking mixed child. The child grows up and is trying to understand why he struggles with relationships in society and has difficulty connecting with other chinese women. As the son grows older and pays more attention he starts to notice a pattern that chinese women treat white men differently and then he realizes, his own mother is with a white man and everything starts to make sense. The son realizes he will never live up to a chinese woman's expectations of masculinity and attractiveness because his own mother's relationship reinforces the idea that he is undesirable. This really does destroy society and it's become quite clear chinese women don't care about the future at all. Look at all the chinese women that travel to study now, they travel to europe, america, australia and they usually never want to come back. They make excuses saying chinese men are "feminine", small, quiet, shy when they don't ask themselves a simple question. What type of reaction do you expect when you see all these women leaving their own country and people for foreigners only because they have better eyes, better hair, better bodies, etc? If you think western society respects china you are living a fairytale story. Western society only wants chinese women. Just look at western society and show me how many foreign men are in western society media, pop culture, music, fashion, art, etc. I already know this is going to go way past mandarin corners head because at the end of the day she is a chinese woman but Kirk probably sees what Im talking about.
@@tonylee1393 stop worrying my friend, white people are on the verge of extition. It is not the people of China who are disappearing from the face of the Earth.
@@tonylee1393 as in so many stereotypes there is also some truth in your analyses, but as in so many stereotypes there is also a lot of prejudices and misconceptions in your analyses
I think the topic of Chinese thinking foreigners look down upon them is a kind of unconscious reveal of how they see others, like less developed minorities or south East Asians, which Chinese look down upon. So they think this is how others see them.
Facts it’s projection
Very enlightening conversation on many levels. Thank you for sharing it.
You mean EILEENtening
Wow, this podcast was really really good.
Im a Canadian born Chinese who is trying to improve my Chinese and I was pleasantly surprised and fascinated at the subjects you guys talked about in this podcast.
At home I rarely discuss these topics with my family (I speak Mandarin at home) so it's refreshing to listen to native Chinese people talk about these sociological topics and how they differ between countries.
I also just watched Shang-Chi a few days ago so when you guys brought it up it surprised me a little since this video came out in 2019 lol
Greetings from Dali! There is so much about this that is helpful! Thank you for helping me understand how we (foreigners) are viewed, and where this originated. Also - it is a great way for me to practice my listening skills - thanks!!! Keep the videos coming!
This video is definitely painting Chinese men in a more positive light than what I've seen on a few documentaries. These documentaries had shedded light on domestic violence, and how men have unrealistic expectations of women. How they want a young and pretty girl, while they're 10 times her senior without many teeth left in their mouths, amongst other issues.
Regardless of that, this is great content, and I'll definitely pay for the lifetime subscription.
Your channel is one of a kind!
Please touch on subjects such as:
Healthy eating and exercise.
Global Warming and Pollution.
Crime and homelessness In China.
Astrology - Talk about the planets, alignment of stars, horoscopes and etc.
Witchcraft - for the Harry Potter Fans
Book discussions.
The history of the Qipao, binded feet, white powder makeup, and etc.
Anything about the culture.
Everything About all of the Dynasties.
Anything about science and scientific discoveries.
What it's like to study in China, etc.
Please add more variety to your channel.
amazing video....who is this man speaking?i like how he analyses this subject.
Eileen, does he have some others you can link us to?
Excellent video. I really appreciate your and your guest’s perspective and input. The English subtitles are both essential and superb.
You are doing such an amazing job recording these materials! At HSK4 level, I find these are just perfect - enough familiar vocabulary for me not to get totally lost, but lots of new useful words and phrases too! And the topic is fascinating, too - this is something that perhaps is a little difficult to talk about, and a Chinese friend might not open up fully about this to a Westerner (just my assumption), so I feel like I'm eavesdropping in a way.... getting an insight into the culture and mentality, not just the language. Thank you so much!
我超级喜欢你们的播客! 不但对于中文发展很有用， 而且很有意思听你们了解中国人的看法。
This channel gives me such a bright view of the good side of the Chinese people in mainland China. Thank you very much for this channel! 谢谢
Spitting is considered unsanitary in the US and Europe. It's was one of the ways that tuberculosis was spread during the 19th and early 20th centuries. If you are spitting in the street you are possibly guilty of spreading a highly contagious disease. Among some of the tribes of Africa notably the Maasai of Kenya and Tanzania, however, spitting is a form of greeting, similar to saying hello, but also very polite and formal.
不得不说，这一系列的播客内容确实能够反映出中国社会的一个真实面貌。我是在2012年来华度假的（后来不舍得离开，就留下找了一份工作），在这九年里发生过很多让我与主持人提出的那些刻板印象产生共鸣的事件。感觉这播客全都是干货，毫无疑问对于那些打算来华的外国友人（如当年的我）提供了宝贵的参考。二位主持人的对话也不是一般的有趣！谢谢！
I'm laughing so much at this "the American teacher was only pretending to be enthusiastic"
"why is she so tired?" lol because living and working in China exhausts you. hahaha
I teach at a public elementary school in China and there are 50 kids in a class. Of course after class your not going to be enthusiastic to everyone.
Your conversations with Kirk are very interesting
你们这个话题非常有意思。对，上面说的留个刻板印象在慢慢地消失或者变了。我是哈萨克斯坦人，曾经在中国留学过。哈萨克斯坦是亚洲国家，我的长相跟中国，韩国 或者 跟其他亚洲的长相很像。我在中国的时候发现了 有些 中国人对外贵人的 态度，就是对每个国家不一样。中国人 最崇拜 欧美国家的人，但是 也可以说，看不起其他未发达国家，但肯定不是所有中国人。除了欧美国家，中国人还喜欢韩国人，特别是年轻人，原因我们都知道。谢谢 keep going!!!
EDIT: 还有一点：现在很多外国人想去中国发展，娶中国老婆，工作 然后留在中国。 中国现在第二个economy.
Another great job Eileen.. thank you so much for all your work 👍
Foriegners were not always as open and free as you might think. When l was a young man growing up in Sydney Australia , we too were conservative. However ' as time went on , we became more and more open to almost all things' from the way we dress to our lifestyles to sex . In fact almost everything as we once knew it changed with time.. In my country its called progress, times change and if we did'nt progress along with it ' ' we get left behind. Listening to this , l cant help thinking China is also changing and are where we were 20 years ago..
this was a brilliantly frank discussion. very much appreciated and educational.
These videos are so helpful and interesting, helping me get from HSK 3 to 4, thank you!
同じアジアにいる日本人の自分からしても、とても興味深い内容でした。
また、このような対談形式の動画を上げてくださると嬉しいです！
Most Chinese think foreign men are playboys. But I can tell you from my experience that many Chinese guys want western girls for 'fun' because they are more outgoing and wild than Chinese girls (although this is actually changing). But yeah, the western girls don't want them back. I have many Chinese male friends who are married (one of them is from Tibet!) and who STILL want western girls or other Chinese girls as a lover. Dig deeper into the Chinese culture and yeah, you'll see a whole different perspective one you get to know the Chinese people more. Concubines, mistresses, girlfriends etc have always been embedded into Chinese culture, even right back when younger girls were used as slaves for the emperor -- literally hundreds of them.
Great learning content yet again, Mandarin Corner :D
Kirk, has started his own RUclips Channel! You might want to check it out and say hi!:
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Very well done!! I could say so much myself, but rather let your podcast here speak well for itself. Well done, bravo Eileen and Kirk!!
This is such an amazing video! I love the analysis of the guy so much and it would be great to have him make another video again :)
I started listening to these, right at the beginning, when I didn't understand a word, but I think that they helped me to get the pronounciations right!💪
you are a rare gem! 谢谢您！
Fantastic video with interesting and important vocab - Thanks again Eileen!
despite the fact that this is very interesting learning content for chinese learners, I think that everyone should listen to this!
"觉得" 那个词儿 used 91 times 😂 ... amazing podcast as always, and in combination with your website the best resource for learning Chinese I've ever seen. You guys are the GOAT !
I love this format on the screen! : )
I'm loving your podcasts ❤️
Thank you so much!
Amazing content. Really worth donating!!
*OTHER KIRK VIDEOS:*
*Are Chinese Parents Control Freaks?*
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*What is Kung Fu Really Like in China?*
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*Stereotypes Chinese Have of Foreigners*
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*Why is Getting a Wife So Expensive For Chinese Men?*
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*Differences Between Northern And Southern Chinese*
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Love these talks. Just love them. Every time I understand more and more and I'm so proud of myself))))
Hi Eileen, you covered so much in this lesson it' really great.
Hi Eileen
Thank you again so much for an other video !!
Its so helpfull, and I enjoy to learn Chinese this way.
I'm almost going to China for a few weeks....and definitly will try to speak Chinese.
For sure I will recommend other people who are learning Chinese to go to your website.
Maybe we will meet ach other in China😃
Greetings
If all you know of "foreigners" is what you see in Western media and Hollywood movies, then you will have a stereotype of an extrovert. If all you see is artificial drama, then you will think all Westerners are "dramatic".
Super fascinating to listen to thank you
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Freckles are considered charming in most of the US. Natural, wholesome, and sort of cute. Definitely NOT ugly.
This is so awesome. What you are doing is amazing. Sometimes the slow reading speed of the HSK resources is a bit frustrating.
Just wondering what HSK level would you roughly sit this episode at? (HSK 4 perhaps?)
非常感谢这个视频！但是有一个东西让我一点难过，没有人说一个原因我们外国人来亚洲居定之一就是我们真的爱这里的生活。不是只有钱或结婚。我们外国人当中，有很多对文化，言语，美食，音乐，艺术，寺庙，旅行，风景都有意思。Home is here 🖤
Thanks a lot!! I love this type of content. Your videos are amazing!!! :) Thanks again.
I can vouch that most waiguoren are not rich. This is a great podcast. Thank you!
Zara's model is a hot girl. I do not why some complained about freckles, some people find it a peculiarity and even sexy, not a defect, it seemed like an excuse to boycott a foreign brand, therefore probably was started by people owning Chinese brands. Great audio-video, Thanks.
The term 失败者 for foreigners going to China I think it comes from the fact that some foreigners meet other foreigners in China and sometimes they are really weird. I met a couple guys and we went to a bar and they told me the term losers back home or LBHs. It’s like they come to China because in China people treat you special cause you’re a foreigner and they don’t want to go back home because they are weird and no one likes them. So they stay in China because they feel more accepted there. I think it’s a long these lines. Unfortunately because they’re usually kind of weird they give a bad name to their home countries (like a lot of pediphiles from Australia go to south east Asia to live out their fantasies and because of this they give us Australians a bad image).
Watch video without English Subtitles: mandarincorner.org/stereotypes-chinese-have-of-foreigners-no-english/
Such a good video... Thank you 😊.. I am hoping that as we all get to know each other a bit more that stereotypes become a thing of the past. There are good and bad people in all areas of the globe, romanticising one race, culture etc, only leads to disappointment 😔.. So my love for the East isn't blinded by thinking only good people live there, human nature is human nature world wide. Stereotyping serves only to diminish individuality :( ...anyway, I'm so excited to travel China over the next few years, I will go with an open mind and heart ♥
It would be taboo to do one on what Chinese think of Africans.
好深刻呀你们这个对话
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Hi Eileen, if possible can you interview some Taiwanese? For some reason, I can understand China Mandarin but I have some trouble understanding Taiwanese talkshows etc
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Me as so called “foreigner” in China do have complaints but not because of some problems that China has which any other country has too,but because people getting angry at you when you trying to talk about those problems and keep telling you that China is the best country in the world
As a foreigner who has lived in China for over four years, and in Japan for about the same time, I often felt that I was being covertly monitored and evaluated and that any action I might make could easily end up becoming an example for defining foreigners' character and behavior. My evaluators' judgements were quickly and simply determined and very superficial. They were certain in their assessments, smug and condescending. I felt exhausted being around these kinds of people.
This is why soft power is so important. people abroad have good images in their mind for Americans. Meanwhile China has poor soft power, and they're purposefully poorly represented, at least the men, and the westerner's image of Asians are underwhelming.
Hey
Just letting u know that your lessons are really amazing
8:40 I think instead of ‘arrogance’ he is talking about ‘pride’.
Amazingly stimulating conversation!
Superb content! Thank you so much.
This is awesome, thanks for sharing
Very interesting, the guy you were talking with knows his stuff.
Wow, thank you so much! This is awesome
Regarding the bargaining, it's necessary! The Chinese do it, not to mention white foreigners are automatically given the white foreigner price. You'd be foolish to pay ten times the normal price, especially when you are earning a maximum of twice what the average local earns (and possibly far less than other university educated locals thanks to exploitative business practices)! Thankyou Eileen, for your really interesting videos! They provide a great cultural insight as well as invaluable language practice.
PS. As for me, I went to China for the experience. Even though I earned more than my Chinese colleagues (which is unfair), I earned less than a quarter of what I was earning back home (if Chinese businesses paid foreigners from wealthier countries any less, they probably wouldn't come. So although it's an inequitable practice to pay people of different nationalities different amounts for doing the same job, I can see why they do it. Obviously it makes sense for the business to hire people they can pay less... But often they get around it by promising more, and then not delivering. They deceive you in order to get you to sign the contract and then to cancel your visa if you complain that they are not sticking to their side of the agreement). Anyway, I definitely wasn't there for the money. Apart from dishonest employers and bureaucratic related struggles, I really enjoyed my experience in China! It's best to break away from the expat groups if you want to make the most of your experience. The Chinese people are generally way more hospitable and accepting of foreigners (and their habits) than the other way around. I'm surprised at how favourable the outlook is towards foreigners, and how accommodating the Chinese are (especially considering some of the very bad behaviour, i.e. disregarding of the rules/laws, excessive drinking, predatory sexual practices, lack of respect, unwillingness to integrate, and constant complaining from some foreigners). If you abide by the adage "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" you will endear yourself to the locals, in time. Just as in any other country. Respect the locals and their customs, laws, etc. and you will be well received.
15:31 Ha! Not in traditional christian communities. It's not a matter of eastern or western, asian or white. It's a matter of choosing morals based purely on tradition or based on rational logical analysis.
So good!!
晚上好普通話角和我一直很喜歡你關於各種話題的採訪。 我正在認真地尋找一個中國女人來建立一段嚴肅的關係，並希望在我明年第一次去中國旅行之前在網上認識她。 我可能會去上海，然後坐高鐵去深圳。
我受過高等教育，在過去的 24 年裡教過 ESOL、英語、科學和數學，目前為我所在地區的學生在線教學。
我熱愛中國文化、它的傳統、歷史、人民和武術。 我會說 3 種語言，也願意學習中文 Mndarin。
謝謝你，祝你有美好的一天！
Amazing content
Very common observations.
Latino: "Hi, Mrs. Wang, My name is...... with........Inc."
Mrs. Wong: (Ignoring the intro) "Jose, comm hee-ah, Kleen hee-ah."
BTW, Jose was not the name the Latino introduced himself, and he is not a Janitor either.
华人: "Amigo" comm comm hee-ah.
Latino: 第一我不是你的朋友 第二我认识你，你不认识我。为什么叫我朋友
Latino departing airplane after chatting with an elderly Chinese lady.
Chinese not related to her: "Aren't you her caregiver?"
Latino: 干嘛
The Latino is not her caregiver, but the Chinese assumed he was the "Help."
Yesterday I told this chinese lady who owns restaurant. 饿死我了。 also when she gave me the total I said 太贵了。打折吗。。。。因为我说特别好。 可以吗。 I also learned 外买 from her. I know she was asking to go or eat here even though I didnt know word for word what she's saying. Outside buy ...... to go order. Makes sense to me. Then for my drink order I say 喝酒!! She laughed. But she seemed a nice person and in a good mood so it was a good conversation. Then we said goodbye and I say 加油 . Lol I love that word. I was about halfway into hsk 4 before I took last 3 months off. I think I sound like I know more then I do. I do a good impersonation of Chinese pronunciation from mimicking Chinese Netflix shows. I know alot of random nonsense but I'm not shy and I try and be personable and funny which helps conversations. So I can throw out some filler or one liners . And while they give a response or laugh I'm thinking about what I really wanted to say cause I need afew extra seconds to gather my thoughts. Just go to Chinese restaurant more often and treat it like a dialogue from a book just in real life. I mean u can think up some filler or funny things to say for a restaurant setting. It's a pretty standard experience. Greetings. Menu. Drink . Order eat . They check on u afew times. Ask for check . Pay. Say goodbye. There's plenty to learn and think about what to say beforehand. And if u can learn a new word awesome. Cause you'll have a memory to go along with the word. Helps make the new word stick. I'm just rambling maybe itll help a fellow learner
41:37 - Bookmark
谢谢你。 你的教汉语的方法是最好的。
我是越南人。 每天都看你的视频，最可惜的就是现在才发现你的视频。
我发工资的时候，一定支持你们。
谢谢你！
I always considered myself weird with the shower thing because what I do is I take a full shower in the morning and then I take a smaller shower during the day just to wake myself up and get off any sweat from the night
Really good effort, well done
你的视频很帮~! 我是初学者但是我还看这个视频为听学习。谢谢老师~ 🥲💕
非常感谢你的努力！辛苦了！ It would be very useful to have time stamps. :)
谢谢你的视频！
Your English is getting better Eileen.
谢谢！
Good one.
18:20 this conversation had me cracking up!!
I have never heard a Chinese person with as much sense as this Chinese person. I am blown away by his knowledge of western cultured
Besides the native population of the west most are white those that are not white are either immigrants or the next generation of immigrants so technically it's correct to think most are white.
Also unlike Chinese we consider someone who has assimilated or is a permanent citizen as being half n half e.g. if a chinese was born in the west say Australia they are Chinese Australians.
In China I could live there all my life yet I will always be a foreigner from my country not half n half . To me this is racist because in my country a Chinese immigrant can become a citizen and thus be known as being from my country as well as China
我就是想说。。我也觉得大多数来到中国的外国人都是屌丝，那确实真的。好多人都就是想逃避本国不好的情况那样的。至于那些住在上海的老外，我觉得品质更好一点，也就是说，其中一些在国际公司里有很高的位置。我的情况就是给男友分手后，我想要了实现人生中一直都有的梦想，那就是去国外闯世界，广阔眼界之类。不过，我有资格还有在美国积累了五年教学的经验。我目前的同事们却有点乱。太啰嗦哈哈，我觉得能够半天讨论这个话题。
我是中国人，我完全同意你的观点，大多数来到中国的外国人都是屌丝这是真实的数据，然而这些外国屌丝身边却能吸引不少女性，包括黑人身边都能围绕女性，一个外国男性和一个中国男性同样的条件下，中国女性会优先选择外国人，甚至一个条件比很多中国男性差的屌丝也能轻易找到中国女朋友，中国女性崇洋媚外的心里极为严重，中国社会目前对男性压迫太大了，大部分女性现实拜金，但大部分女性并不是想靠自己的双手创造财富，而是想直接不劳而获找个有钱人。所以中国也有句很现实的话，在中国有钱人从来不缺漂亮女人。目前中国女性的问题要比男性大的多，社会发展太快，而中国大部分女性思维还完全跟不上，相比来说中国男性总体思维更加成熟，中国女性缺乏独立思考独立自主自强人格。
我很喜歡聽你拍的影片。謝謝你!
Can anyone tell me why there are a number of sentences post-fixed with (he/she digressed)?
@21:07 ”一气“， 可以用“一起"吗？
「我们 再怎么样，我们还是比黑人要高级」这个刻板印象也值得谈论我觉得。
不错
Zhende xihuan ninde pingdao, zai zheli wo xuede hen duo
Great
Who is the men talking? I love his voice!!
Kirk
我好喜欢你们的播客！（我是波兰人，我的未婚夫是中国人哈哈 ～）
Wait Fu Manchu wasn't in the Shang Chi movie was it? I know the old comics had it but it's widely recognized as a racist stereotype in modern times.