Panasonic S1H - Amazing cinema camera or DSLM?
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- Опубликовано: 24 окт 2019
- Paul takes a first look at the Panasonic S1H. Is this simply a full frame GH5S or is there more to this DSLM? Perfect camera for vloggers or a real cinema competitor?
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The Chroma subsampling difference is because in 4K(4:2:2) you have 1920x2160 color resolution; and in 6k(4:2:0) you end up with 2880x1620 color resolution. So is 4.1mp in 4k vs 4.6mp in 6k.
Fantastic.... that makes perfect sense... thank you so much! 👍
Actually, the difference was even bigger because I was shooting 5888x3312 so that's 4.8mp colour resolution in 5.9K 4:2:0 as against 4.1mp in 4K 4:2:2
Thank you for making my weekend !!!
Interesting. Could you elaborate more for those of us less knowledgeable on why that is? Thank you.
@@snazzyproplays2543 Yeah. The thing in chroma subsampling is this: 4:4:4 means full color resolution, so in a 4k video you get same resolution in color as your luma channel. In 4:2:2 you get half the resolution (half vertical but full horizontal) of you luma channel, so in a 3840x2160 video you get 1920x2160 of chroma. And in 4:2:0 yo get a quarter, so if your video is 4k (3840x2160) you will get 1920x1080 of chroma resolution.
Been in this example a 6k video (5888x3312), the final subsampling in 4:2:0 is still bigger than the 4k 4:2:2. (2944x1656 vs 1920x2160)
@@kezzatube45 Don't be hating just because you have trouble keeping up;)
@@kezzatube45 Well Snazzy was actually asking for more detail. Maybe this topic isn't your métier?
All I want is the perfect camera.
Your review was excellent. Not rushed, not dramatic, simply excellent. I have purchased my S1H and it’s on the way!
Just checking.... you know there's a new camera from Panasonic being launched this Wednesday? 😳
extrashot I did not. Yikes!
@@deanwaterman Don't panic... it's good news whatever you've bought !!!! (I'll have a video about it in three hours) 🤔
Just found your video. Excellent video. Like the way you do your videos. Very calm and lovely voice. Don't change anything! And having ordered my S1H a couple of days ago, your video makes me much more euphoric, than I already have been.
Thanks Chris... hope you enjoy your S1H. The good news is... there is so much more to explore than I possibly could in just one video. Have fun.
Great review again. really like your calm style of talking and making your tutorials. So tired of all cool intros and shit haha, this is nice and relaxing for me. Keep it up:D
Thank you... very kind! 👍
Same here...subscribed
@@amateurphotography3139 Thank you too!
Best camera review. EVER. I've been doing video for 20 years and I've watched probably 1000 camera reviews on youtube. This is my favorite. Subscribed.
Oh thank you.... you flatter me!.... but I do appreciate the sub. Cheers, 👍
I bought mine 2 weeks ago. The V LOG in 10bit 4:2:2 in C4K is astonishing. I have almost no need to switch it away from that combo in all my work so far...the exception being needing some slow mo. That price tag dissolves into thin air once you start to shoot with this BEAST of a camera. Besides RAW in any flavor, this just simply BLOWS EVERYTHING ELSE OUT OF THE WATER in its bracket.
Very true David... there's nothing for the money that comes close! 10bit 4:2:0 in 5.9K certainly astonished me.... took me a while to work out why it was better than 4:2:2 in 4K ??? 🤔
david Unoi but what about autofocus?If photography is very important for me.
Богдан Игнатов autofocus is not the be all and end all of photography, you should know that, and if photography is important to you, this is clearly not the tool for you. Having said that, although it cannot measure up to canons eye detect and overall autofocus quality, it does a very decent job at it. Ive taken a few quickshots here and there and the autofocus did its job. As for video work, i rarely use it for jobs as i prefer to have control.
@@user-qu9nf8ru3e The auto-focus with stills is great... fast and accurate with native lenses and there's zero hunting with stills. It's only really an issue with video...
david Unoi and thank you for that:)
The most pleasing review of a camera I saw in years! Well done sir.
Thank you Mario, very kind.
One of the best and wise overviews I've seen yet...! Congrats!
Thank you so much for saying so!
you are now my favorite product reviewer on RUclips. Well done, mate. :)
wow... thank you for saying so... it's appreciated! Take care.
Absolutely love your style, in terms of information, style of delivery and footage/editing. Incredibly personable and well-informed without ever feeling like you had to let us know how well-informed you are. Fantastic!
You're way too kind.... but thank you!
Dude. You are good at this. I subbed simply for the table head move. Bravo. You have earned my interest.
Thank you... and for the sub... it's genuinely appreciated!
You are the best! Thank you for keeping this superbly informational video entertaining. xx
Oh, thank you for the very kind comment... appreciated!
First time here. Great video, thanks! Love your touch of humor :) Will watch more of yours.
Thanks BoomPictures, very kind, glad you're here!
Great review!! Seriously, had to comment just to say Thanks! Keep up the great work. I’m subscribed. 👍
...and it's very good of you to take the time to comment... it's appreciated, and thank you for the sub too !!! 👍
Excellent video! thanks for all the technical work. You answered all my questions!
Thanks for the comment Randy... appreciated!
One of the better reviewers out there
Oh thank you... cheers me up when I being flamed !!! 👍
Thanks so much for taking the time to do this review. Much appreciated
... and thanks for the comment... also appreciated!
That was a great video. Funny, informative and with a lot of footage. Good job!
Thank you for the kind comments... it's appreciated. 👍
Really appreciate your work in this and other videos.
Thank you Davide, it's appreciated. 👍
Thanks for the clear overview of the S1H. Excellent! My fellow cinematographers have said I should be filming my documentaries with this cine camera or that. Well, I used to own an arri 16sr, and I loved how you flip the switch and you're rolling. (then of course reloading:) These dslm cameras essentially do that. Boom! they're on and rolling. My experience with Red, Arri and all the cine cameras is great, but they have boot times. That's fine for narrative, but for my documentary needs, I'd miss half the shots. This camera is already working great for me. It's easy to use and....Water resistant! We're so spoiled these days. Thanks again. Great voice btw:)
Thank you... and you're quite right... the long boot times we see on many cameras can be a deal breaker if you miss the shot!
I'm thinking the same thing. My set up with my black magics takes if out of studio due to all the extra kit needed.
Very subtle humour.
Another fabulous video from the wonderful Paul Ream!
wow... Hello Mac. Much too kind, but thank you! Hope you're doing well?
Good video! Thanks for uploading. You getting better and better! Subscribed
Thank you Matej for the lovely comment... and the sub. It really helps!
Love your sense of humor, man.
I love how so many people complain how heavy it is and you cant vlog with it but you did over a minute without hesitation.
Ha!.... but, just between you and I... it was v.v.heavy !!! 🥵
Outstanding review. Bravo. Flawless delivery of information and beautifully shot..
Thanks Alec, very kind.
I am a Sony guy, I have used this camera a few times, through my friend, I love all the bells and whistles this camera offers, awesome build, love the size of the body, very neat looking got features like red camera and Arri alexa But the Focus is Not that great Lags and video Not very sharp ,The sony on the other hand is the KING when it comes to focusing
I have to agree with you about the focusing! 👍
(I just wish Sony would do something 10bit !!! )
Hey there. Just stumbled across your review. After watch 15-plus I can truly say that “technically “ although you might have a lessor track-record than Panasonic, B&H, Cinema 5D, etc. yours was the most provocative and clearly understood review and, very much spoke to my way of taking obsevations. Thank you. A new subscriber is born!
Thank you Robert, that's very kind of you... and the sub is appreciated. 👍
i love it how much hes excited about it
Thanks for sharing, this was a terrific video that now has me wanting to explore the S1H...fist time since it was announced that it has really peaked my interest. I am glad that I found your channel.
Thank you Carlos.. very kind to comment.
Carlos! I'm happy to see you are looking into the S1H. I remember you saying it's not a cinema camera. And I understand why you said that but I think this body is revolutionary. I guess we'll have to see what the raw functionality would be. It would be cool to see you reviewing it and comparing it to your other cameras. I'm not a panasonic fan boy, I just apreciate the concept behind the s1h. I'm between the s1h and c200, I love the feel and functionality of the c200 it's very plug and play and ready for bussiness. Where as the S1h lacks that professional aestetic and ergonomic factor. But the codecs and anamorphic support... The perfect freelance camera? The jack of all trades master of none. - Love the vids - Mickey from Africa
@@mickeystruwig6877 Yes, I remember saying that too...hopefully they follow through with the RAW recording capabilities (not like what has happened with the Nikon) and when they do, I will take a look and do some comparisons.
@@carlosq00 YES!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks boss my day is made
.. and now I've found your channel - good stuff, I've subbed, thank you!
Paul, I have been eagerly awaiting your view on the S1H. One veteran cameraman with a modern outlook (as opposed to many that are set in their ways or as some of my Swedish colleagues that readily dismiss smaller non shoulder cameras but at the same time refuse hand camera jobs claiming screwed up backs. 😂) instils confidence in this broadcast veteran living in Gothenburg. SOLD!!! 😁🙏🏾
Thank you for the kind comment Eugene... I didn't think of that angle... the perfect camera for veterans 😂!
Seriously though, this camera is definitely punching way above it's weight... even with a recorder for RAW!
Hahaha Paul. I was debating with myself wether to use the word veteran because it can be a sensitive subject, but in this case It can be a equated with long term experience. If one has been doing anything a long time one comes to a point where one clearly understands what type of tool helps one achieve the goal in mind. My perfect camera would probably be if the S1H and the coming Canon 1DX III had a baby! 😂
15:10 Was that on purpose? You're brilliant, Paul! I've been eyeballing these FF Panasonic cameras for video and think I may buy one after they announce the release of one of the other 1.8 primes. I can get by with a pair of prime lenses, but not a 50/85 pair. Either 35/85 or 24/50 ...so whichever of the 24 or 35 comes out next, I will decide on a body then. Thanks for your content, Paul.
Thanks for the kind comments... I think there's some new lenses on the road map which might be of interest... it might be worth waiting a little to see?
GREAT video! I had never seen anyone do the video quality comparisons the way you did. I'm sold. Just don't know if I need all that over a GH5(s). I'd have to get new lenses...
That's the question... I still have my GH5 and hoping there'll be a GH6 !!!
Quite remarkable what’s out there now for the money.
Totally agree.... how quickly things have moved on from the Canon 5Dm2 that shook the whole thing up! 👍
This was a great review! Cheers!
Thanks for the comment Matt... it's appreciated!
Good in-depth review, unlike those other RUclipsrs who don’t really seem to use the cameras and simply constitute an echo chamber.
Very kind of you to say so... thank you!
This was such a good video! Thank you so much!
... and thank you for saying so! Much appreciated. 👍
Nice video, thanks for the tip!
A very good video review as always Paul. You did me chuckle when you walked in with your shorts. Sorry! But seriously loved the comparison you made with the GH5/GH5s as I own and use both those cameras for shooting video. The Panasonic S1H is out of my price range slightly, but I'm hoping the GH6 will be coming out next year. Oh, and in terms of focusing video, I'm surprised you have not considered using a Follow Focus system for shooting video? :)
Thanks Shark... your comments are appreciated. A GH6 would be an interesting prospect... I'm imagining a cheaper M4/3rd version of the S1H with 6K output? I wonder if Lumix can do that without hurting sales elsewhere? I'm also convinced the S1H sensor could easily drop into a Varicam or EVA2... otherwise there will be customers choosing the S1H over the more expensive options.
Do you mean a manual Follow Focus system?... My background started in TV studios, so pretty much everything was wire or cable driven, but then moved onto single camera shoots (including news) where you just get used to operating with your hand around the lens. The key to much of my work has been keeping everything as small and light as possible... just for speed reasons. However, as sensors and resolution have got bigger, I'm now starting to appreciate really good auto-focus systems.... and I never thought I'd hear myself say that !!! 🤫
Hi Paul. Yes, a manual follow focus system, though I might be investing in a wireless follow focus system. Yes, I could see easily a smaller version of the S1H as a GH6. :)
First time here. Nice review. Will be back ...
Thanks Reginald, and the kind comment is appreciated!
Top notch as usual, I keep in mind a director friend who no longer buys cameras... his opinion... too many good choices on the market that keep changing almost continually! I keep in mind, I have too many cameras that I can no longer use and will probably end up as give-a-ways.
Very true! ...and with so much good choice... the choice of camera becomes less important !!!
Hello What is the SCMF button for on the back of the S1H?
Hi Bobby... it's the auto focus mode dial. I think it stands for 'Single', 'Continuous' or 'Manual Focus' .
(don't worry about it... it doesn't seem to change much !!!) 😂
First of all, congrats for your channel and the accuracy you put into those videos. I just wanted to share something about FCPX. Since you are editing in FCPX I noticed (version 10.4.6 and earlier) that if you put any content , say 4k into a HD timeline, you will probably have a softer image than what you might expect. There are a lot of threads about that issue. So my point is that it is far better to edit in 6k, output the final product in 6k and then downscale it to 4k or whatever , using for instance Davinci Resolve. (by the way I would be interested to hear from you if you have ever noticed anything similar?) So my point is that the 4k footage you get from the 6k content might even be better if you could do the same downscaling in say Davinci Resove. I can't understand why FCPx treats the downscaling this way but I thought it would be good if other people might look into that .
Thanks Nicolas, that's very interesting. I hadn't noticed any issues downscaling within FCPX either from 6K or 4K? In fact, I've often thought the downscaled pictures from FCPX looked better than letting the camera do it! I suppose you're talking about a softer picture on the rendered output from FCPX? I hadn't read anything about this either... looks like I'm going to have to do some more tests? Thanks for the heads up!
@@extrashot I hope you will prove me wrong but so far I noticed a quite noticeable difference (in terms of resolution) in downscaling 4k in HD timelines between Davinci and FCPx.
8:47 ooooooh, camera trickery! horizontal split to reverse only the top half where the bottom keeps forward? Really nicely done!
Spotted! 👍
Great Review! Just another reason I'll be saving (for the next 2 years to afford) to buy one, and a few lenses! Thx for taking to do this 🍻
Thanks Richard... hopefully in the next two years they'll come down a bit as well... Sigma making L-Mounts is a good sign too! Take care.
Was looking for someone to talk me out of impulsively purchasing this camera. Was wanting someone to say that all of my suspicions were false and I was just suffering from confirmation bias. Instead, I get this tack sharp wit convincing me more and more that this camera is an actual game changer. My bank account will have you to blame, Sir. You to blame.
Don't blame me..Sir. !!! 😂
It is a great camera... and I genuinely believe it's punching way above it's weight... but I can let you in on what my FPO (Fun Prevention Officer) is advising... I'm going to hang on to my GH5 for a little bit longer, (not just because I still love the 4K 10bit 4:2:2 from that), but also because I believe the prices of the S1H will come down a bit after the initial hype has dropped... Maybe after Xmas holidays? Plus, there might be more lens choices by then. I should stress, I don't know anything, and Panasonic would hate me for telling you what the FPO has advised !!! 😂
xD love that Camera Conspiracies sound
Nice presentation and informative. I was wondering where to get a Vlog to REC709 LUT ?
Hi Paul, As the S1H uses the full Varicam V-Log rather than the V-Log L (lite) of the GH5/S you can use these....
info.panasonic.com/varicam-LUT-library.html
Remember, there's three different formats of LUTs depending on what you're using them for..
Thanks for the comment.
for now, strangely every time I see review for new cameras, I love my GH5 more
(I still love mine too)... and hoping for a GH6?
Great review 👌.
My dream videocamera , the way the AF pulls focus from your hand back onto your face is so organic , fast ..best i ever seen , althought scene inside was lit very well.
Would to love see you do some low light tests on it AF-wise.
I subed + bel on directly .
Grtzz johny
Thanks for the sub.. it's appreciated... and good idea, I wonder how contrast based AF works in low light?
Full stop. I paused the vid immediately upon hearing peter griffins Tah daaahhhh, subscribed and belled on all notifications. Who ever you are, dropping well timed humor like that earns my sub.
... and your sub is definitely appreciated! Thank you.
great review thank you
...and thank you for saying so. It's appreciated.
Nice job Paul, having just finished shooting a with the S1H in RAW, i conclude with your comments that it really is great camera, punching well above its price point.
How would you say it compares to Blackmagic's RAW?
Farid Damasio well I have now used both types and say that they are both very good in different ways. I really do hope that BM and Apple come to an arrangement where both DR and Fcpx support both formats, but fear that may not be be anytime soon. It may end up as a vhs vs Betamax job if you can remember that! BM Raw I like for the choice in compression ratios, PR raw I like the 12 bits files a lot. Both are good although I see them both being used for higher end projects as the data storage is real on long form projects and for most clients in corporate etc , I bet they couldn’t tell the difference or care so long is the footage looks great.
@@stuartmorganproductions Interesting. I used the Blackmagic Cinema Cam 2.5k and was really impressed with the RAW, it looked like a lesser version of something shot by an ARRI. I never thought any of BM's succeeding models captured that look, nor any other DSLR for that matter.
Farid Damasio I think the Raw codecs help retain detail and stand up to post production better but it’s lighting and lenses that are more important in giving it ‘the look ‘.
@@stuartmorganproductions Fair. The Codec is maybe like a modern version of film stock then. And for sure, its definitely the craftsmanship along w/ lenses that create the "look" of something.
hello, thanks for sharing the review, I am quite interesting to buy this camera, could you recommend me a good computer or laptop what is able to move those different format, 6k, 4k etc. thanks
I'm afraid I'm a bit out of touch on the PC side of things... I switched to Macs about 2008 and currently run a 2017 i7 MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM and 4GB Radieon 560 graphics. That seemed to cope really well with all I needed to do with the S1H... although I bet the new 16" MacBook Pro would fly in comparison? The file sizes are very similar in bitrate to the GH5... which also goes up to 400Mbps. I know a lot of people have been switching back to PC's recently but I couldn't really advise about those.... sorry I can't be more help.
Thank you for sharing good info about Panasonic S1H.
...and thank you for commenting... it's appreciated.
Unreleated question. Can you advise me what settings i need to go into
apart from iso, that takes my iso lower than 640iso when in movie mode
on the S1
Hi David, On the assumption that the S1 is similar to the S1H... the first thing you need to do is set the Extended ISO range to 'ON' in the Custom - Image Quality menu. From then on the lower limit is usually set by the picture mode setting. For instance Cinelike D or V have a lower limit of 100 while HLG is 400 and V-Log is 320. If Extended ISO isn't turned on, then the lower limit for V-Log is 640 ... which sounds suspiciously where yours is? Does the S1 have dual base ISO's? On the S1H the lower setting for the high base is also 640 which is the only other thing I can think of.... hope that's it.
this video is why I bought the camera
I feel a great responsibility now Mark... hope you enjoy it. It's a great camera!
@@extrashot You know the real responsibility is the fact you cannot say the the tools are the hardship and reason for the failure of your success ... to produce great inspiring imagery .This is taken away and now and it's just the two of us .The camera and my eye. Humbling.
@@markrobinson8254 True... but it's supposed to be fun too !!!
I agree as a S1H (and S1) owner.
Wow... both... the S1H is exceptional for video work... punching way above it's weight! 👍
Love to hear more about the post process. More specifically, I'm looking to edit video essentially in real time on set. Can I import directly to Premiere on a laptop and begin to make selects? How would you rate the post process compared to shooting to a P2 card?
The best picture performance comes from using the HEVC codecs (H.265) wrapped as a dot mov... I've no idea if these will import into Premiere natively or if you need to transcode before selecting? I think the files are the same format as the GH5/S so that should give you a clue... I'm afraid I know very little about Premiere... maybe an expert can let us know? The cards themselves are SD which should make it considerably cheaper than P2 !!! Sorry I'm not much help.
@@extrashot thanks so much for the quick reply! my company is renting for the month of jan so we're going to put it through it's paces.
@@karatekick66 That's a great idea... always worth hiring or borrowing a camera before a big project. Good luck with it.... hope it works well for you. 👍
Very well done review
Thank you Eric... appreciated. 👍
Splendid job on this video,,easily the most informative,, hype dispelling video on this camera and also beautifully illustrated..will be watching closely for you to post more with this set up...lens limitation be damned...
PS..just saw where this beast is "NETFLIX APPROVED" as a production camera for submissions to air on their service,,, kind of exciting since I can probably buy this and some glass for what I was looking at doing a lease on an Arri...Thanks again..
Hi Clint, thank you for the comment... it's appreciated. The Netflix thing is a big deal... the first mirrorless camera to get on the list, however, I'm not sure it would necessarily replace an Arri for your next production? Obviously, very much depends what you were going to do with the Arri?... Different tools! (or maybe, it's my fault for missing the humour?) 😂
@@extrashot LOL.... No humour intended.... But yeah you're right.. very different beasties... We decided on the Arri for a shoot of a pilot episode of a program we are shopping... If nothing else it looks more impressive.. right??
@@clintjohnson2460 Ha! Can't tell you how many times I end up using a bigger camera just because it impresses the clients !!! 😂
Thanks! One of my appriciated S1H reviews! I recently got the S1H. It is amazing! I am still testing. I do not know how to put this, maybe you can help me. It is not clear to me if: when I read "v-log/v-gamut" in the specifications does this mean that they are binded? Is v-gamut the color space of v-log? Is v-log/v-gamut restricted to rec.709 color space? Or is v-gamut rec.2020? In some color space diagrams v-gamut is shown as a diffenrent, wider color space than rec.2020. So it should be 2 different things. However, why isn' v-gamut listed in any of the picture profiles of the camera? We have rec.709, rec.2020 but no v-gamut. How do I get the wider color space of v-gamut? In what picture profile? FCPX and VLC only show rec.709 in the media information of a v-log footage, so it isn't v-gamut. Why should I film in v-log, when it only gives me rec.709? Thank you for any clarification!
Update: Panasonic kindly informs me that you get v-gamut color space is available in v-log only.
Hi Steve, thanks for the kind comment!
You're absolutely right... the gamut is the total available colour space and the gamma is the compression curve used to best optimise the luminance and colour data into the available bandwidth. It's only a curve because of the non-linear way our eyes perceive brightness and colour.
The v-gamut on the S1H is the largest possible colour space that the camera can physically detect. You can almost think of it as a physical limitation determined by the quality of the sensor and the dyes used in the filters etc. v-gamut on the S1H is a larger colour space than either rec2020 or rec709
So what you're doing when you choose a picture profile or gamma... is actually choosing to compress (or redistribute) both luminance and colour data into a smaller space! The standard rec709, HLG or rec2020 profiles are simply matching the smaller colour spaces... so the colours look correct on every device or display that's expecting that particular colour space.
The v-log gamma profile is using all the physical colour space the camera is capable of... ie. v-gamut... and attempting to get the most dynamic range from the gamma curve. So no need to switch v-gamut on... it's already on!
FCPX is only showing rec709 in the information because you need to turn on the wide dynamic range processing of the whole library. It's a real pain and easily forgotten... but not difficult: Just highlight your main library in the FCPX browser (not an event)... and look across to the Library Properties on the right. Click on modify - and choose 'Wide Gamut HDR' from the menu.
That's it... you're now editing in a wider gamut than you can probably display!
As an aside.... I recently watched S-log footage on an HDR monitor that could properly display a native S-Log picture... and guess what? It's not 'flat' at all... in fact, it looks perfect without grading or a LUT. All you need is a display that matches the gamma and gamut of what you're recording.
We only think these 'log' profiles look flat because we're watching on screens that can't display it correctly!!!
@@extrashot Wow! Thanks alot for this detailed response! I am glad that v-log captures v-gamut! Even if most displays can't reproduce it, it is a nice plus for more and more clients. I will be on fcpx in two days. I will follow your instructions to get the wide dynamic range processing. I actually did already activate this option for HLG libraries and the propreties showed rec2020, as was to be expected. I also did this with v-log footage but the media propreties still only showed rec 709. That's what got me worried. Maybe I missed something. I will give it another try this friday.
What were you recording with, on the table top review?
GH5... still love it!
The Camera Attenborough.Intelligent and sophisticated review. Thank you.
Ha... not him again! 😂
Great review!
Thanks Jazz
Any thoughts on this vs the Black Magic Cinema 6k?
mmm... depends on your budget? If you're super rich and fancy buying some amazing lenses, then the S1H is a clear winner... but for the rest of us, the BM is amazing value.
@@extrashot Im sold on the s1h's flip screen, ibis, image quality/dynamic range but the blackmagic's 12 bit raw and their codec in general is really enticing as i have plans to color grade quite a bit. In your use, how has the S1h's footage hold up when stretching the 10 bit color vs the bmpcc6k's 12 bit raw?
@@insimonia That's a really good point and a difficult decision. Personally, I've never had the need to stretch 4:2:2 10bit to the extent where it breaks down in the grade, probably because I usually try to get as close as possible during the shoot... so 4:2:2 10bit works fine for 90% of everything I need to do while working. However, I have really enjoyed using BRAW, Canon RAW light and Sony X-OCN at various times, and I can see that shooting some sort of compressed RAW is probably the best usable workflow on quality cameras going forward. I'm not a total purist when it comes to RAW (nothing but sensor data)... but is BRAW actually a RAW format? I see that the de-bayer and quite a bit of processing is done in camera. The images are great, but does it give you the same flexibility of traditional RAW formats, or is it just a clever codec? I realise I'm rambling and not answering your question... and that's maybe because I've not yet used the Atomos/RAW solution coming for the S1H. In short... I do like the idea of BRAW, but wouldn't compare the S1H to say a BM Pocket Cinema Camera... they are totally different. Now, if only Panasonic would do a deal and put BRAW in their cameras!
@@extrashot Thank you for the quick and informational answer! I've only just discovered your channel during my research and love your presentation, humor and insight! I'm really hoping the Atomos/RAW solution is at least 12 bit for the S1h to match the BM. Here's hoping in the next few months!!
@@insimonia True... and thank you!
This a really great review I have a question I saw someone online complaining about blue clipping in V-Log on this camera have you noticed that?
Hi Terry, Thanks for your comment. After reading your question I've just gone back to my original footage around the boats in strong sun and primary blues... can't say I can see any blue clipping at all. Maybe you have to crank a blue light really hard to see anything... or even use blue LEDs directly into the lens? Was the clipping on the S1 or S1H? To be fair all cameras will clip a colour (particularly red or blue) if you push the primary really hard. I felt the V-Log was very forgiving at most exposures but I did have an obvious issue with the 'Natural' picture profile when it was hitting the sun on the first walk along the beach.
This is the source I think Panasonic fixed it on the S1H am not sure about the S1 www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/36618-panasonic-s1h-review-hands-on-a-true-6k-full-frame-cinema-camera/page/13/#comment-317764
Great Review! Thanks!!
Thank you Tomaz! 👍
The English accent makes all great things AWESOME. Well done chap!
I don't have a accent?.... everyone else has! 😂
I really like the quality and features of Panasonic cameras, but the AF keeps me away. I am a solo shooter and have to manage shooting and audio recording without help. AF is not a feature for me, it's critical. I'm currently shooting Sony, but Sony or Canon AF quality is the least I can accept. I don't understand why Panasonic won't put DPAF in their cameras .... seems like a bad management decision to me. Love your reviews ... am definitely a fan!
Thanks for the kind comments... it's appreciated. I know what you mean about the AF... particularly if you're shooting solo. It'll be interesting to see what Panasonic announce next Wednesday...
Just over three hours... 🤔
@@extrashot Thanks
Hi,
You mentioned your MacBook Pro in your review. Could you please tell us a little bit more about the year and specs? You see, mine is getting kinda old too, so it would be useful to know if it would still handle that kind of files. Thank you.
Hi, My MacBook Pro is a 2017 15" with 3.1Ghz i7, 16GB of Ram and 4GB Radeon Pro 560. Nothing special. When at home I plug it into a 5K monitor with USB3... which runs all drives. power etc down one cable. Starting to crave the new 16" though.... £3.5K for a max'd out one is a bit steep for me to replace just yet!
You’re right, it’s quite an investment. My MacBook is an older version (2015), so I’ll have to buy something more powerful.
if I'm going to nitpick at 5:45 I could see the light on the right pulsing slightly from focus (only really noticeable in fullscreen on my monitor)
Yes... going back and taking another look, I can see what you mean. Well spotted! 👍
It's considerably less than I get on the GH5 though?
Hi Paul. I know your a fellow F5 user so just wondered what your thoughts are on the Panasonic S1H vs the A7S III. Are you still using the S1H? What puts me off the A7S III is the codec which is similar to the F5's XAVC 300 which I always thought was way too compressed. Cheers
Hi Jason... I was an F5 user, now FX9 !!! S1H vs A7Siii is a tough one for me because I haven't got to play with the new Sony yet. I'll probably get one soon, but that's mainly because I can share lenses with the FX9. The S1H produces lovely pictures and now has the RAW output enabled... it should soon get the improved AF from the S5 as well. However, doesn't the A7Siii have a new nXAVC HS mode which is H.265 based and a RAW output? either way, it's not an easy choice! Sorry I can't be more help.
@@extrashot Thanks for your thoughts Paul. I think the S1H is for me due to the true 4K image and the better Intra codec. Not a fan of XAVC 300 or XAVC S I as Sony call it now. Cheers
@@JasonBagherian No problem Jason... if image quality is paramount to you... then you can't go wrong with the S1H.
@@extrashot Thanks Paul.
At 06:30, that linear mode is a testimony what Panasonic is willing to offer to its clients. I love to pull focus but the focus by wire system is a pain. The linear mode solves that problem.
Excellent video
Thanks Jose. 👍
Do you get v-log out of the box or do you have to unlock it by paying extra like with the GH5?
No V-Log is standard with the S1H... and it's full V-Log, not the V-Log lite that you get with the GH5, so in theory, it should cut better with the big Varicams...
Nice video! What do you think about autofocus? Is it reliable? When you shooting a static scenario like a landscape, without face recognition, does the camera loose focus? Thanks! :-)
The auto focus seemed to work okay with native L mount and face tracking... well, better for me than I was expecting. I also didn't notice the focus 'hunting' or pulsing as it does when shooting video on my GH5. However, I'm not sure I could call it reliable enough for 'pro' use when you've got a client looking over your shoulder! It's a fundamental issue with all contrast based systems... but Panasonic do seem to made the best of it in the S1H. To be fair... it's never going to work like a Canon dual pixel or Sony's hybrid phase detection system. I've just realised, I've not really helped you have I? .... and that's the problem, sometimes auto-focus on the S1H feels reliable and sometimes it doesn't !!!
@@extrashot Thanks! I wonder if it can loose the focus filming static scenarios, like landscapes, after a while. Have you experienced this issue?
@@DaniloDelTufo I haven't personally seen that... but then I've only been using the expensive L Mount options? The pulsing seems to be sorted with those lenses but you need to try for yourself with your own lenses. That's the problem with a contrast based system... it has to keep moving to assess where the highest contrast is!
Stunningly good review!
Thanks Daniel, very kind of you to say so....👍
@@extrashot I'm curious if you were a fan of James Burke and "The Day the Universe Changed." Your tone and delivery remind me of him an awful lot. It was one of my fav docu-series.
@@daniellmiller As it happens... I used to love James Burke when I was growing up... so I take that as a massive compliment, thank you. As well as those documentaries, he was also a regular on 'Tomorrows world' and the BBC Computer shows that taught me so much before anyone could afford a computer at home !!!
Great review
Thank you
Excellent video.
Thank you..
Lovely shots of Christchurch and Boscombe. Should I wait for the Sony A7Siii!?
Might be a long wait... I'm not convinced there will be a Sony A7S3... at least anytime soon. Looks like Sony shelved the one that was going to be released months ago... I wonder why? Personally, I think if you are going to manufacture anything that produces full frame 6K at 10bit, you're also going to produce quite a bit of heat... so you might need a totally new and larger body than Sony are used to with the A7 series. Just my theory?
I think, I understand what is hiddne under your question veeery good:-(My God,I have so many E-mount (also their good video zoom) lenses(and A6300, A7RII), not really cheap!!! and Sony make NOTHING new for its cameras ,still poor 8bit codecs etc, so no way to "broadcast" quality in 2019!!!Shame!I really dont know, when I saw this video with S1H ,I dont want to give away my money to new ecosystem, but now I am afraid of Sony marketing:-(F..ck Sony!!Sorry for that word! Codecs is not issue for events, youtubers etc, but for indie makers...for me personally I have dream to make short (or longer?;-)) film to festivals or even to TVs, but with this poor codecs I am affraid no way, even HDMI output is only 8 bit. But o the other side picture quality "by my eyes", from my sony cameras- main in log2-DR,no noise , filmic look etc is absolutely stunning or at least good enough for film production personally for me, BUT codecs (and also slow-mo etc) sucks :-(And finally, I was long time waiting for A7RIV and again the same 8bit 100Mb/s in 2019!!! Sony A7S line was also my hope but nowadays I begin to be sceptical about this :-(And f.e. Netflix respect video from S1H, but no GH5(s), no S1, no A7III etc, from mirrorless only one and it is S1H, it mean something!I must admit: Sony, I feel not only disappointed, I feel deceived and angry!!!
dude, you're stronger than you look...S1h is pretty heavy
Hi i am form india your videos are great love form india.
Thank you... appreciated from Bournemouth!
the camera CONSPIRACIES MUSIC KILLED IT! HAHAHAHA im gonna sub
Appreciate the sub...but don't tell Kasey!!!
@@extrashot Beware that Canon Cripple Hammer...
@@timbeaton5045 Be very afraid!
the moment when you hear the music chunk of Camera conspiracy!! triple like for the video... :)
Well spotted !!! and thank you for the likes... it's appreciated.
@@extrashot we love you.. keep up the good work!
How many lenses are there now?
Looking at the WEX website, I'd say about 83 of various flavours! 👍
Really, really enjoyable to watch your videos. But I wonder, there were two shots at least in the little movie you shot with it which were noticeably out of focus. The guy on the water and the beach shacks. Is there any particular reason for that, did the AF just not do its job?
Hi M H, To be honest, it's more likely to be operator error! Some of those shots were grabbed on the fly, and in my defence, I only had the camera for a couple of days when the weather was good enough for the outside shots. That's my story... but joking apart, the camera is very sharp, especially with the new 'L' mount lenses. The 50mm is almost too sharp!!!
@@extrashot Gotcha, was worried the AF might not be that good. That's good then.
It does look super sharp otherwise, very nice.
Thanks for your reply!
@@FirstnameLastname-pe3ky Sorry, I didn't mean to mislead you... the camera is super sharp and the autofocus is great for stills... but I'd be lying if I said the video autofocus was as good as the latest Canon or Sony offerings. The contrast based system can't really compete for video.
Great review this camera was on my list to buy either this one or the BMPCC 6K but you just sealed the deal for me..your vocals sound amazing btw..which lav mic is that?
Thank you for the kind comment. The lav mic on this video was just the standard one that comes with the little Rode Zoom F1 recorder. I've been experimenting with various different mics on each video until I find a solution that works. As you can imagine, all the sound recordists I work with usually have a few comments to make about my sound recording abilities !!!
I find this one rather tempting as well, the body seems just very mature against the BMPCC 6k. I think I will still go for the BM though because the BRAW codec just looks superior.
@@nordfresse It's a tough choice... and considering the size of BRAW, it does an amazing job internally. 👍
Lol you guys are making good points. I’m confused on which will be the best bang for my buck. My girl wants to vlog and I want to short films. What would you suggest?
Black_HowL 7evin You should get yourself a nice BMPCC6k (or even 4k) and get your girl a good vlogging camera (maybe Lumix G9). She could also just use her phone for vlogging actually... that way you both have your own dedicated tool and dont even spend more than you would for the S1H.
Great review Paul. The down sampling from 6k to 4k is a brilliant idea, and you demonstrate why it works. You make a good argument in favour of 6k (4:2:0) I've shot blackmagic for years, and use pro res and raw, and yes there is something special about the image produced, but I'm going to move on from blackmagic. Functional auto-focus and decent ergonomics isn't just for weddings, it helps when filming humans. The S1H has a lot of potential.
It'll be interesting to see what future firmware brings to this camera going forwards... however, I'm also big fan of the Blackmagic colour science... tough to move on from!!!
@@extrashot it may seem counter intuitive, but as BM gets into 4k and 6k, the extra hassle needed to get the focus right has become a drawer back. The effort on that can take away from the artistic and practical sides. Agreed the BM colour and look is top notch. Also as you demonstrated a BM rig needs lot of add on bits
@@AW-go1tf True... as resolution increases, I find I want auto-focus more than I ever thought I would! 😂
@@AW-go1tf But then again what good is an AF system that is not 100% reliable?
@@nordfresse Good point. Maybe it comes down to selecting gear suitable for your task. An AF that is not 100% reliable but still decent may still do fine in situations in which you have determined through experience that it is reliable e.g. an interview or following a single subject walking around a room. Just don't expect something from it it can't do.
Great video, thank You. Best regards, Kai the bee filmer.
Thanks Kai... very kind!
Many cameras film in 6K and downsamples in camera to 4K, like the Nikon Z6, can you really see the difference, and if is it really worth $ 1600?
Certainly for video... yes, colours just look sharper and it adds depth to the 4K image. I don't know about shooting RAW stills? Whether anything is worth paying for very much depends on what use you want to get out of it? Some people don't think it's worth paying for a £50K ARRI Alexa... and for most it's not !!!
rotvonrat that’s true. But none of the other DSLM do 10bit 422 internally though. 4K or otherwise.
Maybe DSLC - Digital Single Lens Camera - don't refer to what it hasn't got ( the mirror) refer to what it has got and is ? Just a thought :)
Good thought... I like it, and it's easier to say too! 👍
Please explain exactly to me for what you need a 6K full frame camera.
Full frame for the aesthetics and low light capabilities... 6K for full colour res 4K deliverables. (make up for the bayer filter losses).
Nice trick with the clouds.
Hey.... someone noticed !!! Thanks David
May I ask, how does the image compare to the Varicam LT?
Hi Johann, That's a very good question because it raises all sorts decisions I'm also trying to deal with at the moment... Ignoring the whole 'preferred' form factor (internal ND, outputs, timecode etc) of either camera, and the expensive P2 cards you'd need for the LT, and just thinking about picture quality alone... Currently, there are more codec choices with the LT.... 4K AVC-Intra422 and 2K AVC-Intra444 are very impressive, but you've also got internal ProRes up to 2K 444 if that fits better into your workflow. At the moment, we don't yet know exactly what Atomos are going to offer on the Ninja for the S1H... ProRes or ProRes RAW or even some other V-RAW ??? As the cameras stand... I think I prefer the look of the pictures from the S1H... but only if 6K V-Log footage fits nicely into your workflow. The S1H feels better at low light and obviously, the full frame just gives more opportunity for your lenses to shine... (especially anamorphic). However. If you need to shoot ready to use pictures, or don't have the time to grade, then the LT starts to look a better bet. If I had to chose between an LT or S1H... I think I'd go for two S1H's and get some impressive L-Mount lenses with the change! But I also think I'd wait a bit to see what happens with Atomos or even the EVA-2 ???
@@extrashot I'm finishing up a documentary and won't make an upgrading decision till March next year, so it's interesting seeing the landscape change as time goes by. I've pretty much scratched the Varicam LT off my list now. Full frame is starting to look inevitable, the look cannot be denied. 6k too. I was preparing to invest in the C500 M2, which looks amazing on paper, but the big issue, (other than the price) , is that it's EF Mount, a system that is dying, and not as flexible as mirrorless, Perhaps they will bring out an RF Mount to rectify that, I find it crazy, they are releasing Amazing looking RF lenses, but expect us to invest in EF glass? I would be very surprised if Panasonic didn't make the EVA 2 a full frame L Mount camera, with the same sensor as this little beast, but with the ND and XLR. Perhaps with compressed RAW and 6k 422. Maybe that will be the ultimate beast, with this as the B camera.... The big downside, especially with a small camera like this is a autofocus for gimbal work is not there yet. Sony and Canon do have this point of difference. I sure do love the look of the pictures from this camera. The selfie sequence in the beginning pops, it's a level up from any mirrorless camera, and even from current mid-tier cine cameras... So thanks for this, a picture is worth a thousand words... Good times ahead...
@@johannbauermeister3916 I'm sure the idea of a full range of L Mount cameras has occurred to Panasonic Broadcast.... EF is definitely starting to look a bit 'old school' !
Hi my friend, stunning S1H Test. I am short before to get one😊,but I am not sure how I can edit h265 6K files in Final Cut Pro or Darvinci Resolve on my imac 27 i7 2017. Is it possible? Before I edited my GH5S files in MOV Format without problems. Do you have a solution? Excuse my english and best regards from Kisdorf near Hamburg in Germany ...Kalle Koerner😘
That's a good question... I have a 2017 i7 MacBook Pro and could edit the S1H 6K in FCPX okay... it wasn't super slick on my machine, but it was doable. However, my machine struggles a bit with Resolve... it seems to need more in the way of GPU power which is what my machine lacks. Editing in Resolve became a pain for me because everything got a little 'stutter'y' very quickly. But then I also don't like Resolve for large 4K files off the GH5... while FCPX copes with those with ease. I think a lot depends on your GPU and video memory. ... and no need to excuse your English... it's great! Stay well.
Wow, thanks for fast response. I will test that on extern Catalina SSD, and tell you my experience! Thanks a lot! ...and for praise my school english😘😘😘😊
OK I am back again😊 I tested 6k S1H files in Final Cut Pro and Darvincy Resolve. System Imac 2017 i7 on Catalania external SSD T5 1Tb. It runs Perfect and I am Happy! 👌😊
@@sliceproduktion That's great to know... thank you, and I'm glad you sound happy... those pictures are worth it !!!
z cam... what do we know about the z cam?!! I might be buying one soon (s6 flavour) - would be good to hear your opinion.
I'd love to get hold of one... the principle sounds great!
@@extrashot Agreed. Still waiting to see something that blows me away from the camera though.
I prefer the term mslr. That is a mirrorless single-lens reflex. I will admit I did not originally think of the term on my own. Initially I saw the term mslr at Target underneath one of their Cannon M series cameras. And I think mslr sounds a little bit better then tslm.
I think you're right... it does run off the tongue easier!
This is stupid. There is no reflex in a mirrorless camera.
@@Yates__ 🤪
@@Yates__ MSL so ;')
Your video has helped me consider what I thought was unthinkable - that I would shoot 6K @ 4:2:0 10 bit vs. 4K 4:2:2 [via your color subsampling examples]. Thank you - extremely helpful. I am trying to wrap my head around the color resolution Mpixel count in 6K 4:2:0 vs. 4K in 4:2:2 in practical terms. We can say in 5.4K and 6K (420) vs 4K (422) you have significantly more horizontal color resolution, and about 30% and 20% less vertical color resolution, respectively. However, in both 5.4 & 6K cases you end up with more MPixel overall info. My question: does this simply mean that the colourful horse (in your example), when shot in 6K, there is actually more color "juice" - more total color info to work with - given to the horse in 6K than there is in a natively recorded 4K 422 file? Meaning - the horse shot in original 6K is actually "bigger" than the 4K horse on the sensor, and therefore there is more total color info given to the horse - and that extended color info is then crammed into a downsampled 4K size...so in the end you have more color to work with in post?
Hi, it's the difference in colour resolution... because these cameras are all single chip, we have to give up pixel resolution to each colour. As well as the bayer filter, we also compress the colour information to save size/bandwidth. So, the thing about downsampling is you're starting with more than you need to compensate for the losses on 4K.
In 4:2:0 colour subsampling, you’re getting 1/2 the horizontal resolution and 1/2 the vertical resolution as colour information. With 4:2:2 it’s 1/2 the horizontal resolution but full vertical resolution. So greatly oversimplifying things, but as a basic example:
5888x3312 at 4:2:0 = 2944x1656 (4.8mp colour resolution)
3840x2160 at 4:2:2 = 1920x2160 (4.1mp colour resolution)
So when both pictures are compressed to the same 4K output… you actually have more colour information to play with using 5.9K 4:2:0 than the 4K 4:2:2.
It’s counter intuitive… but give me bit depth over colour subsampling any day! It’s the 10bit that makes both of these look so good when you’re pushing it in post!
@@extrashot Thanks very much. I'm doing some testing myself and I'll see how it responds. What are your thoughts on the LongGoP in 420 6K vs. Intra ALL-I in 4K ? I'm wondering if this could be dealbreaker in a professional production.
@@Sebadoah I suppose that's all down to the processing power of your edit system? The other side of the equation is also the compression... although the 5.9K is LongGOP, it's also H.265, which is also much more efficient than the H.264 ALL-I in 4K. I suspect that would need quite a bit of testing to work out the best workflow vs quality!
You're right, testing is needed and testing is what I started in the last few days...only to discover that when you shoot in anything above 4K, any HDMI output is cut off! You literally cannot monitor any output except with the little cam LCD monitor or VF while shooting above 4K. This is ridiculous. Talk about a dealbreaker. I don't expect RAW output, but how is one supposed to do any professional work without a real viewfinder / monitor? Don't know what these guys at Pan were thinking
@@Sebadoah It's very strange because you get a down converted 4K output from the HDMI right up until the moment you press record. Maybe there's not enough processing power to record 5.9K while simultaneously down converting? I'm not sure what happens with the RAW HDMI output which is coming very soon. The specs would imply that it can record 5.9K while outputting RAW to an Atomos Ninja... which would then give you the monitor? But until I actually see it happening ... I didn't realise the output disappeared on 5.9K until after shooting this review. I found the LCD screen very impressive when I was shooting... but you're quite right... it's not good in a professional environment, not to be able to have a monitor for everyone else!