Milwaukee M18 Table Saw a 2-1/2 Year Look Back
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M18 FUEL ONE-KEY 18- volt Lithium-Ion Brushless Cordless 8-1/4 in. Table Saw 2736-21HD and Folding Stand
Dewalt vs Milwaukee Table Saw ~ Comparison Review:
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2-1/2 year ago we tested the Milwaukee M18 cordless table saw. Back then we told you we impressed with the quality materials and a metal frame.
The rack and pinion fence is a quality feature that we've come to expect from job site table saws. DEWALT was the first to introduce the rack and pinion fence, and we’re BIG fans, since its earned its reputation as a sturdy, repeatable and accurate fence.
We also noted that Milwaukee resolved a Dewalt saw pain-point - the blade height adjustment knob. [operator must rotate the blade height knob many times to get the blade to full height.] M
Milwaukee designed a larger gearing ratio in their blade height and can achieve full blade height in 14 turns. In contrast, the DEWALT requires 35 turns to raise the blade to full height.
One of the biggest improvements compared to the competition is the on/off switch which works easily and effectively. It's robust and much easier to use than the DEWALT switch that can be frustrating at times.
The frame and handles on the M18 table saw make it very easy to carry and move. Weighing just over 40 lbs this saw is extremely portable and a great option for punch list work, finish work, and remodeling where a large saw isn't practical.
The Milwaukee also features a tool-free guard and riving knife removal, which is also an excellent feature. A lever on the rear of the saw easily and quickly releases the riving knife. No need to reach below the table surface into the blade area to release the guard.
Dust Collection
Milwaukee spent some time thinking about dust collection, like DEWALT they installed a canvas cover that "follows" the saw blade trunion. This design helps keep dust in alignment, with the dust extractor suction and keeps the dust flowing in the right" direction.
The reality is that most contractors do not connect to a dust extractor, but when hooked up to one, it works reasonably well. We use this feature once in a while and it works great.
So Did we get this one right?
Yep we did! The Table saw has been awesome! Plain and simple. There are NO NEGATIVE issues on the saw whatsoever. Total Keeper!!
Table Saw Stand -
The saw stand lost did lose it adjustable foot.
We ordered a new one at e-replacementparts.com and haven’t looked back since.
One-Key Features
With regard to the One-Key functionality. A lot of contractors myself included have not "jumped on the One-Key bandwagon," instead of deferring to larger commercial contractors to get excited about it.
The table-saw has One-Key technology and as I think more about it there are three major benefits to having it:
1. Security
2. Tracking
3. Asset Management
The reality is after 2.5 years I have yet to use the feature.
Price and Availability
The Milwaukee M18 table-saw will sell for $589 as a kit [12 Ah battery] and $450 as a bare tool.
The stand is an additional $99.00
Final Thoughts
We are very impressed with the Milwaukee M18 Cordless 8-1/4” Table Saw and the attention to detail put into it.
This saw is a prime example of the hard work Milwaukee is putting into building out the carpentry core tools, and their commitment to making a cordless job site.
This cordless table saw is a fantastic tool with some nice unique features, it is powerful, has great features and now competes with the DEWALT Flexvolt!
A healthy competition means better tools for us!
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A Concord Carpenter nailed this review on the Milwaukee M18 Table Saw. I now know it's safe to buy.
I wish it was dual powered. I like cordless tools but having the option to plug it in would be nice
Best of both worlds. I’ve rarely seen the need for a stationary tool to be cordless.
There's the Metabo saw, but that one is limited to 36v 4 ah at the moment when you need to go cordless and I don't think the company has any plans for going bigger than that...and if they do, they probably have to update the table saw as well to accept bigger batteries. Milwaukee just feels very confident about going cordless as runtime just gets better and better over time. It actually changes the way people work entirely, especially in workshops.
That would be cool
Yeah that is the only reason why I am hesitant on getting this one. Might get a different brand. Would like the option of battery and cord to plug in. Like the job site radio.
Could you do a longterm review on batteries from the different brands and how long they have held up and how many failures you have had?
Thank you purchased mine a few months back, based on your extensive review.
Hope you enjoy it!
This series is way up there in value, really appreciate it sir!
Glad you think so!
I love this series.. could you do one for miter saws?
Love these long term reviews, thanks Rob!!!
Another awesome video in the series. Here's a question/idea (I'm imagining it for a Table Saw, but I suppose it could apply to many other tools): for the "tape measure" portion of the tool why not use/incorporate a high-contrast electronic screen of some sort into the tool? Ideally, a tape measure (i.e., a long smartphone screen shaped like a tape-measure) on both sides of the blade, totally customizable in terms of: (1) imperial and/or metric in any resolution up to the physical limit(s) of the screen; (2) Measured/focused on either side of the blade (or from its center), and you can input blade thickness; (3) adjustable brightness (due to hugely varying lighting conditions, battery available, etc.); etc.? Needs to be bulletproof probably, and cost-effective. But then, protective glass (eg., Gorilla) is almost ridiculously good now I believe? Maybe it's cost-prohibitive, but then aren't the cost of 4K screens (and underlying electronics) dropping every day?
I just went back and watched the original videos yesterday. Thanks for the update.
No problem 👍
Keen to hear your long-term experience with this since I bought my M18 tablesaw for hobby furniture-making based on your review. Just sharing my 6 months experience: Dust isn't that well contained underneath the table so I've stuffed the largest openings I can with soft foam but still end up with a pile of dust on the floor even with vac attached. On/off switch is great. Cut depth was a concern downgrading from 10" to 8.5" but in practice this was no problem - even when re-sawing 2x4 into thin planks as long as you flip from both sides (Diresta does this sometimes when re-sawing on the tablesaw). Motor cuts sheet goods like butter, but you can't really rip-cut tenon cheeks (standing upright, on end, with a fence jig) since the motor bogs down trying to take a near-full height bite. For solid lumber you have to feed slower than a corded 10" job site saw; you'll hear the motor drop in pitch when you push material through as fast as you normally would on the 10" but I've never managed to stall the motor. Fence is good but I'm always trying to vac dust out of the tracks which covers the tape markings. Front fence rail seems looser than the back rail when the fence isn't locked. Not sure if that matters. Blade change is nice and simple with a single wrench required, you have to find the 'indent' when rotating the blade slightly to get the blade lock to engage. Mitre gauge has too much slop in the track so it's not accurate enough for my needs but that's been the same case with my previous Dewalt 7491.
Furniture making? Get a cabinet saw brother
That would be ideal but I have moved house/apartment so many times that I have to keep my shop tools light and compact as possible.
@@Anglesandacid I was wondering, these “job site” table saws typically aren’t as accurate compared to the aforementioned cabinet saw, I understand your situation of not having the space for the big saw, have you checked out Matthias Wandel or woodworking for mere mortals
The Dewalt 7491rs has been a good option for me. It is precise, robust and powerful. I can cut 3 inch oak no problem. Even now, I still use my dewalt saw for dado, groove, etc. even tho I have a panel sliding saw.
@@mateobelanger7925, apples and oranges when compared to the Flexvolt or Milwaukee M18 Fuel. The 7491 is not a portable job site saw. It weighs 90 lbs vs Milwaukee M18 @ 40 lbs.
We need them to figure out a cordless dust extractor that hooks up to their table and miter saws. Have it specifically made to do both and automatically turn on and off with the tools. Idk about anyone else but when I'm doing trim or flooring I got them both there side by side, and getting dust extraction setup is a nightmare, plus you add in that anything half decent needs a cord still, it's surprising to me they haven't figured this out yet. They can do it for everything else (cut the cords).
Thanks.
You pushed me over the fence for that 👍🏻
Glad I could help
Fence pun intended? Lol. 👍
@@rhinous1199 Not necessarily but if the wood fits,
Nail It!
I have come to the same conclusion. Bought mine right after your review, as soon they landed here in Denmark. It’s an awesome table saw. My friend has the cumbersome Festool CS70 table saw with all the add ons, but every time we go on a job together, it is the nimble Milwaukee i pull out. Takes 2 sec. to rig.
And yes besides the stand, it is flawless and with the 12 amp batt. you got plenty of power...
Thanks for sharing
Great saw...I have mine for 1-1/2 years...no problem ever
Looking forward to this look back, and hope you do a look back on the M18 10” miter saw as well. I’m curious to know if you still like it as much as you did in the past.
Will do
Have you ever thought about doing a video on setting up a table saw or mitre saw? I find your testing is brilliant and just bought a Milwaukee table saw because of your reviews on it but would like to know how to set it up. Getting everything straight and true.
Love this look back series!!!
i was gonna get a table saw but instead I got a circ saw, track base, and a couple of cheap tracks. It's hard to recommend since repeatability is strained and I can't use a dado stack, but when I realized I was never going to be able to fit a cabinet tablesaw into my life, I went full on in the opposite direction.
Would you have ever gone track saw with dedicated tracks instead of the circular saw and track base option?
@@theonlychewman i went the way i did cause I've never owned these tools before so getting a circ saw with a track base also got me a circ saw if they makes sense. Do dedicated track saws make good circ saws? I don't do plunge cuts with a saw.. Not sure when I'd ever need to
3 days into owning mine, a guy on site used it for a couple cuts and gouged my fence with my new blade.
I really enjoy watching your head to head and reviews on tools. When you talk I close 1(mouth)and open 2(ears), I'm looking at getting a table saw, but I'm stuck between the M18 8 1/4" cordless or Dewalt 10" corded table saw. So far Dewalt 10" is lower on price and bigger blade. Milwaukee table saw I have the M18 battery platform already biggest battery is M18 9.0. (these are the biggest thing holding me back from getting the milwaukee table saw: Is Milwaukee going to come out with a 10" cordless table saw? and I have the 7 1/4 milwaukee dual bevel compound miter saw (AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD I CAN'T SEEM TO DIAL IT IN TO CUT TRUE 90 WITH ANY BEVEL ANGLE ON SQUARE CUT 2X4). This saw has not been dropped, abused and has a new blade that only been used to dial the saw in then taken off if I need to use it. The blade that came with the miter saw I made a clock out of it. Just don't want to buy another tool that is this hard to dial in, if someone knows of something I could try, what I could be doing wrong, or any suggestions please let me know. have a Marry Xmas.
I was able to put a 8 1/2 blade on my M18 table saw. it's not 10"but it would be nice if Milwaukee made a m18 10" table saw I would jump on that as soon as I read SOME reviews.
Thanks for the update rob hopefully we will see a m18 fuel planer soon!
That would run out of power so quickly and having the planer stop middway would suck haha
@@FC-cq4wr I don’t see why makita and desalt have good brushless18v planers ? Unless your thinking of a thicknesser
@@FC-cq4wr Only an novice would use Low AMP BATTERIES TO RUN JOB SITE TOOLS
This saw has changed the way I work by being cordless and so portable. More than enough power for doing trim. Love this saw.
Gotta thank the guys at TBB for hooking me up with one!
One thing to make this saw even better would be a beer can holder.
Use your Milwaukee tools to make one ;-p
I wish Milwaukee had a corded option for the M18 batteries. That would make this saw a good alternative for small DIY shop where the users needs/wants benchtop tools that can stored away and used as needed. The batteries are expensive power sources that require regular maintenance even if they are not being used .... not to mention needing replacement every 3 to 5 years. The thing that you have not covered in you reviews has been the battery chemistry of the M18 batteries. LiFePO4 would be a lot more appealing than the more volatile and shorter life Lithium-Cobalt chemistries. I can understand the logic behind a cordless handheld power tool by it loses a lot of appeal as a bench top power tool.
Agree with all on quality but was wondering if anyone else is getting anywhere close to the 600 LF per charge. I bought a new 12AH battery and new saw blade and using 7/16 OSB, I got just over half that, 328 linear feet. I Tried again at an unsafe pace and got 344. I tried both stopping the saw after each cut and quickly running 4ft strips through. Not sure if they are using theoretical values in a lab but it also says 3/4 osb and I am using half of that thickness. Anyone else? Rob, it would be a good test.
Are they ever going to upgrade it to a 10-inch blade question mark that would be the sticking point for me
I wonder if you haul this or the flexvolt saw to jobsites more often.
I have the M18 in my van, my forman has the Flexvolt. Which saw we use depends on who sets up first
I love mine. very reliable and accurate saw
great review Rob
I eventually want to get either this or the flex volt. I remember in your head to head, it seems like the Dewalt was more accurate in some of your measurements. Like the 45 stop was like 46 point something degrees on the Milwaukee, I think. It seems like there were some other ways you found DeWalt was more precise like blade parallel to fence, etc. how do those numbers translate into your finished projects. I like the idea of the arbor lock, and some of the other handy features of the Milwaukee, but would rather deal with the Dewalt if that is going to give me a better end result. It sounds like you guys are happy with the Milwaukee too though. What do you think? I’d be mostly using it for repairs on investment properties. I appreciate your detailed reviews.
Thanks for this!
Great look back, thank you.
You bet
Thank you excellent information 👍
If only it had a spot for blade storage...
You never mentioned battery life. After two years how’s the battery and, what other woods you have cut besides pine. I’m asking because I’m looking for a new table saw that is small and powerful enough to cut hard woods. Am I going to need a second battery?
How many batteries do you recommend having before buying? I don’t have any 12.0’s but I’ve got plenty of 5’s, a 6.0, and an 8.0 do those provide any kind of detriment to the performance comparatively?
They’ll all work we run some smaller ones
Those batteries will work exactly the same as the 12.0, but you will need to recharge a bit sooner but that is the only difference you will see
Only use M18 12.0ah at lease two!
Again, well done sir! Thank you for posting/sharing. Still though...30 seconds...and go...Dewalt or Milwaukee?! (All thing considered...which one sinks which one swims...please pick one?!?) Thank you in advance! (Dave from CT.)
We own and operate both - they're excellent
In your original video of the two table saws you used a precision ground flat bar. Can you provide a link so I/we can get one? If it's good enough for you it will certainly be good enough for me! Thank you.
After all these years if you have neither Milwaukee or dewalt which one are you picking?
probably Milwaukee
@@ConcordCarpenter thank you sir
My question is how viable a cordless table saw is. Is the power and runtime there?
same question
Depends on the job and material you're working with. I use mine for hardwood flooring and it will last all day making rips whether cutting red oak or maple flooring when we are installing gym floors. Now I have had the tool shut down on me and eat through batteries when I was doing a maple stair tread install for a stage, but that job was an extreme case because they were 13ft treads and were causing a lot of blade pinch.
I've had mine for a year now. I've worked it hard even ripping 4x4s with it. The saw never missed a beat. That being said the table isn't precisely flat and the miter slots aren't exactly parallel to each other. The fence is accurate and easy to adjust though. Overall I'm pretty happy with mine.
Thank you so much .but I want to know who is the louder noise of dewalt7485 and milwaukee2736?
Love the tablesaw but $99 for that basic looking stand? Kinda insulting.
Right!
@ToolBox Buzz, hi Rob, nice follow up video. I really like the new series. Nice to have a library to go back to base it on 😉! What are you using to attach your vacuum hose to the Flexvolt Table Saw? I have a Ridgid vacuum who’s hose doesn’t fit, into the vacuum port. I even bought a new adapter kit at Home Depot that still doesn’t marry the hose to the port. Lately I’ve been duct taping the hose to the port. However, that really “sucks”! No pun intended...
Hi Rob...are you able to tell me what vacuum interface to use for the Flexvolt Table saw? Thank you!
One key is solely for commercial. Clearly.
So.... When is the Jigsaw test out?
soon
What batteries do you use in it primarily
Largest I have
I still think it should be a 10 inch blade it has enough power to do that.
I too have had mine for 2+ yrs and couldn’t be happier. One question, where have you found the best assortment of 8 1/4” saw blades?
I use theirs
Diablo and dont look back.
What about battery life? You didnt really speak on it.
Its fantastic I did a video comparing to Milwaukee against the Dewalt and I did a runtime test on batteries with 12 amp hour batteries, you should check it out
Tnx for the recomendation. Too bad I went with Makita allready :)
No worries!
How bout now
I hate mine. It's been a lemon. Every time you change the battery out it might work it might not. Everything I have is Milwaukee. It's the only tool I hate.
Then send the damn thing back and get a replacement David! You shouldn’t have to fight this stuff, especially with the amount of money we give Milwaukee!! They’ve got great tools but as with everything man, mechanical stuff breaks and occasionally we get a bad one out of the box and I know it’s a pain in the ass when that happens but take it/send it back!! If you had one that works like it’s sposed to then you’ll be in love but it’s frustrating when our stuff doesn’t work and I just want to run it over with a peterbuilt!!
All my stuff is Milwaukee also except for just a couple things
Is it the battery contacts?
@@ConcordCarpenter No. Started after only a couple uses. If I change the battery and let it sit a few days it works. I have probably $7000 in Milwaukee tools, from the Chainsaw to to the multi tool. Only the table saw has been a problem.
@@ConcordCarpenter I suspect it is a problem with One Key.
I just cant justify buy a battery powered table saw, miter saw or compressor unless it has the ability to plug in also along with other big power tool. Plus it should charge the battery also when plugged in.
I think the more you become loyal to a brand the more you ignore how shit some features are.
I use Milwaukee and Festool, have ALOT of both their tools, They're fine, but for the cost of some of them...Dam right they shouldn't break in 2 years, thats not even worth pointing out. "It still works great after 2 years" Well.. It fucking better be when it costs $600 and comes with a 3-5 year guarantee We need to hear what tools are like after 5 years of use every day.
😆🍻🍺😊
I do like milwaukee but i see them more as followers than leaders in tool design as in with the table saw basically just copied the dewalt changed the bits that dewalt missed, then you have the pack out system nearly waited till all the others had theirs out then again took all the best parts and put them together for themselves.
You do a dewalt review and never mentioned Milwaukee, you do a Milwaukee review and bash dewalt, gotta love those Chinese checks in your pockets
Agreed
I would buy it but because it has One-Key I will not and neither will any of my guys in the crew. One-Key should be any option like Bosch gives so if u don't want it, you can still buy the tool with out this horrible system. Shame on Milwaukee for this one.