EP3 Civic Type R vs RS Clio 182 Hot Hatch Rematch!

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  • Опубликовано: 14 янв 2025

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  • @PureLeeful
    @PureLeeful 26 дней назад +26

    I'm a Renaultsport fan, but acknowledge how good Hondas are. What a boring world it would be without both manufacturers making so many great hot hatches.

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад +3

      Absolutely! Healthy competition

    • @midlifecarsis6420
      @midlifecarsis6420 24 дня назад +2

      Competition breeds innovation 😊

    • @MiguelFerreira-qt2jt
      @MiguelFerreira-qt2jt 23 дня назад

      It's a political problem. It's E.U regulations fault, not the manufacturers. Of course, the rich and elites still get their fancy Porches, and fly over the world in much more high emissions airplanes. The middle class is the box bag, and they need to pay taxes for "climate change." In the U.S.A., they still get their cheap muscal cars, but guess what, they vote for Trump! The dum E.U citizens never vote for people like him. People over here believe in everything that elites tell them to do.

  • @markjones2547
    @markjones2547 25 дней назад +22

    Still got my ep3 ,12 years in and don't plan to sell

    • @ktys206
      @ktys206 22 дня назад

      Wish I got one years ago now they are silly money for a good one

    • @jermainesimpson834
      @jermainesimpson834 20 дней назад +1

      ​@ktys206 ya it's true especially low mileage

    • @jermainesimpson834
      @jermainesimpson834 20 дней назад

      Please don't it's a classic hot hatch nower days

    • @ktys206
      @ktys206 20 дней назад +1

      @jermainesimpson834 I was looking at one with less than 50k on it and the guy wanted 17k if I remember right

    • @ashleedanvers9945
      @ashleedanvers9945 8 дней назад

      Sounds about right in my area Someone wanted 11,000 for a 37000miles one 🫠 glad I own 2 sub 100k 😂

  • @sebspitz9995
    @sebspitz9995 26 дней назад +9

    I have owned my little racing blue Clio 182 for 8 years now. Whilst I've had some really extreme performance cars come and go I just can not let go of the little Clio. Great video!!

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад

      Thank you Seb! We're not surprised. That's your "forever" car now. Been on any fun roadtrips with it?

    • @sebspitz9995
      @sebspitz9995 26 дней назад

      @@cinch I cant see myself letting it go, far too fun! Its never been out of the UK but its been round most of the UK. Every time I jump back in it, it never fails to put a big grin on my face !

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад

      I don't blame you for not taking it out of the UK. It's just so perfect here. We're glad to hear that it's still gives you a chuckle. Are there any other cars that you'd like us to rematch for our next film?
      /Jamil

    • @sebspitz9995
      @sebspitz9995 26 дней назад

      @@cinch B7 RS4 vs M3

    • @BlueHopi144
      @BlueHopi144 26 дней назад

      Got a Twingo RS & i just love it too .....and i am already looking to buy a Ragnotti Clio RS ... a few are for sale in France where i live + the Bittany roads are amazing for those sport hatches

  • @D4Z3Dii
    @D4Z3Dii 25 дней назад +10

    Had an EP3 from 2002 - 2020 when it rusted away :D. Great car!. Few points, the Ep3 doesn't have stability control, or hydraulic power steering. The one you reviewed is a last of line premier edition that has privacy glass, red carpets and recaro seats. Its also a facelift, so it had a lighter flywheel and revised steering compared to the first revision. There was also a JDM version of the car ironically made in England in Swindon then shipped to Japan, it was available in Championship white paint, but also had significantly better parts inc a helical LSD, shorter 3-4-5 gear ratios, a higher compression k20 A engine that revved to 8,600 and made 212 bhp, stiffer anti-roll bar at the rear. It also shared alot of interior bits with the UKDM premier edition, so you got red recaro trendlines, red carpets etc. Golden age for hot hatches!

    • @GravyAndChips
      @GravyAndChips 25 дней назад +2

      Excellent knowledge there! I put 100k miles on mine, never skipped a beat!

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 22 дня назад

      Fantastic knowledge. Far better than the actual internet research I managed 👏😅

  • @tatshore1984
    @tatshore1984 26 дней назад +13

    I've had my 05 ep3 16 years next summer and still only got 72,000 miles on it, really looked after it love the car and never missed a beat. After either rs3 or amg 45s plus next year, but really will miss the Honda if I sell it, longest I've kept any car by a long way

    • @benpenagonzales6014
      @benpenagonzales6014 25 дней назад +1

      Get the new type R bud. Don’t know about the Audi but the merc was disappointing.

    • @S93.45
      @S93.45 25 дней назад

      Get the previous gen. The facelift version with all the upgrades and 381bhp. More raw, aggressive and driver orientated than the new ones. Go stage 1 or 2 and they're silly fast

    • @tatshore1984
      @tatshore1984 25 дней назад

      @@benpenagonzales6014 to be honest with you I've really been favouring rs3, was thinking of going for the new gen that I pick up for about 43 with low millage if I look around a bit, going to be a long term car again

    • @tatshore1984
      @tatshore1984 25 дней назад

      @@S93.45 I'll take a look at them 👍

    • @tatshore1984
      @tatshore1984 25 дней назад

      @@benpenagonzales6014 Plus I'm coming up 55 and I know it's a bit boring but definitely want auto next time, we all gotta get old 😏

  • @masterfok636
    @masterfok636 25 дней назад +15

    The EP3 type R doesn't have ESC thats why there's no off button.

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 22 дня назад

      Ah makes sense! It definitely doesn’t need it, the chassis is nice and predictable 👏

  • @kenzohkw
    @kenzohkw 25 дней назад +4

    These were the peak of hot hatches for the man/women on the street. Having owned a 172 Cup and driven many EP3s. Nothing has really excited me much since those glory days.

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 22 дня назад

      We did very much want to convey that in the UK at least, the noughties felt like a real peal 👌

  • @PaddyMcQueen
    @PaddyMcQueen 25 дней назад +3

    Had 3 Clios in the past, loved them and still missing them... the sad part is that it s impossible to find a mew car with the same pedegree. And guess what, in my perfect garage I will take both !

  • @gumpy4960
    @gumpy4960 25 дней назад +4

    Perfect time for hot hatches, they where still small and light, had a usable amount of power, exciting engines and not too expensive, it’s down downhill since.

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 22 дня назад

      I’d say the Fiesta ST and i20 N kept this spirit alive. Until they were killed off 😢 RIP

  • @NC90
    @NC90 27 дней назад +1

    Love the filming locations you guys pick, visuals are always 👌

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад

      Thank you so much! Which cars would you like to see us rematch next?

  • @glew1713
    @glew1713 23 дня назад

    I had both of these for a few years. Great video, reminds me how much I miss them😢

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 22 дня назад

      Thanks! Excuse to get at least one back into your life..? 😙

    • @cinch
      @cinch  21 день назад

      Thank you! If you were to have one of these again, which would it be?

  • @gregorrose8935
    @gregorrose8935 22 дня назад

    Glad to see Sam still has his Clio, I remember seeing his review of his car years ago before I bought my RB 182

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 22 дня назад

      They’re hard to let go of, aren’t they! Certainly don’t make ‘em like this anymore

  • @kazali6111
    @kazali6111 26 дней назад +59

    I trust honda more

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад +2

      How come?
      Also, which rivals would you like us to rematch next?

    • @kazali6111
      @kazali6111 26 дней назад +8

      Better reputation worldwide. Motorcycles. Lawnmowers motorboat engine etc. lots honda do. Renault not so. I think anything 80s or 90s hot hatch comparison would be good really

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад +3

      Oh yes, they've got their fingers in all the pies. Did you know that Renault used to make planes as well? The Rafale is named after one of their planes.
      80's hot hatch is a really good shout. That's kinda where things really kicked into gear for that segment. Thank you
      Ps. Please subscribe and share so we can keep making films like these

    • @kazali6111
      @kazali6111 26 дней назад

      Really. I has no idea

    • @SpecializedRider1986
      @SpecializedRider1986 26 дней назад +3

      I trust the Renaultsport more, ex-182 Trophy owner here. Best hot hatch ever!

  • @zidermakesispooky
    @zidermakesispooky 2 дня назад

    This is crazy, my wife and I had these exact cars at the same time! My Typer R was the same cosmic grey and the only difference is her Clio 182 was the darker metallic blue, this really brought back some fond memories.

    • @cinch
      @cinch  2 дня назад

      Now that's goals ❤️ Maybe we should have called this Retro Romance instead. We're glad to have brought back some memories. Any chance of being reunited with these gems?
      / Jamil

    • @zidermakesispooky
      @zidermakesispooky День назад

      @cinch Not since we had kids (we gave them up for boring practicality), once they've left home just maybe!

  • @Piranga
    @Piranga 24 дня назад

    Still have my Ep3, bougth in 02/2002. Every day put a smile in my face.

    • @cinch
      @cinch  23 дня назад

      Love to hear it? What's your favourite roadtrip in the EP3?

  • @vp272
    @vp272 26 дней назад +9

    Much prefer the Clio! Great seeing the reviewer having so much fun with a high rev low weight hatch

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад +1

      Trust us, he had plenty of fun. Would you like to see more onboard footage of said fun? Also, which rivals should we rematch next?

    • @vp272
      @vp272 26 дней назад

      @@cinchsure, if you want a retro early 2000’s battle maybe a Honda s2000 vs Mazda mx5?

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад

      That is a fantastic suggestion. Two very different approaches to the same concept. If you know anyone who's willing to lend us any of these cars, please let us know
      /Jamil

  • @fabjam
    @fabjam 18 дней назад

    first video ive watched from you guys, fabulous stuff

    • @cinch
      @cinch  18 дней назад

      Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you. Please share with like minded friends and subscribe

  • @crg92
    @crg92 25 дней назад +2

    Owned ep3 and currently own a 172 cup, both great the EP3 felt more special, but the chassis on the clio is fantastic

    • @cinch
      @cinch  25 дней назад

      A man of great taste. What was your ownership experience of these two cars like?
      /Jamil

    • @crg92
      @crg92 25 дней назад +1

      @cinch apart from having to replace the gearbox in the EP3 due to 3rd gear crunch (common issue) pretty positive!

  • @YZYE
    @YZYE 22 дня назад

    Great video mate.
    I’m a Honda fan personally, only ever had 4 of the EP shape (now on a Prefacelift JDM EP3) and also own an 90’s EG6 (currently being K-Swapped engine wise) so can’t wait - the years I’ve owned the car, I’d have had said that it’s a bit fairer to be put against slightly newer cars as it was genuinely that good! For example the Renault Clio 197, the Ford Fiesta ST-150, Vauxhall Astra VXR and Toyota Corolla T-Sport - these cars are much more similar I’d have said (slightly anyway) - The EP3 was my dream motor and finally I got one turning 21, insurance was high but worth it! The only problem like usual is that the cars can rust! My second EP3 was from Birmingham and turned out to be rusted through haha, always got to check for that - the Clio I’ve heard from a few people is a great car, never knew about the exhausts rusting, only that the gearboxes were made of paper, what everybody always says haha, love the colour on it, sad that Renault don’t make cars as exotic anymore; look forward to videos in the future though! Give those cars I listed a go against each other if you can, would be a good set of videos! Have a gooden mate.

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 22 дня назад

      Great shouts! We’ve got a nice list going here, thanks for the kind words

  • @farindeeba543
    @farindeeba543 23 дня назад +1

    Had an ep3 civic for 20years never missed a beat

    • @cinch
      @cinch  23 дня назад

      Fantastic! Staying in true Honda form

  • @kaptainemerica1
    @kaptainemerica1 26 дней назад +3

    The EP3 is lucky to have working ABS, let alone Stability Control lol, the EPS light you saw was the Electronic Power Steering (which you thought was hydraulic)

    • @jamiljafri4841
      @jamiljafri4841 26 дней назад

      I'd like to assume Honda designed the car to not have to lean on stability control?

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад

      There we were thinking that EPAS has come a long way. Looks like Honda did a pretty good job of it even back then

    • @rusolinio121
      @rusolinio121 26 дней назад +2

      Worst part about ep3 is the steering. Refuses to self center on 99% of them.

  • @koolkat969
    @koolkat969 25 дней назад

    Great to see Sam's Clio. It looks properly sorted. Miss the updates on Pistonheads. Partly responsible for me getting my Artic Blue 182 a few years ago. Still enjoying it as my daily and happy to have a Vtec in the form of a DC2 Integra alongside it. Thoroughly enjoyed this video production. Hope to see more of these modern classics on the channel now and then!

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 22 дня назад +1

      Thanks! Glad you liked it - and are loving your 182. We’ve long list of retro models to revisit so rest assured this format will be back 🙌🏽

    • @koolkat969
      @koolkat969 22 дня назад

      @SamSheehan55 Great....i look forward to it. Merry Xmas!

  • @adrianbunyard6015
    @adrianbunyard6015 26 дней назад +6

    I have had both in standard form. I loved the Clio. It was brilliant fun and handled great but my ep3 was a better car. It was much better inside, better engine and never went wrong. I would say in a straight line it was very slightly faster too. It don't matter which one you like though......both wonderful and hot hatch heroes.

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад

      Agreed! Both are wonderful hot hatches in their own way. Which rivals should we rematch next?

    • @adrianbunyard6015
      @adrianbunyard6015 26 дней назад

      @cinch maybe fast saloons, say Mondeo st220, accord type R 2.2, vectra gsi 2.5....not the 2.6 as it's rubbish.

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад

      Thank you for the suggestions! Would gladly film these
      /Jamil

  • @lilpeen9283
    @lilpeen9283 25 дней назад +1

    I was debating getting an ep3 for a while but I ended up getting a mk5 golf edition 30 tuned by rtec now making 370hp which makes it an absolute rocket

  • @HumdrumAnt
    @HumdrumAnt 26 дней назад

    Really great video, and love the presenting style, knowledgeable without trying too hard to be funny. Audio level is pretty low and the cut on the mic seems a little aggressive, perhaps a couple of lapel mics are in order for the next one! Keep it up guys.

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 22 дня назад

      Thanks! We’re forever learning and evolving so rest assured we’ll be working hard for the next one 🙌🏽

  • @dw1035
    @dw1035 26 дней назад +3

    Ep3 ❤

    • @cinch
      @cinch  21 день назад

      ❤️❤️❤️

  • @benpenagonzales6014
    @benpenagonzales6014 25 дней назад +1

    I had a ep3 back in the day and it was flipping brilliant. And yes the engine was amazing. I now have a Hyundai i20N but it’s more the love child of a 205 GTI and an e46 M3 than an ep3 replacement.

    • @cinch
      @cinch  25 дней назад

      You've got a good taste in cars. That i20 N is special in its own way. What's it been like to live with?
      /Jamil

    • @melaniezimmermann-jv7th
      @melaniezimmermann-jv7th 18 дней назад

      In what way is It a love child between the 205 and the E46 ?

  • @noze02
    @noze02 25 дней назад +1

    My dream car as a teenager (well it was the 172 not the 182), and my current car (EP3). Could not choose one so I need to get a Clio and keep the EP3. As they have mentioned, steering assist is electric on the EP3 and there is no ESP (Honda were even more confident on their setup than Renault Sport), otherwise a great video💪💪

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 22 дня назад

      Thanks! Clumsily mixed up steering systems but glad to know I hadn’t missed some hidden away ESP button. The car certainly doesn’t need it 🔥

  • @ldh2851
    @ldh2851 26 дней назад +1

    Great review of two heroes!
    Great quality of production and balance of info with driving, plus a welcome dollop of enthusiasm 🏆
    Where did you get your dash flocked Sam?
    Did you fit Quaife LSD?
    Clio's engine is much better as a daily as lower down torque much better (had both) have you thought about cams for a bit more top end Sam?
    K20 easy to get 250bhp normally aspirated with a couple of grand on exhaust, intake and remap.
    RARB great for both, the JDM EP3 has this as standard along with the LSD ; Trophy money for a JDM EP3 though. Corrosion often a bigger problem on the EP3, so check underneath!

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 22 дня назад +1

      Thanks for the kind words! 😀
      It was Banbury Flocking Services, and the LSD’s actually the cheaper (but supposedly identical) Blackline. Totally agree about the torque, I’ve been tempted towards cams a few times but this time I’ve decided to keep the car in its currently reliable spec. Touch wood…

  • @MrAdh1997
    @MrAdh1997 24 дня назад

    learning to drive atm and my first car i bought was a Clio 182 FF and LOVE IT had it just over 10 months now

    • @cinch
      @cinch  23 дня назад

      1) Congratulations on becoming a driver
      2) Now that's a really cool first car 👏 Bravo
      3) Do you plan to take the car anywhere for a roadtrip?

    • @MrAdh1997
      @MrAdh1997 23 дня назад

      @@cinch once i pass i want to take it round the nc 500 with my otherhalf, make it a long weekend trip

  • @iManMe23
    @iManMe23 26 дней назад +1

    I had the 306 Rallye around then. That thing was underrated. 4000rpm in 4th and the whole car resonated and sounded like an aeroplane.

    • @BlueHopi144
      @BlueHopi144 26 дней назад +1

      the 306 Maxi driven by French Pilots were phenomenal rallye cars !

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад +2

      The 306 Rally doesn't get spoken about enough. We'd love to film one if we got the chance

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад +1

      Was it a company car for the pilots?

    • @iManMe23
      @iManMe23 26 дней назад

      @@cinch I sold mine years ago. I have a 205 Rallye but it has been garaged for the last 20 years or so.

    • @BlueHopi144
      @BlueHopi144 26 дней назад

      @@cinch hope u will find one to drive ...

  • @iandavies1893
    @iandavies1893 26 дней назад

    A long time ago I fancied second car that would be fun but not shouty, so after some deliberation I bought a RS clio 172 and quality of the interior aside it spanked all it's competitors for driving pleasure and most for performance. I never had a type R that could keep up on a winding road, my friends Elise couldn't either. I swapped cars for the day with a mate with a 350hp imprezza who wanted to do swap cars afterwards... Renault have always made the most fun hot hatches as my R5 GT Turbo also proved. Good video 😊

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 22 дня назад +1

      Thanks, Ian! What a great car history you have. Naturally I agree with your opinions of Renault 🙌🏽

  • @mrvolkswagon1710
    @mrvolkswagon1710 26 дней назад +1

    Absolutely love this era of cars and I’m still stuck there. Had newer but just don’t appeal to me really too much nanny state, tech, screens and driving dullness now and clogged with emissions rubbish. Back then you had the mk5 gti that was the do it all but not amazing at anything, type r for revs, focus st for noise and then cars like the 182 you just kick it head in and it loved it. Cars peaked in this era

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 22 дня назад

      We totally agree that the noughties was a real sweet spot. Hopefully Hyundai or someone similar brings back a small hot hatch so it’s not actually the end 😢

  • @melaniezimmermann-jv7th
    @melaniezimmermann-jv7th 18 дней назад

    I would K20'ed the world, best street 4 cylinder ever (yes, over the Bialbero 😢) matched with one of the best gearbox... What a car the EP3 is, but you did the right mods to the Clio. 👍

  • @MrLense
    @MrLense 26 дней назад

    Love the video. This time last year I was looking at EP3s but I saw a Clio 182 much closer and cheaper to me so went with that. I would have been happy with either. The clio has been fun too.

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад +1

      Thank you MrLense! And that's the beauty of it: really accessible fun cars that stay affordable

    • @MrLense
      @MrLense 26 дней назад

      @@cinch Do you guys reckon these will be future classics? The past year I've had my clio it's gotten more attention on road and meets than I ever had with my mk7 Golf Gti.

  • @Maxx8666
    @Maxx8666 26 дней назад

    Love this kind of content

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад +1

      We do too! Which rivals shall we rematch next ? We want to make more content like this so please share with like minded friends to help us keep making films like this

  • @Deehawkeye77
    @Deehawkeye77 26 дней назад +2

    No cambelt on the EP3 K20a engine has a chain. Change around 100-120k if required.
    Pretty pointless to be giving postives to the Clio for modified parts seats/wheel etc. If the EP3 isnt feeling sharp its needing work. Both fantastic hot hatches but like for like the EP3 is quicker. Both handle great Clio cup suspension is godly. Reliability Honda is a clear winner. But corrosion wise Clio is miles better. Id call it even. I have had both btw.

  • @jam79red
    @jam79red 22 дня назад

    Had the 2003 172 sport. Lovely cars when left in stock trim

  • @meanlean3095
    @meanlean3095 24 дня назад +2

    The Clio needed the 197 with the 6th gear to make it a type r contender not the 182 5 speed

    • @mudachuka12345
      @mudachuka12345 23 дня назад +1

      I agree 182 makes 172 realistically.

  • @k20ee96
    @k20ee96 26 дней назад +11

    The EP3 had electric steering FYI, pretty universally panned for feeling crap. The DC5 integra from the same year kept hydraulic steering

    • @jamiljafri4841
      @jamiljafri4841 26 дней назад

      Wow even as early as that? I guess that's just the consequence of the Civic Type R being based on a high volume passenger car

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад

      Would love to have DC5 Integra in to film

    • @k20ee96
      @k20ee96 26 дней назад +2

      @@jamiljafri4841 indeed. The EP3 was a bit of a disappointment in some regards compared to the type Rs that had gone before. Electric steering, no LSD, no double wishbones etc. Great engine (I have one in my 1990 Civic), but certainly a less focused Type R than it's ancestors

    • @jamiljafri4841
      @jamiljafri4841 26 дней назад

      ​@@k20ee96must have been an uproar in the Civic Type R community. Crucially, was the way it handled a disappointment though?

    • @99Lezard99
      @99Lezard99 26 дней назад +2

      iirc the ep3 steering never was considered crap.

  • @DwellEasy
    @DwellEasy 25 дней назад +3

    There was no comparison the ep3 was better in every single department.
    That does not mean the 182 is not fun and a capable car.

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 22 дня назад

      I’d argue a K20-engined and gearbox’d 182 would be best 😝

    • @DwellEasy
      @DwellEasy 16 дней назад

      @ the chassis of the ep3 is way ahead of the clio. Double wishbone suspension on all 4 corners. The clio i personally believe is less serious and more fun on the road. The limit of the Clio is approachable on the road. The limit of the ep3 is not as it would become silly

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 13 дней назад +1

      @@DwellEasy That's definitely what I felt when driving these cars - the EP3 feels quite stable unless you really wring its neck, where as the Clio feels alive even at 75%. I think that's why Renault Sports of old sold so well in the UK. You could always enjoy them even on our narrow B-roads. That said, I've raced an EP3 in the Tegiwa Type-R Trophy, and that car felt fairly wild 🫣

  • @bassline2k10
    @bassline2k10 25 дней назад

    I daily drove a 182 for 11 years, it never once let me down. it needed little bits here and there but while i was a student it was perfect to have alot of fun while also being affordable. I still have it stashed away in a garage because i cant bare to sell it. I now have a Clio Sport 200, its better to daily but 182/172 platform is more fun for sure

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 22 дня назад +1

      I too was a student when I first bought my 182 so I know that low-budget requirement well! If I hadn’t modified it, it’d have only cost me a coil pack and normal maintenance 👌

  • @jasonboyle7203
    @jasonboyle7203 26 дней назад +1

    When had the ep3 liked the Bridgestone tyre .. Never driven a sporty clio seems I missed out 😢

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад +1

      Hi Jason. Definitely worth a try. They're still quite affordable too
      /Jamil

  • @tomwidgery2121
    @tomwidgery2121 26 дней назад

    Ben was a great presenter more of him please!

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад

      I know right! Consider it our new years resolution

  • @99Lezard99
    @99Lezard99 26 дней назад +2

    easy choice imo. take ep3, put the mods on it, away you go.
    or whats even better, get an eg or ek, take the k20 from that ep3 put it in that eg/ek and throw in a dc2 steering rack
    blow the doors off the clio and the next model and probably the next while also having fully indiipendant suspension all around.

  • @UKGBManny
    @UKGBManny 24 дня назад

    The K20 is used in everything such a beast of a engine capable of 450hp on stock internals. Crazy.

    • @derekporter66
      @derekporter66 24 дня назад

      How much to get there ?

    • @cinch
      @cinch  23 дня назад

      🤯🤯🤯 insane output for it's size and time

  • @TIM612826
    @TIM612826 26 дней назад

    I ❤ed my clio 182 WR55 LHD! Had him for 14 years! Only 3 years old when i bought him. MY dream car back in the day! Got written off by a stupid mare txting on her phone coming out of a junction! RIP Beastie! 😢. The best drivers car ive ever had! These cars will never be replaced, all the new ones are soulless!!!

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 21 день назад +1

      Ah that's a sad story :( But glad you also love the Clio! Brilliant driver's cars, indeed

  • @mc1996
    @mc1996 23 дня назад

    The RS also have variable valve timing and can also have two different behaviors. Careful with 4 point harness without a cage...

  • @djmandrick
    @djmandrick 24 дня назад

    That's a Premier edition ep3. Those Ricaros don't come in the standard version. Pre-facelift interior was black and green and had a two part flywheel, facelift it all went black and red interior, an upgraded one part flywheel and different bumpers. The Premier had those seats, nicer floormats i think, and possibly a Momo steering wheel (not sure if that was Premier and/or JDM import only) and was a kind of half-way house between the previous ep3s and the JDM version. The import had other considerable upgrades including even nicer seats, the Momo steering wheel, thick mats and red carpet, a front lsd, bigger antiroll bars and higher compression but same K20A2 engine with 212bhp not the 197bhp the Premier and other EP3s had. Premier and JDM import i believe were all in championship white only. You can't turn off ESC as it doesn't have it, sure mine's only assistance it has is ABS.

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 22 дня назад

      I now know that it was in fact Honda that was more confident in handling with no ESP 😱 The EP3 just doesn’t need it 👌

  • @KHID-JR
    @KHID-JR 27 дней назад +1

    AMAZING.🔥.

    • @cinch
      @cinch  27 дней назад +1

      Thank you

  • @GEARED_MrLucas
    @GEARED_MrLucas 6 дней назад

    Both great cars in their own way! 👌🏻 But a K20 is a far more superior engine in comparison to a highly strung F4R though! Hence why myself and a lot of others have done K-Swapped ClioSports 💪🏻

  • @graemedavison7309
    @graemedavison7309 26 дней назад

    All of the clios had the plastic front wings. I had the 1.2 8v with basic black bumpers and that had them. Great car.

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад +1

      Love the commitment to keeping things both lightweight and affordable

    • @graemedavison7309
      @graemedavison7309 26 дней назад

      @ and yet it’s not a feature on any other Renault from that era. There’s a good story there about why the Clio was different or why the design ethos just didn’t translate.

  • @mutahirali4103
    @mutahirali4103 23 дня назад

    I was 19 when I had an Ep3 back in 2009 and sold it. I regretted it every day. NOW 2024 just purchased another ep3 Type R.

    • @cinch
      @cinch  23 дня назад

      Surely that's gotta be your forever car now?

    • @mutahirali4103
      @mutahirali4103 22 дня назад

      @cinch absolutely 💯

  • @liviusurdu7112
    @liviusurdu7112 26 дней назад

    @cinch , wheelbase for clio is 246 cm , not 194 cm

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад

      Thank you. Accidentally used the width measurement
      /Jamil

  • @marktickle8480
    @marktickle8480 24 дня назад

    Had a mix of both manufacturers; DC2, DC5, Trophy 182 and 200 Cup. DC2 was the pick, followed by the 200 Cup, Trophy and DC5. DC5 was a disappointment compared to the others.

  • @OcdetailingCardiff
    @OcdetailingCardiff 26 дней назад +1

    my 2003 brand new at time 172 used to pull away nicely from EP3's - always cheered me up

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад +1

      It's the little things 😁

  • @bespoke500
    @bespoke500 26 дней назад

    Good video 😎but them harnesses in the clio are dangerous like that

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 22 дня назад

      Thanks! Rest assured they look at more of an angle in this video, but in reality they’re just over the 45-degree angle to be acceptable. I was grilled in my PistonHeads days to make sure of it 😬

  • @davyboy888
    @davyboy888 24 дня назад

    Sam do you live around Barnet as I keep seeing your car going up/down the roads around me ?

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 21 день назад +1

      I grew up there! Not in Barnet anymore, but still have family about so that's probably when you've seen the car 🫡

    • @davyboy888
      @davyboy888 21 день назад

      @@SamSheehan55 Ah right... I've a silver 182 and live in Cockfosters/New Barnet so your RB one piqued my attention. It looks great in the flesh ! There aren't many of them in/around where we are.

  • @19hmxd
    @19hmxd 25 дней назад

    Whats the panel on the a pillar? My ep3 never had them?

    • @cinch
      @cinch  25 дней назад +1

      It's a Bluetooth hands free module. Not a factory option either.
      Have you made any convenience modificationss to your EP3 Civic?
      /Jamil

    • @19hmxd
      @19hmxd 25 дней назад +1

      @ ahh i see!! And tbh mine is more a track car that i daily so its far from sensible haha. Generally stock but track upgrades fitted. Pbs pro race pads all round, c hook discs all round, mugen spoiler, mugen splitter, sports cat, m2 slash cut backbox, lowering springs, braided brake lines, poly bushes, camber arms, camber bolts, tegiwa strut brace, k&n induction kit, and probably a few little things here and there but thats the spec i had. I will have some videos on my channel soon!

  • @dragod7233
    @dragod7233 23 дня назад

    i drove that gen clio but 1.5 dci with 82 hp and it was going like mad , i cant imagine how is clio rs quick 😄😁😁

  • @lilpeen9283
    @lilpeen9283 25 дней назад

    We need a video with a mk5 gti ed30 vs a megane rs 225

  • @Nirdi2401
    @Nirdi2401 26 дней назад

    I think they should bring on also a peugeot 306 gti or a rally even. They are a little bit older but boy they could handle.

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 21 день назад

      Now I'd LOVE to film a Rallye. One for the list, for sure!

  • @DmaVR
    @DmaVR 26 дней назад +1

    Miss my ep3 type r , few k In handling mods and it’s even better . Remap it to lower the vtec range and it’s a completely different car . No fancy electronics just driver skill not like modern cars with esp , traction control etc

  • @SpecializedRider1986
    @SpecializedRider1986 26 дней назад

    Renaultsport 182 for me. Performance and reliability are outstanding and not matched by anything else. Chassis is perfect. Ex-182 Trophy owner here (186/500). Renaultsport didn't have to have a purpose built engine to perform amazingly. The F4R highly strung did amazing. The Trophy with the Orbisoud exhaust too is amazing. Only the Yaris GR Four recently has the ability to also hold the title of 'best hot hatch'. EP3 definitely not.

  • @iliverally8017
    @iliverally8017 26 дней назад +1

    I've just gone from a Clio 172 into a civic ep3 and the civic is much better built than the Renault I spent a lot on my Clio and was still getting issues every few weeks weak gearbox among other things going wrong only thing I will say it does handle better than the ep3 but I do find the ep3 the better car.

  • @mudachuka12345
    @mudachuka12345 23 дня назад

    Had both. Clio is better suited for a daily driver. Comfortable and had excellent xenon headlights and excellent mpg. Dephaser pulley gets noisy but doesn’t affect performance. It’s well known in Clio community that the 172 makes 162 and 182 makes 172.
    Civic is like a road legal track car, headlights were terrible on pre facelift. Ride was fidgety and bouncy not suitable as a daily driver. Radio and speakers terrible. Having to reach round for seatbelt is a pain. Handling and acceleration much better than Clio though.

  • @Minion106r
    @Minion106r 23 дня назад

    Should of chucked a 106 GTI on the mix. Smaller lighter and less power but boy is it good fun and revs the same as the clio

  • @Malpriorvids
    @Malpriorvids 25 дней назад

    The Clio also had variable valve timing.

    • @atomicasounds
      @atomicasounds 25 дней назад

      Variable valve timing is not the same as VTEC (Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control.) It's the lift that makes all the difference, VTEC uses an entirely different set of cams at high RPMs. Explaining the process with words alone doesn't do it justice. It gives you the kick in power and the infectious induction roar when you hit it. =)

  • @giuseppegiannino5686
    @giuseppegiannino5686 24 дня назад

    Le ho avuto tutte e due❤

  • @bossadave
    @bossadave 26 дней назад

    I’m lucky to have a Renault Clio Mark 3 Renault sport 200 Cup and a Honda civic Type R FK8. You could draw the same parallels with these vehicles years on. Surprisingly the Clio is the better built. But both have strong drivetrain underpinnings. The Clio is like a terrier who dug up a stash of speed in the garden and the FK8 feels like a BTCC car that got signed off for the road.

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад

      Interesting to see how these two traded blows throughout the generations. We're hoping the Alpine A290 can continue to give the Type R some stuff competition. Have you seen our review of it?

    • @bossadave
      @bossadave 26 дней назад

      @ sorry EVs leave me cold. I think they are good in a lot of applications but for an enthusiast it has to be ICE.

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад +1

      I totally understand your perspective. This year we were pleasantly surprised by a few enthusiast focused EVs such as the Alfa Romeo Junior Veloce, Hyundai Ioniq 5 N and the Alpine A290. They wouldn't be able replace an enthusiast ICE car but they do have their own unique flavour of fun. Highly recommend taking these ones for a test drive
      / Jamil

  • @jamiljafri4841
    @jamiljafri4841 26 дней назад

    I know that its a totally different beast but im curious to know what a Clio V6 is like to lice with today

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад

      If anyone owns a Clio V6 or knows someone who does, please get in touch. It deserves a film 👀

  • @andrewcrockford6151
    @andrewcrockford6151 26 дней назад +2

    I owned a civic ep3 type r for 11 years it was amazing and has a much stronger engine than french car honda all the way my mate had a clio 172 it spat a spark plug out he had it repaired was never the same

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад

      11 years?! Wow. Must have been hard to part with. Did you take it out on any road trips? If so, which was your favourite?

    • @andrewcrockford6151
      @andrewcrockford6151 26 дней назад +1

      It was one of the best cars I ever owned even over the 2 bmw i have had

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад

      Which BMWs did you have?

    • @andrewcrockford6151
      @andrewcrockford6151 26 дней назад

      @cinch
      E36 320i and a e91 320d

  • @mickl8212
    @mickl8212 26 дней назад +1

    No regular cambelt change on the civic....

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 22 дня назад

      Ah that makes me so jealous. My Clio’s is £600+ every 6 years 😢

  • @garethjohnstone8662
    @garethjohnstone8662 24 дня назад

    All Clios of that era had plastic wings. I bought a 2001 Clio 1.2 Dynamique and it had plastic wings. Pain if you damaged them because you have to use special paint that won't crack when flexed.

    • @cinch
      @cinch  23 дня назад

      Didn't think about that. The cost of light weight I guess

  • @adamevo6
    @adamevo6 26 дней назад

    Had a 172 back in 06 it was a good car, but preferred my 306 gti6

  • @darrylappleby3983
    @darrylappleby3983 25 дней назад +2

    Ep3 had electric power steering 👍🏻

    • @darrylappleby3983
      @darrylappleby3983 23 дня назад

      Oh and if you want to try a legendary car with great steering forget the dc5 and ask Hondas heritage fleet to borrow their dc2 😎

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 22 дня назад

      @@darrylappleby3983great shout!

  • @carrosechurrasco4154
    @carrosechurrasco4154 24 дня назад

    Clio it’s special 💪🚀

  • @konholio2
    @konholio2 26 дней назад +1

    I dont think the EP3 has any electronic stability controls.

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 22 дня назад

      Turns out Honda was the more confident brand! 🔥

  • @apox5308
    @apox5308 25 дней назад

    We had it so slow in the noughties. These things are slower than most modern 1.0 litre turbo engines😂😂😂

    • @SamSheehan55
      @SamSheehan55 4 дня назад

      Tell me you’ve never driven one of these cars without telling me you’ve never driven one of these cars 🙄 The quickest mass produced 1.0-litres have what, 150hp? And they weigh more these days. The EP3 and 182 feel properly quick, even today!

  • @NOGAS420
    @NOGAS420 26 дней назад

    need a late 90's hot hatch for all the old boy racers

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад

      Which 90's hot hatches would you suggest that we rematch in our next film?

    • @NOGAS420
      @NOGAS420 25 дней назад

      @@cinch Vauxhall Corsa vs Ford Fiesta vs Honda Civic vs Toyota Starlet etc

  • @acontadoquim
    @acontadoquim 25 дней назад +7

    Rival? not even close. Comparing a shit clio to a type R 😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @harpinos
      @harpinos 24 дня назад +1

      99% of the time, clio is better. 1% of the time (>6500rpm), honda is better.

  • @fredvallenet
    @fredvallenet 26 дней назад

    Why haven't I subscribed earlier is as mysterious as why you would prefer one or the other. I would've both if I could.

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад +1

      Haha indeed! Thank you Fred. Please share with other like-minded petrol heads so that we can continue to make more films like this
      /Jamil

  • @Dec-mc
    @Dec-mc 23 дня назад

    Ep's were a comfort sports car (DC 5 Fd 2 were true sports cars) that's why there is no tunnel down the middle , more comfortable in the back for passangers . I think the Boot is 1m wide .
    EP steering not correcting is the eps moter is nackered/ old& worn and a Derlin rack slider helps tighten the fell , eps moter is not cheap to replace and if they fell floaty then the tyres are cheap/ bad
    I cant sit on the floor anymore , i like a higher seating postion and the massive front window .
    Have a hate issue with the driver side sunvisor long term owners will understand.

  • @timothyfridie6471
    @timothyfridie6471 23 дня назад

    No drag race?😳

    • @cinch
      @cinch  21 день назад

      As much as we would have loved to do that, clutch dropping 20 year old cars sounds like a recipe for disaster

  • @AndyNorton-hz5gc
    @AndyNorton-hz5gc 24 дня назад

    No comparison for me,I've had a 182 and an ep3 and while the clio was fun to drive its reliability was shocking. I would choose the ep3 everytime

  • @EduS2K_
    @EduS2K_ 26 дней назад +1

    personalmente me gusta mas el ep3,los interiores son bastante mejores,la suspension trasera es independiente y el k20 es infinitamente mejor que el motor del clio,una mecanica super fiable y la caja de cambios dura como una piedra tambien.

  • @benwelham
    @benwelham 26 дней назад +1

    Right, who can buy me an EP3 Civic Type R now?

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад

      Not an EP3 but could I tempt you with this 👀 www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/honda/civic/details/d2295dc3-c5e5-47f4-8863-4461fa9db59d

  • @Marineavp
    @Marineavp 24 дня назад

    They are not rivals, clio is another category, his rival is the megane and they are not from the same time.

  • @nestorvega6421
    @nestorvega6421 23 дня назад

    The Best engine in the world, k20 & k24 😎💪🏽

  • @thomasbarron7218
    @thomasbarron7218 5 дней назад

    ep3 doesnt have ESC

  • @l0stcluster2
    @l0stcluster2 23 дня назад

    7:53 wheelbase is wrong

  • @daveyingram5329
    @daveyingram5329 23 дня назад

    Videos like this show how boring newer cars have become.

  • @victor6019
    @victor6019 23 дня назад

    Civic is segment C and Clio is B. Civic and Megane similar size. Clio smaller than Civic.

  • @TTOOS
    @TTOOS 22 дня назад

    British Type R is the crippled Type R..... So built in Britain was not a plus for us buyers.... Still much prefer them to the Clio tho.

  • @endless_touge
    @endless_touge 26 дней назад +1

    I respect Renault more than VW or Ford but still ain't Honda

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад

      How come?

    • @SpecializedRider1986
      @SpecializedRider1986 26 дней назад

      It's much, much better. Honda drivers have a bad name for themselves. Super chavvy. The 182 is a proper enthusiasts car.

  • @spg993
    @spg993 25 дней назад

    ep3s are either all getting broken for parts in birmingham or binned.

  • @richboy900
    @richboy900 20 дней назад

    EP3 best type R 🤟

  • @stuartmclaren7285
    @stuartmclaren7285 20 дней назад

    As some one who has had bothe the civic and the Clio civic was bullet proof and the Clio was definitely not

  • @Rafa-s1l
    @Rafa-s1l 21 день назад

    EP3 all day

  • @ashg7014
    @ashg7014 26 дней назад

    Clio has variable valve timing also, Clio is also quicker 👍

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад +1

      Ahh yes it does but the change isn't as dramatic. And clearly, it doesn't need to be

    • @mikewhitehead50
      @mikewhitehead50 26 дней назад +1

      A standard Clio is not quicker

    • @cinch
      @cinch  26 дней назад

      I believe they had similar 0-60mph times
      /Jamil

    • @SpecializedRider1986
      @SpecializedRider1986 26 дней назад +1

      A standard 182 is quicker, the Honda isn't as quick as you think. ​@@mikewhitehead50

    • @mikewhitehead50
      @mikewhitehead50 26 дней назад

      @@SpecializedRider1986 Civic tends to be quicker in tests, but there isn't much in it.