Mojang is just a studio now so Minecraft is technically a Microsoft series because if it was not updated after the buy out then it is an indie game but it was updated so now it’s a game not triple a just game
I think a character being an Assist Trophy is sometimes a great honor, because the character doesn't need to be balanced so sometimes they might have a cool ability or very strong attacks.
I’d love to see Starfy he’s such an underrated character and having him join would be fun and his moveset could be unique and sister Starly could be his echo or his replacement if he was upgraded
I've said this for years and even said the exact same thing on my ballot submissions for smash 4. I was mad when we saw him revealed as assist. Starfy series needs more love.
Chase_r Its a shame as well because America only got 1 starfy game when in total there are 5 games and a there were talks for a 6th game but it never happened. I believe its time to revive Starfy and introduce him to a new audience starfy has potential to be up there with Kirby Mario and Zelda.
I think the reason why Starfy's been an assist trophy for 3 games in a row is largely due to how all of his cool moves could only be performed when underwater because on land, he's pretty weak. And there's no way to properly work his underwater skills in Smash as every stage is on land.
If Street Fighter gets another rep, it's probably Chun Li, although an argument could be made for other characters like Akuma, Sakura, maybe M. Bison, and maybe even E. Honda. Guile is maybe top 10
12:17 If octolings become a fighter they would have to become basically an exact copy of the inlings but with a slightly different appearance. I think it would be better if some of inkling's alts become octolings.
You can give her different weapons specifically the ones inkling doesn’t use like the dualies, splatbrella, the different types of bombs and specials from splatoon 2. She has quite a lot, But a costume works I guess.
besides 1 Starfy game and a trophy (and a spirit) in smash, everywhere outside japan he has no representative. Starfy is the only trophy character I've wanted, my thirst for more starfy stuff has never been quenched
20:19 Actually, Commander BIT.TRIP (I believe that’s his name?) appeared as a trophy in Smash 4. That technically makes HIM the first indie character to appear in Smash at all.
This is a really good tier list. Also, Ima make a list of wanted fighters: Waluigi, of course. Drybones, obvious. -Steve, because why not.- Robbe- I mean Tom Nook. And some nighmare fuel, K. K. Slider. 7:48 LETS GO STEVE IS HERE
My list of wanted fighters would be: Reimu Hakurei, I love Touhou and I just want a Touhou character in Smash. Marisa Kirisame, same reason, also Marisa Stole the Precious Thing exsists. Yukari Yakumo, same reason. Alice Margatroid, same reason, also Marisa Stole the Precious Thing exsists. Flandre Scarlet, same reason, also U.N. Owen was Her? exsists. Remilia Scarlet, same reason. Sakuya Izayoi, same reason, also Night of Nights exsists. Elly, same reason, also Bad Apple!! exsists. Nue Houjuu, same reason, also Galaxy Collapse exsists. Cirno, same reason, also Beloved Tomboyish Girl, Chirumiru and Cirno's Perfect Math Class exsists. If you've seen my previous comments, this was very obvious. Touhou for Smash!!
The easy way to make a character: have a "base" character or item. Examples include: parana plant and duck hunt They both are simple one trick items or gimics and tacking them onto another more versatile character to equip them for battle. Maybe if dry bones recovery can turn him into a boo to fly up and steal items on the way, or a forward smash that could turn him into a bone plant.
Hey just thought I should mention that Commander Video was a Trophy in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U making him the first Indie rep. Also I don’t think Steve is an Indie character anymore as he’s owned by Microsoft
21:41 I think one of the geatest arguments for Waluigi is that beyond Peach's golf club there's really no Mario sports/party games representation among the fighters. He could have a moveset using different sports equipment and inspiration from various MP minigames (e.g bumper balls). On the topic of Nightmare I think he could have a decent moveset and could also be shrunk down easily, but if there will ever be a Kirby final boss rep (besides Dedede) I think Marx, Magolor and Dark Matter are all way ahead of him.
Being honest if they were to get rid of pirahna plant I think they should replace them with goomba thier more iconic and have legitiment move potionel (not as much potential as piranha plant tho)
Grey Fox is an actually a very old Metal Gear character that hasn’t appeared in a game in a long time expect as a costume in Metal Gear Rising Revengeance. There are like a dozen characters that are more popular then he is so it would be strange if they added him in, it would be like adding Silver as the second Sonic character.
Raiden would make a lot more sense, as he does everything Grey Fox does, but better, and he's been the main protagonist of two games in the series, and he was even the main playable representative of the Metal Gear series in Playstation All-stars.
I’d love to introduce the black knight into smash in a future game after cutting a few (Roy, chrom and Corrin likely) alternatively, Hector or Lyon would be cool and unique, especially Lyon as another villain
Zero and Alucard have my highest bets. Alucard was planned but traded off for the Belmonts however could get that extra push to get the promoted. Zero has been given a Mii Costume and 3 Spirits, New Voice Lines for Smash specifically and is a very popular character among Mega Man Fans and Marvel vs Capcom fans. Along with these both feeling the most fighter like in their own movepool and them both to be exciting additions.
Question for fellow commenters: What character do you want in smash that not many people agree with or thought of? My choice that not many people thought of is Team Snakemouth (Vi, Kabbu, and Leif) from Bug Fables: The Everlasting Sapling, they would play similarly to Pokemon Trainer, would have a number meter called TP (Teamwork Points) so they can use certain moves or specials, would have movesets for each fighter, and their final smash can be Snow Bowling which is a skill move in the game that requires the entire team to have a turn. The pro's for this being the new character are that the game would get a ton of support and have huge sales specifically for the Switch so that Nintendo can make some money too, the company that owns it isn't too harsh when it comes to deals with other companies, and they're a small group of developers so it will be easier to negotiate. A few cons from this character getting in though is that it might take away the fame Pokemon trainer has, (but Pokemon is a well established series and the character has already established itself as a good main so it wouldn't effect it much at all,) most people wouldn't recognize it, (Although, they were able to do the same thing with Hero, so it will still be fine.) and it's supposed to be a successor to the original Paper Mario (but it has many different mechanics that make it different, and Nintendo has willingly supported it by giving it multiple entries in the Switch News, meaning that Nintendo either thinks that they are different enough from their original Paper Mario titles, or that Nintedo doesn't seem to care about it being just a successor). So far, all pros seem amazing for both copanies, and all the cons are counteracted by other points in the game, so it would be an amazing idea for Team Snakemouth (Vi, Kabbu, and Leif) to be a fighter!
Andross can work as he has a full body model from Star Fox zero Nightmare could work perfectly, he has enough from Kirby’s adventure Tingle can pull from his own spin off game series and has a moveset form Hyrule warriors, it would work just fine
I think Takamaru is The next assist trophy figther because he was a Cut character in Melee and Smash 4 that got turned into a asisst trophy. By The way i think Takamaru would be a great figther XD
Not the same. Having a Spirit become a fighter wouldn't create such a strange inconsistency as if an Assist Trophy were to in this game. Not impossible, but a Spirit gaining a fighter level in no way opens the door for an Assist Trophy to do the same. Assist Trophies already serve a purpose, and having one become a fighter would mean either removing it or having the fighter and Assist co-exist, maybe disable it if the fighter version is in a match? Min Min's appearance as a fighter and even her new fighter Spirit do not conflict with her original appearance as a Spirit. Sure she can technically equip herself now, but have in mind there are other characters who have multiple equipable Spirits of themselves, like Mario, Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, Samus, Ridley, etc. Again, not impossible, but most certainly more difficult to do without being disruptive. Making a Spirit into a fighter is like getting a picky eater to get a cheeseburger with everything on it, sure it's not ideal, but it can be done. Making an Assist Trophy a fighter in the same game is like expecting a lactose intolerant person down a milkshake, much harder and much more consequential, can be done, but at what cost?
Chain Chomp would probably never happen simply because of Piranha Plant already being in, but it could still be a pretty fun character. Some ideas for moves for it could be a grapple recovery using its chain (a post would appear on the ledge and the chain would attach to it before the Chain Chomp swings back onto the stage), a side special where it rolls forward like in some of its games, a down special where it launches into the air and quickly crashes to the ground (like the Chomp Shark from Yoshi's Island), and the rest of its moves could use some combination of its body, jaws, and chain to attack. Also one possibly could be attaching a go kart to the end of its chain (referencing Mario Kart Double Dash) to do extra damage, either temporarily as one move or maybe as a mechanic in its moveset.
I'm not disappointed with Krystal's placing on the tier list. That's a good thing honestly. Ever since I picked up this game and played it with friends summoning Krystal for assistance, I've wanted her in the game. And not for those reasons, get your heads out of the gutter, readers. I'm saying her style of character would be a refreshing and new style of play than others in her class. She'd be an interesting mix of Byleth and Wolf. Her staff would have ranged attacks and be her recovery means, like in SF Adventures, in reference to the staff abilities. Her down special would be her staff shield which would be a reflector/absorption field to match the boys in the group. I also imagine Krystal's side special as being a mix between Byleth and Wolf, that being she'd slash her staff upward and dash either horizontally or at an angle like Wolf, with a sweet spot at the tip of the staff. I think she'd be such a cool character to play from a franchise that really needs to give her some more love.
Chun Li and Liquid are characters I'd consider above Guile and Gray Fox in their series' popularity. Jeanne might also be a Bayonetta clone before Rodin but either/or work.
For Andross, I don’t think it’s possible to make him a fighter, because you only fight his head, and his hands in all the Star Fox games where he’s a boss, except Star Fox 1/Starwing and Star Fox 2. In Krystal’s case, she’s, alongside Andross, one of the most unique Star Fox characters. If I had to add another Star Fox character, it would be easily her.
I feel like you underated Midna's chance. She is probably the single most beloved Zelda companion/Zelda character in general, and is from Twilight Princess, which despite being the 3rd best-selling Zelda game of all time (even if you don't count the re-releases), doesn't have a character in the roster currently.
The fact the TP version of zelda was in two smash bros game more then enough proof the game was represented well in smash. Characters outside the triforce trio is not all that popular.
@@INFERNO95 Twilight Princess is not represented well in SSBU. They completely dumped it from the character roster for no apparent reason in this game. I understand wanting to represent more games in the franchise, but there is no reason you can't put multiple incarnations of Link on one slot, or multiple incarnations of Zelda and Ganondorf. Twilight Princess got cut from the roster entirely for no reason at all.
@@petery6432 The TP character models were starting to get bland and boring, especially Zelda who constantly had a lifeless expression. Even in her taunts and victory screens she just had a dull look on her face. They've already been in 2 games in a row let the other incarnations have some spot light.
@@hardrubbernips_ Um, serious does not equal lifeless. Breath of the Wild Link shows no emotion, yet I don't see people calling him "lifeless". Secondly, everything you said doesn't justify not having multiple incarnations per character slot, something I brought up specifically. Some people like the more serious personality that the Twilight Princess and Ocarina of Time incarnations had in previous games. There is no reason to only include one version of Zelda while Ike, Bayonetta, Hero, and even Cloud to an extent have multiple versions with unique models and voices that reference multiple games.
Alucard was considered for Ultimate. And I believe he is in the most playable roles in the series (Maybe 2nd to Simon). There's no doubt that if there's a Smash 6, Alucard is in.
I think its strange that assist trophies werent utilised more in the Classic modes. Like, you have more characters to work with in Classic mode rounds if you use ATs too.
As a fighter, knuckles would be Easy because he has numerous move set options and he would play way differently from sonic (which people would really like)
To make a point i made an entire moveset for moon since you put it in impossible tier Moon MOVESET Heavy with 2 jumps Basic Attacks Jab: Bite (Moon Bites Down) Basic Jab Dash: Charge (Moon Charges Forward) Pretty strong Damage Side Tilt: Rock (Moon spits out a rock) Does Great damage but no real knockback Up tilt: Talus (An arm comes out of the moons mouth which he swings above him) Does Great Damage but No real knockback Down Tilt: Roll (Moon rolls on the floor) Basic slide down tilt Side Smash: Ending Crash (Moon Jumps up and crashes down at a vertical angles) Does A lot of damage Up Smash: Magma Bomb (Moon shoots a magma bomb out of his mouth above him) Does Great Damage but no real knockback Down Smash: Clock Tower (Moon Jumps up as a clock tower appears below them and they crash into leaving debris) Does Great Damage if touching the moon but no real knock back where the debris does good knockback and slight amount of damage Aerials Neutral Air: Spins (Moon spins) Does Great Damage F Air: Octo (Moon spits out a rock) Does Great damage but no real knockback B Air: Pulled (Moon charges backwards) Does Great damage with big hit box but very slow Up Air: Talus (An arm comes out of the moons mouth which he swings above him) Does Great Damage but No real knockback Down Air: Head Dive (The Moon crashes down) Hits great damage but will die if used over blast zone Grabs Grab: A Purple chain comes out of his mouth (tether) Pummel: Slightly hits opponent against floor F Throw: Lifts Opponent Up before smashing them on the ground B Throw: Pulls opponent toward them before jumping Up Throw: Lifts Opponent Up Down Throw: Lifts Opponent Up and jumps above them before smashing into them Specials Neutral Special: Rotation The moon jumps forward like Shieks Special. It will act like a stronger version of shieks special. And when i say stronger i mean twice as strong and 10 times the knockback. Now don’t worry there are trade offs. First super slow going around the same speed as ness’s pk flash. Second and more chaotically while hes moving its treated like a projectile. Meaning that the attack can reflected which would just do the knockback and damage it would’ve done to the opponent to it. Or even be stolen by villager where the moon will act as though its been buried having to mash out of villagers pocket before villager throws him off the ledge. Side Special: Consume Moon chomps down. Acts exactly like wario's neutral special with the caveat that you can move with the opponent still in your mouth. if you use another special while eating the opponent will move with you. Also you can carry multiple opponents leading to all the terror. Up Special: Giant Lift 4 giants appear under the moon and throws him up. Acts like mr game and watches up b with out the parachute and less lift. But can be used twice in the air before putting them into free fall Down Special: Major Crash The moon crashes down on fire while in the air and slides on the floor still on fire if used on the ground. Acts exactly like ganon's wizard foot Final Smash: Clockworks End The moon turns massive and crashes down onto the stage Cosmetics Costumes Moon Dull Red (blood moon) Purple (Majora's mask) Orange (Sun) Pink (Great Fairy) Green (Link) White (Original) Pure Black (Original) Taunts Glows red as a moblin swings forward (if you ask how this works with the red costume the red on that costume is duller then the red the moon would glow) Glows Red as a lynel punches behind them Spins like a wheel Victory Animations Nothing appears on screen before moon crashes down on ground A black screen appears as majora's mask appears and looks at the screen A black screen appears as a blast of fire hit the camera knocking the camera back
About the Zelda characters that are playable in Smash Ultimats. In terms of distribution by timeline branches; the Downfall Timeline gets Zelda, the Adult Timeline gets Toon Link, the Unified Timeline gets Young Link and Ganondorf, and Breath of the Wild is either a dragonbreak or an inevitable outcome of all three timeline splits and BotW is represented by Link and Sheik. This leaves the Child Timeline without a playable character with the transition between Smash 4 and Smash Ultimate replacing Twilight Princess Link and Zelda with completely separate characters that share their names with them, being BotW Link and ALBW Zelda. Each Link and Zelda that have been in Smash are separate characters with separate stories. Twilight Princess Link is the descendant of Ocarina of Time Link and Zelda’s name is a name that is used repeatedly through Hyrule’s history. Without Twilight Princess Link and Zelda (and OoT Zelda) in Smash Ultimate’s roster, the “Everyone is Here!” line in the advertising is A BIG FAT LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
18:00 I'll be honest, I know absolutely nothing about the takamaru franchise, but I have had a mild interest in the character due to it being represented in Nintendo Land as an amazing minigame, which may seem stupid, but I stand by it.
Since you’re not a big Fire Emblem fan, I wanted to mention that Black Knight should probably be 1 tier higher because they have echo fighter potential as an echo for Ike. Black Knight’s sword is the sister sword to Ike’s, so they would have similar fighting styles. Also, Lyn is usually the most requested Fire Emblem character for Smash. Most people don’t want any more obviously, but the few that do prefer Lyn. Also, Knuckles could be a Sonic echo fighter too. In most games, they have very similar moves with the exception of Knuckles’ glide and wall climbing. If not an echo, then at least a clone
ik its an old video, but call me crazy, the metroid COULD work if they allow it to switch between it's different stage forms. in Metroid II and Samus Returns, Metroids grow as they age to look more and more reptilian. the iconic metroid we know is actually just it's larval state. i feel like using it's abilities it gets from the other later stages like firebreath would be super interesting also i'd say Chun-Li is a bit more likely than Guile to be another street fighter rep lol
I want Waluigi, Krystal, Ashley, Shadow, Skull Kid, Sukapon, Shovel Knight, Bomberman, Midna, Spring Man and Zero as playable characters for Smash Ultimate!
Monster Hunter Stories 1 and 2 feature Ratha and Razewing Ratha respectively, which are smaller than normal Rathalos who are accompanied by a Rider on his back. This fixes the size issue and adds more moves since the rider can attack while on Ratha's back.
I think It would be cool for If an assist trophy became a fighter that their reveal trailer for the next smash game acknowledge It by them busting out of the assist trophy, busting heads and then splash screen
I just dont see any existing Assist Trophies to get in since the Min Min Trailer trolled people to believe that the Assist Trophy upgrade thing would happened, but it didnt, HOWEVER i do think we should get past Assist Trophies who didnt return as the same function like Mr Resetti, Magnus, Kat and Ana, Saki, Wind Waker Tingle or even Jill.
20:44 I don’t think Steve counts as an indie character anymore, now that they are owned by Microsoft. They definitely deserve to get in though.
1ts2EZ indeed
True, guess It Depends how you look at it
Mojang is just a studio now so Minecraft is technically a Microsoft series because if it was not updated after the buy out then it is an indie game but it was updated so now it’s a game not triple a just game
@@applesgrabbag3737 Also there's minecraft earth and dungeons
Aaron Castle those aren’t indies
Plot twist: The chain chomp in Mario tennis aces is the same character as Pirahna Plant in Smash ultimate
Call Game theory right now we just exposed the whole mario universe
Then what is Fire Piranha Plant in that game?
@@Marshall.R A different pirahana plant
So the character that won me my first tournament in tennis aces is playable in smash let's go
Huh interesting theory
ZSS and Mario: “aight, who stole my ladder combos?”
Simon and Richter: “...10:43...”
at least its not luigi ladder thats gone
I think a character being an Assist Trophy is sometimes a great honor, because the character doesn't need to be balanced so sometimes they might have a cool ability or very strong attacks.
22:40
"Sonic series is easily the worst representative series"
Cloud: *Cries in 1 character, 2 spirits, and 2 songs*
That's Why I said character wise, Final fantasy is definitely worse in terms of everything, poor cloud
I really want One Wing Angel.
Nassive Explosion and all Avalanche themes.
@@Odyssey_Central
My Mistake Then
That square fault not Nintendo.
Odyssey Central who’s your most wanted Sonic character
I’d love to see Starfy he’s such an underrated character
and having him join would be fun and his moveset could be unique and sister Starly could be his echo or his replacement if he was upgraded
I've said this for years and even said the exact same thing on my ballot submissions for smash 4. I was mad when we saw him revealed as assist. Starfy series needs more love.
Chase_r
Its a shame as well because America only got 1 starfy game when in total there are 5 games and a there were talks for a 6th game but it never happened.
I believe its time to revive Starfy and introduce him to a new audience starfy has potential to be up there with Kirby Mario and Zelda.
Yes, I wonder where that series went.
This commet made my day, the only thing that better than him in smash, would be getting releases of the first 4 games outside of japan
I think the reason why Starfy's been an assist trophy for 3 games in a row is largely due to how all of his cool moves could only be performed when underwater because on land, he's pretty weak. And there's no way to properly work his underwater skills in Smash as every stage is on land.
during the mario part of the Fire emblem part, rosalina was there, but had no stocks. Coincidence? I think NOT!
no time stamp?
@@gopher275 14:55
If Street Fighter gets another rep, it's probably Chun Li, although an argument could be made for other characters like Akuma, Sakura, maybe M. Bison, and maybe even E. Honda. Guile is maybe top 10
I really want skull kid. His moveset would be unique, and his final smash wouldn’t be hard to incorporate (maybe he releases majoras wrath idk)
7:14
Spanish Resseti is ready to fight...
*EH,TU!*
Everyone: Walauigi for Smash
Sakurai: did I hear you say a fire emblem character
Clutchathan I swear to god if they add another Fire Emblem character
Jousha Windsor lol why can’t I dislike a character, why do I have to like all of them
@Jousha Windsor no more sword fighters Sakurai you clown trolled bastard 😡😡😠😠😠😤😤😤😡😡😡😡😡😡
Jousha Windsor I agree with fat pirinana plant tbh
Did you get a heart from Odyssey?If so,you might have lost it because you edited it.
Did you have to remind me of pac-man and the ghostly adventures that show was the scariest thing I have watched
Remember the weird pimple episode
The Fat Piranha Plant oh please stop your scaring me
Groggy Spore suffer with me
agreed yet i wanted to see all of it
speedy jolteon yeah, I never got to finish the series
I'd like to see Mr.Resseti he's TOO OP smh my head add him in the game 😤😤😤😤
Oh hey Odyssey thanks for the Heart!
Smh my head?
@@Corridor3000 yeah cause why not
Oh, Akira and Arsène!
If Waluigi isn’t in S Tier I’m unsubscribing.
Edit: I’m staying subscribed.
Edit #2. I’m JOKING for cryin’ out loud.
Waluigi bad
@@wooper7735 ^
Why are you mad about it?
Shyguy better
ShyGuy #ShyGuyInMarioMaker2
“This franchise isn’t popular enough to be in Smash”
* Laughs in Ness
12:17
If octolings become a fighter they would have to become basically an exact copy of the inlings but with a slightly different appearance. I think it would be better if some of inkling's alts become octolings.
I was thinking they're likely to be echo fighters
@@Odyssey_Central yeah since they are basically the same,would love to see Octolings
@@Odyssey_Central but echo fighters are stupid dummy heads
@@Odyssey_Central i'll pick waluigi because he's my goku.
You can give her different weapons specifically the ones inkling doesn’t use like the dualies, splatbrella, the different types of bombs and specials from splatoon 2. She has quite a lot, But a costume works I guess.
Odyssey central videos is like candy
You get excited when there is more of it
I guess
Then you get older and stop liking candy
ya no its yes yes! YES!
@@kadenroell3180 i hate candy and 10
besides 1 Starfy game and a trophy (and a spirit) in smash, everywhere outside japan he has no representative. Starfy is the only trophy character I've wanted, my thirst for more starfy stuff has never been quenched
20:47 Congratulations, you're a prophet
Odyssey: Shovel Knight is the first indie thing in smash
Commander Video Trophy: Am I a joke to you?
Literally had no idea that existed lmao, thanks for pointing that out!
@@Odyssey_Central you're welcome :)
@@Odyssey_Central Also why is Sherrif in the unlikely tier? I dont see how you could give him a full moveset.
gun
@@genericchannel4910 gun go pew
Roses are red,
My friends name is Theo.
You thought this was a poem,
BUT IT WAS I, DIO!
>:O OH SHI-
Plot twist
YOU FELL FOR IT! THUNDER CROSS SPLIT ATTACK!
But...why? This video has nothing to do with JoJo’s you didn’t need to make this comment
Let him just make it
20:19 Actually, Commander BIT.TRIP (I believe that’s his name?) appeared as a trophy in Smash 4. That technically makes HIM the first indie character to appear in Smash at all.
This is a really good tier list.
Also, Ima make a list of wanted fighters:
Waluigi, of course.
Drybones, obvious.
-Steve, because why not.-
Robbe- I mean Tom Nook.
And some nighmare fuel,
K. K. Slider. 7:48
LETS GO STEVE IS HERE
uhhhh yes
My list of wanted fighters would be:
Reimu Hakurei, I love Touhou and I just want a Touhou character in Smash.
Marisa Kirisame, same reason, also Marisa Stole the Precious Thing exsists.
Yukari Yakumo, same reason.
Alice Margatroid, same reason, also Marisa Stole the Precious Thing exsists.
Flandre Scarlet, same reason, also U.N. Owen was Her? exsists.
Remilia Scarlet, same reason.
Sakuya Izayoi, same reason, also Night of Nights exsists.
Elly, same reason, also Bad Apple!! exsists.
Nue Houjuu, same reason, also Galaxy Collapse exsists.
Cirno, same reason, also Beloved Tomboyish Girl, Chirumiru and Cirno's Perfect Math Class exsists.
If you've seen my previous comments, this was very obvious.
Touhou for Smash!!
“Shovel Knight is if I recall correctly the first indie representation in Smash”
* Cries in Commander Video
The easy way to make a character: have a "base" character or item.
Examples include: parana plant and duck hunt
They both are simple one trick items or gimics and tacking them onto another more versatile character to equip them for battle.
Maybe if dry bones recovery can turn him into a boo to fly up and steal items on the way, or a forward smash that could turn him into a bone plant.
Hey just thought I should mention that Commander Video was a Trophy in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U making him the first Indie rep. Also I don’t think Steve is an Indie character anymore as he’s owned by Microsoft
21:41 I think one of the geatest arguments for Waluigi is that beyond Peach's golf club there's really no Mario sports/party games representation among the fighters. He could have a moveset using different sports equipment and inspiration from various MP minigames (e.g bumper balls).
On the topic of Nightmare I think he could have a decent moveset and could also be shrunk down easily, but if there will ever be a Kirby final boss rep (besides Dedede) I think Marx, Magolor and Dark Matter are all way ahead of him.
Does everone just forget about Waluigis special abilities.
poyo
yes i agree with the bosses we need marx as a fighter sure marx is in the game not a fighter though
@@genericchannel4910 hiiiyaaa yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Ah yes, The Mysterious Murasame Castle, the Nintendo franchise that wasn't
Dude if Chain Chomp was a fighter I’d main it. That would be so cool.
I think chain chomp would be an echo fighter or semi-clone to piranha plant
Being honest if they were to get rid of pirahna plant I think they should replace them with goomba thier more iconic and have legitiment move potionel (not as much potential as piranha plant tho)
@@killmii8473 they have no chance what do you mean!! alts would work but moves no no ok it would slightly work
@@gopher275 You sound like the guy who said Sakurai wouldn't add Steve to smash.
I have no idea how they could design a move-set for it but that just makes me want it more.
Grey Fox is an actually a very old Metal Gear character that hasn’t appeared in a game in a long time expect as a costume in Metal Gear Rising Revengeance. There are like a dozen characters that are more popular then he is so it would be strange if they added him in, it would be like adding Silver as the second Sonic character.
Raiden would make a lot more sense, as he does everything Grey Fox does, but better, and he's been the main protagonist of two games in the series, and he was even the main playable representative of the Metal Gear series in Playstation All-stars.
Oh, I know!
*_the one girl who has the chalkboard or cleans the screen or whatever who's name I think is Nikki but probably not_*
@MitchTheYoshi yea thats it 😂
I’d love to introduce the black knight into smash in a future game after cutting a few (Roy, chrom and Corrin likely) alternatively, Hector or Lyon would be cool and unique, especially Lyon as another villain
Zero and Alucard have my highest bets. Alucard was planned but traded off for the Belmonts however could get that extra push to get the promoted. Zero has been given a Mii Costume and 3 Spirits, New Voice Lines for Smash specifically and is a very popular character among Mega Man Fans and Marvel vs Capcom fans. Along with these both feeling the most fighter like in their own movepool and them both to be exciting additions.
Agreed I Like to see Alucard and Rodin for Smash
Oh god that K.K Slider is cursed. 7:48 😱
Agreed 😃🐶
i see frames but im not alone theres more legends of frame sight!!!!!!!!!
Question for fellow commenters:
What character do you want in smash that not many people agree with or thought of?
My choice that not many people thought of is Team Snakemouth (Vi, Kabbu, and Leif) from Bug Fables: The Everlasting Sapling, they would play similarly to Pokemon Trainer, would have a number meter called TP (Teamwork Points) so they can use certain moves or specials, would have movesets for each fighter, and their final smash can be Snow Bowling which is a skill move in the game that requires the entire team to have a turn. The pro's for this being the new character are that the game would get a ton of support and have huge sales specifically for the Switch so that Nintendo can make some money too, the company that owns it isn't too harsh when it comes to deals with other companies, and they're a small group of developers so it will be easier to negotiate. A few cons from this character getting in though is that it might take away the fame Pokemon trainer has, (but Pokemon is a well established series and the character has already established itself as a good main so it wouldn't effect it much at all,) most people wouldn't recognize it, (Although, they were able to do the same thing with Hero, so it will still be fine.) and it's supposed to be a successor to the original Paper Mario (but it has many different mechanics that make it different, and Nintendo has willingly supported it by giving it multiple entries in the Switch News, meaning that Nintendo either thinks that they are different enough from their original Paper Mario titles, or that Nintedo doesn't seem to care about it being just a successor). So far, all pros seem amazing for both copanies, and all the cons are counteracted by other points in the game, so it would be an amazing idea for Team Snakemouth (Vi, Kabbu, and Leif) to be a fighter!
A worm from Worms.
@@Dan_- Sure???
Andross can work as he has a full body model from Star Fox zero
Nightmare could work perfectly, he has enough from Kirby’s adventure
Tingle can pull from his own spin off game series and has a moveset form Hyrule warriors, it would work just fine
14:55 Rosalina was already ded. Not beeg surprise.
beeg yosh
ha ha cringe
if only she was a heavy in smash!!
Wow- that Steve callout XD
The Nightmare Wizard from Kirby actually wouldn't be too hard to make a moveset for.
I think Takamaru is The next assist trophy figther because he was a Cut character in Melee and Smash 4 that got turned into a asisst trophy. By The way i think Takamaru would be a great figther XD
Min Min was a spirit before she was in smash so there’s a possibility that an assist trophy could get in
It would be a waste.
@@INFERNO95 why would it be a waste?
Not the same. Having a Spirit become a fighter wouldn't create such a strange inconsistency as if an Assist Trophy were to in this game. Not impossible, but a Spirit gaining a fighter level in no way opens the door for an Assist Trophy to do the same. Assist Trophies already serve a purpose, and having one become a fighter would mean either removing it or having the fighter and Assist co-exist, maybe disable it if the fighter version is in a match? Min Min's appearance as a fighter and even her new fighter Spirit do not conflict with her original appearance as a Spirit. Sure she can technically equip herself now, but have in mind there are other characters who have multiple equipable Spirits of themselves, like Mario, Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, Samus, Ridley, etc. Again, not impossible, but most certainly more difficult to do without being disruptive. Making a Spirit into a fighter is like getting a picky eater to get a cheeseburger with everything on it, sure it's not ideal, but it can be done. Making an Assist Trophy a fighter in the same game is like expecting a lactose intolerant person down a milkshake, much harder and much more consequential, can be done, but at what cost?
@@hypotheticaltapeworm Finally, someone gets it!
Alucard was also considered for Ultimate but they added Simon and Richter because they are more recognizable than Alucard
I Think Alucard is join Smash as DLC Fighter in The Future 😃🧛🏻♂️🦇
Chain Chomp would probably never happen simply because of Piranha Plant already being in, but it could still be a pretty fun character. Some ideas for moves for it could be a grapple recovery using its chain (a post would appear on the ledge and the chain would attach to it before the Chain Chomp swings back onto the stage), a side special where it rolls forward like in some of its games, a down special where it launches into the air and quickly crashes to the ground (like the Chomp Shark from Yoshi's Island), and the rest of its moves could use some combination of its body, jaws, and chain to attack. Also one possibly could be attaching a go kart to the end of its chain (referencing Mario Kart Double Dash) to do extra damage, either temporarily as one move or maybe as a mechanic in its moveset.
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I'm not disappointed with Krystal's placing on the tier list. That's a good thing honestly. Ever since I picked up this game and played it with friends summoning Krystal for assistance, I've wanted her in the game. And not for those reasons, get your heads out of the gutter, readers. I'm saying her style of character would be a refreshing and new style of play than others in her class. She'd be an interesting mix of Byleth and Wolf. Her staff would have ranged attacks and be her recovery means, like in SF Adventures, in reference to the staff abilities. Her down special would be her staff shield which would be a reflector/absorption field to match the boys in the group. I also imagine Krystal's side special as being a mix between Byleth and Wolf, that being she'd slash her staff upward and dash either horizontally or at an angle like Wolf, with a sweet spot at the tip of the staff. I think she'd be such a cool character to play from a franchise that really needs to give her some more love.
Zero should’ve been in as an X series rep, or Zero from the MMZ series
Chun Li and Liquid are characters I'd consider above Guile and Gray Fox in their series' popularity. Jeanne might also be a Bayonetta clone before Rodin but either/or work.
For Andross, I don’t think it’s possible to make him a fighter, because you only fight his head, and his hands in all the Star Fox games where he’s a boss, except Star Fox 1/Starwing and Star Fox 2.
In Krystal’s case, she’s, alongside Andross, one of the most unique Star Fox characters. If I had to add another Star Fox character, it would be easily her.
I've never been this early for a odyssey central video!!
i think it would be cool to have Starfy reps not only Starfy but other characters like Moe and Starly as other characters or just clones
I feel like you underated Midna's chance. She is probably the single most beloved Zelda companion/Zelda character in general, and is from Twilight Princess, which despite being the 3rd best-selling Zelda game of all time (even if you don't count the re-releases), doesn't have a character in the roster currently.
Twilight princess was also game of the year for 2006
The fact the TP version of zelda was in two smash bros game more then enough proof the game was represented well in smash. Characters outside the triforce trio is not all that popular.
@@INFERNO95 Twilight Princess is not represented well in SSBU. They completely dumped it from the character roster for no apparent reason in this game. I understand wanting to represent more games in the franchise, but there is no reason you can't put multiple incarnations of Link on one slot, or multiple incarnations of Zelda and Ganondorf. Twilight Princess got cut from the roster entirely for no reason at all.
@@petery6432 The TP character models were starting to get bland and boring, especially Zelda who constantly had a lifeless expression. Even in her taunts and victory screens she just had a dull look on her face. They've already been in 2 games in a row let the other incarnations have some spot light.
@@hardrubbernips_ Um, serious does not equal lifeless. Breath of the Wild Link shows no emotion, yet I don't see people calling him "lifeless".
Secondly, everything you said doesn't justify not having multiple incarnations per character slot, something I brought up specifically. Some people like the more serious personality that the Twilight Princess and Ocarina of Time incarnations had in previous games. There is no reason to only include one version of Zelda while Ike, Bayonetta, Hero, and even Cloud to an extent have multiple versions with unique models and voices that reference multiple games.
Alucard was considered for Ultimate. And I believe he is in the most playable roles in the series (Maybe 2nd to Simon). There's no doubt that if there's a Smash 6, Alucard is in.
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I think its strange that assist trophies werent utilised more in the Classic modes. Like, you have more characters to work with in Classic mode rounds if you use ATs too.
As a fighter, knuckles would be Easy because he has numerous move set options and he would play way differently from sonic (which people would really like)
“Think Zelda is underrepresented in smash....”
Three Links. THREE!
Yeah, and two Zeldas and Ganondorf. I think that that is underrepresentation.
Jack Lantz it is one of the biggest gaming franchises of all time.
There are so many Zelda character they could put in smash like what
Three Links.
Two Zeldas.
Only one Ganondorf.
We need Blue Pig Ganon to make things right.
Three links are from different zelda games and from different timelines.
Imagine watching a Nintendo direct and seeing the nintendog reveal trailer
nintendog yes!!!!!!!
Shadow as an echo fighter:
- Slighly heavier and slower than Sonic
- Less traction than Sonic
- Smash attacks are guns
I don't want Shadow as a Sonic's echo, because his moveset is boring
No,ne uas the potential to be a full fighter,metal sonic would ge the echo.
If Shovel Knight made it, I would totally main him.
Best indie game ever created.
To make a point i made an entire moveset for moon since you put it in impossible tier
Moon MOVESET
Heavy with 2 jumps
Basic Attacks
Jab: Bite (Moon Bites Down)
Basic Jab
Dash: Charge (Moon Charges Forward)
Pretty strong Damage
Side Tilt: Rock (Moon spits out a rock)
Does Great damage but no real knockback
Up tilt: Talus (An arm comes out of the moons mouth which he swings above him)
Does Great Damage but No real knockback
Down Tilt: Roll (Moon rolls on the floor)
Basic slide down tilt
Side Smash: Ending Crash (Moon Jumps up and crashes down at a vertical angles)
Does A lot of damage
Up Smash: Magma Bomb (Moon shoots a magma bomb out of his mouth above him)
Does Great Damage but no real knockback
Down Smash: Clock Tower (Moon Jumps up as a clock tower appears below them and they crash into leaving debris)
Does Great Damage if touching the moon but no real knock back where the debris does good knockback and slight amount of damage
Aerials
Neutral Air: Spins (Moon spins)
Does Great Damage
F Air: Octo (Moon spits out a rock)
Does Great damage but no real knockback
B Air: Pulled (Moon charges backwards)
Does Great damage with big hit box but very slow
Up Air: Talus (An arm comes out of the moons mouth which he swings above him)
Does Great Damage but No real knockback
Down Air: Head Dive (The Moon crashes down)
Hits great damage but will die if used over blast zone
Grabs
Grab: A Purple chain comes out of his mouth (tether)
Pummel: Slightly hits opponent against floor
F Throw: Lifts Opponent Up before smashing them on the ground
B Throw: Pulls opponent toward them before jumping
Up Throw: Lifts Opponent Up
Down Throw: Lifts Opponent Up and jumps above them before smashing into them
Specials
Neutral Special: Rotation
The moon jumps forward like Shieks Special. It will act like a stronger version of shieks special. And when i say stronger i mean twice as strong and 10 times the knockback. Now don’t worry there are trade offs. First super slow going around the same speed as ness’s pk flash. Second and more chaotically while hes moving its treated like a projectile. Meaning that the attack can reflected which would just do the knockback and damage it would’ve done to the opponent to it. Or even be stolen by villager where the moon will act as though its been buried having to mash out of villagers pocket before villager throws him off the ledge.
Side Special: Consume
Moon chomps down. Acts exactly like wario's neutral special with the caveat that you can move with the opponent still in your mouth. if you use another special while eating the opponent will move with you. Also you can carry multiple opponents leading to all the terror.
Up Special: Giant Lift
4 giants appear under the moon and throws him up. Acts like mr game and watches up b with out the parachute and less lift. But can be used twice in the air before putting them into free fall
Down Special: Major Crash
The moon crashes down on fire while in the air and slides on the floor still on fire if used on the ground. Acts exactly like ganon's wizard foot
Final Smash: Clockworks End
The moon turns massive and crashes down onto the stage
Cosmetics
Costumes
Moon
Dull Red (blood moon)
Purple (Majora's mask)
Orange (Sun)
Pink (Great Fairy)
Green (Link)
White (Original)
Pure Black (Original)
Taunts
Glows red as a moblin swings forward (if you ask how this works with the red costume the red on that costume is duller then the red the moon would glow)
Glows Red as a lynel punches behind them
Spins like a wheel
Victory Animations
Nothing appears on screen before moon crashes down on ground
A black screen appears as majora's mask appears and looks at the screen
A black screen appears as a blast of fire hit the camera knocking the camera back
10:42 HOLY MOLY!!, that is Broken!! Imagine if it happen in a real match :O
Well It's not a true combo but it would indeed be very cool to see in a real match lol
The shadow and knuckles at number one is why i love this channel
About the Zelda characters that are playable in Smash Ultimats. In terms of distribution by timeline branches; the Downfall Timeline gets Zelda, the Adult Timeline gets Toon Link, the Unified Timeline gets Young Link and Ganondorf, and Breath of the Wild is either a dragonbreak or an inevitable outcome of all three timeline splits and BotW is represented by Link and Sheik. This leaves the Child Timeline without a playable character with the transition between Smash 4 and Smash Ultimate replacing Twilight Princess Link and Zelda with completely separate characters that share their names with them, being BotW Link and ALBW Zelda. Each Link and Zelda that have been in Smash are separate characters with separate stories. Twilight Princess Link is the descendant of Ocarina of Time Link and Zelda’s name is a name that is used repeatedly through Hyrule’s history. Without Twilight Princess Link and Zelda (and OoT Zelda) in Smash Ultimate’s roster, the “Everyone is Here!” line in the advertising is A BIG FAT LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I want kk slider as an assist trophy
Congrats on 50K 🥳
14:55 Notice How Rosalina Is the only one with out a stock...
Coincidence? I don't think so
i think not
she needs to be a heavy like in mario kart 8 wahoooooo
that was for the reference please say you got it
He actually predicted Steve in Smash Bros and he’s in the game
Every night I pray to Wah that Waluigi will receive his invitation
20:44 He thinks Steve would be cool
More Than One Month Later...
STEVE ROCKS THE BLOCK!
btw Steve is my main now
18:00 I'll be honest, I know absolutely nothing about the takamaru franchise, but I have had a mild interest in the character due to it being represented in Nintendo Land as an amazing minigame, which may seem stupid, but I stand by it.
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I would probably choose Skull Kid, Waluigi & Shadow
Sukapon is better
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@@OrangeToadGamer 👍
Another SF character would be Chun-Li or Akuma before Guile.
9:57 there actually could be moveset potential, but she's very unlikely
I think tingle could definitely work as the joke character for next game
“I think an Indie rep is upon us”….
Or
Among Us 👀
How is Guille more popular than chun li
9:05 oh god ghostly adventures clyde
Me: I think shadow will be pretty coo-
Everyone else on earth: BUT HE IS ASSIST.
edge
Chain Chomp would be an awesome character. Let him use his chain. Give him a command grab. Let him have crazy movement. Sounds great to me.
Assist Trophies, never use them lol.
I have items turned off so
Roberto same
JM Cor yeah
Mason Lynn I do, they’re not my favorites
Mason Lynn I don’t hate items. They’re just not my favorite
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9:20 There is... another form of mother brain with limbs, and even a more workable size... we don't talk about her though
Make a tier list for pokeball assist trophies
I think one of the champions from Botw (my pick’s Urbosa) would make a good Zelda rep
bro predicted Steve in smash
Since you’re not a big Fire Emblem fan, I wanted to mention that Black Knight should probably be 1 tier higher because they have echo fighter potential as an echo for Ike. Black Knight’s sword is the sister sword to Ike’s, so they would have similar fighting styles.
Also, Lyn is usually the most requested Fire Emblem character for Smash. Most people don’t want any more obviously, but the few that do prefer Lyn.
Also, Knuckles could be a Sonic echo fighter too. In most games, they have very similar moves with the exception of Knuckles’ glide and wall climbing. If not an echo, then at least a clone
20:13 not true. The 8 bit runner had a trophy in for wii u and 3ds. That was the 1st bit of indie representation in smash (and minecraft isn't indie)
it was
20:45
steve got in
2:20 Jesus Christ, put an earrape warning before these section, my ears are bleeding!
So no ones going to talk about the very fast image swap of K. K. Slider
yay more frame sight
Forget an assist fighter. Assist trophy itself for smash!
YEAH
Oh, hell yeah!
ik its an old video, but call me crazy, the metroid COULD work if they allow it to switch between it's different stage forms. in Metroid II and Samus Returns, Metroids grow as they age to look more and more reptilian. the iconic metroid we know is actually just it's larval state. i feel like using it's abilities it gets from the other later stages like firebreath would be super interesting
also i'd say Chun-Li is a bit more likely than Guile to be another street fighter rep lol
I want Waluigi, Krystal, Ashley, Shadow, Skull Kid, Sukapon, Shovel Knight, Bomberman, Midna, Spring Man and Zero as playable characters for Smash Ultimate!
Agreed man 😃👍🏾🤟🏿
I don’t know why no one understands that even if a new smash game is made it will have less characters
I want Waluigi as a fighter i wish he never was a asisst trophy XD
I would love to see midna and skull kid, #were are all the zelda reps (and waluigi needs to be a fighter as well
Really hope shadow gets in. Even waluigi
Monster Hunter Stories 1 and 2 feature Ratha and Razewing Ratha respectively, which are smaller than normal Rathalos who are accompanied by a Rider on his back. This fixes the size issue and adds more moves since the rider can attack while on Ratha's back.
I think It would be cool for If an assist trophy became a fighter that their reveal trailer for the next smash game acknowledge It by them busting out of the assist trophy, busting heads and then splash screen
My boy Waluigi in Most Likely, thanks for this amazing choice!
Don't mean it gonna happen.
eeveelution is better!!!! heheh
speedy jolteon no
@@americankoopastudios hmmm
@@americankoopastudios i dont feel ok with this
I just dont see any existing Assist Trophies to get in since the Min Min Trailer trolled people to believe that the Assist Trophy upgrade thing would happened, but it didnt, HOWEVER i do think we should get past Assist Trophies who didnt return as the same function like Mr Resetti, Magnus, Kat and Ana, Saki, Wind Waker Tingle or even Jill.