The Cut Final Smashes of Super Smash Bros Ultimate
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2024
- The super smash bros series is known for how well it translates characters from their home franchises into a fighting game. One of the most iconic moves in a smash character’s arsenal is their final smash. Over the course of the series however, certain characters have had their final smash changed before super smash bros ultimate. Today I’m gonna cover these cut final smashes and if I like the old or super smash bros ultimate one the best!
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I feel like Triforce Slash was acceptable when Final Smashes were like a completely new thing. It's very reminiscent of super moves/ultimate attacks in other fighting games, where the characters just hit you a bunch of times with flashy effects happening. I think it definitely had its place as a very simple "this is what a Final Smash is" type of thing, but it does kinda suck that it's stuck around for this long on Young/Toon Link.
i think it was pjiggles who had a theory that the reason triforce slash exists was to look flashy at e3 2006
@@trash_lol
Honestly that also makes a lot of sense lol
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Even though i dislike the Triforce Slash, i think the ancient bow and arrow does look a bit lame. I would much rather have the divine beasts or something.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Ice Climbers. Iceberg works completely different in Brawl and Ultimate. In Brawl, it would just be a huge Iceberg that would cover the entire stage, but in Ultimate, you can control it and even ride on a Condor.
Ness too, as in 4, his was differently controlled
Odyssey didn't cover those characters because they weren't significant enough for the video as opposed to the other characters that were in the video.
@@mikelos4434ness and lucas’ final smashes add their friends, which is basically the same change shulk and mega man got. they deserved a mention, he just forgot them.
An interesting thing with Pit’s FS. The reason Pit and Dark Pit were made separate characters in Smash 4 instead of skins like originally intended is because it wouldn’t make sense for Dark Pit to use the Three Sacred Treasures (which doesnt make much sense in of itself because Bowser Jr exists), but since both Pit and Dark Pit have used the Lightning Chariot in Uprising, it basically defeats the original purpose of separating them
Yeah, it's weird that Dark Pit FS isn't the Lightning Chariot since he uses it in Uprising and it's current one isn't a reference to anything.
I'm glad he's an echo... because the Silver Bow is hugely more satisfying to use than the Palutena Bow.
@@xenokeegami It's a reference to his Boss Fight where he's Sniping Pit in the beginning.
@@TheWaverunners and it's his namesake weapon
i mean technically speaking the Koopalings could just wield the Magic Paintbrush to turn into Shadow Mario lol
Rest in peace Wario Man 🙏
Also we hate Triforce Slash in this house
Indeed 🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿
A lot of final smahses in ultimate feel the same. They're either a flurry of attacks or the character zipping around the screen or while attacking their opponent
6:11 why was that transition so beautiful
I miss transformations final smashes. Just becoming the best character in the game for 30 seconds was awesome. I feel they accomplished the power trip feeling that ultimate attacks like final smashes should better than every other final smash
I have truly missed the old times of the great OP Warioman. As a kid I would purposely play Brawl with the final smash ball just so I could play him. I didn't even care how much damage he could deal he was just hella fun to play as!
Absentmindedly suiciding on a hypersonic bike had me rolling a few times!
I'm a Xenoblade nerd so I can explain quickly why Shulk's new Final Smash is bad: the FS is based on the game's Chain Attack mechanic, where you could choose the moves of your party members in sequence while the enemies were frozen. The problem is that the party is only 3 members at a time, but Ultimate added a fourth party member for some reason (Xenoblade Chronicles X did have a party of 4 members but that's an unrelated game). And yeah, Fiora being added is a spoiler but other stuff like Spirits also spoil the same thing
they should've done the Joker thing of making random 2 party members join
If they really wanted other characters they could've done what they did for Joker and have every character cycle.
Also Fiora has literally no lines in it, the audio is the same as in smash 4, so she might even have been rushed it for whatever stupid reason
Lucina being in the game is kind of a big spoiler in of itself, read any of her character bios in Smash 4 or Ultimate and they basically just tell you a very important plot point in Fire Emblem Awakening
according to the negative zone trophy in brawl, it says something about how Luigi lived in Mario’s shadow for so long he learned the power.
Two Little Tidbits:
1: Two Cut Final Smashes do technically still exist in Ultimate in the form of Assist Trophies. Ashley functions very similarly to Negative Zone, and does fit her well as Witch who transforms people. And of course, Chef Kawasaki brings back the Chef Kirby Final Smash.
2: Dedede Special is a reference to something, though in a very loose and underwhelming way. The little bomb Dedede pops at the end is a reference to the "Egg Catcher" Sub Game from Kirby's Adventure (as well as Return to Dreamland Deluxe). It definitely would have been a cooler if they fully committed to the reference and had Dedede launch a barrage of eggs and bombs, though I am at least happy we landed on Masked Dedede.
Also Dedede's first final smash is somewhat a reference to how he's the king of all of those waddle dees and waddle doos
NOBODY tell me that Wario Man should have been cut. It was the coolest thing ever
If they kept the classic Wario Man transformation while adding the “Comic book effects” ( Like when you land an attack you get a small pop up that says “POW!” or “WHAM!” ), that would be awesome.
ganondorfs final smash also has a functional difference: his stun hit had longer range in brawl and 4 (seemingly endless) while ultimate has it only be the swords
Anybody who’s first, I have a blue shell😈
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Your blue shell is ineffective since I have a super horn 😈
@@Ghostfighter797 of course you do
@@Ghostfighter797 *slowly approaches with a boo in hand*
You do not know how much of a godsend I thought Masked Dedede Rush was back when it was first shown off. Dedede Burst felt like they just deliberately ignored Masked Dedede as the obvious choice of a Final Smash because "oh no, Superstar Ultra wasn't a game Sakurai worked on".
Dedede Burst can at least hit more than 1 person...
@@Nosretep can't ultimates?
@@thisnameisbad3609 No.
@@Nosretep I swear I remember seeing like 3 people on the cage
@thisnameisbad3609 Nope, alot of Ultimate got nerfed when it came to how many can KO.
Steve and Incineroar can't still KO more than one when not hit by the main attack.
I used to use sonic when i was a kid in brawl and it made me realize why transformation smashes were deleted. A lot of them can fly but if you fly off stage and it untransforms you lose a stock (they don't clearly show when you untransforms)
Odyssey central: I hope triforce slash never returns.
Smash 6 triforce slash : hello.
in smash 6 every character has triforce slash
13:55 I think they changed it because the 3DS version couldn't handle the Waddlede's during development, so they had to change it on both versions.
Makes sense as there was no way all of the WaddleDees and the gordos that king Dedede doesn't spawn with side special could work.
The transformation Final Smashes are the ones I truly miss.
My only problem with transformation final smashes are their potential to take multiple stocks, or take one stock and last long enough to leverage the transformation for more damage and a better position. It's frustrating to deal with super sonic swoocing in and taking your stock, and then coming back to the field and *still having to deal with super sonic* with your next stock.
@@kevingriffith6011 That’s valid.
Same
@@kevingriffith6011 they could just shorten them to a few seconds and do some balancing so they are not that broken. It's not that hard, but of course we got a roster where like half the characters have essentially the same FS with a different cinematic.
Remember when Captain Falcon's FS was unique?
@@RemiliasHusband Honestly if I were to try to fix it, make it so where in 1v1 the final smash will end early if you take a stock. Give you like... 1-2 seconds to get back onstage if you're in an awkward position, but not long enough that it's still active when the spawning invulnerability wears off.
I had an interesting idea with Mario’s FS since they want to keep it the same way. Why not have Mario turn into Fire Mario for the final smash. Before firing the fireballs, he’ll hold the fire flower up and transform. Not only would this be more accurate to the Mario games, but it could also make up for the fire mario costume being cut from Ultimate!
You are a GENIUS. Man I really wish they'd done that! :U
Why not just bring the fire Mario alt back?
@@TricksterLawlet unpopular opinion but I'd take the Wedding alt over fire mario any day...
I'd personally just like to see a new one. I know Cutscene FS are overdone, but I think Mario could use one where he activates a power star, rushes forward and then charges headfirst into the enemies again in a cutscene.
Like come on, the power star is one of the most iconic "ultimate" power ups in video game history and the one we have as an item is honestly rather underwhelming.
Good idea
I just wish they kept more “crowd control” final smashes. I don’t like how final smashes don’t affect the whole field much anymore and just target a small section or guy
Psychologist: why does she bother you? Odyssey: *ITS ROSEALENA* 🤬
Fun fact: in Ultimates files, there are new textures for DKs Bongos implying Kongo Beat was likely considered to return in some form
Man I miss transformation final smashes. "Oooh but the flow of battle" they're banned in competitive anyways make them cool and broken
If we're playing with Final Smashes on, I don't think we care about the flow of battle.
No, I don't care, do not bring them back
At the very least, make the Final Smashes more functionally unique from each other, and only use straightforward cutscene ones sparingly for the few characters who would actually warrant one (like Shulk and Joker)
the reason why smash 4 changed dedede's final smash is actually most likely because of the 3ds' limitations not being able to deal with all of those enemies especially with 4 player smash
In my opinion, it's kinda weird that Pokémon Trainer's Charizard doesn't Mega Evolve for triple finish. Granted, Mega Evolution wasn't in FRLG or HGSS (the games that have the Pokémon trainer we see in Smash wearing what he wears in smash), but Charizard cannot mega evolve on its own in both the games and anime, so consistency with the base games was not an issue.
It probably would have been too much going on visually
@@ballisticboo7808 it wasn't when they put Ash Greninja in Greninja's final smash.
I'm really addicted to your videos man, good job with the editing and the production
Also worth noting is that Ness and Lucas's final smashes were slightly changed, both are PK Star Storm but gameplay wise they changed
In Brawl the stars will fall of randomly
In 4 they were concentrated in a single burst that you can control its direction
And in Ultimate you can the stars will fall randomly fall but you can control the area where they fall (also in Ness's final smash in Ultimate Paula and Poo acompany Ness meanwhile in Lucas's he will be acompanied by Kumatora and Boney)
Not which is which but also in ultimate one of them have the stars be larger but slower and the other would have them a bit smaller but faster to fall and maybe a bit more numerous on screen.
Ah yes, back in Smash 4 they would essentially guarantee that you would take the stock of everyone on one half of the map.
They also get a new background based on a battle background in their respective game. I'm blanking on what Ness' is but Lucas' is based on the background used in the final Masked Man battle.
Dude I have never seen a Smash Fighter done dirtier than Sonic.
Man cannot get a break.
1:03 Actually, I think that move is loosely based on Mario's special move in Super Mario RPG called "Ultra Flame". Or at least, it looks very similar.🤔🔥
13:17 You make a very great point there. It's like as if they overcompensated for how immensely OP Sonic's final smash was in brawl and four.
I wish we still had controllable final smashes
Seriously, Yoshis final smash was ruined
I personally disagree. The final smashes being quicker makes the pace of a match move quicker.
I'm probably gonna be ratio'd for thinking different.
@@TAYBR00K fair argument, however I feel like if you play with items or final smash on, you're not necessarily looking for quick competitive game play, and just looking for things to occasionally completely change up the game.
(Also I hate to tell you this, but I would not say things like "I'm probably gonna be rationed for this" because at least to me, it makes me more likely to dislike you, and then from that disagree with you, and support a ratio. That could be just me though)
@@adamnielson42 I hate to tell you this but I would not say things like "Also I hate to tell you this, but I would not say things like "I'm probably gonna be rationed for this" because at least to me, it makes me more likely to dislike you, and then from that disagree with you, and support a ratio. That could be just me though" because at least to me, it makes me more likely to dislike you, and then from that disagree with you. That could be just me though.
@@TAYBR00K okay
Actually Luigi's old Final Smash Is a reflection of how he felt when he was in Mario's Shadow.
From what I remember, I believe King Dedede's Final Smash was changed for Smash 4 because the 3DS would get laggy with that many character models on screen in larger games, similar to why Ice Climbers were cut.
Transformation final smashes were fun asf
I really hated that they removed the transformation smashes and the reason they were removed was bad, you're telling me that they disrupt the flow of the game when the only way that would be a real problem is a competitive scene where they're never used in the first place, then there are items that fulfill similar purposes as to what the smashes do.
Actually Dedede's Brawl final Smash has a origin reference. It references Dedede being the King of Dream Land. The Enemies he spawns are normally seen on levels on Dream Land and are their residents. Waddle Dees are literallyy some of his main subjects. That is shown on Planet Robobot and Star Allies intro cutscene
Personally I don't think it represents Dedede too well, at least not the current Dedede.
I feel he's not the type of guy who wants other people to fight for him
One thing I do prefer about the cutscenes is that they are so much more badass as a finisher.
True
I wish Pit kept Three Sacred Treasures, I personally feel it's his all-time best one.
Nobody gonna mention Advent Children Cloud getting a visually distinct Final Smash? It has different text and more swords; what more could you want!?
That thumbnail is such a banger
*I'm really glad you included Ash-Greninja in this video, it is a nice addition, similar to Lucario!*
the robin final smash reference during the oit explanation killed me
I can't decide if I like the more technical power up-esq final smashes from brawl and smash 4 or the more (for lack of a better word) mindless ultimate final smash because I liked playing as wario man and giga bowser but then again it feels way more consistent in ultimate
The new pac man final smash also references the fact that Pac-Man can go to the left of the screen by always going right
Transformation smashes must have been a lot of fun. They should have made young link put the feirce diety mask. That would have been a lot of fun. I dont see why nintendo does not want transformation smashes.
DRY BONES FOR SMASH
I think the worst part of Wario Man's change VISUALLY is that they removed the WarioWare Touched reference, where in that game, if you feed standard Wario Nasty Garlic, he did a little spin before transforming into Wario Man, nice touch.
But then they ruined it to be a standard charge forward for the cutscene FS...
Lame
Rhythm Heaven best rhythm game
That animation was the only good thing about his old FS, now it’s actually a move that i want to use
This was exactly the kind of video I was craving after watching ur final smashes ranking
4:12 I SEE YOU PHANTOM PUPPET
Dedede's Final smash has changed more often than the... Actually I can't think of anything lol
I love your videos man. Also I really miss King de de de's finale smash
To be fair, even though I miss wario man, it was easy to accidentally self-destruct with wario man because the motorcycle was so fast, as well as wario man’s super fart shooting you off the top of the screen
They should make a new classic mode so we can go in and customise our character final smash (of course only the fighters who had other final smashes)
00:40 technically Ness and Lucas' final Smash IS altered cause yeah it PK Starstorm but it's not the same between Brawl Sm4sh and Ultimate
I had so many memories with Yoshi, Snake, Luigi, Falco, King Dedede and I personally don’t like that they seem to be prioritising these more quick, ‘one on one’ strikes, as I prefer the older more ‘fun’ ones from brawl. But I do understand that they are trying to create a more standardised competitive gameplay for ultimate, which would require them to make such alterations. Anyways, another great video! Loved to see some of the older final smashes and completely forgot lucario had a different one in smash 4!
the thing you aim Giga Bowser's punch with in ultimate is a reference to Yoshi's island
Sorry for being that guy but , the negative zone's lore is the following: luigi takes his rage , sadness and jelousy from being overshadowed by mario and forms it in a zone
12:12 They could have just make charizard transform into charizard x DURING THE TRIPLE FINISH
12:48 He could do a combo while transforming into all his forms (werehog, excalibur, darkspine), then end with his super form as the final move
Im holding out hope for cut taunts. Also totk has some amazing references to older zelda games so enjoy, Odyssey
babe wake up new odyssey central vid just dropped
Actually, I believe that Mario Finale IS based off something- which is the Ultra Flame attack from Super Mario RPG! Also, Young Link's Final Smash really should've been Fierce Deity Link- or a version of it that's similar to Triforce Slash, but instead of it being Triforce-based, it's based off the Fierce Deity mask from Majora's Mask! As for Yoshi, his STAMPEDE Final Smash is also based off Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door Yoshi partner's attack of the same name!
i like how nintendo replaced transformation final smashes with cutscene final smashes to be "less distruptive" despite the fact that people cannot do anything when cutscenes are happening
15:54 the only really noticeable part of it is that the stars that shoot out of the power star bounce off of surfaces and go further where as the grand star grows faster and bigger than the power star
I think Luigi’s original final smash would have been a way better for for Waluigi had he been added,since weird dances are something Waluigi already does,and since he too has been overshadowed by the other plumbers
I really want Kirby to get a new Final Smash.
Ultra Sword is cool, but Kirby has more cooler final attacks than just a big sword. And personally, I think what the Final Smash is based on is... really boring. So, the actual Ultra Sword Finisher from Return to Dreamland and Return to Dreamland Deluxe is really boring. Kirby just slowly hits Magolor in sudden quick blinks, and the final hit looks like it goes OVER the guy instead of through. TL;DR, it feels incredibly weak in the base game, and just feels slightly stronger and flashier. Also, the Ultra Sword is SUPER BASIC. It's just "big sword does big slashes". They already messed with Kirby for sword by randomly turning his up smash (a move from the Cutter copy ability) into a sword rather than an actual cutter.
What do I want? Hypernova. Everyone just forgets it but it's so fitting. Just use it like a reverse, stationary version of the Inklings' Killer Wail Final Smash.
That thumbnail is amazing, I mean how could you NOT click on that
Tbh with Bowser Jr's final smash I would like for the Koopalings to have a different one using Bowser's clown cart (a bit of reference for NSMB2). I haven't decided how would that work but still it would make more sense
My favorite cut Final Smash was Ukulele Pichu’s solo.
…oh, wait.
Still can't believe Dry Bones got cut.
13:49 the bomb in smash 4 is from Kirby Pintball Land.
Remember when we had PLAYABLE final smash?
@Logan fr
One thing, Mario Finale has a loosely based reference of the Ultra Flare from Mario RPG. The Triforce Slash is actually based on the final hits Link does to Gannon in Ocarina of Time. Yoshi’s Stampede! is also based on the tyke Yoshi’s Stampede move in Paper Mario TTYD. Negative Zone is based on the Negative Zone in SMB1, and is referencing how Luigi is the eternal understudy
If in the next smash they qds a mr. L costume, I'd love for mr. L to have the old negative zone
A lil small detail ya missed but, Triple Finish is different between games as Squirtle uses Whirlpool in Ultimate while Brawl it is supposedly just blasting out Hydro Pump. Which is makes sense them using it in context of the old pokemon games where those where the strongest moves of their respectful types, that being Fire Blast, Solar Beam, and Hydro Pump. Though the whirlpool is a fine change as it helps catches and drags opponents into the middle of the Smash Attack.
This was a Smashing good video(even if I disagree with close to half if not more than half of your opinions, but we're all entitled to one, so I can't complain too much)
Sakurai said it on a interview about they changing dedede final smash, he said that the old one would not work on the 3ds version of smash 4
I think a great idea for a vid would be to think of an idea for a new final smash for every character
Bro recorded fast for TOTK XD. I'm watching this well playing TOTK.🤣
I miss the transformation final smashes. Such a power trip. But I get why they got changed for balance reasons.
R.I.P. Super Sonic
...Which makes no sense when you realize that the only people who care about balance don't even USE Final Smashes.
I don't care if it "disrupts the flow of battle", cutscene final smashes do that too. I mean, do you really like having to sit for like 5 seconds just so your opponent's FS finishes playing? It gets worse the more people there are in the match.
With Negative Zone in particular, I really hope they give it to Waluigi if he ever gets in. First, Waluigi is known for being a cheater and Luigi's nemesis, so it'd make sense if he copied a move from the latter. Second, the FS is a dance, and one of Waluigi's few major roles as an antagonist was in Dance Dance Revolution Mario Mix. Third, such a bizarre FS fits perfectly with Waluigi's overall character. Finally, the FS was based on how Luigi is always obscured by his older brother, and like you said he originally was just a pallette swap and nothing else. It perfectly fits with Waluigi, a character who has never had an actual role in a Mario game outside of spin-offs, is always obscured by the other three, has bad chemistry with basically everyone else aside from Wario, was created just so Wario could have a tennis partner, and has been relegated to be an Assist Trophy in Smash for over a decade. It'd make sense for him to vent all that negative energy in the form of a FS.
Luigi weaponizing his depression will never not be funny
They should have compromised by making Charizard become Mega Charizard X during the Triple Finish... that would have been _amazing._
I dont get Sakurais logic that "transformations affect the pace of a match" like what ???? And sitting there watching a cutscene doesnt ?????
Fun Fact: An HD version of the Donkey Kong Bongos can be found unused in the files of smash ultimate. It is different from the Smash Wii U version as it’s more glossy and realistic
DK jumping in outer space and punching the moon down on his opponent like he did in donkey kong country return, would've been better.
Why do I feel like this video is going to become the least memorable Odyssey Central video ever
Giga mack? Sounds like a close court case. Anyway, At the beginning of the video, you said that there was a let down on the two link final smashes.
So what they could have done for young like was have the moon crash down or have him use the fierce deity mask.
But here’s where it gets hard!
Toon link can use Elzo to shrink everyone to a small size.
Or toon link can split into 4 and IDK. However, four swords games are the lowest part of Zelda (except for the CDI) so I don’t know if people will get it as much.
Toon link could run over people with the spirit train or summon leprechaun man and weird ninja guy from spirt tracks to kill you.
Or this doubles as from phantom hourglass and the Wind Waker
The ghost ship comes and capture the enemy and will do a sting hit.
I would most likely want to see the ghost ship since The Wind Waker is my favorite game ever. ALL OF THESE WOULD BE BETTER THAN THE GOOBER SLASH!!
Since Toon Link seems to be very much of the Wind Waker part of his journey
I'd put in a suggestion of "The Helmorock King carries the enemy off stage" or "He calls Tetra/the pirates (or an enemy bomb boat if on pirate ship) to launch an attack"
@@pokedude720 Yeh, in the Pirates maybe fling the enemy off a barrel like in the beginning?
I find it cool how Nintendo keeps a few thing from the DK bongos 2 games with DKs old fs being a reference to donkey konga and his new one could possibly be a reference to DK jungle beat.
4:00 LONG LIVE THE KING
It would be really sick if Fox's final smash became Landmaster again but as a multi hit like the rest.
He calls up the Landmaster to crush the enemy with its weight (This being the activation confirm hitbox) and then (If enemy was hit succesfully) Fox shoots the Landmaster until it explodes dealing massive damage and knockback.
I am sooooo mad that you didn’t include my main, Greninja. He looks soooo cool, and they changed his AniMaTiOn between sm4sh and ultimate. You are soooo mean!!!!
I feel like Luigi's negative zone could still worked if it involed Mr L
I actually really like Triforce Slash, mostly because I care more about how powerful final smashes are than whether they reference something or not. Triforce Slash in Smash 4 did 60% damage and killed really early. Ancient Bow and Arrow in Ultimate does a pathetic 35% damage and kills later.
Triforce Slash is based on the fact that the main goal of alot of Zelda games is to collect all 3 pieces of the triforce to restore peace.
In the Brawl description of the Triforce Slash trophy, they state that Link uses the Triforce of Courage to constantly stab his opponent. In Zelda 1, your main goal was to get the Triforce of Wisdom to kill Ganon because it was the ONLY WAY to kill him.
That's why Triforce Slash is a thing. And also I don't get the hate that it gets other than the fact that more than one Link has it and the "My favorite game isn't referenced in his Final Smash" bias.
I would love if R.O.B's final smash could be based on STACK-UP/ROBOT BLOCK where he commits stage creator Tetris
1:57 Odyssey you scared the crap outta me!
you have very good opinions on this game and seem to be very good at it so I was wondering how many hours do you have??
It may be an unpopular opinion, but I never liked the Transformation Final Smashes. I totally get the appeal of them, especially when they can require a fair bit of skill to Master, but to me, nothing was worse than getting a Transformation Final Smash and just having everyone run away from you and avoid you the whole time, wasting it for you, the user. To me, it was even worse than missing one that needs perfect Alignment like Robin or Wolf's.
It also to me felt like they could often rely too much on skill. I love Smash and am quite good, but it did sting when I'd play something like Smash 4 or Brawl with someone who wasn't as good and got something like Sonic or Wario's Final Smash and just sucked with it. Again, I know there's definitely skill you need to have to use the alignment FSs, but I feel like the Transformation ones often can require more.
Funny thing about King DeDeDe's final smash in ultimate, whenever I used it around my friends, we all shout "AND HIS NAME IS JOHN CENA" and do the theme and stuff.