Using melee’s parallel universes via Mario being able to do so; not only has Mr. Maarionitmar here mastered the art of BLJ, he has ended up in the loading zones of 2019
Fun fact: the unused portrait of the Master Giant and Master Beast were later repurposed as the Spirit artwork for the Master Giant and Master Beast spirit in SSBU
I love how in Sm4sh, Viridi roasts Chrom and tells him to his face that he didn't get in because he would be an Ike clone with no Aether. Then he gets in in Ultimate, and he somehow ends up being a Roy clone with Ike's Aether. Like, what?
How about the sheer irony of telling a Fire Emblem character he didn't get in cause he'd just be a clone, in a game where Lucina got in and is literally a reskin of Marth?
Really the Palutena guidances were all kind of hit or miss regarding since they attempted to be so much in touch with fans but... Man the Chrom quote for Robin's guidance was just so misinformed lol, I wonder what did the script writer see there to write that (Chrom actually gets Aether in Awakening, I have no idea how that line slipped through)
(2:10) Note that, just because the background is the same as the Dreamland stage has now, doesn't mean that was the background used during testing. It can mean the testing stage is simply reading the same file as the Dreamland stage for the background, and the background can have been replaced after completing the final Dreamland stage, which would also change the background for all testing stages that is using the same file.
Here’s a fun fact: TCRF claims that the Galaxian sound is unused in Pac-Man's victory animations, but it’s actually used when Pac-Man falls next to the 7650 sign. Also, you can attack the trampoline in ultimate, but it doesn’t turn green.
It's Ryūō or Ryuuou/Ryuuoh ( 龍王, 竜王). It's also the name of a shogi tournament and does in fact translate to "dragon king" so this isn't even a correction.
Bro they're exactly the same and it isn't even a place. It's just a normal word and a place is named after it. You fake Japan nerds are too bad at understand any Japanese. Just fucking stop it.
@@mattwo7 But imagine a Spanish development team calling the codename of their game Los Angeles after the US city. But then people translate the name to "The Angels" when talking about the game. It's a translation, but it's weird doing it like that.
@@Liggliluff Considering it's a US city, I could only imagine the British, one of their other former colonies or current territories (that used to be _called_ colonies but rebranded even though they're basically the same thing) calling it The Angels and even then LA is _probably_ well enough known around the world that no one would translate it to "The Angels" or any other language really. Maybe a more obscure city like [San Buena]Ventura (which is actually named after Saint Bonaventure, an Italian name that means good life, good fortune, Ventura itself translating to "fortune" but considering what Bonaventure was patron saint of, I'd say ironically, he's not that lucky at all...). There's also a city near LA generically named El Segundo (The Second) which was named because it was the site of the second Standard Oil refinery on the west coast, that's probably a lot closer to Ryūō than LA or Ventura all things considered, albeit far more of a generic name as "ryūō" _probably_ doesn't come up as often in non-shogi-related casual conversation as "el segundo".
Loved Yoshi's Story as a kid and recognized those immediately but was seeing if anyone else had commented it before I did. Glad to know there are others out there who still remember the game. It's an old fave that I feel like rarely gets mentioned
2:14 Are we not gonna talk about how Samus ledge grabbed a platform? What a wild mechanic that would be if it remained in game. Things would be so different.
I do think that if Plusle and Minun were planned that they weren't gonna be 2 separate fighters like the Ice Climbers, but that they'd act like one Fighter at all times, hence why they'd only share only 1 filename
@@lechonked8448 I thought that would prob require more than 1 file, right? Personally, I'm assuming it would have been either: 1) the same moveset on one individual character with various costumes (for plusle, minun, and recolors of them), or 2) it would be more like an aegis situation, where you switch between them somehow
@@quarepercutisproximum9582 I think they mean (and I think as well) that they function as one character but aesthetically look like two. They’d be walking together, they’d swing each around for attacks, they’d jump together, they’d get launched together, they’d share hitboxes and hurtboxes and can’t be separated, etc. They’d be one character from a gameplay perspective but two characters from a fun perspective. Think like what Banjo & Kazooie or Duck Hunt does except the characters are next to each other at all times rather than on top of each other. Then again, perhaps they’d be on top of each other so their shared hitbox wouldn’t be too wide.
You know what's a really obvious theory that people don't talk about with Pra_Mai? It WAS Plusle and Minun but they WEREN'T a Duo They were a *_pair_* like Duck Hunt, two characters but one fighter
Welp we still got quite a few in the present game now. Mr. Game&watch, Ice Climbers, Duck Hunt, Wii Fit Trainer, Miis and Piranha Plant. I forgot about ROB too
Well the original plan was to make them exclusive to the Japanese version of the game, but since Roy's game was going to be released shortly after, the plan was to use Melee to advertise the series, as they had planned to make Binding Blade the first Fire Emblem game of the series. Ultimately, Roy's game never made it out of Japan, but the popularity of Marth and Roy did make them release Blazing Sword to the West as simply "Fire Emblem"
@@SandwitchZebra Despite playing Melee as a kid I barely remember Marth and Roy in that game mainly because I was using Kirby and Samus. I randomly picked up FE Awakening for the 3DS in 2014 just because I like the box art and was curious about the gameplay. Turns out that I am now a massive fan of the series and addicted to strategy RPGs now.
I learned quite a lot about Smash. Stuff I never knew prior. This was a very interesting series. I never knew about any of the scrapped or unused content.
Plus we still have characters speaking Japanese in all versions anyway (Cloud, Sephiroth, Kazuya) so it's not like it's an issue of not wanting to leave things unlocalized. They should've just kept it in for all languages.
11:14 having played Yoshi's Story I can tell you that those things are just switches on a path. The path, the dotted line, is a path a lot of different things, but usually platforms, would fly along. And those switches would redirect said platforms. You can see the L shape on the light brown base, that's where the path would be redirected. The lever with the red ball at the end would need to be hit to rotate the light brown base.
@@soraandkairi1194 ...According to who? No source I can find states this, Nintendo has exclusively referred to the character as a man, and I'm pretty sure this would be a much bigger deal if it were true. Not to mention, he's literally based on Kamen Rider, and the arcade game Vs Mach Rider gives him a very obviously masculine figure clearly visible through his tight outfit.
@@ElFreakinCid So a couple years ago, I got this information from someone in the comments section of the remix of Mach Rider’s theme from Melee. I guess from what you have said, they weren’t telling the truth. I’ve played Mach Rider(still own it),and never thought the character looked feminine. Thanks for clarifying that they are actually male and masculine! By the way, what’s VS Mach Rider like?
@@soraandkairi1194 Vs Mach Rider was a Japan-exclusive arcade version of the game with a few differences, iirc, one being that as you progress, Mach Rider inexplicably starts looking more feminine until finally you have a skimpily dressed woman standing by his bike. But Vs isn't canon, and it was clearly one of those tricks to make hormone-driven teenage boys keep popping coins into the machine.
@@ElFreakinCid That’s interesting and weird to say the least. I’m guessing it was a fun game nevertheless. That’s good it’s not canon cause I feel like that just seems wrong. I wonder why we haven’t had a Mach Rider reboot yet.
What helped regular Twilight Princess Shiek get in is that there was a concept for Twilight Princess Shiek's design in the first place, but I don't know if there's ever been any for a "Toon Shiek" or not. Also calling Tetra "Toon Shiek" would really only make sense if she was ever actually called Shiek in any internal files for any of the toon games. And about Piranha Plant's internal name, in the Mario series, the Piranha Plant species is literally called "Pakkun/Packun Flower" in the Japanese version. This is also most definitely why Bowser gives Peach a bouquet of small Piranha Plants; not just as a comedic and totally Bowser-like touch, but also because they literally are a form of flower.
It's funny when these RUclipsrs forget that Smash is a Japanese game. Just random moments they can't connect that a random spelling of a name might be because it's in Japanese. He's otherwise fairly got at this stuff and most of the video is great
Referring to the smash ultimate section here: The image featuring the flaming smash ball with Pit, Fox, and Incineroar is used in the online menus for Nintendo’s occasional ingame tournament qualifiers. I believe the second image is also used in the online menu as well, in the space where banners are placed to notify you about online events, such as event tourneys and the like. Also for the sans hat, I believe the unused emission texture is “used” by the game. But since the meshes for the glowing eye were deleted it’s not easy to tell visually. Iirc parameters for the emission texture are still present in the model.numatb file for the Mii hat, which makes them give or take half unused.
@@FATE522 After how well Smash Ultimate did in sales I'm 99 percent sure there will be another Smash game regardless of if Sakuria is involved or not Nintendo is a company that wants to make money and there's no way I can see them not making another Smash game after Smash Ultimate became the best selling game in the series. That being said where did you hear Sakuria confirm this?
I had the official Melee guide and Ditto was in it. I always wondered why I never saw it in regular gameplay. Must have been cut pretty late in development.
27:03 or maybe it meant that pokemon trainer would be playable (like the smash attacks would have a pokemon come out for a few seconds (That actually sounds kinda cool))
42:45 this one hurt me the most because we are so close at getting a fully evolved grass type starter Pokémon in smash bros for once. Now i praying and hope that springatito from pokemon scarlet and violet humanoid final evoultion or the fully evolved grass type starter from gen 10 will join smash bros 7. By the time smash 7 gets released gen 9 and 10 will be the two current generation for the Pokémon franchise.
I mean, when you think about it, Incineroar is easier to make a completely unique moveset for, it's literally a pro wrestling heel, making it perfect for a fighting game, and Decidueye had just recently been in Pokken while Incineroar hadn't.
When you brought up the Dr. Mario Viruses, I thought for a moment that you were going to say they were considered as a playable character. This made me realize just how neat of a character concept they could be, incorporating puzzle game mechanics into their moveset. They could fight as a single 3-part character and the color of the viruses that make them up could vary based on the moves they used, and getting all 3 of the same color together would give them a power boost...
That old Boxing Arena image with Brawl portraits makes me feel a lot of nostalgia for that age of fake images of "Smash Universe" where everytime they use Brawl pics for returning characters
Wasn't it confirmed Captain Falcon's VA, Ryō Horikawa, hasn't recorded any new dialoged since Smash 64 (aside from the Min Min trailer) and they've all been the same ones since? That "Come on, Blue Falcon!" sounds exactly the same but without the dramatic filter. Also, everyone seems to ignore the fact battle damage was given to one character, Little Mac.
Yeah, every time his dialogue has sounded different, it's because they were using alternate takes he'd recorded years ago. That explains why he actually forgot how to do Falcon's voice and would often substitute his Vegeta voice when asked to do Falcon lines at conventions. Another interesting fact is that Hikaru Midorikawa didn't record any new Marth dialogue until Ultimate, although he'd wanted to do rerecordings for Smash 4 because he was older now and so was Marth, and he wanted to have the dialogue and the sound of his voice better reflect Marth's character development and aging and match how he now sounded in the recent Fire Emblem games, but by the time he asked Sakurai about it, he was a bit too late.
@@ElFreakinCid Not sure if Ryo forgot how to do Falcon's lines, but I remember reading Sakurai specifically requesting he try to make him sound English.
Plusle and Minun could also have worked like Duck Hunt or Banjo & Kazooie, instead of like the Ice Climbers. And Toon-Sheik could have been made up specifically for Smash.
Note that "Dragon King" is a literal translation of the city Sakurai from. Basically imagine a game called "Los Angeles" and someone translating it to "The Angels", as if that's a relevant translation.
Aaronitmar: A game with 8 different Marios can all fight at the same time Me: I thought Mario Kart Tour is a game where 8 different Marios can be on the game at the same time.
16:11 Captain Falcon already rips off Kamen Rider with his Falcon Punch and Falcon Kick and having Mach Rider have a similar moveset would probably cause Toei's lawyers to raise an eyebrow at the least. I wonder what moveset he'd even have.
Im a brawl modder and love the game to death, here's a couple things I think about. In the Japanese version of the game Mystery of the Emblem and Earthbound were masterpieces but taken out for the american release. (Pretty sure those were the two). Code for mii usage does exist within brawl, it's used for the online mode and the theory about the mii character slot does not seem as far fetched to me and couldve been possible. Im actually curious about the falchion cracked bit. As far as my FE knowledge goes the blade itself is unbreakable and only the handle/hilts have broken on it with the sword being reforged after. I gotta look through that again. The most interesting thing though, that isnt well known is the history of the Onett stage. Many textures on that stage comes from earthbound 64. Things like the weathervane, sign, etc. Are the same textures that appeared in the E3 video and promotional material for EB64. This all makes sense though. Remember it being said Lucas was supposed to be in Melee to replace Ness but Ness was added back instead? My theory is Onett is actually a repurposed Lucas EB64 stage. It makes sense as to why it looks nothing like onett and the reuse of assets. Just my hot take.
31:51 This hurts me so much cuz Kirby’s Epic Yarn is one of my favourite video games of all time and I can definitively say I was better off not knowing this.
Villager "not being suited for battle" is another instance of Sakurai being a hypocrite since he said the same about BOTW Zelda _after_ Villager was in Smash.
As an additional note, the Fire Attack censoring isn't even new to Ultimate; the version of the Fire Attack game itself in Game & Watch Gallery 4 had the enemies changed to featherless bandits in the same way. This is the case in both the original GBA cartridge back in 2004 and the Wii U Virtual Console release.
Super Smash Bros for Nintendo 64 in 1999, Super Smash Bros Melee for Nintendo GameCube in 2001, Super Smash Bros Brawl for Nintendo Wii in 2008, Super Smash Bros 4 for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U in 2014 and Super Smash Bros Ultimate for Nintendo Switch in 2018.
In Ultimate, I wish we had all the playable SSB64 stages plus Meta Crystal, Duel Zone and Final Destination 64 even if the latter two might have be redundant. It'd also would have been interesting if Dragon King had been the bonus character instead of Piranha Plant. He'd be polygonal as if he was pulled straight from SSB64!and dropped into Ultimate.
You probably got told of this already, but the bit on Rainbow Curse's early colors it's because it was modeled much closer to the very grey Rainbow Ride in Mario 64, which got fixed in Melee's final release
48:59 Apparently the first two games don't exist (no, Aria of the Soul doesn't count, the remix is clearly a Persona 5 themed version, being an "Acid Jazz" remix using the same instruments and similar style as Persona 5's jazz music and it's in all five games anyway, making it more of a series-wide song than one from any specific game).
36:35 I don't think Metal Face is in a T-pose in that picture, Metal Face has very wide shoulders in his design and the red line on his left arm would be horizontal if he was in a T-pose so it seems like he has some pose there though it's not easy to make out what it could be because of how it's cropped
A few extra tidbits. 1. The random image of the boxing ring stage is likely either a leftover placeholder or a test image, since the increased resolution in ultimate was likely done for the switch's display. 2. Iirc, dataminers were able to discover that the unused sans eye texture was actually meant to be used whenever sans landed a perfect parry. I think modders were even able to reimpliment that.
For the 3ds one, people have nodded in full on characters and big stages and other cool stuff and there is barely any lag, even if you use the card, so I honestly don't even think that tried to add in ice climbers
11:15 The dotted lines are almost definitely paths that the platforms moved along; Those cog things are definitely route-changers that rotate when the red levers are hit. The platforms would probably enter from off stage and, if you rotate that top cog 90 deg anti-clockwise, they would keep moving up and down until someone hits one of the levers. I bet that it was dropped for being unsatisfying, since the levers were probably hit too often (being on the route), but if there were lines that continue up-and-over the stage it could be very fun (or even better, a rainbow ride style map where you alter the course of the track by hitting switches!!). I imagine fuzzys also spawned on those tracks, and would get trapped in the same way.
To this day, I'm still upset that Krystal wasn't a playable fighter in smash due to having to make an entire moveset for you. Got nothing against Wolf, but c'mon...c'mon...While she is in smash, as an assist trophy...it's better than nothing. At least mods are a thing
It's astounding to me that fans have been coming up with perfectly valid movesets for her since 2002, she was literally the most commonly requested female character for Brawl, she made it into the top 10 first-party characters requested for Smash 4/Ultimate, she has long been pulling ahead of Falco in terms of Star Fox character popularity, and the Smash devs still think she shouldn't be playable. And the whole reason she was left out of Brawl was literally just laziness. They were able to whip together Sonic at the last minute and only added Lucario about a year before development was finished, but Krystal? No, can't do that, just leave the game with literally no new playable female characters and reskin Fox a second time. On the bright side though, Ultimate at least making her an Assist may have raised her chances of being upgraded to playable status someday. Hell, she's an Assist with DIALOGUE too, dialogue that didn't exist prior to Ultimate.
@@ElFreakinCid I full on agree to all this. Although, what hurt her chances at the time was due to Starfox Command on DS. That game really butcher her character from top to bottom. While I'm glad she's in Ultimate as an assist trophy, but it babbles me that a first party female Nintendo cannot get in due to having a complete new moveset? I mean, if you look at Ultimate's complete roster, the only female addition with Mythra/Pyra because of Xenoblade's rise to popularity and they're more "recognisable?" Not being bias on it, for I feel they have a whole cast of female characters Nintendo can pick, like Dixie or Krystal. Daisy? Her presence is not that recognisable outside of the Mario Sports/Party games, so this babbles me a lot. All because the devs were "lazy" for putting in more work into a character the fans really wanted since day one.
i find it a bit weird to not mention that the master giant, beast, edge, and fortress did have portraits used in the 3ds version, still, the fact theres a portrait for the master fortress, a form of the master core entirely unique to the wii u version is neat also im so sad the master core and smash run were only used in smash 4 because both of those were cool as shit
42:10 I only really know about Ricter because of the meme. Simon I heard about every now and then, especially with Ca- er... Forget I said anything. Isn't that right, Mega Man, Roll, Dr. Light, Wily, King Hippo, Eggplant Wizard, Pit, DK, Dracula, Alucard, Ganondorf, Link, Zelda, Dragonlord, Medusa, Malkil, Bayou Billy and Mother Brain?
I know people are going to tell me "Well Sakurai wanted this character originally in this game" or "Nobody wants this or that" and stuff like that, but i still wanna say if Japan Exclusivity didnt stop Marth and Roy (Yes i know they were used to advertise the game in Melee) it shouldnt stop Ayumi or Takamaru. No to mention by that point when Melee was the latest entry, who knew who Mr Game and Watch was, before Melee who even knew who Captain Falcon and Ness were? The reason people know who they are now is BECAUSE of Smash and Smash has a tendency to make not so known characters, known. So familiar or not i really would have liked Ayumi Tachibana getting in the game. And Takamaru as well (And he seems to garnered some popularity thanks to Mario maker as well).
@@ElFreakinCid Last time i checked only a few people gotten the game compared to other SNES releases. Majority of people didnt know what the game was or even heard of it back then due to it releasing late in SNES' life cycle. It was thanks to Smash bros why we are aware of the Mother series now. So if people knew who Ness was before Smash Bros 64, my guess would be that only a number of people who knew Ness already would be around the same or similar amount of people who currently knows characters like Ayumi Tachibana right now. And that includes the western releases of Famicom Detective Club.
@@rooraa1861 True but i mention Captain Falcon during the first game. And during that time i would imagine not too many people (At least mre people than those who already knew Ness) wouldnt know or remember Captain Falcon. As the F-Zero X by that point was a year old, and the pilots in F-Zero X all first showed theyre faces in that game. While in F-Zero for SNES, you dont see anyone. If you read the instruction manual youll see Captain Falcon, but i doubt a lot of people read manuals even during that time. So i still think not too many people on the same level as all the others including Samus since shes older and had more games out and Super Metroid did phenomenally well to the point she was just iconic in her own right.
The visible damage thing was certainly pretty neat in theory. Probably would have DRASTICALLY complicated the development of these games just that little bit more, but i am surprised that we haven't REALLY seen this feature come back as just sort of a visual indicator that the player has taken a serious beating or something. I wouldn't quite say the whole "If a player get's hit really hard, SOME characters will briefly show minor damage that will magically disappear moments later" thing really counts either. Dunno how i would feel if most characters had their weapons and equipment break as they kept going on as a way to handicap them for doing so well, but i mean, hey, would have been an interesting way of giving players that aren't doing as hot a chance to come back i guess, would have certainly been interesting to see.
“Characters being passed over as players might find them unfamiliar” is exactly why these characters SHOULD be put into Smash games. I don’t think many people would’ve know what Fire Emblem or Earthbound was without being introduced to them in Smash first! So what I’m ultimately saying is… Klonoa for Sm6sh!
Are we completely certain that the Viruses were planned as a boss? I mean, yeah, there's the jpeg, but that's just a picture of their throphy, which are used in the throphy horde. Maybe it was just a placeholder?
The early prototype is actually called "Ryuo: The Fighting Game" named after a neighborhood in Japan which means "Dragon King" but the game wasn't called that
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Using melee’s parallel universes via Mario being able to do so; not only has Mr. Maarionitmar here mastered the art of BLJ, he has ended up in the loading zones of 2019
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Fun fact: the unused portrait of the Master Giant and Master Beast were later repurposed as the Spirit artwork for the Master Giant and Master Beast spirit in SSBU
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@@Jellyman4 lol
They are used for the 3ds just hard to see.
@@awildperson.4788 when was it used, I wanna check it out
@@enigmat05 when you fight master core you just gotta look closely enough because it's thing is covered by the swarm.
35:24 Kirby saying heavenly light and explosive flame is not something I knew I needed. Too adorable.
I love how in Sm4sh, Viridi roasts Chrom and tells him to his face that he didn't get in because he would be an Ike clone with no Aether. Then he gets in in Ultimate, and he somehow ends up being a Roy clone with Ike's Aether. Like, what?
How about the sheer irony of telling a Fire Emblem character he didn't get in cause he'd just be a clone, in a game where Lucina got in and is literally a reskin of Marth?
@@ElFreakinCid to be fair though, Lucina was created as a costume initially.
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That makes it even worse!
Really the Palutena guidances were all kind of hit or miss regarding since they attempted to be so much in touch with fans but...
Man the Chrom quote for Robin's guidance was just so misinformed lol, I wonder what did the script writer see there to write that
(Chrom actually gets Aether in Awakening, I have no idea how that line slipped through)
(2:10) Note that, just because the background is the same as the Dreamland stage has now, doesn't mean that was the background used during testing. It can mean the testing stage is simply reading the same file as the Dreamland stage for the background, and the background can have been replaced after completing the final Dreamland stage, which would also change the background for all testing stages that is using the same file.
Here’s a fun fact:
TCRF claims that the Galaxian sound is unused in Pac-Man's victory animations, but it’s actually used when Pac-Man falls next to the 7650 sign.
Also, you can attack the trampoline in ultimate, but it doesn’t turn green.
Anyways, here’s proof about the galaxian fact: ruclips.net/video/2QI4oEpYHtI/видео.html
Why is there a 765o sign anyway?
@@k-leb4671 It's a reference to Pac-Land, as it's the highest score you can get at the end of every level
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@@SoshiTheYoshi In addition, the 765 is a sort of Japanese wordplay called "goroawase", since 765 can be pronounced as "na-mu-ko", or Namco.
A bit of a correction:
"Dragon King" is meant to be "Ryuo," as it's named after an actual place in Japan.
It's Ryūō or Ryuuou/Ryuuoh ( 龍王, 竜王). It's also the name of a shogi tournament and does in fact translate to "dragon king" so this isn't even a correction.
Bro they're exactly the same and it isn't even a place. It's just a normal word and a place is named after it. You fake Japan nerds are too bad at understand any Japanese. Just fucking stop it.
@@mattwo7 But imagine a Spanish development team calling the codename of their game Los Angeles after the US city. But then people translate the name to "The Angels" when talking about the game. It's a translation, but it's weird doing it like that.
@@Liggliluff Considering it's a US city, I could only imagine the British, one of their other former colonies or current territories (that used to be _called_ colonies but rebranded even though they're basically the same thing) calling it The Angels and even then LA is _probably_ well enough known around the world that no one would translate it to "The Angels" or any other language really.
Maybe a more obscure city like [San Buena]Ventura (which is actually named after Saint Bonaventure, an Italian name that means good life, good fortune, Ventura itself translating to "fortune" but considering what Bonaventure was patron saint of, I'd say ironically, he's not that lucky at all...).
There's also a city near LA generically named El Segundo (The Second) which was named because it was the site of the second Standard Oil refinery on the west coast, that's probably a lot closer to Ryūō than LA or Ventura all things considered, albeit far more of a generic name as "ryūō" _probably_ doesn't come up as often in non-shogi-related casual conversation as "el segundo".
11:15 They are from Yoshi Story. Hit them with eggs to rotate them. They decide where the platforms move at that junction.
Loved Yoshi's Story as a kid and recognized those immediately but was seeing if anyone else had commented it before I did. Glad to know there are others out there who still remember the game. It's an old fave that I feel like rarely gets mentioned
"No idea where these things on the Yoshi's Story stage that's based on the game Yoshi's Story could be from. Guess it'll remain a mystery"
2:14 Are we not gonna talk about how Samus ledge grabbed a platform?
What a wild mechanic that would be if it remained in game. Things would be so different.
Is... Is that not a mechanic in Smash? Why not? What a weird omission. How do you stop falling off without an Up-Special?
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer He meant grabbing the platforms in the middle of the stage, not the ledge off the side.
I do think that if Plusle and Minun were planned that they weren't gonna be 2 separate fighters like the Ice Climbers, but that they'd act like one Fighter at all times, hence why they'd only share only 1 filename
They would prob more a less be ice climbers mixed with pichu
@@lechonked8448 I thought that would prob require more than 1 file, right? Personally, I'm assuming it would have been either: 1) the same moveset on one individual character with various costumes (for plusle, minun, and recolors of them), or 2) it would be more like an aegis situation, where you switch between them somehow
I guess it could be possible that there was just so little progress on them that they never got around to creating the second character
@@quarepercutisproximum9582 I think they mean (and I think as well) that they function as one character but aesthetically look like two. They’d be walking together, they’d swing each around for attacks, they’d jump together, they’d get launched together, they’d share hitboxes and hurtboxes and can’t be separated, etc. They’d be one character from a gameplay perspective but two characters from a fun perspective. Think like what Banjo & Kazooie or Duck Hunt does except the characters are next to each other at all times rather than on top of each other. Then again, perhaps they’d be on top of each other so their shared hitbox wouldn’t be too wide.
@@SandwitchZebra Ohh, that makes sense
imagine being mewtwo, the only character scrapped TWICE
King dedede tho..
@@Kyubeyisbestboy nope, only once for 3D
snake was scrapped in both 3ds and wii u versions
Better nerf Greninja
15:54 31:04 Takamaru says hi.
You know what's a really obvious theory that people don't talk about with Pra_Mai?
It WAS Plusle and Minun but they WEREN'T a Duo
They were a *_pair_* like Duck Hunt, two characters but one fighter
so they be a stacker
Kinda sad to see all the weird/obscure characters passed over since those kind have been some of my favorite inclusions in future releases
Welp we still got quite a few in the present game now. Mr. Game&watch, Ice Climbers, Duck Hunt, Wii Fit Trainer, Miis and Piranha Plant. I forgot about ROB too
@@kylewood4488-b9r Don't forget Steve
So many characters were scrapped in Melee for being Japan exclusive but……Marth was Japan exclusive, and Roy technically still is Japan exclusive?
Well the original plan was to make them exclusive to the Japanese version of the game, but since Roy's game was going to be released shortly after, the plan was to use Melee to advertise the series, as they had planned to make Binding Blade the first Fire Emblem game of the series. Ultimately, Roy's game never made it out of Japan, but the popularity of Marth and Roy did make them release Blazing Sword to the West as simply "Fire Emblem"
Sakurai didn't actually want Roy in Melee, but the company president insisted on it as a way of advertising the newest Fire Emblem game.
@@WolfDB So odd how we went from that to Fire Emblem finally getting a worldwide simultaneous release with Three Houses
@@SandwitchZebra Despite playing Melee as a kid I barely remember Marth and Roy in that game mainly because I was using Kirby and Samus. I randomly picked up FE Awakening for the 3DS in 2014 just because I like the box art and was curious about the gameplay. Turns out that I am now a massive fan of the series and addicted to strategy RPGs now.
Part of me wishes Lucas made it in to melee because it might have motivated them to finish Earthbound 64 or at least localize mother 3
The reason why Piranha Plant has the internal filename "Packun" is because his Japanese name is literally "Packun Flower".
I’m glad we’ve made it to the year 2019, it’s been a rollercoaster few years but I think it’s going to be all uphill from here. Can’t wait for 2020!
Famous last words
god said no
Aged like fine wine
Last words before chaps
Chaos
I learned quite a lot about Smash. Stuff I never knew prior. This was a very interesting series. I never knew about any of the scrapped or unused content.
I wish they kept Mewtwo's speaking voice and it would've sounded so cool.
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Plus we still have characters speaking Japanese in all versions anyway (Cloud, Sephiroth, Kazuya) so it's not like it's an issue of not wanting to leave things unlocalized. They should've just kept it in for all languages.
@@ExaltedUriel Marth also used to only speak japanese too for the longest time.
11:14 having played Yoshi's Story I can tell you that those things are just switches on a path. The path, the dotted line, is a path a lot of different things, but usually platforms, would fly along. And those switches would redirect said platforms. You can see the L shape on the light brown base, that's where the path would be redirected. The lever with the red ball at the end would need to be hit to rotate the light brown base.
"Since we're in 2019"
Cue Tidus laugh.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
Imma stop u right there. Plant’s “unused 3rd jump” can be used without spirits, because that’s his *2nd jump*
"mach rider has such a cool name" is such a sakurai thing to say i love it
It's pretty funny! Also did you know that Mach Rider is Female? I didn't think so myself, but I guess it's true. So, she predates Samus!
@@soraandkairi1194 ...According to who? No source I can find states this, Nintendo has exclusively referred to the character as a man, and I'm pretty sure this would be a much bigger deal if it were true. Not to mention, he's literally based on Kamen Rider, and the arcade game Vs Mach Rider gives him a very obviously masculine figure clearly visible through his tight outfit.
@@ElFreakinCid So a couple years ago, I got this information from someone in the comments section of the remix of Mach Rider’s theme from Melee.
I guess from what you have said, they weren’t telling the truth. I’ve played Mach Rider(still own it),and never thought the character looked feminine. Thanks for clarifying that they are actually male and masculine! By the way, what’s VS Mach Rider like?
@@soraandkairi1194 Vs Mach Rider was a Japan-exclusive arcade version of the game with a few differences, iirc, one being that as you progress, Mach Rider inexplicably starts looking more feminine until finally you have a skimpily dressed woman standing by his bike. But Vs isn't canon, and it was clearly one of those tricks to make hormone-driven teenage boys keep popping coins into the machine.
@@ElFreakinCid That’s interesting and weird to say the least. I’m guessing it was a fun game nevertheless. That’s good it’s not canon cause I feel like that just seems wrong.
I wonder why we haven’t had a Mach Rider reboot yet.
What helped regular Twilight Princess Shiek get in is that there was a concept for Twilight Princess Shiek's design in the first place, but I don't know if there's ever been any for a "Toon Shiek" or not. Also calling Tetra "Toon Shiek" would really only make sense if she was ever actually called Shiek in any internal files for any of the toon games.
And about Piranha Plant's internal name, in the Mario series, the Piranha Plant species is literally called "Pakkun/Packun Flower" in the Japanese version. This is also most definitely why Bowser gives Peach a bouquet of small Piranha Plants; not just as a comedic and totally Bowser-like touch, but also because they literally are a form of flower.
It's funny when these RUclipsrs forget that Smash is a Japanese game. Just random moments they can't connect that a random spelling of a name might be because it's in Japanese.
He's otherwise fairly got at this stuff and most of the video is great
Referring to the smash ultimate section here:
The image featuring the flaming smash ball with Pit, Fox, and Incineroar is used in the online menus for Nintendo’s occasional ingame tournament qualifiers. I believe the second image is also used in the online menu as well, in the space where banners are placed to notify you about online events, such as event tourneys and the like.
Also for the sans hat, I believe the unused emission texture is “used” by the game. But since the meshes for the glowing eye were deleted it’s not easy to tell visually. Iirc parameters for the emission texture are still present in the model.numatb file for the Mii hat, which makes them give or take half unused.
Smash bros had such an interesting history
Had? It's not even done. Sakurai confirmed there would be another one for the new console.
@@FATE522 Proof?
@@FATE522 After how well Smash Ultimate did in sales I'm 99 percent sure there will be another Smash game regardless of if Sakuria is involved or not Nintendo is a company that wants to make money and there's no way I can see them not making another Smash game after Smash Ultimate became the best selling game in the series.
That being said where did you hear Sakuria confirm this?
Huh. Dixie was actually one of my top picks for characters I wanted to see added. Wild that she was that close to getting in.
I had the official Melee guide and Ditto was in it. I always wondered why I never saw it in regular gameplay. Must have been cut pretty late in development.
27:03 or maybe it meant that pokemon trainer would be playable (like the smash attacks would have a pokemon come out for a few seconds (That actually sounds kinda cool))
They didn’t add Ayumi Tachibana in melee because she was japan-only but they left marth and roy, who at the time were japan-only as well. Brilliant
42:45 this one hurt me the most because we are so close at getting a fully evolved grass type starter Pokémon in smash bros for once. Now i praying and hope that springatito from pokemon scarlet and violet humanoid final evoultion or the fully evolved grass type starter from gen 10 will join smash bros 7. By the time smash 7 gets released gen 9 and 10 will be the two current generation for the Pokémon franchise.
I mean, when you think about it, Incineroar is easier to make a completely unique moveset for, it's literally a pro wrestling heel, making it perfect for a fighting game, and Decidueye had just recently been in Pokken while Incineroar hadn't.
We have all seen all of these scraps since years ago, but they are pretty fun, especially when all are put on the same video
This man is scraping the wood out of the bottom barrel when It comes to uncovering smash facts
He’s just trying to make a good video that’s not to long shut up
And now thanks to Sakurai we do have footage of Dragon King/Ryu-oh.
When you brought up the Dr. Mario Viruses, I thought for a moment that you were going to say they were considered as a playable character. This made me realize just how neat of a character concept they could be, incorporating puzzle game mechanics into their moveset. They could fight as a single 3-part character and the color of the viruses that make them up could vary based on the moves they used, and getting all 3 of the same color together would give them a power boost...
Dreamland with ledges on the platforms is so cursed
“Today I’m about recycle ideas for another video milking smash bros”
That old Boxing Arena image with Brawl portraits makes me feel a lot of nostalgia for that age of fake images of "Smash Universe" where everytime they use Brawl pics for returning characters
Wasn't it confirmed Captain Falcon's VA, Ryō Horikawa, hasn't recorded any new dialoged since Smash 64 (aside from the Min Min trailer) and they've all been the same ones since? That "Come on, Blue Falcon!" sounds exactly the same but without the dramatic filter.
Also, everyone seems to ignore the fact battle damage was given to one character, Little Mac.
Yeah, every time his dialogue has sounded different, it's because they were using alternate takes he'd recorded years ago. That explains why he actually forgot how to do Falcon's voice and would often substitute his Vegeta voice when asked to do Falcon lines at conventions. Another interesting fact is that Hikaru Midorikawa didn't record any new Marth dialogue until Ultimate, although he'd wanted to do rerecordings for Smash 4 because he was older now and so was Marth, and he wanted to have the dialogue and the sound of his voice better reflect Marth's character development and aging and match how he now sounded in the recent Fire Emblem games, but by the time he asked Sakurai about it, he was a bit too late.
@@ElFreakinCid Not sure if Ryo forgot how to do Falcon's lines, but I remember reading Sakurai specifically requesting he try to make him sound English.
Plusle and Minun could also have worked like Duck Hunt or Banjo & Kazooie, instead of like the Ice Climbers.
And Toon-Sheik could have been made up specifically for Smash.
Note that "Dragon King" is a literal translation of the city Sakurai from. Basically imagine a game called "Los Angeles" and someone translating it to "The Angels", as if that's a relevant translation.
NEW is unironically one of my favorite stages in the series to play on. I remake it in every Stage Builder iteration.
Aaronitmar: A game with 8 different Marios can all fight at the same time
Me: I thought Mario Kart Tour is a game where 8 different Marios can be on the game at the same time.
I love all 89 characters in Super Smash Bros Ultimate.
I thought it was a reupload
for a sec but now I'm not disappointment
guys he's not disappointment we need to find him
16:11 Captain Falcon already rips off Kamen Rider with his Falcon Punch and Falcon Kick and having Mach Rider have a similar moveset would probably cause Toei's lawyers to raise an eyebrow at the least. I wonder what moveset he'd even have.
Great coverage of the whole series!
Hey, now that Marth is in Smash Remix, he surely is a counterpart to Link in smash 64
Swordman unite
Im a brawl modder and love the game to death, here's a couple things I think about.
In the Japanese version of the game Mystery of the Emblem and Earthbound were masterpieces but taken out for the american release. (Pretty sure those were the two).
Code for mii usage does exist within brawl, it's used for the online mode and the theory about the mii character slot does not seem as far fetched to me and couldve been possible.
Im actually curious about the falchion cracked bit. As far as my FE knowledge goes the blade itself is unbreakable and only the handle/hilts have broken on it with the sword being reforged after. I gotta look through that again.
The most interesting thing though, that isnt well known is the history of the Onett stage. Many textures on that stage comes from earthbound 64. Things like the weathervane, sign, etc. Are the same textures that appeared in the E3 video and promotional material for EB64. This all makes sense though. Remember it being said Lucas was supposed to be in Melee to replace Ness but Ness was added back instead? My theory is Onett is actually a repurposed Lucas EB64 stage. It makes sense as to why it looks nothing like onett and the reuse of assets. Just my hot take.
31:51 This hurts me so much cuz Kirby’s Epic Yarn is one of my favourite video games of all time and I can definitively say I was better off not knowing this.
Fun fact: drinking is just eating drink
Villager "not being suited for battle" is another instance of Sakurai being a hypocrite since he said the same about BOTW Zelda _after_ Villager was in Smash.
Botw Zelda got played dirty
Ngl it would have been weird to see BOTW Zelda fighting with those attacks
Fun fact: eating is just drinking water
As an additional note, the Fire Attack censoring isn't even new to Ultimate; the version of the Fire Attack game itself in Game & Watch Gallery 4 had the enemies changed to featherless bandits in the same way. This is the case in both the original GBA cartridge back in 2004 and the Wii U Virtual Console release.
Super Smash Bros for Nintendo 64 in 1999, Super Smash Bros Melee for Nintendo GameCube in 2001, Super Smash Bros Brawl for Nintendo Wii in 2008, Super Smash Bros 4 for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U in 2014 and Super Smash Bros Ultimate for Nintendo Switch in 2018.
In Ultimate, I wish we had all the playable SSB64 stages plus Meta Crystal, Duel Zone and Final Destination 64 even if the latter two might have be redundant.
It'd also would have been interesting if Dragon King had been the bonus character instead of Piranha Plant. He'd be polygonal as if he was pulled straight from SSB64!and dropped into Ultimate.
You probably got told of this already, but the bit on Rainbow Curse's early colors it's because it was modeled much closer to the very grey Rainbow Ride in Mario 64, which got fixed in Melee's final release
Man, 2019. Feels good to be back.
"Hey-ah-chi"
You're missing an H there, friend.
48:59 Apparently the first two games don't exist (no, Aria of the Soul doesn't count, the remix is clearly a Persona 5 themed version, being an "Acid Jazz" remix using the same instruments and similar style as Persona 5's jazz music and it's in all five games anyway, making it more of a series-wide song than one from any specific game).
That’s so much better that Lucas never replaced Ness in melee we dodged a bullet
I haven't watched yet but I'm sure this one will also be great :D
48:47 also is the same game where chrom appear as robin's final smash while fighting chrom same color and everything the irony
36:35 I don't think Metal Face is in a T-pose in that picture, Metal Face has very wide shoulders in his design and the red line on his left arm would be horizontal if he was in a T-pose so it seems like he has some pose there though it's not easy to make out what it could be because of how it's cropped
A few extra tidbits.
1. The random image of the boxing ring stage is likely either a leftover placeholder or a test image, since the increased resolution in ultimate was likely done for the switch's display.
2. Iirc, dataminers were able to discover that the unused sans eye texture was actually meant to be used whenever sans landed a perfect parry. I think modders were even able to reimpliment that.
For the 3ds one, people have nodded in full on characters and big stages and other cool stuff and there is barely any lag, even if you use the card, so I honestly don't even think that tried to add in ice climbers
The backlash for game & watches forward smash was literally one person
"Dragon king"
And let me introduce you to
"The angels", California, also known as LA.
Fun fact: water is just thick air
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11:15 The dotted lines are almost definitely paths that the platforms moved along; Those cog things are definitely route-changers that rotate when the red levers are hit.
The platforms would probably enter from off stage and, if you rotate that top cog 90 deg anti-clockwise, they would keep moving up and down until someone hits one of the levers. I bet that it was dropped for being unsatisfying, since the levers were probably hit too often (being on the route), but if there were lines that continue up-and-over the stage it could be very fun (or even better, a rainbow ride style map where you alter the course of the track by hitting switches!!).
I imagine fuzzys also spawned on those tracks, and would get trapped in the same way.
Only OGs remember 2019
"...outside of Japan, the character would be unfamiliar to players" *Adds Marth and Roy in Melee*
To this day, I'm still upset that Krystal wasn't a playable fighter in smash due to having to make an entire moveset for you. Got nothing against Wolf, but c'mon...c'mon...While she is in smash, as an assist trophy...it's better than nothing. At least mods are a thing
It's astounding to me that fans have been coming up with perfectly valid movesets for her since 2002, she was literally the most commonly requested female character for Brawl, she made it into the top 10 first-party characters requested for Smash 4/Ultimate, she has long been pulling ahead of Falco in terms of Star Fox character popularity, and the Smash devs still think she shouldn't be playable. And the whole reason she was left out of Brawl was literally just laziness. They were able to whip together Sonic at the last minute and only added Lucario about a year before development was finished, but Krystal? No, can't do that, just leave the game with literally no new playable female characters and reskin Fox a second time.
On the bright side though, Ultimate at least making her an Assist may have raised her chances of being upgraded to playable status someday. Hell, she's an Assist with DIALOGUE too, dialogue that didn't exist prior to Ultimate.
Aye.
@@ElFreakinCid I full on agree to all this. Although, what hurt her chances at the time was due to Starfox Command on DS. That game really butcher her character from top to bottom. While I'm glad she's in Ultimate as an assist trophy, but it babbles me that a first party female Nintendo cannot get in due to having a complete new moveset? I mean, if you look at Ultimate's complete roster, the only female addition with Mythra/Pyra because of Xenoblade's rise to popularity and they're more "recognisable?" Not being bias on it, for I feel they have a whole cast of female characters Nintendo can pick, like Dixie or Krystal. Daisy? Her presence is not that recognisable outside of the Mario Sports/Party games, so this babbles me a lot. All because the devs were "lazy" for putting in more work into a character the fans really wanted since day one.
@@Hisho30 I think you mean to say it "baffles" you, but yeah.
@@Hisho30 The Problem is that Star fox Adventures is not good, so it's not worth it. Diddy in Smash has a costume referencing Dixie.
Fun fact: swimming is just flying in water and flying is just swimming in the air
No crap Sherlock
i find it a bit weird to not mention that the master giant, beast, edge, and fortress did have portraits used in the 3ds version, still, the fact theres a portrait for the master fortress, a form of the master core entirely unique to the wii u version is neat
also im so sad the master core and smash run were only used in smash 4 because both of those were cool as shit
29:23 I feel so bad for laughing at this one specifically.
42:10 I only really know about Ricter because of the meme. Simon I heard about every now and then, especially with Ca- er...
Forget I said anything. Isn't that right, Mega Man, Roll, Dr. Light, Wily, King Hippo, Eggplant Wizard, Pit, DK, Dracula, Alucard, Ganondorf, Link, Zelda, Dragonlord, Medusa, Malkil, Bayou Billy and Mother Brain?
They really need to put you on Did you know Gaming
I know people are going to tell me "Well Sakurai wanted this character originally in this game" or "Nobody wants this or that" and stuff like that, but i still wanna say if Japan Exclusivity didnt stop Marth and Roy (Yes i know they were used to advertise the game in Melee) it shouldnt stop Ayumi or Takamaru. No to mention by that point when Melee was the latest entry, who knew who Mr Game and Watch was, before Melee who even knew who Captain Falcon and Ness were? The reason people know who they are now is BECAUSE of Smash and Smash has a tendency to make not so known characters, known. So familiar or not i really would have liked Ayumi Tachibana getting in the game. And Takamaru as well (And he seems to garnered some popularity thanks to Mario maker as well).
Plenty of people knew who Ness was, EarthBound wasn't exactly an unknown thing.
@@ElFreakinCid Last time i checked only a few people gotten the game compared to other SNES releases. Majority of people didnt know what the game was or even heard of it back then due to it releasing late in SNES' life cycle. It was thanks to Smash bros why we are aware of the Mother series now.
So if people knew who Ness was before Smash Bros 64, my guess would be that only a number of people who knew Ness already would be around the same or similar amount of people who currently knows characters like Ayumi Tachibana right now. And that includes the western releases of Famicom Detective Club.
F zero was still getting games by the time melee was out, captain falcon would've been on the same level as at least samus
@@rooraa1861 True but i mention Captain Falcon during the first game. And during that time i would imagine not too many people (At least mre people than those who already knew Ness) wouldnt know or remember Captain Falcon. As the F-Zero X by that point was a year old, and the pilots in F-Zero X all first showed theyre faces in that game.
While in F-Zero for SNES, you dont see anyone. If you read the instruction manual youll see Captain Falcon, but i doubt a lot of people read manuals even during that time. So i still think not too many people on the same level as all the others including Samus since shes older and had more games out and Super Metroid did phenomenally well to the point she was just iconic in her own right.
47:02 Something similar is in Luigi’s trailer where Dr Mario has his smash 4 animation for his side special right before Luigi does green missile
Why does he say "now that we're in the year 2019" when this video released early 2022? Am I missing something?
its recorded in 2019 you can tell by how he looks a lot younger vs a recent pic of him this year
Fun fact: you time travel every second
What?
48:42 It's interesting that the devs thought of this, but didn't bother to change Robin's final smash.
35:24 I'M DYEING ITS SO CUTE
(35:00) Isn't packun the Japanese name for the species, and therefore no reference between the piranha plant fighter and the boss character is made.
Man, in an alternate universe, Melee has Excitebike instead of Ice Climbers. Can you imagine how much different the competitive scene would've been??
The visible damage thing was certainly pretty neat in theory. Probably would have DRASTICALLY complicated the development of these games just that little bit more, but i am surprised that we haven't REALLY seen this feature come back as just sort of a visual indicator that the player has taken a serious beating or something. I wouldn't quite say the whole "If a player get's hit really hard, SOME characters will briefly show minor damage that will magically disappear moments later" thing really counts either.
Dunno how i would feel if most characters had their weapons and equipment break as they kept going on as a way to handicap them for doing so well, but i mean, hey, would have been an interesting way of giving players that aren't doing as hot a chance to come back i guess, would have certainly been interesting to see.
you should start making smash ultimate mods videos just like you did back in smash 4
“Characters being passed over as players might find them unfamiliar” is exactly why these characters SHOULD be put into Smash games. I don’t think many people would’ve know what Fire Emblem or Earthbound was without being introduced to them in Smash first!
So what I’m ultimately saying is…
Klonoa for Sm6sh!
Both min min from arms and pyra mythra from xenoblade chronicles 2 are dlc
Fun fact : a bear without teeth is a gummy bear
Great video 🔥
Amazing work dude
Are we completely certain that the Viruses were planned as a boss?
I mean, yeah, there's the jpeg, but that's just a picture of their throphy, which are used in the throphy horde.
Maybe it was just a placeholder?
am i the only one who thinks it’s a crime that blaziken isn’t the gen 3 pokemon rep in smash?
It's a serious crime
The early prototype is actually called "Ryuo: The Fighting Game" named after a neighborhood in Japan which means "Dragon King" but the game wasn't called that
I’ve been waiting for this since Sora’s reveal
I think Olimar was planned for melee
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I hope I am just going crazy right now.
BRING BACK THE BEARD AARON, IT LOOKED SO DAMN GOOOOOOOD
42:08 Incineroar my favorite Smash Character