I'd say he got World Record on Classic but using layering means he did not break the World Record of Vanilla imo. Can't compare one to the other if one can use different mechanics and rules.
Pretty much. It'd be like saying someone who broke the rack pull record also beat the world record on deadlift. Same motion sure, but a rack pull starts off of the ground already, and a deadlift you gotta pull it from the ground up. Just dosen't count if it isn't the exact same. But he obviously does clearly hold the classic wow record for now
So if he plays on private servers with the "vanilla" patch it dosent count because its not "officially blizzard" and he cant get it on the official classic rerelease because its not the same? Id say his times in private servers should be valid for vanilla runs and his classic time should be valid for classic speedruns.
One person can't be considered "gamer" if he didnt play 25 consecutive hours 😂😂,oldschool usually players didnt sleep in 2 days ranking up lvl or searching for be the n1 in driving games
Method” is a professional raiding guild in the popular MMORPG “World of Warcraft”. Under the guidance of guild master Scott “Sco” McMillan the guild has come to be revered by many as the most accomplished guild of all time with several noteworthy achievements under its belt such as multiple world firsts, high ranking PvP teams and losing the Classic 60 race to a bald Maltese gnome.
As well as a much more reliable and stable engine that Classic is running on. Mages couldn't aoe kite reliably every pull in Vanilla. They had to constantly worry about mobs lagging out, warping on them and insta-killing them.
I wouldn't even call it an exploit. He's using included game mechanics to his advantage in a smart way. This whole thing having been done on a totally different engine and era though doesn't break the vanilla record. It sets one for Classic which in it's own is impressive.
@Dr Boom good point. Also he got stream sniped a lot and he only used the layer mechanic when he learned about it at lvl 57. Though I would think there would be different speed run categories for different classes. Where mages would have one and hunters another ect.
@@Kynanthys be more impressove if tyou actually had something to say rather than just unnecessarily bitching about a game mechanic every1 'abuses' and stroking that nostalgia shlong just a little bit harder than ppl playing atm
Totally agree, 1.13 has retail elements that weren't in classic. hunter, for example, can not feign and drink/lay trap like you could in classic. The second you commit to any action while in a group or your pet is attacking you are instantly in combat and are unable to do so.
I am 100% confident that he could have done an almost identical run back in vanilla. No layering? Yeah, but also no raids of 30 sperglords rushing him at all times, and zones packed full of hundreds of players. Vanilla was a ghost town compared to classic.
Doesn´t really matter at all. If this was the exact same patch, he would be way faster than the old record for sure. He had a high xp p/hour strategy, which was way above the old one. Layering and Trolls where playing around each other, he lost a good amount of time getting streamsniped. And he got a lot of time by layering. Even more than by snipers, but anyway. He would have beaten this record by miles without a doubt
every vaulty video is clickbait or bullshit. He's a clicking idiot who couldent kill a turtle mob because its spinning was "op and impossible to kill" Unfortunatly my youtube blocker which blocks this idiots videos stopped working due to a reformat but im gonna fix that now
I know I am losing more respect for him each video, he recently did a good job by showing what the end of the map is and it is an original idea and video but this video made me lose even more respect for him, if he keeps this up I am gonna unsub. I have no doubt others have too.
Yeah I agree, the best massively playable online multiplayer massive mmo to play with a lot of player in a massively multiplayer way in a massive mmorpg world. The part I like the most is the rpg and mmo part. The fact that it is one of the best massive multiplayer massively playable online multiplayer mmo's indeed.
Ultima Online was better with WoW being a close 2nd the only issue was UO came out before internet and computers where a main stay in almost every ones home
I would say Joana has the Vanilla record and Jokerd has the Classic record, its not the same due to layering etc. They are both still impressive tho and i would not be surprised if jokerd was able to beat joanas method with the same conditions seeing as his new record was so much faster. Or at least come close.
Not rly. Once you are ahead a few levels nobody can gank you and the early routes are well separated. A group of people tried when he was like 55, but because of layers he just joined a different party, and all the enemies was gone.
Not to shit on his record in WoW Classic, but the record does not compare to the hunter's. Just the layering mechanic alone makes it unlike how Vanilla truly was, furthermore, no one had a clue how to play back then, now you've had time to plan WAY in advance and probably got help from friends along the way. Her record will never be broken, because, as far as retail WoW goes, it's not coming back in its 100% original form. Huge accomplishment, nonetheless. Mages, ho!
Your title is wrong. He didn't not break the record. Because he used layering. Layering was not in Vanilla WoW. He set the record for Classic. Sure. But he didn't break the old record. The old record will never be broken.
Joker did share his accound with his brother (On a same computer so it's not illegal) so no new record there. That character is fastest to lvl 60 yes but with layering it wont fit in the same catecory with original joanna's speedrun!
Unfortunately the spawn rates were increased and the layering changed the speed at which one could level, thus making this an exclusive Classic record and not comparable to vanilla.
@@SB-nh7uv Okay, so it was *"only"* for the most difficult part, where it would make the biggest difference ... It doesn't matter that HE didn't quest, the point is those levels take the longest for everyone. So if he "only" took advantage of those loopholes during the part where everybody was struggling, that's an even bigger advantage than if he did it in a level range where people had a better chance of keeping up. I mean don't get me wrong, I'm not gonna sit here and say he cheated or anything like that. He figured out how things work and used it to his advantage, fair play to him. He legitimately got the record for Classic WoW, not gonna argue with that, but I don't agree that that's the same thing as breaking the record for Vanilla.
@@jameshill2450 I watched him live. He was way ahead of everyone. All the other player abused the mechanic. He only used it from 58 to 60. He played legit in the beginning.
@@DaladendDarrowmere it is not a "NEW" feature you dumb twat muffin. it was in game for 1 week other wise no one would lvl it is already out of the game it was only there for launch.. no one gave a shit about vanillas initial release the first week like classic pulled in for player numbers.
No it was not broken. The record would have been broken if there were same conditions. World first in Vanilla is something different than world first in Classic imho.
Yes absolutely, this layering makes a huge difference. You could compare it to a racing car, in vanilla you had only one set of tires whereas in classic you have an unlimited amount of tires.
@@jopewot7859 This analogy is so fucking dumb. Do you think the speed record of a car is invalidated because the previous record used a older version of an engine? Circumstances change, new technology and tactics are used to achieve better times. Jokerd's run is completely legitimate for a vanilla speedrun. If you disagree you should ask yourself: why didn't Joana make use of the same tactic?
Yeah it is, anybody that cares knows they are different, this video was well made with the clickbait title and topic to push dialogue, I can't blame him.
Also another note. An oceanic player named Leshraque was comming first for a long time but then his server crashed (all the oceanic servers crashed) and didn't come back up for 7 hours, then they weren't stable after that. OCE has had many crashes since launch.
@@maxweing9843 but even if you were correct still using a mechanic that wasn't in vanilla = different record. So my original comment is still correct. Plus let's not forget he got to practice on private servers and had access to all information on vanilla that other players gathered themselves.... So in regards to beating the old vanilla record.... It isn't possible. He is "classic" world first to 60. And he set a good time. But others have a chance to beat his time still if they care to do so. But after layering is removed I doubt anyone, himself included, will beat his time.
@@jond5939 mh staying lvl 10 for like 0,5h. have to queue for up to 3hours. all this stuff didnt happen in joanna runs. its beaten, deal with it. even joana himself gratz this guy.
Aspect of the Cheetah actually only provides a 30% buff until you talent into Pathfinder which gives 4% bonus per point, with a max of 2 points. Maxing out at 38% speed sometime in the 30s in the Beast Mastery tree.
Yea well I broke A record on classic 3 weeks into the launch of the game on A arcane mage by the name of Deshire level 60 . Did molten core raid in all blue gear except for A green ring that gave me spell power killed ragnaros with the use of 2 serium bombs 1 wipe only reason the raid team wiped was because other players would not stand where i told them to stand . So that raid earned me legendary status on classic wow
I have been Playing WORLD of WARCRAFT since early cata as an arcane mage by the name manemage ' back then everything was still in use .the talent trees an you still had to learn all spells from a trainer . weapon skills were op as you had to level them up and you had to continiously remove curses off of you I loved it when we were finally able to kill deathwing and clear dragon soul.
It is the best massively playable online multiplayer massive mmo to play with a lot of player in a massively multiplayer way in a massive mmorpg world. The part I like the most is the rpg and mmo part. The fact that it is one of the best massive multiplayer massively playable online multiplayer mmo's indeed.
Where some would say "it's impossible to stay awake that long" I have several stories of having less than 5 hours of sleep for 5 days straight. And I don't mean 5 hours each night. I mean total. It's definitely possible. Would I ever do something like this? Probably not. I can respect the effort though because I was really early in getting Halo 5 Legendary Solo. Game was released on Tues, I had the achievement Friday morning. Could've had it Thurs night if I weren't brain dead from beating my head against a wall. That last bit of sleep really helped get me back into the fight. Props to him for pulling it off.
dont forget that in classic WoW, not only was mounts for high levels, they where bloody expensive for the level as well. and it's not physically impossible to stay awake for 3 days, there was a experiment on the matter lasting for 11 days, within 3 days all you will experience is severe degradation in coordination and gradual loss of your senses, it will also highly effect your mood making you swing drastically in between emotions. here is a article about the study: www.sciencealert.com/health-risks-death-from-sleep-deprivation
Naldoron yet he was still the first one, everyone else had access to the same information. it‘s like in professional cycling. The winner is always on steroids, but so is the rest of the field. hence he‘s still the best of them ;)
I was awake for 5 days straight to level up a warlock in WotLK for Raid. All i remember after the fifth day was that i slept through nearly 2 days before awakening thirsty and hungry as hell. I still slept through a whole day after a shower, some food, some water and 'other business'. I never did it again. I started kind of haluzinating after the fourth day. I raided with the Warlock and had fun though. I dont suggest doing something like that. I heard from people dying and it could have happened to me too i guess. I probably was just lucky. Stay crunchy.
He should try it on a 56k or dsl like it was in 2006. And see if he can truly beat the time and get a pc that runs the min required for classic not the op system we all have know days.
Now to all you speed leveling junkies out there!!! Imagine what you could do with "rested exp" and an army of warlocks taking care of all your travel needs. And someone feeding you mana pots. Jokerd was the first and gratz to him. But the competition for lowest /played hasnt even started yet.
And don't even mention lvl 60 kill squad following you 100 % of the time killing every single mob that you tag, i'm pretty sure someone could do it below 24 hours played by using every trick in the book (although some people might call that cheating but who cares)
andrejoss475 Nah its not cheating. The community aspect is an essential part of Classic WoW. Aslong as youre staying within the restrictions of the EULA anything goes.
Ever heard of instance solo sharing? Basicly a high lvl body pulls all the mobs in an instance, a low level tags them and leaves the group. The high lvl kills them, while the low level gets all the xp. This with rested xp and summons to the entrances would get the time really really quick
Staying awake that long is possible. I did it once. bad insomnia due to stress I was awake for just over 3 days before I went out. and Congrats to Jokerd. just started my WoW Classic. looking forward to it.
This video was a total fillout with pointless information, 1.he used blizzard, 2.used layering. Why didn't you go Depp into what zones? What mobs? Seriously you don't have to explain what wow Is because 99% of ppl here are interested in depth HOW HE DID IT..... we already play wow
He didn't even use layering until he was level 50 and he DID quest, so long as the quests were in the same area that he was aoe farming in and not too long of quests.
well at some point you have to decide, are you going for the worlds first level 60 or beat the 13 year old record the way it was made. Considering that way more people care about the world first, this was a smart decision.
Yeah mage AoE farming is nothing new. It's just in old WoW it's inefficient to do only that because mob respawn times, here he had layering to take advantage of.
I mean people knowing about him trying to break the record and continuously trying to fault his efforts wouldn't be normal either, It's something that should definitely be considered just like layering.
Because of layering, his record sadly doesnt mean much. Layering is a crazy advantage over what was possible back then. Having to wait for respawns would've made things much different.
@@syroxx3262 ehhhhhhhhh he exploited with the layering thing pretty hard. layering affects the gameplay so much i wouldnt even really say its the same as 2004-2007
@Veigar The Black Wizard It doesn't matter, any slight difference in mechanics can invalidate a run, sure his run is completely legit for CLASSIC, but this can't directly compete agaisnt a vanilla run because this run uses mechanics that were unavailable in the other version. Also what you're saying is really dumb, do you think it matters if he only did it for a few hours or seconds? If he did it then it's already not qualified as a vanilla run.
There's a few things that make it not possible to compare this to the original launch of vanilla WoW. The layering is the obvious one, as that didn't exist back then and he used it to bypass mob respawn timers, secondly all the ingame files and class balancing is based on... i believe... the 1.12 patch of vanilla, not the launch one. All said though jokerd did an amazing job and had such a good natured reaction when he went to delete the character and fans held him hostage with ingame fanmail preventing deletion
Joker not only got first 60 on classic but with that first to 60 by using layers. For actual speedrunning after phase 1 shit will be different if people are gonna try for playtime records
People accusing him of account-sharing because of him "not physically being able to stay awake for that long" are absolute weaklings... I was awake, drunk, playing and partying for 72h during a dreamhack plenty of years ago, so if some random meathead like me can do that without dying.. Come on millennials, shape up.
Record shouldn't be classed as broken layering wasnt present in vanilla so it does not hold up to Joanna's record jokerd has the fastest classic time but Joanna holds the legend spot always
For the record, the World First 60 original and Classic WF 60 are 2 different Records, I state this on the fact that from the old record to the new one there is a HUGE difference between Game knowledge known after the fact for Classic world first and the original. The Original World First Title still Holds due to it was a fresh slate with 0% prior knowledge and data mined information like Classic. In the end i respect both records for what they are, and who earned them.
"have you ever tried to stay awake for 24 hrs playing a game?" Yeah, when iRO came out my mates and I used to go to Brisbane for a 24hr lock in gaming session every week. And when I was 18 I stayed awake for 2 days straight playing FF8. Not saying I was fully conscious the whole time...but I was awake.
It does but for the separate category WoW Classic. Joana will always be the fastest in Vanilla, but Vanilla and Classic are different. So much like an original hardware arcade speed run has a separate category from an emulated one, it counts but it’s a different category.
"staying awake for 24h is extremelly hard"..... Im watching this after a 24h service at work, while having snacks, and after having spent 4 hours gaming in the afternoon, and im not even sleepy...
@@SianaGearz Alkaizer was streaming with a cam and he did about 40 hours straight then slept 4 hours then 20 more hours, it's not like everyone else that was pushing that hard was sleeping more than him even.
@@musicaddicted777 Yeah when i was young and we'd do drawn out competitions (closest similar thing you might have heard about would be game jams, where you have to create something quickly with a team within a couple days), going almost 4 days with maybe 10 hours of sleep between them was extremely taxing but doable. If it wasn't hard, it wouldn't be a competition.
The 2019 speed run to 60 doesnt count becasue the game had layering. You could kill mobs, then be transfered to a different layer where those mobs would be back alive again, then kill them again and so on and so on. For example. I was doing a quest to collect 6 crocolisk skins in wetlands. I would kill the 10 or so that were there and get maybe 2 skins, then i would have to wait 5min or so for them to re spawn. Kill, get 2 more skins, then wait 5min more to get the last 2 skins. All up the quests might have taken me 20 - 25min. BUT i found out about layering. So i kill the mobs, then ask to be invited to a party from on of my guild mates. He invites me and i get transferred to a different layer. All the crocolisks instantly appear and i can kill, transfer layer again and kill again. This cuts down the time to complete the quest from 20 - 25 min to about 10 min flat. Imagine that process across hundreds of quests and mobs. You would save hours of time.
Oh that's so sad I thought it was actually a legit record but he's exploiting the load balancing feature to respawn mob packs that's very disappointing.
The second biggest problem with this run is it was done at launch. By leveling faster than the curve he was the only one with access to high level areas thus had no competition. You can't do that on a server now. The biggest is involving a second player in the run to assist. By doing so, the run would not count for a max level speedrun.
No, he did not break the record. He did however set a new record for fastest level 1-60 for classic wow. The layering mechanic simply being in the game is as same as playing a game with cheat codes vs vanilla
Gotta agree here. The very fact that layering exists means the record can´t be compared to the one 13 years ago. I mean he still got World First, just that it did not break any records. You could say he set the record to break, for Classic WoW.
I agree that he invalidated his time by hopping layers. For it to have been a fair competition against Joana's record, he would have had to limit himself to the mechanics Joana had available at that time. It really seems like he could have beaten the record just fine without hopping, but that's a separate matter, of course.
@@Chair991 The thing is the instant respawning of every mob around you especially if its large packs and he is basicly doing the Tag and kite to death as a mage it saves him alot and i mean ALOT of time by just getting invited into a group by a friend he then gets to kill all the mobs again leaves group gets into old phase where again all mobs are that way he doesnt have to wait for spawn wich gives him time someone in "real" vanilla not had. ^^
@O K If you understood the difference between Vanilla and Classic, you wouldnt be so clueless ;) if you are able to press a button to get mobs to instantly respawn how could you not beat the record for a game that you cant? Are you that foolish to not understand such a simple concept? LOL
Vanilla is a state of time, the record can never be broken. This is the Classic record that utilized layer hopping when things didn't go his way. Yeah, sure, it was impressive nonetheless, but the fact remains he did layer hop, and I wonder if he would still be the first to 60 if layering wasn't a thing. Try doing what he did now, you will never find a free spot to farm.
im confused... back in the day the fastest way to level for a mage at one point was fighting elites that had no range in an instance that no one could interfere with... same blizzard mechanic essentially by the time you killed the elites in an area they would respawn in the dungeon, and you would just rinse repeat... thought it was around lvl 40 to like 55 getting like 1 level an hour
"i dont know if youve ever tried to stay awake for 24 hours" bro i did it the other week without even trying and im on enough quetiapine to make a grown human sleep for 17 hours straight. the hard part is actually getting stuff done in that time
This isn't breaking an old record, cause this is not the exact same game. There are different bugs, exploit, mechanics, fixes, patches, content, and so on. It isn't the same WoW 13 years ago. He set a NEW record, but didn't break the old. As soon as the new expansion came out, the old record from 13 years ago was set in stone and could never be challenged again. --- Abusing the Layering System? Yes, that does invalidate his run, cause he's using an exploit that people are not meant to use, which is a byproduct that Blizzard can't get around. The Layering System is meant to fix Server Stress and Lag, not to be used to exploit Mob Spawns. He's breaking the game in a way it's not meant to be played. It's not like In Metroid where the Devs didn't place a barrior or checked their physics so people were sequence breaking. The physics and placements were EXACTLY how the Devs set them. This, this would be like jumping on the right pixel, which broke the code of the game and placed you right at the end boss, Dark Souls 1 glitching style, which is NOT how the game was intended to be played, and thus not Valid. A Speed Run is to get from the beginning of the game to the end. But when cheaters and hackers and glitches came it, it changed. It's getting from the beginning of the game to the end, just like a normal player would. Without Glitches, without breaking the game or code, without cheating. Exploiting a system by the Dev normally would be allowed, but with Layering, it was never intended to be used to farm Mobs, it was meant to have you be on the same layer as your friend to play together and quest together. So you would party right next to each other or meet up, then quest together, now on 1 layer and never leaving. You aren't meant to kill mobs, join and party to switch layers, leave and kill the mods, then party again to join another new layer and exploit. It's a byproduct, but one that can't fundamentally be protected or changed, as the only way to remove the 'exploit' is to remove Layering all together. They are exploiting and breaking the game's balance and system to farther their own experience. I would even go so far as to say that Blizzard should ban his account over this exploit.
It took me 4-5 days to hit 60 in vanilla 20hours a day with a rogue, since questing was close to non-existant back then the only way was to grind grind grind. I got whispers from people thinking I was a chinese farmer. Good times. As someone stated previously, the record stands. This might be vanilla, but the factors around there is no vanilla about.
@@codytownsend3259 Impressive, yes. First on Classic, yes. But as for speedrunning it's a different category. It's common for speed run games to have multiple categories for how the game was beat, speed running in WoW has been the same with different patches and expansions. This won't, and shouldn't be any different. It's still a bad ass accomplishment.
Not taking away from JokerD, absolute animal. But, he used layering which is Classic exclusive. I wouldn’t say he broke the original record, but SET the “Classic” record.
Joker NEVER had his cam on during leveling and wasnt always talking. where as before and after level 60 he was doing a lot of both. and he doesnt look like a meth addict so he 1000000% wasnt the only one leveling that toon.
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How fitting that the most op spell is literally Blizzard.
There's another one called Gaben that drains other people's gold.
If i had a game studio called Fireball I would have the best spell be a fireball-based spell
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"World of Warcraft is a Massively Multiplayer Massively Multiplayer Online" - vaulty
stream snipers couldn't kill him because "how do you kill that, which has no life?"
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I'd say he got World Record on Classic but using layering means he did not break the World Record of Vanilla imo. Can't compare one to the other if one can use different mechanics and rules.
nobody can break the record of vanilla. vanilla can never be recreated. classic is a different game.
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Pretty much. It'd be like saying someone who broke the rack pull record also beat the world record on deadlift. Same motion sure, but a rack pull starts off of the ground already, and a deadlift you gotta pull it from the ground up. Just dosen't count if it isn't the exact same. But he obviously does clearly hold the classic wow record for now
So if he plays on private servers with the "vanilla" patch it dosent count because its not "officially blizzard" and he cant get it on the official classic rerelease because its not the same? Id say his times in private servers should be valid for vanilla runs and his classic time should be valid for classic speedruns.
@@KolossusB why are you using a gym analogy amongst a group of nerds that have never lifted weights ever in their entire lives.......
If you think staying awake for 24 hours is hard, then I have only one question for you... have you ever even played WoW properly?
Or smoked a pipe.
One person can't be considered "gamer" if he didnt play 25 consecutive hours 😂😂,oldschool usually players didnt sleep in 2 days ranking up lvl or searching for be the n1 in driving games
Jokerd slept every night thanks to layering he just phased to kill mobs
I had to stay up 46 hours once because of imsomnia. 72 hours wouldn't be that hard if I tried.
its fact that he was account sharing with his brother :) when he was sleeping his bro kept leveling
Method” is a professional raiding guild in the popular MMORPG “World of Warcraft”. Under the guidance of guild master Scott “Sco” McMillan the guild has come to be revered by many as the most accomplished guild of all time with several noteworthy achievements under its belt such as multiple world firsts, high ranking PvP teams and losing the Classic 60 race to a bald Maltese gnome.
The vanilla record remains, this is the record for classic. The layering trick was not in vanilla.
Even so props to him, im only level 11 lol.
As well as a much more reliable and stable engine that Classic is running on. Mages couldn't aoe kite reliably every pull in Vanilla. They had to constantly worry about mobs lagging out, warping on them and insta-killing them.
He didn't exploit layering though, only for the last two levels to show how broken it was and that it needed to be fixed...
I wouldn't even call it an exploit. He's using included game mechanics to his advantage in a smart way.
This whole thing having been done on a totally different engine and era though doesn't break the vanilla record. It sets one for Classic which in it's own is impressive.
@Lars Norberg "bug" as this is an intended mechanic it is not a bug therefore not bannable
@Dr Boom good point. Also he got stream sniped a lot and he only used the layer mechanic when he learned about it at lvl 57. Though I would think there would be different speed run categories for different classes. Where mages would have one and hunters another ect.
Can you decide whether Joana is a He or a She in the script plz and thank you
Joanna is a guy.. how do I know? It's a world record. The end.
joanna is a guy. he speaks during his streams.
Pronounced Joe-nuh
Doesnt matter
It's a he... Speaks on his stream
You forgot to mentiom that after he hit 60 with 350k ppl watching he hosted Method ahhaahhahaha what a legend
Kristijan Lanović wahaha that’s adding salt to injury lol
Be more impressive if layering wasn't exploited. Classic is a far different game than Vanilla. New records. Vanilla can't be touched.
@clicking on trees yea hahahah
@@Kynanthys be more impressove if tyou actually had something to say rather than just unnecessarily bitching about a game mechanic every1 'abuses' and stroking that nostalgia shlong just a little bit harder than ppl playing atm
Don't forget he deletes his 60 right away too. But people sent mail to prevent him.
Vanilla had no layering, different client, different patch. This old record stands forever.
100% agreed
Totally agree, 1.13 has retail elements that weren't in classic. hunter, for example, can not feign and drink/lay trap like you could in classic. The second you commit to any action while in a group or your pet is attacking you are instantly in combat and are unable to do so.
I am 100% confident that he could have done an almost identical run back in vanilla. No layering? Yeah, but also no raids of 30 sperglords rushing him at all times, and zones packed full of hundreds of players. Vanilla was a ghost town compared to classic.
I agree.
Doesn´t really matter at all. If this was the exact same patch, he would be way faster than the old record for sure. He had a high xp p/hour strategy, which was way above the old one. Layering and Trolls where playing around each other, he lost a good amount of time getting streamsniped. And he got a lot of time by layering. Even more than by snipers, but anyway. He would have beaten this record by miles without a doubt
" a massive multiplayer mmo"
Rest in RIP i guess.
RIP in peace
FTFY
World of Wow is a massively multiplayer MMO. Rip in piece
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Haha lol
I've never seen someone drag out a video for so long just to get 10 minutes on it
@Jack _ time is money friend
Gotta ping that algo hehe.
But it was ann all around solid video with good info
every vaulty video is clickbait or bullshit. He's a clicking idiot who couldent kill a turtle mob because its spinning was "op and impossible to kill" Unfortunatly my youtube blocker which blocks this idiots videos stopped working due to a reformat but im gonna fix that now
I watch all his videos on 1.5x speed
I know I am losing more respect for him each video, he recently did a good job by showing what the end of the map is and it is an original idea and video but this video made me lose even more respect for him, if he keeps this up I am gonna unsub. I have no doubt others have too.
One of the best massive multiplayer massively online multiplayer mmo's indeed
nice
Honestly retail isnt a RPG, and perhaps not as massive as 40raids either, but truth. Gotta love Vanilla. :)
Yeah I agree, the best massively playable online multiplayer massive mmo to play with a lot of player in a massively multiplayer way in a massive mmorpg world. The part I like the most is the rpg and mmo part. The fact that it is one of the best massive multiplayer massively playable online multiplayer mmo's indeed.
XD
Ultima Online was better with WoW being a close 2nd the only issue was UO came out before internet and computers where a main stay in almost every ones home
"Staying awake 24 hours is pretty dificult" "Cant stay awake that long (3 days) playing the game" - Laughs in Chronic Insomniac.
Why does everyone with insomnia tell everyone that they don't sleep? No one gives a shit, take some medication and go to sleep.
@@OhNikk I don't understand the point of this comment.
@@OhNikk I've tried that once. I still couldn't sleep.
@@OhNikk It's because they're the vegans of online gaming.
@@SwedishBroManDude you going to dreamhack montreal?
Not to take anything away from Jokerd(fixed), but Classic and Vanilla are two different games meta wise.
P.S. Joana is a guy.
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@@IllidanS4 still a dude, just because in your head you think something it doesn't change nature
@@IllidanS4 trans - what the fuck are you on? :'D
what's the difference?
Dr Boom
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I would say Joana has the Vanilla record and Jokerd has the Classic record, its not the same due to layering etc. They are both still impressive tho and i would not be surprised if jokerd was able to beat joanas method with the same conditions seeing as his new record was so much faster. Or at least come close.
The fact that he did that on a pvp realm while streaming makes this achievement even more badass.
Someone stream sniped him at level 59 on stream while he was mid combat, he killed the ganker and the mobs
Yep, I have to agree with you on that Azgoon69, even with those that was trying to stop him from doing it.
If it wasn't on a pvp realm it wouldn't count it would need double ** then
Not rly. Once you are ahead a few levels nobody can gank you and the early routes are well separated. A group of people tried when he was like 55, but because of layers he just joined a different party, and all the enemies was gone.
Not to shit on his record in WoW Classic, but the record does not compare to the hunter's. Just the layering mechanic alone makes it unlike how Vanilla truly was, furthermore, no one had a clue how to play back then, now you've had time to plan WAY in advance and probably got help from friends along the way. Her record will never be broken, because, as far as retail WoW goes, it's not coming back in its 100% original form. Huge accomplishment, nonetheless. Mages, ho!
100% agree. Cant compare the two.
It's a dude kek
@@Ehxx HE looks like a bitch.... Typical EU muppet, weak, scrawny and no life.
True its totally different even the states different classic almost x2 health than vanilla
He only did the layering after lvl58 tho
I never streamed, but I have stayed awake 24 hours plus playing WoW and other games.
Real men stay awake for 48 hours
Some people dont work do they
@@cerberus8462 Somepeople had too much free time on highschool.
I didnt stream it, but i reach 60 1 hour before him.
Mistwalker Wabalubdub real men have jobs
It is definetly not compareable to the retail wow records back then. The respawn times in classic are much higher in some instances.
Your title is wrong. He didn't not break the record. Because he used layering. Layering was not in Vanilla WoW. He set the record for Classic. Sure. But he didn't break the old record. The old record will never be broken.
Even the states is diffrent
True enough.
Vanilla WoW =/= Classic WoW
Seriously feels like you're repeating yourself like 10 times in this video.
first words, "World of warcraft" i skip 10 seconds, "world of warcraft", skip another 10 seconds, "world of warcraft" lmaoooooo
Loool man you made my day actually had to try it :D
damn, i replay the video to recognize it damn funny
Joker did share his accound with his brother (On a same computer so it's not illegal) so no new record there. That character is fastest to lvl 60 yes but with layering it wont fit in the same catecory with original joanna's speedrun!
Unfortunately the spawn rates were increased and the layering changed the speed at which one could level, thus making this an exclusive Classic record and not comparable to vanilla.
he only did that for the last two levels..
If I remember correctly The last 2 levels 58-60 took the longest, as there wasn’t enough quests.
@@anderfu8273 ? He didn't quest anyway 😂 what are you talking about?
@@SB-nh7uv Okay, so it was *"only"* for the most difficult part, where it would make the biggest difference ...
It doesn't matter that HE didn't quest, the point is those levels take the longest for everyone. So if he "only" took advantage of those loopholes during the part where everybody was struggling, that's an even bigger advantage than if he did it in a level range where people had a better chance of keeping up.
I mean don't get me wrong, I'm not gonna sit here and say he cheated or anything like that. He figured out how things work and used it to his advantage, fair play to him. He legitimately got the record for Classic WoW, not gonna argue with that, but I don't agree that that's the same thing as breaking the record for Vanilla.
@@jameshill2450 I watched him live. He was way ahead of everyone. All the other player abused the mechanic. He only used it from 58 to 60. He played legit in the beginning.
Your title is wrong. It wasn't broken.
Classic is not vanilla. There are so many differences. It is its own record.
oh shut up jesus christ
@@madaneoulix1312 hes right tho but clickbait and horrible contemporary society
@@madaneoulix1312 Joker abused a new feature, it wasn't a legit run take your own advice. Piss off.
@@DaladendDarrowmere it is not a "NEW" feature you dumb twat muffin. it was in game for 1 week other wise no one would lvl it is already out of the game it was only there for launch.. no one gave a shit about vanillas initial release the first week like classic pulled in for player numbers.
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"For all intensive purposes"
Why do you do this
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2:00 - 40%? Aspect of Cheetah? Gentlemen, we’ve got an experienced player here.
I can appreciate your use of technicality, but you're really gonna nit-pick 4%?
@@omniscientbeing4224 of course. I don't understand what's the matter with nit-picking here, 30% - 40%, you know, 10% is a huge difference xD
Well you can get 36% which is closer to 40 than 30, so he's more right than you are
No, you can't break the Vanilla record because this one's Classic's
Aspect of cheetah is 30% (36% with talents) not 40%.
Right? How you gonna fuck that up. That's such a huge difference about druids and shamans from hunters
yeah yeah okay nerds
No it was not broken. The record would have been broken if there were same conditions. World first in Vanilla is something different than world first in Classic imho.
Yes absolutely, this layering makes a huge difference. You could compare it to a racing car, in vanilla you had only one set of tires whereas in classic you have an unlimited amount of tires.
@@jopewot7859 This analogy is so fucking dumb. Do you think the speed record of a car is invalidated because the previous record used a older version of an engine? Circumstances change, new technology and tactics are used to achieve better times. Jokerd's run is completely legitimate for a vanilla speedrun. If you disagree you should ask yourself: why didn't Joana make use of the same tactic?
Yeah it is, anybody that cares knows they are different, this video was well made with the clickbait title and topic to push dialogue, I can't blame him.
'I'm just gonna teleport to the pitstop, wow what a fast lap time'
@@leonard973 It's not legitimate. There was no layering in Vanilla. This gave JokerD such a huge advantage. It's apples to oranges.
Jokerd. If he did this without adderall, methamphetamine, or cocaine, I’ll be impressed
2 cases of Monster Zero Ultra like a true 30 year old boomer
why would he tho
minmaxed everything ingame, surely minmaxed everything irl too
@@danlorett2184 I don't think you know what a boomer is...
@@godlygamer911 when people say "boomer" they mean by mentality not age
@@danlorett2184 Doomer*
Also wait.... he took advantage of the layering...avoiding the respawn timers of mobs by having people invite him...That is straight up exploiting XD
no, it is not exploiting because he is using a legit mechanic that Blizzard put in to the game on purpose..
Not an exploit if it is a simple game mechanic..
It is not like it is difficult to replicate..
@@nom6758 WTF has downs syndrome got to do with it?
@@FranzbroetchenGaming Exploiting a bug or mechanic to get an advantage over other players is indeed Exploiting.
He only did it the last few levels probably saved 3 hours. I was watching when he was waiting a few minutes for mob respawns.
classic is a nerfed version of real vanilla, joannas world record remains unbroken.
Jokerd's record needs to have an asterisk by it due to the layering in WoW Classic vs no layering original release WoW.
Also another note. An oceanic player named Leshraque was comming first for a long time
but then his server crashed (all the oceanic servers crashed) and didn't come back up for 7 hours, then they weren't stable after that. OCE has had many crashes since launch.
Because of layering the "vanilla" leveling record wasn't broken. This is just a fast time to beat now in "Classic" wow.
Yup. Don't get me wrong its impressive, but its not really breaking the old records.
He started to use und layering with 58, because he got ganked a lot.
@@maxweing9843 incorrect.
@@maxweing9843 but even if you were correct still using a mechanic that wasn't in vanilla = different record. So my original comment is still correct.
Plus let's not forget he got to practice on private servers and had access to all information on vanilla that other players gathered themselves.... So in regards to beating the old vanilla record.... It isn't possible.
He is "classic" world first to 60. And he set a good time.
But others have a chance to beat his time still if they care to do so. But after layering is removed I doubt anyone, himself included, will beat his time.
@@jond5939 mh staying lvl 10 for like 0,5h. have to queue for up to 3hours. all this stuff didnt happen in joanna runs. its beaten, deal with it. even joana himself gratz this guy.
Aspect of the Cheetah actually only provides a 30% buff until you talent into Pathfinder which gives 4% bonus per point, with a max of 2 points. Maxing out at 38% speed sometime in the 30s in the Beast Mastery tree.
I was reading through to see if anyone had commented on this ;D Thanks! ;)
@@JohanLindhe tbh man I barely remember making this comment. I got really into my Classic Hunter lol.
You know Joana is a dude, right? You keep calling him a her.
Can you blame him?
He also said aspect of the cheetah is 40% run speed when it has always been 30%... video is literally unwatchable.
@@roflrofl1234rofl 36% with talent but yes
It's ma'am.
@@Buiscit1738 _It iS mA'aM_
Yea well I broke A record on classic 3 weeks into the launch of the game on A arcane mage by the name of Deshire level 60 . Did molten core raid in all blue gear except for A green ring that gave me spell power killed ragnaros with the use of 2 serium bombs 1 wipe only reason the raid team wiped was because other players would not stand where i told them to stand . So that raid earned me legendary status on classic wow
Hell yeah bro. That's literally what me and my bro are trying to do hahaha. I finally returned to wow this past week and I can't stop grinding.
I have been Playing WORLD of WARCRAFT since early cata as an arcane mage by the name manemage ' back then everything was still in use .the talent trees an you still had to learn all spells from a trainer . weapon skills were op as you had to level them up and you had to continiously remove curses off of you I loved it when we were finally able to kill deathwing and clear dragon soul.
It is the best massively playable online multiplayer massive mmo to play with a lot of player in a massively multiplayer way in a massive mmorpg world. The part I like the most is the rpg and mmo part. The fact that it is one of the best massive multiplayer massively playable online multiplayer mmo's indeed.
LMFAOOOOO
Miki Troy still laughing 6 days later
i remember Joana and the lvling guides the person made. she did it in 420 what a legend
I'm so glad he beat method. Bunch of pricks think they own the game, constantly throwing their weight around like they control blizzard.
But that's just what you think
@@ManisonQT Yup. 100% correct.
@@theragie0986 even tho an officer like roger brown jumped from his chair, yelled, clapped and hugged others once jokerd hit 60?
Where some would say "it's impossible to stay awake that long" I have several stories of having less than 5 hours of sleep for 5 days straight. And I don't mean 5 hours each night. I mean total. It's definitely possible. Would I ever do something like this? Probably not. I can respect the effort though because I was really early in getting Halo 5 Legendary Solo. Game was released on Tues, I had the achievement Friday morning. Could've had it Thurs night if I weren't brain dead from beating my head against a wall. That last bit of sleep really helped get me back into the fight. Props to him for pulling it off.
WoW Classic isn't WoW Vanilla... The Layering and mob respawn time make the first easy than Vanilla...
Basically entirely different games as far as how it easy it is to do now as compared to back then.
its also different because there are FAR more people on every server than it ever was in vanilla. It simply had to be implemented.
Was still easy af back then lol. People mistake inconvenience for difficulty.
"wowld of wawcawft"
Loved the video but it is "intents and purposes" not "intensive purposes".
**purpose intensifies**
Comments like yours are a diamond dozen.
@Johnny Nemo
Yeah, the comment section is a doggy dog world.
dont forget that in classic WoW, not only was mounts for high levels, they where bloody expensive for the level as well.
and it's not physically impossible to stay awake for 3 days, there was a experiment on the matter lasting for 11 days, within 3 days all you will experience is severe degradation in coordination and gradual loss of your senses, it will also highly effect your mood making you swing drastically in between emotions.
here is a article about the study:
www.sciencealert.com/health-risks-death-from-sleep-deprivation
Nah, man. Having infinite handicaps, as well as all info and guides you could ever need, make it so much simpler.
Naldoron yet he was still the first one, everyone else had access to the same information. it‘s like in professional cycling. The winner is always on steroids, but so is the rest of the field. hence he‘s still the best of them ;)
@@LeXx0r Yea but you dont compare a 2019 cyclist to a cyclist from 1950.
I was awake for 5 days straight to level up a warlock in WotLK for Raid. All i remember after the fifth day was that i slept through nearly 2 days before awakening thirsty and hungry as hell. I still slept through a whole day after a shower, some food, some water and 'other business'. I never did it again. I started kind of haluzinating after the fourth day.
I raided with the Warlock and had fun though.
I dont suggest doing something like that. I heard from people dying and it could have happened to me too i guess. I probably was just lucky.
Stay crunchy.
I wander what his time would be if no layering
I read someone in the chat making the maths, it was 3ish more hours the guys has breaked the record with or without layering.
@@shesh_o joanas record was done in 1.9 and this is some fishi version of 1.12
joker and kandy was streaming today and joker told stuff and his face told it all clips.twitch.tv/ShyPiercingSkirretNotLikeThis
He should try it on a 56k or dsl like it was in 2006. And see if he can truly beat the time and get a pc that runs the min required for classic not the op system we all have know days.
He was only using layering for the last 2 levels... he saved like 1-2 hrs of time and he was 10hrs ahead of everyone so world 1st anyway
Now to all you speed leveling junkies out there!!!
Imagine what you could do with "rested exp" and an army of warlocks taking care of all your travel needs.
And someone feeding you mana pots.
Jokerd was the first and gratz to him. But the competition for lowest /played hasnt even started yet.
And don't even mention lvl 60 kill squad following you 100 % of the time killing every single mob that you tag, i'm pretty sure someone could do it below 24 hours played by using every trick in the book
(although some people might call that cheating but who cares)
andrejoss475 Nah its not cheating. The community aspect is an essential part of Classic WoW. Aslong as youre staying within the restrictions of the EULA anything goes.
@@irtehdar2446 true
Ever heard of instance solo sharing? Basicly a high lvl body pulls all the mobs in an instance, a low level tags them and leaves the group. The high lvl kills them, while the low level gets all the xp.
This with rested xp and summons to the entrances would get the time really really quick
Am i only one who noticed that he basically said at the beggining "wow is massive multiplayer massive multiplayer on-line"?
“World of Warcraft is a massively multiplayer massive multiplayer online”
Everyone talks about layering hopping, but also Classic has dynamic respawns so spawns were crazy fast in some places.
Lol his record doesn't count because layering wasn't a thing when Joanna did it so joanna record still holds.
Staying awake that long is possible. I did it once. bad insomnia due to stress I was awake for just over 3 days before I went out. and Congrats to Jokerd. just started my WoW Classic. looking forward to it.
Well, he didn't beat the record, because there are different mechanics in play that he INTENTIONALLY abused to achieve this.
"there is no evidence that he account shared"
except for the human need for sleep part
This video was a total fillout with pointless information, 1.he used blizzard, 2.used layering. Why didn't you go Depp into what zones? What mobs? Seriously you don't have to explain what wow Is because 99% of ppl here are interested in depth HOW HE DID IT..... we already play wow
He didn't even use layering until he was level 50 and he DID quest, so long as the quests were in the same area that he was aoe farming in and not too long of quests.
@@TheElitedeath so even more of a bullshit click for views fillout time for ads video
when a speedrun really becomes an speedrun using speed to stay awake & sharp for over 24 hrs its possible
Breaking a record by abusing a mechanic that didn’t exist when the original record was set.....meh
so not really breaking an old record at all just setting a different record on wow classic instead of wow original
grant moore I agree. Classic and vanilla are very close but there are differences. It’s not a 1to1
well at some point you have to decide, are you going for the worlds first level 60 or beat the 13 year old record the way it was made. Considering that way more people care about the world first, this was a smart decision.
he beat the record by a day and a half, dont you think even without layering he still would have beaten joana?
@@tree4104 Nah, mobs take so long to respawn + servers were full and I'm not sure he could have played any longer without sleeping.
I was watching when he got 60, I found out about it in his last 2 levels and I watched him finish up, it was glorious.
fuck yeah! wish I coulda been there
I expected a "secret" trick here, lol. But it's just pulling mobs and instance switching.. That's how you level in mmorpgs :D
No webcam so account sharing also
@@stylesheetra9411 Stfu u virgin.
Yeah mage AoE farming is nothing new. It's just in old WoW it's inefficient to do only that because mob respawn times, here he had layering to take advantage of.
CogniVision he only used layering from 58-60 to avoid stream snipers.. he said layering only saved like like a couple of hours
0:37 He just says the same thing twice.. Lol great narration
I would say that his run is invalid due to playing with the layers.
I mean people knowing about him trying to break the record and continuously trying to fault his efforts wouldn't be normal either, It's something that should definitely be considered just like layering.
Because of layering, his record sadly doesnt mean much. Layering is a crazy advantage over what was possible back then. Having to wait for respawns would've made things much different.
He didnt beat a vanilla record, he just set one in classic :)
He did wtf. It´s the same game and he only used layering in last 2 hours. If say anything else u dont know hows speedrunning works.
@@syroxx3262 ehhhhhhhhh he exploited with the layering thing pretty hard. layering affects the gameplay so much i wouldnt even really say its the same as 2004-2007
@Veigar The Black Wizard expl0ited
@Veigar The Black Wizard It doesn't matter, any slight difference in mechanics can invalidate a run, sure his run is completely legit for CLASSIC, but this can't directly compete agaisnt a vanilla run because this run uses mechanics that were unavailable in the other version. Also what you're saying is really dumb, do you think it matters if he only did it for a few hours or seconds? If he did it then it's already not qualified as a vanilla run.
There's a few things that make it not possible to compare this to the original launch of vanilla WoW. The layering is the obvious one, as that didn't exist back then and he used it to bypass mob respawn timers, secondly all the ingame files and class balancing is based on... i believe... the 1.12 patch of vanilla, not the launch one. All said though jokerd did an amazing job and had such a good natured reaction when he went to delete the character and fans held him hostage with ingame fanmail preventing deletion
Joker not only got first 60 on classic but with that first to 60 by using layers. For actual speedrunning after phase 1 shit will be different if people are gonna try for playtime records
He started to use layering with 58, so u can Imagine that the impact for his WR is not that significant.
He used it in last 2-4 hours of the stream so the recod would be 2-4 hours longer XD
People accusing him of account-sharing because of him "not physically being able to stay awake for that long" are absolute weaklings...
I was awake, drunk, playing and partying for 72h during a dreamhack plenty of years ago, so if some random meathead like me can do that without dying.. Come on millennials, shape up.
Record shouldn't be classed as broken layering wasnt present in vanilla so it does not hold up to Joanna's record jokerd has the fastest classic time but Joanna holds the legend spot always
For the record, the World First 60 original and Classic WF 60 are 2 different Records, I state this on the fact that from the old record to the new one there is a HUGE difference between Game knowledge known after the fact for Classic world first and the original.
The Original World First Title still Holds due to it was a fresh slate with 0% prior knowledge and data mined information like Classic.
In the end i respect both records for what they are, and who earned them.
Make a video for WoW players...
"I don't know if any of you have tried staying up for 24 hours"
kek.
"have you ever tried to stay awake for 24 hrs playing a game?"
Yeah, when iRO came out my mates and I used to go to Brisbane for a 24hr lock in gaming session every week.
And when I was 18 I stayed awake for 2 days straight playing FF8. Not saying I was fully conscious the whole time...but I was awake.
Wait Method did try to get the Level 60 world first? I thought they were only producing the stream not actually competing.
They weren't competing. Just covering. Just another fad youtuber trying to quickly punch out a video without properly fact checking beforehand.
Gnomes were far more superior and also got onyxia and rag world first. Proving all the haters wrong.
I hope JokerD level another mage again after removing the layering. and see if this beats Joanna's record. then thats more comparative.
Didn't he also abuse the layering system? So does his win really count?
It doesn't, this is just clickbait.
It does but for the separate category WoW Classic. Joana will always be the fastest in Vanilla, but Vanilla and Classic are different.
So much like an original hardware arcade speed run has a separate category from an emulated one, it counts but it’s a different category.
@@mccoyrj452 I wouldnt imagine this falls under the same catagory as solo play -> 60, since all he did was layer for aoe farming.
@@Emil_PMT did you not watch the video? he talks about this.....???
@@laxxboy20 No i stopped after he looped for the third time
"staying awake for 24h is extremelly hard".....
Im watching this after a 24h service at work, while having snacks, and after having spent 4 hours gaming in the afternoon, and im not even sleepy...
still awake?
Guy stays up for 24 hours. Gamers: BUT THATS PHYSICLY IMPOSSIBLE!
lmao
His total time was about 80 hours with about 10 hours of sleep among them. That's pretty borderline.
@@SianaGearz Alkaizer was streaming with a cam and he did about 40 hours straight then slept 4 hours then 20 more hours, it's not like everyone else that was pushing that hard was sleeping more than him even.
@@musicaddicted777 Yeah when i was young and we'd do drawn out competitions (closest similar thing you might have heard about would be game jams, where you have to create something quickly with a team within a couple days), going almost 4 days with maybe 10 hours of sleep between them was extremely taxing but doable. If it wasn't hard, it wouldn't be a competition.
Do people know meth and speed exist? Tweakers be staying up for days all the time.
The 2019 speed run to 60 doesnt count becasue the game had layering. You could kill mobs, then be transfered to a different layer where those mobs would be back alive again, then kill them again and so on and so on.
For example. I was doing a quest to collect 6 crocolisk skins in wetlands. I would kill the 10 or so that were there and get maybe 2 skins, then i would have to wait 5min or so for them to re spawn. Kill, get 2 more skins, then wait 5min more to get the last 2 skins.
All up the quests might have taken me 20 - 25min.
BUT i found out about layering. So i kill the mobs, then ask to be invited to a party from on of my guild mates. He invites me and i get transferred to a different layer. All the crocolisks instantly appear and i can kill, transfer layer again and kill again.
This cuts down the time to complete the quest from 20 - 25 min to about 10 min flat.
Imagine that process across hundreds of quests and mobs. You would save hours of time.
Oh that's so sad I thought it was actually a legit record but he's exploiting the load balancing feature to respawn mob packs that's very disappointing.
yeah he did that for the last 3 levels only and it is not exploiting when Blizzard had put the mechanic in to the game on purpose..
The second biggest problem with this run is it was done at launch. By leveling faster than the curve he was the only one with access to high level areas thus had no competition. You can't do that on a server now.
The biggest is involving a second player in the run to assist. By doing so, the run would not count for a max level speedrun.
No, he did not break the record. He did however set a new record for fastest level 1-60 for classic wow. The layering mechanic simply being in the game is as same as playing a game with cheat codes vs vanilla
Gotta agree here. The very fact that layering exists means the record can´t be compared to the one 13 years ago. I mean he still got World First, just that it did not break any records. You could say he set the record to break, for Classic WoW.
@@marcelherzog3735 yep, that is 100% a title he can hold and be proud of
Yea theres really no comparison because of layering
Gilded Onyx layering has a cooldown. He beat it by so much that he still would of beat the old time
Can't really call it cheating when it's an in-game mechanic being used
I agree that he invalidated his time by hopping layers. For it to have been a fair competition against Joana's record, he would have had to limit himself to the mechanics Joana had available at that time. It really seems like he could have beaten the record just fine without hopping, but that's a separate matter, of course.
Because it has layering it doesnt broke the original record in my eyes
Why exactly? Do you think Joana got stream sniped back in vanilla...?
@@Chair991 The thing is the instant respawning of every mob around you especially if its large packs and he is basicly doing the Tag and kite to death as a mage it saves him alot and i mean ALOT of time by just getting invited into a group by a friend he then gets to kill all the mobs again leaves group gets into old phase where again all mobs are that way he doesnt have to wait for spawn wich gives him time someone in "real" vanilla not had. ^^
I don’t count Jokerd’s record as it includes layer hopping which is basically having instant respawns
@O K If you understood the difference between Vanilla and Classic, you wouldnt be so clueless ;) if you are able to press a button to get mobs to instantly respawn how could you not beat the record for a game that you cant? Are you that foolish to not understand such a simple concept? LOL
Vanilla is a state of time, the record can never be broken. This is the Classic record that utilized layer hopping when things didn't go his way. Yeah, sure, it was impressive nonetheless, but the fact remains he did layer hop, and I wonder if he would still be the first to 60 if layering wasn't a thing. Try doing what he did now, you will never find a free spot to farm.
Was he listening to Fever 105 and Flash FM during his streaming?
6:46 Fever 105
7:43 Flash FM
Meanwhile some chinese dude on a random server:
"Who's that? I hat level 60 a day before him..."
im confused... back in the day the fastest way to level for a mage at one point was fighting elites that had no range in an instance that no one could interfere with... same blizzard mechanic
essentially by the time you killed the elites in an area they would respawn in the dungeon, and you would just rinse repeat... thought it was around lvl 40 to like 55 getting like 1 level an hour
Didnt he abuse the layering like tons of other lvl 60s? 🤔
Yes, he did. Meaning he did not beat the record, because his strategy was significantly aided by cheating respawns.
Its not “cheating” its “abusing the weakness”
"i dont know if youve ever tried to stay awake for 24 hours" bro i did it the other week without even trying and im on enough quetiapine to make a grown human sleep for 17 hours straight. the hard part is actually getting stuff done in that time
This isn't breaking an old record, cause this is not the exact same game. There are different bugs, exploit, mechanics, fixes, patches, content, and so on. It isn't the same WoW 13 years ago. He set a NEW record, but didn't break the old. As soon as the new expansion came out, the old record from 13 years ago was set in stone and could never be challenged again.
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Abusing the Layering System? Yes, that does invalidate his run, cause he's using an exploit that people are not meant to use, which is a byproduct that Blizzard can't get around. The Layering System is meant to fix Server Stress and Lag, not to be used to exploit Mob Spawns. He's breaking the game in a way it's not meant to be played. It's not like In Metroid where the Devs didn't place a barrior or checked their physics so people were sequence breaking. The physics and placements were EXACTLY how the Devs set them. This, this would be like jumping on the right pixel, which broke the code of the game and placed you right at the end boss, Dark Souls 1 glitching style, which is NOT how the game was intended to be played, and thus not Valid.
A Speed Run is to get from the beginning of the game to the end. But when cheaters and hackers and glitches came it, it changed. It's getting from the beginning of the game to the end, just like a normal player would. Without Glitches, without breaking the game or code, without cheating. Exploiting a system by the Dev normally would be allowed, but with Layering, it was never intended to be used to farm Mobs, it was meant to have you be on the same layer as your friend to play together and quest together.
So you would party right next to each other or meet up, then quest together, now on 1 layer and never leaving. You aren't meant to kill mobs, join and party to switch layers, leave and kill the mods, then party again to join another new layer and exploit. It's a byproduct, but one that can't fundamentally be protected or changed, as the only way to remove the 'exploit' is to remove Layering all together.
They are exploiting and breaking the game's balance and system to farther their own experience. I would even go so far as to say that Blizzard should ban his account over this exploit.
It took me 4-5 days to hit 60 in vanilla 20hours a day with a rogue, since questing was close to non-existant back then the only way was to grind grind grind. I got whispers from people thinking I was a chinese farmer. Good times.
As someone stated previously, the record stands. This might be vanilla, but the factors around there is no vanilla about.
So he dident beat joana. Layering did. Still first 60 in classic. Major gratz
Ya but he was so much shorter I’d argue he would of still beat it without layering, since layering has a cooldown
@@codytownsend3259 Impressive, yes. First on Classic, yes. But as for speedrunning it's a different category. It's common for speed run games to have multiple categories for how the game was beat, speed running in WoW has been the same with different patches and expansions. This won't, and shouldn't be any different. It's still a bad ass accomplishment.
He used layering from 58-60 only cuz he was getting sniped by horde players, so if people wanna label that as abusing layering then whatever
Not taking away from JokerD, absolute animal. But, he used layering which is Classic exclusive. I wouldn’t say he broke the original record, but SET the “Classic” record.
Abuse of layering is basically cheating. I don't personally consider that it should be valid.
Joker NEVER had his cam on during leveling and wasnt always talking. where as before and after level 60 he was doing a lot of both. and he doesnt look like a meth addict so he 1000000% wasnt the only one leveling that toon.