Will we ever see another high profile defection?
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- Опубликовано: 27 мар 2021
- In 1983 Raymond Franz did the unthinkable when he published a book exposing the inner workings of the Jehovah's Witness religion from his firsthand perspective as a former Governing Body member. 38 years later I ponder the question: will we ever see another high profile defection like his?
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I read Crisis of Conscience in 1992. I even wrote a letter to Ray Franz and he wrote me a very kind and understanding reply.
Vincent, I think that all of us would be interested in reading the letter that R. Franz wrote you. I regret not having read his book when he was still alive.
@@vintage6346 good point
Raymond Franz possessed that rare quality lacking in governing body members, total honesty. Thank you Raymond for that.
I doubt there will be another 'crisis of conscience' as such because that requires a conscience. But I'd love to see it!
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Exactly what I was thinking. Any member of the GB at this stage must be so morally corrupt that they wouldn't leave the organization out of a crisis of conscience.
Lett next mebby?
And besides, all the current GB members have no cognitive abilities
@@ButerWarrior44 and all they provide the sheep, is cognitive dissonance, making it easy to then call them mentally deseased.
Any wonder?! They make them just so, by design... and on purpose. If they dare question, anything, they risk becoming a real bad runaway slave... the criminally insane apostate, never to be spoken to again.
Can you just imagine Yeshuah acting like any of that!?! Not me.
I just want to thank the secret defectors who are saving lives. It can't be easy to take the risks of leaking info, and get no commendation from the people they are helping, so I say thank you, whoever you are.
Lloyd, your intelligence in how you present on your channel grows each year, thank you for the balance of humour, honesty and dignity.
Well said. Amazing people taking risks to show this society up for how it really is. Well done everyone
I was circuit overseer in Mexico; regular pionner for 15 years; Assamble Hall overseer for three years and congregation elder for ten years. I rejected JW organization when I began to see hipocrisy in all levels and when I started to study Hebrew and Greek and also the Bible deeply. I am NOT a JW since ten years ago. Kind regards.
Congratulations on your exit from this false organisation
@@dantoinettetaylor1663 Thank you! I understand much better the Bible.
Congratulations on breaking free!!
Happy to hear that. I'm sure your story influenced many people as well. I wonder how old you were 10 years ago and how many people followed you after you disassociated yourself
@@natalasagun1554 I never shared my experience in RUclips. Nobody knows my story.
I have a bethelite friend that says there are many PIMOs inside. Due to all the politics and backstabbing there, there are many bitter and disgruntled Bethelites. GOOD!!! The leaks will never stop!!!😀👍
Could you please explain what's PIMO? I genuinely don't know but now I'm curious about it
That's wonderful news.
@@piotreksiedlec physically in, mentally out
@@piotreksiedlec physically In Mentally Out
@@piotreksiedlec is that you're still physically in the organization but that you are mentally out of the organization. Many people have their reasons such as they don't want to give up their families, so they continue to go through the motions even though they don't believe it anymore. Some maybe working on a plan to leave but have to be careful not to let anybody know that. There's lots of other reasons too but that's what it means physically in mentally out. I'm sure given that this comment was from a year ago that you probably do know that by now but I thought just in case I would try to tell you since no one answered your question.
I think Lloyd is the best thing to happen since Ray
Fully agree!
Roger that.
Ray Franz "Crisis of Conscience" Legend
I am ashamed ot admit this, but i dont’ know who he is
Ray was the original leader of the charge...the apostite charge! That one man changed the lives of so many people!!
He opened the eyes of so many honest,truth loving people! So wish he was alive today to see just what he started!
@@SamA-cw3be please go on Amazon purchase multiple copies of his book read and Expose the JW Watchtower Corporation Blood Guilty LIARS Hypocrites
@@b1crusade384 , Franz perhaps was the original Reluctant Apostate.
I've often wondered if a Governing Body member would leave the organisation with much inside information to reveal. I hope defection is not limited to once-in-an-overlapping generation
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I see what you did there
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Haha. well put!
It’s been a slow leak for a while. They’ve learn to thwart environmental settings (e.g. home book studies) which provided opportunities to questions and discuss. At the same time the rank-and-file learned how to be covert as the Internet became a home staple.
Personally, I would love to see a mass exit of people from the organization.
I would too. Unfortunately, the exoduses (exodusi ?) we see currently are just a dozen or so elderly/very elderly bethelites that have gotten too expensive to care for. They’re too old too brainwashed to become apostates.
That exodus is the destruction of all religions, so that Israel and Judah whom are scattered and enslaved have no religious web to cling to.
@@BadViking1 Really well done. It's not easy.
I wish Raymond was a governing body member today thinking of leaving and writing his books, the mind boggles at what corruption would be exposed. He was probably one of the few honest, humble, knowledgeable empathetic men involved in the JW org.
Yes, and with the internet he would have been able to reach a vastly larger audience.
Dennis my ex when he was at bethel knew him. Raymond Franz is a wonderful example of a Christian man
And the fact that a man like that couldn’t in good conscience remain in the organisation speaks volumes
I think an audio book of crisis of conscience narrated by Lloyd would be amazing
Making an audiobook of crisis of conscience would be extremely difficult with all the letters and documents that are in the book. I do think there should be an audiobook of Lloyd's The reluctant apostate.
I agree. Audiobooks are how I get a lot of content covered. I am a person who will not take the time to sit an read a book, but would love to listen to it while doing other things.
It would certainly help many more JWs to leave. With how busy the org keeps them, they need access to information in many more formats that gives them the same information in a shorter amount of time or in other areas of lifestyle. An example is if you pioneer or you have kids, maybe a job where you work long hours. Imagine being able to listen to these things on their way to the hall or in field service lol.
I'd pay good money to listen to that for sure!
There is a digitally read version of the book here on RUclips. Just finished it and that’s why I’m here.
I imagine Lloyd live streaming for days with the ex-governing body.
Oh that sounds so good lol
@@pillowgatesurvivor8276 A few minutes, but what a story
Tinny morris in the bunker 😆😆😆😆
@@saulinvictus9274 Lloyd can lure him with a single malt, drinking scotch, talking about GB, like old pals.
Lloyd does a live stream with Tony. Tony asks if he is allowed to drink on this channel? Lloyd says fine, so Tony gets progressively more drunk as the conversation goes on.
Why would anyone willingly walk away from from being treated like almighty God, easy living and cushy comfort? Unless, unless one is filled with integrity and honesty like Ray Franz, so I guess ... no.
It's not about walking out, I think, it's about getting kicked out. There's a lot of rules in Bethel that are hard not to break.
@@cardboardbox9977 I hear you.
Maybe...
If they banned alcohol, I could see Anthony Morris leaving...
They'll never ban alcohol and they will never admit they have been wrong about so many things. They can't now. They have to keep with the lies.
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If they ban pillows
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I think we should create a Raymond Franz Foundation. Don't know how but this man deserves it. WTS will implode very soon.
I'm not an ex- or current JW, but a foundation dedicated to being a sort-of safety net for defectors? An organization offering help in whichever way defectors might need, so their transition period into the rest of society is easier for them? Maybe possibly arranging for therapy regarding religious abuse if needed?
I'm an exjw atheist from 🇬🇪😁 and I just wanted to let every apostate from any religion that ure not alone, they're are millions of people like you , you only feel alone Couse you haven't met them yet ;)
@@mollymalone2838 oh well im here 😏
@@skepticalmel1831 I'm here too!
@@theresaakins2317 hehe
It’s always fascinating to hear your take on things Lloyd. I sort of slipped away from the organisation back in 1977. My parents remained in it. I remained sort of sympathetic to it, but in 2001 I read Crisis of Conscience, and that was the deal breaker! I was astonished to learn how they’d predicted Armageddon in 1914 and 1925 as well as 1975, and all this rubbish about the faithful ‘men of old’ being resurrected and living in a mansion in California 🤣🤣
I lived through 1975 as a 3rd generation JW. It was one of many reasons I never believed.
@@justme-on7bn Si chiamava Ben Sharjn Casa dei Principi ,altra falsa testimonianza di profezia .
Mansion wasnt in California it was outside of philadelphia and it is still there today
@@the1zar the mansion, Beth Serim is in San Diego California. As you rightly say, it’s still there
Thank you to everyone who currently works to bring down this cult, slowly but surely, from the inside. The amount of sacrifice that it takes will never go unappreciated.
Well said, thank you to everyone
They are leaving with all the money and taking new identities.
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@@Caracaraorangeberry Lloyd should do a video about that !
I'd be willing to pitch in for private investigators to see if that's true 🤔
Chics Rule - How did you learn about this? Is it verified as fact? Or is this just speculation? Please give me a reference so I can verify the money squirrelled away theory. Thank you. 👍🙏❤️😊
GB members probably sign confidentiality agreements, its a business.
I don't see any of the Big 8 defecting, but I can imagine one of the helpers or one of their assistants getting caught leaking damaging information. I can't wait to hear Lloyd's take on this.
I doubt it. Mass suicide is very rare, we generally only hear about the cults where it happens. There are probably 10s of 1000s of high control groups out there that we never hear of because they aren't marching towards suicide.
On more important note. Groups that engage in mass suicide have a belief that they will end up somewhere else; heaven, with aliens, etc. JW don't hold that belief. Why kill yourself and leave this world if this is where you are supposed to end up.
Finally because this is a sect, run by committee, as opposed to a cult, which is headed up by one charismatic individual, it would actually be rather difficult to initiate a mass suicide, too many layers of bureaucracy.
@@BadViking1 Gosh, I hope not.
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What?! You’re STILL a jw?
@@BadViking1 So... You're PIMO?
Imagine Tony Morris having a Crisis Of Whiskey
Lmfao 🤣
He gives up his position on the GB to work at Bottle King
They will have to hide him away at least soon - as his dementia progresses - his rantings will become even less intelligible.
He would be a hilarious Apostate. I imagine him losing weight, growing a beard, growing a little ponytail and swearing up a storm. Basically be like George Carlin.
@@alans.wendelschafer6588 I sometimes think he is holding back a few swear words. I would love to hear from anyone who he served in the armed forces with. I bet he was considered weird back then.
I imagine with as litigious as the organization has gotten that they must have N.D.A.s and non compete contracts with the governing body helpers and other high ups that would restrict their ability to speak out.
That's a very good point. NDA's are very common in business world nowadays and Watchtower would be stupid to not make people high up in the society sign one.
Maybe not a GB member...but one of their lawyers? If someone like Faruli can walk out then perhaps a person having to be the public face of hypocrisy for ccjw like a lawyer could get fed up with it and decide enough is enough. But that's just me, of course I actually still have a conscience though.
The only thing that makes that messy is attorney/client privilege. Airing dirty laundry could cost them their livelihood and possibly jail time.
Frankly I think wt attorneys ... would drastically have to lower the bar. Maybe.
They probably also had to sign a nondisclosure agreement too.
Yep, they would still need a conscience. Possible? Reminds me of the mafia.
No lawyer leaves a job. There were people in the dock at the Nuremberg Trials against the Nazi leadership with legal training, yet they hung on until 1945 instead of fleeing the sinking ship in 1944. Working for the JWs is very lucrative (just like working for Scientology) and these guys will only "leave" when the Society collapses.
I snuck into the zoom memorial last night and I was struck by how sad and unhappy the people looked. So there must be dissatisfaction at many levels. Additionally the congregation looked quite old. This particular group looked to be average age of well over 60. The speaker is an alleged child abuser. What a horrible existence for so many!
you have confirmed what was my observation. it was my first time I watched a Memorial and I mostly saw unhappy and some even scared faces. Feel so sorry for these poor sincere souls
A dear friend gifted me a copy of "Crisis of Conscience" after I'd left. It changed my life. Raymond Franz's refusal to give in to bitterness and anger, or give up his faith in a Higher Power. (I was very bitter and angry at the time). His kind, logical approach really helped my healing process.
Thrilling one to watch tomorrow! I guess high profile defections are possible. Likely factors are doctrinal crisis, financial impropriety, and GB tyranny.
I can hardly wait! 👍
I don't think that today's GB are intelligent enough. That's why everything is seriously dumbed down and the publications lack details.
They never ever had solid spiritual food, only milk and pablum... all along. Regurgitating the same old talks, verbatim, year in and year out. I know, i was the one taking notes, when what they do today, was highly forbidden. Such light, as what they shed, is sure to never blind anyone... nor will it ever truly enlighten any soul seeking it.
If there is, I hope YOU can interview him on your channel 🤞🏼We can only hope‼️
You, LE, are the new Ray Franz.
A fascinating question to speculate about. Perhaps the next defector will be the person who is tasked with watching Lloyd's channel :-))
Hellooo everybody from Tijuana, Mexico...
Great video Lloyd. We appreciate your hard work, the inside information you bring out, the updates, your honesty, your humility in presenting the info. God bless you and all that work together to help free others. You are doing God's work. Blessings to you and your family!
Let's welcome tonny morris in the bunker
Salud!
Hi, Lloyd. God bless you and your lovely family. We always welcome your expose and insights on the Watchtower. You are looking great and very healthy. Jehovah and Christ is on your side. Great video. God bless. Amador, Kingdom Christian from sunny Puerto Rico.
It's much more valuable for PIMOs to stay in as long their consciences allow them to. The confidential information they provide is and has been priceless in understanding both the organization's thoroughgoing hypocrisy, and the extraordinary lengths it is going through now to survive and to avoid responsibility for the monstrous treatment of its members, especially children.
Good question! Last time I took a good look at Herd talk he didn't look impressed anymore, neither did Ron Curzan. But I can see another high profile defection bcus the watchtower can't even see their own ship is in distress.
Suez canal?
I hope it's not Stephen Lett- I'm already sick of watching him
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Lol! Not a chance ole rubber face will defect. He has no conscience.
Stephen Lett is a malfunctioning bot....definitely a part of some deep state uncanny valley experiment. So it could turn against its human-hybrid GB cohorts like any good terminator.
Omg so true!
There are some die hards out here. I don't think seeing these men dragged out of Warwick on the 6 o' clock news by the FBI will shake some of these sheep's faith.
But yes I can see someone close to them like a helper who may not have much dirt on their hands, nothing being held over their heads saying the hell with this and defecting.
I suppose they would see that as a boost to their faith, if they were to see the Gb being persecuted in that way. It would only serve as evidence that the final part of the final day of the last days bla bla bla .....is truly here this time.
@@juliaabadi6812 That’s exactly what I was alluding to. They have been told in the publications over and over that persecution is a sign of them being in the truth. They would just dig their heels in further.
Raymond franz expressed how hurt his feelings were but that’s the key isn’t it he went his own way
Another good book is Thirty Years a Watchtower Slave. This was recommended by friends and family members who were concerned that I was joining a CULT. I listened to my Bible teacher who of course said it was apostate literature and should not be believed. I only read this book in 2020 after being in the organisation for 27 years
That was an excellent video Lloyd. Something really thought provoking. I agree entirely with you that there will never be another Raymond Franz defection. He was a good sincere person with a wonderful heart and who loved Jehovah and was in the position of the Governing Body because of that. These ones (Governing Body) we hear and see now - you see they are false. They are there because they like the power and status and that’s more important to them than any truths leaking out. You are doing brave and amazing work for anyone having doubts to visit your website.
Ohhh Lloyd! You should present this tomorrow after Sunset...now I have to go to ..:/
'Crisis of Conscience'📖 !Awesome! Thank you Raymond Franz for helping me and millions of people get out of this false and Oppressive religion. Love you Ray, and miss you. Thank you so much. 👼
I was laughing at the thought that at the JW headquarters there must be a small team assigned to watch every new RUclips video of Lloyd Evans, and doing so they see Mr. Evans knock one ball out of the park after another. Plus, each item presented is meticulously backed up with original documents.
Lloyd&Tony in the bunker
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Bloody well hope so. Do you know something we don't know!!! 🤣🤣
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Yes, Ray was the real deal. The rest are narcissists enjoying their positions in the Org. Excellent video.
Franz was a kind and loving man! Fantastic video Lloyd! Thank you so much! ❤
Unfortunately no matter the controversy I think that most members will “believe” the organisation is gods organisation.
Just speaking to my mother in law who seems to be be someone that is following blindly and can’t “make the truth her own”, she disagrees with how they manage the child abuse issue.
She used the word disagrees, that so much implication behind it, as far as I’m concerned JWs compartmentalise far to easily, and the majority will fail to wake up.
Ray Franz's 2nd book "In Search of Christian Freedom" is much more spiritual and had me in tears, bringing me ever more closer to God and Christ. I admire him and believe he was 'full of grace' and died way too soon.
@san dy.
Can You Hear it ?
Our Lord Jesus 🙌 , saying to him (Bro. Ray Franz) : "Well Done
Faithful Servant" !! 🤗. "Come into My Rest" ! 😉
@san dy.
Can You Hear it ?
Our Lord Jesus 🙌 , saying to him (Bro. Ray Franz) : "Well Done
Faithful Servant" !! 🤗. "Come into My Rest" ! 😉
I’m trying to get my hands in this book. I can’t find it!
If Tony Morris defected, would you invite him for an interview, Lloyd? You would laugh a lot about tight pants, that prank you did, the bottlegate and more. This would be fantastic. But it is almost impossible.
Never say NEVER
@@dantoinettetaylor1663 agreed, but there's the sunk cost variable for them. They're old men, what can they do without WT's help? Well, Ray Franz had bad times after his defection. How can TM buy his expensive scotch? It's preferable for them to strengthen their faith by helping each other instead of leaving.
I don't think Loyd would be laughing with that abusive narcissist, even if he left.
And now two years later, he was kicked out
Hi Lloyd. Very interesting discussion. Maybe it could be another person from the Research Dept (like Barbara Anderson), who defects. We agree with you, that as time rolls on, surely there will be more who will be asking serious questions & defecting, some quite high profile ones. We shall wait with "baited breath"!! Regards Mike and Tava'e, from Christchurch, New Zealand.
I bought the book when it first came out in 1983, but somehow stayed with the JW's, even though I was in and out for years. Never disfellowshipped but faded and went back, faded and went back because I always thought I was leaving 'Jehovah' if I left Watchtower. I was brainwashed into believing it was 'Jehovah's organization'.
You might see something like what happened a few years ago with a top medical executive at an American health insurance company that could no longer rationalize the damage they were doing and went to congress and basically showed how the entire industry was closer to a mafia organization than a health provider. All that mental gymnastics takes a toll. I also am curious if they start doing a Scientology thing and basically imprison everyone in Bethel.
Thank you Lloyd Evans and so many activists who are actually taking up where Ray Franz left off. ALL of you are so instrumental in exposing this organization and helping so many to understand what is really going gone behind the scenes of jw.org. So many are now just able to walk away and realize this is not the TRUTH, just a manmade flawed org. Those within the org that are forwarding org. info are true Heroes- they have much at stake if they have family in or have a business or job that depends on staying in even if mentally totally out. As you stated in this video I too could see this org is not the same one I signed up for over 35 years ago- drastic and dangerous changes have occurred. All of you activists/apostates have been life savers for so many, my self included. Thank you!
Great video Lloyd. I think Shaeffer will be pulled into a meeting after your comments.
Maybe a GB helper, but I doubt it will be one of the 8, but never say never 😁👍
Yes, they like the power too much.
Raymond Franz was unique. There's no one like him. Those 8 men are lovers of money and power which is unlimitted like Rolf Furuli said. But let's hope. Maybe a miracle will happen and some helper or lawyer wake up 😉
Great Question, Great Answer.
No because after Ray Franz all gb are required to sign a NDA.
@Vida Pimo non disclosure agreement. I dont know if his comment is true, but it wouldn't surprise me
@Vida Pimo basically a sure sign your up to some shady shit.
Any evidence of this? Never heard of them signing a NDA. Not saying I’d be surprised but haven’t heard of it.
@@extremelylargeslug4438 CEOs and executives do it. why wouldnt WT out of all places?
I wonder if they can get out of the NDA (if such a thing exists) by calling it unconscionable?
Can't see it happening with any of the top 8. Look what they'd give up. I really think they feed off of this life on a pedestal. They'd also get completely shunned from everyone including their family, friends etc.
Watching Stephen Lett on JW Broadcasting is comedy gold.
That has to be the most pristine 1983 version of COC Ive ever seen, mine is falling apart and cost me £68!
There has never been and there never will be another like him.
Excellent video, thank you!
I had lost interest for the organization after some years of healing after I left. But you created in me a new kind of interest for the thing as an outsider/ex/observer. Lloyd you really know how to make an interesting topic even more interesting!
I now have a mental image of a Governing Body Helper showing up and ringing Lloyd's doorbell one day, "I want out." Then everyone just standing at the door staring at one another, dumbfounded.
To see Watchtower fall would be wonderful, but, it would cause an awful lot of suffering due to the emotional and psychological damage, for many years to come, especially for those who have been witnesses for many years. But, it needs to happen regardless of the cost. It would be an education, a benchmark for unacceptable religious teachings, an invaluable lesson for the world on how delusional cults can take hold, and waste entire liftimes, whilst ripping apart families, persuing falsehoods, false promises and blatant lies, driven by fear, emotional blackmail, bigotry and hatred of everything not JW, along with anything not sanctioned by the GB as acceptable.
Yeap they are trying to take the heat off of themselves, but Lloyd will expose their sorry butts. Can't wait to watch!
Be they sorry or not, I'm not in a hurry to watch their butts!
@@Duermeahora l didn't mean to watch the JW'S, but to watch Lloyd's new video. I've been out of the JW religion for a little over three years and have no intentions of ever going back. Not even for all the money in the world. No way! Never again.
I've been gone from this cult for 40 odd years. It is good to hear you still warnig people to stay away from this toxic world. Keep telling the "truth".
@lloyd - I agree with you 100000000000000000000000000000000000%. It should be noted though that this potential defector, can also at this time, be building resources and networks outside the cult. So that when they leave, they would not have things "hard" as Raymond did.
We are all high profile defectors, at least within the bubbles of our own lives. We lose family and friends, sometimes employment and housing, and suffer the stares and whispers of those we were associated with. Our stories, though not recorded in a book or blasted across social media, are just as heroic, just as heartbreaking, just as hard, and just as important as the A list apostates.
A cult? Yeah, I think so. I never personally experienced sexual abuse, nor am I aware of anyone who did. My last contact with "The Truth" was all pleasant, as I did not reveal I was raised in it to my knock-knock contact. My study buddy was a beautiful human being originally from Nigeria. We went over the latest book as of 2017, and I got to know him very well. Very interesting person and totally authentic; He believed and meant no harm. The local congregation was legit too. I can thank WBATS for my excellent reading, speaking, and social skills. It was a hard way to grow up, but it makes regular life too easy, that includes a stint in the military.
So glad you get these leaks, what would happen if they left?
It could happen.🤷🏻♀️
ANY organization that has documents that are secret, restricted to certain levels of membership, is rightfully suspect, as are their aims and motives.
Very insightful
I want to see Tony Morris Jr. defect and write a book with Lloyd. The book would talk about the Watchtower but it would also talk about good Scotch whiskeys. Then Tony would become a regular on Lloyd's videos and they would have clips of their vacations together on the Adriatic coast.
Obviously I'm trying to be funny. I do think though, that there may be a high level defector but it will probably be one of the governing body helpers, or other high level guys, who feels overlooked. Maybe someone similar who is disgusted with what he sees. I just can't see any of these governing body guys ever giving up their scam.
That would be awesome!
If u read all the comments, Folk are rooting for TonyM to defect. Stranger things have happened! Perhaps Lloyd is onto something...
Thread to say which year you read Crisis of Concience, it woke me up in 2017 :3 and ever since I've learned so much and made my way out of brain washing ❤️❤️❤️
First of all, I appreciate your efforts to shine light on the abusive practices and logically inconsistent aspects of the Jehovah's Witness organization. I do wish you had not thrown out the baby with the bath water by becoming an atheist. Raymond Franz was a believer in God until the very end even though he left the Jehovah's Witnesses. I to have experienced religious abuse although not close to the extent you have. I was never in and out and out cult, although one organization was aberrant in some ways compared to what most Christian churches believe. I would encourage you to read the gospel of John with an open mind as I think you will find that Jesus is not like the one taught to you by the JW"s. That said, I have been a student of cults for a very long time, and I find your channel very informative, thanks!
Maybe someone near the top slighted and/or turned down the next time there's a GB appointment, but yeah, nothing quite like Ray. I also agree w the snowball effect, as there's more family out than in, the "family held hostage" leverage will work against them.
Shunning.. the dirty way to hide the truth, with invisible blind folds tricked onto the sheeps eyes to keep on fleecing them
This is a very sound perspective. The current 8 couldn't hold a candle to the Integrity of Raymond Franz. Imagine being part of something that you can no longer walk away from for fear of the consequences of your involvement. As you pointed out Lloyd, the helpers in most cases could remove themselves and I'm sure it weighs on the minds of at least some of them.
I guess that’s why nothing was done about Tony Morris’ bottlegate; I can only imagine if he was disfelloshiped or at least reprimanded; he would not be happy but rather willing to spill the beans!
I was burned many more times by fellow witnesses than worldly people, but could do nothing about it because the elders say we can't take a brother to court. I had JW tennants (pionners) that skipped out over nite, had my signature foged on documents that cost me grave hardships and had thousands of dollars embezzled by an elder. Congregations are invitations for the wolves to feed on when the watchmen are all asleep.
ray opened me eyes, great book
Great points
The chances of a GB member waking up and leaving is extremely unlikely as per Lloyd's reasons. I think the chances of a GB helper or other high ranking member in the organization is high though and it's only a matter of time before someone does.
They probably make them sign non-disclosure agreements now. But, even if someone decided to go public with incriminating (to the borg) info there are whistleblower laws in many countries. So a high profile defection is entirely possible I'd never say never.
What's happening in New York with all 8 GB members being named in several child abuse court cases with Zalkin law firm ?? I can see a GB member getting out of the org before that happens
This was very interesting! Thanks. I have been a witness almost 50 years, pimo, from what I hear and detect (since COVID it’s more difficult due to zoom contact only) all of them are stronger in than ever. Even the older ones that know what once was being taught. We had one person announced that is no longer a witness. I would love to know why.
My thoughts are that Elders would wake up for taking the fall for the child sex abuse cover-up and other issues. So I think it will be from the ground upwards to the GB . I picture the GB bunking down with as much money and property to keep them in the lifestyle they desire.
That definitely could become the trend.
Just imagine the interview with ex-governing body member X. That would be bonkers.
I agree with your logic... but it's worth mentioning that - in the internet age - ANY higher-level defection will have a similar effect as RF's as it will become.known a damn sight quicker!
As long as the watchtower is still operating, there will be another defected governing body
My family has a close friend that’s one of the helpers. I know nothing from them of any juicy details or anything like that, but damn. I really hope they’re the leaker. It would be amazing to see them get out.