Inspection Followup How to make a cheap Indoor ATF Type 4 (IV) Storage Magazine Display Fireworks
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No more videos bud ? I’m really wanting to get started and seeing you start from scratch has motivated me not sure this will even be possible for me without prior firework experience but I’m learning more so great work hope to see a show video soon brotha!!!!
This video is awesome man. I’m in Indiana and I’ve been thinking about going through the process for a number of years now. Especially with the fourth being yesterday and seeing how simple you guys make the process sound. I think it’s time I put in the work.
Go for it and be safe!
thanks for the fast reply you cleared alot up for me. and great vid you did great would love to see a firework show you do.
Your welcome. I’ll post up this years video shortly.
Thanks for this video. it was very informative for someone like me looking to get my Type 54 license. SUBSCRIBED and will definitely check out your other videos.... Thanks again.
Very informative. Thanks
Thank you
Thanks Brother been wanting to do this going to look into it more and check your other videos out.
Your welcome!
@@m80vs.8 I’m trying store ammonium nitrate, and the area it’s gonna be around 95-103f . Do you think if I add a fan and ventilation , would it help make the box safer or is that not allowed
Sweet Good Info.
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Excellent video! Very informative. Thanks for the info. 2 questions. What did you end up doing about the holes in the bottom of box? And did the inspector notice them or say anything about them?
They are covered under the tuck bed coating. The inspector did not say anything about them. If there were concern it would be easy to weld a steel plate over these from the outside.
Excellent video. Extremely informative - do you have a link for the guidelines you followed for box and log requirements: Where is everything spelled out for you prior to applying?
Google the orange book. That is where all of the rules and guidelines are spelled out.
So I noticed the regulations say it must be fire resistant which usually means insulated metal so they had no problem with just straight-up metal as long as the inside is non-sparking?
Hey man I live in Michigan as well and I would love to talk to you about getting my type 54 and magazine
Have you recorded any shows yet?
Thanks for making these videos. Seeing these videos helped me a lot in my own research. Quick question about the sheet you show with the gross weights. A 3" shell shows a gross weight of 0.5 lbs with the ATF considering half that weight. Does that mean one 3" shell only counts as 0.25 lbs towards the 50 lb indoor storage limit? (Just want to be sure I'm understanding that right.) I'd love to see another video with your job box full to see how much fits in there and what the weight is at. Thanks again!
Yes you are correct. With a couple cakes and 3-6" shells the box was full at 50lbs.
Do u have a link to the spead sheet you use
So I'm curious Bout moving the container outside what is your weight limit then? I don't see a weight limit for type 4 outdoor magazines. Also when it come to 1.3 cake is it considered half of the gross weight of the cake also??
What is the thickness of the metal on the box? I am doing the exact same thing as you. Currently filling out my magazine info as we speak.
What size storage shed are you using outside? and what kind is the shed made out of?
Did your inspector say anything about flammable materials (gas, oil, etc.) and parking of motor vehicles or engines (lawn mowers, cars, weed eaters, etc.) in the building that contains the Type 4 magazine? I just watched a video on YT and the creator of the video said, in the comments, that no flammables or vehicles could be parked in the building, like a garage. I asked if that was a state law, as he said it as a blanket statement as if it was from the ATF. He hasn't responded, but I'm hoping to get clarification today before I unload and mount my box in shed versus garage. I can't find anything in my ATF book regarding flammables near INDOOR magazines, only outdoor (§555.215 Housekeeping.) Thanks for your videos, I bought the same RIDGID box yesterday and bought some spray-on truck bed liner. 👍
Here is the video I was referencing: ruclips.net/video/T78DEaSz3Yc/видео.html
You are looking good , I am glad you stood your ground on the distance requirement on the ATF Inspector. I'm curious what inspired you to do all of this? .
Thanks, I’ve always been interested in fireworks and do a yearly show. Started off making them, then decided to get my license to purchase as it takes a lot of time to make shells.
great instructional video, very clearly spoken. I just purchased a similar box today. my question is if I am using 1.3 class pyrotechnics for private or personal shows would I still have to get a state of Maine licence also? Dost the federal license cover that? Consumer fireworks are legal here and was wondering if you may know. thanks for the great video, mark.
Mark Thank you, i would suggest you get in contact with a local club and ask them this question as the laws vary alot by state.
Would u be willing to share copies of both log sheets don't have a way right now to design any
Glad it went well. Was you insp. from the GR office or DET?
Thank you! He was from Detroit.
Can it be a metal shed?
Can this be stored inside of an attached garage?
I know this video is long time ago but if u can help me lmk I’m also from MI
Can you buy 8 inch shells with type 54 license? I think they are now 1.1g and maybe require a new license?
CAN YOU DO A STEP BY STEP BEGINING TO END ON HOW TO START TO YOUR ATF LICENSE PLS THANK YOU
That would be great
That’s what I really want to see too.
Would you care to share the log sheets you made?
Where are you in michigan?
If I understand things, you applied for your license, modified the job box, the atf inspector came for your interview, and approved your magazine at the same time he did your interview, then your license was sent to you.....Approximately how long did the whole process take you from mailing off your application?
That is correct. Whole process took about 2-3 months but this is dependent on the time of year and inspector availability.
So do you function as a business or how do you get around that in the application process? It seems like the application assumes the applicant is running or starting a business. Also, did you set this up prior to submitting your application, or after? Is there anything you need to do prior to applying?
No i set this up as an individual representing myself. I set the magazine up before the in person inspection after i submitted the application.
You're located in WA state?
Is it possible to get a type 54 for personal use? Assuming I have the land to use them in and the storage req.
did you get the mag first or contingency storage? and do you have to keep it in a building with no windows?
I got the magazine first so I did not need contingency storage. You can have windows in the building that contains your indoor magazine.
with this type of indoor magazine can the building you use have power in it?
Yes if the power is explosion proof and properly done
Hello and thanks for sharing this great info!
I am at the beginning stages of applying for my type 54 license. I was searching around, trying to find a place that I could use for contingency storage and was not very successful.
Also, I was told by one pyro company that, even with the ATF type 54 license, you are still not able to transport 1.3 pyro, because its a DOT thing and not an ATF thing.
I would like to believe that the Federal ATF license, would supersede the DOT laws, or at least qualify you as a responsible person, who can legally transport 1.3 pyro. If you could clear this up for me, or point me in the right direction, I would greatly appreciate it!
Thanks in advance!
Hey Curtis, I've actually had this conversation very recently with the ATF during my last inspection. If you are not in the business for profit and not in commerce, then you do NOT need a CDL with a placarded vehicle to transport 1.3g fireworks. I had a relative who applied for a type 54 license and someone told him that crap as well. So if you are a backyard type of shooter and only doing it for the hobby, then you can legally transport them right in your car.
@@Technito20 Thank you very much!!
Hello again!
I have another question, and I'm probably thinking the answer is no... but I'll ask anyway. I live in a neighborhood with an HOA, so homes are everywhere around me, and unfortunately, I don't think that I would ever be able to have a storage magazine like this on my property or in my garage.. What if I have a friend with property? Do you think that I would be able to build a secure location on property that isn't mine, where only I would have access to it?
Just curious on your thoughts and thanks again!
Very good question. I'm in the same boat. I'm currently reading through the orange book for the answer...just from watching other videos, I believe you would have to present a contingency letter from a fireworks manufacturer, dealer, seller.
sry something i for got to ask do you do the weekly inspection of the mag or do aft come out and do it?
I do the weekly inspection on the magazine when there is shells in it. The atf can stop and perform an inspection at any time and check your logs for accuracy.
@@m80vs.8 makes me wanna just buy from plugs instead lol
Do u have to have a storage magazine before the ATF will approve you for the license or can you still be approved even without a storage magazine
I believe you already have to have an approved storage magazine before they will approve you. I'm currently trying to find the answer in the orange book.
Did he happen to show you anything from the orange book saying that the indoor magazines don’t need distances? Or was it just word of mouth?
No, he did not. He made a few calls to Washington and determined that there are no distance requirements on an indoor type 4. It is not explicitly wrote anywhere.
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Should u already have a magazine before you apply for the license
Not necessarily but you should have it by the time you have your in person interview and inspection and know what your magazine will be.
Thanks for the reply. I'm in Western NY and the more I read it seems hard to get one without any Shooting experience
If you get a license to make display fireworks can the ATF come search your house anytime they want? Because I know they can come to your house if you get a stamp to possess full auto guns and suppressors
That’s not true. NFA firearms are NOT a valid reason for ATF inspections unless you are a dealer, manufacturer, or importer FFL licensee. If you’re just someone buying them for yourself, there’s no inspection.
Source: I’m a retired Type 09 / Class III FFL/SOT.
Can’t speak for the explosives end of things. But in the firearms end, you’re good to go without inspections unless you go into business.
Does the rigid storage box have to be screwed to the floor with bolts while in the garage?
It needs to be secured so that it is not easily movable.
@@m80vs.8 thank you.
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Can that also be used as outdoor storage?
No. The requirements for a type 4 outdoor storage are different.
So theres no distance limit for indoor magazines ?
Nope. Look on sky lighters site for more information
No there is not
Just to clarify , as long as the storage is indoors , it doesn’t matter how far any building is outside of it ??
If the magazine (orange storage container) is indoors; like in a shed or an external garage that is physically not connected to your residence (home or dwelling), the distance doesn't matter. For example, you could have a shed 5 feet away from your house and be fine. Just as long as you don't have your magazine inside your house.
Fynn825 got it , thanks bro , looking to get my type 54 here in California 👍🏻
Jonny Blazee No problem. We’re on the same journey to getting our license. Unfortunately, being 19 I still have to wait 2 years... Here in Arizona you can’t buy anything Ariel related without making a trip to Pahrump Nevada. If you end up getting the license, keep me posted 😃 Best of luck!
Fynn825 thanks bro will do , those 2 years will go buy fast lol
Jonny Blazee let me know how it goes as well. This is something I literally dream about. Having 1.3g fireworks to my name would be amazing. Wish you the best of luck on getting yours!!
Hey I'm from the state of Michigan and I'm trying to fine an contingency storage to get my 1.3 license could we talk
Usually where you purchase your fireworks from will give you contingency storage. Contact wolverine in Kawkawlin and see if they do this.
Wolverine definitely does this. They will also help you with the ATF and State paperwork for a very small fee. Only requirement after that is that you buy some 1.3G product from them (no minimum).
I have a few questions..
Is the magazine storage of 1.3 fireworks mainly to stop theft? I understand the safety concerns regarding proper storage, but theft aside, is something like this safe to be stored inside a house? Or do you want it a distance away?
If something were to happen like a house fire would these blow the magazine to shreds or would it be slightly contained in the event of an explosion?
Thanks
I believe an indoor magazine cannot be stored in a place of residence or residing **i think**
@@zillamill thanks for the reply.
You can not store this magazine where you live.
Yes, I've heard from an experienced person (I think it was the PyroTalk guy) that magazine's main purpose is to prevent theft.
@@nickallen13 thank you
Do you know if the rules and regulations vary from state to state since it's a federal license?
The federal rules do not but some state rules are more strict
can you store class b in a large 40 foot meatal shiping container
If they meet the minimum storage requirements in the orange book then yes.
yes we have a magazine for the company that i work for and it is nothing more than a shipping container lined with thin plywood and locks... in a fence behind a wooded area
So who all has to approve it
The magazine needs to be approved by the atf agent that comes out to do the inspection.
How do you get him to come out what papers do you have to fill out how much does it cost paperwork side